Aspiring Writers or Authors Be Aware of American Book Publishing II

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BEWARE OF American Book Publishing (ABP)


Recently, with regard to an earlier Hub I had written – the scammer I warned about in the Hub “Aspiring Authors Be Aware of American Book Publishing” has given me cause to write an update.

Due to that one Hub I wrote, I’m very grateful to say that I received some private emails indicating authors – for example - read the Hub who were now going to discontinue any contact with ABP. It has been very comforting to know that this Hub has helped others avoid the nightmare experience I went though. The comments on the Hub have been greatly encouraging as well. I'm so happy I can be of some kind of help.

However, apparently it isn’t so comforting for C. Lee Nunn a.k.a. Nathan and only God knows what other name she’s using these days – as publisher of American Book Publishing. C. Lee Nunn - I’m guessing it was her, she didn’t identify herself by her real name -- wrote a legal sounding, threatening letter to the Hubpages team, demanding they take down my Hub. Contained in the letter was much legalese – and totally false accusations that my Hub was defamatory, filled with lies -- yadda, yadda.

I would swear in court it has to be her because I kept every single correspondence with Nunn and this letter sounded precisely like the same letters she not only wrote to me, but she wrote to my lawyer.

The Hubpages team sent me the content of the letter and gave me 48 hours to defend my Hub and myself much to their credit.

What I was interested to see was that the letter also contained charges that I violated Hubpages terms of use – included in the letter was supposedly the wording from the Hubpages agreement, backing APB’s charge that the Hub needed to come down.

I presented my argument to the Hubteam and I believe one very compelling argument I gave was the fact – that Hub wasn’t the first time that I had publicly called ABP out about being a con perpetrated on authors and even others in the business who sought employment with them. I cited my MySpace page which was the first, and other articles/blogs I’d written providing the links. Plus, I gave them the link to Preditors and Editors (an excellent resource for authors and those seeking to become published), telling the Hubpages team that if they contacted them, they could verify the fact I have gone public prior to Hubpages regarding my experience with C. Lee Nunn and ABP. And there was evidence that Nunn knew it.

Added to that, I gave my lawyer’s complete information, telling Hubpages to contact my lawyer to verify the fact that in complete contrast to the false charges ABP/Nunn was making against me, I signed no such document that prevented me (as Nunn claimed) from discussing my experience with ABP – as long as I told the truth. I never signed a gag order in any way shape or form.

I also pointed out IF I had been libelous and had been writing slanderous things about ABP as the email claimed I did in the Hub, then why didn’t they come after me personally? The admission in their own email was that they had had a business relationship with me at one time therefore, they knew who I was. Why didn’t they sue me for libel if their claims were true?

I implored the Hubpages team to read my blog to see 1) I violated absolutely NO terms of use according to Hubpages and 2) my story was MY story. I told what happened to ME and my experience with ABP and according to what my lawyer advised, I was therefore completely protected by free speech.

Whatever the case, I must have convinced Hubpages as they asked my permission to pass along my lawyer’s information to ABP and as is standard with this con artist – she’s all bluster, no action. I’ve heard nothing from either Nunn or ABP or the Hubpages team since. What a victory!!! Thank you Lord!

I even received a new comment yesterday and for every comment, I suspect there are many, many more who just find the Hub, read it and are warned but who don't leave a comment. Which was the entire purpose of the Hub.

I plan to go back and clean that Hub up – it’s very long and it’s important that I make it readable for anyone who seeks information about American Book Publishing and the scam they are still unfortunately perpetrating on new unsuspecting authors.

Please keep this alive. If you write, or if you know any authors please consider sending my link above or even this link in your email. ABP comes up quickly on search engines. Let’s make my warning come up right with it!

If you have had dealings with ABP leave a comment - it can be anonymous - to help verify what I've been trying to do - put this con artist out of business!


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breakfastpop 6 years ago

Dear cj,

I am so sorry you were victimized, but you are now helping others to avoid the pain you went through. You are a great person, you really are.


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itakins 6 years ago from Irl

Good on you-well done:)


Sandy 6 years ago

I see from your profile you have never published before. So how can you rightfully judge a publishing company? How do you even know that what was posted on that other site is even true? Lies are spread via internet all the time. Just a thought.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Sandy - you didn't read my profile carefully. I'm published, I've never had a BOOK published before.

I now know a legitimate publishing company - according to ALL the experts - do not charge money for an author to become published by their publishing firm. The moment they ask for money - they are a VANITY publisher. This is industry common knowledge.

I'm not certain what you are talking about "that other site" - if you mean Preditors and Editors - it's also an established website dedicated to helping authors and is owned by at least one best selling author along with other professionals in the industry. Their web site has been very useful and an excellent resource for years - they do not lie on their website. You're wrong I'm afraid.


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Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

cjv,

Don't worry about her suing, doing this the courts would make her produce documents she doesn't want to or don't exist.

I am so sorry this happened to a good person.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

I've figured that out finally. I told the Hubteam that too - I've had this in the public domain awhile now - if her allegations were true, she already would have brought a lawsuit. But as I told them - she'd first have to prove she's Cheryl Nunn, not C. Lee Nunn and not Nathan Fitzgeral - and it would go downhill from there. So I know NOW she probably won't sue, but I didn't then!


RJ Hamilton 6 years ago

CJ,

I sent you an email, not wanting to take a chance on the public blog at this point.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Got your email and answered it right away RJ.


anon 6 years ago

She's notorious for writing legal sounding threats usually claiming libel foranything put in the public domain that relates to a real experience. Never have I heard her taking anyone to court. Her site alone with suxh claims as :we don't make money if the author doesn't; respected in the industry, very sel;ectin acceptance, et al are easily proven incorrect, unsubstantiated if not deliberate lies.

If authors ever attained any level of sales success then one should find deposits returned. To my knowledge not one ABP writer has had their deposit returned. Without any books on the shelves in any bookstorefrom any effrot by APB, and likely veryfew from writer efforts leaves only Amazon and B/N and other on-line sales. Merely checking the sales rank of all preat ALL APB titles on Amazon reveals rankings in the millions. People that means lessthan one book. How can any real publisher, claiming to depend on book sales to readers,ever survive on such low volumes?They can if the writeris buying their own books and likley never sellign enough to even break even.That's all the proff necessary to establish -no matter what C.Lee Nunn claims- that coupled wiht writers paying to get in print, ABP is nothing but a vanity press, covering the fact wiht false claims.


anon 6 years ago

Learn to ask questions. Put aside your desire to be published and think. You have a manuscript, pretend you have personally gone from one publisher to the next, been rejected. Walking down the street, you see a woman holding a sign, claims she is a publisher and for about $800 she’ll publish your book. The difference in reality is mailing your work to a publisher or agent, and responding to a website.

Ask, for an average sales by title; what bookstores have the titles on their shelves. Ask her to let you talk to some of the writers. She won’t give you a single direct answer. What publisher, relying on sales to readers, won’t know? What publisher isn’t proud of their writer’s success? She’ll tell you: all books don’t sell equally; her writers don’t want to be disturbed. That’s boloney.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

The thing of it is, back when I first went to ABP - they were a "new" company - a start up. And I was clueless about the publishing industry. Of course now I'd ask a million questions - but I thought I had something. I got an agent almost immediately - a husband and wife team. They believed in my book so much the stopped taking on clients - but after a year - nothing. They didn't take my money at all. I gave up but believed that since these agents believed in it, it wouldn't be odd that ABP would want to pick it up. Yeah - pick it up and scam the ca-ca out of me!

I did ask to speak to authors - they sent me emails praising ABP to the heavens. I didn't know the clear warning signs. And that's why I wrote this blog - to warn others not to do what I did! Thanks for stopping by and leaving your comments.


anon 6 years ago

It would be interesting to note which ABP writers contacted you raving about their experience, unless the "they" you refer to means ABP sent emails to you associated to writers.

Part of the success of the scam is all those quotes provided. Note, contact the writers, you'll hear things so much different. In fact many are no longer with ABP. Certainly most provide quotes early on before they learn.

Now the ABP's quote section begins by warning potential writers not to believe anything they read about companies that are on the web, so much like ABP -read that as implying ABP directly. Why place such a preface if not to defend against all the warnings. Regardless, getting writers to remove their quotes would certainly help stop others from signing away rights, and money.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Anon - I asked that ABP remove my own comments - that I never made BTW - I didn't write what the have posted I wrote - and the answer was, stop writing about us and we'll take your comment down. So I'm sure most of the positive comments are made up or as you suspect, posted before the author knows what they've gotten themself into.

Secondly - no publishing house has to post recommendations. The REAL publishers have so many people sending them queries most aren't even accepting queries no less manuscripts. Find one major publishing house that has to show you what their authors said about their publishing business. Doesn't exist. That's one red flag right there. I just saw another one of those scams and a page you could click on was "See what our authors say about their experience with us." BINGO - if they have anything that is even similar to that - SCAM - not a true publisher! RUN don't walk away!

Thanks for your comment!


anon 6 years ago

Most real publishers are aon the shelvesof bookstores, want to be but can't afford the discounts but all 1) pick up the costs, all costs no matter how little they are able to do. 2) MAy or may not be able to pay an advance, but never make the writer pay a dime. 3) Are proud of their authors and their author's works, will respect the author's privacy but never tell their authors not to talk about their experiences. Most writers talk about their books as do their publishers, it being a given that both are looking to build reader interest and sales. These publishers are awareof their name in making sales, getting reviews etc. Their reputationhas a value.They would never want negative publicity. 4) AND REAL PUBLISHERS LET THE WRITER KNOW UP FRONT WHAT TO EXPECT.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Thanks for your comments anon!


anon 6 years ago

American Book Publishing uses the quotes from writers to encourage other writers to sign and by the very content of the introduction to the quotes, to make perspective writers beleive all the warnings about the company are untrue.

So then if writers sign hoping to reach readers by following ABP markeing methods what can they expect? First, no books stocked in stores. Access via the ABP bookstore, the writer's websites and all other on-line sources.

There are 26 titles listed on the first page of the ABP writer quote section. An Amazon title search reveals one title has a 455,000 sales rank, the average of all other books found was 5 million, that equates to 0.1 books sold per week. 11 of the titles were not located -no coverage no sales- 4 had no ranking as in no sales.

Does anyone really think all those writers are pleased with the sales, their overall experience, the money they spent?


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

EXACTLY anon! Thank you so much for your insightful input!


additional input 6 years ago

Sales rank of 400,000 means about one book per week. In order to breakeven -cover their deposit,@ 20% royalty on a twenty dollar per copy book, the writer needs to sell approximately 200 copies at one per week, that's almost four years. At .1/week, well most writers would be dead by the time they broke even. This of course does not include all the copies bought for marketing per ABP'scrack staff of marketing "experts."

One could do somuch better going to any legit vanity press from a monetary perspective. But then most don't want vanity presses and certainly C. Lee Nunn suspects this I would guess, thus all her efforts to make ABP appear as the real deal.

NO REAL PUBLISHER CAN STAY IN BUSINESS WITH EACH TITLE SELLING ONLY A FEW COPIES PER YEAR TO READERS.


another thought 6 years ago

According to the SFWA warning regarding American Book Publishing, writers wanting out of their contracts are asked topay $500. Think about it, not the audacity but the amount, the value ABP places on a manuscript is $500. Says it all. They never expect any title to sell more than a few copies to readers.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Very well said "another thought 2"! Good point!


WanMengnjo 6 years ago

I have a manuscript and is looking for a credible publisher but and American Publishing house contacted me, offered me a subsidy package. I have been dalaying because i am new in the bussiness. I don not trust them. I want to verify this Dorrance Publishing House out, before I am a victim. I need advice.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Dorance House Publishing seems to be much the same as American Book Publishing. Avoid them is my advice. Avoid them both. Here's a link on Preditors and Editors about Dorance Publishing. It's in alphabetical order: http://pred-ed.com/pebd.htm

Good for you that you checked first before signing on the dotted line! Carol


anom 6 years ago

Reading WanMengnjo's post I would recommend any self-publishers. Your misspelling, improper usage of verbs et al will turn-off all real publishers.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

anon - your comment didn't actually meet perfect grammatical standards either. Did you mean I would NOT recommend any self-publishers? Or did you mean to write I would only recommend self-publishers? Either way - that sentence isn't clear at all given the improper way it was written.


Dee 6 years ago

I thought Anon's comment was quite clear. If the post sited is an indication of that writer's abilites, all real publishers would reject anything submitted as any self-publisher would accept anything submitted.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

Dee - I gathered what anon meant from the context but it was poorly written. The first sentence doesn't really make sense. In context though - you can get the gist - but the first sentence should be "Reading WanMengnjo's post I would recommend A self-publisher." Not "any self publishers." Awkward writing by Anon.


dee 6 years ago

"Any" has more power,its use deliberate to encompass all self-publishers, adding emphasis to the lack of criteria they employ in selecting manuscripts. It brings home the point of the poor grammar per the cited example. It then constrast nicley to the fact no real publisher (meaning all thus matching the use of any) would accept anything so poorly written.


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cjv123 6 years ago from Michigan Author

OK - I give. You win Dee.


dave 6 years ago

This site is important and serves a function. It provides writers with information about American Book Publishing. Writers, thus educated, can weight this against the claims presented by ABP and make a decision.

If you’re that desperate to see your manuscript in book format, believing then you are published, then pay your $800 to C. Lee Nunn; you know her background, know what will be expected from you, know it will entail spending more money that will do nothing to build reader awareness. Very likely you’ll discover your book’s release will be held up until you have paid more money. Imagine any publisher, who relied on sales to readers, willingly delaying a book’s release.

That recent exchange regarding Dorrance, and poor writing was important. First it indicated the focus of this site was momentarily lost. It is about ABP. Nothing else provided indicates any level of authority on other publishers or the industry in general. Second, the recent exchange provided a quick education in writing: the difference between writing, writing well, and writing something that is good, Real publishers expect submissions to be written well –use if the vernacular understood. Writing is a craft; the skills must be learned. They look for the nuances, which indicate talent. They want well-written books. And to avoid any potential disagreement that might arise from this post, they understand the difference in meaning between written well and well-written.

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