A few observations after three months on Hubpages

      I have a few things to say about the way people are using this website. I shall be as brief as I can for these are just some observations, not much else. To begin with I want to say something about the point marking system which allows readers to mark up or down a person’s answer to a given question. Secondly I would like to bring attention to the way arguments/discussions take place and at last I want to say something about “research” and/or looking at issues from different perspectives.

      I suppose I have nothing against marking people answers with an up or down vote. It is a vague way of knowing how people view that answer although not very accurate because you are basically given the choice of saying “yes’ or ‘no” in the way you “vote”. Life is not always ‘black”” and “white’. What I really wanted to talk about though regarding this “voting” system, are the people who vote someone’s answer down without posting their own idea. This has happened several times to me now: I post the only answer to a question and I get votes down yet, nobody else posts an answer. Thus, in a logical deduction people read my answer, they disagree voting me down and then cowardly run off. If this is a place of posting questions, answers, debating issues … what is the bloody point in voting someone’s opinion down and not putting up your own view point? Either you cannot write and/or you just voted someone down for no reason. Otherwise it is the common understanding that if one disagrees with someone else, he/she has a reason for that disagreement and hence this is a site where beside other things people debate issues, one would tell his/her reasons for disagreeing.

      On a good note I must say I have had many fruitful discussions/arguments with many people on this site. I have laughed many times and can truly say that for the most part I enjoy the interaction. I think reasonable and logical arguments are encouraging and usefull. I am saddened though when I see people losing their reason and calm when sensitive issues are brought up such as abortion or socialism, Israel’s bullying of the Palestinians and so on. There is no point in flaming-up with anger.

      This is where I come to my last point about doing your “research”. Especially when dealing with complex issues be they global warming, health care or gun control: know your facts. Have information to support your arguments. There is no point debating an argument from hear-say, it will not be much of an argument. Research also does not mean listening to CNN or NBC; research is not what politicians think or the pastor said at the last sermon. Research means you look at scholarly work. Literature or research done by professionals regarding the subject you are researching (people who have studied that specific subject their entire life more or less). Keeping in mind that 'every page has two sides' the best way of doing research is in looking at several resources debating your topic at hand, perhaps contradictory opinions can be found to gain a better understanding of the whole issue.

      I have not been much on here lately manly due to those concerns I have stated above. These are just some observations after the three months I have been on. Perhaps they are premature but since I am not the “keep quiet” kind, I had to “say’ something. I appreciate any comments.

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2patricias 6 years ago from Sussex by the Sea

Many people put forward hasty, ill thought through, under researched arguements. I am not talking about Hub Pages, but life in general. Also, many people are not really able to put forward a coherent answer to a question, or articulate an alternate point of view. Therefore, they just say they don't like what you are saying.

Somedays this feels bad, other days I can shrug my shoulders and say 'that's life'.

However, there are some brilliant writers on Hub Pages who will make you laugh and make you think.

I hope that you will persist!


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lmmartin 6 years ago from Alberta and Florida

Hi Mr. Happy -- long time no see. Glad you're back. Speaking only for myself, I can honestly say if the hub is on an issue, I've researched it to the best of my ability. That's not to say I'm right about everything -- but at least I can back up my argument with fact. I think most of the writers I read do the same. A hub written for fun (and I do enjoy writing them) may very well be based on some snippet from CNN that set off a train of thought, or a conversation I've had. And I assume my readers know the difference.

Yes, there are loads of people here who run around without the knowledge to back up their views, particularly on political issues. There are many who adopt a personae, a point of view, and play up to it, not matter what. And we all know who they are.

As with anything, Mr. Happy, take the good with the bad. I for one enjoy your writing and presence on these pages, so don't let 'em chase you off. Concentrate on the good you find here and engage with them. Forget the rest.


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Artamia 6 years ago from GTA, Canada

Mr. Happy.

Please keep being HAPPY. Your writing is intelligently brilliant, its style and 'diplomatic' logic is superlative... I think you just have to ignore the 'down'-voters and 'live-on'... It's hard to 'please the crowd' -- specially if some hub-members are less educated and don't have a 'fine ear" for 'LETTERS' Musi/Art/...

Please stay HAPPY: we need Getle-men and intelligent writers like you...


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dabeaner 6 years ago from Nibiru

I think what you are looking for is on the forums. There you can get into a dialog.

The Q&A IS for "hit and run". You cannot dialog there, as you can post only one "answer" to a "question".

I don't think that anyone "voting" an answer up or down has an obligation to say why. I vote lots of answers up or down, depending on whether I think a point made was good, or whether I think the answerer is an idiot (e.g., religious wackos). Sometimes, as I have time, I will submit answers or questions, but I don't think I have an obligation to do so.

I think one reason for the Q&A is that if someone really gets a bug up their ass about a question and/or associated answers, they will be motivated to do a Hub.

Whether they are well researched is something else again.

Best regards,

dabeaner, a fan


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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

I take the points you raise and agree with them, up to a point. I think the purpose of HubPages is not so much scholarly debate, which I also value and enjoy, but the joy and fun of writing. Most Hubs I write I do put in quite a lot of research, reading papers and books that mean something to me. I too get very irritated with some of the hot air that is blown about, but at the same time I'm inspired by some of the really great writers here.

I love the comments I get on my Hubs, some of them are quite negative and that's the prerogative of the commenter. I also find that many people comment without really understanding the issues in teh Hub and that can be quite annoying. But that's life.

What I do find strange, but again it's their right, is people who write here without any perceivable purpose or point. But I guess if they want to waste their time like that that's their right, I just won't go back to their Hubs.

Meanwhile I like your writing and your comments so would like you to carry on making a worthwhile contribution here.

Love and peace

Tony


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GPAGE 6 years ago from California

Mr. Happy...I have not had this experience, but I guess I have not paid attention to whether people were voting my answers "up or down." Hubpages is the right place for your to express your creativity and also for you to express yourself over something you do not like. My closest friend who happens to live in Toronto and is on HP was very upset at a comment someone made on one of her hubs so she wrote another hub to "make her point" and let others know that she did not appreciate it. I have not read many of your hubs, but will look into them soon. Best, GPAGE


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myownworld 6 years ago from uk

great hub...and some very good points raised. Hubpages is just like a 'mini' version of the real world: you have so many different kinds of mind sets and opinions, except unlike real life, here u are thrown together in the same room and everyone has the right to talk at the same time! My take on it: never to take too seriously anything that goes here and to walk away from unnecessary arguments instead of trying to get too involved in them. anyway, stay 'happy'....and keep writing....!


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silver lining 5 6 years ago from Southwest

You sound like a nice man and I would hate to know that we lost a good man. There will always be those who take our sensibilities lightly and attempt to discourage our efforts. I like your hubs and thank you for your comment. I appreciate it like you will never know. :-}


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Rebecca E. 6 years ago from Canada

welcome back, again I've enjoyed you and your hubs, always well reaserched and thought out. A valued addition to hubpages.


Eleln 6 years ago

I've enjoyed your hubs as you know! ARTAMIA said it best above - this hub should clearly get your point out to those who have inspired you to write it. Stay happy, keep em coming!


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adamareangere 6 years ago from MA

Here Here on all points!


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Foxxfire 6 years ago from Pennsylvania

Hi Happy! I'm so glad that you're not the "keep quiet" type. You make a very valid point about the voting system. In my opinion, and we all know how those work; if someone is going to take the time to read a hub and then vote (whether it be up or down) I feel that it's common courtesy to explain why you voted in that manner.

I have enjoyed my time reading your hubs. Please, I beg you not to give up.


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christinecook 6 years ago

Hi, Mr Happy

I would miss you too if you left. I do enjoy reading your hubs. I must say I am no scholar. I have no great literary skills.I do not always agree with others opinions or thoughts. Yet I still enjoy reading them and commenting. This place is also a place for me to challenge myself,and grow personally.


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Everyone leaving comments on this blog has been too nice ... I'm getting spoiled, thank you all so much.


ColdWarBaby 6 years ago

This is the first of your pieces I have read. A comment you made on another hub, with which I agree unequivocally, regarding the federal reserve, piqued my interest.

Having been here for over a year, I can tell you that you will encounter a lot of ignorance. Some of the best writers that were here have left, disgusted with the proliferation of trolls and ideologues who DO think that what Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh says is all the research they need.

I have not given up on the site yet but probably will soon. There are, however, some very erudite, thoughtful and even inspirational writers still to be found here.

So, having been impressed by what you've had to say here, I'll have to go and take a look at the rest of your work.


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Thank you very much ColdWarBaby. Please do not give up on this site or on writing for that matter ... we cannot let the like of Glen Beck have it all. Cheers!


ColdWarBaby 6 years ago

No intention of giving up writing Mr.H. I'd simply be packing up my bags here and moving to a healthier location. A few of us have started our own endeavor tailored for those who have come to the conclusion that the status quo has got to go. We want a place where like minded people can talk, offer solutions and hopefully work toward making changes without the constant harassment of trolls. Since it's our site, we can make sure that happens. Pay us a visit if you like. http://dropoutnation.blogspot.com/


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michiganman567 6 years ago from Michigan

I guess that maybe you can share 6 months of Hubpages wisdom with me now? I just see it like this. Half the people are going to disagree with you. I already know that I disagree with you. But, I am not going to change you, and you are not going to change me. Maybe on something small if solid facts showed one of us that we did not understand the issue. But, on the big issues we already have our minds made up. Don't let the thumbs down bother you, it is basically just letting you know how many of each side are around. Sometimes a whole bunch of thumbs down means that you defended your position really well.


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Green Lotus 6 years ago from Atlanta, GA

I enjoyed reading your Hub and although I don't have your concerns I understand your feelings. I've found that when it comes to Hub comments (and it is expressed so well in this entire thread of comments), Hubpages offers writers the best venue for intelligent discussion. It's not perfect and there are some strange Hubbers out there, but on the whole this is the place to express yourself and safely share your opinions. Nice to meet you BTW!


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DavePrice 5 years ago from Sugar Grove, Ill

Is it that you don't like the comments, the fact that people can vote anonymously, or are you just not happy that people disagree with you?


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Mr. Dave, I thought it useful that if people are going to vote down other people's answers they should at least give a reason of their own. So my opinion was that people should actually make a comment of their own, not just vote other people down.


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Terry.Hirneisen 5 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

I vote this up and now I realize I can see how many down votes I have. But one could sabotage a hubber by getting their people to vote down.


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

For someone who has deleted the word "NO" from his vocabulary in order to eliminate negativity you sure see a lot of it!


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Mr. Spirit Wanderer, what does me eliminating the word "no" from my vocabulary have to do with the fact that there is a lot of negativity around and I see it?


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

If you can see then what does that say about you?


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

In answer to your question, in one of your hubs titled "On Negativity, Old Habits and Unicorns" you say you decided to stop using the word "no" that is where I got that from.

Both the positive and the negative are creations of the mind and do not exist in the external world but within ourselves. That is the illusion and we make judgements based on what we imagine we see outside of ourselves.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Mr. Spirit Whisperer, if I see for example, someone being violent on the street towards someone else ... what does that have to do with me - is it really just in my mind? AM I at fault for seeing that?

Thanks for stopping by again.


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

Where else can it be but in your mind? But to understand what I mean you must first understand the mechanism of seeing. The nerves in the back of the eye convert the reflected light to electrical impulses and the brain uses these electrical impulses to create the image you imagine you see outside when in fact you are seeing it in a very dark space in the back of your brain where there is no light. We are conditioned from birth to accept this as reality and few question it. The illusion is so powerful that to question it is to be viewed as mad. People like Jesus tried to explain and see what happened to him!

You are now asking the right questions and I like that.

BTW the only fault is in perception and we cannot criticise someone for being fooled by an illusion most people have been fooled by for generations. The Course in Miracles seeks to help us correct perception though exercises that create a shift in thinking.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

So, I am responsible for the actions of others? (As in responsible for creating the illusions I am seeing thus, the violence in this world for example?) Are you responsible for my actions (be they negative or positive - meaningless or not as you see them)?

I suppose I will have to read your blogs starting with number one as supposed to jumping in the middle of things as I did. No time for now though, I going on the road for the next week or two.


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Melis Ann 4 years ago from Mom On A Health Hunt

I like your point Mr. Happy... I found your hub searching for a baseline for how I'm progressing after 8 weeks on HubPages. I've only published 11 hubs in those 8 weeks because it takes me a very long time to research my topic. I'm eager to write about a list of topics, but I haven't been able to progress as far as I've wanted to because I'm spending so much time reading literature and finding sources to back up my opinions and recommendations (I write mainly about health, nutrition and environmental issues). My opinion means nothing if the reader doesn't feel confident in the source of the information. They also can't act on a change if I don't provide the resources. Reading your hub helps me feel justified in my slow to produce hubs, as they really have good quality content in the end. Thanks for making this point! Voted up.


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Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Greetings Mrs. Melis Ann,

thank You for doing research before writing. I think it is very important, especially since You said You are writing on topics about health and nutrition.

Volume doesn't mean quality, in my opinion. Better to do less things in life and do them good than do lots of things badly ... that's just my opinion.

Thank You very much for taking the time to read and comment.All the best!

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