Prose - Religious Zealots and Atheists

How did the universe begin? I DON'T KNOW. That's as sure of a statement as you'll get from me... but I'm so tired of the battle between two groups who think they know it all.... Please... leave me alone... you're jamming me....

Religious zealots
And Atheists
A match made in heaven
Or hell
Or in God's image
Or a monkey's
So very sure
Yes
Never in doubt
Listen!
And learn
You
"The undecided fool"
There is a God!
Bow down
No!
There is no super-natural being
So
Bow to me
God is superior!
No Atheists are!
Look it up
Where?
Google
A study?
Yes
But what about me?
"The undecided fool?"
You will suffer
You are too stupid to decide
Repent sinner
Join us you moron
Believers are saved!
Atheists are ethically superior!
Athests are possessed by the devil!
Believers are idiots!
But, but, but
Again
What about me?
"The undecided fool"
Is there a third choice?
Yes
And I've made it
Even if a third choice doesn't exist
In your world
But you may ask
What have I decided?
What do I believe?
That, my friend
You will never know
Because
It's my business
But I can tell you this
I will honor your right
To believe what you want to believe
And
I won't judge you
I won't recruit you
I won't brow-beat you
I won't declare my superiority
I won't say anything
Unless you force yourself
Upon another
In the meantime
I will believe
What I believe
And it will be my private party
Can you live with that?
I hope so
Because I'm tired of your fight
You were meant for each other
Maybe your child will have the answers
If you will listen

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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

Atheists and theists would have been a better pair of opposites. believers and nonbelievers. Where do you think that Christians are the only ones who believe in a deity? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Need I continue?


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Twilight - you are probably right but I am discussing this from my personal perspective... I don't have any personal contact with the other groups... I have people in my life who are Christians and they are highly offensive. Is it because they are Chrisitians? not necessarily; maybe it's a coincidence but the fact remains that they are extremely sure of themselves and are using the devil word about me...as for the Atheists they are quite clear in their self-image and you can find it here on Hubpages: they are sure they are superior human beings. I've run into their type before and it's the same thing. they want you to know they do not believe in a God and that they are smarter than anyone who does.

I'll think about changing it because I know not everyone is like that... this is directed towards those who are.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

Ok.. I made some changes because I respect your opinion...


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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

Thank you for the explanation. The point is that there is no proof either way. What does worry me though, is the "God created the world in only six days brigade".

From what I've heard, there is a vast percentage of Americans who believe that theory and deny palaeontology... even going to the lengths to say that "wicked" scientists manufactured fossils to prove their naughty tricks.

As I have implied, there are extremists on each side of the fence and they usually are so smug.

I'd like to push them all off their particular seats on that fence... and watch them all land on their fat, complacent arses.


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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

Suburban Poet, I am flattered. I would have said to me, "Bugger off and mind your own business", but Religious Zealots has such a ring to it. Thank you. (Blush!) But you shouldn't have. I'm glad you did though.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Twilight - I'm glad we had this talk! Many things that Atheists point to in defense of their non-belief are rational. It's the arrogance that bugs me. And it's on both sides of the fence... I truly don't care what someone believes but let me make my way in the world too... I believe in love and forgiveness and these types of things but I'm not going to sit here and tell anyone: "this is how it is..."

I'm not above considering another's opinion... as long as it's respectful as you were. I want to be clear on this one... some of my other stuff is intentionally vague...


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matt6v33 5 years ago from Bangkok, Thailand

The Beauty of it all, in my view, is that Man has been blessed by God, with the Power to Choose! (Free Morale Agent)! Thus Man Can Choose What His Creator says, and be Wise! or Man can choose what another Man has said, and thus be Foolish, Per The Creator! Pray this day, all will choose to be Wise! And Follow Him, and His Ways!

Great Hub!

Keep Going Sir..

Many out there need ones like U!


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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

Point taken. And I'm also glad we had this chat.

Cheers!

Ian


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Nan Mynatt 5 years ago from Illinois

People don't want to accept death, and no other chance to see their loved one, and some become religiously insane about heaven and hell. No one wants to believe that they will rot in the earth and never live again, and not even be a spiritual person. It hard to swallow and to equate. But if someone is near death they will always pray for God to heal them and let them live again. Life is not always understandable. I believe that there is a spirit that lives forever, just where I don't know. We did not evolve from the monkey or ape, and we are not not still evolving, that shots out that theory.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Matt - thank you for commenting; I appreciate you enthusiasm and open mind.

@Twilight - Cheers to you...

@Nan - I like your view point but the best part is that you seem to be open-minded and respectful... I don't know what to think about somebody waving a magic wand or an explosion from nothing that led monkeys to become people... I just don't know...


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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

Nan Mynatt, where do you get that idea that man does not evolve from the monkey or the ape. They and we have all evolved form a mutual ancestor. We are a form of ape. whether you like it or not. This does not necessarily preclude a creator, but there is such a thing as scientific evidence. And how do you know that we are not still evolving? Or do you prescribe to the "man has only been on the planet for eight thousand years theory". Thousands of years are a very small amount of time in the development of life forms.


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Kim Lynn 5 years ago

I was just going to add Amen to your poem, not for religious emphasis but to voice my agreement. I am so tired of "christians" and their judgemental attitudes. I hear very little from aethists, but I try to stay away from over-zealous people in general. Most religions have value, I just wish these over-zealous fanatics would "walk their talk!"

Many (non-denominational) Blessings,

Kim


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CheyenneAutumn 5 years ago

I have met athiests so mired in their thoughts and beliefs that they are a zealous as any other belief and believer. It all leaves me thinking we tend to worship our own beliefs and theories. In the long run all the debate and arguments will never changes anothers thoughts, acceptance for and of all is the only sane thing do to in these matters.

I hope you find rest in the matters of the mind Poet.. we are who we are, nothing more, nothing less.


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I have noticed what seems like an extreme amount of Christians posting Scriptures on Hubpages, especially when I go HubHopping! I believe there is a Supreme Energy, and I believe in reincarnation. There would be no reason to suffer and struggle if we could not use what we learned in another life. I just don't think this is the place for people to be trying to recruit people to their religions. For some reason my profile pic doesn't come up when I post on your hub, but am enjoying your work!


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Jaymeyaroch 5 years ago from Somewhere between today and yesterday.

I think that people feel compelled to write about what is a passion for them, and we are all emboldened by the internet. It is so easy to change things, and alter what is already there that the risk of offending is not as great as when we converse in person.

It also takes away all of the offense of believing differently than others. I believe that everyone ought to believe whatever it is that they want, even if it's against what I believe.

Maybe especially then. Good work, friend!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Yo bro! There is definitely evil. We have the republican party and the democrats who prove that every day. Neither are parties for Americans. They're both evil. Yet most atheists and worshipers support these crazy controllers.

When the religious do not support their brothers and sisters but support an injustice system run by lawyers with no checks and balances - they are supporting evil. They think they are patriotic. There is hardly a need to be patriotic to a corporation.

When atheists cut down beliefs because they do not see, there is hardly a difference.

God said to "love your brother as yourself." "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

When this basic law is abandoned by atheists or "believers, evil wins.

Peaceful people of Earth, of all faiths, need to unite against the beast that is blind patriotism to BUSINESS. Neither atheists nor "believers" can see the forest for - BUSINESS as usual. Thanks SP!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Kim – I like that: “non-denominational blessings.” It just struck me how important it is to love, forgive and be non-judgmental. All the other certainty about life and our origins just seems to cause conflict. Why go there?

@Cheyenne – thank you for commenting and caring about my feelings on the matter. I stand here doing the very thing I detest: judging others but it’s more of a reaction to a provocation. I don’t care what they believe. Just leave me out of it. If I’m hurting someone then yes; straighten me out… but don’t TELL me I’m going to burn in hell or that I’m an idiot….

@Jean – thank you for commenting. Yes there are quite a few Christians and they feel compelled to announce their belief. That’s fine. It’s the recruitment efforts and the feeling of how we are not their brother (like that Alabama Governor) that causes divisions in mankind. I don’t mind if a person tells me about their life and how things are working well for them. But not 24/7 and I have that in my life right now.

@Jaymeyaroch – thank you. That is a very healthy attitude and it tells me you don’t have a chip on your shoulder or massive insecurities.

@Micky – RIGHT ON! EXACTLY! Do you have hub on that? I need to check because you follow the same path as I. I’m not affiliated with anything or anybody except being good to people as best I can. Yeah… I point fingers at times and I have use profanity in my work but that’s because I feel the need to speak out strongly against people who cause turmoil in our lives.


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Wintermyst 5 years ago

Great hub. I don't think expressing your feelings even comes close to being judgemental. They are your feelings, how can anyone say they are right or wrong? It is how you feel. I know it also. Well done.:-)


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Wintermyst - I certainly appreciate that. It's hard to stand up for "what's right" without invoking some form of judgment. As you may have sensed Truth Soldier's comments on your hub along with another hub entitled "Why I am An Atheist" inspired this one....


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Wintermyst 5 years ago

I thought as much, but take heart. You are who you are and your beliefs no other human can touch because they belong to you. It isn't for anyone to judge them, if they try just consider the source. Someone just the other day told me not to stop calling myself a christian, and he is an athiest, because I am not judgmental. He said people like us need to stand up for our truths, then I asked him in all seriousness, if I yell like Truth Soldier, then do I become like him? I will not attack anyones beliefs, not even his,(Truth Soldier) because if I do, I am him.


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fi fi 5 years ago from Niagara, Canada

I really like the frankness of this hub...honest and unapologetic...great read :)


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

We are who we are. I don't call myself a christian. I call myself a believer. If you say, "I'm a christian" The first question asked is, "What church do you attend"? I believe that the many church denominations are a stumbling factor that keeps people away. God is the church not a multi million dollar building. The money spent on these buildings would feed the world. I know people who never miss a church function, yet they hate anyone who is different. To me, God is love. When we learn to love, then we've found the reason for existence. I in no way claim to know about heaven or hell. I hope for a reincarnation, but we shall all have to wait to see what God has in store for people all over this world of ours. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice my belief.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Wintermyst - in my opinion if you read the sermon on the mount and take it to heart then you will have what you need as a caring human being... and all will know you by your fruits...

@fi fi - thank you... I've added more lines....

@always - you are ALWAYS welcome here... feel free to speak. I found church members who separated themselvs from other regulars on the basis of having attended a certain retreat (Cursillo). They formed a sub-group then began the task of recruiting others... I just told them to leave me alone.. "I'm already in the building.. isn't that enough?"


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Elefanza 5 years ago from Somewhere in My Brain

I hear ya! I almost wish I had written this, it contains so much of what I feel. I used to ask a friend "How many sides does a coin have?" The obvious, gut response is two. Not until you find that slender middle between the two do you realize a third side exists. And it's a hard place to be, I think, because I read that we people don't like uncertainty. Yet maybe the only certainty is uncertainty...but even there, I don't know. It's rather frustrating to try to look at both sides and see the veneer of superiority each one has (prob reinforced by the extreme other). Yet the frustrating thing is that beliefs people hold -- however odd or enroneous they might seem at first -- are quite interesting to study because sometimes there is such an unexpected story contained within a person's choice to hold to a certain stance regardless of society's label. But we're missing out because it always degenerates into "I'm right and you're a loser." So lame. Good post!


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Elefanza - thank you for the thoughtful remarks. I'm just high-lighting the egoism and arrogance of both extremes. There seems to be an obsession with being "most holy" and "most superior."


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attemptedhumour 5 years ago from Australia

Hi TSP Yes a very wise way of viewing this hot topic. It is very hard to avoid this conflict, especially on hubpages, where it seems important for some people to emphasise which side of the fence they belong. You have found a very comfortable and sensible position where perhaps more of us could be enticed upon. A debate about the subject is pretty pointless really, as one side are as equally committed as the other. I know your intention was not to offend, and i think that you could not have done a much better job of achieving those aims, after a little tinkering of course. Hopefully those committed idealists will see the merit of your words and except that three views will ultimately remain. Great work. Cheers


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@attemptedhumour - thank you for commenting as you did. I didn't want to offend but I think my annoyance (is that a word) was evident. It is so much better to say "have you considered" or "this is why I believe but I know there are questions that may never be answered" than to hit someone over the head with self-important certainty...

By the way... Melbourne will always have a place in my heart even though I've never visited Australia as my Father (the one I keep writing about) represented Cuba as a gymnast in the Olympic Games held there in 1956 (two years before I was born.


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Dee aka Nonna 5 years ago

Great hub Suburban Poet. You know, I really, really dislike it when people push their opinion at me regardless of the subject, but you are right it becomes very offensive when it is about religion. Religion, to me, is a very personal matter. I am willing to share with anyone who asked me my beliefs but I am not going to beat them up with it. One other thing I really dislike is how people use the Bible as a weapon instead of a tool. Great hub, and great discussion. Really enjoyed reading the hub and what everyone had to say.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS

Dear heart, whatever else your poem has done, it has stirred the kettle all the more and cast a few stones of its own. I highly respect your position and frustration. -The battling and animosity it causes all seems so needless. How you start off is the crux of it. You said emphatically 'I DON'T KNOW". Neither does anyone else "know". But let the pundits battle it out. No need to give it impetus and get your own knickers in a knot, as they say. Hugs.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@Dee - thanks for the comment and you and I are on the same page. Tell me if I ask; but show me in how you act... but even that sounds judgmental.. I guess it gets on my nerves obviously...


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@nellieanna - good to see you comment sweetheart! yes.. I steer away from certainty in these matters. how can anyone know yet not only do they act as if they know they want laws passed on the basis of faith-based matters at times! Plus the other all-knowers (the no God crowd) declare their mental superoiity. Well being intellectual is only one part of it: the emotional side along with the spiritual side braids the mind together; arrogant declarations of superiority tells me they are deficient in other areas...

http://hubpages.com/literature/Poem-The-Braided-Mi


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS

I just visited that hub and left a comment, which may add another dimension to the premise. Hugs.


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas Author

@nellieanna - thank you and you are too good to me...

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