Self respect has to win the day !!!

For a long time I have noticed that my hub score is low compared with others on here but didn't take too much notice as it wasn't the most important issue in my life at all. However over the last two weeks it had plummeted;last week to 39 and this week at 43.

This I cannot put up with as first impression tell a lot and this being the first impression that new hubbers will see.

I did send a note asking for the reason why but no reply as of yet.

Everyone else in the 80s and 90s and myself at 43 !! A no go area for me I am afraid ;my self respect will not allow me to carry on in this way.

A little poem from me (below) and just want to add that even if I get no joy I will carry on reading your hubs .

I shall still link my writing onto FB pages and here's hoping that something may be sorted out !!

It saddens me to have to publish a hub like this one!!!


To understand

I do not !!

A score so low

Darkened spot !!!!


Is it this

Or is it that ??


Is slightly flat !!!


First a seventy

Then a sixty;

Before now standing

At a meagre forty.


My head held high

A self respect;

Will not allow me

To ever accept.


I hope it is sorted

And I stay on here:

My hubbing friends

I do hold so dear.


I shall be reading your hubs in a moment and my friendship with each and everyone of you means so much but so do the words:-

My head held high

A self respect;

Will not allow me

To ever accept.

Lots of love to you all from my little corner of Wales.


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James-wolve 3 years ago from Morocco

Hey my chwaer,Dont let the lowness of hub score make you down.Dont make it the judge to measure the quality of your poetry.You are great and your poetry is so beautiful and much pleasure to read.

Many blessings!

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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

Dearest Eddy,

I have noticed your very low hubber score, and I have always thought that there is something just not right here! I mean you constantly write and masterfully do so, and you include your very own photos and artwork, and I just am confused here, as to what in the world would make if plummet so drastically??? I am just bewildered. I respect you and your writing highly and your score should be well into the 90s or higher! God bless you in your endeavors and please know you are amazing. There has to be something amiss here in all of this.

You will be missed. You are a beautiful person with a loving heart, and Wales is blessed to have you. One last question, have you tried to follow the newly implemented "evergreen" standards with the 700 minimum words, etc.?

Hugs and love to you always, Faith Reaper

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Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

Oh Eddy, I have no idea why you have such a low Hub Score, because seriously your writing is amazing and there is no reason for this my friend. Please know you are loved and valued by many, myself included. I hope you get this sorted out and totally sending you love and good thoughts as always. Have voted up and shared all over, too!!

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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

Oh, also, I believe I read somewhere, that when one begins on HP, it is not a good thing to follow into the thousands for some reason starting out, but slowly build up over time, as they indicate that as meaning whatever, wasn't real sure I understood the meaning behind the reasoning there, but I do remember reading that somewhere, maybe in a hub of the what to do and what not to do?

God bless, Faith Reaper

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Oh thank you so very much James my brawd.Your kind caring and supportive words mean a great deal and so greatly appreciated.

Enjoy your day.


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Same DiNamics 3 years ago from Maryland

I'm still sorting out what all the hubber score means and how to get higher. I was at a zero the other day. Of course, I just joined now I'm at 23... I'll get there. Your score will get back to where it needs to be.

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Oh thank you so much Faith Reaper and I know that I shall never'leave'hubpags as it is too special for me ; however I shan't be publishing another hub until this is sorted.Maybe I shouldn't take it to heart but it is there everyday in front of me. Your wonderfully kind words mean so very mcuh indeed. Have a great day and I am calling over yours shortly to read your latest. Lots of love from my little corner of Wales.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Oh thank you so very much Janine and here's to so many more hubs/posts for us both to share for a long time to come.Lots of love.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thanks again Faith Reaper and I shall certainly hunt that one out.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so very much SameDiNamics ;your comment means so very mcuh indeed.

Enjoy your day.


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bravewarrior 3 years ago from Central Florida

Eddy, I have no idea how the hubscores are calculated. It seems mine goes down when I post, which doesn't make sense. You are loved and respected by your followers and I, for one, value our friendship tremendously. I think what matters more are the page views. You must have tens of thousands because I see how many comments your hubs receive. I have a decent hub score and have actually reached 99 three times, but I've yet to earn my first $50. I don't understand the scoring methods but I do understand the comraderie we share on this site and I understand the freedom to write from the heart. I hope you continue to write because I look forward to you starting my day with your beauty and love. I truly hope you stick around. We need you!



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BNadyn 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida

Hi, Eddy

This saddens me, too that you had to write this. I have wondered that also when I noticed your score, I don't know much about how the scores work but figured it was a mistake. You write so often and beautifully, I've come to enjoy reading your work weekly and the pictures are always well done. Don't let your spirits get down and hope this all gets straightened out soon.

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so much Shauna and your comment means so very much indeed ;I shall not be leaving HubPages as it and all of you my wonderful friends mean so very much to me.

I shall continue to read all your hubs and maybe now that I have aired this problem it may settle down into insignificance once again.

Have a wonderful day my very dear friend.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so much for this wonderful comment also BNadyn and I am hoping that now I have aired this problem (as it's been niggling away at me for a while now) it will fade into insignificance once again. I shall not be leaving hub pages as it all means so very much to me.The community and all of you my wonderful and treasured friend are like no other.

Lots of love to you my friend.


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moonlake 3 years ago from America

Eddy, There is no excuse for your score being that low. You have been here for awhile and you comment often on hubs. I have noticed the profile scores going down when they should not be going down. Mine was headed down when I was getting double the traffic and it had not been that low in ages, that did not make sense. It has finally started to level out. I would complain on forums they seem to pay more attention when you put it out for all to see. Hope you stay around.

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MickeySr 3 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

Eiddwen ~ I don't 'get' any of it, and don't pay much attention to much of it. My current scores have been in the 90s and I've no idea why, my hubs seem to be so poorly visited . . . I do the 'Perspectives:' series with several other hubbers and month after month their 'Perspectives:' hubs are followed by a long list of comments that continue on for weeks - my 'Perspectives:' hub might get 3 or 4 comments besides those from my fellow 'Perspectives:' writers.

I don't know what it is . . . my hubs tend to be a bit conceptual, philosophical, big idea kind of concerns and I'm sure that doesn't have a common appeal. I think I actually write fairly well, no worse than most others that I read here, so, I think, is it the subject matter or my own approach to it, or is it more a matter of building a large base that comment on your stuff if you comment on their stuff, etc . . ?

At any rate, I love to write, so I write and let the chips fall where they may. I have a few very faithful and very encouraging folks who seem to read and comment on just about anything I publish here, and I appreciate them very much. I would encourage you in this regard; you have nearly a thousand and a half 'followers' - I have less than 200, so . . . it is tricky business; a writer kind of needs an audience, but not necessarily a big audience or even a 'we're with you' or 'you're so good' audience - but we do need a responsive audience, some notice that we spoke or else, what's the point? I write because I love to write - but I'm not sure I would publish if no one ever seemed to take notice.

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billybuc 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

Well done, Eddy! I had to learn long ago that hub scores do not reflect on my writing. You know that as well as I do. However, your point is well taken about the image that your score presents to other Hubbers. You have a right to be upset and it upsets me more that you cannot get a response from HP......ask Simone...she is the only one at HP who seems to find the time to respond to emails.



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kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

Dear Eddy! I am sorry that your hubscore is low but I am even more sorry that you take that personnaly. You shouldn't let that ruin your creative spirit be taken by that. You write beautiful poetry with an heart of gold and everybody appreciate so much what you do as a writer and a photographer. You make us discover beautiful corner that a lot of us might never see if you wouldn't share it with us.

I must say that I have no clue how the score is calculated. I don't know if it's a kind of informatic robot that calculates, the lenght of what you write or the number of words + the number of followers + the number of questions you answer + whatever else they can add up to the equation.

Just remember that you are loved and appreciated by your followers.

As BillyBuc is suggesting maybe you should write to someone at hubpage that answer his or her emails. And Simone is indeed a good suggestion. If you don't have the email address of Simone, I can send it to you.

Have a wonderful day.... and please continue to share with us your beautiful poetry :-)


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breakfastpop 3 years ago

Two things... First and foremost you are an amazing talent. Second of all, this wouldn't be the first time that HubPages made a mistake. Hang in there and stay where you are. They'll sort it out.

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Ghaelach 3 years ago

A very sad hello Eddy.

Sad, because of the way you feel at the moment. I was in the low nineties then I published two hubs in short succession, and my score dropped to 86 and took well over a week to get back to 91 now it's back to 89. Why I have no idea. The reason why yours has fallen so low is a wonder to me as with every other hubber on HP.

I do think it only fair that either Matthew or Simone, as they are in the know at HP - HQ, not only to let you know what you are doing wrong and don't know it, but to let all our fellow members know what this hub score is and how it works.

I read the comments on your hubs and know how much you are loved by your fellow hubbers. If as the moderators say, every thing is read at HQ, so I hope they read all the comments in this hub and give you an answer to your question that you truly deserve.

Don't get to downhearted or dispirited because you have many friends here on HP wishing you well.

LOL Ghaelach

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so much moonlake for this kind and supportive comment ;and this is what HPs is all about !!

Support and care;which is what makes it such a great place. Having aired what has been bugging me for a while now I feel better about it and will never leave.Thank you do much again for this great comment. Lots of love and hugs.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you also Mickey Sr ;this comment means so very much and I greatly appreciate.What a wonderful community this is and you are so right it is not about a high score it is about all else that matters. I do not think much of this useless scoring system but so what ; I gain far more than that.

Here's to so many more hubs for us both to share on here.

Take care


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Hi Billy and thank you also !!I have now aired what was niggling away for a long time now and feel so much better about it all now.However i am determined to get an explanation so will take your advice and contact Simone. Have a wonderful day my dear friend.

Lots of love


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Hi Joelle thank you so very much for this wonderful comment and it means so very much.

As I have said above I feel so much better about it since I've shared what's been on my mind and will not be gong anywhere and I shall continue posting.However I would like an explanation so if you could send me Simone's email I would be so very grateful.

Thank you so much again and lots of love.


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kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

I just sent you her email through the email system of hub pages :-)

I hope that she will be able to help you!

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so very much breakfastpop and your comment. greatly appreciated.

I am feeling better about it now but still hoping to get an explanation.

Have a wonderful day my friend.


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you kidscrafts.

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Oh thank you so mcuh Ghaelach and your comment means so much.I am feeling a whole load better now and have been given an email link to contact Simone;however I am going now where ;how could i with all of you my wonderful friends on here.

Lots of love


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always exploring 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

Eddy, I can't believe your hub score is not 100, it should be and that's no bull. I know a hubber ( no name ) who has left HP and only returns infrequently and maintains a score in the high 90's, it's not fair! It is true, people judge your writing skill by your hub score, let's be truthful here..I hope they return your inquiry. Please let us know. My score was 93 last week, then went down to 91, now it is 89. I think i read somewhere that your score rises according to how many people look at your profile page..This makes absoulutely no sense to me. Please don't leave HP. We all love you and your beautiful work.....

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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I had been meaning to write you about this and say I was sorry. They somehow messed up and gave me your points, and being the devil I am I did not tell anyone. I note you are going back-up already.

I am perplexed by this --- I had some nastiness go on between me and some folks I think are bullies. Every morning I expected to see repercussions for this mean streak in me, but my hubber score just kept going up -- weird.

As for me, I will for the next week, visit, vote up and comment on your great hubs. I know it is just little old me but I can at least do my part to support a great hubber and even better friend.

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janetwrites 3 years ago from Georgia country

I'm so sad to hear that you are concerned about your hubscore. But you shouldn't take it personally. What really counts is your writing. You are such a wonderful poet. I have only met you recently but when I looked at your profile I honestly didn't take notice of your hubscore. I just read your fascinating profile and I was looking forward to reading your poems. Now I'm a real fan of your beautiful poems and pictures. If someone is really interested in a person and his work he would not mind how low or high a hubscore is. I don't understand this system. I have only 6 hubs and my hubscore was somewhere at the 80's or 90's. Then I changed my profile picture and now I have 99. Strange! Has it really something to do how many people look at your profile page? Anyway, please keep up your wonderful and inspirational work. I hope you will get an answer what's going on with this hubscore system.

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kj force 3 years ago from Florida

Eiddwen...I too have experienced several changes over the last few months...followers who are not making comments, probably not even reading my writes...yet in the past always praised my creativity.. and I always take the time for those I follow to make every comment personal... right now I have 423 hubs to read and comment on..( been under the weather )..many of my hubs have fallen down even though I try to revamp I guilty of offending my followers ?...don't know....I will continue to write as always, it's " medicine " for my soul....I have always enjoyed your writes and pic...If nothing else write for YOU......

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Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

I know just how you feel, well kind of, I am in a snit about being at 90 right now having just published a hub a couple days ago, getting good hits, visiting others. I wouldn't know what to think going to the 40s. Is it possible for an enemy to vote you down to that? That is the one thing about this place we are never going to understand and that is their scoring. What do they hope to gain being so unjust, no matter the reason? I wish I had any idea to help you but I do not. I can vote this up and share it.

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MrsBrownsParlour 3 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

I cannot imagine why your score would be so low, as you have so many followers and I am one of several who try to comment on every lovely thing you write. Perhaps there is something in their algorithm getting triggered wrong? Do not let it bother you---we all love you, and I have seen you recommended several times in others' hubs as a poet to read. There has to be something wrong and it's not you. You are a treasure!

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AudreyHowitt 3 years ago from California

Hope this gets straightened out Eddy!!

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marcoujor 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

Thinking of you, eddy...and praying this nonsense gets worked out.

Hold your head high and please keep writing somewhere! Hugs, mar

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hawaiianodysseus 3 years ago from Southeast Washington state

Eddy, I never did take a good look at your score. My eyes always gravitate to your title and the beautiful lead-in photo before I settle down and chill in the bubble bath of your poetry. It saddens me that HP has not responded to you. I agree with Billy, though, that direct contact with Simone, who also happens to be another hubber and thus is easily accessible, should provide you with some direct answers. Most of all, I feel like part of me is ripped out because of your announcement. I stand by you, of course, and agree wholeheartedly that self-respect is vital, but please know that you will be sorely missed. Aloha, my friend, and I encourage you to keep in touch, okay?


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Mhatter99 3 years ago from San Francisco

As far as your opening remarks, Hubpages is not a poetry site. Don't let a score change who you are. I and others think you're 101.

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Anna Haven 3 years ago from Scotland

Your pictures and words always bring a touch of beauty and a smile which would be sadly missed.

I think Mhatter99 put it perfectly.

I hope you get this sorted out soon. Anna

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Hello to one and all and thank you so very much to












Each and every comment has touched me immensely and this reply is to you and also to all my other life long friends on here.

Yesterday before logging off I sent Simone an email and this morning I read her reply ;so thank you Simone this is greatly appreciated.

From what I can gather there may be one or both issues may be responsible for my low hub score.

The first is that I may be following too many others and also that inspirational poetry does not score as high as articles .

I suppose I could look into all this and come up with an argument against this but I am going to try and remedy the amount of people I follow but as for publishing poetry well that will never change.

This has been niggling away for ages but since airing my problem it has slotted into place and again I realise that hubscore is not the be all and end all however I shall still strive towards a rising score. I have too much self respect today to leave things hover !!Plus I know that this is not a reflection on my poetry but if I deserves a high score then a high score I shall have !!!!

Thank you again to my wonderful friends who make HPs the wonderful community it is; regardless of high or low scores.

Lots of love to you all from my little corner of Wales.


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mary615 3 years ago from Florida

Good Morning Eddy. I hope you are feeling better and stronger today! When I first started with HP, tried my hand at poetry, and I am NOT good at that! Even though fellow Hubbers commented on them (bless their hearts), I got NO traffic from Mr. Google! I then begin to write "evergreen articles" and "how to's" and everything changed.

Your poetry and photos are beautiful and I appreciate them, but I wonder if Mr. Google loves you as much as we all do.

With much love and respect for your talent, Mary

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

I think there is a lot of truth in what you say mary.I am slowly learning a little more about scores and all else at last !!I If i am honest here Mary i think i just needed to air my thoughts and also to let off some steam !!I am still not giving up on my quest for a higher score but my work is not about money. I could as you say write "evergreen articles" or "how to's" but it just isn't me. So onwards and upwards I go. Have a great day my friend.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I do note a 58 and climbing. And soon to be higher. I must be off to read more of your great works.

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so much Eric;your support so appreciated.

Have a great day.


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Ghaelach 3 years ago

Evening Eddy.

Hey! not bad,

yesterday you had 39, this morning 48, and now 58. It's amazing what a little bit of ranting can do.

LOL Ghaelach

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so much Ghaelach ;I really do not like having a rant but as you say it does no harm at times.

Lots of love from Wales.


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grandmapearl 3 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

Dearest Eddy, you score 100 with me! I don't know what I'd do without your beautiful words, your awesome imagery and the bond we have between us though the miles are great. I send you a huge hug and all the support I can give you. I hope it reaches Wales in split seconds!

You're the best my friend ; ) Pearl

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AliciaC 3 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

I'm very sorry that you are undergoing this experience, Eddy. I hope things turn around for you very soon. Best wishes!

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BlossomSB 3 years ago from Victoria, Australia

Eddy, you have a heart of gold and put so much into your hubs. I, too, hope things turn around for you soon. Blessings.

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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

Aw, Eddy, you shall always have your self respect, even with a low score! That score is someone or something else's subjective value placed on your worth. You, my friend, in my opinion, should have self respect simply because you write with integrity. You have many friends on here that would agree with that, I'm sure.

I've also noticed that the score fluctuates according to commenting, hub hopping, forums, publishing,'s all a big giant analogue that is not really reflective of what a real person necessarily has time to accomplish every day.

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aviannovice 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

I have no idea what it means, either, Eddy. I wrote an extra story this week, and my score dropped too.

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Gypsy Rose Lee 3 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Eddy I'm with you 100%. I don't understand how your score can be so low. You are a wonderful and talented poet and you combine your beautiful work with such lovely pictures. My hub score is attached to a yo-yo string but it fluctuates between 88 and 93 or so. Hope you get it all straightened out. Hugs.

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Fossillady 3 years ago from Saugatuck Michigan

Eddy, I had no clue that your score was low and now that you brought it to our attention, it doesn't make any sense and saddens me. I don't blame you for being upset and encourage you to continue with head held high! Hope you get some answers, Hugs, Kathi

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shara63 3 years ago from Delhi

Hey dear, low HP score never decides a hubbers grade or status.... its their work..their poetry, that gives them their due recognition...and everybody here is aware of the kind & Class of poet that speaks in your poetry with all feelings & emotions that glides through heart to hearts so compfortably!!.....I'm sure, Hp is going to realise this very soon & things will turn to your favour...cheer up dear ...All the Best!!

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Cantuhearmescream 3 years ago from New York

All I have to say is they're out of their MINDS!!!! I just saw 58? Well I was just about beside myself, but I see that's actually progress compared to where they had you... I think somebody's jealous :D

Up and awesome!!!


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you to










for each and ever wonderful comment. Each is so greatly appreciated and here's to so many more for us all to share on here. i wish you all a wonderful day,.


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suzettenaples 3 years ago from Taos, NM

Eddy: Just getting to this. Wonderful words so eloquently spoken. I agree with you wholeheartedly and you have my unwavering support. I don't understand this at all. Your writing and poetry is so good, heartfelt and emotionally and VERY WELL WRITTEN HP. Sorry, I had to use the caps. I hope this is sorted out and you get a response. I have found that when HP doesn't want to discuss something they just don't. They ignore what they want and speak about what they want. Keep us posted and please do keep sharing on FB no matter what happens. Hugs from across the pond!

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so very much Suzette for a wonderful comment. your loyalty and friendship means so very much indeed. Here's wishing you a great weekend.

Lots of love


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Daisy Mariposa 3 years ago from Orange County (Southern California)


Your poetry and your photography are very high quality. There is much beauty and emotion in your poems, and your images are first rate.

It's a mystery to me why you have so low a Hubber score.

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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales Author

Thank you so very much Daisy.


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