How to run a car on nothing - no fuel or water

Fresh Air and Ingenuity

Like many others, I gave up on fuel years ago and started running my car on water. The savings were great of course, and the performance, though not brilliant, was quite good enough for rush hour commuting.

But after a while, I found I was getting tired of the hassle of having to check water levels every other day and, to be honest, the smell of the catalyst (used to dissociate the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen) was starting to get to me big time. So, I sat down to think it through from first principles, and this is what I came up with:

  • I don't need a performance car since all my driving is around town.
  • An electric car would be quite fine.
  • Electric cars don't need combustible fuel, but they do need electricity to charge the batteries.
  • Of course! Make the car generate its own electricity!

The idea seemed so simple I wondered why no-one had done it before. Now, I'm more of a theoretician than a practical guy, but fortunately my next door neighbour, Jim, is a keen amateur mechanic with a well equipped garage workshop. When I explained my plans, he couldn't wait to give it a go.

Block Diagram

alternators, belts, diodes
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The Project

The project took a few weeks to come to fruition but, though it was hard to do, it's simple to describe. Here's the gist:

  1. Obtain an electric vehicle of your choice. I settled on the Dynasty Electric Sedan.
  2. Obtain two alternators. We used Lucas as Jim already had a couple lying around in the workshop.
  3. Mount these to the chassis and couple them, with drive belts, to the rear half-axles.
  4. Regulate and rectify the electrical outputs from the alternators and connect them to the battery stack via heavy duty diodes. (The latter should be mounted on a heat sink).

Of course, I've compressed several weeks of effort into a few short lines, but I'm sure you get the picture. Here's how the system works:

The battery drives the motor in the normal way, so the car moves along the road. Normally, the battery would gradually discharge till the car stops. But here, the rotating rear half-axles turn the alternators, which in turn keep the battery fully charged.

I've been told it can't work. People used to say cars couldn't run on water! There's always someone looking to be negative. But consider this - this is the secret of my success - there are two alternators and only one motor! Everyone knows nothing can be 100% efficient. There are losses in friction, in the drive belts, in the heat sink. Yes, but even with the losses, I'm getting 60% from each alternator! That's 120% total. So, I have 100% to recharge the battery and drive the motor, and 20% left over, which looks after lights, radio and all the rest.

Already Jim and I are working on a new model with four alternators! Jim's had the devil's own job inventing a flexible coupling to the steerable front wheels. But he's completed the prototype. Four alternators all giving 60% - that's 240% folks! This one, we're going to race!

Postscript - if in any doubt:

This hub is for entertainment only, and is my response to the 'run your car on water' scam. I'm a physicist by training and have been an engineer all my working life. There are little things like the Carnot cycle and Entropy that can't be circumvented. You can't run a car on water because to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen takes more energy than is released by recombining it (in the engine). An alternator cannot give out more electrical energy than the mechanical input. So my 'invention' is also a scam - the alternators would simply act as brakes! But in my favour, I'm not trying to sell you anything. Don't believe everything you read, and beware of pseudo-science and spurious statistics.

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GoogleCashMoney 8 years ago from Mumbai, India

Very Informative Hub.

I wish someone will come up with an idea - alternative to fuel.


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dlarson 8 years ago from Priest River, ID

Perpetual energy! You'll have so much extra power that you could discharge back to the "grid" and pay for the car many times over! :)


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soulsurfer 8 years ago from South West England

Very entertaining Paraglider.

I can't wait to see the video of your new model on the racetrack. Do you steer while jim pushes or the other way around?

Jim (the other one)


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sixtyorso 8 years ago from South Africa

I guess when you make your billions we won't see you on hubpages any more. Any vaguely good idea (and a lot of bad ones) is quashed or bought out by the automobile companies before anything comes of it. But, if we look at Toyota (Prius and its derivitives) as well as some of the experimental vehicles now being shown, some of those patents are coming out of mothballs. Look forward to seeing pictures of you car soon!


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Rik Ravado 8 years ago from England

Paraglider - I have a physics degree and am an old sceptic but even I can see you have something here. This is very persuasive stuff. As long as your rectifying diodes are better than 50% then you should get a net energy gain. Keep the friction down and away she goes.

To make it go faster add a third alternator and start storing the surplus energy in a storage device of some kind (charge up more batteries?). When you get home you can use the spare electricity to heat your home etc. brilliant! Is is patented or can I copy it?


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ripplemaker 8 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Paraglider, I am actually sitting down trying to digest stuff I can't fully comprehend. Gee with the prices of fuel increasing every week, I so long to see that day when our cars truly would run on nothing. :)


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Thanks all for commenting. As I'm sure most of you know, this hub is for entertainment only, and is my response to the 'run your car on water' scam. I'm a physicist by training and have been an engineer all my working life. There are little things like the Carnot cycle and Entropy that can't be circumvented. You can't run a car on water because to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen takes more energy than is released by recombining it (in the engine). An alternator cannot give out more electrical energy than the mechanical input. So my 'invention' is also a scam - the alternators would simply act as brakes! But in my favour, I'm not trying to sell you anything :) Rik - nice red herring about the diodes - aren't spurious statistics wonderful? Thanks all, for humouring me!


oberbreckling 8 years ago

Hi there paraglyder I think we have all been tossing it around, for me I've been thinking about it for a real long time LOL,but I keep thinking about a generator device at each wheel run off electricity It,s all too funny have a good one.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Personaly, I'd like the Fred Flintstone car. Do a bit of legwork to get it moving then it seems to keep going forever!


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soulsurfer 8 years ago from South West England

Hi Paraglider,

You'll have to bear with me for a bit. I'm getting on a bit now, and I've developed an unfortunate tendency to ramble.

Amongst many other things I'm a trained research scientist and a qualified physics teacher. Many moons ago, when I too was "a distant young hippy", I designed and built a high energy spark ignition system. It was a joy to behold. At one atmosphere the "spark" was an inch or so long. It glowed a delicate shade of blue and hummed rather then crackled and popped.

The reason for indulging in this seemingly pointless exercise was, and still is, that the average car engine doesn't do a very good job of extracting energy from all that expensive gasoline that you keep pumping into it. In fact one of the jobs of your catalytic converter is to stop too many unburnt hydrocarbons from being pumped into the atmosphere.

Having now done my due diligence it appears that what the hordes of get rich quick merchants are currently promoting here on hubpages, and despite their highly misleading sales copy, is not in fact a device for running your car on water, and nothing but water. It appears instead to be a blueprint for an inferior version of what is often termed a "hydrogen booster", designs for which are available free of charge from numerous sources on the internet.

Now there is plenty of hard evidence that simply adding a little bit of water to the fuel/air mixture rushing into your engine improves the power output and/or miles per gallon. I see no a priori reason why adding 3 or 4% hydrogen and oxygen to the fuel/air mixture shouldn't have a similar effect. As long as the energy that is lost in the alternator and the electrolysis is compensated for by burning more gasoline than an unmodified engine this doesn't violate any fundamental laws of nature.

What do you reckon?

Jim


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Optimise, optimise, optimise! Tinkering with the mixture, the timing, the compression - all of these can get you a little bit closer to the ideal, which isn't 100% efficiency but 100% minus entropy & the Carnot cycle. And of course maximum fuel efficiency isn't compatible with high speed, high acceleration or even with good road-holding.

I'm not denying that introducing free hydrogen & oxygen could in some circumstances give you some efficiency improvements in the engine itself, but if you start with water, dissociate it any way you like then recombine it, that requires a net input of energy which ultimately can only come from the fuel you're burning. Worse, you start with cold water, dissociate it, then recombine it into steam. Where did that energy come from? If it was free, why do we have to plug in our electric kettles to make a cup of tea :)


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soulsurfer 8 years ago from South West England

Hi Paraglider,

Exactly! (How do you do quotes on here?)

The "net input of energy which ultimately can only come from the fuel you're burning" hits the proverbial nail on the head.

A car engine doesn't burn all the fuel you squirt into it. If you can find a way to burn some more of that fuel your engine produces more energy. Q.E.D.

Your electric kettle analogy is perfect too. What happens when you turn water into steam? What might happen if you managed to do that in a modest way above each piston in your V8?

Cheers,

Jim


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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

Hilarious, and thank you for a laugh. I LOVE your math. 60 and 60 ARE 120... why hasn't anyone figure this out before? YOu do realize that if you put FIVE alternators on there, you could generate 300% and could actually run THREE cars. You rule.


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Eric Graudins 8 years ago from Australia

Paraglider for president! You're a genius.

Would this work for jet airliners as well, where the moisture laden air could be converted to hydrogen to power electric turbofans instead of having jet engines?

This truly has potential to transform our society, so be very careful about your personal safety. Those oil company hitmen will have you on the top of their list for extermination. Like they have done with hundreds of others who have invented something that affects their profits.

So - be very scared :lol:

 

 


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Shadesbreath - scammers all love spurious statistics, especially percentages and meaningless graphs.

Eric - I'm going to make enough out of the cars, so I won't muscle in on your aircraft design. Go for it!


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FoursX2 8 years ago from Laguna Niguel, CA

Does anybody know where I can buy some catalyst? I just ran out and my water tank is nearly empty.


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sixtyorso 8 years ago from South Africa

Why doesn't somebody just create robots everywhere with webcams and we could activate the robots (electric) and virtually travel anywhere, virtual conference, virtual shop. but not virtual delivery so the retailers will have to cough up to deliver while we stay at home, write hubs and socialise virtually. Don't know about virtual sex though!

What happened to kinetic energy, antimagnetics and the like?


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Lots of good ideas there! Something else just occurred to me - when we have floods, why do we not just set fire to them and burn off the excess water? It would save on the sandbags and pumps surely?


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sixtyorso 8 years ago from South Africa

Pity we could not organise the floods in volcano zones!!


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SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

I have been following the water4gas debate on Hubpages and I must admit I do not know much about the issue. However, I find your hub very entertaining and I think it is good because some people who were about to fall for the scam will find this hub instead. Good job.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Thanks SweetiePie - Even without worrying too much about the laws of Physics, if something sounds to good to be true, it probably is!


HJ4HHO 8 years ago

Lets optimize, my project car just finished converting a fiero to ferrari look, now its going to get the speed of a real ferrari with the gas mileage of a prius by using a supercharged 3800 (300+hp) + NOS (+100hp when needed) + plus 150hp electric motor upfront(for short burst boost) for speed...all this when someone needs to race (550hp on 2800lbs) 0-60 in 4 seconds and 1/4 in 11second BUT for cruising, running HHO system to take the 28mpg standard of the SC3800 to 42mpg +plus your design of 2 alternators charging my quick boost battery that will run my electric motor for burst (if I can keep the axles from breaking from the eletric motor torque). Today's supercar - Supercharged, NOS boosted, Hydro-Oxygen, Electic Hybrid Supercar! MMM What should I call it?


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Call it magic ;)


PK 8 years ago

Laws are to be broken!!!

The question is WHO PAYS THE PENALTY?

Well done man! You made me laugh!

I'm a teacher and I will teach the new laws of physics to my students showing them how to save earth by creating energy from nothing.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Go for it, PK - there's no stopping us now!


Brian 8 years ago

Don't you know there is a free-energy crisis? People like you keep wasting it all on perputual motion and such.

My car runs on rainbows and wishes. Its much more eco-friendly.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Brian - that sounds ideal. Don't ever change it :)


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compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

love it!! lol

Paraglider, all the stuff that we used to see on the old star trek movies were all inetended for entertainment purposes hase become a reality such as sliding doors to video conferencing etc and bodly going further etc, so who knows how this idea of yours will evolve!


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funride 8 years ago from Portugal

I should have read this hub before buying my Honda Hybrid lol. Who knows maybe I would chose one with holes in the bottom to allow me to use my legs as motor. I was scammed, my hybrid still runs on fuel :( LOL.


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viralprospector 8 years ago from DFW Texas

Paraglider;

Awesome hub. Maybe we can mount a windmill on our car so that the faster we go, the more energy it produces. Then we can get it to power the electrolyzer to separate the hydrogen to run the car. We can take that pure oxygen to pump into the passenger compartment so we don't breathe all that smog.

I did not know you were such a technical expert. Outstanding!


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Compu-smart - there have been many times, especially in business meetings or traffic jams, that I've wished I could just say 'Beam me up, Scottie'. Maybe next year...

funride - aren't you in Lisbon? Surely there you need a car that can climb stairs, no?

VP - Thanks very much. I like the liberated oxygen idea! (BTW, I'm a physicist turned engineer and, since that pays the bills, I suppose all the other things I'm interested in have to be classed as hobbies!)


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agvulpes 8 years ago from Australia

I don't think anyone got around to mention the cars that run on compressed air.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

agvulpes - sounds like a winner (for an e-book!)


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Eileen Hughes 8 years ago from Northam Western Australia

Gee I need something like this while travelling but dont think it would pull our van


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Oh, I don't know - fit a couple of alternators to the caravan too!


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hardikinn 8 years ago

good .project ...i wish that my car can also run without water and fuel


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

hardikinn - it can, downhill ...


bill who 8 years ago

perpetual motion has been said not possible but I say it is possible as an example has been given to us by our creator,hence everyday the world rotates as it rotates around the sun as do all the other planets near us do?hence perpetual motion.

We just need to figure out how to do it


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Sorry Bill, but that's not really true. What you're seeing is angular momentum being conserved, as described hundreds of years ago in classical physics. But it is slowing down, very very gradually (free space is not wholly free and there is a little friction). This is measurable and has been measured. But don't worry. It will keep spinning for a year or two yet!


7 years ago

energy from nothing good luck


luke 7 years ago

wow paraglider's and soulsurfer's discussion realy opened my eye's. im going to try this on my scooter, haha wish me luck


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Luke - for symmetry, go with 2 alternators - one on each side ;)


scuba dude 7 years ago

What can you tell me about microhydro generatorsPlease keep in mind that i am not a scientist, just an interested poser looking to change things up at home.


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

To be honest, I'd never heard of it until your post. It looks like an interesting medium scale technology, but I can say nothing about it from first hand.


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Paul Marshall 7 years ago from Australia

I got to admit I was thinking that you wre a nutter, then I read the postscript and laugh myself silly. Maybe you could point in the direction of an old subaru front drive system. I firmly believe that this will aid you in coupling the alt drives to steerable front wheels. Of course the alternators act as brakes, that is the beauty of the system, you want more brakes, simply apply more load to the alternator by switching the headlights to full beam. I imagine that this same principle would make use of the turn indicators interesting, to say the least, but plenty of people seem to survive without ever using them.


Mordred 7 years ago

Very nice concept but as funride said, I think Honda beat ya to the punch there as I seem to remember seeing something like that in the plans for the Civic and Insight hybrids. What if you used a water kit on your car, but instead of using the battery to separate the oxygen from the hydrogen, you used a Marx Generator? Or just have the generator set up to continuously discharge and pump the free H and O gas mixture into a reservoir tank for while you are driving.

Great read though man.


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JakeAuto 7 years ago from Calif.

Another new propulsion system that has both zero emissions and an inexhaustible source of power has been developed by the Derby Downs labs in Akron, Ohio, the company is currently seeking venture capitol funding needed to bring the gravity car to market. A safety feature integrated into the design automatically brings the vehicle to a gentle stop, in the event the driver falls asleep or incapacitated.


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LiamBean 7 years ago from Los Angeles, Calilfornia

Thank the gods for the last paragraph. I've read enough of your hubs to know you aren't a kook, but for a while there I thought your "cheese" had "slid off the cracker."


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Liam - you want a short course in Scottish dry humour? Totally tongue in cheek, this one ;) Thanks for the visit!


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prettydarkhorse 7 years ago from US

humour indeed, thought you are serious at first! Hi Dave, like any articles on engineering and the like, I have to understand the diagram, at least it is only one diagram unlike your article about TV production LOL..

thanks and have a good day!


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Paraglider 7 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Hi Maita - the diagram in this one is not to be taken seriously either! Thanks for the visit, always welcome :)


Eric W. 7 years ago

Extremely innovative! If we put your idea with mine we might be out doing the big boys sooner than one might believe.


rob a 6 years ago

why dont you put 500+ alternators on each wheel but here's the good bit put them on a 20 wheel lorrie stack all the alternators in the trailer total 10,000 alternators send the lorrie round in circles so it don't go anywhere and wire up to the national grid here in the uk should be enough to power a small town put 2 lorries on the track with the same spec we can power two towns etc etc get my drift oh oh oh


Car check 6 years ago

Love it, where can I buy one.lol I have just made my scalectric car run without being plugged in.


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Paraglider 6 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Buy one? - you have to make your own, like Jim and I did :)


kevin williams 5 years ago

however ther is potentiol for using smaller devices to save energy, take the gym for eg, you pedel on a bike that uses power to desply stats, you pedeling could creat that power, the same for all manule laber the amount of energy we use every day is unbeleevebl we would not notice the diferince in friction in creating useble energy


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Kevin - the invention for maximising the efficiency of human power happened long ago - the bicycle :)


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MPChris 5 years ago from Atlanta, GA

I love reading the first few comments to this hub. Makes me feel good about myself.


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Hi MPChris - yes, this one stirred up lots of fun comments! Thanks for the read :)


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Phillbert 5 years ago from The Ozarks

Hahaha I enjoyed reading this! Im no expert, but as I was reading I kept thinking to myself that the alternators couldn't produce more energy than what was input.... Then I saw your text at the bottom! Hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Thank Phillbert - there are too many scams out there. Sometimes it's good to habe a laugh at them!


Arthur 5 years ago

I hate to burst everyones bubble but it is possible to run a car on absolutely nothing. You just need to think outside the box. Obviously the idea above is ridiculous, but i have developed a system that does work!!

But for obvious reasons i can't explain how.

I have built a prototype vehicle that works and the performance would equal most hybrid vehicles currently on the market.


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Arthur - I don't believe you :)


Arthur 5 years ago

@Paraglider: I don't balme you, it's sounds impossible doesn't it?

But a couple of hundred years ago if you had told someone that you could generate energy, store it, and then use to power certain things - people would have thought you were a completely nuts.

These are things that we now take for granted in our everyday lives.

I've also noticed that many people who try to develop alternative methods of powering a motor vehicle base their design around the common petrol and diesel combustion engines..... Why?

Take for example the car developed by a frence engineer that works on compressed air, he's based it around the working of a combustion engine with pistons, rods, crankshaft, etc. Not a bad idea because it does work, but again i've developed a system that is far more simple. The hardest part about powering a car on compressed air is reguating the pressure because as the air is used, the pressure in the tank is reduced. There are numberous ways to resolve this problem. I'm not talking about the gar generatating more air as the travels, that would be difficult to achieve as it takes quite a lot of energy to compress air. I'm talking about filling a tank with around 500bar of air pressure and then find a way to keep the pressure at 500bar until the tank is empty. Impossibe? No it's not!

I said in my previous post that you just need to think outside the box and until you do, anything that you consider to be impossible will remain impossible until someone like me developes it and you say "huh, why didn't i think of that?'


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Arthur - that's fine, but there's nothing in your suggestion that contravenes the laws of thermodynamics. There's still a primary energy source required in the compressor. Whether that is carried around on the car or remains in a base station is immaterial - the car still converts stored energy into kinetic energy, and the stored energy still has to be paid for. It would, however, make for a nice clean vehicle :)


Arthur 5 years ago

Yes for a vehicle powered by compressed air, a power source is required to initially fill the tank and as i've already said, it take quite a lot of energy to compress air.

I was just using that as an example of how many people base their design on the combustion engine, when there is a much easier way (actually several ways).

My last project ran on compressed air. It was only a prototype but i could still travel almost 100km's on a tank. However, maufacturing cost were a big issue.

My latest project generates it's own energy, it does not require charging or anything like that. It has batteries of course, which will need to be replaced every 3 years. But the cost is very small considering the fuel savings.

Again i can't go into detail on the actual design1 The vehicle works extremely well and has undergone extensive testing, but it is still in the design phase. Long term testing on a vehicle such as this is essential, but so far there have been no major issues. There are a number of aspects that i still hope to improve :)


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

I don't think you can generate your own energy, unless you mean using solar panels or some other capture technique to charge the batteries.


Arthur 5 years ago

The batteries are only used to store EXCESS energy, which is used for initial starting and for long periods of increased load (a very long steep hill for example)


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

So what stored energy source are you depleting when you accelerate?


Arthur 5 years ago

The vehicles generates enough energy to operate the motor at max rpm. A potentiometer which i refer to as the "primary potentiometer" controls the speed of the motor while driving.


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

You can't generate energy. You can only transform it from one form to another. And potentiometers dissipate energy. I'm afraid I'd need harder facts than you're offering before I could believe your claim.


Arthur 5 years ago

When i say the vehicle generates energy, i mean it converts mechanical energy into electrical energy....I thought that would have been obvious.

Obviously there is a secret to how this vehicle can produce such a large output from such a small input. But in all fairness you can't expect me to share that information.

And i'm not asking you to believe my claim, i've already said that i don't blame you for having your doubts :)


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Arthur - there is no mechanical energy in a stationary vehicle. To get it moving requires energy. That energy comes from something, and depletes that something. It can't recharge itself by magic. Until you explain, I will not believe, but I will wonder whom you are trying to fool.


Arthur 5 years ago

I'm trying to fool nobody, you do realise that i CAN'T explain the actual operation of this vehicle.

I've already stated that the batteries are used for initial starting! Once running, the system i have designed developes very high output from very little input. That very high mechanical output is then converted back into electricity. So in plain english, the system produces more electricity than is required to operate the vehicle.

It's hard to explain without going into the exact details of how this can be achieved, which i can't do.

That's all i have to say on this topic :)


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Arthur - if such a vehicle could be made, then it would similarly be possible to manufacture power plants which only needed to be started once in order to generate electricity forever (or at least until mechanical failure). This would solve the energy problems of the world. It's wasted in a single car. You'll forgive me if, in the absence of any credible evidence or explanation, I remain sceptical.


μεταχειρισμενα αυτοκινητα 5 years ago

this is an interesting hub.I was quiet confuse on the process and i want a more detail explanation.I want to run my ?????????????? ?????????? using electricity.


Pravas Chandra Pradhan 5 years ago

Dear All,

This is possible because I have a new project like car run on without fuel or with out water.....

From

Pravas


Chance 5 years ago

Paraglider,

Here's food for thought. No insult is meant by this. If every scientist in the world excepted that today's physics laws are the accurate laws of the universe, how would we ever advance in science? If no one attempted to bend, break or revise every law of physics known to man (which has been done many times since the beginning of recorded time), how would we advance scientifically? I do understand that a lot of people will try to take advantage of others, therefore there needs to be some doubt (for self preservation), but at the same time who is to say that someone (yes even your backyard joe) can't stubble upon a fluke in these laws and find something incredible that "appears" to be magic (or scam). A good example of how quickly or drastically things can change for the world is to look at Tesla vs Edison for harnessing the power of Niagra Falls. If Edison had won, we would all be using DC power for everything. What differences, in the way of electrical devices, would there be if we didn't have AC power? Also another thing to think on, since you are a physicist and engineer, why are we still using the same old setups for electricity, for the last 50 years, when physics alone has come so far we should be able to rewrite all electrical engineering courses. Unless you can tell me that nothing has changed with how we understand the electron and therefore electricity. For all we know someone found a new way to tap or trap energy we already use, therefore it may appear as if the are getting energy for free when in reality it just pulls the energy from the atmosphere making it seem free because we didn't personally put it into the device. Perhaps someone did find a fluke in a law, and what we were taught to believe was wrong. Imagine how the world felt when they found out they weren't the center of everything and that their world wasn't flat. Now imagine what is going to happen in our next huge scientific discovery. First everyone will say it's not possible. Then they will say it's possible but not practical. Lastly they willall claim to have known it all along. Sorry if I missed on some of the details, it's late and I want to post this before I lost the thought train. I'm not a scientist nor an engineer (please don't let my lack of complete technical understanding make you put the blinders on), but something doesn't feel right when we have all this new technology coming out all the time, yet we still can't master the basics of our own energy issues. Once again just food for thought, and no offense meant. Sorry again if this seems like rambling but I am still young and learning, so if you could clear up any of these questions for me that would be awesome! :) I do agree with you on the "don't believe everything you read" but at the same time don't throw everything that "appears" to break a physical law out the window.


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Chance - I am not saying that we cannot make new advances in technology or new discoveries in science. I am simply saying that you can't get something from nothing, at least not on the macro scale. You can only get something from something else.

On the subject of AC or DC power, though the technologies had not been realised in any practical way, the possibilities had all been encapsulated in Maxwell's equations decades before Tesla's work.

Science usually leads technology. Flight, radio, computers, you name it - the theoretical possibility was well established before the technologists solved the practical problems. Often, the realisation was merely awaiting development of suitable materials.

Regarding science, every true scientist knows that the 'laws' apply within frames of reference but break down in extremis (e.g. approaching the speed of light). Scientific theories are falsifiable in formulation, i.e. they are awaiting a repeatable event observation that contradicts them and proves them false. That is how science advances. In my lifetime I have seen huge advances in scientific knowledge and technological applications. But scam claims like running a car on water do not come into this category.


Dark Datum 5 years ago

Natural law... Law of conversion... All these secrets to make a fortune and no one looks at the larger picture. Alright, I am about to blow away everyone's mind and just tell you a method, not the secret but a method. You know about hydro electric dams? The big thingyma-bobbers that make my computer go on? And then there is "Dem windmeells in de sky" that use dynamo energy to make electricity? Damnit, just use magnets already!! In particular sets, of course with 100 pounders you can have more than 10 points pushing away at any given time, the force between magnets not held up at 100ish pounds rated was 140lbs-ish % of force pushing away, it's not all that big neither. Use low rpms, a set of disks to start her going, a battery to power some coils that have a magnetic field when power is provided, aided by a cylinder lined with magnets along the body (one inside n' one out) and there you go running the starter disk bolted on a hub. Guess what, you got yer force in mechanical ways, n now you just need a belt on that there hub and hook it to a motor. Does it work? Hell, there are countless versions of it out there. Am I intrested in the money? Well, I could use a new truck, but you know, I see that this is needed, no single person is going to git er done, this is a joint affair. Everyone, git over yerself so you can git er done. Yes I see the major pace maker flaw, special rubber housing eliminates that and vibration problems. It don't cost much, box it, put it in the trunk, it ain't too big neither. perm splice it to the output with the outlet plug(electric car) and you have a current model running on it's own power source. Now the secret is in the math and the setup. Can't get more energy than what's put in it. But WE can get a hellava lot more energy than what WE put in it. That's what were wanting correct? Oh, you "schkeeamerrs" get all pissed off, I don't care that you don't make any money. Funny thing, this invention you can't get papers for, something about free energy is an international and US military issue. But you can build it and use it.

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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Dark Datum - I remain unconvinced. Static magnetism can't be harnessed as a continuous source of energy for reasons well explained by Maxwell a long time ago. Thanks for the read and comment though :)


Dark Datum 5 years ago

Due to how drunk I was (I love Black Heart) I will explain further how I stumbled on this idea, and the sad realization almost everyone has as well. Good sir, this is not Static Magnetism in the strictest sense. I challenge you. Go to the hobby store and purchase a few items.

A plastic disk, a small lid from a container will do just fine.

A ring slightly larger than the lid, hopefully with a flat surface inwards, a jewlery bracelet will do. metallic if possible, it can be resized. Magnets, not expensive ones, just cheap little magnets, possibly the rare earth magnets, but hey whatev....

A toy/hobby motor and something that will allow you to attach the disk to the motor.

Stick the disk on the motor, evenly place the magnets facing the same polarity outwards, and on the ring, place the same polarity inwards, (north for argument's sake) and make sure they all tilt in the same direction, otherwise there is no direction the force will be applied to. Attach something that the tiny hobby motor can power, a light will do.

Place the ring over the disk, and watch it spin. Your amazement more prominent due to the light illuminating your now smiling and still struck in awe face.

This is a small version of what can be made. You have a magnetic force that is stationary (the ring) applying force to another magnetic force with the same polarity (the disk) which is not stationary. The disk spins and I believe that this spinning force applied to the motor is what man kind has been after? If I am not mistaken, magnets are not really needed in this experiment, you just need that magnetic force. Belts and hubs of different sizes can give us a faster rotation applied to that motor that will generate your electricity. We have the technology, we can make it possible. Better, faster, compact and ever-charging your fully electric car. Power was always a main issue, especially with cellphones and only when they built better batteries did we get stronger and smaller phones? Same issue with the electric car, honestly need I say more? Play with the configuration and you can have a small box in the truck of your car (or work box in the bed of your truck) that with a pull and locking motion of a simple hinge lever that just pushes a stationary disk to a rotating one so an alternator can do whatever? For the electric car, have it built in so that this will charge the battery when needed? Commercial transportation anyone? Or how about a 5k version in the shed behind a house supplying current rather than being on the grid? How about a 20k running on a train to power the motors that turn the train wheels?

Say it's impossible, say it is with a straight face. Words from a society that live in a geocentric universe.

Once again, I'm 20% cooler than you.

\m/ Rock On \m/

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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

How about you knock one together and put it up on youtube? I'd be interested to see evidence of any working perpetual motion machine (because that is what you're claiming). So far, your description doesn't convince me, sorry :)


bhaskar bhardwaj 5 years ago

i m also working on same project.......

now i m in final stage.........

bhaskarbhardwaj08@gmail.com


kkayz 5 years ago

Any Success Bhaskar, long back i too had plans to try it, but could not coz i did not hav much time.


Kinnera shiva Prasad 4 years ago

Iam on a similar project to moove a vehicle without any fuel or water .... I have a perfect idea and I can & will do it. and ill follow your page for giving & getting Suggetions what I have

Kinnerashema@gmail.com


bhardwaj reddy 4 years ago

awesome but which i thought of making at present is already made


nobody 4 years ago

why paraglider, do u spend so much time disputing on free energy device. am on my self running power station writing this. so your sceptism doesn`t actually matter. nobody who successfully built a free energy device will disclose it to u. ok


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Paraglider 4 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

There's plenty of free energy. It comes from the sun. There are lots of ways to convert energy from one form to another. There are no ways to create energy from nothing.


vigneshwar 4 years ago

i can run an ele car with out manual charging . i did this project in my home small only . if any one helps me i can launch this project pleae help me

my mail id vigneshwar.vs@gmail.com


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Paraglider 4 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

I think you'd need a lot of help if you think you can make a self charging electric vehicle!


unclearty 4 years ago

I have been working on the same idea for the past 4-5 years and the first thing I learned through research and application is, you can not recharge the a battery while drawing a load off it. And belting alts to the rear axle will create a lot more drag than you might think, and higher the current higher the resistance. Here's what I plan on doing. Start with a med sized battery pack somewhere in the 40-45kw range, dividing them into 2 20kw packs at around 350volts. Instead of pulling the alts off the drive shaft, my alts will be driven by a system completely independent of the car, either a smaller solar charged system or driving the alts with a compressed air system, which I believe will be more efficient in the long run.


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Paraglider 4 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

unclearty - this article is not serious. You can't get something from nothing. End of story ;)


DAS 3 years ago

what if the axle was an alternator as well as an altrenator built into each front wheel. then add solar panels to roof and trunk and hood. if you only produced 75% of the electric used to operate the vehicle and could drive 100 to 200 miles and then plug in to home electric. wouldn't that be better than using a gas powered motor to run a generator to recharge the batteries? just a thought


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Paraglider 3 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

DAS - solar panels can certainly trap some useful energy, e.g. to trickle charge the battery when parked. But any alternator absorbs more energy than it generates and therefore can't ever give you a net gain. The article is not seri0us!


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Shinkicker 3 years ago from Scotland

I'm out of my depth so I'll avoid giving an opinion. But enough to say I'm the kid of person that would have believed hook, line and sinker that this could work.

It could'nt work, could it? :-)

Voted up anyway


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Paraglider 3 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

No - it couldn't work, just like you can't lift yourself up by your own bootlaces!


ravi prakash tripathi 3 years ago

I like it because I want to give a bike wich move without any fuel and solar energy


Atommix 3 years ago

I have run a car on water and have a powerful magnetic inertia free rolling generater ! Now let me explain if you set up a system that does not work than it wont work but is you set up a system that does work than it will work ! So you monkeys don't know how to make it work and claim it can never work hahahahahahah you stupid brain dead idiots ! A degree in physics hahahahahahahaha try quantum mechanics. I challenge you to think again this time set it up right ! Or ask me ! or forever bang your head against a wall . hahahahahahahahahahahaha


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Paraglider 3 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

OK, I'll call your bluff and ask you how to do it and if you can explain it convincingly I'll go out and make one myself. What I won't do, however, is approve a second insulting post. So, either state a convincing case, politely, or run along, OK?


Rajendra Kumar... 2 years ago

is it possible to drive the alts with higher drive ratios to produce high energy by consuming less from a source??? atleast for a small range???


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Paraglider 2 years ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Rajendra - alternators always output less electrical energy than the input mechanical energy. There is no way around that.


dasainte 18 months ago

I had the similar idea, And i believe it is possible with some added backup generating needed.


Chris 17 months ago

great idea


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Paraglider 17 months ago from Kyle, Scotland Author

Great idea for a joke, only ;)

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