Run Your Car on Water Scams HHO Generators, [HHO Dry Cell]
80The Dangers of Water4Gas Glass Design
Can I Run My Car on Water? And Other HHO Hydrogen Myths
When I first began writing HHO articles on Hupages.com, I wrote on HHO because of my personal experience with Hydrogen Generators. Believe me, I have heard all the tech guys who claim this process of extracting hydrogen from water and burning it as a fuel in automobiles was either a scam or it was not an affordable process. My own personal experience on this matter proves to me, they are wrong.
I am not writing this specific article to discuss whether or not this hydrogen on demand technology works, this article will focus on how certain Hubs are purposely misquoting the truth about HHO Hydrogen simply for the purpose of making money. The favorite quote of these misleading people is “Run Your Car on Water” this statement is totally misleading because it is meant to give the reader the impression that you can run your car totally on water, without the use of petroleum based fuel.
The statement, “Run Your Car on Water,” is nothing more than a play on the emotions of people. This statement forms a picture in the subconscious mind of a water hose being shoved in the gas tank and “putt putt” of you go……..
I just read two new Hubs today that are written by a new Hubber, he even makes statements about using water in the tank instead of petroleum! He then goes on to push water4gas, so he clearly understands that the statement about putting water in your gas tank is a bunch of bull meant to mislead.
First thing is, the hydrogen generator and all the accessories that go along with an hho generator, is not a $10.00 water hose, it’s more like $400.00 to $3,000.00, depending on what vehicle you install the unit on. I’ll tell you all again right now; those cheap water4gas units that are made out of glass jars are one of the most dangerous devices ever placed under the hood of a car. You doubt me? Ask any good Mechanic, one that isn’t selling those “glass jar hydrogen bombs.”
I’ve had those who make and push these water4gas glass designs tell me that I know these jars are perfectly safe! First of all, no sir, I don’t know that! Second thing sir, what happens if you’re in an accident and the jar cracks? What happens in an accident if the jar cracks and the engine is still running? It will be pumping hydrogen gas into the enclosed hood compartment, and when it ignites you got yourself a huge bomb. Then they will say that this hydrogen is not as explosive as petroleum. O.K., that’s great, but it still burns! And if it burns under the hood of a car, what then?
A second fact about cars running on water is this; no car runs on water! Now, there is a test car that runs on 100% hydrogen, but this car is not producing its’ own hydrogen from water. This car is not running on water, its’ running on hydrogen which has been produced by a $10,000.00 commercial hydrogen generator. There is no possible way for one of these hho generators for cars could possibly produce enough hydrogen to supply enough fuel to run a car on nothing but hydrogen.
In fact, if you attempted to run a modern combustion engine on nothing but hydrogen, you would blow up your engine. The reason being, petroleum fuel is also a lubricant for the internal parts of the engine. If you totally remove the petroleum lubricant, the engine will soon heat up and then blow up.
I have also learned that several of these Hubs are offering free plans for building hydrogen generators. I found that many of them were just a scam that will lead you to their website where there are no free plans at all, instead, you will either find the real hho plans for sale, or, you find hho plans that are so technically hard to understand, no one could ever use them. So it leaves the visitor with the option of buying one of their pre assembled hydrogen generators.
I have gotten some response when dealing with this problem. One Hub was forced to actually make real plans available. I would suggest that everyone report these Hubs that are doing this, as misleading and deceptive content.
Please feel free to comment on this Hub. I know I haven’t covered everything, so please add your two cents and maybe we can get something done about this problem.
I have added a list of quotes from Auto Engineers; hopefully they can help you understand that there are professional people who do support this technology. I understand that some of you have your own engineers and opinions, well, so do I.
So who is right about this hho technology? We both are. How can that be? As long as this technology works for you, and you are convinced it works, your opinion that it works, simply put, is your valid opinion.
For those who have the opinion that this technology does not work, your opinion has either been formed by what someone else has told you, or perhaps your personal experience with hho. If you are of the opinion that hho generators do not work, then that is your opinion, and to you, your opinion is right. And so it is, to you. But your opinion does not carry any more weight than the opinion of those who say this technology does work.
I personally know for a fact that this hho does work. I did no other modifications to my vehicle other than install my hho hydrogen generator. So I know for a fact that my on going savings is not do to any other modifications done to my vehicles engine, my savings, week after week, tank after tank of gas, is due entirely to the addition of hydrogen to my fuel.
*Don't attempt to install a hho generator at home unless you know what you're doing, or have someone who is qualified, do it for you.
HHO Improves Emmissions and Auto Performance
For those who argue that automotive engineers do not support the use of hho, you need to look at the real facts instead of trying to push a view you can not support. Following are extracts of statements made by The Society of Automotive Engineers. After reading these statements, ask yourself why it is we have people running around saying that engineers do not believe hho works!
All of the following are summaries of reports made by The Society of Automotive Engineers, Troy, MI.
Publication #2004-01-1270, March, 2004
Adding hydrogen to gasoline produces improvements in engine efficiency and emissions.
Publication #960603, February, 1996
Adding hydrogen to gasoline produces improvements in engine efficiency and emissions, due to accelerated combustion.
Publication #2004-01-0972, March, 2004
Adding hydrogen to gasoline results in lower emissions and a significant increase in engine efficiency.
Publication #2002-01-2196, July, 2002
Adding
hydrogen to gasoline increases the flame speed at all gasoline air/fuel
ratios, so engine operation at very lean mixtures is possible.
Publication #2005-01-0251, April, 2005
Adding hydrogen to gasoline can extend the lean limits of the air/fuel ratio.
Publication #2000-01-2206, June, 2000
Adding
hydrogen to gasoline can reduce exhaust emissions and increase
efficiency. A large reduction in nitrogen oxide emissions can be
achieved without a catalytic converter due to very lean operation under
certain conditions.
Publication #2003-32-0011, September, 2003
Adding hydrogen to gasoline resulted in improved engine.
Publication #740600, February, 1974
A compact onboard hydrogen generator has been developed for use with a hydrogen-enriched gasoline internal combustion engine.
Publication #830897, April, 1989
Adding
hydrogen to gasoline produces improvements in engine efficiency and
emissions due to accelerated flame speed and combustion rate.
Publication #2007-26-021, January, 2007
This
paper describes current and future gasoline combustion systems with
emphasis on efficiency improvement and emission reduction.
Publication #2004-01-1851, June, 2004
Adding hydrogen to gasoline reduced knock due to accelerated fuel burn and shortened combustion period.
Publication #810348, February, 1981
Adding hydrogen to gasoline showed a potential for very low pollutant emissions with increased energy efficiency.
Publication #740187, February, 1974
Adding hydrogen to gasoline resulted in significant efficiency improvements due to the extension of the lean operating limit.
Publication #2003-01-0630, March, 2003
Adding
hydrogen to gasoline extended the lean limit of engine operation,
resulting in greater efficiency and reduced emissions, both
hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides.
Publication #2005-01-0232, April, 2005
Adding hydrogen to gasoline produces lower emissions due to increased flame speed and resultant accelerated fuel burn.
water4gas mason jar rebuttal
The Internet is just filled with information, you never know what you'll find. Well, it has come to my attention that a pour misguided soul has twisted something I said on this Hub and he is trying to discredit my knowledge of HHO. Honestly, I am not sure what peoples problems are today, maybe it is a lack of common sense, or maybe their brains have been burned out from too many drugs, or it could be both.
The issue that arose was from my comment about the dangers of the water4gas mason jar design. I said that if the jar was to crack in an accident it could allow hydrogen to be released into the hood compartment and cause an explosion. My would be attacker somehow read something else into this. His comment was that I am ignorant concerning hho because if the jar busted the water would be lossed and no hydrogen would be produced.
I have to agree with this pour soul on that, but that is not what I said, I said if the jar were to crack gas would leak from the crack in the glass. I did not say if the jar busted. The person who alerted me to this said this other person is selling hho generators and loves the mason jar water4gas design.
So I conclude this little rebuttal with this, the water4gas mason jar design paved the way for where we are today but I have never liked the water4gas design and never will.
Scientist Daniel Norcera at MIT Supports HHO Hydrogen
Hydrogen Cars
- Composite nanomaterials show promise for solar hydrogen generationPhysOrg20 hours ago
(PhysOrg.com) -- A novel strategy for engineering semiconductor materials can boost the performance of water-splitting solar cells for hydrogen production, according to a new study by researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
- Around the SoundSouth Sound Business Examiner15 hours ago
Saint Martin's University will host Dr. E. Gerald Meyer, professor emeritus of chemistry at the University of Wyoming, at 7 p.m. today in Harned Hall Room 110 in Lacey for a presentation about "The Hydrogen Economy: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." For more information, contact Arwyn Smalley at asmalley@stmartin.edu. The Pacific Northwest Aerospace Alliance is ...
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For investors, natural gas has suffered from a Rodney Dangerfield syndrome.
The lubricity of gasoline
As you have all now read the comment from scottman, I thought my readers would be interested in a very detailed scientific study conducted on the lubrication properties of gasoline. This study was done as a comparison between diesel fuel and gasoline. The study clearly points out that though gasoline is not as great a lubricant as diesel, it does however lubricate the the engine and any engine part it has contact with. Go here; Gasoline
There is a valuable lesson to be learned from the comment given by scottman. You are not considered a professional if you do not continue to study. Most professionals are required to do a certain amount of continuing study or face losing their license. No one can possibly know it all, so we must continually study the work of other professionals in our field. If you do not do so, you may end up looking like a fool.
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Hello Brie,
Yes I have. I think it will be a flop unless they can come up with a way to have the air tank refilled as you drive. At this point, when the car runs out of air you have to park it and wait four hours for it to fill up again. An issue too, is that you will be paying for an electric air compressor to run for a solid four hours every time you refill. It has advantages but its' share of problems, hope they can work it out, wouldn't it be great, buzzing around on air?
Thanks for stopping by Brie, have a good day.
Good hub.
If the hydrogen from electrolysis worked the way these scams said, we would have perpetual machines. To think that you can put energy into it to make the hydrogen and oxygen to separate (being the same energy you get out of it recombinig in combustion) then run it through a 30% efficent engine, then get the power back throught the alternator, is rediculous. We have less than a 30% energy recovery.
What the scan actually does is add a resistor in parellel to the oxygen sensor. This leaning up the engine. This makes the car run more efficient, but it is dangerous because it can burn up the engine from being to lean.
Where this can be cost efficient is if the electicity for electrolysis was made by a wind generator or solar panel, then pupmped into a high pressure tank for the car.
As for compressed air system, they are so unefficient that they are cost prohibited to use. 95% of the energy goes into the heat of compression of the air, which makes compressed air, very very expensive. Then again, if could work, only if the electricity to run the air compressor was almost free.
I talked a little about this in my hub http://hubpages.com/hub/Future-Trends-in-Cars-Tech
Thanks,
Keep on Hubbing!
eovery, good to see you again. Hope all is well I think there is a misunderstanding between the trade off of energy used and energy produced. The hydrogen produced by an hho generator is not simply creating energy (hydrogen gas), the hydrogen is causing an increase of energy from the already present petroleum, causing a better petroleum burn, thus creating more energy. If we could not create a system that produced more energy than it took to create this energy, we would not have power plants at all. No company could afford to produce energy if it did not yield a profit. What I am trying to expose in this hub are those who try to give the impression that this hho will turn your car into a total water car, that's crazy. I agree about the danger you mentioned. People better know what they are doing before they play with fire, they may get burned....
I am also tired of these people who try to make others think that they will improve their mileage by up to 100%. That's rediculous, most will only see an improvement of around 20% and some will see 30%. I was just looking at a hub today that was telling people they could save up to 80% in fuel, what a joke. Of course they cover their rear by saying "Up To." But the fact is they use the 80% # all over the place, so this imprints on the mind of people and they really think they are going to increase their mileage by 80%.
Very informative & well-written Hub...Thanks for this important info...I know this is a very serious subject, but I thought I would throw a little levity in...
A teenage boy had just gotten his driver's license and inquired of his father if they could discuss his use of the car. His father said he'd make a deal with his son. "You bring your grades up from a C to a B average, study your Bible a little, and get your hair cut. Then we'll talk about the car." The boy thought about that for a moment, decided he'd settle for the offer, and they agreed on it. After about six weeks his father said, "Son, you've brought your grades up and I've observed that you have been studying your Bible, but I'm disappointed you haven't gotten your hair cut."The boy said, "You know, Dad, I've been thinking about that, and I've noticed in my studies of the Bible that Samson had long hair, John the Baptist had long hair, Moses had long hair ... and there's even strong evidence that Jesus had long hair."To this his father replied, "Did you also notice they all walked everywhere they went?"
Maven, thank you for that, it's funny and informative. The boy thought he had it all figured out didn't he? Somewhat like me and most everyone else :-)
great Hub...however, nowadays it is hard for me to trust research, publications, and industry expert claims when they are paid off by big wig automakers. that's just my feeling though.
ocbill, thanks for stopping by, and good morning to you.
I understand fully. That's why for me the bottom line is not what others tell me, it's what I have experienced for myself. I have often told others that I don't even care what Automotive Engineers have to say about this HHO stuff because my experience is enough for me.
Now, I do respect the opinion of these fancy book learning folks, but that doesn't mean they are right. That goes for the ones for this HHO and those against it. When it comes to the opinions of professionals, I have heard just as many say this works, as I have heard say it doesn't.
So there you have it, personal experience, wether supported by pros or not, is what matters.
ocbill, this kind of reminds me of what I tell the highly educated Bible folks who come to me spewing new doctrines out of their mouths, or old doctrines that can not be supported by the Word of God, I just tell them any more, "Don't you tell me, You show me."
ok this is madder than a box of frogs but i am off to buy upvc pipe, stainless light switch covers and will be nicking some stainless cutlery from the kitchen..........................watch this space
Thanks for stopping by motomallen,
Don't forget, if you have a fuel injected vehicle you'll also need to install an electronic fuel injection enhancer (EFIE). Many have installed an hho generator with no results because they didn't know about this issue.
I built my own and it worked for me, you get mixed results all over the Internet, all I can guarantee is it worked for me. If you need any help at all feel free to contact me motomallen.
Robert
Thanks Rob for information. Any possibility to have from you advice on assembling hho generator and EFIE? Would like to get in touch with you if any possibility to speak more about it.
Hello Gediminas,
Thank you for stopping by Water Cars. I believe you can find the answers you are looking for at the link I provided in the second paragraph of my article. If not, feel free to email me through hubpages and we can talk.
Robert
Without spurring an argument, you're dead wrong about one particular fact:
Petroleum does lubricate engine internals, but that's through the pressurized lubrication system that utilizes 'engine oil.' Gasoline is a petroleum distillate... it has none of the lubricating properties of petroleum. In fact, gasoline wicks out and evaporates oil residues inside an engine.
Some of your other comments regarding the construction of the different generators seem mostly opinion to me.
However, I am in agreement with you that HHO generators make a measurable improvement in gas mileage, and was also impressed with the documentation and video following the Hub.
Thanks
Sorry Scottsman but your totally wrong when you state that petroleum fuel is not also a type of lubricant. The mistake you made was that you took it for grantid that the article writer was saying that fuel has the same lubricating properties as oil, that is not what the writer said.
Quote; In fact, if you attempted to run a modern combustion engine on nothing but hydrogen, you would blow up your engine. The reason being, petroleum fuel is also a lubricant for the internal parts of the engine. If you totally remove the petroleum lubricant, the engine will soon heat up and then blow up.
He did not say fuel that fuel has the same properties as oil.
Hello Scottman,
I will not reply to the part of your comment that was answered by Mark above because he is right.
In response to your statement that my comments on the construction of these generators is simply an opinion, you couldn't be more wrong again. These methods are those used by any reliable hydrogen generator manufacturer. The generators I sell have been used by over 5000 people, and not one single complaint.
I'm just guessing here, but it appears to me from your comments that you may be attempting to cast a shadow on me because you probably sell hho generators and you can not get any traffic because my sites are all the first ones on the Internet that people searching for hho find. This is also the fact on hubpages.
My information is cutting edge, for someone to leave comments like you have, does tell me that you have no knowledge at all about these hydrogen generators. I am not trying to start an argument either, but you are so wrong that I am forced to respond to try and help you see how off base you are.
Robert
I added a link for you all that has an article about the lubricating properties of gasoline. You will find the link just above the beginning of the comments. Some may get confused and think they are talking about diesel, read closely and you will see that it is a comparison of the lubrication process of gas vs. diesel
free - very interesting article. I'm not well-versed in this area but I find this subject very important for people to know about - that there are options to what we have now. The main thing that bothers me about our current car designs is that you can't get at the engine. Yeah, they run well and have really fun bells and whistles, but I almost can't find where to put in an extra quart of oil for heaven's sake. Everything is sealed off so that only a master mechanic can work with it. When I look at older cars from the 60's, it's all right there and anyone could, and did work on them.
Still, it gives me an optimistic feeling to know people are exploring these things. Thanks for the interesting read :)
The lubricating properties of gasoline, I'm familiar with 2 stroke engines that require oil being added to the fuel. I wonder if CNG conversions require some auxiliary lubrication.
The EPA has tested 100 add-on devices going back to the 70s, you can access the reports: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm
I tested the HHO in my car and run it for a distance of 120 kilometer. without the HHO, the car consume 12 liters of gasoline, after I install the HHO generator, it only consume 8 liters for the same distance same location point to point. We tested it twice the the result is almost the same. On the second test drive, another drive drove my car, with the HHO, it uses 8.9 liters of gasoline, and without the HHO, it uses 12.5 liters when he drive it.
JakeAuto hello,
As far as I know the natural gas conversions do not require further lubrication. I would never convert to NG because studies show that NG reduces the cylinder pressure which would require more fuel use.
Robert
120 KM, the majority of people who properly install an hho dry cell or hydrogen generator, report what you have. Thanks for the comment.
Robert
born to be free -
Well, thanks a lot! There go my plans for future savings :)
Hey man, this article was excellent. Well researched and well written. Things are never as easy as they seem. I've been hearing about cars running on water for years but have never actually seen one or evidence that if one does exist, it's successful without fault. Now I know why.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hello jxb7076, always happy to assist in busting myths, thanks for reading,
Born To Be Free
I have a design for a HHO generator. The only part that will be plastic is the lid.
The lid will be turned on a lathe and will have a groove for a neoprene O-Ring.
The canister will be SS thinwall pipe,3"DIA and will be the negative electrode as the car is negative ground. The positive electrode will be 2.5" SS thinwall pipe.
This will stay cooler as metal dissipates heat faster. No plastic or glass for me except the lid! I use sodium hydroxide(lye) for my current experiment and the electrolyte stays clear. This is with SS Switch Plates.
Hello Jack, sounds like a good idea to me, let me know how the experiment turns out.
Bob
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Brie Hoffman says:
12 months ago
Have you heard of the Air Car they have in France?