Son Of Sonuvagun Part 3 : The Reawakening

Collateral damage?  Just a little Mein Fuhrer.
Collateral damage? Just a little Mein Fuhrer. | Source

Once again boys and girls!

This stellar-like hub will perhaps not be featured at all, but will certainly serve the purpose for which it is intended. That is, an idea exchange between writers which does not presently exist on the forums. And since I've finally been permanently banned from the forums it gives me and other such martyrs a place to vent and opine.

I will endeavor to include all of the bells and whistles--including polls, maps, photos, etc.--to attain “featuredom” for this hub, but still, I’m not promising anything. It really makes no difference to me though, especially with the MTurks doing the rating.

I will place this particular hub under the category of Creative Writing. I assume there will be some of this in the comments, if not in the body of the article itself. However, I will take short stab at it to make it appear for real, so bear with me!

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All God's Dogs.....

The old dog was lost. He sensed something familiar in the air though, smelled a scent so faint, so homey, he began to drool a bit at the aroma. He had been here before, had certainly visted the area in his long lifetime, but he still could not place the memory.

The woods were cool and shady. A sandy lane wound through tall trees as the evening sun shone through the leaves and needles of the various foliage adorning the limbs of the forest. It seemed so familiar here, so…….

Suddenly a rabbit ran across the dirt road, and Rags--the old dog’s given name--couldn’t resist giving chase. He picked up the rabbit’s scent easily enough, felt it rushing hot into his nostrils as if he were a young pup again. He leapt logs and streams, scurried through briars and thorns, ran until the prey was right in front of him, hopping and running for its life.

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Another Chase!

But then old Rags eased up, let the creature gain some distance on him and eventually escape completely. Strangely enough, the hound was not tired at all, was seemingly unaffected by the long race. And it was a good thing too, as all of a sudden a red fox appeared in the clearing, and the race was on again……

After a while of chasing the red fox and letting the vixen escape as he did the rabbit before, he spied a familiar figure walking towards him. The man’s scent was of an aroma he had not smelled in more than a decade of his long dog’s life. “Howdy ole Rags,” said the man “member me?” He did indeed…..

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In Another Place

As the little boy sobbed uncontrollably, the old man tenderly rubbed the grizzled muzzle of the ancient hound, still warm with the last vestiges of life which had so recently fled the weary old body. The little boy unashamedly shed tears down on the old canine’s nose. The hound had always been around since the child had first arrived in this world. He could not fathom life without the canine in it. “Is he daid now Granpa?”

At first the boy's grandfather didn't say anything, seemed not to hear the child at first. He took off his coat--well used it was, but clean--and wrapped it tenderly around the old dog's body before saying, "Yep, he’s in Hound's Heaven fer shore, honey!”

“He served his time on earth well, shore nuff,” the man said “alus give his best in a hunt, whether it ’ud be a coon er a rabbit. Now he’s in Hound’s Heaven ef thar’s sech a place, an’ thar is, or I ain’t a-thankin’ thuh lord’s a-gettin’ his way bout sech things. Yep he’s gone now. He uz just 2 yars old when his old master died an’ I took ‘im home with me. A good ole dog, fer shore."

Azaleas in spring
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Abandoned house where the azaleas bloomed.
Abandoned house where the azaleas bloomed. | Source
A typical "Carolina Bay" in Southeast Georgia.
A typical "Carolina Bay" in Southeast Georgia. | Source
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Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

This was an awesome story Randy. It was worth reading, for sure. Write some more fiction for me please?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LOL! Becky! It was all in fun donchaknow! :) Thanks for being your usual loyal self. I've grown to depend on you being the first to comment on my short tales, and this is one of my shortest! :p


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Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

It may be all in fun, but it was still a good story. Some people can write a better story by accident than others can trying. If you tried, you could write a best seller. Of course, you would have to quit being so cantankerous. LOL


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Reality Bytes 3 years ago from Freeman On The Land United States of America.

Here is a new one.

I had a hub getting around 2000 hits a day. All of a sudden, I am getting 200 a day, couldn't figure out why. After a few weeks, I noticed, someone moved it to a different category. WTF!!!

Am I not qualified to categorize my own hub?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Becky! I surely do love to spin a tale. :) Me cantankerous? lol!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Reality Bytes--No, even though it's your sub-domain HP has its way with your content. A sorta hub-rape as it were. :(


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Morning everybody.


zincsulfate 3 years ago from changsha

good story.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I second Becky, you should write a book. You have a way with words, a talent I don't possess and am mildly jealous of. You have the ability to paint a picture with words and that is a rare thing. You are wasted writing on Hubpages when you could be writing bestsellers.

Morning everyone!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Lovely writing, Randy.

Hello peeps! Checking in so I get notifications, but must return to grindstone as I have 30,000 words of translation to deliver by next Thursday...... arrrgggghhhh!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

A map, a poll, three photos! Excellent to see that once again you've taken the stellar hub guidelines seriously! Excellent work!


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suzettenaples 3 years ago from Taos, NM

Interesting story. It held my interest. Continue with short,short or short stories.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Yeah, the new hangout! Enjoyed your story Randy!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Amazon has finally stopped stealing my money and is showing some orders! You must write new hubs more often Randy, I am sure it had a direct effect on my sales.

Everything in the world is connected you know.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Sold a Singer sewing machine yesterday from a 3 year old hub that HP recently chose to re-feature. So thanks Randy!!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Whinge! No Randy magic for me. I've had a total of 18 Amazon clicks this month on here and on 4 other sites, and have sold nothing.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Does anyone else find this post humorous? http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/111222#post2374833

......or have I just got a sick mind? lol


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Good morning everyone, and thanks for the nice compliments on my short tale. I really didn't expect for you guys to actually read it and mainly used it for filler. lol!

Glad you sold something worthwhile, Izzy! I hope this month is better for sales than the last half month. Enjoy the new hub and hope it loads a bit faster. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm glad to see James' profile score is back up in the 90's where it should be. We'll never find out the truth from HP what the problem was I'll bet. Not HP's fault, I'm quite sure, it never is! lol! At least I didn't get permanently banned for nothing! :)


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I'm enjoying Horatio's input in this thread:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/111533


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Egad! I'm assuming the OP was really serious, WA? I'm afraid so! lol!


DJ Anderson 3 years ago

Randy, I was so excited to see your name and a new write. You are

an incredible writer and should be spending your time and energy

writing a book. A book of short stories about the deep south should

be your venue.

Never spend your time or talents in a place where your are not

appreciated. Life is too short to live in a state of frustration.

Save your strength and stop trying to train the cat to water ski.

If you are wanting to make money, HubPages is not the right place.

You have almost a thousand followers, Randy. That is a thousand books to start.

Get rid of your anger. It stands in the way of your creativity.

Yes, you have been wronged. Life is full of 'wrongs'. Have you

considered that all these 'wrongs' might get your cantankerous

ass moving in the right direction?

Save those great stories. Stop publishing those short gems elsewhere.

Compile a book. You have the talent to make it happen. And, you

have almost a thousand people who believe that you can make it happen.

This is the time, but this is not the place.

You are the man that can make it happen.

We believe in you.

DJ.


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

Yahoo a new hub! Great story writing Randy!...very descriptive and brought me right there....

Horatio's post was quite funny!...thanks for pointing that out...my morning chuckle!

Peace all....beautiful day here...time to start it....


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Our dog Ginger...never be another one like her.....

I'm glad too, that James score is up.

And I'm certain that you were personally attacked 1st, and often, in that thread.

It sure sux to be muzzled, while the others get free reign. And I hardly believe they are "banned at the drop of a hat"...pulleaze.

Oh well......as it was then, it is now, and shall be without end.

Cosmic Justice, baby...that's what I live for! :-)


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bravewarrior 3 years ago from Central Florida

I like this story, Randy. Why do you think it might not be approved?


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Cardisa 3 years ago from Jamaica

The last time I saw the word "egad!" was.....jeez.....I can't remember....lol I had to burst out laughing at your "egad!" in the comments.

Wonderful story Randy. You see how productive one can be when they leave the forums behind? That place is a cesspool!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Should I or should I not watch bbqt?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well I am, so I reckon you should watch it too. We can be shouting at our TVs in co-ordination.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Good idea! I'll hide my slippers just in case I'm tempted to sling one at the TV.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I remember the winter of discontent. I was only a kid admittedly, but it wasn't that bad. Methinks big exaggeration from the right.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@DJ Anderson--Thanks you for your support, DJ! And believe me, I'm not really that upset at HP as I've figured their racket out don't expect it to change very much in the future. And yes, I'm working on collection of tales as we speak and don't care to waste too much time publishing here.

Sorry to take so long but I've been out of town all day and just got in. Again, thanks for everything! :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Good for you Randy!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yo Someway! Thanks for the compliments! A beautiful day here also. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

lovemychris--I really don't care about posting in the forums, Chris. I expected to banned if continued to argue with the pets. It was just a matter of time and I was surprised I lasted as long as I did. lol!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Shauna--I'll be dogged if ain't already featured! lol! I wonder if Melissa rated it? :o Thanks for stopping by. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Great to see you, Carolee! The tale was just an excuse for the hub, but I didn't want to totally waste my time. Glad you got a few chucks too! :) Thanks for your time.


DJ Anderson 3 years ago

You just let us know when your book gets published.

We'll be a'waitin!!

DJ.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I certainly will, DJ! Thanks again. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Hollie, I've grown bored with HP and Squidoo and am ready to spread my wings. I wasn't going to start on another site, until I got to 100 hubs and 100 lenses, but I think putting some stuff somewhere else might make it easier to write somewhere.

I'm disgusted with myself, I've only produced 2 hubs so far this month. If you take into consideration the fact that I don't have a job, and really few distractions, I think you will agree that is unbelievable slothfulness.

So, does wizzley allow you to advertise zazzle products? And I assume it has a referral program, do you have your referral link anywhere?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Morning everyone! :) I received this message from the "Hub Team yesterday:

"Continuing to insinuate that HubPages employees are biased will result in a permanent ban of your account."

Of course, no one is brave enough to put a real name on the email. lol! ooooooh, I'm frightened. :o


worst-of-hp 3 years ago

Is it still couth to insuate that HubPages employees are morons?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ha! We are no longer silenced. I couldn't post anything in the morning.

I was going to say Randy that I was surprised by their message. I've never seen you "insinuating" anything. You just come out and say what you think outright!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ha, we can post. That's a relief. Randy, I had a completely different message for you in mind this morning- but I've forgotten what it was. Also thought that comments had been disabled. Thankfully not :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Worst--I suppose that's still okay! Besides, you are undoubtedly full of couth! :p


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

lol!aa--I was thinkin' the exact same thing. :) Never been too good at beatin' round the bush!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hollie--Hope it wasn't the secret to making millions.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, please. If it was we'd all be in my most coveted destination which I simply cannot afford; Ecuador! Anyway, as we're not and I've had a think about it, I was going to ask whether the email was pertaining to your forum posts or hubs. Sent you an email, thought comments had been disabled on all your hubs!

But for now, please excuse me. It's my beautiful daughter's sixteenth birthday, the 13th of April, and we're about to have a massive hug!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

By all means opt for the hug, Hollie! Enjoy the birthday! :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Randy, while we thought comments were going to be disabled here, Hollie and I were hatching plans to start an off-HP forum to keep the lines of communication going. We really enjoy having this place to pop in and chat. And it's so useful, you helped me unblock my sink!

So please don't get banned, it just wouldn't be the same. I guess we could always go back to Mr. frilly pants, but......this is a lot nicer.

I think everybody knows how you feel about the site, talking more about it won't make any difference. People usually don't believe something unless they experience it themselves.

Personally HP has been pretty good to me, 2 HoTDs and Simone has always been extremely nice in all personal communications, so I can't really complain.

I did get banned that one time for a completely ridiculous reason, while people who were pretty nasty to me on forums seemed to get away with it. However, I never reported anybody, the idea is ridiculous to me, so I guess I just have to accept that this is how it is going to be.

The fact is the people who jump on the forums to defend HP will always be doing that, so really there is no point in arguing with them. Nothing that you say will ever change their minds.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I suppose you're right, aa. HP is not going to change anytime soon. It doesn't hurt to keep them on their toes though as I've witnessed what happens to a site when all complaints are quelled. Not a pretty sight(site?).

You see what happened when some of us got in behinds James' problem. It suddenly cleared up as if by magic when he had no success alone. Coincidence? What do you think? lol!

I'm pleased you are happy with HP, but I suppose you don't have the past site to compare it to. Almost everyone from that time is gone now, or is working on their own sites now. And perhaps HP will regain some of their former good Google graces. Who knows?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep I agree the James situation was very strange. It definitely looked like human interference and the way it cleared up was amazing. That definitely smelled fishy.

I didn't say I am happy with HP, I just said they gave me no reason to dislike them, they didn't personally do anything bad to me as far as I can tell.

Really I only care about getting traffic, now that I am getting a bit of traffic, I feel better about writing here. HoTDs, accolades and all the other stuff really doesn't mean anything.

I'm just saying I hope you don't get banned! The place is better with you around.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks aa, I'll try to not let mouth overload my ass! lol! You know me though, sometimes I just can't resist putting my two cents in. Perhaps HP will be satisfied with having me muzzled everywhere but on these hubs, so I'll probably be safe for a while anyway. :)


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

hey all....yes...Randy...i hope you don't get completely banned....so HP stepped in and slapped both of you?...i hardly doubt it...probably just you...and the other is mia for a bit ...looks good

anyway....have you heard from Chip?...i should check the threads to see if he's been around incognito


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hey Someway, no I haven't heard from Chip in a while. Not since he closed down his FB page. He said he was getting repeatedly spammed by someone, so I dunno. Hope you've gotten settled in your new digs by now. I hope Raven has grown accustomed to the new place too.


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

hope he is okay..........

Raven is finally settling in...she likes her property. there is a security breach somewhere though and tomorrow I'm going to follow along the fences see where her buddy managed to escape from the other day....ha ha ha...met one of my new neighbours with the escapee by the collar.....

me?...well, I have more to unpack ...from storage...a bit at a time....i need to set up my music collection badly though...i've missed it for so long...can't wait to play some albums........i'm settling in nicely. thanks for asking...

well...off to make some dinner...i'll check in later....

n.b...hope you are getting stronger every day..


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yep, doin' fine now, Someway. Sure thing, can't do with without the jams for too long at a time. Not good for the soul. See ya later! :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Yes Randy, please do not get banned. As I said to aa, visiting this place is akin to going for a drink with colleagues after work! Losing you would be like losing the friendly and familiar landlord of the local. The meeting place would never be the same again!


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Yes, I like coming here as well. I think an off-HP forum might be the way to go though.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I am seriously thinking about writing for this week's topic inspiration (Oprah book club), the topic originally made me feel some low level free floating hostility, then I inadvertently wrote something on the forum thread.

Then I found myself thinking about why I disliked the topic and Oprah all of yesterday. And today I looked at a hub about it (not the HoTD). Of course it defends the club, and has a list of 10 books in the Amazon module. Author who somewhere in the comments says she's mad about books, doesn't say anything about them, except their average "stars" on Amazon and how much they sold when Oprah elevated them to bestseller status!

See that is exactly it! That's the Oprah effect and that is why I hate it. But I can hardly get away writing a hub criticising somebody else's hub! I'm guessing that would be "uncollegial". But it would be good to exorcise all these angry thoughts. But I feel I would need to do more research, is it true she recommended Dickens while admitting she knew nothing about him! Or that she thought "tale of 2 cities" would get her readers in the mood for christmas!

Plus, if I wrote a hub, it is sure to become idled.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

An off-site forum would be a good solution were something drastic to happen to our arrangement. However, it means having yet another tab open on the browser! Also, the present way feels cosily subversive plus it gives Randy a few views to compensate for some of the ones he lost :))

I am totally contemptuous of all hype to promote "bestsellers", especially when it involves artificially manufactured "celebrities" (TV chat show presenters, reality show participants and the like). This really cripples our reading choice, because a few books get promoted wildly, regardless of true literary quality, while other equally good or even vastly better books die a death from being ignored. My favourite comparison is Harry Potter versus the incomparably superior Earthsea series by Ursula Le Guin. I gave up on Potter out of boredom (Order of the Phoenix is still sitting on the shelf unread; I received it as a gift when it first appeared in hardback). On the other hand, I have read the Earthsea books many times over and find something new in them with each reading.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Hmmm, I'd given up on the idea of writing the hub, but now you've made me want to do it again. The main argument people use to support the Oprah thingy is that it gets people (daytime chatshow watchers presumably) who don't normally read to enjoy books. Plus it is "snobbish" to think that only literary types can review books.

My argument would be: how many of the people who bought Great Expectations on her recommendation then went on to check out other Dickens books? Did sales of War and Peace rise after she got her "club" to read Karenina? I don't know, but I suspect not. Whenever I find a book I enjoy, I check out other books by the same author. That is what liking to read is about.

If people only read the books that she recommends, then they are not really discovering the joys of reading, they are just sheep following a celebrity.

Having said that, I liked Harry Potter, and have never heard of the Earthsea series. Did Le Guin write the Owl Service? I vaguely remember reading that in my childish days but might have got the writer confused.

Also I think people are rather naïve if they think oprah really writes the guides and responses to the books!

I will look at the mechanics of setting up a forum on yuku, just in case, then if Randy enrages TPTB again, or something happens we can put it in action, and i can contact you or Hollie by email with details and we can spread the word. But I would hope it won't come to that!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Nah that was Alan Garner. Can't remember reading anything by Le Guin.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Garner indeed. Another of my favourite authors. I enjoy reading high-quality fantasy written for children/teenagers. The Dark is Rising sequence by Susan Cooper, and the Snow Spider trilogy by Jenny Nimmo are further such examples.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I've never been a fan of Oprah's since she rose from obscurity during her early days as a talk show host. I doubt seriously she really reads all of the books she touts on her present show. She's made millions doing practically nothing as far as I can tell.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

My internet connection has been off for most of the day. Only just got it back, so bloody annoying.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hey Hollie! I managed to tear up the backhoe tractor so I'm now free to watch the Masters Golf Tournament. Funny how the timing worked out just right. lol! My internet connection costs me about $80 a month but it's pretty dependable.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Mine is usually, Randy. I was actually wondering if there'd been some interference because of the protests in London and Thatcher's death party etc. (just in case there's a riot) I know they don't usually do that but it seemed odd that it's been off for hours and hours.

Enjoy the golf, Randy :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Will do, Hollie! :) Tryin' to get some inspiration for a tale, but so far, no dice!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Try a glass of red or a nice cold beer! Get them creative juices flowing.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm contemplating a Fuzzy Navel instead. Not mine, the drink! :p


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

That sounds ominous, what's in it?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Vodka, peach snapps, and orange juice. Tastes too good though. Not sure it's good for inspiration but they go down easy.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

They sound lovely. I want a fuzzy navel. I'm just trying to envisage the bar man's face if I asked for that in the pub.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

A very popular drink here cross the pond. Surprised you haven't had one! Caution: A little of the peach snapps goes a long way.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I haven't Randy. I tried peach snapps years ago and thought that it was rather nice! I'm drinking some organic beer at the moment. I love the beers from the little brewers- they're lovely. Well, it's Saturday night after all. :D


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

My son gave me a beer making kit for xmas. It's warm enough now to run off a batch. I used to make it often but it has been a few years now since I last capped up a few bottles. I'll start a batch this weekend though.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Well, I've just downed a bottle of Chianti Riserva 2005, of which I found one solitary piece reduced to £4 in my local Coop. First drink since the celebratory bottle I had on Monday (ding dong!). I decided today would be a blow-out with lasagne and booze, and this fitted in very nicely.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Any excuse have a snort as it's Saturday! All of the liquor stores are still closed on Sunday down here in the Bible Belt. It really serves no purpose as most church goers usually stock up on Saturday anyhow!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Lasagne and booze sounds good to me. I've had mushroom pate on toast :(

My daughter's birthday today and she went to Blackpool with her father (God knows why, I hate the place) She'd eaten and didn't want anything else. Her an her friend are in her bedroom listening to music, so I'm down here with the dog, a couple of bottles of organic beer and an internet connection which is still refusing to behave.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Sounds like some quality alone time to me! :p


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

re: ding dong. Found a rather amusing letter in the guardian. This made me smile:

" It is quite wrong for people to buy Judy Garland's Ding Dong the Witch is Dead to mark the death of Lady Thatcher. Judge her as you will, she was admired around the world. Yes, even adored by some. And it is merely grotesque to link her memory in this way with someone like Thatcher."


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Well, I love my dog and I'm very, very fond of this beer- so it's all good. Seems odd hearing that you can't buy alcohol there on a Sunday, we pretty much have a seven day a week for anything culture over here.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

aa, that's hilarious.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

When I was a student in Bristol, in the mid-late 1970s, we would sometimes go to Wales for the weekend. The big downside was that there was no booze available on Sundays anywhere in Wales. Later, this law was demolished in a referendum, although the chapels fought hard to retain it.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You have to understand the mindset in this part of the world, guys. You can't sling a dead cat without hitting some sort of Christian up side the head around here. The nearest liquor store is about 10 miles away just on the other side of the river in the middle of nowhere. The river being the county line. My county hasn't allowed for beer to be sold but about 20 years or so and still no liquor o any sort.

This even though we are surrounded by wet counties. No telling how many millions in tax revenue my county has supplied for the surrounding counties over the years. It's the principle of the thing I suppose. duh!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

That would absolutely do my head in. No disrespect to Christians, but where does one group of people get off telling another group what they can and can't do. Where's the live and let live spirit?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It ain't in this part of Georgia, I'll tell you this much! lol! Judging others is big here despite what the manual says not to do. :(


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, sorry to change the subject, but I have to interject with this link. It is so relevant to the main picture in this hub!lol.

https://twitter.com/KarmaUnc/status/32321970822251...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha Ha, Hollie! Thatcher Youth? :o


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

And this person was serious. Isn't that scary, there you go, Thatcher youth. Unbelievable when you consider that most kids in the UK are taught about what Hitler did during the second world war in their history classes, but not necessarily about Thatcherism. Is this person just completely stupid, or completely bad? That's my question. I'll opt for completely stupid, I think.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Just stirring people up, I'd wager. But there are some awfully crazy folks out there.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Probably, possibly, who knows. My first reaction was that it's just some kid jumping on the pro-Thatcher bandwagon without realising what they've said.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

My feeling was they was stupid and didn't realise what they were saying. Absolutely no knowledge of history or anything, just needing to follow some ideology.

I've spent half the night learning apophysis and I think I've figured out how to do something cool! Will share it with you guys tomorrow, but I guess I should go and sleep now.

I prefer to stay up at night, but I don't think leading a completely nocturnal lifestyle and sleeping all day is very healthy. There is some theory that we need daylight.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I looked up apophysis. It is described as a "bony tubercle." ................Or a "Microsoft program." I assume you meant the latter?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

It's a fractal generator, so second explanation is closer. Wonder what a bony tubercle does?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I don't know, I was afraid to find out! :o


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

As the minority Tory here, let me say I am flushed with embarrassment at the idea of someone suggesting a "Thatcher Youth". Geesh.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

In the biological world, apophysis is a natural swelling or projection. Usually its used when talking about bones.; the bits that have a separate starting point for growth from the main bit. Botanists use the term in relation to mosses and conifers.

As for religious intolerance, I know someone who lives in a small place in the Deep South who is a closet Buddhist. He seriously fears he might be lynched if he told people.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Hmmm, I am actually related to some pretty fundamentalist muslims, and spent my childhood in a Muslim country. the Deep South sounds very familiar. I think there were some pretty hardcore Catholics on my mother's side, but they were relatively harmless.

One of the principle things I've found off putting about religions is that it invariable results in putting your noses into other people's business and making judgements. I actually suspect that that is its big attraction to many people. Technically there isn't anything in most religions instructions that says that is the number 1 point of religion, but I guess human nature just finds that aspect irresistible.

Mark Steel (lefty comedian) tweets: "The police 'ask anyone planning to turn their back on the funeral to let them know in advance'. Is there a special form?" LOL


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

So here's the bony tubercle I made last night. I've been trying to figure out how to make this kind of thing ever since I first saw them. Of course there is a very good and simple tutorial, but since I didn't know what the effect was called, I couldn't find it!

It is called the "splits-elliptical", if you ever want to have a go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/89854686@N05/86473532...

I also found something else i wanted to do is called "the puff", so now I'm off to learn that, and tweek my splits!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

EF, how old can this person be? Sixteen, seventeen, they clearly didn't realise what they were saying and are probably deeply embarrassed themselves now.

Cool re Apophysis. After a few frustrating hours I gave up. I'm so impatient and like to see results pretty quickly-not the best trait. Tweeking your splits sounds rather painful!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

aa that's absolutely stunning.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks Hollie, it is actually fairly simple to make if you have the tutorial (I can send you a link if you like), which tells you exactly what parameters to use and where.

What is nice about this is that there are specific places where you can change parameters and get different effects, without messing up the overall pattern, so tweaking the splits is actually fun!

I thought PDS said he was going to get into fractals? I need an apo buddy!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Like it! The colours are gorgeous.

Have visions of you puffing away as you tweak your splits...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Techie jargon! :p Good morning everyone! I'm glad someone understands this stuff. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Did you guys know HP takes away some of the accolades when they ban one from the forums? I suppose it's meant to be a form of punishment, but it is really sort of a joke when one thinks about it. They took 3 of mine away this time. lol! What childish people they have running the show! No surprise, of course. lol!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

That would be great, thanks aa. I'm now looking forward to tweeking my splits, something I never dreamed I would say!

PDS has been missing for some days, I suspect he has grown a beard and is thoroughly addicted to apo.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, if you carry on upsetting these people you will end up badge less. lol. Have any of you tried Duolingo? Totally addictive (and free) way to learn a new language. Fantastic!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

What accolades did you lose Randy? Personally I find the whole badge business quite childlike. I think the "views" one is a useful measure of hubbers. Ofc it is very inexact, there is a huge gap between 100k and 1 million, but it gives you some measure of how well somebody is at attracting traffic. Useful when so many people like to play SEO experts on the forums.

I have never heard of duolingo! Sounds great. My French nephew used to try to teach me French when he was younger, but now that he is 4 years old and wiser, he has given up and started talking English instead. I got an A in O'level French, but I couldn't speak it even in those days (formal education is all about passing exams rather than knowledge) and that was many summers ago.

I hope Izzy is ok. I don't think we heard from her for a couple of days.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I dropped French at school, I'm also of the O' level generation! However I did obtain Certificate in Spanish from the OU a couple of years ago, which is roughly equivalent to an upper level GCSE. lol. I meant to take it forward but then life and the fact that time impoverished got in the way. Duolingo is amazing, it's really addictive- I imagine this is how gamers must feel with levels etc.

It has been a few days since we've heard from Izzy, but she also seemed to busy planting and sorting the garden. Perhaps she's been taking advantage of the (relatively) good weather we've been having.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I don't "speak" most of the languages out of which I translate. I did get fairly fluent in Croatian when I lived in Zagreb, and later on in Spanish, when I was involved with a lot of Latin American stuff during my time in Bristol and Nottingham. However, it goes again very rapidly if there is no chance to speak. Five years on in Welsh, I'm starting to get some people tell me I'm doing really well as a learner, but again I don't live in a predominantly Welsh-speaking area so chances to speak it are limited.

Oh, I got an E in O Level German, but that doesn't stop me translating out of it, although it is my slowest and least favourite language to sue.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I quite liked Rosetta Stone for the opportunity to speak, you had to keep pronouncing words to progress- but that's not like having a real life conversation. I read one or two books when I was studying Spanish but kept having to refer to my Spanish-English translation guide.

To be honest though, I think my chances were also hindered by the fact that I can't speak my native tongue properly. The Mancunian accent is sooo lazy, we drop letters at the beginning of words and the end. I know to pass my last verbal exam at the OU, I had to have a conversation in Spanish on the phone, the poor bloke had to listen to some amateur with a strong mancunian accent, attempting to speak Spanish. Bet he wet himself laughing after.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@aa--as far as I can tell the "popular"--"great discussions"--"great HP citizen" and "engaging writer" accolades have been removed from my profile. No big deal, but it goes to show you how petty staff can be when the writers don't bend to their will. lol!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

That is petty. I can sort of see how in their narrow twisted way the "great HP citizen" could be taken away, since you are "insinuating" bad things and formenting (or is it fomenting?) dissent. But "engaging writer?", "great discussions"? What do these have to do with anything.

Reminds me of the situation in my last job. My boss and I were engaged in a 5 year long war. Because of this I was "disruptive, divisive, lacked leadership skills etc. etc.", and had much worse appraisals than his pets who did no work whatsover. Of course I protested at the unfair treatment, but this was just further evidence of my "negativity, hostility" and the fact that I was "hypersensitive to criticism".


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Oops, I still have the "engaging writer" accolade apparently. At least they've given me some credit. lol! I don't really care as I have my accolades hidden from view, but it's just the principle of the thing to me. And yes, the "great citizen" accolade would not be apt for me I suppose! lol!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

See this is where I prefer Squidoo. At least there the badges are an obvious gaming feature, and the use of cartoon "monsters" shows it is all a bit tongue in cheek.

Here it is all so serious. It reminds me of school prefects (whom I always despised) and their stupid badges.

I think lots of us who end up working for ourselves online in one way or another are either a bit antisocial, or rebels, or both. I was also seen as having a "bad attitude" in the place where I worked for 15 years before going freelance. I am not interested in teamwork or corporate culture and I do not wish to be "managed" nor do I wish to manage others. That does not fit with today's workplace ethos.

I actually stopped accepting work from one translation agency, because they kept referring to their "resources", meaning freelance translators who did translations for them. I told them that I was a human being not a resource and asked them to remove me from their database.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It's merely a form of control which works well on not-so-independent souls, guys. I've been my own boss most of my life and don't take too well to BS in business. Perhaps this is my problem? :p


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I think that for the yes men and team players, you, and I and others like us are a problem. Not so much the disagreement in principle, but when they find that others are laughing at the limitations they agree to have placed around them. It's a threat.

I hung on for 15 years challenging that sort of c__p. They hated me and my attitude, but the knowledge and skills I brought meant they did not want to sack me, as well as the fact I was doing the work of three or more people. In the end, I was burnt out, spent 3 months on sick leave with work-related stress, and then walked. I've not looked back.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thankfully I never had to take any crap as there was always the family business to fall back on during the very few times I've worked elsewhere. I suppose this is why I'm so cantankerous at times also.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hi folks - just checking in.

Been depressed as Hell this past few days. Wish I wasn't living in Dad's house, there are reminders of him everywhere!

There must be a 1000 raspberry canes in the garden to be cut down and the new canes tied in. Should have been done in the autumn. Thought Dad had done them all, but finding loads he missed. He wasn't well in the autumn and over the winter. Started cleaning up the greenhouse for the new season. He'd built his own hydroponics system and taught me last year how to top up the chemicals. Unfortunately he did not show me how to mix them from the dry product, and one of his barrels is nearly empty and needs re-filling. I's a concentrate, but not sure what all is in it. Will need to check all the outhouses for the original bags. Knowing my luck they will be nearly empty and have no idea where to buy more. A farm possibly. Dad said last year it was not on sale to public because of bomb-making potential.

My mother has gone rapidly downhill. She has no idea where she is, never mind who I am. I don't think I have ever felt so lonely in my life.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Yikes Izzy, your situation sounds horrible. Your mother is lucky to have you though.

My mother spent the last 13 years of her life in a home. She contracted viral encephalitis on Boxing Day 1993, spent some weeks in hospital (touch & go whether she would survive, to start with) and then it was the nursing home. Her condition was weird - she was more "with it" than a typical dementia patient, but she had no short term memory and no insight into her condition - or any real idea who I was. As far as she was concerned, she was a young girl growing up in Nazi Germany. Having a grown up daughter didn't figure on her mental landscape at all!

As an only child (to all intents and purposes without a father - long story), I basically had to deal with everything. In the end (December 2006), she died of cancer - she had been steadily losing weight for the previous six months, but refused to have a medical examination/tests. It was horrible to watch her deteriorate although to be honest, I felt that her real death had occurred 13 years previously.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Izzy, I'm so sorry things are so bad, right now. I wish there was something I could say more useful than....it will get better with time, you need time to grieve.

Don't let the garden get on top of you. Work in it if it helps you to cope, but don't force yourself to do more than you can handle. I don't really know much about these things, but what is the worst thing that would happen if you don't cut down all the raspberry plants? It might get a little bit wild, but you said you weren't going to use all the fruit anyway. Don't feel you have to do absolutely everything if it is too much to handle.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I second the things that EF and aa have said, Izzy. And your mum is lucky to have you there with her. I know posting here is not the same as having a real life conversation, but it's a good place to let off some steam instead of bottling every thing up.

It's just a shame we're all hundreds of miles apart, otherwise we could come and help you sort the garden.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

The garden might well be a sanity-saver actually. Nothing like hard physical labour to take your mind off stuff.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

True, keeping busy can really help.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hang in there, Izzy! We are all pulling for you. :)


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Can I do a thinly veiled promotion (OK, a massive plug)? At the moment I've got 20% off everything in my Etsy shop - it mainly sells vintage jewellery. Just enter coupon code ETSY20PC at the checkout. For people who've never used Etsy, it's like eBay in that you need to join, but it's free and simple to do so.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/VintagePointUK?ref=si_sh...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Feel free to make thinly veiled or massively plugged promotions here anytime you like, Emp. :) I wish had something to promote here myself.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

My wife would love this stuff Emp! Too bad she won't ever get to see it. :p


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Does she not use a computer then Randy?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Me again! Sorry for worrying you all. I'll be OK, eventually. Guess I must have been already feeling better to post at all!

I wish we had a round robin email contact so I could tell you all my latest worries, but am not about to mention them on an open forum. If someone knows of a private forum off-HP, let me know :) But it has to be hidden from the search engines.

Gardening is actually great therapy, but this garden is so bloody huge, it is too much for me! That said, I know it doesn't matter if I don't get it all done. I don't even care about the raspberries to be honest. I don't make jam and don't feel like taking up a new hobby. That said, I feel a compulsion to make it as good as Dad would have wanted, even if the fruit goes to waste. I feel really close to him out there and talk to him constantly. Maybe I should book my mental hospital bed now LOL, but I don't care.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well, if you guys think it is worth it, I could start a private forum, I don't think it should be too complicated. I think I can make it for "admin approved members only" and could make you all admins.

We would only use it for stuff we don't want to put in a public place. Let me know.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

EF, you've some lovely pieces on there! FB'd and tweeted.

Izzy, glad to see you around again, and aa, I'd definitely be up for that if others are too.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ok Hollie, I'm on it. If it ends up being not useful, you'll have wasted a few minutes making a v. simple profile on this site. If you have a few minutes this evening I'll email you the site, so you can test it, before we try and get everybody else over there.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Sounds good to me, aa :D


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

ok sent u an email twice, both times the link I put in doesn't actually work because I am an idiot. The first time I put in the http: bit in twice, the second time I forgot the : bit. You should be able to work it out I think. Don't want to spam u with emails.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

If you are still talking about Yuku, I already have an account there, Aa.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Oh yes great. I'll email you the addy for the new forum as well. I mean I will email it to everybody obviously, but first I want to test it on a couple of ppl to make sure I haven't messed it up completely.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ok aa, I've sent you an email because I hadn't seem this. I'll try again.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Errr.....where is the contact button of HP? And do you guys (Izzy, Randy, EF, and anybody else) have your contact buttons enabled?


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

I don't even know if I *have* a contact button but I've put my email address on my profile.

Thanks for tweeting me, Hollie!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

You need to look under "fan mail" on the profile. In there is an email link.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Click on fan mail and it's in the upper right hand corner in quite small font. Do you want me to send some of the emails, aa?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ahh fan mail, ok I'll do the next obvious 3, and then you guys can decide who else to invite.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

You're very welcome, EF :)

I've emailed SOH, about to do PDS and LMC. Trying to think who else we've missed.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Bloody hell there seems to have been an explosion in Boston! Something to do with the marathon?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep the Boston marathon was bombed. I suspect it doesn't actually have anything ot do with running. 2 people dead!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Emp--yes my wife uses a computer, but I'm afraid she will too much money on your page! lol!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Just switched on the news. Jeez!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Also the JFK library!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I'm not hearing many updates on the latest US bombings. Some really nasty injuries though :(

Just got told by Spanish partner that it will cost €175 to buy him a passport. Told him to forget it then. Checked website of Spanish police and it costs €25.50 so who is kidding who? Ratbag! http://www.policia.es/documentacion/docu_esp/pasap... Supposedly he can travel to the UK on his Spanish ID card, but British customs are not happy generally. They might possibly send him back! lol


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, do you really, really need this man in your life right now? You deserve someone who will ease your burden, not add to it. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I'm pretty sure EU people can travel within the EU with just their ID cards!

Definitely sounds like he's trying to swindle money from you. It cost me £100 to renew my Polish passport, and that was more expensive because I was doing it in London.

It doesn't look like the Boston bombing is the work of my other half-countrymen (crazy muslim fundamentalists). I guess it doesn't matter very much, but I will feel better if it was some local crazies.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

To be honest, aa, I'm always really skeptical when it comes to responsibility for these things. The security services control the news, they make the announcements, they have the balance of power. I was in Manchester Central on the 15th of June. All seemed a bit odd to me, apparently the IRA claimed responsibility but informed the police it was them before the bomb went off and pre-warned them. If they were the cold blooded, premeditated murderers they were supposed to be, why would they have done that?

If it wasn't the IRA (not saying it was or wasn't, I don't know) how would a subversive group deny responsibility if it wasn't them? They could have hardly have appeared on Breakfast TV at the time.

Guess I just don't trust mainstream media when it comes to an honest evaluation.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Anyway, why should you buy his passport???

Also, it might make things worse for you mum to have a stranger suddenly wandering round the house.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Squidoo has just given me a purple star. I wonder if that means they are not going to feature the lens on the home page? It gets absolutely no search traffic, so I fear the star is wasted.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Izzy dammit, don't let people take advantage of you when you are vulnerable! And don't hurt yourself with that damn garden either.

It will be interesting to see what type of suspects there will be in the Marathon bombings. There are so many choices...


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, they'll find some group to blame, but at the end of the day, just ordinary people were hurt, as they always are. People who have no control (or at least very little) over world events and what TPTB decide will happen.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Apparently one of the dead is an 8 year old child. Just horrific. I completely can't get the mentality of people who would do something like this!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Self-righteous bastards, no doubt!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I don't know, I don't get it, I doubt I ever will. However, I am sick of it-how have we ended up like this-killing innocent people and children? WTF, has happened to us?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I'm not sure it's anything we ended up with, humans were always killing innocent people and children. It's just part of human psyche.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

True, but I guess each generation (those that would not) are as shocked and outraged as the next. I don't believe that all people are prepared to do this, conduct this mayhem- just some. But I guess the *just some* have also lived through outrages of their own. Not trying to condone, but trying to understand this completely mad universe in which we live.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It's always the same ones, only different people in the same guise of religion, patriotism, or politics. I'm glad I live out in the boonies at these times. Crazy people!!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Man you lot are sharp! Yes Javier is a money-grabbing barsteward who I keep only because I couldn't get rid of him. I'd planned to go home 3 months before I actually did (and I can't get those months back). I wanted him to move out, but in the end realised he wasn't going to. So I pay him to stay. Practically everything I earn online goes to him. He was living in my house with all my possessions. If he didn't have money to live on, he would have sold my things. He didn't say that, I just know.

Two weeks after Dad died, he was on the phone asking me for £6000 for 'home improvements'. He even went on about it for days - had this mate, great price etc. I refused. Why should I upgrade a house I neither live in, nor can sell.

His timing was dreadful. the last thing I wanted to think about was him or the house at that time.

I really don't want him here, not even for a week. But I am still lonely, and it would be nice to see a familiar face.

And, please, I don't want to discuss him anymore. I know who and what he is, and am glad we are 2000 miles apart.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Got up early this morning to wait for a gas engineer to service the boiler. Scottish Gas (offshoot of British Gas) phoned yesterday to say they'd be round for annual service which Dad arranged when he got a new central heating installed last year.

Then the engineer called to say they don't cover this area and would be refunding Dad's money! Bit late - he'll be turning in his grave.

So they don't do maintenance, but are happy to take the contract for the installation! Bloody cheek! Crazy thing is, it is the same company that sell us the piped gas in the first place. Same company who condemned the gas fire in the living room of a couple of octogenarians last winter, leaving them to run the expensive all-house heating instead. But they can't travel here to do maintenance under their own contract? Crazy.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I arrange mine through Saga now. It costs much less than I was paying the gas company yet has the same type of cover.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

It gives me quite a lot of satisfaction to see how unpopular last week's WTI (Oprah book club) was. That topic really offended me.

I know it's silly to care, I mean nobody is forcing us to write them, and I am becoming quite convinced that dumbing down is the way to go on the web. I don't mind writing for the lowest common denominator if it brings money, but books are special!

This week's WTI is duct-tape. Can't imagine writing anything about that, but I don't care. I don't feel emotionally attached to duct tape in any way!

As far as I can tell, somebody put in a hub they'd already written, and one person wrote a hub about Oprah from scratch, and that was it.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ok, where's everyone hiding?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I finally logged on for the first time today, Hollie. It's so wonderful to be outdoors this time of year I've spent most of the day puttering around the farm. All of the ponds are full and the wildflowers are blooming everywhere. To pretty to stay indoors right now. In a few weeks it will be in the 90's with high humidity and will be pretty much unbearable. Time to get the pool ready for hot weather my wife says.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

You're so lucky to live in your part of the world, Randy. I thought that when I was looking at your photo of the country lane on this hub. It's been sunny here today but really windy. When we have a nice day I try to get out with my camera- but everything's still so gray- The grass isn't green, the sky isn't blue- the pictures just look dull and boring. Add that to the fact that I live in a dull and dismal city- it doesn't make for great shots.

There is a green belt at the back of my house though, the Medlock Vale, which is quite pleasant. Especially for a city dweller like me. The only problem is, and as much as I like wildlife and nature this can be a problem; the dawn chorus, it's not a dawn chorus of birds here, it's like a bloody orchestra of the loudest birds you can possibly imagine. They start around 4.30am and just seem to get louder and louder.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hollie, I do indeed appreciate living out in the country more than ever. Everything here is so green right now and I wake every morning to the sounds of wild ducks and Canada geese quacking and honking in the pond right behind my house.

The temps have been on the 80's for the last few days and all of the animals are stirring and getting ready for the spring mating season. I watched a couple of wild turkeys preform their mating rituals a while back and managed to get a few photos of their dance. You never know what you'll see before the day is over. Yes, I love living here on hundreds of acres of family land. I suppose I'm spoiled with the privilege. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Forgot to add, Hollie--there are still plenty of dirt roads around here like the one on this hub. I took this photo a couple of weeks ago. The old house at the end of the road is abandoned with trees grown up all around it. Once a fine house, the huge azalea bushes planted long ago and were in full bloom. I'll put the photos on this hub so you can see them.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Lol at the dawn chorus. I have the same problem, and it is not even a "green belt" but my windows face the back of the house, where there are a few trees, and that is enough for these bloody birds!

I mean it's nice that there are wild animals, even in the big smoke, but they are so bloody loud! Better than flats on the other side though, a friend of mine had windows looking out on the street and was always complaining about the noise of buses.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'd love that Randy. If I lived where you are, I'd never be indoors. I lived in North Wales when I was younger, for three years. Truth is, I didn't really appreciate the country's beauty at the time, I was too young. Given the opportunity I'd be back there tomorrow (it's my retirement plan and I'm only 46)

I grew up where I live now. Back then though, the vale was full of wild rabbits, frogs, little field mice- and the odd water rat- there's a stream running through the centre. Now, there doesn't seem to be anything, lots of lovely birds, yes, but not the other creatures. If they're still there they're doing a good job of hiding.

Just goes to show I starved I am of scenic and pretty places- you call it a dirt track, I call it a country lane.

You should put the photos on this hub. I for one, would really appreciate them.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

aa, there is one particular (bird) although I'm not sure, it's not like bird song at all but a loud, gut renching scream. When I first moved here I thought it was a cat fighting, but the sound is far more blood curdling. Even my son has noticed and it's like *what the hell is/was that?*

Then the other's start-jeez, I'm sure it's a conspiracy so I'll be out of bed by 4.45am.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Wow, the new photos are lovely, Randy!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, they are gorgeous. I used to have an azalea bush in my front garden, it only flowered in May though, but the most vibrant purple flowers you have ever seen. Rest of the year just dull and boring. I had it removed because I just don't have the time for the garden which I once had- the front garden is now just stones and flags with some potted plants. No time anymore.

What a lovely old house, wish I had the money to buy a place like that and restore it. And the photo of the "typical" Carolina Bay is beautiful. Bet those lily pads will be flowering soon.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks aa. I thought of you last night when all of the frogs were croaking and chirping right outside my back door. There's a pond just down the hill and it reminded me of Jamaica at night. Other than the bullfrogs, that is. There were a few of them with particularly loud croaks. Good eatin' though!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I take a lot of pics of the old rural house and outbuildings as they are slowly rotting down or being demolished. This once was a place of many small farms but is now controlled by the large farming families of the area. We now lease most of our farmland out as most small farmers do these days.

The "Carolina Bays" are fascinating round swamps some believe are ancient impact craters of some sort. Some contain very specialized plants also. There's some aerial photos of some on this hub. They range in size from a few acres to thousands.

http://randygodwin.hubpages.com/hub/Georgias-Myste...


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, after reading this, I have to ask because I know you're not motivated by earnings alone, why are you keeping your stuff where it can't be seen?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Hollie--What do you mean by "keeping your stuff where it can't be seen"? What can't you see?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Meaning, you were slapped. Thousands of people should have access to what you have written, it's interesting, informative- but unless things have changed, receives no Google love.

Just thought it was too good to be hidden from the masses.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

That hub about carolina bays is amazing. I've always wanted to suggest one of your hubs as HoTD, just for the irony of it. But that one really deserves exposure, for its excellence.

If you'd get all the photos attributed, I would do that. Unless your dislike of HP is so great that it would offend you, of course.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Oh, I thought there were some of my hubs not showing on my profile page. All of them are featured now as HP apparently panicked when lots of good articles were being deleted at the height of the "idle/feature" purge. Too much collateral damage--this time to HP--I suspect. LOL!

Some of the Google love is very slowly returning to my hubs, but who knows when the big G will pull another purge?

Thanks for the compliment though, it is much appreciated. :)


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Ha! I am just now re-publishing some of mine that I unpublished a few weeks ago. They ticked me off big time when yet again they gave me bogus reasons why they unpublished some of them. They took down one of my questions too and also gave me a bogus answer to it's deletion. I wrote it in another question with their silly reply.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, I'm so glad, this hub is incredibly interesting, well researched and balanced. You make no claims, just offer a whole load of interestingness! (is that even a word?) This is, exactly, the type of hub which I'd want to keep coming back to- so well written. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep I guess the "collateral damage" went a bit too far. I wasn't particularly attached to any of my idled ones, but it is rather disheartening to write something knowing it can be slapped with a no-index tag.

I'm not sure, though, if they have been properly de-idled, or if they are just gonna be given a longer chance. But with the site apparently getting better ratings from Google, some that were not getting any traffic, might start attracting some and maybe can be saved for the long term. We will see.

@Lady Guinevere, what bogus reasons did they give you?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@aa- It would be funny to me if HP had to look at one of my hubs, even though they would certainly not choose it. I do need to update that one as I didn't realize I had so many unattributed pics on it. Thanks for pointing it out. :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'd certainly vote for this as HOTD, not that my opinion counts. But if HP want quality- they need to look at this.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well, if they want quality, they should choose it, despite your various "insinuations". It would be an interesting test of their character.

So I am going to 'suggest' it to them. A couple of weeks ago they did put in one of their emails that we can suggest hubs for HoTD.

But they are very particular about photo attributions, so no point doing that until that is done (If the photos are creative commons, they want the name of the photographer, the particular licence (CC-BY-SA-3.0 for example) and a link to the photo.

The greatest benefit of the AP for me (apart from getting paid for hubs) is that I've learnt how they want photos attributed.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks guys. Interestingly enough, in the comment section of that hub there is a post from the guy who made the LIDAR image right below the comet photo. This hub was written over 2 years ago and I have to keep editing it to keep it featured.

@Lady G--Hey Debbie, long time no see. :)


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Love that tree with vines hanging down.

You can see the view I have from my study here:

http://livinginwalesrhondda.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Okay aa, but give me a few days to go over it and check on the photos too. Most of them are mine anyway but I have others I can use too. HA!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

@WA, I am jealous. Although given the choice I'd still go and live where Randy is! Less rain for one thing, although on second thoughts I do hate the heat. But my geckos would probably enjoy it, and it would cost less to keep them warmed up.

@Randy, sure, no hurry. I am sure there are plenty of "how to toast bread" hubs waiting for the front page!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Certainly is a wonderful view, WA! Too many neighbors for me though. lol! Very beautiful country, no doubt. Those "vines" is Spanish moss which grows around and inside the Carolina Bays.

Got to have a swimming pool of some sort if you live here, aa. It is a necessity.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Hey Randy, I am still around, just not making any new hubs. I see you are doing OK here. Something that I noticed when I unpublished all those hubs was the spelling was wrong on most of them that I KNOW I had spell checked, all the summaries (and I took 2 days to do) were gone. As I re-publish them all (about 300 total) I am rewriting some titles and other things, doing the spell check AGAIN and using a Dictionary as a back up and making sure the Summaries get saved. Though with the summaries I don't know how I could tell if they got saved or not. With each hub I am waiting for them to unpublish it or not and see more bogus reasons applied to it. Other hubbers, especially newer ones, think that I am making all this up and that I am new and don't know what I am talking about. It is ridiculous and way over the top here. Other hubbers don't think that I should take it personal....how many times does one need to get bogus reasons as to why their hub or questions were taken down for it not to be personal? My last 4 hubs and 2 questions were taken down in the last 6 months. Ok that is personal to me and in my opinion. You know this and you know this to be true.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Yes, there are neighbours. What I like though is the beauty of the country side together with the convenience of being five to ten minutes walk away from a small high street, where I can buy everyday basics, get to a post office, my accountant, lawyer, etc, a station so I can catch the train to places when I do not want to drive, a theatre where I can sometimes catch amazing acts, events such as Welsh lessons, the local Welsh language society and Plaid Cymru (political party of Wales). If I lost the ability or right to drive, I could still do a lot. I also feel very safe here. Often I forget to lock the house door at night, and usually do not bother to lock it when I go down to the shops. I've walked back home from the station at about midnight. While doing so, I passed one guy, who stood aside and even apologised, as if he was concerned that I might have found him threatening. When I lived in Bristol as a student in the 1970s, I was attacked walking home late at night. For years after, in Bristol, and also in Sheffield and Nottingham, my guts would knot in fear if I was on the streets alone after dark (and dark comes at 4pm in winter). I was even scared to walk 100 yards from the car to my house in Nottingham! It is such a relief not to feel afraid any more.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Lady G--I've never had those kinds of problems Debbie, but I've heard of others doing so. Seems strange alright. I think a lot of stuff is hokey here these days as the tech guys can't seem to keep things running as smoothly as they used to.

I think the staff has been downsized a bit too, although I'm not sure how many they have now. At least they finally banned me from the forums and threatened me with banning my account permanently. They weren't brave enough to put their name on it even though I asked.

I cannot imagine being afraid to tell someone my name. That must be a horrible feeling. Good to see you back again, Debbie! :)


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

I have never been told who is doing all this crap to me. In the beginning when it started happening a few years ago it was Jason Manyan (or however he spells it). I also got one from Maddie Rudd at one time. Now the reasons change with each time that I tell them why my hub doesn't have what they say it has in it. It just seems like they are letting their kids run the show instead of people who are mature and know what the heck they are talking about.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I completely understand your reasons for living where you do and I'm pleased you are so comfortable there. It's just that we are accustomed to different environments, with mine being one of rural residence all of my life, and yours of living in more populated area I assume.

I love solitude as I often spent entire days without ever seeing another human being while working in some fields on the farm. It was a good time to strip down to my underwear a get a good tan.lol!

Anyway, I do see why you like living there.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I know Debbie, I dislike even conversing with them anymore. Sorta like yelling down a pipe. All you get back are muffled sounds. lol!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

That is so weird. I have heard of other people complaining about their hubs being unpublished for having unrelated links, or Amazon ads as well. I got really paranoid once, and started examining my hubs.

I mean I will never put in a completely unrelated Amazon link, but it all depends on interpretation. Would you consider Attenborough's cold blood unrelated on a hub about frogs? I don't think so because somebody who's interested in frogs would really enjoy watching the series, but it isn't strictly related. But nothing like that has ever happened to my hubs.

But several people have reported this sort of thing happening to them repeatedly, and sometimes the reasons were completely bogus as you say. Very weird, it's hard for me to believe that a company would bother doing this kind of stuff out of malice, I mean it's a huge waste of time, and not exactly good for business.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Yeah. So sorry you got banned from the forums. I was in them the first 2 years (been here for 5 now) and then I couldn't take the abuse any longer and never went back.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I agree, aa. I sometimes wonder about the integrity of the programs they have operating here. Why were Izzy, CM, (Cynthia), and I some of the very few who got slapped at the very same time when there were many other lower quality and spammier (is that a word?) writers on Hp which weren't hit as bad?

And James Watkins low profile score, what was up with that? Just weird at any rate.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I really didn't care anyway, Debbie. The forums are pretty boring now that HP has turned the mods loose on the general community. Hidden judges are the most powerful.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Excellent story, love it to death. As I have elucidated before, Randy, you are a beyond excellent writer by far. Please, please, please write a book. You are THAT GIFTED. I miss you in the forums. Well, adieu and have a Blessed Night.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You are too kind, gm! I'm very pleased you like my efforts at spinning a tale. I'm working on a few things at the present moment but I'm too set in my ways to get in very much of a hurry anymore.lol!

Please feel free to stop and visit any time on this hub as everyone who really counts does. :) And my night is already blessed with good friends. Thanks again, gm!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Randy, get attributing your photos asap. The HoTD situation is becoming desperate! I cannot believe the qrap they're featuring these days! Lets show em what real writing is like!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

All the news channels are showing is some senile old woman being buried. At least one is not the queen, so one can watch this from the comfort of one's home.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I'm waiting in great eagerness for a duct tape HoTD....

[sarcasm]


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Or one can put the TV off and ignore the bruja and the whole charade.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

When I think of duct tape I imagine someone tied up and bound tightly. Great HotD title - How to Secure your Victim with Duct Tape. Should be a winner!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Lol! I reckon somebody should write that, illustrated with own photographs of course!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Will be avoiding all news of funeral today!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I haven't switched on my TV for about three years and do not intend to do so today.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

But then you missed the spectacle of Gideon Osborne crying! Looked even more of a knobhead than usual. Maybe his mind wandered to the criticism his policies got from the IMF, and this is what made him cry.

I used to have this problem, when I was still working. I'd sit in some seminar, and my thoughts would wonder to all the injustices that were happening to me, and tears would silently flow. Luckily it was all in dark rooms and I don't think anybody noticed how moved I was by the apoptosis of drosophila neuroblasts, or whatever.

I might not have a job now, but mental health has returned!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Is it possible that Gideon Osbourne could come across as an even bigger knobhead then he already does? Yes, Georgie Porgie has been given detention by the IMF!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I've just read that a protester held a banner which read "If there's no such thing as society pay for your own funeral"


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I heard that the cost of this charade is about 90% of the value of the latest "essential" cuts to the Arts Council that were announced this week.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yes, but Dave Cameron managed to get quite a few party political broadcasts out of it, so it was money well spent. Arts are obviously a luxury we cannot afford!

And really it is such a bad idea to give people access to arts or education. They start thinking for themselves, obviously very detrimental to the smooth running of the country.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Gee, you guys really hold a grudge! lol! Thatcher sure left a bad taste in some peoples mouth, apparently! :(


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Congrats on HOTD, aa! :)


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Yes congrats!!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Congrats, aa. Just seen the pic of Osbourne crying, and in the photo Dave definitely looks like he's been smoking the wacky backy. Would explain the "We're all Thatcherites now" comment.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks guys, but you see what I mean about them scraping the barrel. I'm surprised they chose this one tbh, because it is a "sales hub", and not a very good one at that, because I believe this was an exclusive title.

The point of a sales hub, is it should hopefully be useuful to somebody needing to buy that kind of thing, so they go to Amazon after reading, but not really interesting to the general public. It's not something that I would showcase to outsiders.

So get attributing your images. I agree it is possible that HP won't feature them because of mean spritidness, but I reckon we should give them the chance.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I've got most of them done, aa. But still I don't think they'll allow me to be so honored. :) Will try to finish them today and we'll see what happens.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

I used that exclusive title in one of my hubs and it got zero traffic, so I took it down. I read a few weeks ago that someone's hub was also selected for hub of the day and she commented on her status that that hub was written 3 years ago.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

@Randy, well it will be an interesting experiment.

@Lady Guinevere, I think most exclusive titles are likely to fail. They've had no keyword research done on them. So you really need to check them for search volume and competition.

The problem is: whenever I try keyword research, about 90-95% of possibilities are no good. And exclusive titles only give you a few suggestions, so you're starting from a very restricted set anyway. It's a lot easier to find keywords that might actually get traffic when you start with a set of 50.

I definitely think that there are better hubs here than most of the HoTDs shown. But to be fair to HP, a lot of hubs don't attribute their photos, or don't attribute them exactly the way HP wants it done, and also whoever picks them has limited time to search for them, they might not be aware of the really good stuff that is written here.

It's easiest for them to pick hubs written by APs or WTIs because they have to read them. So that's what we usually end up with.

I noticed something similar on Squidoo. I wrote hubs about things I was "passionate" about, well lets be honest- frogs. Some of them even get Google traffic. I was annoyed because they were completely ignored, and lenses about boring stuff (not frog) were on the front page and getting purple stars etc. Then I became a giant squid and started writing lenses for a giants-only contest, which were seen by TPTB, and I started getting the front page and the purple stars too.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It does puzzle me about some HOTDs chosen by TPTB. They seem to go from good to bad on their choices. You may be correct on the photo attribution though, aa.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Well done, Aa!

I got a couple of purple stars in my first few weeks at Squidoo. Now all my lenses are languishing with practically no views at all after the latest slap. In contrast, my hubs have perked up somewhat, although still only averaging about 3 views a day.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, you've inspired me. I've found a picture of a Georgia Swamp and I'm going to paint it tonight!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

@WA, my Squidoo traffic has also dropped alarmingly. My top lens gets 25% of the traffic it had in January.

On the other hand, I've just made the "top spirit 40" on Squidoo. No idea what that means, but I am "spirit" #31 right now.

Dear Internet: I'd much rather have money than love.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Well aa, not sure if you're aware but you have a few new comments on your Wizzley article. Also not sure if you're aware that the more comments the higher the pages score (including your own comments) it lands on the popular page when it hits 100%, which means it's on the front page of Wizzley for a time- more traffic to your other pages from the links!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Aha, so I should reply to the comments and generally put my anti-social nature on the back burner and "interact" with the Wizzley peeps.

And I thought trying to make money online would allow me to give up talking to people and become a true hermit. Life is hard!

Ok off to Wizzley now to practice social skills!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Indeed, more comments, higher score, more exposure. If you're feeling really antisocial though you can just say "Thanks for commenting" :D


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Hollie--Many people thin of swamps as dark and dismal places, and indeed some are. Some however, are incredibly beautiful with all sorts of living things making it their home. I'd love to see your painting when you've finished with it. :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I think they're beautiful. When I've finished Randy, I'll post the link.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Cool Hollie, I'll look forward to seeing your efforts.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

This ebay auction made me laugh! Kinda pricy though. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/George-Osbornes-tear-/33...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

If nothing else, you guys are getting a few more chucks out of Maggie now than when she was alive. And that's a good thing I believe! :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, it's gonna take me a while because there's so much detail when it comes to the trees, and the picture I'm using as a reference was taken at sunset- I think, not sundown (mist) also I've got to try to capture the reflection in the water. But you'll be the first to see the final result! :)

aa, there are some people who'd pay a fortune to see that bugger in tears. However, I have to add that after seeing this picture http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborn... And having worked with hundreds and hundreds of crack cocaine, heroin and amphetamine users, Dave definitely looked like he'd been on the blow. The red and tiny eyes and partially muffled giggle. lol. Tears would have made his eyes swell too, I see no swelling. But there again, if I were him, I'd probably get stoned too. lol.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You can't rush perfection, Hollie. :) I wish I could draw or paint, but I suppose we each have some talents not everyone else has. One of my talents is I'm able to play a number of musical instruments and did so professionally for many years. Rock N Roll! lol!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, I'm not talented, just determined. I tried to learn the Spanish guitar when I was at school, I enjoyed it- but I'm very small with tiny hands (I'm between 5ft 1 and 2, my fingers used to really hurt when I tried to reach the cords) Moved on to the saxophone, I sooo love that instrument. It was bigger than me and I coped, but had to share it with this unbelievably snotty girl. (it belonged to the school) anyway, one night we had a massive row, I clonked her with the saxophone and had my rights to play withdrawn :(. My parents were, secretly. very pleased. They hated my rehearsals.) I have a baby guitar now, I'm still learning but have very little free time. I'll get there in the end though!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

And by the way, you write, very well. Another talent!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LOL! @Hollie--"I clonked her with the saxophone." Ha, I can picture this in my mind. My cousin played sax in a band for years, as well a mean clarinet also. I love the sound of the saxophone.

I first learned to play the drums when I was 15 and went on to learn 5 string banjo, guitar, bass guitar, not to mention taking piano lessons for over 6 six years. I play mandolin a bit as well as a fiddle. But musical talent has ran in my family for several centuries according to my family history. I think it's in the genes.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha, writing is for fun, Hollie. But I do appreciate the praise. I think you guys write well also and I'm pleased y'all use this hub to chat about stuff. Goodness knows the forums are sure boring these days.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

You see, to play all those instruments you must have talent, an ear. No one in my family plays an instrument, draws, paints, writes (actually, my eldest sister wrote two Mills and Boon novels, but that was in the early 80's) and she would have been the first to say that those books have nothing to do with talent. She was very embarrassed about them, but needed the money.

I think it all has a lot to do with the culture in which we were raised. In my family, the fact that you could pass an O level was a major achievement. My folks left school at 14. They lived through the second world war as kids. They couldn't lay their hands on a banana, or chocolate, let alone a musical instrument.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Oh yes, I have talent for several different things, for which I am eternally thankful. We often take talents for granted I think, but I've enjoyed mine most of the time. But sometimes I'm not really in the mood to entertain other people when asked and I really believe having to make music for a living has ruined it a bit for me. I suppose this is only natural when one takes something they love and makes a career out of it. Don't get me wrong as I still love music, but sometimes I cringe when I hear songs I've played a 1000 times or more. :o


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

I know this may not be the best place to share this but I have to share it: I am feeling good tonight!! Ordered some personalized checks and also some business cards! Finally made enough to purchase these things for my sewing business. The small bit of money that I made at Hubpages helped pay for them.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You go, LG! Glad you're pleased tonight too. Good luck with your sewing business, Debbie! :)


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Well, I'm a very bad amateur, but I love playing music, even if it makes the cats run for the hills, LOL!

I'm in awe of anyone who can not only sew, but actually make a business of it. My sewing is even worse than my playing.


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Happy for you Lady Guinevere. Best of luck on your new business. Hopefully, I shall write a book one day. I have so many ideas. My tenure on HubPages is just to hone on and practice on my writing skills. I do enjoy being on HubPages. Well, to all, have a Lovely and Blessed Evening.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

It is very hard to do that around here. When I lived in another state, 40 minutes from here I was making some money...not a lot but enough to start seeing the turn around. Here is like pulling teeth. I have been at it for 10 years and nothing. Hubpages is a pain but they paid for this. I just wish that I could make more than 25 a month here, then I could make my sewing business even greater.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

My business name is: Seams Like Camelot and I be the Lady Guinevere...nice ring to it.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Do you sell on eBay? I've bought costume stuff I needed from two different sellers there in the past. They were simple things, one being a set of long skirt, apron, mob cap and shawl, the other a long, hooded robe as worn by mediaeval monks, but I wasn't able to find what I wanted anywhere else although I spent many hours searching the web.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Congratualtions, LG. My mum was a machinist and to create things that way takes skill, and hard work. Maybe your small but fruitful earnings on HP is the start of things to come. I hope so. :)


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

I had an ebay account a while ago. I didn't like that you had to have bids and the thought of sellings something for almost nothing didn't appeal to me. What are you looking for? Oh do tell me in e-mail so that we don't hijack this hub: Ladyguinevere45@gmail.com I am currently making a top for a lady who just found out that she is pregnant and was worried that she couldn't wear it until next year.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I bought stuff on buy it now. When it is something I really want, I don't want to go through the stress of bidding and worrying that someone might outbid me at the last minute.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Wow, I've had a design which I tried to place on a postage stamp on Zazzle refused. Apparently, the message "I shop local, I create jobs" is:

Design incorporates material the primary purpose of which is to advocate or protest any particular religious, social, political, legal or moral agenda of any person or entity.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Wow! You subversive leftie Hollie. I guess your design protested globalisation.

Honestly though, it is possible that stamps are governed by v. strict rules. Just think, in the UK you can't produce your own stamps, so just the possibility of making them is pretty new to me!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Feel free to hijack this hub, LG! It's what I wrote it for. We all need a place we can self-promote our accomplishments. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hoo-ee, Hollie! Tough place that Zazzle.


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

Hey all....behind on the conversation as usual.......just droppin' by to check in...working up to washing my jeep inside and out...before it rains on me!

My good friend Michelle's girls will be hanging out with me tomorrow...(Michelle My Belle...i wrote about her in one of my hubs - RIP)...they are absolutely beautiful, smart girls from Vancouver Island BC....but living in Glasgow and London now....one is a prof. at Durham....anyway, had dinner with them the other nite....and they will visit with me tomorrow before flying back to the UK Sat....gotta make sure when I pick them up tomorrow, my Jeep doesn't smell like dog or is covered in soft white hair of the Raven....ha ha ha


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hey Someway! No, it wouldn't do to give a bad impression with a dirty jeep! lol! Have fun with your guests. :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I know aa, guess I need to be smarter. Grown in Georgia for Georgians, or, pear which has traveled less than 600 miles before reaching you. Now, htf, do I fit that on a postage stamp? lol.

Randy, no tougher than any place else really. :)


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

it will be kewl to see that depiction of a georgia swamp....

...speaking of thatcher.....ha ha ha....i did read those comments!....there is one thing that stands out for me re thatcher....as a woman during her time...i say....good for her...for entering a man's world (at the time)....i'm not sure...but i figure it took a lot for her to enter politics and succeed by leading (whether you agreed with her platform or not)...she would have had to work much harder than a man...and gave up a lot for her career...those are my immediate thoughts around her....the other thought....didn't she reduce taxes for the very wealthy...eg. the beatles....so that they didn't have to give up some ridiculous amount of money for what i figure they shouldn't have had to in the first place...ha ha ha...did i open a can of worms with either of these comments......ha ha ha...it's easy for me to comment...since i was not impacted by her leadership...but from the outside looking in....i remember what i saw as a woman entering a man's world and rising up...(without looking at the politics of it all)...i was a kid...but for whatever reason....i remember her rise


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Weird, my other stamp "buy fruit and vegetables locally, support your community's farmers" has been approved. What's the difference between the two stamps?


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Well I don't see any but I am glad your stamp got approved.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Thanks, LG. :)


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

okay...done procrastinating by hanging out on the threads.....time to clean!

later all!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Bye Someway, stop in again when you have more time to chat! :)


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

hey...i'm still here screwing around...procrastinating.....but....i'm off...just thought i'd touch in on some politics and a bit of religion and something about the wealthy...why not? ....later Randy!.... :)


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Randy, one of your hubs is HOTD! Congratulations, there is a God smiling on you!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I just logged on and noticed, gm. I'm very pleased to have finally made HOTD after 4 years on HP. I think I owe aa lite for the honor as she nominated it. Thanks again! :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Well done, Randy! Very well deserved. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks Hollie, I owe aa a favor for this one. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Congratulations Randy! Hey I just suggested it, you wrote the excellent hub. They did really move quickly on this though, I sent the email less than 24 hours ago!


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Ask Izzy 3 years ago

Well done, Randy! And many thanks to aalite for recommending it :)


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Well, well, does this count as a miracle???? *grin*

Congrats, Randy!

Aa , you are being busy behind the scenes on our behalf :))


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks again, aa! Yes, I just finished changing the photos late last night so they move very fast. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha Izzy, I was very surprised when I saw my hub chosen this morning. Rather shocked if you want to know the truth of it. Thanks for your support, it means a lot to me. :)


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

To celebrate Randy's good news I am being very northern and having vegetable pie, mash and peas for tea. With a huge piece of lemon meringue pie for afters.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep I have to say I had my doubts about suggesting Randy's hub. But it is a very good hub, and I hoped they would be professional about this, which they were. Which is nice. Simone says that you sure have some awesome hubs, Randy. I agree.

Plus you now have a new accolade to replace the ones you lost :)

@Hollie, any excuse to have pie, hey?

The weather is going really crazy. Woke up to a very nice day, so I opened all the windows. Then all of a sudden it went dark and we had torrential rain with hail. And now it's nice and bright again. The apocalypse cometh!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@WA and Hollie--Pleased to have you guys as friends and I am just as surprised as you are. :o Thanks for your support! :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@aa--Glad too that HP overlooked my biases and suspicions and perhaps I do sometimes judge them too harshly. I still detest the way they moderate the forums though. I never realized there were so many comments to respond to when one's hub gets picked though.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Randy, ditto. I bet Simone thought that all her birthday's had come at once when she saw some of your hubs. Make sure they're all attributed properly, this might not be an isolated incident. :D It is good that they recognised the quality of your hub and didn't let past differences get in the way when it came to acknowledging your work.

The weather here has also been all over the place, hailstones, sunshine, blustery winds, lightning, thunder. We've had it all in the space of about two hours.

I've just eaten the equivalent of my own body weight in pie. It's official, I'm a pig.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Nasty weather in Wales too.

I spent all last night rescuing a translation from a software meltdown. It took me about nine hours. I went to bed at 9.30 am and the phone range about ten minutes later (I did not answer it!).

Got up at 2.30 pm, but I'm too whacked to do any work today.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Nice one Randy!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

WA, you said last week that you had 30,000 words to translate, plus you've had a software meltdown and had to work when you should have been sleeping. I think a day off is at least one treat you should allow yourself now.

I'm seeing vines even when I'm not looking at the trees, I've drawn loads and loads of them since I ate my tea.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Yes, and what I was rescuing was 16,000+ words of that, and I'd put in a number of 18-hour days over the past week too!

I went on a boat ride round the bayous when I was in New Orleans. Loads of vines there, and absolutely beautiful. New Orleans was stunning too. This was before the hurricane and floods, so I don't know what it's like now, but I loved the place both times I was there.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'd probably have cried, 16,000 words and all those hours- My blood pressure would have been through the roof.

I've never been to the US, but I'd love to. I doubt I'd bother with New York and the big cities, but the smaller and more remote places. It's such a vast country though, where do you begin? I always remember my English teacher at school talking about the Greyhound bus and how you could travel the country. That was thirty something years ago but has always stayed with me. Think I'd have to go for a few months.

Well, you never know, when Thomas and Hollie are completely independent and I've made an absolute fortune on Zazzle. lol.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I only ever went because of the work I did before I turned freelance. I was invited to talk on two occasions at conferences held in New Orleans. The only other places I went to were Johns Hopkins in Baltimore several times, and a couple of times to see USDA people in Washington DC.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Still, you've been though WA, you've seen the place and experienced it. I know it's no the same when you're working, but a nice experience nevertheless.

Reminds me, when I first moved to Wales it was because of work. First few months, it all felt wrong, going to work everyday. I was in such a lovely place that I felt like I should have been on holiday. Took some getting used to.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

OMG, never felt the urge to strike another woman in my life, but Daily mail mouthpiece, she is hateful.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Lol, was just thinking the same thing!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Basically her newspaper was doing a public service by raising the fear over the MMR vaccine, but it was all Tony Blair's fault because he wouldn't say whether he vaccinated his son.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Wasn't it Michael Howard who fed his kid a hamburger to show that mad cow disease was rubbish?


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Well, it's finally been confirmed, although I thought it the case all along, that all income from the advertising in the misleadingly titled "related search" goes to HP and none to authors.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/111578


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hey guys! I've been gone all afternoon working on the farm because it's so beautiful outside. Gotta take advantage of this weather down here because in a few weeks it will be in the 90's or sometimes in the 100's. You never know in this part of the country.

The US is indeed a beautiful country and I haven't seen as much of it as I'd like myself. Never been west of Houston, Texas or north of Baltimore, Maryland myself. The only time I've left the country is on my annual trip to Jamaica. I'd love to visit Europe someday to pay homage to some of my ancestors, and who knows, perhaps I will someday.

@Emp and others--thanks for the congratz too!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

These people are insane. I'm also thinking "sweet Caroline" These people are politicians and they ask parents to *trust them* when it comes science and breakthroughs and evidence, yet, they sack scientists who deliver data which is politically inconvenient, or rather, not politically expedient.

I'm broadly in favour of vaccines, always have been. However, did not vaccinate my youngsters against MMR- because as a non-scientist, trying to evaluate and weight the evidence, and as a parent who had had discussions with a midwife and GP who would not have their children vaccinated if the vaccine was not separated, I was overwhelmed.

It became an *on balance* issue. Will the threat and danger of measles outweigh the risk of a vaccination which "appears" to be untried and mistrusted?

My daughter contracted measles. I felt so guilty and was so worried, but she did survive. Politicians and the media should have absolutely no sway or say when it comes to issues such as this. People should just be given the evidence, without censorship or opinion.

Micheal Howard's an arse. He still believes that he can speak down to an audience and talk dribble. However, New Labour did ensure that the electorate were better educated (probably for all the wrong reasons) him and his ilk still have yet to realise, that they are no longer talking down to people who left school at the age of fourteen, but those who've bothered to educate themselves.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

We were pulling weed, which is a never ending job. The weather is nice here in the Eastern Panhandle of WV too. Tomorrow it will be raining all day and the weekend is supposed to be cooler. Got to do gardening when you can and I always try to work with Mother Nature and plant and all that just before it rains....especially the planting.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

@ WA, no surprise there. The complicated jargony way Paul E. answered the question all those weeks ago was an obvious giveaway that they weren't sharing the revenue. If they did share it, he would have just said so.

Incidentally the ad on this page says "writing a books"!

@Hollie, the problem is scientists often don't know themselves, at least in the early days. I mean eventually they will become fairly certain about something (although never completely sure), but really it is bloody hard to figure out what is true, it takes time, and nobody actually wants to put themselves on the spot and say: absolutely there is no risk that the vaccine has no connection with autism.

I can't totally remember what the story with Wakefield was. BBCqt made him sound like a Charlatan, but I thought the reason he was struck off wasn't really to do with him falsifying his data. Maybe I'm not remembering this right, I thought it was something like he didn't obtain parents' consent for his studies or something. Which was wrong, but not directly related to his claims turning out to be wrong.

Can't remember what his motivation was. Never heard about anything specific, I thought it was just that he wanted the fame and glory.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Hey Randy, you're the man of the moment. :D It'd be nice if you could get to Europe sometime, although we can't guarantee the weather here in the UK. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha, Hollie! My dad was in London waiting for D-Day to be launched and he said to me, "I was In London fer six week an' never seen the sun shine the whole time I wuz there." Still, I'd like to visit once before I die. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yeah Debbie, I've done my share of weed pulling during my time on the farm. Back breaking work at the very least.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

aa, I *totally* get that. I'm a former student of the social sciences, within that discipline, there is no *perfect relationship*, or very rarely. Only the data, and relationships of some sort. The rest is longitudinal, we're not sure yet.

But this is rarely what is offered to the masses. We're offered opinion and speculation. I think most people would be comfortable with " the findings" of research. But when they are relying on the media and govt. for the outcomes, this will rarely happen.

I'm not completely sure why this man was discredited. I'm not even sure if "he" was discredited, or his research. Which kind of speaks volumes really.

Btw, I can honestly say that the Daily Mail did not feature when it came to my decisions. lol.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Re: the related search ads.

They are new, or new-ish, and have prime position because they float to stay within the reader's eye.

Let's not forget that all our individual earnings collapsed long before the related ads were born.

Mine personally went down from $30 a day to about $5.

Hubpages as a business must have seen a similar collapse, which would have threatened their viability to carry on.

It looks to me that Hubpages is able to stay afloat because of these ads. Maybe in future they will revenue share, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I would rather they stayed in business, than collapsed tomorrow depriving me of my $5 a day, or the potential in future of climbing up the rankings again.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Regarding the MMR vaccine, there has always been a risk factor involved with it.

I was perturbed to hear some politician say that the doctor who originally raised concerns was wrong. We will see what happens with the mass vaccination that is happening now. If there are devastating side-effects, families will already be suffering now, which we will no doubt hear about in due course.

I got all mine done, simply because the risk of catching disease and the problems that come with that are also devastating.

If a child is damaged by the vaccine, there is a certainty they would also be damaged by the disease.

Britain is multi-cultural (whether we like it or not) and all these incomers are bringing in diseases that have been all but wiped out in the western world.

But I personally know of people whose children were damaged by the vaccine. The changes took place from the day of the vaccination, starting off with a reaction to it, causing pain and fever.

So for anyone to say now that is was all a vicious rumour, they are totally misinformed.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I just wanted to say thanks for everyone who has offered words of comfort to me, and also to say to those who shared their own personal tragedies on this platform and the other one. I am aware that I made no comment in reply, but just to let you all know that I read them and knew you understood - sending you all big hugs. ((((group hug))))


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Big hug back at you, Izzy.

Wow, just discovered there are botanical gardens in Manchester, Didsbury. Lived here all my life and have never heard of them. And it's free entry. Monday, camera, botanical gardens.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ditto. And $30 a month seems unimaginable to me. In fact $5 seems pretty damn good too!

I don't think HP overall got slapped quite as badly as you did. Your subdomain seems to have been especially trampled. But as long as my traffic is improving it is hard to get too worked up about things.

But again, I dislike their unclear answers. Their argument is that everything is fine, because they don't put the HP-only ads on our hubs, they just put a link to the HP-only ads! I guess TPTB are worried that if they just came out and gave a straight answer, there would be a riot on the forums. So what? Angry online riots are quite fun!

They should not be so scared of enraged mobs.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

aa, it took me 3 years on here to make my first hundred. On the Feed, your top left, click on the Hubpage name, there is a list of new things. One of them was that note about purelu personal hubs and how they are going to deal with them now versus how they have in the past. I wrote a comment back to that telling them that one of my hubs was unpublished for that but they didn't seem to want to read the whole thing. After they unpublished it, I unpublished many of my hubs. I also told them why I did that and that they needs more consistency in there moderating hubs. I don't know if that will get anything done or change they way they do moderate or not. It was just my opinion from my last year of experience with them.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

My main argument is with the misleading nature of the feature, which I consider to be very dishonest. If I see the words "related search", I expect to be taken to further information not to a page of ads. As I said on the general forum, if that were to happen to me on a web site I visited to find information, I would leave and never go back there, because I would feel cheated and exploited.

As to the revenue share, my objection is again to the dishonesty. It's their site and they can do whatever they like with the revenue, but they should have the decency to provide clear information about where we stand.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

A while ago when I first had issues with Jason, he told me that I could be a spy and report my friends pages if *I* didn't think they were good enough. Now after all this time and switching of owners I wonder how many are enlisted to do just that and to report other hubbers and if they get paid to do so. I had one person report one of my hubs for the reason that he didn't like the content, not that it was written awful or had spelling errors or that it was just selling a product. I wonder how many of my hubs got flagged because someone did not like the subject matter. That should not be the reason one flags a hub. That is "purely personal" LOL. Are they getting this in training and are they using hubs, in general, to train others to be moderators and if they make a mistake it is OH Well for the hubber? Like I said, there needs to be better consistency in how and what they moderate.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep, I agree about the misleading nature of their communications. But isn't that true of almost any communications from any company, official or politician?

The links are ugly, and calling them "related searches" is misleading. But I think this is pretty standard way of doing it. I don't think HP invented these kinds of links, I think a lot of pages have them. And lets face it, most advertising is damn ugly, but without it there would be precious little point writing here.

And HP still has pretty subdued advertising compared to other sites. Incidentally the "write a books" link has gone from this page!

To be honest, I don't think many people click on these links (or any links sadly). So the number of people being taken off our page probably doesn't make a huge difference to us, but presumably they add up to some earnings for HP. The worry is that it might offend Google and we might lose any gains we've made in the past couple of months. But plenty of sites have a lot more advertising than HP, so I don't think Google is that sensitive to ugly advertising!

I hate pop up ads, and I avoid them as much as possible. However there are some sites that I still use even though they have them, like searchengineland, and various serious computer review websites. So I think it is a balance between how good the content is, with how annoying the ads are.

If I produce 10x the content I have now, I can live off it (I can always do a bit of freelance work, or private tuition or something, for some extra money). 10x the content I have seems almost, but not entirely impossible.

But I'm so lazy and unfocused I don't think it will happen!


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

10x would be impossible for me. I don't only sit and write, but I am a homemaker and a seamstress and sometimes, well often, I am pulled into all directions. It's not about focus for me, but who gets my attention on a certain day. It was fun writing here in the beginning when Edmundson and Deeds owned it but I have seen many changes (some not so good) since it was bought out. As far as my writing is concerned I am so confused by the treatment of the new staff, moderators and some of the hubbers here that I have stopped writing altogether.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Was Jason the guy who posted on forums against a hubber under a different name? He sounds unpleasant.

Everybody can flag hubs if they are truly awful (or against the ToS), but reporting hubs because they are "not good enough" or you disagree with the content is pretty low. Encouraging people to do that is pretty bad, I mean lets say there is a hub that is in competition with you on a topic, just flag it, and voila!

Of course you can only flag hubs, it is up to the moderators to decide whether your flag is righteous. Sadly moderators are rarely good.

I don't know whether I could produce 10x more than I am doing now, but I could certainly produce more. I am just so damn lazy. Sometimes I think I should take a week off and not come online, even to check my accounts. I might actually be motivated to write more when I do.

I'm bummed out because nothing has dropped in Amazon for days. My Squidoo pages get 25% of the traffic they used to in January. My Zazzle store that I put a lot of work into, has made me about $1 so far this month. I used to make about $20 from it when I had 500 products, now I have 4000 and it is $1?????


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

When I came here initially, it was in the hope of producing something that would give me passive income, so I could cut the hours I spend translating and have something to supplement the very small pension I can expect. At peak, I was earning $20 a month from just over 20 lenses. This has now gone to less than $5 and is no longer passive. When I do translations, I can earn $250+ a day. That is not passive income either, but at the moment it is so much more profitable than HP or Squidoo that my motivation to produce content that might or might not earn in future is very low. Yes, I work long hours translating, yes the deadlines can be a killer, yes, I cannot ever expect to "retire". On the other hand, the intellectual stimulation of translation keeps my brain alive, and, most of the time, it feels more like a game than real work. Also, the travel plans I used to have are becoming less attractive, because I've come to hate flying so much. So maybe, I should just keep on translating. The day I can no longer do it will be the day when I am probably too senile to care what happens to me!


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

I was hoping to write and get paid something as income so that I could have some independance from my spouse's income so that he wouldn't have to work 2 jobs. I can't work outside the home and we only have 1 car and his hours are way too strange to get the car. Writing was the outlet that I needed, then they came down hard from Google's Panda and then the HP company changed hands and well it all went bust for me. I am beginning to see more and more of gender wording around here and that was one of them that got me. I see words such as sex, rape and lots of other words being used now and some of us got hit hard when they told us that we could not use them anymore. The sand under this place shifts way too fast for me. I don't know if we are coming or going around HP and Goggle...Google has just gotten too big for it's britches and thinks it owns the world.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

When did HP change hands? Who owns it now?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I think this month has been incredibly slow, aa. My Amazon sales are down- to zero this month, Adsense clicks are pitiful,I'm talking pennies so far. I'm just wondering if it's because of the Easter break.


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Lady Guinevere 3 years ago from West Virginia

Go to their main page and the About them and you will see. Those links are located at the very bottom of the page.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Something is screwy with Amazon sales lately. Last month I sold items every day until the middle of the month when they abruptly ceased. This month I've sold two small items total so far.

Another thing is a few days ago on Analytics on four consecutive days my traffic numbers increased by exactly 1 visit on each day. For example if my traffic numbers were 734 one day, the next 3 days indicated-735-736-737. I wonder what the odds are of this happening?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I just assumed it was because of the Easter holidays and people going away etc. My adsense clicks have been absolutely dreadful this month, and absolutely nothing on Amazon so far this month, too.

Britain has been downgraded by yet another ratings agency. Economic turmoil is our future.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

And to fit in with the general doomsday scenario I've just had a call that my landlord wants to increase my rent by £40 a month.

I really need to move out of London, but the problem is nobody is going to rent me a flat, given my "workless skiver" nature.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

If you head for the countryside, such as where WA is, you might find that landlords are much more accommodating (if you know what I mean) and technically speaking, you're self employed- not unemployed.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Also aa, I did mean to mention this the other day, but forgot. Have thought about some part-time teaching work with the OU? I know this may not be ideal for you, but you can work from home and it's a bit of extra cash. Just a thought.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep, the countryside is an idea. Well if the worst comes to the worst, I could go to Warsaw, where my Mum has a flat that she rents. I'm sure she would let me live rent free if I just paid for bills, until I "find" my way in the self-employment world.

But I hate the idea of depriving my Mum of the rent, which is some sort of security for the future for her.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Can you not simply show that you have sufficient money in the bank to cover the duration of the rental contract? Is there a relative willing to act as guarantor for you?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I don't know how renting works these days, do you have to show payslips or some such? Or is it just references which are required?

aa, you could probably rent a three bedroomed house in Wales for a fraction of the cost that you paying for your flat in London. If nothing else, finding much cheaper accommodation will ensure that your savings go further whilst you become established.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

In my area, flats start at about £250/month, but there aren't very many. House rentals are in the range £320-500 per month. There are loads for about £350. They are mostly little stone terraces, like mine (no that is NOT my car outside!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tehuti/2496951144/in/...


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Wow! I will now be paying 780 a month for a 1 bedroom flat. Definite difference there! With those £250 a month I probably would have savings for about 2.5 years. And in 2.5 years I would probably be able to produce enough "content" to pay the rent and bills.

Definitely something to think about!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I've just been looking at some in Rhonda for £80 per week, I know the pictures don't say it all but they really look ok- Add to that the beautiful countryside.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Here in my valley (Rhondda Fawr), we also have a railway line, which gets you to Cardiff in about one hour for about £7 return if you need a taste of the city. Trains every 30 mins during the day, every hour in the evening. Locally, social life is probably a bit limited, unless you get into things like learning Welsh :)) For me, apart from the joy of looking out over the valley and mountains from my study, a major plus is that I feel so safe, even if I have to walk through the streets at night. One thing though, if you like eating out in decent places, the Rhondda would NOT be for you! At best, you can get some fairly average pub food. Same goes for what is available in local food shops, but with online possibilities that is not so bad. In general, the area is probably 20+ years behind the times, but that is part of the charm as far as I'm concerned. Some things cost a lot less here. For example, I can get full hair cut, colour and blow dry for £40 (and I'm extra lucky because I've got a fabulous guy who does hairdressing at his home or customer's home, who has cut celebrity hair in London and Amsterdam before returning to his Rhondda roots, who talks about interesting stuff rather than about soap operas, holidays and sport, and who is in my Welsh class!)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Lol, the haircut is very persuasive. You would think in London getting a decent haircut would not be difficult, but I am finding it ridiculously so. I usually get my haircut when I go to visit my sister in Grenoble, or my aunt in Poland. But these trips are really too rare to keep it from getting unkempt at all times. I don't have much of a conversation in France, but I stick an iphone photo under the haircutter's nose to remind her of what she did last time, and it seems to work very well.

I've made some weak attempts to go back to Portsmouth, where I worked before coming to London and where I have a lot of friends. It's nowhere as cheap as Wales, but it would definitely be cheaper than London. Plus I could probably find occasional work at the University where I worked, where they now have the grandiose sounding "European Xenopus Research Center".

I used to postdoc for the head of the centre, St. Matty of Portsmouth, and we had a surprisingly good relationship. He's pretty good at finding odd jobs for various scientific rejects. Plus they could probably use my "expertise" with trops.

But somehow I just can't get off my butt and do anything. I enjoy dramatic situations, and will probably wait until it is too late to do anything.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

My son does my hair. I end up with what he thinks I should have and not what I've asked for. Apparently, because he's my son that's ok, according to him! To be honest though, he's usually right and his way often does look much better.

You must enjoy the knife edge aa. Personally, I avoid stressful situations, just can't cope with them the way I once did.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ahh damn, you've activated my competitive side and need for one (wo)man-upship (is that a word?).

I've lived in Lodz (Poland), Sharjah (United Arab Emirates, next to Dubai), Southampton (UK), Philadephia (US), Portsmouth and London.

Really I don't care where I live, as long as it has the internet and geckos.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I've lived in Manchester, Wales and Tenerife. Somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as UAE, Zagreb, Philadelphia or Poland though.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I didn't know you lived in a Spanish-speaking country, Hollie! How long were you in Tenerife? I've lived in Scotland and Spain - not very well travelled at all really. Just went out (first time in over a year) to a political meeting of all things. Got my neighbour to keep an eye on mum while went to a public Yes campaign meeting. Came home with lots of Yes badges, car stickers and pens. Well one of each to be exact. When is Wales getting a vote for Independence?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, I'll tell you in the other place, go there I have info for you!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Ah, I think Scotland would need to achieve independence first, before Wales had any chance. At present, many people here fear the thought, I'm sad to say.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Only six months, which also ended in my arrest! Very long story, and no, I didn't knowingly break any laws.

Most Northerners would like the opportunity to vote for independence too. I think, Scotland and Wales should go for it. Shame to lose them, but perfectly understandable.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I can completely understand Scotland wanting to leave the UK.......but if they leave that makes it quite possible that the Tories will win again. I'm not saying things will be very different if Labour was in power....I mean look what happened under New Labour, but I'd really relish the smug smirk being wiped off Cameron's face (and chances are high that he would lose the leadership of the Tories as well if he loses in 2015).


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I think he'll get kicked out before 2015, I'd hazard a guess at next year. The Tories are notoriously disloyal. They have their lobbying income to consider.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

The thing is, the Scottish votes have never counted. It does not matter who we vote for, the party in power will be the ones the English home counties voted for. One of Maggie's terms resulted in Scotland having only 2 Tory MPs, but she still got in! Apparently we have just 1 now, and the Tories are in power. (out of something like 93)

New Labour was far more right wing than Labour. That is why Tony Blair got it. When I call him Tory Blair it is not a misprint.

I cannot believe that even now we have 'Labour' MPs voting for welfare cuts.

Even traditional Scottish Tories were far more caring than the type Maggie gave birth to.

I would bet that the next political power in the UK will be a UKIP/Tory alliance. The EC has not been kind to Scotland.

Much of that had to do with Westminster getting the best deal for the Home Counties, at the expense of the Scots, Welsh and northerners.

That said, Scotland wants to be part of Europe, because the basic underlying concept is good. It gives our businesses a fighting chance against the money-men of the rest of the world. Free trade within Europe - the IMF must have have belched at that! Someone tried to start a discussion about the World Bank in the forums, and the only reason I didn't jump in was because the English language used was suspect. Such a shame, there is lot to be discussed there, among the people.

I think if we had a strong voice in Europe (or any voice come to that) we would do well under the EC. Someone to speak up for the Scottish fishing industry, for example, and not a government willing to sign away all rights. This little town I live in used to be buzzing. The harbour overflowed with fishing trawlers from Thursday through to Sunday when they all went out again. Now I can count about 12 boats, and they are in at different times. The town is dead. If you watched the TV program 'Trawlermen' it did not reflect our local fishing community. None of the boats here were big enough to take in a £million haul.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, it's the same with parts of England. Our preferences on the ballot are worth nought! Conservative/UKIP coalition is a very scary thought indeed. But I do not believe it will happen (however much Murdoch wants it) All the pomp about Farrage receiving 15% of the vote is exactly that, pomp. By elections are about protest, but more that that, they're often about Europe- Farrage may take the vote when it comes to Europe, but that's it.

I think it was '89 when the Greens received 15% of the vote, but they didn't secure a seat in parliament until 2010. Murdoch's money couldn't secure Cameron a Majority in 2010, despite the massive failings of New Labour. Murdoch's also discredited, and for now, so are the Coalition- he may think that his Wat won it headlines helped in the past- but they'd need a bloody miracle now. I'm more worried about "One Nation Labour" and where they'll take us.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Wow! I feel very strange after reading where all you guys have lived before. I've never lived anywhere else but on our land for my 62 years on the planet. I must admit though, I do have a feeling of permanence here. I've never thought about living anywhere else.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I moved around in Scotland a few times. With my husband, I think we had 5 addresses in 25 years. We didn't actually have to move, we just did. Bigger apartments, houses, houses with gardens etc - what we needed at the time.

Meanwhile, my parents only ever made two moves in their lifetimes, the second of which landed them here. I never liked this house much. But they were here for 40 years, and their 'essence' is here. I need to make the best of things, but have started on the changes. The first two include replacing that gas cooker I had doubts about, and installing a walk-in shower for mum. There are no decent workmen around, but I have already made contact with someone my Dad trusted. Whether I trust him to assist is still undecided.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I'm not sure I enjoyed moving around all that much. Especially the first move from Poland to the UAE when I was 6 was pretty traumatic. It's hard to imagine a greater culture shock. I went to school without a word of Arabic, ofc kids pick up languages very quickly, but it wasn't easy.

Then when I was 11 my parents decided that the state schools were qrap (they were) and sent me to a private school that taught in English, so I was without language again (although a lot of people there spoke Arabic so it wasn't as hard the second time round).

I don't really feel I really belong anywhere, I have a lot of attachment to Poland, but I've never gone to school there, or worked there, so I'm not sure how well I would cope if I lived there. I actually like being in England, I've lived here for years, but I don't feel a huge obligation to fit in, I can if I feel like it, but if I don't, I have the "I am a foreigner, my ways are not your ways" excuse. And British people are very tolerant overall.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Yet parents are continually advised that younger children cope better with big changes than older children. Your experience suggests otherwise.

The only life-changing experience we put our children through was the move to Spain, where they not only had to learn to adapt to a new environment, they had to learn a new language. They hated it, but were just starting to come round when their Dad decided to leave me. He gave them a choice apparently - stay here with Mum, or go home with Dad. I have been assured since that this momentous decision was their choice. At ages 9 and 11, and not fully settled, their dad must have felt wonderful when they chose him.

The fact that I was not there at the time (I was working) probably never entered anyone's mind.

I got a message to tell me they had all left the country and that my car was at the airport, if I cared to recover it.

Like that mattered!

I'm now re-building relations with my now-adult children, but I have lost so much. I keep seeing those little girls in my imagination, but they are taller than me now.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

To UK people here. I just attempted to make a lasagne for only the second time in my life.

It's just too much work to make a bolognaise sauce AND a cheese sauce, so I took advantage of Tesco's special offer of Dolmio sauce mix jars at £2 each.

Using Tesco's own steak mince (2 for £7), made it up and have fallen back in love with food. It was delicious. Far too much for two people of course, but wonderful all the same.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

@Izzy that is a terrible story ( about your children leaving you, not the lasagne obviously). I'm glad you are trying to rebuild ties. They weren't quite responsible for their decisions at that age.

The lasagne sounds wonderful! I think there was something in one of Jamie Oliver's shows (although I usually find him rather annoying) about how he can't be bothered to make cheese sause so I think he just uses cottage cheese or something.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Hello, sports fans. Well, I published my latest hub a few days back.

First, the good news. QAP happily digested it and burped an H in due course.

Now, the bad news. If I ever thought I had a sure-fire topic and pic that would make Pinterest explode in re-pins and traffic, this hub was it. Alas, so far it has been completely ignored. Meanwhile a lot of my other pins are getting re-pinned as usual. I have just about decided to revoke my legend-in-my-own-mind status. Oh, well...

Meanwhile, still a happy camper in general though.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Busy thread tonight... Yawn. Off to bed.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Does anyone know of an easy way to scroll to the bottom of a page using an ipad and chrome? This page refreshes every time I jump between tabs and always takes me back to half-way down the comment section and I then have to manually flick and flick to get to the bottom. Any shortcuts?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I am ipad illiterate. Does ipad have home and end keys or equivalents?


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

That's awful, Izzy, and sounds illegal. My girls were given a choice, but it took place via the court welfare service and took several months. I lost all the money I had fighting for custody, but I had my girls. This was in the early 90s, when mortgage interest was at an all time high, so we had several years in poverty because my mortgage took up two thirds of my salary. However, this made us closer and it also taught the girls a lot about money management.

Haven't made lasagne for years because I hate using my big gas oven (only got it because David liked gas, but it's c__p and the grill inside is useless). However, I recently bought a small combined convection/grill/microwave oven, which is an ideal replacement for one person. I am starting to enjoy baked/roast things again.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Well, sports fans. I'd like to accomplish great things today. But don't know where to begin. A new hub would be nice, if I can come up with a topic that has a chance in... :D


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Happy Saturday Campers! Good to see you, PDS. Thought you'd run off and joined a religious cult


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I can picture Para as a "Moonie." :p


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Morning Peeps! @ para, your experiences in a religious cult might make a good topic for a hub.

Need to motivate myself to go outside with a camera and look for some crocuses or other signs of spring. Fractals obviously are of no interest to the philistines on Zazzle! This is my curse, I am interested in all sorts of very cool things, unfortunately nobody else finds them cool.

I'm also in danger of running out of niquitin tablets, to which I've been addicted for over a year, so I guess I will make it outside today!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I shouldn't really have discussed it on an open forum, but it's there now. He took them and hid my passport. I'd been in touch with the consulate for a new one when I was attacked and battered, and ended up in hospital with a broken back (I lost 3 vertebrae). Within 3 months I had to return to work, because the girl I had left in charge of my bar ran off with all the stock leaving me in serious debt (she'd ordered in crates of alcopops and all sorts of stuff). Then someone stole my dog, which is the best dog I ever had.

For 3 years I worked 18 hour days, 7 days a week, trying to earn enough to bring my children back, but it never panned out and I ended up losing the business which was on a slow slide due to the decline in business thanks in part to the increase in all-inclusive hotels in the resort.

Then I was unemployed and living off bread and water (literally) as there is no unemployment benefit in Spain for the self-employed, even though I'd paid National Insurance. At least I was skinny in those days! Meanwhile my kids had settled into a council house that their father obtained easily (probably why he stole them, so he could get all the benefits going) and returned to the school they'd attended before we moved abroad. I couldn't move them again. It would have been heartless. I couldn't return home either. I was stuck. Now I am re-building relations but it is not easy. They have had 8 years of venom spoken against me by his family, and some of it has stuck.

So there you go. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, so they say.

Have you seen those halogen ovens? They are super, and really cheap. It's a gas oven mum has, but my preference is for an electric fan oven. Your microwave sounds ideal, all the same.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Hollie, Randy, aa lite. I was sulking after my last hub topic failure. However, I have recovered.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Forums are buried in freaking religion threads again... I'd do another rant about it, but I've just plain given up in that regard.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes, the religious threads are hopeless. No one ever changes anyone's mind.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

And I'd say over 90% of us are sick and tired of seeing those topics, yet HP refuses to enable us to filter them.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It doesn't bother me any longer as I can't respond to them anyway. Just get banned from the forums and you'll see for yourself. lol!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I just did a self-ban of 7 days, but that was because of my sulking over my last hub's epic traffic fail. However, I just might do another 7 cuz I really, really am sick of going there and seeing nothing but religion words shoved in my face. It's at the point where I just plain don't want to go there anymore because of it.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I've found dealing with delusional people is not worth my time. They are delusional for a reason. Why, I don't know! :o


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I think it's truly terrible that there is no easy way of removing the "religion and politics" topics from the forums. One of the reasons I haven't really ventured there much in the last few days.

I can't really understand the motivation of allowing all that stuff. I guess it generates traffic for HP, but is the traffic all that useful?


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Izzy, I researched halogen ovens a lot, but in the end decided on the convection/grill/microwave combination because I found lots of people saying they had problems adapting standard recipes. At least with my combination oven, I can use each function separately to bake, grill or microwave in the normal way. Also, it seems many halogen ovens give up the ghost very quickly. I know they only cost 10-20% of what I paid, but I wasn't happy with the idea of such a disposable item.

As for the forums, it is ridiculous we cannot filter them as desired. I used to have Edweirdo's filter and really miss it.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I just discovered a "trick". Instead of focusing on the hub titles, I focus on the topic titles. Only when the topic is not "Religion and Philosophy" do I then focus on the hub title to see what it's about. I know it sounds strange, but it really works.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Really I am mostly interested in HubPages and writing online topics on the forums. I mean obviously I am interested in all sorts of topics, but I see no reason to discuss them specifically on these forums.

I was ventured into a forum about Israel/Palestine (I think that's where Hollie and I met). Now I used to very active on many middle east forums, many years ago, when the Oslo "peace process" had started. I had many very pleasant fights with various right wing Israelis, settlers, Peace Now Israelis etc. I especially fondly remember one blog/forum called Bibiwatch.

Never once did we waste time discussing whether Palestinians really exist. Even the most rightwing settlers took that as a given (I guess living side by side with people demonstrates their existence). And yet that seemed to be the main argument of the pro-Israeli Americans from NY. That there are no Palestinians!

Anyway I'm off in search of tablet nicotine, sunshine and nice pictures!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I meant "thread titles", not "hub titles". I am but a shadow of my former self. LOL


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Weird. Saturday has hardly even started, but my traffic is already starting to inch back up after Friday's usual drop. Is a new best week of year 2013 in the offing? Only Google knows for sure...


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Remember the thread well, aa. I wasted so much time in there, it just became about trashing anyone who supported the Palestinians bid for statehood. I was deemed to be an anti-Semite on multiple occasions, and if I remember correctly you was deemed to be "not scholarly" enough.

Nowadays, I'd rather make a laptop skin, at least that's productive.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

PDS, where has your productivity thread gone? It used to inspire to do things.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I'll go resurrect the thing to help dilute the religion threads.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Yay!


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

I usually give the religious threads a wide berth. Life's too short, and my interest in religion - never huge to start with - has waned over the years. I think Simone was hinting recently that they might actually put a filter feature on the forums? Perhaps HP is finally realising that those how-many-angels-can-you-get-on-the-end-of-a-pin threads are actually putting people off from participating in forum life.

Re lasagne: have to admit I can't stand Dolmio but I totally second the idea of a cheese sauce substitute (my preferrred one is mozzarella sprinkled with grated cheddar and/or parmesan).


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Randy, my last comment was filtered because it had the word, "p a y d a y" in it. LOL


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I love lasagne, to me that is real comfort food. Haven't tried using Mozzarella. I'm hungry now. :(


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I've lately had enchilada cravings. And I've yet to find a place that has really good ones. The trials and tribulations never end... :D


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

It's fajitas for me. I once found an amazing recipe in Tesco magazine, of all places. The pico de gallo salsa in it is particularly good. One of the great tips is to add the marinade from the meat to the fried onion and peppers at the end. Damn....I think I'm gonna have to go and make them.

In the meantime I've just restocked on my favourite comfort food. The Egyptian equivalent of baked beans, ful madames. I got several tins of the stuff, I absolutely love it. Fava beans in a garlicky sauce, with cumin (I think), other spices, sesame paste and generally all excellent things. Sold in lots of iranian, turkish or International small food stores here.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Not anymore, Para. The vulgar "payday" word is now approved. :o

Back inside because I got the tractor stuck again. Lotta rain here the last few days in between the perfect springtime temps. Hard to stay inside very long at a time when it's so wonderful outdoors. A cool snap today at 69 degrees. Y'all shut up about food, you know I'm a diet now! :p


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Incidentally I find the reaction of Bostonians celebrating like it's some sort of major sports victory really weird.

I mean obviously it's a good thing that they caught the guy, but the three people who were killed are still dead, and the people who had limbs amputated and other terrible injuries, are still a tragedy. It's not really a victory in any sense!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I used to love both enchiladas and fajitas, but I ate them way too much and got a bit sick of them. Those beans sound really tasty. Sorry Randy! Would have thought those beans would have been ideal in your diet, with the exception of the sesame seed paste (isn't that quite fatty?)

I've really been trying to avoid the news the past couple of days, it's so depressing. Hadn't heard about the reactions of Bostonians.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

PDS, I have a recipe for some really nice enchiladas if you want it, but it's the vege option-suppose you could just add some chicken.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Beans yes, but I've had so many lately I think I'm turning into a legume.

I think the reaction in Boston was one of relief, and some indeed look at it as victory of sorts. But were still an arrogant nation in some ways I'm not very proud of.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Thanks, but I'm not that cooking coordinated. :D There's a restaurant I've noticed that I haven't tried yet. Looks like it might have to-go potential, all depends on their prices.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I love most types of beans. However, I was very disappointed with the ful medames I had in Egypt. They had a really weird, off-putting taste.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Ful - I haven't eaten that in years! In the late 80s I worked around the corner from the British Museum, and there was a nearby coffee shop that sold takeaway ful in aluminium cartons. So when I failed to make my own sarnies in the morning, ful to go was my back-up lunch.

On a related note, I made a really nice 2-bean chilli con carne the other day.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

We grow a lot of beans and peas in our garden. My favorite of them is a type of running butter bean which needs a 4 or 5 foot high fence to climb on. They keep producing until frost and are equally delicious either green or dry. Especially with a smoked ham hock cooked with them for seasoning. Of course you need some cornbread and fresh tomatoes to eat with them.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I have to try these now, I'm intrigued.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Doesn't seem that these have sesame paste in them, just beans, olive oil, garlic, cumin and chilli flakes. Mind you there are several different recipes.

I've never had them in their natural environment WA, only from a can, so can't really tell whether you were just unlucky with the off-putting taste, or you just don't like it. I have to say cumin is a really good spice, but you have to be careful with it. Too much can really mess up a dish.

The dietary info. on these tins is a bit lacking, and I'm not sure it is believable (they originate in the UAE of all places) apparently 400g has about 500 calories, so not exactly top diet food, but 400g is a lot! and they are pretty filling, and cheap!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Isn't a can of baked beans approximately 450 calories as well? As for the ful, I don't remember them as particularly spicy in themselves, but there was a tray of various spices next to them you could add at will. I use loads of spices myself, including cumin, so spiciness, including hot spiciness, would not bother me. In fact, I went back and threw on heaps more spices in an attempt to disguise the underlying taste, which was a bit yuk.

I don't know if there is one particular species of bean used for them. I'm happy with kidney, borlotti, haricot, verts, butter, black, adzuki beans, as well as chickpeas, so am a bit mystified why these did not appeal. From the descriptions I read before going to Egypt, I thought I would really enjoy them!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Despite having a clean driving license and at least 12 years no claims, my car insurance premium has increased year on year, with the exception of this year- it has fell by £85. Really surprised.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Forums are perking up. So far I'm staying out of trouble. Will depart any thread at the first sign of hostility. :D


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Give us a shout at signs of hostility so we can jump in with guns blazing. I'd quite like to get banned.

One of my fellow APs is seriously annoying me, but I feel it would not be good to attack her directly.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Would you be happening to refer to Randy's nemesis?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

No she's not in my AP program, but I guess Randy's nemesis would make a good target for free floating hostility. I will have a look.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

See, this is why I love Randy's hub. There is no hostility any more and people of different political persuasions can come here and talk about other stuff. I've just ventured into the welfare state and warfare thread. PDS, that's your fault.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Janderson is really upset about the "related links", which HP is keeping for itself. I like the term Stella Hubs. If I ever go back to my sci fi book, I might call a character that.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Hollie, that thread is starting to show signs of rowdiness. I just now unfollowed it. :D


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Yes. Whenever I appear in political threads I have a shadow, it starts getting ugly. I'm going to make something on Zazzle.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Who is this janesix person? Now you can say all sorts of things about Muhammed, but the idea that he only had three followers during his lifetime is not something most historians would agree with. See what I mean about the forums, all the time is spent discussing very weird ideas. It's like if I went on a medical thread and started talking about all diseases coming from the imbalance of the 4 humours.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

There are some posters, who, are not only known for saying unbelievably weird things, but launching massive attacks on people. Caution.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Hollie, 2 more threads are now showing signs of rowdiness. Time for me to go to http://hubpages.com/my/activity/forum-topics-follo... and unfollow the whole lot. LOL


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

aa lite, Hollie. I've got 2 really good humor links. I wonder if I should post them here or in the forums to lighten things up. They're good enough that I've already posted them on my website.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

@PDS, you are a sentimental soul. I might reserect some of those. :D

Up to Randy really. And whether he's ok with having links posted here. Love to see them though.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I've unfollowed everything except Happiness and Productivity.

What would you like to see first? Hilarious warning signs or hilarious cats?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

hilarious cats


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Hilarious cats. :) And I've given new life to the giggle thread, despite the big red warning banner.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

The cats are loose.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

And the Warning Signs are posted on the Giggle thread.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Yep, giggled a lot, especially at the cockroach. Can't find that funny video, it was on the liberal conspiracy blog, political, but so very, very funny. It was edited all the way through, even my son thought it was really funny. I must find it for you, PDS.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I have just unfriended someone on facebook, not because I have a problem with this person- but because I'm sick of being completely spammed with their shares. Eleven in the past hour, and this is not uncommon. But the shares are all her links, not varied. Does this make me mean?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

And they all end up in my email. This doesn't happen with anyone else.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I turned off my FB email because I was getting spammed by FB themselves all the time. I've shared a few things, but haven't been near my account page in months.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Nope it doesn't make you mean. My friends usually don't have their own links, and a lot of their shares are interesting, but sometimes it gets annoying.

I actually stopped playing an online game, because I made the mistake of friending some of the my corp buddies on FB. One of them turned out to be the most stupidly rightwing nutter, at least judging by the kind of things he shared. Never realised that when we were just playing the game. He'd share the sort of thing I imagine the EDL would approve of. I mean I am very anti fundamentalist Muslim crazies, even more than most because I've had quite a lot of contact with them, but the sort of thing he posted was just so stupid.

Like how his forefathers didn't die defending freedom, just for this country to be taken over by sharia law.

Now if I really though the UK was going to adopt Sharia law, I wouldn't be posting on FB, I'd be out on the streets against it. But I estimate the danger of that happening to be......very close to zero. At the same time I don't think the British soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners was ok.

In the end I blocked him, but I just wasn't enjoying the game, knowing that the people I flew into battle with were like that.

I don't have many friends on FB, but most of them post updates that I actually enjoy.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Curiouser and curiouser. I stay away from the forums and hub comments for a week. And my profile score gradually increases to 97. Today I make several worthy(?) contributions to both. And my profile score drops 2 points. Must be the rabble-rouser company I keep. :D :D :D


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Post all the links you like guys! As long as their not naughty, of course. lol! Been to a party and just got home. A quiet night here?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Forum carnage was minimal today I believe.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Better luck next time, Para. Don't give up so easily. :p


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Not naming names, but the vast majority of the people who post on the religious threads are mentally ill. No seriously. They usually slip up at some point and mention their meds or something equally revealing. This means that there is no point in arguing with them. They are crazies who can't see beyond their own dogma.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

LOL, Izzy, yes there are some strange types in the religious threads.

I'd be mortified if I were receiving updates containing EDL type messages. They were marching in Manchester a few weeks ago, they are complete and utter nutters. I like English Disco Lovers though!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ahh, look at these:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/gallery/2013/apr/.../?picture=407536831&index=0


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Is anyone selling anything on Amazon lately? Something is very suspicious about the way things are being reported too. I still have several orders from last moth which haven't been shipped and there's no cancelled orders or returns reported on my account.

The items show be in stock so I wonder what's going on. Last year I sold 2 items totaling almost $2000 and they simply disappeared into thin air. Again, no cancellations, no returns, and the items were in stock.

Seems a bit strange, especially the high priced items disappearing. :(


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Not sold a think on Amazon this month Randy. However, I wrote a review of a book written by a fellow Wizzley author( the book is about Wizzley) and she has had multiple sales but I haven't got one. Think it's likely though that other writers are clicking through for the ASIN numbers but then accessing the book through the Amazon site, just in case it be might be perceived as some kind of breach of the rules.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It's still strange to me, Hollie. Last month I was selling stuff every day until the middle of the month when sales abruptly ceased. I'm getting more traffic now and still only sold 2 items this month. I'd sure be interested in how many items HP has sold from my pages this and last month. Didn't they change the amount of time the cookies are active a while back?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I've never sold anything on Amazon through HP, even when I had some content here- I've only ever achieved Amazon sales through Wizzley. I don't know Randy re: the cookies.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Can't comment since I don't get Amazon sales most of the time. I'm at less than 40 clicks and 0 sales so far this month, and that is from several other places as well as HP.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

One thing that I don't understand is that the majority of my clickthroughs to Amazon from HP are "other clicks" rather than product clicks, sometimes I have 0 "product clicks" and 15 "other clicks" in a day. Surely I should have at least one click on a product link for the person to go to Amazon.

I've finally had a sale today, this brings up my sales total to 13. Last month I had 30, of which 29 were shipped. No idea what happened to one of the orders, it's not showing as cancelled, but I don't have much experience with Amazon reporting so don't know how much info. to expect.

The 13 items are from about 360 click through to Amazon, which makes my conversion rate less than 4%, last month it was more than 6%, which is not fantastic, I think.

But I'm not seeing less click throughs to Amazon from HP, I'm just seeing less conversion.

Since Amazon is the main money donator to my being a worthless skiver project, this is going to be a lean month!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I've had a few lean months on Amazon. This is not one of them. OK, I've had no sales for about 4 days, but am only 6 away from 6.5 %.

If you read the Amazon forums, you will see lots of complaints for items ordered and not shipped or cancelled. This is because Amazon has a pretty good idea about when one party knows another, and they then discount all such sales. Might not be fair, but that is how they work it. Basicaly it means that if you give your Amazon link to a friend, and they use it, it'll probably only happen once. Future sales are discounted


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I've always wondered about the other clicks and product clicks too. I assumed (probably completely incorrectly) that it's because I use the gallery type links to Amazon and not the standard ones.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ah I see, so even if they've clicked through and purchased the book I will not receive any royalties because they are writers from the same site.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

This is it in a nutshell. Think about it, Amazon is a giant, much like Google. They can see where the clicks are coming from, same as Google. They see Ip addresses, patterns, etc. Then they don't pay out. They have that power. Sometimes they get it wrong. They will never admit it. They want Google searchers to find your link. If it doesn't happen that way, you will never hear about it. All you will see is the order, end of story.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Oh well, good thing I've got a referral banner on there too.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Jeez, I read the Amazon posts here. Glad I gave up on Amazon a long time ago. And I'll tell ya, if someone shafted me out of the commissions on $2K's worth of sales, there would be hell to pay. Every relevant government agency on the planet would hear about it. And I would publicly trash that thief repeatedly on all my websites for the next 5 years. Just saying...


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I still think it pays better than Adsense (which is getting increasingly stupid, 2p clicks anyone?).

Ultimately if they think there is something "wrong" with one of my orders last month, they've made a mistake, I know very few people in the States, and I haven't told any friends about my hubs.

But it is still better to use a site that you can make money from, than not make any money.

Although I have to say there is a lot of trust involved in using any affiliate program, or revenue sharing site for that matter. It is so easy for them to make "mistakes" in their favour. Hopefully the thought of the stink that would happen if they cheated and were found on, keeps them on the straight and narrow.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

My writing endeavours are apparently not conducive to Amazon sales. So it was easy for me to write them off and walk away. In my case, no harm, no foul, no damages done. As such, we are still best buddies. I'll still buy products from them at the drop of a hat. :D


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Thing is, Para, there are people doing just what you are threatening to do, right now.

Who?

Exactly. They might listen to you if you were a media giant, but if you were a media giant you would laugh in the face of an Amazon referral fee. It' the small guys get in the neck, as always, and ther is nothing we can do.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

And also, how would we make "the discovery" if we were all getting royally shafted, and ex-employee? Bet they'd have that angle covered too with some clause in their contract of employment.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I think what it comes down to, is everyone looks at traffic sources. We are supposed to be paid with Hubads per view, but the price paid depends on the source. I get very low CPMs on hubs or hub accounts where the views come from hubbers, even if they are referrals.

I also get very low payments if the views come from Bing or Yahoo, but the price rises steeply if they come from Google.com. The other Googles take back seat too.

If Amazon.com work the same way, then we can forget giving links to friends or acquaintances.

Strangely enough, views from PInterest seem to pay much the same as Google, even though they are not clickers.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Randy has stated we can post whatever non-naughty links we want here. Here is my general opinion of Corporate America, among other things. It's a barn-burner... :D

http://paradigmsearch.hubpages.com/hub/Civil-Right...


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ha! Izzy, just noticed you've reached 1 million views. Actually you might have reached it a while ago, only just noticed. But anyway, congratulations!

Incidentally, did they send you one of the emails "only x% of amazing hubbers have achieved this amazing achievement". I think they told me something like that when I "achieved" lvl4 commentator. What percentage of hubbers had 1m views?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Enjoyed your hub, PDS. I've seen that video before too (not Elton John)

Congrats on the million milestone, Izzy.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I bet DHS is absolutely, positively thrilled with her Homeland Security hub. :D


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I hate cryptic messages!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I reached 1 million views in the days after Dad died. I can't say what HP said to me in their automated email, I didn't read it.

Thanks for the congrats :)

Like Randy, I should have seen that accolade years before. I see on average 450 views per day. Hardly the views of someone with popular hubs?

Here is an interesting statistic to chew on.

Across all my subdomains, I am probably seeing similar views to what I saw in the glory days of HP.

But I am earning a fraction of what I used to earn.

I'm seeing less than $10 a day, regardless of reaching payout levels.

I used to get $30 a day,


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Well, folks. I did another Pinterest experiment. It failed again, but this time I was smart. Instead of investing something like 20 solid hours on a hub, I invested 30 minutes on a blog post instead. So that is my path forward for the immediate future. 30 minute gambles; not 20 hour gambles.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'm confused re: DHS?

Adsense clicks are just awful, the amounts are insulting.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Department of Homeland Security

re: Adsense. Been with hpads for months now. They do good.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Oh and on the subject of Dolmio sauces. I hate them more than most. One time at my ex's house, I went to the effort of buying in all the herbs as well as the veg to make my kids a meal to remember.

He came home and immediately added a Dolmio bolognese sauce to my dish! I wasn't too happy but there you go, it was his house, and his kitchen, and his kids too.

I wish now things had been different, but we cannot change the past.

Those Dolmio sauces still make a mean lasagne!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'm rubbish at promotion, completely rubbish. I'm also completely rubbish at keyword research. I have Market Samurai and still haven't mastered it, I always get distracted and end up doing something else when I should be learning about the software- daft when you think that I've paid for it. I must make a concerted effort to go over the information and digest it, finally!

I think I've spent the last 18 months just learning about the internet, and there's been so many changes in that time. I like Zazzle, I don't have to think about it. I can just lose myself and paint something whilst listening to whale music.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, it's always *their* house! My ex mother in law constantly reminded me of that. She was an old witch! Not keen on Dolmio sauces, I like the pasta sauces made by someone and I can't remember their name. A well known brand, a man wearing glasses.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I'm thinking of starting another sub. May possibly write a little here too, it's just the hassle of getting featured and the constant tweaking that puts me off.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I would love to write new stuff on this subdomain, but it's just too much of a risk. It really is hit or miss. I wrote a really long and detailed hub (over 3000 words) two years ago. It still gets most of its hits from a related subdomain I started since. It answered a question previously unanswered and was completely unique. It took a lot of research and still is the only article on the web that answers a specific query.

It's had about 3,500 views, but in my opinion should have had ten times that figure.

When I wrote it, I hadn't started other subs.

Since then, I have had this issue come up - where to place new content - and in all honesty if you are not already garnering thousands of views on your original subdomain, then place it on a new one.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

"A well known brand, a man wearing glasses."

Lloyd Grossman?

I must admit I prefer making my own pasta sauce - there are no dodgy additives, it has more of a tomatoey flavour and you can control the amount of salt you put in (my other half doesn't do salt). Fry onions for five mins. Then add garlic, immediately followed by a small amount of flour (enough to coat the onions thinly). Stir to distribute flour. Add a carton of passata, plus herbs if wanted. Simmer for 15-20 mins. If I'm doing a bolognese, I'll add raw beef mince and chopped raw bacon straight after the passata. It cooks while the sauce is simmering - there's no need to fry first. Taste the mix near the end and add a tiny amount of sugar and/or Marmite to tweak the flavour if necessary.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

This is the hub I referenced - http://hubpages.com/education/What-Kind-of-Sharks-...

If you know of a better one that answers this specific query, please let me know :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Not a chance I knew the people who ordered the high dollar items from Amazon. And this isn't the first time this has happened to me. I have one hub that has always garnered me sales every since I created it. I've sold many items ranging from 50 to 150 dollars each. Now even though I'm still getting the same traffic and clicks sales are few and far between. Something smells!! :(


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Shut it down for 30 days, then restart. They might get the hint? Something similar seemed to work for me re: eBay.

edit: Just the Amazon capsules, not the entire hub.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Randy, chances are you never did know them or know where they came from. But Amazon has decided not to pay out anyway. Most of my earnings drop has got to have come from the loss of Amazon sales. Then again, I only have a fraction of the Amazon clicks I used to get so maybe it is all down to Google.

I never did crack Google. Amazon yeah it is easy but Google no.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Para, I am convinced that success with Pinterest depends a lot more on who you know, rather than what you pin. I've seen beautiful images with hardly any pins, and boring images with masses of pins. It's all about the connections. The problem of course is that the pinners at the top of the hierarchy won't follow the little fry like us!

Holly, are you pinning your Zazzle products? There is a community board called Zazzlistic, anybody can join. If you have trouble finding me, tell me your pinterest name, and I'll try to connect you. Not saying it does any good, but you never know.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Boston bomber was from Dagestan - http://hubpages.com/travel/The-Republic-of-Dagesta... - wrote this 2 years ago


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

EF, yes, him. I could see his face in my mind's eye but could not, for the life of me, remember his name. I don't often buy pre-made sauces, just now and again for convenience. Your recipe sounds lovely. Weird, I'm an on/off vegetarian, but have been thinking about meat today- lamb of all things! Reading your recipe has made me think about meat again, and really craving it (especially the part about bacon) In the past when this has happened, I've caved!

Izzy, that hub should be HOTD, it's so well written, researched and very detailed . I've hardly anything on my sub now, moved it all last time I was slapped. And I'd just started putting loads of work in and writing long, detailed hubs! Might try a new sub and see how it goes.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Actually, if you can be arsed. you should go read this hub because it was one of my light-hearted efforts. After reading it again, I would appreciate your opinions )


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

aa, I pin a few products- I didn't know about the Zazzle board. Cheers, my name on Pinterest is Lisa Diver. My real names all over the internet now anyway so not really bothered about the anonymity thing.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Big hugs Hollie, and thanks! It will never be HOTD with stolen photos and all sorts lol - I never was too good at the attributions but I bet no-one complains when a PR5 site gives them a link-back. OK my sub isn't pr 5...


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, just so we're clear, I meant the sharks hub. Not read the other one yet. :) Well, Pr 3,4,5. It's all much of a muchness (as my granddad used to say, and I have no idea what it actually means)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

aa lite. I've gotten pretty fed up with Pinterest. My repins of others' pins get repinned, but my own pins don't get repinned. As such, I've been unfollowing folks there right and left. As an example, someone posts a look-at-the-pretty-white-pair-of-shoes, that person is immediately gone! lol

edit: and anybody that uses the word, "yummy".


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Izzy, I have no idea what this says about me, but, I found the hub to quite humorous and people have left really serious comments. Think I must have a very warped sense of humour, but it was your tone- re the Google map, directions and other things. Love the lamp post on the beach!

Please God say it was meant to be humorous or there is possibly no hope for me!

PDS, you are my pinpal and possibly the only person who repins me. I get completely sick of those fashion pins from HM or whoever, they just spam the place with clothes and jewellery. You pin something and it gets lost in the mass of backless tops and feather earrings. I want to out spam that person.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hollie, all my sharks hubs have stolen photos too. I have tried to find out who owns them.But, one thing is for certain, it is not me.

I write about them, I don't even want to be near enough to photograph them.

I do reference back to the site that carried the most interesting photo, all the same.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Could you not ask the sites permission to use them? Or see if we can find similar photos which you can use?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Izzy. Go to Google images. Enter "shark site:.gov", without the quotes. You'll get all the free and easy public domain shark pics you want.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hey well-spotted. I wrote that hub in a light-hearted fashion, assuming the reader planned a vacation there.

Why, half of Hubpages were/are potential clients!

Funny how you picked up on the lamp post photo! I'd forgotten about that.

Further up in that hub the words I wrote were "As many people are now planning their summer vacations, and Trip Advisor ** have an entry for Dagestan, I am just writing to warn you to steer clear." That came pretty near the top.

I can relax. Boston bombing is not my fault! I'm only the messenger, don't shoot me.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I have one hub which has been pinned almost a 1000 times. It gets views but doesn't make much money. Not sure Pinterest is worth all that much as far as earnings are concerned.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Thanks Para :)

Up until now I have never been able to find a photo I'd want to use. That said, everyone was using 'close encounter' photos that should have had a re-sale value.7

The best I could do, was to add their url to the photo. Now that is no longer good enough.7

Hmmm!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I thought it was meant to be light hearted, it's just when it came to the comments I was confused! You know the "thank you for protecting us" type comments.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Remember that the comments section is set up to reinforce the main keywords in the hub itself.

Not only can they re-inforce your keywords "I'm so glad you wrote about the political situation in Dagestan', they can re-inforce other words like "connection" or "political".

I hate politicians!

I also hate lawyers.....


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Ok, who's up for this mass exodus? Could become a colony of hubbers?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/apr/22/mars...


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Holy Hot Dog! I just dropped by Pinterest. Somebody's been busy...


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Does that Mars colony have cable, internet access, and a dark chocolate factory? Otherwise, it's probably a deal breaker.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

btw, if any of you slackers feel like pinning some worthy pics... http://pinterest.com/holliethom/


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Isn't this just typical? That Dagestan hub of mine has only attracted 100 odd views in 18 months, but now that the place is in the news it is not featured! Missed the boat again.


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Pin it Izzy, and we can give it the treatment.

Between us all, we need to develop a Pinterest strategy.

PDS, I did mention my ambitions last night re: Pinterest. Not sure about the chocolate factory PDS, only time will tell.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I tried another Pinterest experiment. No luck. But no significant time invested either, so no big deal. I'll try another one in a few hours when USA is awake.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I'm starting to feel a bit homicidal. The evil landlords (parasites on society) who own flats in my building have decided to "improve" it, resulting in the amazing din for months.

Today the noisy guy has come in to my flat to install something (fire alarm speaker I think), and in the middle of doing this, he stopped and went to have a half hour conversation with one of the evil parasites, so I'm sitting here with my front door open, and not really feeling like I can do anything.

If I attack him with my biggest knife/kettle of boiling water when he comes back, do you think the jury will find that justifiable?


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

Might be better to politely ask "Will this take long, only I'm expecting visitors shortly?" If he only gives vague response, then attack with knife. Could be argued that it was due provocation.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I'd go to a place with free wi-fi and stay away until evening!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

aa lite, I went through something like this when the landlord decided to do a roof upgrade on an apt I was renting long ago. The noise slamming through was horrendous. What could I do? All the other tenants were at work for the day, so no problem for them. Slacker me was at home doing day trading at the time. You are being subjected to a non-bad-faith life tribulation. WA is right. Think of somewhere to go and depart to there with much rapidity. :D :D :D


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well, after pondering the teachings of the stoics, I allowed him to live. The thing that gets me is, it was supposed to take 15 minutes but went on for over an hour, because of all the conversations!

Now I need to motivate myself to go out in search of sauerkraut. I invited a friend for bigos, and he said that he could come sometime this week, but not specifically when. Because I don't work, people seem to think that there is no need to tell me minor details like that ahead of time, and I"d like to cook the stuff the day before.

Actually I think bigos can be eaten over a number of days, and improves with multiple reheatings, but it is so embarrassing to give people food poisoning!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Hey I think I'm on the front page of Wizzley, nice :) I guess I should write some more Wizzley things.

Don't think I am getting any organic traffic there, though. The folks at Wizzley are nice, but need to earn money. But I do have an idea for my second article there, so it shouldn't be too hard to at least write something number 2.

Funny thing is,because I think my first articles are "checked" there, I don't feel like writing any super


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Haven't tried Wizzley yet but I'm really not too motivated at the moment to write anywhere. Still just creating my fiction for my own pleasure but perhaps I'll get back in the swing of things as my RV articles are starting to pick up a bit as they usually do this time of year. Still ticked about the sudden lack of Amazon sales I usually receive. I still think something is fishy with the program lately. :(


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I wonder what has happened to Mr. Hat lately? I'll bet Sissy misses his gung-ho posts also. They come and go so quickly these days.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well I am putting most of my effort into HP, but want to build up Wizzley slowly as well, It has the best Zazzle handling abilities of any site I've used, and I think the pages look great.

HP could really learn something from them about adding allposters and Zazzle etc. to affiliate programs. If Wizzley can do it, I really don't see why HP couldn't. And Wizzleys Amazon is not blocked by ad-blocker. I pointed this out on the "suggest a feature" forum, and it was even bumped once by WryLilt, but sadly HP staff have chosen to ignore it. Not sure if it makes a huge difference, but we probably lose 10% of Amazon sales cause people use adblocker.

The thing about allposters and Zazzle, you get fantastic images that you can legally use on your pages......and the possibility of earning money, what's not to like!


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Hollie Thomas 3 years ago from United Kingdom

I saw you on front page aa, woot! I've noticed with Wizzley the same things that I've noticed here, some articles get traffic immediately and some don't. The other thing however, is once you've got past those first five pages, your pages are indexed super fast. I've found that many pages of mine have been indexed within the hour.

Also, you've probably discovered this already, but you can put your own relevant pages in the sidebar if you want to. Also, I earned $3 on viglink last week. I think that's worth using too. My traffic is growing slowly but nicely there-it's just that sales have been thin on the ground this month. But it appears that's not just an issue at Wizzley.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Mr H's score went down quite massively, which may have demotivated him. That was easy to predict, because it resulted from the big drop in views that would have happened after the effect of the initial social networking efforts wore off.

I'm not motivated to write anywhere at the moment. Nothing I do is profitable, whether here, on Squidoo, on WebAnswers or on my own sites. The start is always encouraging, then after a month or so, earnings/clicks peter off to nothing. I can't complain because I do well with the translation, but I would love to get some passive income going!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Sounds interesting, aa. I think I already have an account on Wizzley and have heard good things about them. I don't know anything at all about Zazzle but will certainly check it out. At the moment monetary returns on my writing isn't really a chief priority for me, but I don't like to be ripped off by content farms which take advantage of their writers.

I think HP putting those related ads on our sub-domain pages AND taking a 40% share of (I still don't understand the exact way they do this) time, earnings, impressions???--is taking advantage of the original agreement. I often wonder if they make more off of their 40% than we do our 60%. There's no way to check so it's merely a trust-us type agreement. It is what it is I suppose.


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