Poem - Are We Brain Dead?

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Are We Brain Dead?

One night I was surfing YouTube and came across an interview with Allen Ginsberg and Neal Cassady. Please note that I greatly respect Allen Ginsberg's work but Neal Cassady is another story. They were engaged in very obscure forms of communication; sharing an inside joke and somewhat toying with everyone. There was much reference to the works of others and I became extremely bored with this so I decided to engage in some "smack poetry" from a Suburbanite to the beat writers and riders of the bus Further...

Do you believe we are brain dead
Shallow Suburbanites with no street cred
Incapable of an original thought
Because we have all been bought?

While you with all of your spare time
Are able to protest in rhyme
Tempting our flock
And moving the hands on the clock

Do you think we are cold and callous
Living out here in our “palace”
Unfeeling and uncaring
Never thinking or sharing

Our supposed ill-gotten wealth
Acquired with sinister stealth
To be used to acquire more
While others face a locked door

But it is us that make it easy for you
Because it is all you think to do
Your mind is free to choose
With no constraints, you cannot lose

Your heroes are on the road
Howling about their load
Riding further with vocal riffs
Pretending you have many gifts

Experimenting with freedom of thought
Glorifying yourselves all for naught
Living with nothing to lose or gain
You are able to explore your brain

But how easy it must be for you
With no one to answer to
No small child to care about
You just existed without any doubt

About your pioneering ways of living
But it was about taking not giving
As you smugly changed our world
Our morals to be forever hurled

Into a corner to be abused
Painted as something of a ruse
To deprive you of your extremism
Or able to live in your Nihilism

While you bellow and memorize
The words of others more wise
So you take and take
And then regurgitate

Their thoughts with a twist
Trying to give us a gist
Of your genius in poetry
But you only master sophistry

As you speak in starts and stops
Attempting to fool us flops
By orchestrating obfuscation
You captured the eye of the nation

You live in self-congratulatory mode
While forever referring back to the road
A trip of useless hedonistic eruption
Masquerading as true revelation

And what did you reveal?
Something that you should conceal
A high-brow conceit steeped in intellectual
Pretension ultimately altogether ineffectual

In changing the world in your image
Playing God with words you scrimmage
With the minds of lost children
Left disillusioned and barren

Because they bought into your delusions
Not knowing you saw them as intrusions
Into your bubble of pretended insight
So you turned their day into night

They ran to the West Coast
But found nothing but a ghost
Of an enlightened age
With few people quite sage

But they were not fed or awakened
Only left on the street forsaken
While you accept the plaudits
Of other frauds matching wits

With one another for what?
Just so they could mentally strut
All about the place
Pretending to care just in case

They were called on their addictions
So they fought against contradictions
In the way they actually lived their life
And the caring they projected about strife

We who must care for our offspring
With no time for free living
Exist wondering about your fame
When it seems it was so much a game

About how much you could consume
And make us to be the loon
Because you knew of the conspiracy
While we believed any theory

Of a loving God and benevolent big brother
Because we are stupid, incapable of reading the weather
Of changing times and mores
You keep us down with your stories

Of not being controlled
By those who you say stole
The truth from all of us
And threw us under the bus

Well, we are not impressed
So you can remain undressed
As the Emperor who sees only himself
And believes in his own wealth

Of mind and enlightenment
Publishing only excrement
Useless to the poor
What else do you have in store?

We await, breath baited
Your words of how you hated
Society and its norms
Your people and their scorns

Will once again attack
The suburban brat pack
So we work each day
And in the morning pray

That our efforts are not useless
To those who do not live like us
With our many blessings
We give our offerings

Freely and with joy
Each girl and boy
To transfer that which God gave
Because that is how we are taught to behave

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Silva Hayes 6 years ago from Spicewood, Texas

Wow, you have a way with words! Lots of food for thought in this one.


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thanks Silva. I just wanted to take up for parents who would have loved to run off to the West Coast and be a hippie. We aren't brain dead; we are creative and we think deeply about life's problems but we also tend to our flock.


David J. Merialdo 6 years ago from here and there. i move around alot...

very nice. i enjoy your rhetoric...


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thank you David... it's a long rant from an old yuppie who wishes he was a hippie but isn't so I defend what I project to the world while secretly wanting to run off to the West Coast blah blah blah.....


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BobbiRant 6 years ago from New York

This is wonderful, makes one stop and think. I love this kind of stuff. Great writing.


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thank you Bobbi... it's kind of a rave-up.... I enjoyed writing it as it flowed very easily that night...


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RunAbstract 6 years ago from USA

I really enjoyed this!


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thank you Run... as I said, I admire Ginsberg and decided to talk back 'cause I felt like it!


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PR_am 6 years ago from Oregon

Very creative! Keep it up:-)


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thanks PR... I'm feeling it!


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katiem2 6 years ago from I'm outta here

Very impressive and I love how you expanded on this thought till complete and exhausted of all in you all the while maintaining a quality and flow. You'll be happy to know I did not bounce along to any beat while reading this fantastic poem. Welcome to HubPages and Peace :)


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thank you katiem for reading (and not getting bored!) and commenting... I had a great time writing it (I think only writers can understand how writing can be classified as "having a great time") and I hope that something else along these lines comes to mind for me. This was one of those times when I didn't want it to end.


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ChristineRitter 6 years ago from Ohio

AMEN, Brutha! BRAVO !!!!!!


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Thank you Christine... I appreciate the enthusiasm for the printed word...

Cheers to you!


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suzzymilkmaid 6 years ago from pennsylvania

This was really well done. My step dad wrote something about being a hippie which I think is cute too;

I started out being a hippie and I guess I still am one cuz there's no way that I know of to stop being one. You can become other things but if you really lived the hippie life deep down you'll always be a hippie. I'm not saying this is good or bad I'm just saying you walk through life with a certain mind set that you can't hide or shake off. When I was young it was cool to be a hippie, now it's hard to live the hippie life. But it's still better than being straight.

Being straight is not a good trip. You start off going to school to learn how to turn your mind over to the control and power freaks. Smoking dope helps to stop this from happening but you still have to figure out how to keep yourself alive without selling your soul for a few bucks. Smoking dope will show you that you have to be free but it will never bring you freedom. Without freedom, before you know it, they'll dress you up in a suit and you'll be knocking at my door trying to sell me life insurance.


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Suzzy,

Thank you for the comment.

That is funny what he wrote... I think you can have the hippie mind-set but you do have to live and it's hard to exist purely on hippie ethic. The thing I tried to illustrate in my piece is that some of the leaders of the San Francisco hippie movement (Ginsberg, The Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey etc) were actually working and making money while lost kids living out their fantasies migrated to California thinking they would be taken care of in a utopian commune. Most I believe were sadly mistaken. Jerry Garcia mentioned in an interview how their little world lasted for only a short while; then when the media publicized what they were doing in Haight-Ashbury the throngs of dope-smoking kids with no means of support began to arrive. So The Dead moved out!

I have a hippie mind-set but I also have two children and I have a good job; I can't "tune-in, turn-on and drop out." It sounds great but is it?

Being a lover of peace is good but don't wake up one day and lament your place in life; remember what Roger Waters said:

"No one told you when to run

You missed the starting gun"

I only say these things because you have to be smart about your choices because The Grateful Dead and hippie poets are not going to pay your bills. Unless you have an incredible artistic ability then in the end you are like everyone else. I say this not to quell your enthusiasm but to help you keep your head on straight. You can have a career and not be brainwashed. I'm not so sure my employer would be pleased to read some of the things I've written about on Hubpages but I guess it's my little freedom ride so I can express who I really am.


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suzzymilkmaid 6 years ago from pennsylvania

Hey poet, I really am impressed with your poetic ability. And I do understand what you are saying in this reply. The points you bring up are valid and for sure the hippie mind set mostly gets crushed by the necessities of our culture. But my step-dad is one of the few who has risen above the problems you have pointed out. Here is something else he has written and we have been milking cows for the last 25 years;

When we bought the cows (which was my wife’s idea)

everyone we knew agreed we had no chance of making it

work. I looked at the endeavor as a spiritual

experience right from the start. Getting the money to

buy the cows, finding and setting up a barn to move them to,

hauling away the manure with just a young green

pair of horses, and feeding them with no land and no

equipment was all one miracle after another for me.

For a year we milked the 30 or so cows we bought

and lived off the sale of the milk. Then one day the

man we were renting the barn from decided he was going

to quit his job and milk cows for a living. He

figured if idiots like us could make it, he should

have no trouble at all. So he wanted us out of his

barn right away. I remember telling Kathy we had to

wait for God to come into the barn.

Things got very tense after awhile because the

owner didn't want us there. I told a friend to watch

closely because I was going to pass a herd of cows

through the eye of a needle. And sure enough God came

into the barn in the form of a cattle dealer who moved

us to our third barn 50 miles away. After landing on

the farm a man I didn't know came up and told me he

was going to take back his mower. I told him that at

this point in my life I didn't think anyone had the

power to take away anything I really needed. He never

did take that mower away.


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

suzzy,

Thank you for the kind words.

Clearly there are always examples of those who can sustain themselves in ways that others cannot contemplate. It's a great story and you can only admire people like him and you who are able to do this. I never thought about milking cows... maybe that's my loss... Those stories should have hubs of their own Suzzy....


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suzzymilkmaid 6 years ago from pennsylvania

I did just post a hub about my relationship with my step-dad that you might find interesting.


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The Suburban Poet 6 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Ok... I'll check it out... thanks for telling me...


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

"Publishing only excrement- Useless to the poor" -Great post! I see so much "perfect" writing that helps nobody. I'd rather read true messages from broken English. Great post here Suburban Poet!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Micky - thank you for that... the other night when I was watching a documentary about John Lennon, he exclaimed: "There's all these manifestos written by half-witted intellectuals that nobody reads." That kind of sums up what I was saying...


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Dorothe Orr 5 years ago from North Carolina

I love this poem and your conversations on it have hooked me. You have a small undertone of pain (at the less than ideal suburban existance)& discontent, trickling through the poem and it touched me.

I grew up on a farm until age 10, then traveled exstensively in a military family. In the 70's escaped to CA & into the craziness of the era. In 80's & 90's lived in NYC then relocated back to rural NC when my son was born in '94.

The entire CA/NY experience was based on my participation in an industry (corporate music, acting/modeling, fashion design, etc.)that cut against the grain of my soul.

I looked at the journey as steps on a path and never judged. I encountered(and dated)many of the intellectuals, musicians and artists which your poem (and these posts) flow around.

It doesn't matter who or where we are, we are all subject to divine miscontent.

Never worry of or justify your path. Within yourself, you carry your perfect life.

My 16 year old son and I are living sparsely on 16 acres I purchased in '85 on a spiritual whim. It was in the middle of nowhere & everyone who knew me thought I was insane to walk away from the exciting life they perceived me to have. It took near total devastaion to guide me here and find the center. After traveling on Lear's, living in mansions, and being privy to the deepest (and darkest) torments of the "elites", I am happiest on my misfit laden, small farm in relative obscurity.

Being a loving neighbor, participating & baking for fund raisers, volunteering for honorable politicians (and presidents:), rescue groups and the school system, has induced more good than all the jet-setting/intellectual banter ever achieved.

In the end-and this is the hardest to grasp-the corrupt CEO's, politicians and abusers still harbor childhood hopes and dreams deep inside.

When is the moment when any of us makes contact with that buried piece and steps into our true selves?

I don't know, but having compassion for the journey will be what gets you there.

Ya'll are wonderful. Thanks for the enlightening discussions.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Dorothe - hopefully you have found contentment. I think the giving you speak of is watering your soul and you are blossoming as a fulfilled human being. it appears you have lived a very interesting life but found as most of us do, that indulgence leaves a large hole in our life. This is ironic given the pursuit of indulgence is supposed to help us fulfill ourselves yet in the end we seem to have gone in a circle and ask (Talking Heads): "how did I get here?" Thank you so much for your long response. It tells me that maybe we have connected....


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Dorothe Orr 5 years ago from North Carolina

I do tend to, as my southern grandmother would have said "go all the way around my ass to get to my elbow" (pardon the countryism)


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Dorothe - that's a good one... I'm pretty long-winded... I've been accused of not listening but instead only thinking of what I'm going to say next...


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Playdivadi 5 years ago from Cincinnati

I am IMPRESSED it was very creative,


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Playdivadi - thank you for saying that... I spent some time immersing myself in the beat writers and the beginnings of the hippie movement and I guess there were some things I felt like saying....


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Mousumi Paul 5 years ago

Beautiful.i enjoy it a lot


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Mousumi - thank you!


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goody7 5 years ago from over there under the sycamore tree

Interesting topic for a poem, I like it. When you get a moment you have to check out my greatest poetic creation, "THE BEER POEM". As a fellow poet, I think you'll like it.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@goody - thank you... I just kind of stumbled on the inspiration during a period where I was reading about the hippie movement... I read and commented on your beer poem already... funny...


Mysterious-lee 5 years ago from Texas

In reading your poem, i feel not only inspired by it's meaning but excited to know what i can learn from a person of great experience!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Mysterious-lee - thank you for commenting. The main thing is not to be naive and to understand that not everything is as it is portrayed in the media....


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Stigma31 5 years ago from Kingston, ON

I really did enjoy your poem, except I do believe that a good portion of the population is somewhat brain-dead today. They do believe what is being said in the media as fact. You are very inspiring. Thanks


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Stigma - thanks for the comment. I agree with the brain-washed comment you made. I just wanted everyone to know that I'm not....


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ChristianRecca 5 years ago from Rutherford, NJ

I agree that people should be practical about their life choices, but people like Ginsberg and Cassady should be celebrated, and I think your poem comes accross as being against their lifestyle.

I think you mean to say that people can't hang their whole lives on hippie dreams. This is practical. But if everyone behaved that way, you would never have Ginsberg or Garcia. There was a moment when these guys were the same as the kids who had nothing but spare time to protest suburbia. If they hadn't taken the leap, if they hadn't been full of themselves, they wouldn't be great.

There are a handful of artists who have written in their spare time and made it--Wallace Stevens and Williams Carlos Williams come to mind. The vast majority of the greats had no choice but to write.

So kids should nurse their unrealistic dreams, if they really believe in them; if they do, they just might succeed.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

WChristianRecca - thank you for commenting on a few of my poems. I wrote this thing a few years ago. As I commented earlier on this hub I was really trying to make a comment towards those who would glorify a lifestyle that in fact is for only a few people. Plus I am 53 and I have to admit I'm not impressed with Garcia's and Casady's failure to be good parents. I don't know if Ginsberg had any children as he was gay so obviously he was free to live. I love The Grateful Dead and I've read Howl several times and I know Ginsberg is one of the greats. But these people seemed to take on a mythic status and I wanted to contrast the life of those who go to work each day and then come home to take care of their children versus those who did not...


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ChristianRecca 5 years ago from Rutherford, NJ

I think you're right that the working stiff needs a hero, but the bohemian does as well. For those who really do choose to live this lifestyle, it is very difficult. They need their champions. I'm one of the working stiffs too, so I appreciate your voice. Let there be all sorts of voices.

I understand your parental aversion to anyone who treats their children badly. However, all artists have some sort of failing. Wagner was an anti-semite. Beethoven had a famously bad temper and was overcontrolling with the closest thing he had to a son. Bukowski could get loud and abusive with women. The list goes on... To a certain extent, art does come from confronting one's flaws or trying to transcend them, and so an artist with no flaws whatsoever might not be interesting. If we choose to only celebrate the perfect artists, we might not have too many to celebrate.

I will keep reading your stuff, SuburbanPoet. I am going to post a poem that actually refers to Neal Cassady, but it contrasts him to Mr. Cassidy, my old vice principal who recently died of brain cancer. The poem tries to say that the working stiff can lead just as heroic a life as the poet. Perhaps you will enjoy.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Christian - I know we all have flaws. I certainly do (ask my ex-wife). In reality I give everyone around me a wide latitude to live their lives:

http://hubpages.com/literature/Prose-How-I-Think

It's interesting to say that everyone needs a hero but in irony (if there is any to me writing this thing) is that my hero's are artists. I don't look up to rich people. I don't admire lawyers and Wall Street types. But I do admire people who are responsible towards their children and maybe you've just caught me at that time in my life where that has become paramount. I did all the things bohemians like to do long ago and then I had to start taking care of myself in more traditional ways because I didn't have the talent of a Ginsberg or Garcia to remain as I was. I had to get a job. Then the years passed and it obviously has had a bearing on my point of view.

There is an old saying: trust the art; not the artist... Yes we need art and yes it may come from a man who chooses to wear a duck outfit while playing a song as sweet and tender as "Your Song."


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Two Poles 5 years ago from Morgantown, West Virginia

This is stone cold truth! Don't hold back!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Two Poles - Thanks for the comment man... I won't hold back....


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Yeshuan 5 years ago from North Carolina

It is hard to take a person seriously when it is obvious that they see no merit in the way others think, especially the ones who disagree with them. No one's experiences are worthless. This is a damn good write and very thought provoking. Your passion shines through.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Yeshuan - Thank you for commenting. At first as I read your comment I thought "uh-oh, here it comes," but then you turned it my way. I truly appreciate your praise and this is a write that is coming from a particular point of view; everyone has their gifts but we also need to see the whole story and not believe hype; people are real and what seems to be sometimes is not all there is...


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Yeshuan 5 years ago from North Carolina

When I originally read this post a quote came to mind. Unfortunately, I can't remember who it belongs to. "There is a concept that cannot fail to keep a person in everlasting ignorance; contempt prior to investigation." Too often in a misguided desire to be right, we close our minds and fail to see the value of other's experience. From reading this and the comments that follow, I believe that you are not guilty of this. Stereotyping is something I can't stand. You eloquently described the inherent flaw of doing so.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

There is much wisdom in that quote. I am a very confused person about many things. I am a seeker of meaning. I try to keep an open mind but I do not wish to reveal what it is I really believe about life because I'm not even sure I know. I know I love my children and my family. That is what I know. The rest of my life is perception based upon my experience but I know I have not experienced everything. So I try to be cautious. But I can be aggressive at times about dogma and maybe I'm wrong to be that way. Just the process of thinking and writing helps me understand myself. So I engage in what I call "perspective writing" so I can be one-sided at times in order to empathize on the basis of a perspective that is possibly as limited as my own real perspective. Once I do this I feel I can understand others as well. At least that is the goal.

You know what's weird? Someone asked my permission to post this piece on their website: www.patrioticliberal.com. I was very surprised because I thought a liberal might object to my point of view here but it goes to show that maybe I engage in too much stereotyping myself. I openly asked him if maybe the piece was not from the right point of view but he said he liked it and there was room for this comment on his site. Pretty cool...


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justmyopiniontoo 5 years ago

Amazing poem, Enthralling enough to keep me reading till the end. Thanks!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@justmyopiniontoo - Thank you for commenting. It's a bit long for some but it was just right for me. I tried to balance the romantic view of the hippie ethic with the practical side of life....

Of course I wish I was a hippie!


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Freya Cesare 4 years ago from Borneo Island, Indonesia

Gee, Mark, I love your rant!

d ^_^ b double thumb up!


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Freya - Yeah I was ranting when I wrote it... It just poured out of me. It was very easy to write for some reason. Sometimes you just have your opinion so well established you can say it in your sleep.`


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bmukherjii 4 years ago

Outstanding creation. I could not resist myself from reading the whole poetry.


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

I met Allen Ginsberg once in Boulder, CO where he taught. He would have laughed at this, just like I am. You criticized Cassidy for referencing other works, yet this poem is wrought with cliche, and overused imagery. You have simply paraphrased many other writers, called it a rant, called it a poem, and called it your own. Neal would be laughing too.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@bmukherjii - Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it.

@David - Thank you for reading it. I did exactly what they did in the video. They were known for their obscure references. And saying that I paraphrased others is exactly right. I was making fun of them by doing what they were doing.... I don't know who you are but I got your attention so it must mean something. You admire "Neal?"


DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago

I admire the beat poets, Neal was more of a fixture but I appreciate his writing too. I like 'The First Third' but his poetic work borders on flattery or homage of the beats he was around. To satarize it shows you understand very little of beat poetry. A cliche is not an obscure reference, by the way. If there had been obscure references I might have recognized it, but since I didn't...


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

If you wish to declare your superiority then why not just do it? You may wish to glorify them. That's your choice. But I don't like arrogance and the video I saw was dripping with it. Why does this bother you so much? You declare that Beat Poetry is above satirizing? Is that right? Interesting because I was not satirizing it; I was making fun of two men who were full of themselves. If you read up on Neal Cassady you would find that he is not a person that ANYONE with a shred of maturity would emulate. That is the point here. But I guess you are taking it as if I am insulting you for some reason so you decided to come on here and defend them. Fine... knock yourself out.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Letters unworthy to be called anything

But cliche

Weeds masquerading as relevance

Yet you won’t look away

Why does my inferiority

Grip you so?

What unworthy utterance

Requires your scorn to show?

If you wish to make your mark

Then plant your flower

Rather than the stormy disapproval

Delivered in your knowing shower

Your haste in deliverance of your defense

Of a legendary but destructive existence

Reveals more of your own mind

Than my playful words of resistance


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

Nice Dr Suess, yeah I'm impressed now for sure. You need eyes on you bozo, you fit in suburbia so well that you need this so someone sees you as an individual. Keep trying, you'll get there. Besides I'm just using arrogance to annoy you. But to tell you the truth I am getting a little bored with you.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

What is your problem? Why are you so offended? You are showing a world class hang-up to join and insult me so quickly. Why don't you just type up your hubs and make your own mark?


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

You posted a hub, you opened yourself up to criticism by doing so. Maybe you should get out of the kitchen.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

But you have snuck in your ego with the criticism. You are telling me that not only do you disagree but that I stink as a writer. So why is that so important to you to come in and declare your superiority? You made your point but you are getting personal. You do see that right?


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

Oh absolutely. Again you opened yourself up to all sorts of criticisms. Anyone can pick up a pen and call themselves a poet. I refused to call myself a poet until I had been published. You picked up a laptop instead of a pen and published it yourself and labeled yourself as The suburban poet. You aren't living up to your moniker, and I can't stand "wannabe's". There is a difference, and the fact that you can't see that makes you a hack, and hacks suck. You should decide that you really want to be something other than a poet, I beg you.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

David,

You have anger-management issues... you have come on here and within 24 hours insulted me heavily. You have emotional problems that cannot be controlled. I would never say that to anyone on here. I picked a name for fun and you have taken it so personally that you are somewhat alarming... thanks.... I'll try to improve....


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

Awwwwwwwww, good luck. Go back to work at Denny's and leave the intillectual stuff to the smart people.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

So now you're telling me you hate Denny's too?


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cluebbert 4 years ago from Kansas City, MO

Could this be an idea for a new hub? Newbie attacks veteran's ability to write to drive readers to his hub to compare writing styles and ability. Ok. David you got me. I peeked at a couple of your hubs. I don't think it is fair to compare now. The SP has a 17 month head start. Let's revisit this is a year and see who's writing style is preferred. A nod and a wink to the Suburban Poet.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@cluebbert - Maybe you're right. I'm sure he got some attention out of this. It wasn't much fun for me though. I appreciate your support. I don't advertise myself as an intellectual or anything. I'm just trying to write what I think.


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cluebbert 4 years ago from Kansas City, MO

SP, you have over 1,000 followers and written over 400 hubs all in under 18 months! Keep doing what you're doing and keep the love coming. No need to drink from the haterade cup! You know what tomorrow is don't you? Another day to Hub! :)


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

cluebbert, thank you again. I appreciate it more than you know. I've had my moments of doubt in the past about my writing. But it was because of incredible writing by others; not by insults. But it is important to me to express myself however I do it because it helps me understand my own thoughts and it is giving me a journal for my children. They will at least know of their father. Hopefully they will be inspired in their own way to take up writing or any other form of expression. It is not a contest. It is a feeling of emotion. This particuar piece is something I did as a challenge to myself over a stupid YouTube video. If he had read all the comments he would have found that I actually admire Ginsberg very much. I read all about his life along with Ken Kesey, Cassady, The Grateful Dead and the acid tests. It was a very interesting time in America during the dawn of the final civil rights push and the protest of the Vietnam War. It took much courage to be involved and speak out. I know all this. I write about this on other hubs. But at times I challenge even the greats. I think Ginsberg can take it...


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

Cluebbert, I have been writing poetry for 26 YEARS, not 17 months. I have been published twice in poetry mags, I won a national poetry contest in 1998, and I have a chap book being considered by a publisher. I got a Hubpages account because the publisher told me I should. Any other questions?

SP, You said: " I don't advertise myself as an intellectual or anything. I'm just trying to write what I think." I have to say now that you are right, you never said that and I think I made an ass of myself. I'm sorry for making you feel bad, my tirade was unsolicited and unfair. I was horrible when I first started writing, you are better than I used to be. Of course I was in high school, but a start is a start. I just finished a divorce, I'm still a little bitter, and I shouldn't have taken it out on you. Again I am sorry, please accept my apology.- David


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

David,

I was hoping you would say something like that. I accept your apology and I also will apologize for my comments. I hope you get what you want out of Hubpages. I just write and have received a few comments on each hub. I haven't made any money and have no expectations. I also have no illusions about myself. I don't know what's good or what's not. I've been accepted here and that's good. Most of my work is more on an emotional level as opposed to true poetry. I know that. I'm just a person out here who has a hobby. I understand the pressure of a divorce. I've been through it.

Thank you again and if you wish I will delete the exchange and we will forget about it. Let me know ok? Thanks again.


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

David... one more thing... I owe you one man... all the excitement over this hub took the score up to 98 which is the highest I've ever rated! I don't really know what drives scores around here but it seems controversy is a winner....


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DavidPMcCracken 4 years ago from Springfield, IL

Ta-dah! (Takes a bow)


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The Suburban Poet 4 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Nice job...

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