Water As Fuel For Gasoline Powered Cars?
67Hydrogen Booster
Running cars on water
Have you heard about cars that can actually run on water? Do you really think it's possible?
Interesting questions I'll try to answer.
As an engineer I'm interested in clean energy and environmental issues as I want a better and safer planet for my children.
We can easily destroy our own habitat if we do not start doing things differently. One of those things is about those habits that contribute to pollute our planet. Anyway, what we want to discuss here is the water as fuel topic as we started with such question. Let's keep going...
I started to make some research all over the internet to find all the relevant information available in order to have an informed opinion. I even bought some of the advertised products on how to convert your gasoline car to run on water.
From my findings I wrote some articles on this subject that I posted on my blog and submitted to some article directories after running some tests.
First I need to clarify that the so called Hydrogen Boosters (see the above photo) are actually small devices that you can build as a kit. This device are nothing but water cells where an electric current passes through a group of cells releasing oxygen and hydrogen in a mixture called "Hydroxy Gas". This gas in turn is lead into the combustion chamber where it is burned together with gasoline.
The hydroxy gas produced is just a small proportion of the total volume of gas burned in the combustion chambers, so under no circumstance will fully substitute the gasoline. Not at this moment, not with this technology. What this hydroxy gas does is to act as a Catalyst for the combustion of gasoline increasing its octane power and creating a cleaner and more complete combustion of the gases.
This only effect allows an increase in mileage obtained for every gallon of gasoline. Some people claim up to 40%. In my tests I never got an increase larger than 25%, but I'm not an expert mechanic and my device perhaps it's not the best built. Remember you have to make your own Hydroxy Booster. It is not difficult at all, but slight changes in construction can lead to considerable results in performance.
In conclusion, hydroxy boosters have created quite a buzz all over the internet and in my humble opinion, they work for 3 reasons:
1. They are cheap and easy to build.
2. They effectively and safely increase your mileage, let's say in a conservative 20%
3. Your engine runs cleaner and -very importantly- you help to reduce the gas pollution created by incomplete burning of gases.
You can check the articles below for more info on running your car on water.
You can also visit the page I especially created to Review The Top Performing Hydrogen Boosters that I could check. Check the Links Capsule.
Please leave your comments.
Trust me, water as fuel technology is here and it is a reality. Thanks God!
Recommended Links
- Review of Top Products Available To Convert a Car To Run on Water
Check this review of fully tested products to build and install a Hydroxy Booster the easy way - The Clean Energy Blog
More fuel efficiency alternatives and gas saving tips are discussed on this blog
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Thank you for your comment! Shadesbreath
I went through the post of your link. The article is long and little technical. I expected a mathematical explanation of the point. All of the "cannibalism" arguments can easily destroyed. This is not a philosophical issue, is a technical one.
The bottom line is either the system works or not. I don't think the author of the article (if it's not you) has tested the system.
Finally his strongest argument that car engines are built to run on gas not on hydrogen is completely true. But let me remark something:
1) The car does not run on hydrogen. Actually is not hydrogen pure what is burned, but a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen which is called "hydroxy gas"
2) The proportion of hydroxy gas in relation to the total volume gas burned is just so tiny. It will never create the foreseen problem of "metal brittleness" and all of the list of imagined consequences. To give you just an idea read below:
"The amount of oxyhydrogen needed to run an internal combustion engine is spectacular. Idling a small engine (e.g. 5hp) would require 500-1000 LPH (liters per hour), while idling a car engine would probably consume about 3000LPH of oxyhydrogen. Driving down the highway would probably consume 20000-30000 LPH of oxyhydrogen. The typical electrolyzer produce approximately 57LPH at 11A, which is not enough to idle even the smallest 4-stroke engine (at least 300-400LPH would be required to idle a small 1hp brush cutter 4-stroke). Hope this clarify the point.3) The effect of hydroxy gas is actually that of a catalyst to get a complete combustion of gasoline.
I agree with him that some product promoters exaggerate the benefits. When they say 50% gas saving. This is not true. Realistically speaking 25% is achievable. I could only get 20%, but I'm not an expert mechanic.
There is a lot to learn on this matter. If you are really interested on this matter I suggest you to join the Water Car Yahoo Group, where the real technical people gather to discuss with deep insight on this matter.
Sorry, I fully disagree with that "cannibalization" concept. Please study more the equations involved. if you are interested I can make you available some technical literature if you want to go deep in the matter and understand some basics of electricity.
Regards
Well said, Freddy16! I am in the process of making one for my car from the plans I got from www.mindstrain.com. What do you think of it? the plans are for free. Is it similar to those on sale at the websites? Thanks for your expert opinion.
Cheers!!
Thanks for that fine offer of teaching more about how this stuff works, but after 22 years in automotive, I figure I'm familiar enough for now. The point is, the gasoline burn that is being "optimized" by the hydroxy gas (browns gas, hydrogen... they all use different words depending whose selling one of these things), is still being created by burning the self same gas. To produce this gasoline "catalyst" you have to burn the very thing you are trying to optimize (gasoline), putting extra load on the engine and alternator, which then requires that more gasoline is burned (ableit with more catalyst, right?) which will then require more draw, will require more catalyst ad. nasea and ultimately there are dimminishing returns, all of which assume the high tech plastic bottles most of these guys use seal properly and are routed properly etc. In addition, even if the tiny amount of hydrogen/hydroxy/browns gas does work ideally like a catalyst, the temperature increase is NOT minimal and can nearly double the heat involved, which is not just taking place in the combustion chamber, but impacts the entire system from cooling to exhaust. Of course all of this has been completely covered a zillion times before on a zillion reputable automotive sites, so, I'll refrain from going over it all again.
The upside of a free market is that everyone is free to make money however they see fit. I wish you luck with your water for gas fortune, but I will warn less auto-familiar folk away at every turn, however, as after two decades in the automotive field watching customers get ripped off at absolutely every turn I just get this little ball of anger in me when I see another organized campaign of snake-oil razzle dazzle being perpetrated on them again. It may be that you genuinely believe what you say, and perhaps whoever taught you about it bamboozled you with fancy words, but the fact remains the same, if this kind of a system worked (and it's been being taught to junior highschoolers since the 1950s or longer) automotive manufacturers would have been installing these kits themselves.
Hi Shadesbreadth!
Nice conversation has been going on.
I respect your opinion very much as I can see is a quailified one. I was formerly in your position before I decided to test myself the booster. Perhaps your have a point that not serious reseach has been carried out on using the booster. What I can tell you is that thousands are being installed and there's a lot of experience already. Surely the feedback in the near future will be good enough to confirm or discard your concerns.
I have read a lot on this matter and I see there are political pressures against the hydrogen technology, and only independent research has been done. I myself have the complete plans to build a hydrogen engine which I'd like to know if it's feasible to build in the near future.
I think is fine there are people like you who express funded criticism because this helps in the end to come up with better solutions to our energy crisis.
I strongly believe in trying and developing alternative energy solutions bcause I'm pretty much concerned about our environment and makes me feel angry how oil-related companies take our hard earned money away.
Check out the Water Car Yahoo Group. This is a very active group and very interesting posts are done every minute.
Best Regards
At no point did I say "no serious research has been done" because that would be completely wrong. Tremendous effort, time and expense is being put into hydrogen based fuel systems and has been for many years by literally every auto manufacturer, not to mention pretty much every university with an engineering or automotive department around the globe. It is clear that you barely skimmed my reponse and went quickly to the MLM user manual for a reply. Platitudes like "I strongly believe in trying and devoloping alternative energy solutions" do not serve as evidence to support the purchase or use of these horrific car kits being spammed across the Internet.
I hold no enmity towards you, Freddy, but the program you have been sold is a sham.
Ok Shadesbreath!
You made clear your point. I just close these coversation by saying that my booster is running fine and I'm testing the improvements. If you think is wrong or stupid, that's your opinion and I respect it.
For me it does make sense and my car still runs fine.
Good luck
I've never used the hydroxy booster as yet,but I can recall driving on days when the humidity in the air was high and it definitely increased the performance of my engine,as opposed to days when the humidity in the air was low.I assume that the moisture in the air must have had some effect on my engines performance.By the way this was before we had fuel injection,My car had a carberator,and I would think that the fact that it had no oxygen sensors,that the performance could be affected by a change in the amount of oxygen that was present in the air at any particular time.I know for a fact that the more moisture that's present in the air ,the less oxygen there is in the same space .So there must be something about the moisture in the air that is affecting the performance of the engine.It may be steam produced as a result of the combustion process that is contributing to the engines performance.
if the heat produced through running an engine on a lean air gas mixture contributes to this effect and as a result of this process increases gas milage I say why not hookup the vacuum hose to a container of a ph neutral source of water vapor mist into the air intake manifold to increase your engine performance while saving gas in the process.
I do know that the newer fuel injected cars have an oxygen sensor that would send a signal to the injectors to increase the amount of fuel to compansate for the loss of available oxygen to the combustion chamber.But I understand that there is a way around that by using a device that fools the computer into thinking that the oxygen available is normal when it is not.
Shadesbreath says:
18 months ago
Nope. Horrible idea, you can't use an energy source to create an energy source that will boost the first energy source with it's own expenditure. If it worked like that it could self sustain. Read here for a good comparison to help understand what these programs try to perpetrate:
http://hubpages.com/_16j5pvff7gogj/hub/Water-to-Ga