...There Is A Season

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By: Wayne Brown


To Every Thing….Turn, Turn, Turn….


I believe the line goes….to every thing, there is a season, a time to every purpose under heaven.” Now, that is according to the King James Bible. Other editions play on those same words in some manner yet the meaning is for all purposes of the same intent. Now, this is not the opening line of a sermon or my way or launching a career in the pulpit. I will leave that task to more capable men and women of the cloth than my humble, flawed self. My reference here is to say that maybe my season…my time has come here at HubPages to move on…a time to every purpose so to speak.


I have been here on the Hub for over three years now. I have published nearly 700 items made up of political essay, short stories, and a wealth of poetry dealing with a wide assortment of subjects. I have gained a sizeable fan following totaling over 1,000 and achieved views of almost 140,000 to date. On top of that, I wrote 30 hubs for 30 days for 12 straight months the first year although I never took the time to enter their contest to do it for just one month. I have achieved the score of 100 now over 120 times as well as garnering a few other accolades along the way. For all of that, the financial reward has been pitiful to be kind…a couple of hundred bucks and getting worse by the day. Luckily, I did not show up here and stay here for the money but there comes a time when one tires of HubPages making money and sharing so little of it. In fact, HP management seems to continually hunt for ways to make it harder to achieve views or to make money for the writer. That part I can no longer ignore as I feel it makes me look rather dense to continue to allow it.


I have watched change come and go with the HubPages format. The longer change has gone on, the further we seem to get from what the subject should be….writing. The site is moving more toward some kind of video game adventure where one searches for the most effective computer methods to improve their hub scores, views, and income. Every time there is another change in the format, it seems to take us further from the enjoyment of writing and sharing it into some classroom where one must master the manipulation of SEO and other computer-related crap to achieve a purpose. I am quite functional on the computer but I elect not to spend my time which can be used for writing to figure out what this week’s buzzword is down at Google and how things are sorted by search engines relative to title. I am fed up with that aspect of HubPages.

(This is map of the Benghazi, Libya area.  It has no relevance to this article except to say that the word “Benghazi” is a hot one now and will help put some lipstick on this pig for SEO!)
(This is map of the Benghazi, Libya area. It has no relevance to this article except to say that the word “Benghazi” is a hot one now and will help put some lipstick on this pig for SEO!) | Source

…The Quality of the Articles Must Be Improved…

I am also fed up with a format which offers no rhyme or reason for how it evaluates thing yet has the audacity to assign categories of qualification to our work. I have almost 700 hub articles now. With the new “Featured” and “Non-Featured” rating system, I have 39 articles which are red flagged in which “quality” is the cited issue. Twenty of those 39 articles happen to be about politics and the negative side of the Obama administration. Of the remainder, quite a few are poems written either with “ralwus” or about him. I do not find the system to have any credibility and I’ll be damned if I am going to rack my brain picking through any of it looking to raise HubPages appraisal as such. One thing I will say….if you are so damn sure the quality is lacking then have the guts and the fortitude to step up and point out the problem rather than hiding behind a word and a symbol parked beside my article.


I have contemplated leaving a couple of times before when I grew tired of the never-ending changes. It seemed that someone at HP was being paid to change things so they just kept coming up with changes overlooking the benefits of the status quo on quite a few items along the way. No doubt the site lives by the standard that “fundamental transformation” is good. It might be if we knew where we were going and really ask ourselves if we gave credence to what we left behind in the process. Honestly, I see HubPages as a better site three years ago than it is today…but that is just my humble opinion.

(This is a picture of me and my lovely wife…not that it has anything to do with the subject matter of this article other than stand as proof to say that I can do things in a manner that comes out damn good!)
(This is a picture of me and my lovely wife…not that it has anything to do with the subject matter of this article other than stand as proof to say that I can do things in a manner that comes out damn good!) | Source


The rationale offered for this new quality audit and standard is that HubPages is ultimately being hurt by the poor quality of some of the hub articles in terms Search Engine Optimization thus if HP is hurting so is the writer thus the quality of the articles must be improved. I do not for one minute buy the concept that a search engine has any concept of the quality in terms of the verbal content of an article. All one has to do is run a Google search of some random topic to see some of the low grade stuff that comes up on the response. This is not about quality…it is about “gaming the system” for improved exposure and possibly financial reward…that is the ultimate end game.


I have no problem with that concept if you are a writer who is simply looking to optimize the internet for financial purposes. In other words, the money comes ahead of the quality of content thus gaming the system is your first priority. As a writer, I do not for one minute buy into the concept that gaming a system for financial reward has any bearing on the quality of a writer's content or subject material and I, for one, elect not to play that game and certainly not to the financial benefit of HubPages. In the past few months I have seen my view counts cut in half along with a similar reduction in revenue. I have not changed what I have been doing so do not try to sell me the hogwash that my old articles are pulling me down. Oh yeah, something has changed but it is not the quality of the writer’s content. The change came in terms of the altering of search engine criteria so that things like poetry, etc. fell by the wayside. It came because HP continues in a state of “necessary change” which eliminated many features that in the past had contributed to better exposure and viewership. At HP change for the sake of change is a good thing.


I have remained on HubPages up to this point because I have built a supporter base here, some friendships, and because this is where I started. Over time and through trial and error, I have come to realize that one of the things which makes HP good is that their competition is so inept in terms of appeal and functionality. But, they keep trying, and sooner or later some of them are going to get the kinks worked out…it is just a matter of time.


HubPages is not looking for writers…they are looking for packaging engineers!

For the moment, I feel the work that I have done here is rather wasted. I have put a lot of work on the wall and received a lot of very high praise for it. Now, I look at all of that stuff with so much of it having that new little HP icon beside it indicating that the article is “no longer featured because it does not meet the current quality standard”. That is as much information as they can supply apparently. HP does not tell me if I have achieved that status because the readership is too low, there are too many misspelled words, or an over-abundance of poor grammar errors…nothing so specific. No the quality is “poor” because you have failed to complete the “guess work steps” of search engine optimization. Well, ain’t that just a slap in the face with a raw Salmon?


Having exchanged some email with HP Associates on this subject, the lights have suddenly come on as to what really gives here. Basically, this is the way it goes. If I show up with a pig, folks might say, “gee that’s an interesting pig and I’d like to look him over.” But with HubPages, their quality system awaits to point out that what you have brought in is a “pig” and will remain a “pig” until I dress it up like they have instructed me with lipstick, a nice little dress, and maybe some bright white shoes and we got ourselves a state fair winner here folks that no one would think of calling a “pig”. If I applied that logic, most of the books which line the shelves in my house would have never been purchased as there are no pretty pictures on every other page. Basically HP believes that if you dazzle the potential reader with enough eyewash, the written content is good enough. Now I know why songwriters don’t care much for record company executives.


Please taken a moment to complete this totally irrelevant poll included below which is here primarily to add lipstick to the pig. Please select the answer that best fits you at the moment.

I Tend To Agree With....

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Okay…So What Is The Plan?

Do I have a plan….at the present, NO! I do write in some other places as some of you might know by now. There are some options there. Will I do as well as I have done here? Who knows? Who the hell cares? I am just tired of feeling like I am slowly sliding off the side of a muddy mountain top leaving only behind the scratches of my fingernails in the soil on my journey to the bottom. I started off at the bottom and worked my way up here and now I am being told that what got me here is not good enough…do it again. I do have a plan for that…I am not doing it. No how, no way, no sir. Oh, and by the way…next time you run upon an aspiring poet be sure you tell him or her that if they poems are not at least 1100 words in length, then…find something else to do with their time. Savvy search engine experts know that no one reads poems that are not at least 1100 words and include some pictures, a map, a video, and an inspirational poll…now we’re cookin’!


In terms of “gaming the system” and search engine optimization and any significance either might play in the quality content of my writing, I offer you this closing vision. Picture Jack Nicholson playing me in the closing moments of this feature. Nicholson turns to the one in charge and says, “Well, if that’s the way it is, you can color my ass gone.” And they roll the closing credits with much thanks to Google and the closing song of the movie soundtrack reverberates from the speakers, “To every thing, turn, turn, turn, there is a season, turn, turn, turn…and a time for every purpose unto heaven.” Fade to black.


©Copyright WBrown2013. All Rights Reserved.

31 Mary 2013

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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

WB - I share your feelings, you just said it much better than I could possibly say it. I have not published a hub for quite some time due to being accused of duplicate content, one year after the hub was first published. I questioned what exactly was copied, but did not receive a direct answer. In frustration, I just deleted the hub.

I am nowhere near your status as a writer, but occasionally I have something to say. I will also be pulling the plug on hub pages and looking for another place to publish my limited talent contributions.

If you find another place to publish without the censorship we are currently seeing on hub pages, please let me know by private email.

Good luck, and I will miss reading what you have to say.


SilverGenes 3 years ago

Wayne, I totally understand where you are coming from with this. This is not the same place it was even 2 years ago when I joined. All my creative work is off here now - there was just no point. Since I already write here as one of many authors who make the site possible, respect would go a long way but it's sadly lacking. I've had my own go-rounds with the 'powers that be' with duplicate content and quality issues. The only reason I'm still here is because of the people I've 'met' through here. I'll look for you out there in the great beyond and may soon be following :) BTW the videos were great!


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ALUR 3 years ago from USA

I can't say I joined for finances, and I certainly have seen none. I use this site to help me unveil much of the mystery behind my prose, short fiction and poetry. I am delighted to know I have a small fan base that simply "gets" me: a rarity. I would love the honor of being published and certainly a financial reward is welcome, but for now alas, I am an emerald hidden behind the rock of the harsh world of reality peeking when I feel safe enough to emerge and allow the slight illumination of hope through my words...

I do hope to read more of your insight and let you know that writing is sometimes a release if nothing else, so your insight is helpful to many of us...

You're welcome to visit my versatile hubs:)


Vincent Moore 3 years ago

Wayne my talented writer/poet. I am behind you with your feelings here about the Hubs, I to never joined Hubpages for earnings, however as time went by I grew as a poet and like you reached the Holy Grail score of 100 a number of times and felt good about that, yet not knowing it really didn't give a dam. What I found important to me was the growing number of friends and followers I had amassed. Then this past year I saw a decline in readers, many were leaving for various reasons, I became frustrated and finally hired Alexandra Lucas, Silvergenes Group to design a website for me. I've pulled 95% of my Hubs and placed them at VincentMoore.ca and am happy to have done so. I am receiving many more views of my works and a few loyal friends and followers from the Hubs have followed me there and read and leave comments as well. So my friend, move on as you are doing, you will be read no matter where you go. I have linked both of your sites as you know from mine to yours and it's all about traffic my friend, with traffic readers will come and comments will be left. Good luck Wayne and keep in touch.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Old Poolman...They don't need any explanations, Mike. They run the game and the dealer is using their deck. I will email you a couple of sites where you can still catch me from time to time. Thanks much my friend. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@SilverGenes...Good to hear from you, Alexandra. Here is an amusing note...I was immediately notified tonight by the HubPages Team that this Hub did not meet the stringent standards of HP even though it has twice the body of content that they require. The subject is interesting and entertaining. I include a map, a couple of photos, a voter poll, and some video too. I wonder what quality step I left out...hmmmm. Any way, that hacked me off that much more so I pulled down my top ten hubs for traffic count tonight and will pull more tomorrow. I am tired of some computer guru telling me how to be successful as a writer on the internet. Anyway, I am writing on a couple of sites which Vincent has linked on his site. I will probably move some of my stuff to one or the other of them dependin on the content. We'll see where things go from there. Thanks for all your support along the way...it has been a fun journey and you made it all the better with your talent. ~WB


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FitnezzJim 3 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

From your description of your concerns, I'd offer the possibility that HubPages is getting advice from government workers. It is a government culture thing that constantly changing the rules is a good thing. It is called process improvement, and people get promoted for it. Never mind the resulting chaos, that just leads to a need for more process improvements, or more opportunities for someone to point to the changes they are making, and say ‘see? I’m doing my job, I’m improving things’. They eventually get to the point where the churn is constant, is self-deluded as improvements, but to the outside world is viewed as what it is - chaos. Our government is at that state, our country is at that state, and it’s carrying over into web-site hosting at otherwise reputable sites like HubPages.

This constant churn is probably why the overall views at Hubpages are dropping. They appear to have changed their mission - from providing aspiring writers a chance to become good writers (with all the freedom of expression that good writers have) to a site that promotes a quest for views with the apparent assumption being that more views equals good writing. They do this by making suggestions on formatting, offering opinions on content, and offering judgments that appear to be oriented towards that quest – more views.

I’m not a writer, and have no intentions of changing my career to become a writer. The writers here are what drew me in. When I joined HubPages, I made a conscious decision not to sign up to get paid by HubPages. In retrospect, with an IRS gone wild - that is a good thing. Targeting people with conservative views is all the rage, belittling them in ways that seek to undermine their voice, seeking to mislead them into believing they have nothing worthwhile to say, or that their opinion is best left to themselves. It would be a sad day if HubPages has joined that fray, but it appears they have.


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Wayne Brown: A man I respect, admire and appreciate. One man I feel comfortable calling, "my friend."

Wayne.....YOU, are one of few, truly gifted & genius writers, here at the Hub. Please know, I may not be a famous horticulturalist.....but I KNOW an exquisite field of breathtaking blossoms and all beauty of nature.....when I see it. You are like this "field," to me. I sincerely Thank you, for the many vibrant, fresh, invigorating bouquets......I will treasure always.

While I am sad as so many others, to see you leave, I completely understand. I respect your decision and firmly believe you know what is BEST for Wayne, at this time. Every word you have shared here, is undeniable fact. Facts, that 90% of us are painfully aware of and yet, allow ourselves to continue to trudge on. For what reason and for how much longer, only each individual can decide, in their own time & manner.

I will freely admit.....since I found myself in R&R-mode a few months back.....I came to the realization that my original jump into the pool here, had me loving the swim. More than anything, I quickly enjoyed the company here. Our fellow writers are some of the nicest, wisest and personable individuals, I have ever had the pleasure of getting to know. However, the "waters," have long ago, become a bit shallow & cold.....and I'm not really a strong swimmer. I cling to inner tubes.

You and your ultra-gorgeous wife are such an attractive couple.....( as though this comes as a shock to you!) Wow! I literally SEE, the calm, yet raging LOVE, in your eyes.....both of you. Thank you so much for this image I can place in my album of fond memories.......

Take a huge bear hug, from me....as you make your graceful exit, Wayne. I am comforted by knowing I can see you elsewhere. Please email me the directions. Explicit directions....remember my directional dysfunction. Wishing you ...All your dreams, come true.

Love, Paula..................UP+++++++++++++++++ :(


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Wayne, these comments are proof that you are one of the most loved and respected writers on hub pages. I can assure you that a notification of a new hub from you is always a bright spot in my day, and I will miss that.

It would seem that those who write cookie recipe hubs are the one's who never get hassled by the monitors. With duplicate content in mind, how many different ways can one write the same recipe? While I do love cookies, I spend little or no time reading cookie recipes.

You my friend have talent and a knack for saying what needs to be said in a way most can understand. That talent and hard work should not be wasted on a site where your efforts are not appreciated.

I predict that your departure from hub pages will trigger a mass exodus of talented writers. Many have already left for more writer friendly venues.

Hub pages may have written their own obituary with the constant rule changes and censorship we have been seeing.

Wherever you decide to publish your work will see a tremendous gain in readership. Good luck and you will be missed.

Mike


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@ALUR....Everyone has their own reasons for being here. It was a place that I landed in trying to gain my courage to actually share anything with anyone regarding my writing. That purpose has been served to some degree but mostly early on. I can sympathize with your emotion and shyness but I encourage you to let your imagination go and cast aside your fears...you will show your best when you do that. I am not leaving due to the money which I never expected would be much. At this point, it has become more a game of filling the squares in a format that some computer guru has decided will best attract views. If the pig has enough lipstick on it, they figure that no one will notice that it is a pig. I do not agree with that approach and if it were true, every book sold would have to have a pretty picture on each page. Regardless, that has become their approach and I feel it is too much of a distraction from the writing to concentrate on those aspects. My idea of quality in writing is when I plan to make you cry or laugh and I do....I did it right...that is what matters. That is what grabs attention. That is what holds interest and that is what brings the reader back to see you again. My feedback does not come from "Joe Blow" who is out surfing the web...it comes from the readers who frequent this site and the other writers who are here as well. At any rate, I refuse to sit here and have my hubs classified as "not up to par" on the basis of some SEO checklist designed by a 22 year old fresh out of college IT student. Thus...it is best to let it go and move on before I become embittered about it all. I have made a lot of friends here and received much praise for my writing. For that I am very glad and very thankful...it is priceless and more than enough reward for the time spent here. Thanks much! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Vincent Moore....Thanks much for those kind words. I appreciate you linking the other sites to yours. I know that one of them will be growing and I am in wait and see mode on the other. I will drop you an email and exchange some info with you on options for the future. You have done what I would like to consider at some point if I could get the format to serve multiple genres in the process. We came through here at a magical time I think and the time that Charlie, you, and I were getting our legs, it was the most fun. I always said that Alexandra wrote like "butta" with such ease and flow that just drew one into her many stories. Charlie was amazing and continues to be with his ability to find some verse in everything...some of it you can actually understand! LOL! Just kidding, CC! And you sir, well you blossomed into something right before me eyes that I could not imagine when you found your poetic side. I think it was an emotional release valve from God for you that you could find a way to better say in any other form. I truly believe that it has given you a reason to go and make life better. You have found a way to share the love and emotion that you have held inside for so, so many years while at the same time releasing all the other emotions which buried them. Most of us do not find that point in life...you are truly blessed and I think truly bound for bigger things with your work. I hope that I can ride your shirttail to the stars! I will be in touch. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Fitnezz Jim....I think your comments are right on point with the exception that I feel you are a better writer than you give yourself credit for being...one day you'll take yourself more seriously I hope. I will email you a couple of links where you can find my work as I would not want to shamelessly promote myself with links here on HP. Amazingly, or maybe not, after I questioned their "quality assessment" yesterday, I was confronted with a new copy of the "terms of use" when I posted my next hub and had to agree to the pledge that I would create quality hubs...as if it were my first time here. I thought that rather insulting. Then, when I published this hub, I was immediately notified that it did not meet the quality standards of HP and would not be features...that is their problem...not mine but I refuse to continue to be exposed to it. I will drop you an email with a couple of links to other sites that I am on. Worse case...you can catch me on Facebook with some of the links as well. It's been fun, Jim...I am sure I'll see you in other places. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@fpherj48...Paula, I will send you an email with a couple of other site links where I am published and probably will continue for the time being. After last night's comment on this hub falling short of HP's "quality assessment", that was enough to put me over the top...especially after they made me sign another "terms of use" statement pledging that I would publish quality hubs. After 688 hubs here, I feel that is a bit insulting. As a result, I unpublished my top ten views hubs and will remove more today. I think each person needs to be here for their own reasons but I always thought that the majority of us were here because we enjoyed writing and wanted to use what we wrote to impact others in some fashion...politically, emotionally, humorously, poetically, or all of the above. I thought that wasthe focus early on but it seems that I was wrong. Yesterday, one the HP folks told me that they had looked at a couple of my articles and felt the writing was "quite good" but it needed to be tweaked to fit the format of HP's SEO quality assessment if I want it to gain top billing and be a featured item. Thanks but no thanks...package engineering is not my dream nor is search engine optimization. You have been a really loyal supporter Paula and I think you are a terrific writer with a keen sense of humor which is so well-tuned that you can laugh at yourself along with others and never feel threatened. That is a very unique talent which most folks do not possess...it is like the great timing of a comedian who know just when to deliver the punch line and just how to twist it. I think you are far more capable and have a great future as a writer. I hope that things continue to work for you here at HP. I will drop you an email and send you some links for other sites. Thanks for all your support and I hope to see you soon somewhere else! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Old Poolman...Mike, I have always counted on you to show up at just the right moment when the political discussions get hot and you deliver that cold slap of reality than only a true businessman like yourself can relate. You bring that reality to the discussion that demonstrates that small business people do care for their employees and want them to succeed and have a great life...it is a great part of the reward of having a succcessful business to know that you are providing a platform for those who depend on you and allow them the opportunity to grow. Sadly, far too many people do not see it that way and feel that is not your generosity but should be your requirement to even operate a business. In other words...you should apologize and be ashamed that you ever made a profit for you probably did so on the backs of your employees. What a sad state of mind which indicates why we are where we are today with the mindset of so many in this country. Your writing does much to make people stop and think about those things...it is sobering because it is the truth and you should be sharing more of it. There is wisdom and knowledge in age...one old man to another but sadly that concept is lost on the younger generations of this country who have been taught by our own government to expect a safety net, a promise of success, the right to a job, and the experience of immediate gratification. Having a focus and working hard toward a goal is a lost art in this country just like the skillful hands of the craftsman...and we wonder what is happening to us. Ray Charles could see that even in his blindness. Thanks much, Mike and my best to you. ~WB


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

NO, Wayne you are NOT wrong. You are 100% correct. As for me...as well as most of my closest hubber-pals.....I know we are all here for the sheer love of writing....and making our statements, working hard to be appreciated, noticed.....maybe even make some MONEY! To write our fool hearts out!

As I said, all that you share here, in terms of the HP REALITY....is undeniable fact. I "wish" that this was TOO BAD for HP....but sadly, it is Hubbers who feel the crunch and become disgusted and disillusioned....

Thanks for "links".....I will be seeing you.


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

WB - Thanks for the kind words. I just received notification from HP that one of my hubs no longer meets their standards. When I complete this comment I will be sending them a message to just delete my account permanently. I believe HP is on a path to their own destruction.

I will be in touch with you my friend.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Back in the late '90's I got involved with a group called the Internet Corporation for the Assignment of Names and Numbers. This is the closest thing to Internet Governance ever. But it became incompetent because of the rift between policy type people and technical engineers. We would say polywogs and techies. Most engineers felt it their job to make things so complicated that we needed them more and more. I once watch a man spend 300 hrs building the best website possible. It was a failure because it just had too much crap to navigate without a tutorial. Eventually those engineers failed to make their masters money. And the notion of "user friendly" became the norm.

Clearly here at HP the engineers are running the show. All of these fancy pantsy "to hard for an average user" techniques they are employing, will be their ruin.

For those a little younger, we had what was called a "dot bomb" internet economic collapse right around 2,000, a little earlier for Asia. Many attributed it to financial inflation of values in the High Tech industry. This was not the case as it was proven -- "user friendly" brought the industry right back. When I would give speeches I would always start out with -- "what we need is High Tech, Low tech and no tech."

HP will evolve itself into extinction if it continues to follow this already proven failed route.


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

UH-OH......are we all being placed on the chopping block? LOL....I'm prepared.

I lost any affection for HP itself, way way back......when I wrote the one hub that has INCREDIBLE TRAFFIC......constant and heavy......but HP sent me notice that they killed any revenue, due to: some such bull about "graphic nature" of a murder....being too much for sensitive readers"......Aw, for Pete's sake.....are you kidding me?

Fine.....I went in and cleaned it up for the feint of heart....sent HP a message of the clean up. NEVER HEARD A SINGLE WORD FROM THEM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER......NOR WAS MY REVENUE FLOW RE-OPENED! I shudder to think the $$ I have lost due to this....it is my SINGLE huge success-hub, in terms of traffic.

This told me loudly and clearly, they simply don't play fair......and they are mostly Big heads spurting hot air. Well, I don't beg and I don't nag.....I just go on my merry way......but I also don't FORGET.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

I still have one in "suspened financial limbo" because I refuse to remove the reference to Nancy Pelosi's "collagen-lnjected lips". I am going to leave that one up for a long time! LOL! Thanks Paula and bully for you! ~WB


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

WB - I can't find a link to contact Hub Pages, so wrote a hub asking them to delete my account. It will be interesting to see if a moderator catches this hub before it is published.


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CMerritt 3 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Wayne, YOU was one the first people to reach out to me and befriend me. I have grown to respect you so very much and consider you a "Friend"....and I mean that truly. Please let me know where you are going so I can continue to follow you.

I too, am not here for money, but rather for the acquaintances I have developed and for the fun of it.

I totally agree with every word you said, and will probably follow suit.

There are a handful of folks I have grown close to on here, without them, this place no longer is worth my time.

Best of luck to you, and again, keep in touch.

Chris M


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Pamela99 3 years ago from United States

Wayne, I think you know quite well how I feel about the quality of your work as I write few recommendations and none that have not been requested, except yours. I understand your frustration as things have changed. I gave up writing anything political a long time ago and primarily write about health as they is the area of my expertise anyway. I am not here as often as I once was as I am making good money by freelance writing. I still have some friends here, so I will stay on the outskirts for a while.

I would like to know where you end up as I enjoy your writing immensely. I wish you the best of luck no matter what you choose to do now. By the way, you have a beautiful wife.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Old Poolman....Mike, if you look on the main page on the lower right hand side there is an area entitled "recent blog posts". The first thing under that is a piece about the "quality assessment update". Open that and you will find my back and forth with the lady who replaced Simone. You call tell her about it and get a reply. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@CMerritt...The feelings are mutual, Chris. I've seen a lot of talent writers leave here in frustration trying to work this puzzle they are designing perpetually. I will send you an email with links of other sites. Thanks for the kind words, man! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Pamela99...Thank you, Pam and my wife thanks you as well. I will send you an email with links to two sites that I currently write on. As things move along and I expand, I will let you know. For now, I just need to get away from this frustration of confusing writing with search engines. My best to you...one of my loyalest of followers! ~WB


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PurvisBobbi44 3 years ago from Florida

Wayne,

I will miss seeing that big cowboy hat and reading your hubs of various delights from serious to funny.

I wish you and your beautiful wife the very best and I hope you visit us on FB to let us know where you are writing so we can support you there.

Bobbi Purvis


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

I think you know how I feel about HubPages lately, Wayne. It's obvious HP has violated the agreement with the writers with their "Related Search" ads placed on each and every page of ours 100% of the time and we get absolutely nothing from them. Those are our personal sub-domains and these ads pull visitors away to another page of ads which HP doesn't split 60/40 % with us according the TOS which they agreed to.

If they can do this without consulting the writers, then there is no doubt they are doing other nefarious things to deprive us of our due earnings. HP is definitely trying to rid the site of all creative writing because it makes them little money. I wonder why they don't simply ban it from the site instead of insisting we alter our work to their idea of "quality."

I've yet to see any talent from those staff members who designed the so-called QAP. I asked Christy for the names of those who came up with the program so I could see how talented they are, but Christy has yet to approve my comment on the blog.

I'll certainly not waste my time writing for this place only to be judged by inept raters who happen to follow some silly guidelines determined by those without any talent themselves. HubPages is kaput!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa

Wayne, you have expressed all the thoughts that were in my mind yesterday when I deleted a lot of my red and blue hubs. What bothered me is that some of my so-called featured work is (according to me) of a lower standard than those who are apparently not worthy to be featured, and just because they (the featured hubs) contain words that are frequently googled by people in search of information.

The causes of the few disputes I have had with the HP’s gods were all ridiculous, exposing extremely narrow-minded and bigoted moderators. However, the general standard of hubs is not the same as 2-3 years ago, and now we are all lumped together by a ‘robot’ or ‘robot-minded’ moderators issued to raise HP’s income.

When I read low-quality hubs (including some of mine committed in social gayness), I can clearly understand HP point of view, but their subtle way of slapping accomplished writers in the face because they don’t write what Google reckons the average reader of web-content wants to read, is quite an insult.

Maybe it is time for more blogging elsewhere than hubbing in here. But then, out there we fall directly under Google, and that is an animal of a different colour. I can’t help but empathize with the HB-team in their (rude) efforts to please the ‘god in CyberSpace’. They remind me so much of the people in ancient times, sacrificing their first born children to the god who might give them what they want.

BTW - I don't like spiders and snakes :)

Oh, please bc me in your email to fpherj48 - I would love to know the names of those other sites.


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BlossomSB 3 years ago from Victoria, Australia

Over 700 hubs! That's impressive. I haven't been here as long as you and yes, there have been changes, but things are always changing and I think its a great place to meet like-minded people, exchange views, and hone our writing skills. Some other sites I've tried are much more banal.


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carol7777 3 years ago from Arizona

I have been here 1 year ---if you read my last hub you can see I feel some similar feelings. I have written only 157...and If you you take time to write these hubs they do take some fair amount of time. At one time I spent close to 4 hours a day..no more. I will write when the mood strikes,,,,,and always comment on my favorite writers and great supportive friends. As I mentioned I make about 12-14 a month. I know there are a few who do make a reasonable amount of money, but feel they are few and far between. Hope you will continue to stay in touch and write when the whim hits. I do write for another site where I get paid pretty well.


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D.Juris Stetser 3 years ago from South Dakota

FANTASTIC! So timely, considering what's been going down lately at HP. Brilliantly justified position...Eloquently phrased..... Everything that's been the source of my angst lately is addressed in this hub. I feel badly for you, Wayne because of your phenomenal success being handled so cavalierly by HP. Thank you so much for this hub PS The 'lipstick on this pig' did me in! A perfect illustration of our having to conform to their so-called standards... loved it.


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wayne barrett 3 years ago from Clearwater Florida

Wayne, I am especially glad that I found you on FB knowing that I may not be seeing you here. I have only been here a few months and have come to appreciate your work. I do not have a lot of experience here at HP but in reference to this article, I have already begun to sense the things you have alluded to. I have made friends and learned a lot here, but I must admit that I am already acquiring the attitude of not caring what HP's take is on my work.

Well, good luck my friend, and I will keep in touch elsewhere!


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rgalloway56 3 years ago from Sacramento, California

I have loved your hubs and will miss reading them. I am also leaving. I am creating a website and a blog of my own. Will it be successful? Who knows. But at least I will be the one that says what the content will be.

Your hub really hit home with me and I agree totally. There is no real money to be made here; not for the authors anyway. You are very talented and you should be proud of you talent. What really is the measure of success anyway?

I have had over 30,000 views of just one of my hubs. That's success in my eyes! What are the words from the song about New York? "If you can make it here you can make it anywhere." Well, that's the way I feel about writing. If you can make it here, then you can make it anywhere.

I too have had, and have expressed in an on-line Forum, my concerns with substandard writing on this website. Things have not improved in this regard. Hence, my decision to go out on my own as well.

I am not writing to become rich, I am writing because that's what I enjoy doing and I am writing because I feel that I have something useful and interesting to share.

I will look for you on FB and be on the lookout for your work elsewhere. I am also on FB as Rhonda Lucas.

Thank you for writing this hub and saying what most of us have wanted to say.

All the best to you!


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

Amen to all of what you stated here, dearest Wayne!

You and your amazing writing will be missed by all of us. All of my hubs have always been "featured" until yesterday, one of my earliest poem, which had many great comments and it was one of my best poems, and I guess since it wasn't over 1100 words, they unfeatured it. Guess what, since it has been unfeatured, its score has gone way up? Makes no sense. Also another hub I chose my self to unpublish, its score continues to be of the highest scoring hubs and even with no one viewing it? So, something is not working as it should and I guess we will never understand the method.

I love that scripture, as it is one of my favorites. If it is your time to go, then you must! I wish you nothing but success in your writing endeavors, and please know you are an awesome writer without any doubt!

God bless you and your lovely wife, Faith Reaper


ExoticHippieQueen 3 years ago

Wayne! I was just messaging with another ex-or soon to be ex-Hubber on FB about this very problem. I can't believe that Hubpages cited one of my hubs as being too short! It was a haiku! So I then added a long intro into it. Still too short! I jumped through hoops changing titles, adding additional photos or changing up the old ones for new, deleted a few hubs I did not care for myself, and then I thought, "what am I doing?" This whole concept of strong-arming creative people into changing their very appropriate titles, forcing them to add additional words or pictures, etc. is 100% bullshit. I understand what a substandard hub looks like, no real content, blatant and frequent misspellings, etc. but none of my hubs meet that criteria, yet I have red tagged hubs indicating poor quality that they refuse to allow search engines to find until it is improved. I looked at two in particular and I disagree, and will not be able to change them. Next, staffers will be writing in their own changes to our work. I am only on Hubpages for the creative process, I make practically nothing because I write primarily poetry. If that now is censored and must I adhere to strict guidelines, the inspiration is gone. What am I doing here?


ExoticHippieQueen 3 years ago

But I'm not done. In addition, I am appalled at Hubpages treatment of an author of your caliber and proven abilities. Just sayin'. (Felt like throwing in a little unapproved slang).


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@PurvisBobbi44...Thanks much, Bobbi. I will miss my friends here most and that interaction which takes place. You might say that we all had fun while being used. I will look for you in other places and post my links on FB. Thanks much ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Randy Goodwin...I could not agree more. I thought that I would start by removing by highest viewer volume hubs followed by the featured hubs and stuff I like. Then I will take my time removing the Anti-Obama/Anti-Liberal stuff and all that they consider substandard and non-viewable. They might just be surprised how much of that stuff would work for them if it were not choked down by their filters. Thanks much, Randy...I'll look for you in other places. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@MartieCoester....I agree, Martie. You might consider going to the home page and looking down the right side to the recent blogs section. Under that heading is "an update on the quality system". I have comment there...which started this whole thing. Randy Goodwin and several others have also weighed in. When you read the feedback explanations, it becomes apparent what they are doing and I have no doubt that eventually they will be making their own edits to your work if you stay around long enough for that change. It is all done under the rationale of "commercial feasibility" which apparently they know more about than we do. From my perspective, in a system in which everything is in flux...i.e. HubPages and Google, why should I chase my own tail with changes only to be a day late and a dollar short. I do not mind that they disagree, I just do not care for the labels that they put on it or assign to me in the process. Thanks much, Martie...I know I'll see you in other places! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@BlossomSB...I think the number was at 689 at the close of business last Friday. I have taken down a few since then and will continue that process. Everyone has a reason for being here, Blossom, and I do not want to burst anyone's bubble in that regard. I certainly agree with you that competitor sites are rather poor in most ways. But, I believe it is their weakness and not HP's strength that drives folks this way...it will remain like that forever. HP can do all of the search engine optimization they want but if they run off quality writers, they will still be lacking in their offering. There has to be a balance and right now the scales are tilted way too far to the SEO or left side of the equation. I don't care how much of it they do, but leave me out of the mess and do not attack my writing as sub-par when I don't play the system game. I take that rather personally. Thanks much for being a fan and commenting on so much of my work. I really have appreciated your kindness. Thanks much~ WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@BlossomSB...I think the number was at 689 at the close of business last Friday. I have taken down a few since then and will continue that process. Everyone has a reason for being here, Blossom, and I do not want to burst anyone's bubble in that regard. I certainly agree with you that competitor sites are rather poor in most ways. But, I believe it is their weakness and not HP's strength that drives folks this way...it will remain like that forever. HP can do all of the search engine optimization they want but if they run off quality writers, they will still be lacking in their offering. There has to be a balance and right now the scales are tilted way too far to the SEO or left side of the equation. I don't care how much of it they do, but leave me out of the mess and do not attack my writing as sub-par when I don't play the system game. I take that rather personally. Thanks much for being a fan and commenting on so much of my work. I really have appreciated your kindness. Thanks much~ WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Carol7777....I agree with you, Carol. They point out that my older articles are sub-par but not so much in what I had to say but because it does not have enough pretty pictures, graphs, maps, polls, and video. If I add those in a relevant way, then bang...now I got a stellar article but the wording never changed. I believe they see the reader as a dim-bulb who has to have all kinds of things going on to sustain their interest level. I just do not buy that. If that were the case, the world would have a lot less books which have been successful. Thanks much, I know that I will see you around...FB, etc. ~WB


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Wayne, look in your rear view mirror, I am right behind you on the road "outta here".


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@ d.juris stetser....I am not happy about it either as I have invested much of myself and my time here and I will miss the interaction and growth in friendships. At the same time, I am starting to feel used. I began feeling that way about two months ago when, in one fell swoop, my viewership was cut in half along with what was already a miserable level of income for the effort. In my way of thinking, I hardly believe that SEO dispensed with me that quickly and efficiently. I think it was more of an internal decision to compress things internally at HP...too much money out the door so to speak. Up to that point, money was not a priority but it became one in terms of my own dignity. As for the work that I have done here, I have never deluded myself into believing that HP ever....ever took notice. Their external lure suggests that there is money to be made here but the number of people making anything of significance can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand. There is little mention of the quality of the writers, the work they do, etc.....it is about viewship and advertisers and unfortunately the viewship that the writer draws pays very poorly beside the income from the advertisers to HP. I am not suggesting that you leave. Each writer has to make their own choice and stay or go for whatever their own reasons are. I have watched talented writers leave over the passed three years and stayed but now the time has come for me and I know why. Thanks much...hope to see you about. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@wayne barrett...I went through the phase you described for a while, Wayne...not caring what HP thought. But they have finally reached the point where it is difficult to ignore it as they are laying down the guanlet saying "if you do not embrace our method then we'll make sure that no one sees your work." They just do not say it in such a threatening manner but that is their intent and I just cannot deal with it anymore. At time, early on, I felt that it was a partnership...now I no longer feel like an appreciate partner but more of a "bin-sorted ignorant writer". I can feel that way most anywhere so I do not need to seek the emotion here. I know I will see you about. I am enjoying your art on FB BTW. Thanks much! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@rgalloway56...I think your attitude about writing and how you feel about it matches much of my own. I am writing on a couple of other sites which I hawk on FB each week. Just look for me there. I will make sure that I have friended you by then. Thanks so very much for all your good words, Rhonda. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Faith Reaper....I, like you, did not realize that the emotion and message of poetry could not be adequately expressed in less than 1100 words...so much for the success of a poet here at HP! LOL! The whole point Haiku is an economy of words! I discovered my own ability to write poetry here and honed the skill through the wonderful feedback of those who supported it. I poured out a lot of emotion and grew a bit closer to my maker through this verses for which I am quite thankful. I found a part of my inner self in the journey and that is a priceless reward. HP has been a good place for me for a long time and I am sad to see where it is headed and what it is becoming. I think it is probably time that they consider a corporate merger with "EHow.com" so that the focus can be fully realized in the future. Thanks much for your kind words and support! ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@ExoticHippieQueen...You are too kind with your words of praise for me. I have written my share of poor stuff and I have been quite lucky in coming up with other things. Mostly, I have just pushed myself to move outside my comfort zone and get into other genres...it is great for those moments of writer's block...you just switch ponies! If you go to the main page and look down the lower right hand side, you will see "Recent Blog Posts" and under that is a reference to the "new quality system"....you can leave comments there on your perspective on all this. If enough voices chime in, maybe it will make a difference down the road. Randy Goodwin and I have had our say there already. Just reading the commentary should paint a picture for you. Thanks so much for all your support. Look for me on FaceBook. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@ExoticHippieQueen...You are too kind with your words of praise for me. I have written my share of poor stuff and I have been quite lucky in coming up with other things. Mostly, I have just pushed myself to move outside my comfort zone and get into other genres...it is great for those moments of writer's block...you just switch ponies! If you go to the main page and look down the lower right hand side, you will see "Recent Blog Posts" and under that is a reference to the "new quality system"....you can leave comments there on your perspective on all this. If enough voices chime in, maybe it will make a difference down the road. Randy Goodwin and I have had our say there already. Just reading the commentary should paint a picture for you. Thanks so much for all your support. Look for me on FaceBook. ~WB


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Old Poolman...I see ya, Mike! Thanks much! ~WB


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drbj 3 years ago from south Florida

You know I will miss reading your inventive thoughts here on HP, Wayne. But I will continue to search for your writings on Facebook and the other sites you have mentioned. Too many excellent writers like yourself seem to be discouraged at some of the ways in which HP has morphed over the last few years. Me, too. Still hangin' in hoping they will see the error of their ways! ;)


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@drbj...I'll slip in and check on every now and then, Doc. You know the sites where you can find me but to be sure I will drop you an email with the links. We'll see where things go from here. Thanks for all your support and good words over time. They are much appreciated. ~WB


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

All of my hubs have always been featured until this change, and I just do not see how I can add to this one poem that has been unfeatured and has a lot of views and great comments. E. E. Cummings, a great poet wrote a poem: "you are my sun, my moon, and all my stars" at that is it! Who decides what is good quality or not? As poetry is a topic here one can write, then who is judging the poetry on quality?

Just wondering about this issue.

God bless, Faith Reaper


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Faith Reaper...Poetry is what it is. In that singular moment of inspiration...these are the words that came forth. To sit and toy with them for reasons other than the inspiration is to corrupt the true meaning of the emotion and intent. Funny, as I have taken down hubs in the last few days, I find the system which categorized a piece as unsatisfactory and unfeatured immediately turns to that piece and features it...like the body being deprived of fat and beginning to consume itsself. I think there software has far more bugs in it than they can imagine or want to discuss openly. I believe that is way everything is in a constant state of change as they search for stability. Thanks FR! ~WB


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Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Wayne. During the occasions when I have to take a sabbatical from the Le Hub due to work and family concerns, I return to numerous changes in formats, requirements, yada, yada, yada. For example, one of my best poems is now labeled, “Does not meet our requirements.” I feel as though I am being processed like a piece of sausage on an assembly line that failed to pass some quality control test. To my great disappointment, I also find that some of my favorite writers and poets have left for greener pastures -- not that I blame them for an instant. I selfishly hope that you stay, for I do so admire your work and I would miss the camaraderie. Nevertheless, whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best of luck. :-)


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Genna East....I feel much the same about leaving, Genna but I do not see things getting any better than they have been. The interaction and the friendships will be much harder to sustain. I will be about. I have one site where I have stepped up my writing and added some poetry this week. I will send you an email with that link. Thanks so much for the good, kind words. ~WB


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Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

I understand perfectly, Wayne. Here is an interesting note:

I no sooner wrote that comment above when I received an official e-mail from TPTB at the Hub, explaining why my poem, ‘Dreams of Nanna,’ was not up to their standards. The staff member, whose name I won’t mention, wrote that perhaps I should change the content so it was less personal. I mean…the poem is a tribute to my great grandmother, and the inhibitions of her day growing up in the Victorian era that prevented her from writing, herself. And how she inspired me to write. It dawned on me that perhaps he didn’t understand the poem. The irony is that now I’m now faced with a similar dilemma. I don’t think I’ll be writing any more poetry for the hub as I don’t understand what their criterion is at this juncture.

I wish you the very best – always. :-)


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Genna East...That is what happens when a "manufacturing" mindset trumps a creative one. Regardless of his understanding of the poem or not...it is your inspiration, your emotion which you have ELECTED to share with others. It is what it is and I'll be damned if they are going to sit there and tell me that it can be better when I have yet to see any of their poetry out there. Your note touches the absolute essence of why I am leaving. Thanks much, Genna. ~WB


SilverGenes 3 years ago

Wayne, I had to come back and read more of the comments. As you know, I pulled all my creative writing off here quite a while ago and left mostly what could be considered commercial hubs. I found myself writing less and less, and then realized why. I was a commercial writer most of my life and was actually paid a livable wage to do it. It's not fun - it's work. This is what Hubpages wants people to do for free. They take the food from the table of commercial writers then force-feed the formula to creatives with the promise of a few cents a day. I did not spend a lifetime working for free and I'm not going to start now. It would be nice if other writers did the same and if HP wants commercial writing, they should pay for it like everybody else. Of course, they want the commercial writing done to formula, too, so this is actually a real job. I'd love to see writers' associations take them on. They've crossed the line from a site for writers to a site that uses writers to build their pyramid for free. Funny, but I just don't feel like working for someone else for nothing. I'm finished being used by kids playing games. Check out Harlan Ellison on writing for free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE


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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

I would truly like to know who is driving the changes being made at Hub Pages. We all suspect the motivator is mostly about money. That would be their money, not your money, I am referring to.

We also know they lean pretty far to the left, and don't really care for or appreciate any hubs presenting facts or views from the other side.

I read Genna's poem "Dreams of Nanna" and loved it even though I am not really a fan of poetry. I wonder which employee of Hub Pages made the determination this poem was not up to their standards? What qualifications does this person have that allows him or her to make this type decision?

It appears that many of us received emails declaring some of our hubs no longer meeting their standards. I would guess that the selection process was strictly driven by the total number of hits from the search engines. These hits equal money flowing into Hub Pages coffers by the advertisers. Like retail stores that occasionally are forced to clear their shelves of items that just are not selling, Hub Pages occasionally is cleaning their servers of hubs that are not getting a sufficient number of search engine hits.

This is just business. What I resent is not being told the truth. I would prefer just being told that my hub is not generating sufficient hits as opposed to "your hub no longer meets our standards."

Business is business, and storage space costs money. Hub Pages doesn't charge the writers for publishing their work, but the writers also don't charge Hub Pages for the product they use to stock their shelves.

In my opinion, it would just be better for all concerned if HP would just be honest and tell us the product we gave them is just not generating enough sales to make it profitable enough to keep on the shelves.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@SilverGenes....Thanks Alexandra. Your point is exactly what is turning me off. If they want to tell me how and why to do, then they need to pay for my cooperation. Otherwise, I will write to my own inspiration and it is what it is whereever it is...probably not here. I investigated wizzley.com and found that they were worse than this outfit. I just submitted some of my poetry work for a competition where I might make some serious money if I can win. If not, at least I know that I did not have to change it to their liking to try. Can you believe they comment above from Genna...."her poem was too personal to fit the standards of HP". Incredible. Funny, everytime I unpublish something here the system moves over and starts featuring another of my hubs which up to that time had been classified as substandard for feature. I will check out your link....thanks much! ~WB


SilverGenes 3 years ago

I read Genna's poem and it is wonderful! These are the works that keep me reading at HP and without them, there is nothing at all for me here. I checked the demographics for HP and they are 18-24 year old women, the majority from China, Russia, Germany, Brazil, and South Korea, in that order. The U.S. and Canada are not the target group here by a (really) long shot so what the heck are we doing?


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@SilverGenes...Interesting. Could it be that HP does feel that North Americans are drawn to read as much as others in other parts of the world. In fact, regardless of the geography, the age demographic is rather young. I wonder if the person making that decision is in the 18-24 age group. Those who were telling me how to do it seemed to be at about that level with no real life experience.


SilverGenes 3 years ago

Wayne, I pulled that info directly off Alexa to see who keeps HP going. Alexa keeps track of a lot of things about site visitors and in this case, it was rather enlightening.


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Dim Flaxenwick 3 years ago from Great Britain

I am so grateful to you for publishing this hub.

I have been racking my brains to understand why some of my hubs are considered "substandard" when I check out all the amazing comments about that hub. From the people that matter.. Other writers. What suddenly makes them substandard.?

I would find it hard to leave because of so many wonderful hubfriends. They make my day so often. Yet I am fed up of these absurd changes.

I follow Vincent on his new site and if you leave I shall sure do the same with you.but it makes me sad that 3 years ago we seemed to have a nice little set up of like minded people.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Dim Flaxenwick....I know, I attempted to leave a year ago but my friends here convinced me to stay. Now, most of them are of the same mindset with this new "standard of quality" which has done nothing for me but cut me from 200+ views a day to less than 20. I will drop you an email where you can find my work. Thanks so much for the good words. I normally still announce my postings on FaceBook so you can also catch me through that media. Some of my work will stand here as it is "time sensitive" and does not work for me anywhere else but I will not add anything hence forth. ~WB


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Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

Hi Silver, Old Poolman, Dim and Wayne;

Thank you, Old Poolman and Silvergenes, for those nice comments about my poem. Something strange happened recently. All of a sudden, like a curve ball out of nowhere, HP changed the status of the poem to “does not meet our standards” to “featured.” And without a word of explanation. I give up. I don’t know what they’re looking for any more. I recently sent an e-mail to Will Starr saying that I wouldn’t be writing any more poetry for awhile on HP. The decision isn’t out of anger, petulance, or sour grapes…I just don’t know what they support and do not support. I’m confused.

Wayne, I visited your new site the other day, and am so pleased to see you writing there. Take care everyone. I will see you on the hub and elsewhere. Enjoy your weekend, the upcoming holiday. :-)


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Genna East...I am confused as well. My remaining hubs change status without me doing anything to them but the viewship still sucks versus what it has been in the past. If they are truly attempting to put themselves "in harmony" with Google, they are confused too! Thanks much, Genna.


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Pollyannalana 3 years ago from US

As you can see by my score and activity, or lack of, I have been sick of it all for well over a year. I made the mistake though of giving google my information and saying I wanted to write for money. Now no matter what I do they will not let me go, which means I cannot make money in another name either. I think it has more to do with google than Hp although they can be a pain in the $%% too. You are right too, they never give you the answer so you can fix it. Nothing here is a set of rules. You must have so many words yet there are plenty that write Haiki and ride the 90s. I guess we never learned to kiss $%%, Wayne, lol.


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Pollyannalana...To tell the truth, I kissed my share of it too often over the years but never really grew to like it or became sufficient at it. I will allow them to rate me lowly score-wise and hub-wise as long as they pay me for my efforts according....which they have not. But I refuse to chase the stick and bring it back, then chase the stick and bring it back...that is a step beyond for me. I am writing in other areas. I will drop you an email and give you the site addresses. My friend of mine once said, "Nothing that is ever very good or very bad ever lasts for very long" and so it is with HP. Most of the friends that I stayed around for are now gone as well and that was holding me here more than anything else. Thanks for the good words and stay in touch, please. ~WB


Amy Williams 3 years ago

Wow! I am almost speechless! HP is the loser here. Please let me know how I can keep reading you!


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Cantuhearmescream 3 years ago from New York

Wayne,

I thought I'd let you know that I am now having chest pains! :D I am currently choosing to live in the moment of denial. I am relatively new here and I came in anxious and thanks to the people, I have grown very fond of this place. I have been seeing the signs for some time now and I've been attempting to ignore them, too bad that doesn't make them go away! I completely understand every word you wrote and on a side note, I laughed a few times too! I especially like 'adding lipstick to the pig'; I think you might've coined a new phrase :D

I spent a day or two screwing around with CEO crap and quickly realized that it's not for me, nor do I care if Google chooses to put me at the top of their pages or the bottom of the 10th page in. When I do 'Google' something, I'm amazed at what inaccurate information makes it to the top of the page. I'm sick of looking at forums and Q/A websites as results for legitimate searches. I really am not looking for my neighbor's opinion; if that's what I wanted I'd go over to my neighbor's house and ask them! I have to admit I'm also a bit discouraged with how HP 'works' and what they deem as 'good quality'.

I could go on and on... but I'll wait until I'm here a little longer before I bitch too much :D

I'm sure it won't amount to anything, but I've hit every button :D

Sharing too!

Cat


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Cantuhearmescream... I ignored it all for about a year and then it seemed that they were so "in your face" that it was impossible to ignore flagging your hubs to let you know that were unfeatured because they failed the quality guidelines. Well, they can ignore me all they want and I will be fine. My success here came from the ability of my writing to capture the interest of the people who read it and returned again and again to read it. That became the last straw and made me realize that the direction had moved away from a site that was about writers to one that is more about optimizing views. Based on the quality work they instituted, my viewship droped by a factor of 10 on a daily basis as did my earnings yet they are telling me that their efforts will benefit me....I don't think so and I don't appreciate someone peeing down my back and telling me that it's raining. Anyway, I have work now at my site waynebrown.us and at carolspieceofmind.com under the name "The Texas Rattler. Initially, I had planned to move the 685 hubs that I had at the end of June. After moving a few, I decided the task was too monumental to be worth it so I have left them in place here but not contributed any new work since June. I still come around, read, and make comments here and there but I have not yet convinced myself that I want to expose any more of my work to thes "quality filters" which are vague to the point that they cannot come out and tell you what is wrong with anything...they want you to figure out what they won't tell you. Once you realize all of that....it seems futile to try. Thanks much! ~WB


Poetic Fool 3 years ago

Hi, Wayne! I understand everything you've said and I am at the point of making the same decision you've made. It's really sad because the creative writer's community here on HP used to be thriving and now is a shell of what it used to be. I see more and more making the same decision you have. Like you, my views have dropped by 3/4 and what little revenue I had has dropped as well. I could care less about the revenue as I started here to learn to write. I couldn't care less about the hubber score or even the individual hub scores as I had no confidence in those as a measure of quality in the first place. I could even tolerate not idled/idled, featured/nor featured or the new QAP plan (or whatever HP calls it today) if they didn't result in hubs being de-indexed. Poetry, which I write almost exclusively, doesn't do to well by HP's measure but who are they to decide what should show up on Google search results. I know it's all about getting higher Google rankings for HP and not individual hubbers though they try to sell us that. As you put it so eloquently, I don't like people pissing on my back and telling me it's raining either. The bottom line is HP's new paradigm doesn't lend itself to creative writers and that is clear. If I do leave HP, I'll be sad because I know I won't have the time to maintain a presence elsewhere and still stay in touch with all the friends here on HP that I grown to love and admire. This sucks big time!


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@poeticfool....You point is well-taken. I made a lot of friends over time here at HP and giving up that interaction in terms of writing is very difficult. The feedback and the encouragement all meant a lot to me. At the same time, HP apparently could care less as long as their love affair with Google is sustained. Based on my traffic reduction and yours, if that loss is sustained across the spectrum of writers here, I honestly cannot see how HP is seeing any ground gain. I would think they are losing just like we are. But, trying to turn that ship is an exercise in futility. One of these days maybe those in charge at HP will come to realize what a golden moment they had here for about 2 to 3 years and how they managed to mess it completely up rather than nurture it. Thanks much for the good words. I know that I will see you about. ~WB


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Cantuhearmescream 3 years ago from New York

Wayne,

My apologies, I fell off the face of the earth for a moment. :D ... It's all frustrating and you're singing a song that many other hubbers seem to know the lyrics to and I'm beginning find myself humming the tune! I'll definitely check out your site, thanks for the heads up!

Cat


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Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas Author

@Cantuhearmescream...I would say that you need to endure it as long as you can as the interaction and friendship is certainly something to be valued at HP. I have not yet found another site that even comes close in that regard. If you can sustain that focus and let the rest go, it is still a good platform. ~WB


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DS Dollman 10 months ago from Loveland, Colorado

I left Hub Pages because the feedback from the company, the awards, the ratings--nothing matched with the fact that my hubs were online for over a year and I never received a penny. I came back because my articles were just sitting on my computer. I'm glad I read your post here before I added too many back on the Hub. I know the problem is not with my writing, topics, research--there's something else going on here. I just wish I knew other places to post! Thanks for your honesty.


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Wayne Brown 10 months ago from Texas Author

DS--I wish I could help you there. I tried a number of sites after giving up on HP and found that all of them had as bad or worse issues. When I came on board with HP in 2010, there were few folks making some reasonably good money. I look back on that and now believe it was a "come-on" to expand the writing population. Then "change for the sake of change" began and got worse over time. This site actually had a better format when I joined in 201o that when I left. I still have over 600 items here but I have added nothing since this article and I doubt that I ever will. If I hear of something, I will let you know. For now, the best thing I can recommend is to set up your own website or join a friend on their site.


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DS Dollman 10 months ago from Loveland, Colorado

I have quite a few blogs that are doing well. Maybe I'll stick with blogging. Thanks for the advice.

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