Refinancing with bad credit
59Whatever you or I may think of the current disastrous state of the world’s economies – as far as I can tell, based almost entirely on monies borrowed against the increasing values of one’s real estate, there are currently an awful lot of people faced with the issue of refinancing with bad credit. Mostly these people were persuaded by their government and banking system to go badly into debt to buy an over-valued piece of real estate. This issue is by no means exclusive to the United States – although it is fair to say the housing bubble originated there, it since spread far and wide and created numerous other bubbles at the same time. Average property prices in the UK, despite having fallen around 20% since the peak are still in excess of £150,000, while average yearly incomes are still around £25,000, putting prices well above their historical average. The only thing preventing a complete collapse of the housing market is the ridiculously low interest rate of 0.5% - which cannot possible continue for much longer.
Real estate prices in the USA have now returned to 2003 levels, putting anyone who purchased a home after this time in an upside down mortgage, unless they had substantial equity in the property, which many do not. Current estimates on mortgage delinquency rates at between 6-9.5% with some areas seeing rates as high as 17%. And these are figures for mortgages at least 90 days behind; taking mortgage in some state of delinquency or actually in foreclosure the overall rate rises to 12% across the US. With the disappearance of the jumbo loans these rates will increase through 2009 and through 2010, adding more pressure to the already dire situation. Unemployment will almost certainly rise above 10% this year.
The amount of property now owned either directly or indirectly by the government must surely start to weigh heavily on the resources of Fannie and Freddie, but still the foreclosure rates continue rising and more and more local state authorities are being put under pressure by falling tax revenues.
The British Government Inc raised it’s borrowing yet again last month to an all-time high for the month of June of £13 billion – putting the country’s debt as a percentage of GDP at 56.6% - another all time high and the worst of the G20 nations. Unemployment continues to climb, house prices continue to slide, factory orders are down yet again and still the government continues to spend money as though they could print as much more as needed. Oh, wait a minute. The British banks have now been re-assessed and have been discovered to need untold billions more to shore up their balance sheets and Morgan Stanley reported yet another substantial quarterly loss for the second quarter of 2009 – a mere $1.2 billion, bringing their losses for the year up to $1.8 billion.
Clearly we are not out of the woods yet – despite the many newspaper
headlines to the contrary. It is hard to predict just exactly how long
interest rates (for the banks anyway) can be kept at these low levels.
As usual, these interest rates are not transferred on to the end users
and interest rates climbed to 5.31% this week. Still issues remain for
those wishing to refinance with poor credit and the disappearance of the 100% home equity loan
could actually be seen as a good thing if you take the wider picture
into account. The sooner we return to rational lending practices, the
sooner we will all know where we stand. The picture does, unfortunately
look bleak with mortgage rates for refinancing
likely to continue climbing as the crisis deepens. No one can predict
exactly where rates will end up, but it is fair to say that this crisis
is bigger than the late 70’s crisis, which saw interest rates in the UK
at 17% and in the US at 20% in 1981. The inevitable result of all this
“quantatative easing,” borrowing and government spending will be
runaway inflation causing extremely high interest rates.
None of which bodes well for those looking to refinance with bad credit. The banks are barely lending to those with good credit currently and the possibility of massive increases in the interest rate is putting off any sensible would-be borrowers from over-extending themselves. I clearly remember the day interest rates jumped to 17% back in 1979 – I remember it well because I was sitting on a substantial overdraft at 5% over base rate. Not to worry – the bank helped me out by threatening to take everything I owned unless I met the payments and sold my house to reduce the debt. Anyone who thinks interest rates are not going to reach similar levels in the near future needs their head examined. I personally would not refinance any loan at the moment unless it was at a fixed rate – and I would be prepared to pay over the odds to do so.
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So Mark Knowles is back on Hub Pages after more than what you call a couple of weeks with a nice informative and useful hub!
Refinancing is an important issue in recession.
Thank you Mark, for a great and helpful HUB. Although I'm still learning about home financing and home re-financing, I'm not a big fan of the latter, as people only put themselves into more long-term debt whenever they do. However, I do have a couple of questions:
Would you agree that it is now a Buyer's Market?
What advice would you give to a first time buyer?
Thanks in advance, Mark
As a homeowner this trend is getting scarier. I hope that it does end soon so I can reap the rewards of owning a home and eventually move into something bigger. Thanks for this informative hub. Finance is extremely interesting to me. WC
@NN - I agree.
@ UH - thanks, yes it is.
@ dohn121 - Not yet. Wait and arrange a fixed rate mortgage.
@ wesleycox - Expect another 2 years of this, then a return to normality. We need to get all the bad debts out of the system first. :(
Thanks for the wisdon Mark,
I had to laugh at first on you statement that "the Government and banks making you", then it wasn't funny after I thought about it and realized then profoundness of this. Just jack interest rates around. Why can't they leave enough alone and let the free market takeover. It will eventually do it anyway.
Keep on Hubbing!
"Mostly these people were persuaded by their government and banking system to go badly into debt to buy an over-valued piece of real estate." At the end of the day an individual is responsible for entering into a contract. If someone was aware that they falsified income data to get a larger loan they can't blame the fact that the system allowed them to engage in such behavior.
Guys - the word I used was "persuaded" - there is a big difference between that and "making" or "allowed".
The gov Inc, using the banking system "PERSUADED" everyone to do this - the reason was to escape the dot com bubble that was threatening the system then. The only way out of that was another, larger bubble. Which is where we are now. This was deliberate manipulation and persuasion.
@ yamanote - 1 in 8 US households are currently delinquent on their mortgage - these were not all "liar loans." I agree some degree of personal responsibility is called for, but there was a constant bombardment by the media to join the "American Dream" LOL
Thank you Mark, for your advice.
Mark, you nailed this. I mailed my keys back to the lender on my South Bend house two months ago. There are over 50 houses in that zip code alone (the city has at least a couple dozen zip codes) on the market now for under $20K and that doesn't even count all the repo houses going to sheriff's sale that don't get bid on at ALL. Comparables to my house were running between 10K and 15K. I have 38K left on the mortgage. When I bought it in 2005 it was the cheapest house in the city (two others were tied at $39,900). I put a new furnace in it, a new roof on it, fixed up the inside, redid the siding, and got not one person looking at it in two years. I give up.
I'm a not a bad person. I saved $100 a month off the crappy 500 sq ft apartment I was renting when I bought it, but I can't get rid of it now at any price, and I can't get a job. I'm so sick of hearing people tell me I was stupid for buying this house. (I don't mean you, but other people make these offhand comments all the time.) I still think I made a good decision and then everything that could go wrong did, and then some extra crap on top of that.
That city is a mess. Somebody should buy these up for cash and sell them or rent them back to people who need them like they did in the Depression. It's such a waste.
Hey Pam - You are not alone and I agree with you about buying them and renting them. The Government Inc is pretty keen to socialize the banking losses, but not quite so keen to socialize the "assets."
Strange that lol - and in Spain it is worse. :( The banks are now the largest property owners in the country, and are artificially keeping prices inflated by refusing to dump the property on the market at "market" prices.
Yeah I don't get it at all. When Big Coal moved into Appalachia the first thing they did was approach people with these funky 'mineral rights' mortgages. People took them out because it helped them pay their taxes and they were told they could stay on their land, they were only selling the right to mine the land in exchange for the mortgaged money. Of course the coal companies moved almost all of them off the land and put them to work in the mines.
It's hard to see what nefarious plan is behind all this with the banks. OK, the grab all the land, send us to concentration camps and then...what? Then what? If I could see the why of this I'd write about it but to me it just looks like butt-stupid raw greed, like there IS no other plan. They're making so much money doing what they are doing that they just don't care what happens to the property itself. Maybe I'm missing something. :)_
I am more of the opinion that this is an "organic" conspiracy, with a little pre-planning from the banking moguls.
The logical best situation for any capitalist society is a monopoly. Which is where we are headed. All the wealth - which includes the natural resources - will very shortly be in the hands of a small minority which will be controlling it through the governments.
Which is when we will see if George Orwell had it right or not. I did not expect to see this in my lifetime, but I may well be doing so.
That is plausible, in fact, we're practically there. Look at any major service provider--cable & internet, cell phones, banks, energy, health care (in the US)--there is no real competition and prices are insane, with no choice. Big box stores--pretend choice. They all have the same cheap crap nobody wants and are out of half of it. I fear you are right. We will probably live through a major moment historically. Can't say I'm looking forward to it.
I'm so overwhelmed by the whole situation that I really don't even know what to say. I look around and I can't possibly imagine things not getting worse. We have empty houses all over the place in my area, yet they keep building new ones, presumably to keep the construction workers out of the unemployment line. So what happens when they decide that isn't working and all of those guys start losing their jobs and houses? I personally feel like we're in one hell of a mess and I think things are set to get a lot worse before we see any sign of real recovery.
Just got a letter from Wells Fargo about the South Bend house. They don't want it back and don't want to foreclose either. I have an attorney. What a mess. They want me to do a loan mod but they say they house is only worth $13K and they want me to refi for more than the initial cost ($42K). I kind of expected this. Oh well. That's what attorneys are for. They can all fight over my who gets my pencils or whatever. Seriously I've got nothing for them to attach so they can have at it. Assholes.
@ pam -Offer to take a brand new loan out for $13 k and get them to write off the old one. Sooner or later this will become a better option for them than foreclosing on the thousands of homes they are going to have to.
@ wingrider - yes it is going to get worse.

















Nancy's Niche says:
5 months ago
I always advise anyone signing a contract for new, resale or refinancing to go strictly "FIXED" rate. To do anything else would be committing financial suicide!