The Poisonous Clique Strikes Again! : That'll Teach You.

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One More Time.

I feel it is my duty to once again provide a place where friends can meet and chew the fat. This hub will endeavor to please the Hub Gods--such as they are--by cloaking this article under the facade of creative writing. Actually this fools no one, but it pleases me to feel a bit sneaky at times.

At any rate here it is, and please do take into consideration I'm sorta doing this under a type of duress, as inspiration is not always easy to come by. Whatever, I hope you enjoy having a place to talk trash if you feel the need. I know I will.

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Home From The War.

The closest thing Clear Springs, Georgia had to a town drunk was Virgil Taylor. He didn’t stay pickled all of the time, but on the weekends he made up for the other 5 days. Virgil was never a mean drunk, never got arrested for destruction of property or fighting with anybody, though he did have some rather strange behavior when he was in his cups.

A rather short man he was, his hair and eyes seemed to be the same shade of brown, an unassuming color which seemed to suit his life in general. His clothes were much the same. Nothing flashy or colorful, mostly shades of brown and gray. Even though he smiled a lot and helped everyone he could, his eyes had a look of seeing things just over the horizon, things so forlorn, so sad, he just couldn’t let himself fully relax.

According to my dad --he being Dave Tyson and I’m Doug--Virgil showed up in Clear Springs shortly after WWII ended. There were lots of boys home from the war and the competition for jobs was tough in most places, so apparently Virgil liked this small town just fine. I always wondered why he chose Clear Springs though, it being in a dry county and all, but I suppose he knew what he wanted better than I did. Yes, I thought about such things, considered them often at my then present age of 13 years.

Virgil's Final Binge

My dad always referred to me as a kearce young ‘un. I never got up the nerve to ask him what “kearce” meant, nor did I correct his pronunciation of the word “curious,” if that was indeed the word he was striving for. No, things were not done in such a manner in those days as a certain respect was called for when dealing with one’s elders in the 1950’s south. Besides, he was correct in that I was curious about everything. If the truth be told, I do believe he was sort of proud of my curiosity, especially later on in my life.

Naturally I was curious about Virgil, was keenly interested as to why he would work hard all week and then simply pass the weekend in an alcoholic stupor. He had a wife and daughter who lived with him in a small rental house a short ways out in the country. Virgil’s wife, Elise, could not speak English very well, but was a friendly woman everyone seemed to like. His daughter, Ruth, had her mother’s blond hair and blue eyes, something I had noticed early on since she was my own age.

They found Virgil dead one morning down next to the stockyards, lying almost beneath an old cattle car. This wasn’t totally unexpected as he tended to end up there when he was particularly drunk. It was well known that Virgil talked to himself and to other people only he could see when soused. He would bang on the side of the old cattle cars and yell, “Come on out now, no use waitin’ any longer, don’t make ’em mad!”

Acts Of Respect.

Sometimes he ended up crying, as many drunks are wont to do, especially near the end of a binge. No one bothered him though, they simply let ole Virgil alone with his visions. He always went home to his wife and daughter anyway. Except for the morning they found his body, that is. “His heart must of give out finally,” old Doc Haynes said .”It’s no wonder though, ole Virgil was under a lot of strain. I don’t know what kinda demons he was to tryin’ tuh drown with all that whiskey, but he finally got it over an’ done with.”

The Taylor’s were not known for being very religious, or at least they didn’t attend any of Clear Springs’ three churches, and besides, Virgil was usually still upending a bottle during the time morning worship services were being held. There was to be no funeral for Virgil, simply a small memorial service to be held at the Clear Springs Funeral Home chapel.

I was surprised and pleased at the number of folks who showed up to pay their last respects to the town drunk. No surprise I suppose. Virgil was a handyman who had performed some small chore for nearly everyone in town at some time or another. He fixed bikes for the boys and baby carriages for the girls for no charge other than a smile and a thank you. Everyone loved Virgil.

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Death As A Commonplace Thing

There were no preachers on the raised dais in the crowded chapel, only Elise and Ruth were seated there, and only Ruth would speak. While her mother was dressed in black widow’s weeds, Ruth was wearing a dress the color of her wonderful blue eyes, her curly blond hair framing her beautiful face. When everyone was seated Ruth approached the podium, opened a folded paper, and began reading.

“I want to thank everyone for honoring my father with their attendance at his last meeting on this earth.” she said. “My mother, as you all know, cannot speak English very well, so she asked me to read her words for her. She wishes you all to know that Virgil Taylor wasn’t always a man quick to drink, was once a calm and wonderful person before the war. He was a hero to many people, and still is to those whose lives he saved not many years ago.”

“Virgil was part of a bomber crew which was shot down over Germany during the latter stages of the war. Instead of being sent to a POW camp, the Germans discovered he could speak several languages and he was sent to a death camp to interpret for the Nazis. It was in this same camp where my mother met him. She was caught harboring a Jewish family and was sent along with them to certain death in the Holocaust camp.”

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A Life Of Deadly Memories

“Virgil’s job was to check the cattle cars for those who didn’t survive the transport to the camp. There were always some who died in transit and had to be hauled away in the back of a horse drawn wagon to be dumped in an open pit. My mother had only fainted, but Virgil hauled her away with the other unfortunate passengers and secreted her in an old cellar he had found quite by accident on the edge of the compound. Over the next few months he managed to save a few other people. Including a few children and adults.”

“Virgil managed to keep us all from starving somehow until the camps were finally liberated by the allied forces. He then married my mother and brought her back to America with him, but never again would he rest peacefully at night unless he was completely drunk. When the wind blew a certain way, even from our house out side of town, he could hear the railroad cars slowly clacking along the rails, just like they did when a new trainload of Jewish prisoners would enter the huge death camp.”

“He couldn’t resist walking to town during these times, just in case there was another soul who needed saving from the gas chambers and ovens. I wanted you good people to know this about my father, that he loved this small town and the people who never asked him why he acted as he did. I hope now you understand.”

And we certainly did.

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Rochelle Frank 3 years ago from California Gold Country

Wonderfuly told and sobering story, RG. How can we judge others without being aware of the the demons which have attached themselves to a person's past memories?

Now you expect us to talk trash? :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks for the input, Rochelle. My father was one of the GIs who helped liberate those horrible death camps. He told me just enough to know he didn't want to tell me more. Thanks again for your time. :)

Talking trash is an option as always. :p


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

That is truly beautiful Randy. Although as I was reading it, I thought Virgil was trying to drown a guilty conscience, and that Elise was German.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes, Elise was German. but not a bad one as she was sheltering Jews from the Gestapo when got caught.. Glad you liked the tale. :)


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gmwilliams 3 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

A beautiful story. Keep writing such Randy. You are indeed an exceedingly gifted author. God bless!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks for reading and for the nice comments, GM. I'm very pleased you found it worth your time. :)


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Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Beautiful story Randy. My great-uncle was one of those that liberated the concentration camps. He didn't like to talk about it either. My grandmother told me about it because she thought he was a hero.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I also thought, while reading, that Virgil was one of the guards.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico

Truly gripping tale, Randy. I was in the navy for 4 years during Suez, etc., but remember little and there wasn't much to tell. But to have been involved in the "Great" wars, and especially in the horror of the Jewish death camps. If the Jews are hard-nosed today about their position in the world, it should be easy to understand why. Lordy, can't mankind make a mess of it all?

Bob Great hub...


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Publish a book of your short stories please Randy. I'd like to buy copies for my children. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hello again, Becky. Your great-uncle was indeed a hero, as were many of our young men who participated in the great war. Thanks as always for your time and input. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks WA, I hope you are pleased by my efforts. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Good morning, Bob. Yes, the Israelis have never forgot this tragedy, nor should they. Mankind is often horrible to its own, it seems. Thank you for taking the time to comment on this tale, I do appreciate your time. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LongTimeMother--I plan to do just that someday soon. I'm flattered that you enjoy my short yarns enough to want to read more of them. Thanks for your wonderful input, :)


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bravewarrior 3 years ago from Central Florida

What an awesome story, Randy! It reinforces the old saying, "don't judge a book by it's cover". People do what they do for reasons many of us will never know. Virgil was a hero. It's a shame no one knew that until he died in that little Georgia town.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Bravewarrior--That is so true, Shauna. Many heroes from this time period were never recognized for their part in the war. The roles they played in the conflict will never be fully appreciated I fear. Once again, I appreciate your time spent reading and showing your own respect for these great Americans. :)


DJ Anderson 3 years ago

Hello, Randy,

I have walked the hallowed ground at Dachau; stood in the gas chambers, as well. They have an incredibly sobering museum of sorts.

With pictures bigger than life, they tell the horrors that occurred in that death camp. People whispered with reverence as they walked through and saw

the deplorable conditions that people lived and died in. Interesting that the Nazi's wanted to preserve, in pictures, the atrocities they committed.

Your story depicted what the nightmares of war can do to a man. You told it in true southern style.

I'm still waiting for your book of stories to be published. Savannah is over run with tourists. Book stores would not be able to keep up with the demand on your 'Southern Yarns'. A couple of boutiques on River Street alone, could keep you in buck shot for the rest of your life!

We are not getting any younger, Randy. Get 'er done!

DJ.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I always look forward to your comments, D.J., and I am working on a book of short stories as we speak. Thanks as always for your encouraging words and especially for your personal input on my tales.

Randy :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Gonna be in an internet dead zone until late Sunday, guys. Will try to check in when I can. Until then, adios!


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

This doesn't belong on HubPages, Randy. What are thinking? If you don't publish a book, few people will ever read your exceptional stories. Put together what you have and publish it on Amazon for ebooks and print! Voted up and Awesome!

I have witnessed eight-year-olds dressed in costumes replicating prisoners in the Auschwitz death camp, performing in dramas for Holocaust Remembrance Day school assemblies in Israel. They are painfully aware that over a million-and-a-half Jewish children were murdered by the Nazis. The Israel Education Ministry has just issued a curriculum to begin teaching formal Holocaust studies in the first grade, when students are six-years-old.

Every school-aged child in Israel has his own gas mask and participates in drills every few months for biological/chemical weapons attacks and nuclear warfare. Every school has a shelter equipped to house the entire school's population for a number of weeks. Children, teachers and staff must reach the shelter within 30 seconds of an alarm.

Unlike the man in your story, there are many former Holocaust survivors in Israel who never recovered their souls and are cared for by the State of Israel because the reparation payments from Germany are inadequate.

For the most part, the survivors who are still living at this time were just children in the 1940s. Anne Frank, who died a few months before her 16th birthday, would be 84 years old today.


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Pamela99 3 years ago from United States

This is a wonderfully told story of an honorable man that served his fellow men so well. There are so many heroes from WWII, and quite often their stoires do not get told. I recently put a story on Hubpages that my husband wrote after he had an encounter with a Survivor of Guadcanal. What these men went through for our country needs to be told, as it seems history is not exactly being taught anymore.

You are an excellent storyteller as many have stated. I think you should share that gift by publishing also.

Awesome hub.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Can we start our poisonous complaining and whinging now, or are there more proper commenters who want to congratulate Randy on his writing talent?

If so get in fast, the other hub is getting slow to load.


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Becky Katz 3 years ago from Hereford, AZ

Go ahead and whinge and complain, I don't mind. Great story Randy.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Randy! Don't go offline yet! Your interview has just been sent around!

Ok you must all be bored of my descriptions of my inept attempts to stop being a shirker, but bear with me for one more complaint.

These people are unbelievable!!!

So after all the previous whinging I uploaded all the documents (I found many useful lost things while searching for my diplomas so that was actually very useful).

Now they've started testing me. Ok. I downloaded the first "test". It's a 2 page PDF of some kind of drug encyclopaedia. It is definitely over 1000 words long (in fact it is probably 2000 words). Thick with terminology. It would take several hours work to translate.

Plus it is a scan from an old book, the print quality is quite poor. I mean it's readable, but tiring after a while. No way to paste bits of it into word, I have to keep back referring to it.

I wouldn't mind translating it, if I was being paid for several hours' work. But as a free test it's ridiculous (imo).

Just emailed them to make sure they expect me to translate the whole thing (in the email they said the screening test would be about 300 words).


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

They can't give you something that is copypasteable, since it would be easier to cheat. Though it sounds like an asinine amount of work to do for free, at least it doesn't seem like they are ripping you off for a free translation. Who would want a translation of an old old old book that likely contains out of date info, or that most likely has already been translated. Anyway, good luck and hope it works out for you.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Hi Randy. My advance order is for three autographed copies, please. Don't make the book too big or I'll have to get a bank loan for the postage. lol.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks PF. Yeah I thought the same about copy pasteable, although really the best I could do would be google translate, which would be totally useless. I really can't see how they would use the translation. Plus, if the whole thing is a test, somebody has to "mark it". And I don't see how anybody would do that for free, and 2000 words would take a while to mark. So it is stupid for them to have excessive tests, so really I can't figure out how this works.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Love your story Randy, you can't half tell 'em!

aa, just read your bubble about HDR go to this link http://www.ononesoftware.com/products/perfect-effe... and download free software for HDR effects (amongst others) for free. Learning about it Thomas's course!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Aa, do not accept test pieces longer than 250 words or so! If they want 2000, they are con merchants. That is £150 or so of work,

I am in Rome till Sunday night, so will not be checking in unless the hotel computer is free. Do not think I can cope with HP on my phone. Forgive formal writing, cannot find apostrophe on bliddy Italian keyboard!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

To be fair, with respect to terminology, I could do drug stuff with no research. Even so, 2000 words would be 3 to 4 hours of work if I was highly familiar with the subject.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

bliddy Italian keyboard??? Enjoy Rome.

I had emailed em, and they emailed back to say that they agreed it was way too long, they will speak to their database somebody or other, and asked me to translate a section of it, so all is good.

Plus I've translated a drug trial as a second test, hopefully I will not mix up the double dummies with double duckies (a fractal group I am a member of). I have done a lot of it already. Still a few details I'm stuck but will deal with later.

But what really gets me is how complicated the bliddy joining process is, either I am particularly stupid, or they are particularly inept.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

As I said before, this does not tally with my general experience. If you want any help with clinical trial etc terminology, email me at tehuti the Greek god of words and wisdom at the com address belonging to the mighty G (hope I have disguised this sufficiently from spam bots)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks! I think I know where to find the addy. There is one phrase which is kind of corporate, which I am not sure about. Can I put it in here?


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

You can, but I cannot guarantee to catch it here. I can only access HP usably on the hotel computer. It you mail to gmail at the great Egyptian god (my bad saying Greek before, must be the grappa working!), I will be able to pick it up on my phone.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ok will do. Thanks very much. Have a good trip.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Randy, your spam filter gobbled my last comment- I love your story, you're a real yarn teller!


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Yet another great story. Even though you wrote it under duress, it sure doesn't sound like it. Have you thought of making a collection of these small-town vignettes? Like "Spoon River Anthology" or "Olive Kitteridge." I've always liked the Novel-in-Stories approach.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

When you read this story Randy, it mirrors the present time in some ways. I'm thinking about all the young men who I supervised (when I was a PO) after Iraq etc. Drink, drugs and violent behaviour, yet Virgil appears to be lacking in the latter.

Having said that, I wonder whether people are as tolerant. Whether the modern day Virgil would be so accepted in his community?

The world isn't as kind to vets as they once were, imho.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

The world isn't as kind to anybody anymore, except those at the top of the pyramid. Power and wealth are concentrated at the top. People lower down have to work their butts off for less reward than they used to get. This doesn't make them kind.

On the other hand, many minorities are treated a hell of a lot better than in the past so it is not all negative.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

On the other hand.......I've sold 2 fractal iPhone cases on Zazzle today! This month was terrible for Z and CP (especially the latter was strange because I got used to making regular sales there, a couple of cases a week, then suddenly......nothing).

And now......all of a sudden 2 fractals in one day!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hi folks nice to meet you all again over here!

Had Hellish day. Mum has been extremely agitated and restless all day, more so than usual. She escaped twice. Am now realising all doors have to locked all the time. Despite sedation, she was up till 2am despite me stripping and putting her to bed three times. She no longer recognises her bedroom, and doesn't want to be there. She thinks her bedroom is somewhere out the front door. She has been doubly incontinent 5 times today including that time during the night when she removed her protection, leaving me to change and wash several layers of bedlinen on a king size bed.

Anyway, that is probably too much information. I can cope quite easily with once or twice, but hey...

Meanwhile, she managed to let the dog out of the house while I was cooking dinner, and my neighbour was out gardening at the time. He has now got a bare patch on his flank that is very sensitive to touch. I cannot accuse her of anything because I did not see anything happen, but she was holding a spade at the time.

Seeing the doc tomorrow for stronger sedation for Mum. I cannot cope with this situation much longer. She is going in for a week's respite care next week. Not now getting bathroom done up during that time because when I read the plumber's email again, it said I had to order the bathroom suite and tiles, and I haven't even had the time to choose one, never mind order it. Hey, I will have a whole week to myself, to lie in bed all day and sit up all night if I want.

After that, I may have to consider the very real possibility of putting mother in care because she is getting too much for me.


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brakel2 3 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

What about your father Izzy? You are so brave and strong. Hugs Nice to meet on this hub.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hi Brakel, my father died suddenly 7 months ago. Mother has multi-infarct dementia and her condition is worsening considerably week by week.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Morning everyone. Great story, Randy.

Izzy, yes it does sound as if your mum is going to have to go into care. (Most people wouldn't have lasted as long as you have in the situation you're in.) Unfortunately TPTB will no doubt want her home to be sold in order to pay for the care home costs.


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annart 3 years ago from SW England

What a great story well told! It's sad what a hard life can bring to one person and this shows you should never judge a person by what you see now. Someone's past can affect them so much; we shouldn't judge and we shouldn't condemn.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

OMG I'm having the weirdest day. Guy came to fix the boiler, "fixed it" but the temperature is still fluctuating, he has no idea why.

Was locked in my bathroom (guy not me). We had absolutely no idea what to do. In the end he broke his way out.

So no consistent hot water, and no bathroom lock. Plus I told agency guy about my mouldy bathroom ceiling, he told me I needed to open the window, I agreed but pointed out that opening now would not help, he told me to wash it myself.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I just signed up for NaNoWriMo. I have the "setting" of my novel, but no idea about the plot. I am going to produce 50k of boring no-action next month.

Anybody else feels like joining me, so we can become writer buddies, whatever they are?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Mother was good as gold today, after a bad start this morning. She was up and dressed already when I got up, so I made her a cup of tea while I went to prepare to take her to the doctor. I left the back door unlocked after letting the dog out, thinking she wouldn't go out in the pouring rain. She did.

She came back 15 frantic minutes later (I was considering calling the police) soaked through (she had no coat on). I had to phone and delay the dr's appt by ten minutes while I got her changed.

Because I was up to high doh I babbled on to the doctor about her condition, and he has now prescribed a sedative so strong I am frightened to give it her (after reading online that the US refused to pass it for dementia care).

Anyway, he also prescribed a course of antibiotics to be started once he has the result of a urinalysis. Of course, mother couldn't perform when required, so I have a specimen bottle to try to catch some over the weekend.

What he said rang a bell. How could I forget? When I was nursing it was common to find dementia patients get worse if they had a urinary tract infection. Mother started to really go 'off' some weeks ago, and I remember the incontinence nurse collecting a specimen because I said she seemed to have a 'frequency'. I think that was three or four weeks ago. She said she would test it with a Uristix and only send it off to the lab if it showed any abnormalities. As it turned out, she left the Uristix with me to check., knowing I am an ex-nurse. I saw a trace of protein and a trace of white blood cells, but when she checked later she said everything was normal. (Protein and blood are indicative of an infection, and there was definitely no blood).

Mother still has a frequency, and I cashed in the prescription for antibiotics while at the chemist for the sedative, but not started any course yet.

This afternoon, Mum sat and dozed in a chair, was quite happy being left alone, was not quite as confused as normal, and went to bed easily this evening (and is still there, touch wood!) If she would only stay like this, I could cope.

I am going to look into the cost of a nursing home for her. We live right across the road from what used to be the old folks' home, but is now a dementia care home. Mum is going in there next week, for a week. (Roll on Monday!)

It costs £1000 a week for respite care there, but this is reduced to something like £400 if you get a Social Work referral (which Mum got, easily).

There will be waiting list for a permanent bed, but have no idea if it is charged at the same rate, and if a reduction applies if referred.

Assuming the reduction does apply, it would cost me £15 an hour to get a helper in which is £125 a day if you want just 8 hours help. That would be 7 x 125 for a week. is that £875 for a week? But I could (maybe) get 24 hour care for £400?

Something I will need to consider. Dad left enough money to keep mum in care for years, if need be. There'll be nothing left for the grandchildren but hey, such is life. they'll just have to go out and work for it, like everyone else.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@aalite, I too have an outline idea for a book but the plot is sketchy but I reckon if I could get the facts right for the setting, the rest will follow easily if I am alone and in the right frame of mind. Unfortunately, with things the way they are the moment, I cannot join you I'm afraid, but wish I could.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

It pisses me off that those charges for the elderly apply, when my parents paid into the system all their lives.

Those that never paid a penny, or never saved a penny, get it for free (at least in Scotland). If my Dad was an alcoholic layabout scrounger, there would be no charges at all. I would not be overwhelmed by events, because all the Services would have sprung into action and taken care of mother for me. There would be no hourly charge for care in the home. The system stinks.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Oh and aalite, I meant to ask, is your home rented? There is no way you should be expected to live with mould in the bathroom or anywhere in the house. It is dangerous to health, especially black mould. We have one room in the house here (a toilet) that is susceptible to mould. It's OK just now because I painted it with anti-mould paint last year, but the room is unheated and cold and mould just thrives.

Before I came back to the UK, I was working in the basement of my Spanish home, and found black mould growing. Well, I thought it was dead as it had all dried out, and brushed it away without wearing face protection.

I was coughing and breathless all night long after that. In the end up, I had to use a Ventolin inhaler to breathe. Give mould respect, and be very careful when you are cleaning it.


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Jodah 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

Great story Randy. I knew a so called 'town drunk', very similar to Virgil. He was actually a painter by trade and at sometime or other painted almost every house in the small town. But on the weekends he would binge drink himself into oblivion, I guess to overcome his own private demons. He too passed away a few years ago, but unlike Virgil, I still don't know his life story.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Izzy, glad your mother was better today. Do you think if there is really a urinary infection problem she would improve if it was taken care of?

And yes it is one of the huge unfairnesses of the system that people who save are then forced to use the savings to pay for care that those who did not save get for free. I guess the reasoning is that providing care for everybody would be prohibitively expensive, but it is very unfair. Really makes you wonder what the point of saving is, other than pride I guess.

Yep I am renting this flat. I actually have no dealings with landlord, it's all handled through the rental agency. I was surprised at his reaction, I was pretty certain that they have to take mould seriously.

He just lectured me about having to open windows, even in winter, like it was all my fault. This flat has no ventilators and it is seriously damp, I do open windows but it doesn't seem to be enough. I've lived in plenty of other flats, and never had mould. Plus, I've lived here for a ridiculously long time, it's not like I moved in and immediately allowed mould to develop.

I know it can be dangerous, my family is constantly nagging me with their worries. Actually my main problem is it is all high up, on the ceiling and very high on walls. I am short, and have bad balance. I'm worried more about falling down and breaking myself. Still I guess I will deal with it, I mean I could raise a fuss, and find some authorities to go to, but quite honestly it will be easier to just buy a ladder and sort it out.

Of course this is why rental accommodation is so shite in this country. Lots of landlords get away with not doing what they should, because theoretically having rights, and actually having them are two very different things.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

It sounds like your flat has no cavity wall insulation, or insufficient insulation. It takes me back to when friends of mine were moved into a council house in Easterhouse in Glasgow, which they decorated with loving care. Newly weds, it was their first home together. Within weeks, mould grew through the new wallpaper and paint, and the paper started to peel from the walls. The Council just said they need to keep their windows open more often. Their windows were always open! It would be bloody freezing as we all huddled round the (electric) fire.

Years later, these buildings (built circa 1960) were all stripped back to bare bones and rebuilt to make cosy family homes. Design fault, call it what you will, but there is no way you should be expected to pay full rent to live in one of them.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Yes I do think Mother would improve if she had a urinary tract infection and it was resolved. She has dementia. It is irreversible. But she doesn't need to be agitated and restless all the time, as she has been recently. Dementia is largely a memory problem. So she might not remember where she is, or who I am, or how to make a cup of tea, or how to go to the loo. But the restlessness and agitation that has given me grief for weeks can be caused by a simple unresolved UTI.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Quite possibly. I think they are going to do some more insulating because I had a guy in here a couple of weeks back who was measuring how energy efficient it was prior to making it more.

It is also at the top of the house, under the roof which according to my cousin can cause problems, can't remember how. In winter when I have the heating on all the windows are covered in condensation, which is quite ugly. Apparently I am paying a lot less rent than people who're moving into the other flats now, that's London for you.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Do you watch 'Homes Under the Hammer'? Apparently there are new regulations out now which require landlords and homeowners to become more energy efficient. There is some legislation that requires checks and tests. Might be worth checking out.


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brakel2 3 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

I am so sorry, as I knew you were caring for both parents. Bless you for caring for your mother in such a precarious state. I don't know if you believe in prayer, but you are in my prayers. Hugs Audrey


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brakel2 3 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

May your mother's suffering get relief.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Izzy, I'm pretty sure they are going to improve the insulation to the house. Perhaps it is the new legislation that is making them do that. Now if they could just get rid of the mould, change the carpet (proferably to laminate) and fix my boiler......


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ledefensetech 3 years ago from Cape Girardeau, MO

One can only imagine the horrors he saw committed at that place and at that time. It speaks much to his humanity that he was willing to risk his life to save those of others and in this is a shining example of what is best in humanity during of of its darkest hours. The horror of war is something that is not easily forgotten, not by those who survived it. What is most remarkable is that this man still did his duty as a father while wrestling with the demons from his past.


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Alastar Packer 3 years ago from North Carolina

There is always a story behind every small town drunk. In Virgil's case a beautiful and unexpected one. Guys like him deserve a memorial but maybe that is what writing like this is all it's about in a way - fiction that is probably non-fiction that memorializes someone like Virgil. You know there actually is a memorial stature to one such Charlotte, NC. This fellow waved at cars and helped children across a deadly intersection every single day for 40 or 50 years. Outstanding character you've told about and dam my macho man stuff heartwarming stuff too Randy my friend.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

aa, I would strongly recommend buying a dehumidifier. Not one with those stupid crystals, but a proper one that sucks water into a reservoir. The water you get will be pure so it's great for watering plants or rinsing your hair.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

aa, I second EF's suggestion. I had mould in my bedroom and son's bedroom a couple of years ago. We had to clean the spores with bleach to kill them before stripping the wallpaper and I was advised to buy dehumidifiers. I bought two small ones for our rooms and we've used them ever since. In fact, it was almost three years ago and the mold has not returned. When you see the amount of water collected by them you will be surprised. Also, you probably already know, but make sure there's a gap of at least two inches between pieces of furniture and the walls. The mold in my bedroom started behind the wardrobe which is why I didn't even notice it for ages. It was too close to the wall so no room for ventilation.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Yep EF and Hollie, dehumidifiers are probably a good idea. I did buy the crystal crap one once to put in the bathroom, I don't think it helped but it definitely collected lots of water.

I do know about the furniture, Hollie. However I often forget and my leather sofa is v. bad. It often develops a huge patch of mould behind it. Honestly if the bathroom just had a fan, and the house was built a bit better I wouldn't have these problems!

Cousin coming for the weekend. He said he would be v. late but is staying for the night with his daughter. I really hope he does come late, have to buy raw meat and clean the flat and am feeling lazy and tired after the translation tests and the plumber fun yesterday!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I'm feeling rather unmotivated too. I've had a lot of work on this week so I've not really been able to devote any time to anything else, which makes me feel guilty because I really should be making more stuff for Zazzle and CP if I'm to make the most of Christmas.

I'm going to try lots of strong coffee and hope that does the trick.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@Audrey, thanks.

This is now 3am local time (2am seeing as the clocks went back an hour) and I may have finally got Mum to bed. Had to undress her three times, since 9pm when she first showed an eagerness to go to bed.

I am frankly dead on my feet. I've been up since 8am, and had a long walk with Mum today. It was difficult because we took the dog, and he is getting bigger but has not yet learned to 'walk on the lead', so he pulled constantly. On downhill slopes, I had to lean back, and it hurt! I hobbled the final 500 yards home.

Anyway, it wasn't raining, only threatening to at the time, so it was a nice walk.

I gave Mum a sedative this morning (the mild one) and the new stronger one this evening. Obviously neither work. I finally gave her a valium from an old prescription I found in the house.

I also started her on the antibacterial drug prescribed by the doctor. He had said not to start the course until a specimen had been collected. While that is sensible, I decided to start the course anyway, because it might help Mother, and won't harm her if it doesn't. The specimen collecting stuff will have to wait until after she has finished the course.

I feel so sorry for her, actually. She is quite aware that things aren't right in her head, but needs constant reassurance.

Remember how on long trips in the car with the kids, they say "Are we there yet?" until it is annoying?

Well, today was like that. Every 3 minutes or so, maybe less, she asked "Are we ready to go?" No idea where she wanted us to go to, but the doors were locked and I had no intention of unlocking them.

I found Babs the hen dead today. I hope Dad will look after her in whatever other place they are.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Still here 4am...she got up AGAIN! Roll on Monday!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Dad put a dehumidifier in our bathroom. I had no idea how to work it. It used to go on and off seemingly randomly. The it stopped. It took me about three months to notice it had an orange light on it, which meant 'empty the water container'. Once emptied, it worked again. It has a big reservoir, and fills every other week with water even when no-one uses the bathroom. We have a separate toilet before you all think we use a hole in the ground, or whatever.

@aalite, you might be seeing a difference in your flat in future because it is now law to fit a fan in a bathroom window. Demand your landlords fit one, and also demand they remove the mould. Check with your local Consumer Rights Dept. No matter if your rent is lower than the neighbours. The same law applies.


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

hey Randy....excellent writing as I now expect and anticipate......your short stories are awesome.....

...wow a man who can fix stuff, write from the heart and keep the wife happy....happy wife, happy life...........and all that good stuff

Izzy, I hope you are able to have a restful and much needed break when the week long respite for your mom happens. Cheers to the help on the way......


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SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

my very recent life update.....soooooo....i decided that i wanted to feed the birds...i had cats for pets for many years and now i don't. i bought a nice bird feeder and filled it with seed....the next day the seed was gone from the feeder and seeds were strewn all over my deck........a squirrel....i put more seed in and bought another feeder and hung both of them on large wrought iron hooks...hoping the darn squirrel would not be able to mess things up so easily....the day after, i drove into my driveway and saw the black squirrel dashing away from my front deck......there wasn't a big mess of seeds on the deck this time...i'm sure he'll ((the squirrel...funny how i've determined the gender) figure it out and then next time i run into the rodent...he'll be swinging in the air and probably in circles from one of my feeders....the birds like the feeders. I'm going to continue buying seed - hopefully my feathered friends don't become too expensive. It's nice to attract the birds. I can see one of the feeders from my bedroom...nice way to wake up in the a.m. I plan to capture some of the bird activity via a long lense camera.....i'm hoping to capture the squirrel via camera too, but i really do hope he's swinging in circles or upside down and in circles when i take a few pics


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I've been hearing cbeebies since I woke this morning. Now brat is whining (brat is always whining) that she wants me to play hide and seek with it. Luckily they need to leave before the hurricane becomes serious so my suffering should be over soon (otherwise I might end up being carted away by men in white coats).


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm back!!!!! Thanks to everyone who comment on my tale while I was away. I had over 65 comments and I don't have the time to respond to each one at the moment. Rest assured, I appreciate every one of them so much. thanks again to you guys! :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@aalite and all you folk in the path of the hurricane, take care y'all as they say in some parts.

I've been watching with interest and some trepidation, because the Met Office is often wrong, and the storm path usually hits us and not the south.

I'm worried about the hens. Their coop is out in the open. Last time the wind got up a bit, half of their roof blew off. (Yeah, new coop, modern workmanship).

Had a great day, considering. After last night, where Mother got up yet again after my last post, and after I'd actually got into bed (about 5am) I told her to bugger off and let me get some sleep!

Today, she's been calm all day, dozing in her chair. Went off to bed no problem. Just as I was getting her night medication ready about 8pm, the cat appeared at the window - he'd been missing for 5 days and I'd just about given up on his returning.

He looked fine because he is long-haired, but I can feel his bones. He has not eaten for the longest time - probably 5 days. His collar was round his neck but also trapped under one of his front legs. I am trying to imagine what could have happened. Maybe he got trapped by the collar on a tree branch and has been gnawing on it for 5 days until he finally had lost enough weight to slip it, but that doesn't really explain how it is wrapped under his leg too, unless he had been using his paws to try and free himself, and got one of them trapped as well.

I'd been out calling for him every day and every night, and sometimes I thought I had heard a return meow. He probably couldn't breathe enough to give a proper meow. But I couldn't find him. We've had a lot of heavy rain recently. Poor wee thing. But the great thing is, he is back!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm glad you found your cat, Izzy. Pleased to be home myself as I've been in an internet dead zone in the North Ga. mountains since Wednesday and am suffering withdrawal pains. :o


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@SOH, You are going to love watching the birds! Dad always had a bird table for the birds, but it used to annoy him big time that the seagulls would swoop down and steal everything he left out. So he built netting over the bird table to deter the seagulls, but in my last year here, the bird table had bio-degraded, as they say, and there was hardly any birds used it.

This summer I bought a couple of bird feeders and hung them up underneath the big bird table. Mum and I spent many a happy hour watching the hordes of little birds that descended on them, especially the hatchlings that came along with their parents. There were sparrows, finches, robins, blackbirds, wrens and others I couldn't identify. On any given day there could be upwards of 30 birds, right outside the window. My Dad always loved cats, but said he didn't want one here because they would kill the birds. I got my cat in case we get rats now that I have hens. Am not sure what is going to happen with the birds. They nest here. We all love them. I would hate if the cat killed them, but he probably will because it is their nature. Even the dog chases the birds. We also have collar doves, wood pigeons, song thrushes, starlings, rooks, crows, hoodie crows, seagulls, and others. Hoodie crows we chase, the cat is welcome. They take the eyes out of lambs and farmers used to shoot them on sight before the gun regulations stopped them. They will happily take the eyes out of a sleeping baby too, so no we don't want them.

I got a photo of a bird of prey I saw in the big tree out back last week. It might have been a buzzard, but am surprised to see it in our garden. Also saw a pheasant walking over the drying green day before yesterday (and got a photo). Dad's got a Nikon D5000 with zoom lens, but am still learning how to use it.

I don't think we have a squirrel, which I am quite jealous about because they are cute.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Randy, you didn't miss anything, but welcome back :)

I'm not using the internet anywhere near as much as I used to, but am still glad it is there because if I couldn't vent online, I might go crazy! Course, I might already be crazy but no matter because I don't feel as if I am alone (even though I am).


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Just while I am here, I got an email newly in from webmaster tools, telling me that one of my blogs is showing an increase in 'not found' errors.

LOL, could it be because Google, the same company that own and run blogspot as well as WMT, have taken most of my blogs offline?

I got a succession of emails from Blogger through the week to say that Google's new automated spam detector had marked most of my blogs as spam, and therefore they were gone and I can no longer access them.

Thing that vaguely pissed me off was that one of them had some genuine articles in it, with no sales target or products listed, and it used to get hits (some). My trouble was I started a lot of blogs while still in Spain and desperate, and since I returned here have not had time to update them or add in much in the way of quality content. All of those blogs had some ex-hubs in them. Oh well, c'est la vie, as they say.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks Izzy, glad to be home again. This time of year we travel a lot and I sometimes get weary of it. No, you're not completely alone if you have friends to talk to, no matter if it's not a face-to-face encounter.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I might better check my blog too, Izzy. i don't visit it very often either.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Hope you can make the most of the week's respite, Izzy.

Aa, I am short with crap balance too. Wonder if it's a Polish thing?! I found the beginnings of mould in a corner of my bedroom ceiling. I dabbed at it with a long-handled sponge thingy dipped in bleach. That was last year, and so far it has not returned.

I was somewhat anxious flying back to Bristol tonight because of hurricane warnings, but there was no turbulence whatsoever. No wind at all in Bristol. The Severn bridges had "very high wind" warnings. I did not notice anything when I went across, but the older bridge is now shut. The drive home was a bit miserable because of rain, but I've seen worse in the past. It's raining here, but not a trace of wind yet. There are flood warnings all over Wales though.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks Izzy, I think I shall be ok, so far there is only heavy rain, like almost every other night, it might pass me by yet.

Great that you found the cat! Must have been terrible for him if he was trapped in a tree.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Good luck with storm guys. Didn't know hurricanes were a problem there. Be careful!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Randy, I have said this before and it is worth repeating, please write a book. If short stories are what you are best at, write a book of short stories. You might not even have to self-publish. I think any book publisher will jump at the chance to get behind you.

You have a natural flow. Your short stories read really well. There is a natural and unassuming talent there. I am jealous of your ability which really is something special and not easily come by. Not jealous in a bad way; it's just that I can't do it and wished I could.

I don't even think you are aware of how special and rare your talent is. You bring stories alive.

People that can do that in so few words are very few and far between.

I have written long essays. I can write 'how-tos'. I cannot write short stories and believe me I have tried for many years.

Magazines pay well for short stories. Many people happily read collections of them, myself included, but especially the masses who do not have the staying power to read a book all the way through, especially when it is just one story. I am frankly disgusted to hear on the radio about the sheer number of people whose first ever book they read all the way through was Fifty Shades of Grey. Women in their 30s or 40s who had never read a book before, read this muck and thought it great! Dear God. Storyline apart, this had to be one of the worst books I have ever had the misfortune to read. I had to force myself, yet it is possibly the biggest selling book in the world ever? Yuk!

The market is now ready for a book of short stories, to build on what EL James possibly started. Getting people into reading.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks so much for your encouragement, Izzy. I know I just need to sit down and put some of my tales into an ebook at least and see where it leads me. I really do enjoy spinning a yarn, especially about things I really know about and like myself.

I agree with you about the real crud which gains success these days, and like you, I find much of it either boring or badly written. Thanks again for your encouragement as I do respect your opinion.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hurricanes are rare in the UK, Randy, but when they do strike they create mayhem, usually because no-one expected them. South of England got one a few years ago, and weatherman Michael Fish has never yet lived it down. He said live on TV that people had been phoning the Met Office asking about an impending hurricane, and not to worry because there was no hurricane expected. That night, there was a hurricane and it caused widespread devastation.

I remember the hurricane of 1968. I was just a schoolgirl, but it changed the coastline and further inland it brought down buildings and caused many deaths.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

To add to what I wrote, while ebook self-publishing is still the in-thing, very few have had much success. Those that have, have gone on to win book deals from the big publishers. Skip the self-publishing thing and submit a story or two to one of the big publishers, or even all of them. They should recognise talent and sign you up on the spot. It's when they don't, that people have the option of self-publishing as a way of reaching the masses. If you do decide to self-publish, we will all support you and spread the word. I've still got a dot com (that Google couldn't touch) about books. It needs updating too. When it is, I'll capture page 1 again, which is good for any product I choose to promote.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I do have some magazines a friend recommended I submit some of my stories to. I think you're right about the chances of being successful publishing an ebook being slim to none at this time. As you said, I just need to give it a good try with a few publishers before creating an ebook. Those mags do pay pretty well if I can get some of my stuff published.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

We suffer the effects of hurricanes almost every year here in Georgia, some worse than others. Hope you guys are battened down!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well I didn't notice the hurricane, it is a bit windy now but lovely day. A crane valiently tried to destroy the cabinet office, but I don't think it made much of a difference.

WA, I have found bleach to be very effective against mould (and dirt) too. Have the whole bathroom ceiling to do, I think I'm going to invest in one of those stable ladders. Now awaiting plumber who is going to have another go figuring out what's wrong with my boiler.

Hopefully I won't have to rescue him from the bathroom again.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Yes, our hurricane was a terrible flop- this could only happen in Britain. On a happier note, Brooks, Coulson et.al trial starts today and even they are eventually found not guilty the trial will, undoubtedly, be a terrible ordeal for them, which should cheer us all up no end.

Randy, I have last years copy of the the Writers and Artists year book, so if you need any leads for submissions I'll happily do a little research and email some to you.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I thought you would enjoy the Red Woman going on trial.

The plumber has now been fixing my boiler (again) for 4 hours. I am really fed up of having somebody in my flat. Especially that it is far from clear to me that he knows what's wrong and that he will fix it. They're "cleaning" something again, I thought it got descaled a couple of weeks ago.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Randy, you might consider submitting your short story collection to the University of Georgia Press. It also has a competition for collections once a year:

ugapress.org/index.php/series/FOC

In your area, you also might check out the website for Mercer University Press:

ugapress.org


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks guys for the suggestions on where to submit my stories, I have a few places in mind but I can always use more. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

The red-headed vixen (that was a joke btw, apparently how some members of the Conservative party have referred to her- I don't usually liken women to animals. Lol!) Yes, I will enjoy this immensely aa, particularly if David Cameron is caused lots and lots of cringe worthy embarrassment and then we can all demand his resignation! Tee-hee.

Also is poetic justice after the misery that their trashy tabloids have caused so many others. Enjoy it so much when I see the paps pursuing her.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Yes the 'hurricane that hit Great Britain' affected only a very small area. The strongest recorded wind speed was of 99 mph on the Isle of Wight, which means that everywhere else probably got a storm or maybe a violent storm. I am much more worried about the forecasted weather charts for Wednesday as I am seeing a deep Atlantic depression sited off the west coast of Scotland which will bring stormy weather ashore. It's the time of year - the equinox - for getting the worst winds. I need to move the chicken coop to a protected area, but can't actually lift it. The hurricane of 1968 that hit us, by the way, brought mean wind speeds of 140mph. Now that is a hurricane! I might have to write hub about it, seeing as there is precious little information on the web about it, except to say "the media largely ignored it". Well, they would. It didn't affect London at all. I was only 10 at the time, but I've never seen a storm like it since.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Mum is in respite care. It feels weird being here alone. I'm really glad I have the dog and the cat for company.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'll bet it does seem kinda lonely around your place without your Mom there, Izzy. Try to get some rest if you can. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Rest? I took the dog for a walk at 9pm, just because I could! (and the dog-walker didn't turn up today, but the weather is abysmal so I don't blame him). I am rested just by knowing my time is my own, to do with as I please. A week is probably not long enough to get the house in order, but hey we'll see what I can do. The weather forecast is awful which is just typical after a great summer and dry autumn (up till recently) which is a pity because I now have the freedom to take the dog down to the shores, or go gold-panning, but a week is probably not enough time to get myself together enough to do any of those things. I am loving it already! Time. My. Own.

I meant to get back up to the Home to see Mum this evening, but never found the time. I bought her a stash of chocolate today, will take it up tomorrow. It was upsetting and disconcerting to note that the other residents were totally out of it. I'd hoped Mum would find someone she knew there, and I think she knew most if not all of their faces (small town) but they all seemed to be curled up and silent.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Sometimes rest takes other forms of activity, Izzy. Doing things you love can rest one's body and mind without merely being inactive. Enjoy!


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

While driving home tonight listening to satellite radio................Lou Reed songs over and over.....and then I realized....he's dead! Googled his name when I got home and yes....it's lights out for the dark poet.....

So....my task tonight is to find my Lou Reed albums.....I unpacked 10 or more boxes of albums in the spring but didn't put them in order when I placed them on shelves just for albums.....sooooooo.....tonight I must find Lou Reed!....I'll probably be up until midnight sorting them out finally....I kept procrastinating....but.....I will play one your songs tonight, Lou baby!

RIP Lou Reed

xo SOH


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

A fine memorial to great artist, Someway. Enjoy your evening. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

There is a fear creeping up on me again.

Not long after dad died, I had this long conversation with a local tradesman. His mother had developed dementia. Her conditioned worsened and she was removed to hospital. He stepped in and requested his mother be moved into his home. His offer was refused. The State stepped in, put his mother in residential care, and sold her home to pay for her care. All the while the son had been trying to get his mother out and home with him, but the State took all control away from him.

That frightened the Hell out of me. Surely asking for help with elderly care shouldn't mean losing all rights?

The Duchess of Hamilton was featured on the BBC news tonight. Her husband, the Duke, developed dementia, and got to the stage where they put him into a (psychiatric) hospital to review his medication, supposedly. Medication reviews seems to be a common procedure these days. Both Mum and I have been invited along to 'medication reviews' at the local Health Centre.

According to the Duchess, her husband was scared when not at her side, and called out to her as she was leaving. I can understand this bit, because from my own experience, Mother hates to be left alone without me there. When my daughter was here in the summer she confirmed that my mother became agitated and restless when I went out to shops or whatever.

Anyway, she'd reassured him that he could come home, right now if he wanted. Then someone else had piped up to say that no he couldn't, because he had been Sectioned and was there for a minimum of 28 days. This man died 8 months later, and his wife is convinced it was brought on by the stress of being forcibly detained under the Mental Health Act.

It seems that they can detain anyone with dementia under this Act, and take all powers away from their nearest and dearest.

My mum is a problem to me because she is agitated and restless. When she calms down, we rub along together just fine. I do not want someone else to tell me when my mother needs care, with them having the right to drain her bank account while forcibly giving her it.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Wish I could ally your fears Izzy, but I know little enough about the US laws concerning taking the property of a mental patient, much less those of Britain. Surely you can find more info on the subject.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I will Google it tomorrow, but if the Duchess is calling for a change in the law, then I fear she is right. As she said "if they can do this to the landed gentry, what can they do to Joe Blogs?"

I am assuming she arranged power of attorney for herself. It's a powerful piece of legislation.

Dad arranged it for himself, and in his absence, me and at the appropriate time. I am assuming that having POW is stopping the money-grabbing bureaucrats from taking control of mum, but I don't actually know. It seems to be one of the first questions they ask...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Anyone notice the new ads at the bottom of a hub above the hated RS ads? Says something like stories from around the web or some such. I wonder if we get anything from these ads or whether they're merely more HP only earnings? sigh!


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

Izzy - yikes! ....hope you get the legalities sorted out; maybe there is documentation that your Dad put in place already

My mom had a living will; that was supposed to take care of family being able to step in if necessary. Fortunately/unfortunately it did not have to be exercised.

So....I'm now tired of sorting albums....still haven't found Lou Reed or Velvet Underground. I have albums in piles now....the R&B got piled in with the C&W and Jazz and every other type of genre that was not R&R! Classical for some reason was originally stored neatly all together?????.......came across xmas stuff that i've put in the 'take to the sally anne pile".......i hate xmas music...Michael used to love playing it....but it's getting the big heave ho! ....sorry Michael...but i don't celebrate xmas anymore!

...anyway, i'll wade through more of the albums...just for another 1/2 hour. or so....no wonder i procrastinated about sorting through everything!

Sorry Lou baby!.....i may have to wait until tomorrow night to find your music!

lol....g'nite all!


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ledefensetech 3 years ago from Cape Girardeau, MO

Hate to say it Izzy, but the State should be the last people who make personal decisions like that for you, but unfortunately we've given up more and more of our ability to make those decisions to the State. This is one of the downsides of the nanny state. It's becoming much the same on our side of the pond.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

But Izzy, in order to section her wouldn't she have to prove a danger to herself or others? And wouldn't it have to be a Dr, Psychiatrist, Social Worker or member of the family who signed her off? I know Scottish law is different, but I'm pretty sure they couldn't (legally anyway) section her without informing her next of kin and even then, they would have to keep assessing her to extend the duration of the order.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Barring an asteroid hit or some such, my earnings are going to hit a new record this month. Happy camper.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Both Amazon sales and Adsense earnings are better than I had last month. I like the trend.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

I have had the best month ever, for both Amazon and HP ads.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Oops, having said that, almost $5.00 just went missing from my Adsense account. Drat!!! :(


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Any of you guys know where to find the past HP blog interviews? I can't seem to locate them. :(


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

And who's this fuzzy looking dude...? http://hubpages.com/about/newsletter/2013-10-23


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks Para, I missed my own interview! lol!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Went up to visit Mum today and found her crying and tearful, wanting to go home. She told me her mother and father were waiting for her :(

The staff told me she's been restless as Hell, trying to escape all the time. I just hugged and reassured her that she was only there for a few days and she could soon come home. Meanwhile the staff are trying to sort out her medication as a matter of urgency. I think she needs happy pills, anti-depressants, but we'll see. The dreaded word 'medication review' was mentioned. The Social Work Dept run this home and all they need is the signature of two (psychiatric) doctors to section her. She is a danger to herself because she is physically fit and able, though not mentally. So far, the staff seem to be very understanding and capable. I can't see them forcing her to stay in care, to be honest.

Funny thing happened today. Mum needed the loo while I was there, so I took her out into the main hallway to find a staff member to show me where the toilets were, but there was no-one there except for two wee old ladies who were sitting in chairs. I asked them where the toilets were, but just after I asked, I spotted a door with plenty of big signs on it to indicate that this was the loo. As I was ushering Mum past the lady who was sitting nearest to the toilet, she suddenly piped up, quite indignantly "It's the toilet you want, is it! You want to go to the toilet! Aye, I'd love to see you go to the toilet!"

No idea what that was about but it cheered me up no end.

Before I left the building I was unexpectedly introduced to the other old lady sitting in the hallway, when she called out "Oh, there you are Christine! I've been looking everywhere for you. We need a man about the place." Eh?

Staff explained that everyone is "Christine" and we are all men. I miss working with geriatrics, they can be so much (unintentional) fun!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Here's hoping your mom get the medication she needs, Izzy. I know the whole thing is difficult for you.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

That's a nice PR4 backlink all the interviewees get on that page.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

So far I don't see any difference in the traffic, or should I?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

"Sponsored From Around The Web" is the title above the ads at the bottom of some of my hubs in the RS section. These picture ads are prominently displayed, making me wonder if we share the earnings on them unlike the Related Search ads in the same area. Anyone else notice these garish ads?


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I don't think they'll section ya mum Izzy, even though she's physically fit, able but mentally not, she'd have to show a tendency, or potential, for self harm or harm to others- and that would really have to go beyond a bit of aggression. If she didn't have you that would be another matter altogether, but she does.

I once had to start the ball rolling for sectioning a client. It was really sad, he was only 23 but had major plans in place for his suicide. He told me exactly *how* and *when* he would end this "pathetic life of his" and he'd previously attempted the same. When he was sectioned and had to be overpowered, I felt like a right traitor. He hated my guts afterwards!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Yes, I've noticed it Randy. It is big and garish, but because it's at the bottom of the hub it doesn't seem to matter. And also, at least it's obvious that it's an add. One of my major objections about RS, other that the fact that I earn nothing from it and it's stealing my keywords, is that it's so deceptive.

Anyway, since receiving an EC the traffic to that hub has nosedived! Hope it improves, her laziness was even considering writing another hub!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I just got a desperate call from Spain. A notice was sent to say the house is getting embargoed due to non-payment of SUMA (council tax). Two weeks ago a notice had arrived saying I owed €1,300 from 2005 and 2008, but as far as I knew all payments were up to date. It costs about €500 year, and they bung hefty late payment fines on top if you miss the deadline, but they always send out new notices if you missed it. But I paid all those years, sometimes fines and all. I argued with Javier to go in and see them about the €1300 bill because I was sure they had been paid at the time, but I finally put the money into my Spanish account yesterday. Today another two bills arrived for €1500 and €1600 respectively, with the notice of embargoment. That means they will take the house off me. I am like WTF! That is over €4000 in total! I think they have run out of money and are probably targeting foreigners. I don't even know where the receipts are that would prove they were paid. In Spain, somewhere, but I can't go over there are sort it out. Told Javier to go and see them and argue that they must have made a mistake and see what happens.

I've got enough worries here. I am not even going to think about it!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Izzy, that is dreadful! It never rains, it pours doesn't it! I suspect it is as you say, the Spaniards are desperate for money, and target people who find it harder to defend themselves.

Can you not show you've made the payments by looking at your bank accounts, or asking the bank for details of big transactions from that period? Maybe it would actually save you money to get a lawyer to deal with this rather than rely on Javier?


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

I'm really sorry you're going through all this mess, Izzy. Yes, when it rains it pours. You are due a few sunny days -- you have certain;y earned them!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I fell out with the bank big time and removed my account a couple of years ago. (they are thieves, and anyway said bank has since gone into liquidation and been taken over by another bank - same staff so problem still exists with them).The rest of the bills were paid cash, but I would have had receipts. Javier is terrible for throwing things out, so might not have them now. Unless they are filed away, who keeps 8 year old receipts anyway? I can't even phone them up because no-one speaks English at the SUMA department, and my Spanish really isn't good enough over the phone. I can't even sell my house over there because of the recession, unless I wanted to accept a huge loss. I hope Javier will sort it out. Honestly he is such an idiot at times. Spanish lawyers are also suspect. I do not know a good one.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I am away to have a coffee and contemplate getting the mess in this house sorted out. Mother has filled (100s of) plastic bags with books, clothes, paperwork and they are all over the place. I need to go through each one, find all the unpaid bills, pay them, file away the important stuff and find space in her wardrobe for the clothes. It is a huge task! Then I need to get rid of the bag-loads of carrier bags to stop her re-filling them. At the end of it, the house should be in reasonable order, then I can relax. This might take several days by which time mother will be home again.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Liberal Conspiracy is shutting down! Well not as in disappearing, but it will not be updated with new stuff. Sad.

Also I've just bought a Syma helicopter for nephew, who is way too young for it, but I always wanted to play with one.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I was reading about LibCon blog. My mum and dad bought Thomas a remote control helicopter when he as around four or five, next to the furbys, it became my my most hated toy. He used to fly it into me, more than once I almost lost an eye!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

It sounds as if you urgently need a lawyer to deal with the problem in Spain, Izzy! Going by your previous descriptions of him, I certainly would not feel able to trust your boyfriend to deal with the matter competently. There are a number of UK law firms offering such assistance. Obviously they have Spanish lawyers to deal with the matters, but presumably these are subject to supervision and control by the UK office.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

A gestoria could ably deal with it - they are like financial advisers that deal with the authorities - bills, taxes that sort of thing. Most speak English perfectly. I may have to go looking for one. I have the feeling that Javier has been ignoring all communications sent to my ex-husband. He cannot seem to understand that everything concerning the house is in my husband's name and that I have not been able to change it, but that I am ultimately liable.

Anyway, got one room gutted and cleaned, and loads of Dad's collections of stuff disposed off. Seems a shame, but there is no-one left who can strip down old kettles and the like and re-use parts of them to fix something broken. Had to throw out all his gardening boots too. The spiders had been nesting in them and they would have taken quite a clean-up for re-using, and I've just not got the time or energy.

I forgot today is Wednesday, and so have missed the rubbish collection for another week. Pity because it is piling up now!

Took an hour out and went to visit Mum this afternoon. She was happy and settled so all is well.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Great, Izzy! Perhaps your mom will eventually feel at ease there and you can rest a bit easier too.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

My last comment did not post. I pressed 'send' and it put me back to the feed.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I had been in the process of explaining how it would be nice to not have to wake up in the morning. I am not suicidal, I don't want to kill myself.

I can't speak to anyone about how I feel because my complaint to the Health Board about my Dad's treatment has meant that no-one wants to see me.. not that I have tried. I got my suspicions confirmed by a senior nurse.

If I lived or died will make no difference to Mum. The person she trusted most in the world is already dead.

I repeat, I am not suicidal. I have no wish to aid death, but still welcome it. I've had enough.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I didn't find your post in the spam filter, Izzy. I know what you mean about it being nice to not wake up in the morning sometimes. Things seem overwhelming at times, but there's always hope for better things to come. Hang in there Izzy, we're pullin' for you! :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Been crawling around under the house the last couple of days trying to connect the plumbing lines for the new bath. Plenty of spiders, but so far, no snakes to contend with. I'm too old for this s#!t. Beth seems to be able to talk me into these things so easily. I'll never learn.......:(


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

lol. You have a lot in common with my husband, Randy. Mind you, the last time he very kindly coped with spiders under the bathroom was to remove the s-bend thingy and put a j-bend thingy underneath the shower drain and then run a length of pipe out from under the house and into an open area so I could use the shower runoff to water a section of the garden. I was intending to plant a fruit tree at the end of it but opted just to keep the grass green in that area. (It is on the side of the house where bushfires are most likely to approach.) He capped the old connection pipe that leads to the septic.

Now we can take long showers without feeling guilty about the water being wasted. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes, we husbands tolerate quite a bit for peace and quiet sometimes, LTM. LOL! Beth thinks I can fix anything with pliers and a butter knife. Not too far off, actually. I once fixed Habee's car with a whisk broom and some pudding pops. :o


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

How long will it take you to get to Australia? My car needs some work. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

This retirement stuff ain't what it's cracked up to be, LTM. I get the old "Hey Randy, you ain't got nuthin' to do, so how 'bout you helpin' me fix my_______. (you fill in the blank)


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Hi Izzy. Seems the rollercoaster ride is continuing for you at the moment. If I was you (sounds lame, but you know what I mean) and if I could afford it, I would just pay the money they're asking for - but make an obvious paper trail by transferring the money from my UK account to pay their bills directly - with the year of the bill in the 'reference' section so if there is ever any question about it in the future you can rely on your British bank for confirmation.

It seems to me that the day will come when you will want to just head back to your house in Spain, put your feet up ... and relax.

Involving a lawyer will probably end up costing you at least as much as the bills - and you might have to pay them anyway. Is it really worth the drama?


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

ROFL, Randy. You have inspired me to try and create a new hub today. Wait until you see the new henhouse my husband is just completing. It's a special design because we're "getting older".

Seems to me he is under the mistaken impression that the day will come when I stop asking him to fix or build things. Either that or he's hatching a plan for long holidays. The henhouse design is quite remarkable. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

LTM, the voice of reason. Yes I would like it all cleared up, even if it means paying twice for the same lack of service. Council charge...for what? The roads were terrible, the lack of local police noticeable, cleansing involved walking 500 yards with the bags of rubbish to place in a communal bin. They did change the street lighting from yellow to white light. Why send me the bill? I would love to know of any of the neighbours have a similar situation, but of course I won't find out when not there.

I remember breaking a mirror accidentally when out in Spain, but I am sure it was more than 7 years ago.

My run of bad luck seems to be continuing. Roll on 2014.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Izzy, if it helps, I had a disastrous run of bad luck for a few years. Won't bore you with the details but if there was a light at the end of the tunnel, someone had hung a block-out curtain in front of it.

When all that passed and life became brilliant again, I was SO glad I was still around to enjoy it. Hang in there, woman. Things will get better. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Thank you, LTM, sincerely. I think my latest run of bad luck has lasted 9/10 years, but I didn't break two mirrors so hopefully it will come to an end soon.

I can't see life ever becoming 'brilliant'again, but if it became tolerable I'd be OK with that.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LTM--I want to build a chicken pen like I saw in a farm magazine. It had wheels which could be lowered that raised the entire pen a few inches off the ground while the hens were still inside. When the area inside the pen becomes totally void of insects, as well as, scratched and fertilized, you simply move the pen to another spot in the garden. I'll haveta make it coon and possum proof though.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Should have added there was a year's break in that run. Last year, looking after both Mum and Dad. Like the train taking the strain, when all I had to do was cook, shop, wash and clean for them, they were undemanding and actively encouraged me to find outdoor pursuits. So, between times, I learned how to go metal-detecting, found beach pebbles for polishing and was on the brink of going gold-panning (having learned the local bedrock was a likely area). I was happy for the first time in years. It was all too fleeting, but precious. Of course, I should have been learning how to operate everything in the house. Did manage to learn how to change tap washers, and how to top up the chemicals in the hydroponic system in the greenhouse. Shame I didn't know where Dad bought his chemicals, because it seems their sale is restricted because of bomb-making fears. I've almost run out and have no intention of trying to make bombs. I don't even want this house, come to that, but both of my elder brothers were inconsiderate enough to die young and leave me with the problem. So now, I have all the decisions to make. What to keep, what to throw out. What to change, what to leave. To sell and move to a cottage in the countryside, or not. I din't ask for this responsibility. As the youngest child, I didn't expect it, but I've got it.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Talking of chicken coops, my big one lets in the rain. It might have a rain-proof roofing felting, but there is failure there.

I gave the sellers 5 stars in a rating, but I note they are no longer supplying said coop to my area, even though when I gave them a glowing write-up, I did not know about the rain problem.

My ideal would be to move this coop into what was once the potting shed, in Victorian times. We still have three walls left and I wanted someone to restore the roof, but even without a roof, the coop would be sheltered from the worst of the weather. If it were placed on a raised wooden platform, I would not have to stoop down to clean the nesting boxes. I am getting used to dirty eggs. I do not have the time to spare to clean them out everyday, much as I would like to.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I would make Beth wash the eggs. :p


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Randy, we have a chook house that fits that description (just one of the many designs we've had over the years.) There's one vital component to success but I don't know if you have it in the US and I can't describe it in words. Is there some way to add a photo to a comment? I can't be bothered writing an entire hub about it right now.

And Izzy, the hub I've not had time to start today showing my husband's latest creation addresses the very problem of stooping down - we'll no longer have to stoop down to do anything! Plus the laying boxes are wizz-bang. lol.

Gold panning is great fun. Very therapeutic. Hate to sound like she-who-has-everything (because I'm not), but we do have metal detectors and pans and a sluice and a bunch of other equipment. We even have gold in them-there-hills.

We've hung around with enough geologists over the years to have received lots of good tips. Definitely a hub in there somewhere. Hmmm. Now if I could just find the time to extract a little more gold ...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@LTM--Sounds like your man has a knack for improvisation. Since I grew up on a farm I learned to fix and build lots of things. Not by choice, but by necessity.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Another similarity. lol. He claims he learned to make quick decisions and improvise because he grew up in Scotland where the weather was so darned cold and wet. Had he grown up in Australia, perhaps he'd have been less inclined to get the job done quickly.

I suspect he might be right. After we settled in Australia and he learned to surf, he was less likely to be found doing odd jobs. We live further inland now ... things don't wait so long. :)


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Izzy, are there any online forums for UK expats living in Spain who are having the same problems with their local council that you're experiencing? You might get to talk to someone local who can recommend a reliable advisor/course of action.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LTM--I can identify with your hubby. I've been waiting until cool weather before starting the plumbing job on the new bath. If it's hot enough to sweat you then you end up dirt and sand stuck all over you after crawling around in the dirt. Not that I haven't had to do such before.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Randy we are snakes, crawling around in the dirt is what we do best. We have our reputation to maintain remember! lol!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

@Hollie--I'd prefer being one of the water snakes, such as a cottonmouth moccasin. Still slithery enough for our purposes though. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I'm not partial; water, dirt- bring it on! I've been really busy the last few days (shouldn't complain 'cos it's all money) And just catching up with hacking trial, big news is the affair between Brooks and Coulson (oh the irony, someone sifting through their dirty washing) but for me the big news is Milly Dowler again. I can't imagine how painful this must be for her parents, having to live through the events all over again. The masses seem to have forgotten this in favour of the salacious gossip!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@EF, there are gestorias that could sort this out for me. If Javier can't fix it, I will find one on the internet. I remember a few names from when I had the bar, but not their contact numbers. I'm sure I'd find them online. These people are usually Spanish but with an excellent command of English, and they know the Spanish systems inside out. For a fee they will fix this for me, I hope.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Talking of phone hacking, Hollie, I cannot for the life of me see the difference in what the News of the World did, and what Obama's security forces are doing to the rest of the world. Thinking specifically about Germany's Angela Merkel and I believe Spain has also spoken out against the tactic being used on them. I bet you anything our security forces do the same thing. What is the difference?


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Here's a suggestion I agree with

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118099

but I would be even more draconian and make the minimum 200 words -- not including photo captions and link lists (both of which are currently included) and definitely not including PoeticPhil-style lists of keyword search terms. Moreover, it should apply to all creative writing and kr'eat'ive wri'ghti'ng.

It's disappointing that HP permits this giant gaping loophole known as the poetry category. It doesn't make one whit of difference to Google what a hub is classified as, and the breadcrumbs at the top of the page now go back to an author's own hub list, not the main category page. You could write no end of spammy spun junk and classify it as nonsense poetry and it would be featured.

Anyway, back to the poison. I read that Brooks was also shagging Rupe and Loch. Hopefully not simultaneously. When Brooks gets out of jail maybe she can work for the NSA of the US. Seems like a good fit. And what happened to Wilaps?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@LTM, I am so jealous! You have real gold where you are. Well worth having a gold metal detector because you are sure to find some nuggets. Unfortunately the gold in my part of the world is in flakes within other rocks. My gold panning kit came with a magnifier, a pair of tweezers and a specimen bottle. Says it all really! It is an Australian mining company who recently re-opened Scotland's only gold mine. they have the technology to extract it. We have the same bedrock here according to a map their geologists produced. http://www.google.com/imgres?biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=...//www.scotgoldresources.com.au/projects/&docid=a3UIzigFfjE0jM&imgurl=http://www.scotgoldresources.com.au/wp-content/upl...


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

That link is a mess - this one is better - it has a click to enlarge button on the map - http://www.scotgoldresources.com.au/projects/


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

IzzyM, don't hold your breath waiting for me to hub about it, but we had a local metalworker create a device for extracting the gold from rock. I have some great photos here of all kinds of our wacky gold related activities.

Some people go fishing to relax. We figure we don't have to throw the gold back, so it is better use of our time. lol. We don't take it seriously, although we've often said we should. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Izzy, I'm opposed to both,(I'm a Guardian reader and supporter of Snowden) I disagree with what the NSA do as much as the Murdochs. Problem is, whilst NSA have an element of control over what the UK security services do we are powerless to challenge it because the law (or control) is weighted in their favour. On the other hand, the Murdoch minions can be challenged because they have clearly broken the law. The other problem that I have with this is the nutty right wingers (not the normal ones) are trying to justify B, C and M actions by saying "well, if it's ok the NSA do it"

I don't thing that the behaviour of the former should be used to justify the latter, or vice versa! And also, my thoughts are still with the late Milly Dowler's family- I can't get my head around their hacking her phone. Don't really give a shit about the affair, other than the hyprocracy when they are calling people out who had affairs!

@PF, I didn't believe it when I read about RB and AC (few weeks ago, been rumours for a while), and also questioned how this was relevant to the trial. I understand now. If it comes out that RB really did shag senior and junior- that's the pits! I mean, RM, that will damage her rep no end. Lol!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Just followed your link, IzzyM and learned something new. We never thought about prospecting when we lived in Scotland.

Maybe sometime in the future when you want to go on a prospecting holiday you can come and visit our place.

To give you a taste of my local treasures, I'll add a quick section to my 'Tops Tips for Living off the Grid' hub with a couple of photos. Give me a minute. (Not sure it would be fair to leave the photos there for long though ... don't want to give other off-gridders a downer if they can't find gold at their places. lol. )


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Link it here, babe! Randy doesn't mind, and I hate going searching!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Done, IzzyM. Here's the link. https://dengarden.com/misc/Top-Tips-for-Living-Off... Just uploaded the first couple of photos I could find.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Getting a photo of the little crusher would require a walk to the shed with a camera. I can't really be bothered right now, sorry. We crush the rock, then use a pan to extract the bits of gold. Not hard to do. I'm not quite sure why we don't do it more often. Funny how my priority is the garden. lol.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Those with the gold in them? I am amazed. Do you have opals too on your land? Have you looked?

A story from last year is heart-warming - http://now.msn.com/gold-nugget-weighing-12-pounds-... - he used a Minelab GPX5000 which is probably the most expensive gold metal detector in existence. If I lived in your area I would seriously consider investing in one.

Oh and thanks for the sort of invite over there, but it is not likely to happen because I don't think I could survive an 8 - 10 - 12 hour flight without a ciggie. No idea how long it takes, but when we were kids, the opposite side of the world was Australia. If we dug a whole deep enough, we'd have reached you!

Great hub, by the way!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

lol. No opals here. Wrong part of Australia. There may be some big nuggets around but it is so easy to spot the rocks with seams of granite and gold now that we rarely bother with the detector. Might get lucky one day and smash open a rock that hides a decent sized nugget, who knows?

Yes, the flight is a very long trip for a smoker. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@HollieT, I have not read a newspaper in years, which is odd for me because I used to LOVE reading the papers. I catch the TV news, or the online news, but I refuse to be politically persuaded by the Press.

The whole 'Milly Dowler' thing has gone over my head. I remember she was a wee lassie who was murdered, but fail to see any link between her family;s home phone being bugged, and her murderer. I have probably missed the point. I never did like the News of the Screws because a story to them was everything. In my 20s, a subject of one of their front page stories committed suicide after pleading with then not to publish. He wasn't doing any harm. What he got up to was with other consenting adults. The fact that he had a prominent position in society was everything and nothing. They published. He was found dead. I have no time for them.

So, no, I never liked them, but at the same time I did not read much about them either, so I'm probably missing a point or two.

But I really don't see why it is OK for governments to hack people (friends as well as foes), in the interests of 'national security'. What is the difference? It's either legal, or it is illegal.

If it is illegal, and it must be because we have this high profile court case going on, then why is no-one taking the US senate to court for the same issue?


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

I went to take the photos down but now I'm thinking I'll leave them there. If I pin them, they might attract more traffic to the hub. I've expanded them so the bits of gold are more obvious.

It is highly unlikely that anyone will recognise me or my home from my hubs so what the heck. The aim of the game is to attract traffic, isn't it?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@LTM, sorry about the opals. Just because none has been found should not stop your from looking.

Until Scotgold published their map of the likely gold-bearing veins in Scotland, I had no idea gold might be found here. This is the area I grew up in, but obviously I was away for many years. I have even found (over the years) some wonderful samples of Fool's Gold in the area, all the while having no idea that many of the gold flakes were inside the crystals. I was about to embark on the search of a lifetime. Armed with local ordnance survey maps, I was prepared to spent many a happy hour panning in the multitude of burns, streams and rivers, most of which flow unnoticed. The advice was to pay special attention to areas where the burn changed by a 90 degree direction. Two things stopped me. The death of my father, which meant having responsibility for mother, and the fact that I am not so young myself anymore. I am so tired all the time. I have constant pain in my hip or left leg, neither of which are conducive to climbing hills to follow the path of a stream.

Hey but the dream is still there! Put in on my bucket list!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Izzy, they hacked "her" phone when she was missing, then asked the Met to arrange an interview with her family and offered a reward for the killer. The hacked messages from her phone ( which were vital clues some might argue) were withheld from the police for four days. Who, with genuine concern for her, would withhold such messages? The family were obviously desperate for help, just desperate, they[NOW] pretended to care whilst hacking her phone and trying to get the "scoop" by interviewing her family. Not nice!

It's not ok, not in my opinion. National security is the biggest scam, a way to elude transparency and talk about the *national interest* But for me this isn't about the difference, there isn't one imho- other than who we can bring to justice and for what. Once it would have seemed improbable that the Murdoch dynasty could be held to account, it's on the horizon- who's next?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

The gold part sits perfectly in your hub. Unfortunately their heading will not attract readers.

'Explore all aspects of your environment' makes perfect sense in the hub, but will not attract viewers via search engines.

Perhaps if you add the words 'pan for gold' or similar, you may entice someone who has not read the rest of your hub.

Every word we write counts. Paragraph or capsule headers, especially so.

Same with your descriptive words in photos. Try to think of what a searcher might be looking for.

Your photos show what gold flakes look like in rocks. You would be amazed to know how many people do not know what it looks like. Myself included. The gold flakes in my region almost need a microscope for identification.

Your photo descriptions of "Gold can still be found in our local region" and "Finding gold is an unexpected bonus to our off-grid lifestyle choice" will be really attractive to those who are actively searching Google images using those words.

But you would be missing out big-time on the more common searches of 'what does gold look like in rock?'

Hubpages don't tell us enough about SEO. Your headings, your photo headings and your title are all more important than your content.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Hi HollieT. We heard about this in Australia. I remember hearing that because the young girl's messages had been accessed since her disappearance, there was hope she was still alive.

Izzy, have I bored you with mention of this before? https://healdove.com/alternative-medicine/Mobicosa... If I'm going to add one link, I may as well add two ... Thanks, Randy:) All my aches and pains are long gone now. There's no way I could have been living my current life if I'd not found this stuff.

Like you, we began looking for alluvial gold in rivers and streams and yes, it's there. But then we became friends with geologists who suggested instead of looking for little bits of gold among lots of sand and silt etc in the riverbeds, it was more effective to look for the rocks where the gold is washed down from.

They taught us about colour and formation and exactly what kind of rock we needed to spot. Very helpful.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

If the stuff on Milly Dowler's phone was that important, the police would have sussed it already. If there was something important there that the police didn't know about, they haven't done their job properly.

Probably they did know, but chose to keep it secret (because what they knew was illegally obtained) and it is easy to blame someone else at a later date. Isn't Murdoch a Bilderberger? Therefore he has a free pass. Why is he not in court?


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Very good advice, thanks IzzyM. I will do a bunch of gold hubs one day with lots of pics to share what we have learned. I somehow think prospectors would be a little disappointed to find themselves on my off-grid hub. lol. I'll change the capsule heading to 'Explore your off-grid landscape' to further my off-grid theme. Thanks. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Yes LMT, the hacks had been deleting her messages so they could listen to new ones which led her parents to believe that she was still alive, because they could continue to leave messages (they thought Milly must have deleted them)

Izzy, allegedly, it was the police who leaked her mobile number to NOW, so they could hack it! No wonder, on reflection, the police did not want to pursue NOW's suggestions- they wouldn't want anyone to discover how NOW had obtained the number in the first place!!!!

He's a Rothschild, methinks! He's under investigation currently, and there aren't that many people who can lead to him, bar one! Slowly, slowly!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Mention finding gold in your header!

If you are writing about gold, mention the word somewhere important. People looking for gold type that word in first. All over the world, people are fascinated by gold. The trick is to use long-tail keywords. Narrow their search down. There are some very strong sites out there who write about gold. Don't compete. Diverse. Gold from Xanadu City is long-tail. Gold from your local area is long-tail. Say it is from a neighouring area of you are worried about stalkers and general online nutters. Don't choose an area known for gold deposits, because the chances are the big sites will have already cornered the market. Choose the least searched for or competed area, because that way you will guarantee a number 1 spot for the long-tail. Depending on Google's whims you could then rank for (example) 'gold', 'finding gold' 'finding gold in Australia' or even 'finding gold in Wooga-Wooga Land' or whatever.

Don't hate me. I'm only trying to help.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

ROFL. I'm the least likely person on the planet to hate anyone, IzzyM. I can think of a few folk I don't like very much, but I don't do the hate thing. Your suggestions are very good. I have given thought to how my gold hubs will differ from existing ones but I don't yet have time to turn my mind to such a massive task.

I am on satellite internet so uploading photos takes much longer than for those lucky enough to have ADSL. I'd have to be prepared to sit at the computer all day. lol.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I had satellite internet out in Spain for a brief period after dropping the mobile internet. It was unlimited (unlike the mobile with only allowed 5Gbs of data per month) but really slow so I know what you mean. Just recently, I hooked my Spanish home up to the new European broadband internet satellite (KA-SAT) and it is super fast, up to 16Mbs download speed, allowing 10Gbs a month for less money than either the mobile or old satellite internet. Has Australia not got something similar in the southern hemisphere?


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Not that I'm aware of. We don't have unlimited satellite either. :(


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I've just fired an email off to this crowd - http://www.abacotaxes.com/ They look like they could help my Spanish problem.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Got a couple hours to kill this Halloween weekend? Wise Girls (2002) - Full Movie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY0x_lnYCAY

Meanwhile..., my traffic took a major dive. Looks like everybody and their brother is going to make the most of this Halloween. Me? I'm staying home and avoiding all the mischief.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Somebody post something controversial on the forums, for goodness sakes! The forums suck the big one!!!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

What Para, no flaming paper sacks full of excretion on people's door steps this year? :P


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Alas, the forums just don't seem to make it anymore. The spark is gone. All the fun that could be had has been had. No doubt there are probably some more rants in my future, but other than that, with the current climate, it does indeed appear hopeless.

Looking forward to a productive week next week. Don't know how or what, but will think of something.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Apparently, HP doesn't want a vibrant community anymore. I don't know why they don't just come right out and announce it to everyone and put the forums threads out of their misery.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

PDS, I'm glad you showed up. I attracted a frenemy/stalker/conspiracy theorist who thinks you are the mastermind epic troll behind PoeticPhil. No joke. Is that a compliment or an insult do you think? It's in the comments of my linguine hub. I'm still loling.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

That sneaky Para! What a devious mind he possesses. :o I never dreamt..........


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I see that you've had at least 1000 views PF. and that your hubs are featured. Unbelievable! Those MTurks can clearly recognise literary talent when they see it!


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

I've been trying to get to grips with Webmaster tools. Added my own sites to it, and checked them using the "Fetch as Google" tool in the Crawl menu. One of them got an "unreachable page" message, which means that it's not indexed. Explains why it gets almost no views! Turns out the culprit was a Wordpress plugin called WP Buttons - once I'd deactivated it, I was fine.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

@PF, I noticed a couple of weeks ago that the real Poetic Phil also thinks you are PDS. During the banter between yourselves (on his hubs I think) he refers to you as an old man and talks about how he "owned the forums" and you were the loser, or some such.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I thought my cold was over, I was feeling pretty good yesterday. But now it seems to be back. I usually get colds after visiting the Frenchlings, not before i go. This time I blame the spoilt brat of my cousin, who was here last weekend.

Honestly children are full of germs, they should be kept in isolation!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I can't figure out whether he is joking or not. If not (but he probably is, but for a joke there is a lot of detail), this is interesting........http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118132#post2492206


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Forums were interesting today. HP should sell tickets.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Just checking them out now, not been interesting for a very, very long time!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Hello and goodnight! Back from fantabulous three days of making music and listening to music (Welsh traditional music). Tired now. Talk to you soon.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Hello and you sound like you've had a great time! Not been around much myself- big, poisonous reunion well overdue.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hullo peeps! Been busy also for the last few days. Hope Monday will be a little less hurried for all of us. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Sounds great WA. I've just spent a couple of hours hunting geckos. Also exhausted, but in a less satisfied way.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

Good morning. Great news - our upstairs neighbours from hell are gone!! Not before they disconnected a pipe under their kitchen sink, causing water to drip through our ceilings and cascade down our interior walls. Typical of them to do something sneaky that they thought they could pass off as an "accident". That nice policemen clearly didn't believe them, and neither do we.

Going to be weird not having to live with (a) slamming doors caused by an endless procession of visitors, (b) multiple stomping elephantine feet of all ages, (c) shouting matches and (d) ceiling vibration caused by their Wii (that last one used to scare the hell out of me).

Their landlord is going to put soundproofing in the floor before the next tenants move in. That should be fun, but at least it won't last forever and it will have a beneficial effect.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Sounds good EF. Especially the sound proofing. I am luckily on the top floor, but I can hear absolutely everything my neighbours do through the walls, and I'm sure they can hear me, which is an amazing pain.

Mind you, I got rid off several neighbours with kids using my crickets. The crickets used to wander over, settle in and start their supremely loud singing. I wonder if I am considered the "neighbour from hell".


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Morning everyone! Glad for your peace and quiet, EF!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Morning, Randy. And another adventuresome week begins.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yo, Para! I wonder what this week will bring?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

It could be the best of times. It could be the worst of times. http://paradigmsearch.hubpages.com/hub/Emerald-Cit...


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I see the stats are still stuck. Pity because I think traffic might possibly be up. Completely sleep deprived after having to wake up at the ungodly hour of 8 am to hunt geckos. I think I'm going to sleep.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

This seems to happen on the days when traffic is up for me, mostly on the weekends. I suppose HP staff are off and the skeleton crew doesn't give a crap. lol! Get some zzzzzzzs, aa. :)


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Well, now that it's 9:00 am on Monday morning in California, I wonder what the excuse is.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Hangover? :P


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Sounds like a server upgrade is due.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I noticed you poked Wee Willy with a stick earlier, WF. I dug it! lol!


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

He poked. I just shoved it back at him. It's 12:30 am in Thailand now. He'll be asleep in no time unless he got lucky tonight.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

That's why he's there. One needn't be lucky in that place, just have a few bucks.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I feel like doing some wicked memes in the forums. Someone come up with a good .gov image, we can collaborate on the text. subject site:.gov


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Matt just closed the forum thread about wishing the stats were updated. Are we not allowed to express our feelings?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Matt is someone who I have the distinct impression is someone you do not want to mess around with.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

I'm embarrassed to tell, but I voted for Matt for Forum King. (He does seem to rule.)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

lol. He does. Rank has its privileges...


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Hey Paradigm - Were you just kidding when you posted that HP outsources updating the stats? Are the MTurkers at it again?


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Paradigm you appear to be in the throes of a meltdown http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118191

Don't you live in SoCal? You should have no problem getting your hands on some nice bud.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Works for me, PF! :P


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Of course, I have glaucoma.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

I have to make do with a baggie of oregano.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Not me, Georgia Green is all around me! This is farmin' country, ya know. :o


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Lol, I once bought oregano on Camden Street. I was returning from work Christmas lunch, with facultative powers rather dulled, and this shady individual approached me in empty street and offered me……non-oregano.

There was really no way of checking what I was buying.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha, aa! I've tried some that may as well be oregano.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I am tired. Yes, I am going blind in right eye.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Me too, Para. The stroke I had seemed to damage my right eye a bit. It's bitch to get old, aint it?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Saw forums. Not quit. Only beginning.


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

...."can the dead really live again?" pamphlet.....

that's what i came home to! i have to remember to always shut and lock the gate to my driveway!...soooooooo....i made a phone call to the local JWs and politely asked them to go away and not come to my door anymore - happens from time to time when i'm not home and leave the gate open...shyte happens when ya leave the gates to hell open....folks wanna save ya.....lol

hey all...just passin' by to say hi.....


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

LOL @ Someway! Yep, the religious sneak in where snakes cannot. Those people treat politeness as a challenge. :P


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

...lol randy....after i made the call i figured i probably made a mistake....next time i'll meet them face to face........lololol......i'll be ready for them...i have a private tele. no. at least...so no phone calls to the gates of hell.....wtf?..why me?...i moved where i am for privacy...but ..........there is no rest for the wicked or sumthin' like that..............i'm no. 144,001 i figure...i fit in there somewhere...i think......damned forever....but in a good way


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It's after midnight here in the South Georgia swamps. Most folks are asleep by now, normal folks, that is. There are always some of us night owls awake, of course. Pecking on the computer keys, occasionally walking outside and looking up at the stars for a bit, wondering about man's purpose in life............. Nah......... just BSing you! :P


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Ha! I waste little time on those folks, SOH. Life's too short.........:)


SomewayOuttaHere 3 years ago

hoot...hoot.....it's not as late here on the wet (west) coast ....i'm reading up and wondering why the Mayor (rob ford) of Toronto Ontario Canada is still kicking around as mayor.......scandal keeps following him around - smoking crack, drinking...that kind of thing...and i'm having a laugh reading comments on news briefs surrounding him...sitting on my deck outside...no stars to get philosophical about...just rain coming down....and that's the truth!

....later gater...good to run into you...back to the news.....


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Have a great--albeit damp--evening, someway. Later on.....


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

I find it incomprehensible that a seven-year-old website, dependent upon the voluntary contributions of international writers, cannot post income stats at a consistent time every day. Totally lame!

By the way, Randy, you might be interested to know that the 'Related Search' ads I see on this Hub [which you don't get paid for – but you knew that] are:

kid's stories

rat poison

mice poison

dog feeders

best mice poison

writing

day care dogs

poison dog

care for dogs

New York stories


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Not surprised, WF. The RS ads stink anyway. To high heaven, at least. I hope Paul gets his cut, he obviously needs the money.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Well, if he's earning money from poisoning dogs, he should be reported to the SPCA.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It's just business as usual, I'd think WF. Gotta make them bucks!


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Well, it's the end of the day in my Wadi and still no income stats. It's taking them longer and longer to jiggle those CPM figures, I imagine.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Are you speaking of earnings from HPads? I don't use them because I make more on Adsense and the stats are reported regularly, unlike HP's. I don't really trust the in-house bookkeeping.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

My personal AdSense account shows only a few dollars in income for the past seven days and 44.5% of the views that HP reports. I don't know if my earnings will decrease or increase if I go off of the HP ad program, but I would certainly like to know more about that option and how it has worked out for you. I do have concerns about income reporting since HP is not a publicly held corporation and its accounting is not transparent. Whole lotta trust going on from Hubbers.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Wow, I've just made a sale at Cafepress. Apparently I've sold a pumpkins and sunflowers shower curtain, which comes as a bit of a surprise because I didn't even realise that I'd made one. People buy the strangest bloody things, imho.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I make the $100 payout every month with the Adsense program, WF. So far, that is. :) My Amazon sales last month was almost twice that, so I'm okay with that too. :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Congratulations Hollie. I've never understood the things people buy. Trying to predict what might be sellable is probably a waste of time, just make lots of everything.

Feeling quite strange today. My cold is almost over, but my head feels very strange. Fuzzy and sensitive to movement, threatening to burst into headache any minute. Viruses should be exterminated!


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Now I'm really afraid to ditch the HP ad program. So far in November, I'm earning $8.85 per day with just the ad program for 36 Hubs. Maybe they've improved it since you switched?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Perhaps you're right WF, but I still don't trust HP's stats. Besides, I don't write for the money.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Randy, they just updated the earnings but the CPM report has vanished! What is that supposed to mean?


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

I found the CPM report; I had the wrong report setting. But I still don't understand how the CPM can change so radically from one day to the next. I hope you're having fun here, Randy, not worrying about the income and all. Without the income, I don't find HP to be much fun.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm retired now, so the income from my writing is merely pocket change at the moment. I enjoy writing my short stories and that is enough for me. I don't have any experience with the HPad CPM, so no help from me on that, WF.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

I understand. I do hope you'll publish a book of your short stories.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I have a few more to write before my book is ready, WF. I am indeed slow sometimes. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

@PF, I can't actually decide if this person is you and you're winding us all up or not, however, if not this person is enamored with you.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118221

This hubber has also stole your award winning avatar which is really funny, tbh! Lol!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Alas, looks like I got myself a 20% traffic drop this week.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Well since he clearly wants answers from "serious" hubbers I shall not join in, in the discussion.

I've been watching Orange is the new black all day. I don't rate it very highly, but some of it is rather amusing. Bad Girls used to be my guilty pleasure a few years back. This is a lot funnier.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

If HP ever gets serious about cracking down on crap hubs, the Engrish contingent, and the supposed native speakers who write like 5th grade dropouts, there's gonna be a lot more accounts besides mine that are deleted. Eps0n0k0 lives in a glass house.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Well, sports fans. Just finished watching Stephen King's Storm of the Century. Am now working up the energy to watch Tommyknockers. I've already seen all the other ones way back when. The Stand is the best. Life is hard...


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Thanks aa, didn't see your post before because I was too lazy to read the posts I've missed. Just can't get my head around a Thanksgiving shower curtain, forty five dollars worth of Thanksgiving shower curtain. Lol!

I'm not a serious hubber either, although in fairness I do attempt to write worthy content (more than 30 words of lairing and staring at least)

Bad Girls!!! My son and daughter used to watch that, not my thang! Although years and years ago I did rather enjoy Prisoner Cell Block H, but that's because my relationship was really shitty and it offered a form of escapism. :D

TommyKnockers, sounds like British slapstick!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Spinnokkio really can't decide whose side he's on in this issue. To me it looks like he's just attention seeking. He doesn't like being an observer in this little drama, and is seeking a bigger role. Best thing to happen would be if his forum threads just got ignored. That's my feeling about it.

I"ve joined the nanowrimo thing. I've got about 200o words worth of plot left, then there is a big black hole. My brother things I should just steal the plot form somebody else. He reckons most plots are recycled.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I think you're probably right, although I have to say ripping off PF's avatar (don't know if you've seen it, but he'd put a blue bow tie on the hatted man and drawn a face on it) was pretty funny.

I think your cousin has a point, most plots are just rehashed. WTG with the nanowrimo thing. Don't really know that much about it, is there any way we can help promote, vote etc?

I really have to try to go to sleep now, insomnia has taken a grip the last couple of weeks- going to try CMH's relaxation/self hypnosis exercises again. Night all!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

So far TommyKnockers isn't making it for me. On the verge of skipping it.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Some people maintain there are only about five or so absolute plot lines, from which all authors create variations. The fundamental plot lines can all be found in the myths of the ancient world.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

I am hoping for some feedback please. I wrote a couple of hubs about Australia's gun laws a few months back. A hubber jumped in yesterday with a stupid comment. I responded to him a couple of times but he annoyed me so much that I did a little research and have now posted a lengthy piece voicing my opinion and conclusions about his motives.

http://hub.me/af1xZ

Even if you don't bother reading the entire hub, would someone please tell me if my most recent comment is appropriate? I think our conversation covers 8 comments. I'm about to head for bed, thinking what I wrote is fine but if anyone tells me differently before I turn off the computer, I will consider changing the comment.

I don't mind people having a different opinion to mine, but I object to stupid game playing which is what I believe he was doing. How does my comment look to those of you who are not involved? Thanks in advance.


epsonok0 3 years ago

To those that believe I am PF, we will let it rest. Right? That is a stupid and baseless thought. Right?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I don't know for sure,epsonok0. Only time will tell. :P


epsonok0 3 years ago

Time and some 5th grade English lessons. And a few sock puppet theories. I made the avatar as a tribute to PF. And because beth(37) accused me a stalking. Imagine a "woman" that accuses everyone of stalking. That's not something you hear every day. NO.

PF and PS meet epso or EpsOn0kay) or whatever. LOL so confusing and so fun.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Just wasted 6 hours getting my hair cut. Most of the time was spent wandering around Camden rather than with the actual cutting. All because a bloody tube station was closed for some reason.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Whatever floats your boat, epson. It's all good! :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You must have a lot of hair, aa! :P


epsonok0 3 years ago

So, aa your foreign from America, right? What does someone who lives in another country think of our "President" and his ideas?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

We furriers think that you Mercans are pretty nuts. I guess Obama is a better conservative politician, than the last few iterations.

I quite like seeing him on TV, doesn't set my teeth on edge as much as most other politicians do. However, even though sometimes he says good things, when it comes actually doing them…….on Guantanamo, civilian killing drones etc. I don't really see that much difference from his predecessor, so really the positive things are very shallow.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Oh Hi Epson. Not much to do in the 'burg eh? I don't mind if you follow me around HubPages or parody my avatar, I find it hysterical and flattering, so keep doing whatever it is that you're doing...crusading for justice for PoeticPhil whom I have mercilessly mocked, even though I've moved on to writing my own crappy poetry. He inspired me to find my inner poetic muse. He is my poetique idol now, so I would appreciate it if you stop calling him a joker and a clown.

And feel free to keep telling people I am Beth37. You are a super sleuth!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

After I left Probation I registered with a social work agency and emphasised that although I still wished to work with offenders I would not consider working for a statutory agency, such as Probation, again.

They have contacted me no fewer than six times this year to offer a temporary contract with various Probation boards, including one in Cumbria. As well as becoming pretty pissed off with telling them that I would not consider working within the Probation Service again, I'm also wondering whether the game is to begin 'replacing' certain staff during the privatisation shift. i.e. telling that they would have to reapply for their jobs whilst secretly having already filled the positions.

Oh, row, drama! :D

Can I also just ask, who is PS?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

ParadigmSearch I suppose, Hollie.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

You rang?


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Ah, right. Thanks Randy.

And Epso, Ipso whatever, it was one person, myself, who asked whether you were really PF having fun with us all. If you want to play in the hen house you'll need to develop a thicker skin and a sense of humour. Right?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes Para?


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

As a resident of Wales, Epson, I have no interest whatsoever in US politics. I know your current president is called Obama, is black and has a wife who seems to spend a lot on hairdressers and clothes; that is the full extent of my knowledge. I have no clue what ideas are flogged by Obama. I seem to remember he is a Democrat, which as far as I understand US party politics would put him somewhere centre-right in European terms.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

@longtimemother, that particular hubber is always looking for platforms to espouse his particular cause, he found your hubs. In all honesty, if they were my hubs, I'd delete every comment he makes on your hubs just to piss him off. But that's just me, putting the capital P back into poison. Lol!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Thanks, HollieT.

I appreciate your suggestion to just delete him but if people like that remain unchallenged, they just continue behaving badly elsewhere. I noticed that a number of hubbers simply stopped writing after his comments. What a shame they lacked the confidence to either delete him or put him in his place.

Is there a way to refuse input from individual hubbers? Or simply moderate one specific hub at a time? I would feel rude not allowing people to have their say and see it immediately published on most of my hubs.

I have to make the long drive to a nearby city today so I'll just leave things as they are right now. Hopefully he'll back off and it won't be an issue.

Thanks again for taking a look and leaving your feedback. I was hoping it was not inappropriate to profile him. Now that he has invited people to quote him and confirmed that my sources were all public and legit I don't have any regrets.

And thanks to Randy and Theophanes for joining in with feedback as well. Perhaps if enough people tell him he is behaving badly he might listen.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

My pleasure LTM, it's not the first time I've crossed swords with Jack, nor will it be the last, I fear. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I appreciate your suggestion to just delete him but if people like that remain unchallenged, they just continue behaving badly elsewhere. I noticed that a number of hubbers simply stopped writing after his comments.

That's his aim, and he does continue to behave badly elsewhere; in the forums he'll get you banned if you counter his nonsense. When he comments on hubs he'll attempt to intimidate the author, if they have a different viewpoint, and the poster if they have a different viewpoint. He suppresses the other side of the debate by using bullying tactics.

If you delete, however, he's unable to do that. It's not like you're deleting or suppressing the views of a rational, reasonable poster with views different to those of yours. Just those of a bully who wants to silence you. He is free to write hubs of his own.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I agree with Hollie that sometimes you have to delete comments from some posters if they continue to abuse the privilege. As most who comment here know, I try to allow everyone to comment on this hub and seldom remove posts unless they threaten to endanger my account or are too profane. It isn't about censorship at all, just playing it safe.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

hay, phu'k'k'k'k'k yew @55 holl, eye canne bee pro-phain if eye wunt! gheigh but ce'ks

(j/k, it's the e-tourettes)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I'm ashamed to say I understood you perfectly, PF. I'm keepin' an eye on you! :P


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Could there be a duel of the painted bow ties in the near future?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

"Duel of the Painted Bow Ties"... What an absolutely perfect forum thread title. lol However, I shall defer.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

WOW! You never defer, Para! Gettin' soft in your old age or sumthin'?


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Yep. My time spans of being a kinder, gentler paradigmsearch are getting longer and longer. And I'm fine with that. Besides, I'm getting tired of the remorse afterwards. I really do try to live by the quote on my profile page. It's the right thing to do.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I don't get the "gheigh but ce'ks" You have so many incarnations, I find myself arguing with and defending your many alter egos at the same time. This can't be healthy.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

Rut roh!!!! :O


epsonok0 3 years ago

@poetic I think that you may have misunderstood a few things. You connect me to that other hubber. However you are wrong. @hollie your advice and participation are both bit to late. I gladly made a call to that other hubber. I hope you all know that internet slander, regardless of context is of course illegal. Apparently he is making a few phone calls. !@Poetic you are not smart to have acted so dumbly. If anyone so much as breathes the same air as you they to will be penalized for what you have done here. From what I understand that other hubber you talk of and share links about is in full knowledge of the law of slander and harassment and has taken some very heavy steps. HP staff are also involved and will be closing a large handfull of accounts who participated in insinuating gender confusion in regrads to me. There have been some serious miscalculations tonight. I hope those that are penalized understand that when Staff respond to all of what has transpired.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

epsonoko - "This account is in the process of being closed by HP staff." LOL


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

What a loon. How coincidental that as soon as I posted that the two accounts use the same IP address and then posted an outside link to a public site, my crazy stalker disappears. And the other account deletes all its hubs. Yeah, nothing weird about THAT!


epsonok0 3 years ago

Yes, its fun Izzy. isnt it? Staff feel that I cause to much controversy. LOL whatever that meant. Maybe it has something to do with me saying they have lousy moderating staff. @Poetic. You should visit pa megans law home page and review PA state law regarding things of this nature. From what his lawyer informed him, posting a link or advertising a specific offender is equal to harassment. Should have checked before you posted. And unfortunately you posted on someone elses hub who did not yet remove the content. Bringing them into it with you. You drag other people down in your own attempt to hide under a fake name. Dont harass me about my persona if you your self are not spotless. There is a fine line between internet fun and illegal harassment. And some have crossed that line running.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Preach it Hollie.


epsonok0 3 years ago

Your bait will be brushed aside as HP staff routinely record all email transactions. Your experience is negligible at best. Most parole agents advocate the successful reintegration of offenders, your counter opinion suggests that you did not do well enough at your job to make any differences. My insistence that you participated was based upon the forum thread where you and some of your fellow hubbers acted. Not on anything tangible. You have not broken any laws so your concern about calls being made is suspect in itself.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Good for Hp staff. I haven't emailed anyone here for months and months. I'm not a parole agent, nor have I ever been, I was a Probation Officer. Our role is/was to protect the public and reduce offending. I don't have a counter position to your hub because it's shyte, there is no counter position because you have not offered a logical position/debate. You're clearly an idiot.

I have not broken any laws. Duh! No, but you have! Have a good long think about it. Your retraction is suspect in itself. I might not receive any calls, but will you?


epsonok0 3 years ago

Perhaps his past is his past. And he is not concerned with how others feel about it. Dont you think its better of him to have come here under a real name than a fake one? You posting his name and further links only adds fire to the list. The poor hubber you are acting on their hub here will be linked to this. I was told if I deleted my hubs I could use them elsewhere. That needs clarified. I decided to move to squido or elsewhere. That other hubber was asked by his lawyer to close his account here to avoid problems with the legal process in regards to slander and harassment. You must know that you are posting links to someones name and address. And that is sufficient reason by HP to close your account.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

HP can track IP address of mail sent to you through the contact form, so they will know if you actually received any messages, and if they actually came from yourself so that you could fake evidence of some harassment claim.

Good luck on your latest writing endeavor. Squidoo has 0 writing standards, so your 5th/6th-grade level English will not be a problem.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

Posting a link to his sex offender page is not harassment, intimidation or a threat. No one is suggesting anyone harass or bother him, or take any action. It is simply a link and nothing else, posted for our information.


epsonok0 3 years ago

@poetic Apparently HP has equal standards as you have 25 featured pieces of garbage. The emails came from offsite. And frankly me spending any more time around a bunch of losers is well, dumb of my is the best word a 6th grade level, person can come up with. I encourage you to have fun in your pursuit of other places to write. I think HP will be very busy tomorrow.

for izy and smart and fun please refer to HP terms of service about posting someones name and address. Just please dont be too hard on your self for not reading that first.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

They must be terribly busy just now or they would have completed closing your account by now.

I didn't post anyone's name and address. I posted a link to it, that's all.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

All the Hubs are gone. But it looks like he's the one who deleted them, not HP. You get a 404 error, not 'this author is banned.'


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

His address was not posted here on HP. It was posted by the state of Pennsylvania on their sex offender notification site.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

There's no private messaging system here, so the email addys are of course off-site, Gmail, Yahoo, etc. Your email address is hidden to the sender, but as they are sent through the system here, they HP will know the contents and origins of the messages.

If people sent you email outside this system, they would have to have your email addy for that, which is not posted on your profile. So that sounds like you are faking messages to yourself.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Izzy, don't worry about it! :)


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I do enjoy a good online fight. However, tonight I will heed George Carlin's advice about arguing with idiots and go to sleep. Goodnight poisonous clickers.


epsonok0 3 years ago

oh, HP is closing my account. In 7 days unless you can provide any evidence that supports that you didnot violate our terms of serivce we will be closing your account. "Your right to post in the forums has been terminated".

Here for general information is a few terms of service violations found here tonight.

Publish Hubs or Hub or Author Content that include any content or links that are pornographic, defamatory, libelous, tortuous, vulgar, obscene, invasive of privacy, racially or ethnically objectionable, hateful, promotes or provides instructional information about illegal activities, promotes any act of cruelty to animals, or is otherwise offensive.

Link to pages or sites that are unrelated to the topic and content of Your Hub.

Harass, threaten or intimidate Authors or others who use the Service.

I think that they speak for themselves. LOL Irony is the word you seek. Public information or not, you all that posted links and the hubber that this hub belongs to, are in violation.

For god sakes, read the TOS before you act all crazy and link stuff.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I've been so good for months and months, abstaining from arguments with idiots. Tonight however, I have emerged as the idiot because of my engagement!

'night aa :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@WA, I don't know if you've been watching 'The Indian Doctor' daytime drama on BBC, but a line it in made me laugh. Local grocery shop selling South African oranges. Fellow commented "Why stock foreign goods... what's up with Welsh oranges?" Made me laugh anyhow!


epsonok0 3 years ago

One thing I can not think makes any sense is that writer fox posted a link to my pinterest page, yes It was deleted. And then I got a HP violation for promotional link posting. Which is my second violation, the first was for putting that psychologist in her place for saying that HP loves boot licking and snitching. Go figure. Maybe that is why this site is no longer ideal for writers.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

The cache to your Pinterest page is still on Google. Maybe you should have that removed, too. Then, you could try writing on Bubblews.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Men liking men is not perversion, it is an alternative sexuality. Only perverse if men liking boys, I have to say.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

My last comment swallowed. Pervs save pictures of children, not adults. Men and men is not power and control relationship, men and boys is quite the reverse.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Another ordinary day around the hood, eh Poisonous ones? lol!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

I have cleared a bunch of comments to get my page back on track, leaving PoeticFailosophy and HollieT in place but permanently deleting all the recent others. Thanks for your contributions but I wasn't prepared to leave a further eight JB comments and in deleting them there were some other casualties.

Thanks again. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I read your hub with interest, LTM, but chose not to comment because there are strict gun laws in the UK too, and anyway I am not much interested in guns.It was a super hub, by the way!

Comments are good for hubs because they introduce more keywords that can bring more searchers. In this regard, I tend to see comments as useful. An inflammatory comment can be worth its weight in gold if it actually discusses the hub content. I'd rather have one of those than the 'great hub' comments that add zilch! Of course, I don't need to reply.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

So I am rather confused with the whole peso (sorry gave up arguing with spell checker) thing yesterday. Most of it happened when I was away. Do we know why HP have chucked him out? Where did WF post a pinterest page of sexy men? Do we know why HP deleted all his hubs, but has not banned him?


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I don't think they have banned him aa, I believe that he wrote the message himself and deleted his hubs (check out his profile page) I think WF posted the Pinterest page on the forums.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

That episode is on the Forum thread 'Do Joke Accounts Make HP Look Bad.'


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ok thanks. That's what I thought was weird, in my experience HP just bans people, there is no prolonged "process" of being removed. Just more attention seeking, I guess. Strange because he was on HP for 6 months, and presumably quiet, now suddenly all the desperate attention seeking. I wonder if he's going through some kind of a crisis?

Ok, off to check out the men on pinterst.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

He wasn't new - he was a sockpuppet, possibly for a certain person who thinks he is a poet, who is possibly yet another sock of someone else. The poor spelling gives it away every time.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

His profile now says "This account is in the process of being closed by HP staff.

Yes, I wrote this, and yes, I am closing it preemptively ahead of a full ban. In the future, Try not to express your min on this website, you will be punished by its owners and operators."

I will try really hard not to express my MIN, whatever that is!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Possibly, he did appear to want to threaten people and start fights without any real provocation. Maybe he's a bit paranoid. In the forums I just responded, initially, by trying to explain why I thought PF had started the parody account, I wasn't rude to him. Then I just asked here if it was PF messing about, he really seemed to take offence by that. Jeez, if he thought that was out of order he should try me on a bad day.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Oh and I just read of Will Ass'es completely unprovoked and uncalled-for attack on a very good friend of mine. Sitting on my hands is probably the best way of dealing with it, but if Marisa reads this, you have my full support even though I have not posted anything to that effect.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

The post where wilaps says that it was her who turned him from a newbie helper to the nasty person he is today because she used to disagree with him on the forums? I saw that a few days ago.

As to epso, I didn't notice his bad spelling until a few days ago, not to say that it wasn't there to begin with, but it seems to me to have deteriorated suddenly. You think he is ha-ha's sock puppet?


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Hi IzzyM. Thanks for your feedback. I thought about leaving the new outburst but it just seemed pointless. I don't want to encourage him. If he isn't adopting a persona to execute a marketing strategy, his approach is even more bizarre.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Hollie, I appreciate your input there as well. Thanks.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Your welcome LTM. I have also had run ins with the person in the past and received a forum ban for my efforts!


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@aa, yes and yes


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

I have just responded again to a very nice man from the UK who has written 17 comments on one of my hubs over the past few months, giving me medical updates about his broken ankle, asking questions and sharing his experience.

It is an absolute joy to interact with a person who writes intelligently and expresses frustration without venom. I'm sure other readers will gain from his input. They're the kinds of comments we need on hubs. Not self-indulgent repetition.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

OK, OK, the stress if killing me! I admit it! I am epsonok0, Poetic Failosophy, Poetic Philosophy, Pedophilosophy, PantyPhrillosophy, Randy Godwin, Writer Fox, Will Asp, Beth37, Marisa Wright, ParadigmSearch, WildOats, Simey, HopeAlexander and Cheap Trick! Gaaah! It is killing me to keep up all these personas and it feels exhilarating to out myself! I will now retreat to my favorite Pinterest page for a little stress relief.


epsonok0 3 years ago

Have lost my appeal to HP staff. Like smoke I will drift away. See you all. You all realy have interesting lives. I mean, wow! You just have such stupid lives that you spend time on here picking on people. WOW! I will not reveal who I was, or who was close enough to being correct. Or if prehaps I am on here elsewhere. Maybe I will never go away. Who knows. Maybe all accounts in discussion are just fakes designed to throw you off. Who cares? Good by and Be well. LOL


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Who was that masked man, anyway? Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

What appeal, epso? Your forum ban?


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Muttface 3 years ago from Portugal

Please reveal who you are!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I wonder how many bags of popcorn HP staff consumed yesterday...


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Esonoko is such a poor, poor victim.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Wow! It looks like Arafat was poisoned letvinenko style with polonium (Marie Curie's first discovery, incidentally, named after Poland).

You know when my father et al, said "of course, he was poisoned, everybody knows this", many years ago, I thought this was Palestinian paranoia. It turns out I was wrong.

The big question is, why have they only dug him out and tested recently. Wouldn't this be something you'd expect them to do right after he died. Or even when he was still live, but sick?

Anyway, sorry to interrupt the huge epso story. Carry on.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Ah, so they have been able to verify that he was poisoned? I have no idea why they waited so long, and now they have the information what will they do with it?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

The Poisonous Clique does indeed strike again! Sorta prophetic, eh? lol!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Indeed Randy, we're actually becoming quite famous! Although there's no way that they could pin Arafat on us! :D


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I am 99% sure I know who he is/was. But that Pinterest page blew me away. So I'm not naming names.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Our new motto "Poisoning the world into a better place." Proud of you guys! :P


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Wow, drama! Won't be on much. Have huge job for next few days. On top of that, another client just phoned with an urgent job for tomorrow. He sweetened it by offering a 50% surcharge, so I couldn't say no!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You'll have to be especially venomous when you get back to make up for your absence, WA. Earn them big bucks when you get the chance!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I think Arafat was being poloniumed pre-HP, and definitely pre-our joining, so yep we are definitely innocent of that. Only reason I can think of for them waiting so long was that the info. would have been a lot more significant at the time.

On the other hand, if they'd waited a wee bit longer, it wouldn't have been detectable anymore. Looks like different trends were battling it out, and arrived at this compromise.

There is actually very little info. about the whole thing. It's like journalists aren't curious about the details? My fault of course for getting my news from the BBC.

I've noticed this a lot about the way news is being presented in little bits, that are not connected at all. Look at the unite/labour falkirk scandal. First there was some big scandal. Then we were told (it seems to me) that the investigation didn't reveal any wrong doing. Now apparently there is a scandal again. Perhaps I just haven't been following it closely enough but if there was a careful explanation about what happened, I must have missed it.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I think there may be something about Arafat on the front page of the Indy, I noticed a picture of someone who looked like Arafat but hadn't heard your news then so didn't read it (header on twitter)

I've really not been following the Falkirk scandal because it just stinks of the right wing press demonising the unions again- so very 1980's.

I've been chilling a bit this week, I have worked but not much. Basically because I've been on a Marathon writing spree the last few weeks and have had loads of work (I didn't even have the time to whinge about how much work I had, which is so unlike me) Go for it WA, all pennies for the coffers.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Arafat's widow Suha, who commissioned the autopsy, said that her husband had many enemies and believed that he was poisoned by someone in his close circle who slipped the Polonium into his tea or coffee. "Someone near him must have given him this, somebody in his entourage" she said in an interview this week.

An eBook was written about the murder of Arafat by two British journalists based in Jerusalem. Matt Rees, one of the authors, says he was murdered by someone within the Palestinian leadership and who remains in leadership now. The book details how people who had real access to Arafat pushed out some of his trusted medical advisers, wouldn't allow his Jordanian doctor to visit him, and pushed out the body guard who had protected him for years and years. Right after Arafat's death, all of his medical bottles and medicines were taken away by someone in the Palestinian leadership.

Here is a video interview with one of the authors from January, 2013:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rzlga93k2g

You can get the eBook here:

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Yasser-Arafat-DeltaFo...


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Well, I purdied up my main website and relevant hubs re: Thanksgiving. Only 3 weeks away. That holiday is going to be come and gone before we know it.


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EmpressFelicity 3 years ago from Kent, England, UK

"There is actually very little info. about the whole thing. It's like journalists aren't curious about the details? My fault of course for getting my news from the BBC."

Come over to the dark side aa, and watch a bit of RT. They actually have proper interviews there. Sophie Shevardnadze on SophieCo is a good one.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I really like RT! I also enjoy Cross Talk (and Max Keiser, of course) when I get the opportunity to watch it. I think Peter Levell (unsure of the spelling) seems like a lovely bloke.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Unless you speak Arabic, Yasser Arafat is very much in the 'nobody-cares' department.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

We're back in business! :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Thanks to HP for republishing this one. :)


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I never even noticed this one had gone offline! Having problems with Mother again :(

Went through my Dad's stash of medication tonight looking for Amytriptyline to see if he had any (read somewhere it was effective for nerve pain). There was none, but I did find some co proxamol which I hadn't tried before. Man it works! I am almost pain-free right now, and that is the best I have been in months! Then read online it was removed from the list of permitted medications in the UK in 2005 because some idiots were fatally overdosing on them. How typical is that! This is the only painkiller I have found that actually helps. The TENS machine helped the localised pain, but brought the sciatica screaming back! I might have to go back to the doctor and ask for an MRI scan to find out what is going on. The authorities will just have to look after mum for me if I have to go into hospital.

11pm and she has just got up and dressed again :(


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Isn't that always the way things turn out, Izzy? You find something that works and they take it off the market because some idiots OD on it. Do what you have to do to rid yourself of the pain.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

The Falkirk/Unite thing flares up in the Scottish news every few days. Storm in a teacup, if you ask me. Don't tell me the Unions didn't always have a hand in picking the Labour candidates. That's the only thing I hated about Union membership. I did not want to give the Labour Party money but the two go hand-in-hand.

I am much more concerned about the whole ship-building industry story.

Just like the English government rushed through the sell-off of the Post Office, which will hit an independent Scotland hardest, the shake-up in the ship-building industry was also politically motivated.

Portsmouth is to close with the loss of over 900 jobs. Their yard will still stay open to undertake ship repairs and re-fitting, but the actual ship-building will stop sometime next year.

The two Clyde shipyards in Scotland are to stay open, but over 800 jobs will go. Both yards only have contracts for Naval ships. Everyone else goes to China or somewhere for cheaper ships.

Next year is the big vote on Independence. If Scotland votes no, they will then be awarded a massive contract to build several Type 26 frigates for the Navy. If they vote yes, they cannot be awarded the contract as they will no longer be a UK yard.

Who will build them? Portsmouth, no doubt, as their shipyard will not have been de-commissioned by then, despite claims to the contrary.

If that is not an English government attempt to persuade the people of Scotland to vote 'no' against Independence, I don't know what is. Thousands of livelihoods depend on those contracts.

The Portsmouth people are right - were it not for the upcoming Scottish vote, the contracts would have been theirs and the Scottish yards would have been shut. Every time in modern history a major industry has closed down, the Scottish contingent were the first out the door. Remember the words of the Proclaimers 'Letter from America' as they mention a lot of places devastated by the loss of the heavy industries.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes, and the people are played like a chess game. Those of us pawns, I mean.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

We are all pawns in someone's game :(


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

And I hear on the news that Israel is getting the blame for Arafat's polonium murder. No surprise there. I doubt if it is them, all the same.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Sorry Randy and everyone else. I didn't think posting a link to a public record site was a problem.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

I got the impression that it was not the link, but the personal attack. It was maybe my posts? No matter because all is well again and we are all still here to continue being poisonous :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

No biggie, PF. Everything's fine now.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Glad this Hub is back up, Randy. I thought it might be because of the Arafat links I posted. Speaking of that:

Israel would never hand over radioactive material to someone in the Palestinian leadership. There are plenty of ways to kill someone and that isn't how the Mossad operates. It is, however, how Russia has killed people in the past. Israel could have killed Arafat at anytime and wouldn't have waited until he was in France to do it. The motive was money. Suha took $30 million in funds with her to Paris – funds meant to help the poor, struggling Palestinian people – and money was funneled to her private bank account in France everyday. She knows it was an inside job and she knows why.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Here's hoping for a peaceful next few days.


ever present ok and 0 3 years ago

One snake can poison the many. Never a hard feeling, never personal, never gone. Like smoke on the wind. Drifting. My memory preserved in the minds of all. Remember harry potter. Voldemort never really went away. Stay poisonous you crazy a holes.e


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

LOL, this dude is priceless.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

I remember when he first started out here. He was open, honest, sincere, eager to contribute. But certain hubbers (not any of us) just kept sniping at him. Over and over and over again. Finally things started to deteriorate. I don't even know how our group got dragged into it. He didn't start it. We didn't start it. It was those that continually just kept sniping at him at the beginning that brought this whole fiasco about. I think I shall depart for awhile. I need a break anyway.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I used to work in Portsmouth. I think you are completely right, Izzy about it being used to manipulate the independence vote.

I never had much time for Arafat, for a long time his one big skill was that he survived. Even less time for his wife, sort of a Palestinian Imelda Marcos, in my mind.

The whole thing is very weird. What mostly struck me was that I dismissed all the Palestinians I know saying that it was obvious that he was poisoned, yet it looks like he was. He didn't actually fall ill when he was in France, he became ill in Ramallah, then was moved to France for medical care.

I also find it very weird that the French didn't investigate at the time. As the independent pointed out, they had no interest in concealing the truth, at that time apparently French-Israeli relationships were not good.

The only thing that comes to mind is that they needed Suha's permission to do an autopsy, and she was bribed not to allow it.

Arafat might be irrelevant now. But at the time of his death, if it emerged that he was poisoned, it would have been of interest.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Murder is murder and should be thoroughly investigated, every time. I was sickened to watch the stills and sound from a video shot by some British soldiers who are now facing a court martial. They came across an injured Iraqi and killed him instead of helping him. I've seen videos of US soldiers doing the same sort of thing. Just because they do that to our soldiers does not give us the right to do the same. Two wrongs do not make a right. I couldn't stand Arafat but that does not give anyone the right to murder him and his death should be thoroughly investigated, if that is possible.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

@Para, I totally agree with your comment. A lot of people here (not us) were really down on epso in the forums, when he did seem to be genuinely trying to contribute in a useful way. It is not surprising he turned. He just picked on the wrong people.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Going to France to play with the chiddlers tomorrow. I really need to buy a printer. Need to go on an expedition every time I have to have my boarding pass printed.

Getting really fed up with that translation agency who were "testing me". Had to do the same walk to get my diplomas and their stupid form scanned as well.

I didn't pay too much attention to what was happening to peso in the forums, but my impression was that he seemed pretty normal to start with, and then seemed to go off the deep end.

I don't mind being picked on online, as long as it is done in an interesting way, (and doesn't devolve into stalking obviously). However, his constant "legal" threats were tedious and his attempts to attract attention pathetic.

Also he just couldn't make up his mind what he thought about PF. One minute he seemed to like him, the next minute he was starting forum threads about the bullying we poisonous ones do.

Or maybe his account was hacked, and the recent peso is not the same person?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

If you are going to buy a printer, aa, I strongly suggest you look at the prices of the replacement cartridges first, and base your choice on the cheapest options, even if you have a pay a bit more for the printer itself. Don't even look at the cheap re-filled cartridges, because they don't actually work with many modern day printers because the manufacturers add coding to stop the printers from recognising anything other than the genuine product.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

Printers and ink are such a racket. They've got you where they want you, and they know it.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks Izzy and F&S. I know, they sell the printers cheap, and then the ink is one of the most expensive liquids on earth.

I don't think I would be using it much. I just occasionally need to print a boarding pass etc. I know they now do boarding passes on iPhones, which sound incredibly convenient and cool. However, what if something goes wrong and it doesn't work? These companies charge you extortionate rates to print a boarding pass at the airport.


E to the ep to the so to the K. 3 years ago

Very good theory aa about hacking.

Though the problem was fixed easily by deleting the entire account.

That way, the hacks couldnot compete. They could not reach my inbox and rescind the delete. I have a bit of a gift for the hen house. In 1 hour I will post a singular URL. Call it, my way to repay, for whatever it was that happened. I have tried to put together the pieces over the last few days.

The URL is not a virus or bad thing. And mr Godwin should do well to leave up only long enough for all the hens to escape through. It is a hen house without rules. Without restrictions. A hen house you all deserve.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Code 5150


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

LOL wf, I had to look up a code 5150! Brilliant! Must remember it!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

@smoke e, there comes a time in life where you need to move on- perhaps this is one of them.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

My little Canon Pixma combined printer/scanner does me well. I bought to replace an older model that finally died. I use it to print the occasional page.

I do also have an Epson colour laser printer, which is wonderful when I need to print loads of stuff in one go. However, while the cost per page may be economical, the price of laser toner cartridges is scary. It costs me more than £200 to replace all of them at once.

As for forms sent by agencies, I print them all to pdf, and then I edit the pdf. Even the free Nitro Reader software (which I use instead of Adobe), lets me type text onto pdfs and also lets me insert a scanned image of my signature. As a result, I haven't had to print and snail mail a form to any agency for more than five years!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I refill my laser printer ink cartridges using a kit sold online or found at some stores in the area. The color is not bad and is cheap as heck.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Thanks WA, I've just returned from getting my boarding pass printed, it was pissing down with rain, so I took the bus, but still got soaked. Now I should be packing and cleaning but I'm sitting feeling sorry for myself.

I've written some hubs about printers so I should take my own advice and buy a printer. Never had this problem when I was working. Nobody thought twice about using the work printers and scanners for personal stuff.

That bloody agency was absolutely insistent I needed to print the form, sign it, scan it and upload it. They were very specific that they didn't like electronic signatures. I do have my signature scanned in, and was going to paste it, but then got paranoid. I mean I'm pretty pretty sure they couldn't find out if I saved the document as a PDF, but paranoia took over.

But my current disenchantment comes from the fact that I did this way OTT "test" almost 2 weeks ago, and have not heard anything back from them. I guess I could email this guy, but I'm scared. No news is better than bad news.

Going to France tomorrow, will deal with this when I am back.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I've started drawing a peacock and not only can I not get the proportions of its head right, its starting to resemble a cassowary. If it doesn't take shape I'll just says it's a cassowary.

Enjoy France aa. When are you back?


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

what's the name of the kit you buy, Randy?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Back on Mon the 18th. Just skyped my sister, my nephew couldn't understand why I wasn't on the plane yet.

I think Hollie has a whole hub on refilling ink cartridges.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

No particular brand, PF. One of these on this page should do.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=pri...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

This is the one I used last time and the colors seem to be great.

http://www.amazon.com/ND-Printer-Cartridge-Photosm...


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

@PF HollieT has a very worthy hub on the subject. http://hubpages.com/technology/Can-Ink-Cartridges-...


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

So she has! I commented on it but forgot about it. Hollie needs to learn to toot her own horn when she has the opportunity. :P


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Hey, I'm tooting! :D

aa, I bet he keeps asking your sister "will she be here soon? only in French, of course.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

God I'm bored tonight and now my peacock no longer resembles a Cassowary but a pheasant. It looks look some kind of hybrid; a peasant!


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Had to take the kids toys out of their boxes to fit em in my bag. Taking this opportunity to have a go with the rc helicopter. Charging it now, but it should be ready soon.

I suspect my brother in law will enjoy it.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

He will, aa! I've got several of them. A few are torn up, of course. :o


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Your poor nephew will probably get nowhere near, you and your brother-in-law will, I suspect, have a great time with it. Wish I was a kid again and I had an aunty who spoilt me. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Me too Hollie, I have to buy all of my own toys nowadays. I also build and fly gas powered RC control airplanes with 6' wingspans occasionally. Crash them too!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

My spam filter just picked out an unsavory remark by the recently banned troll directed to one of you ladies. Naturally I deleted it. I hope you guys didn't join the forum he/she linked earlier. Sounds like a trap of some sort. Do you guys think I should remove the link, or let it remain?


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I removed the link because we have no control over what the person will put on the forum. Too risky to let it remain I think. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Your decision Randy, I haven't joined- but I'll bet any money the unsavory remark was aimed at me. All quite odd really, before I made the remark about who he might be, I'd not come across him before.


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Muttface 3 years ago from Portugal

I went and had a nosey. There are only 2 comments there, both from herself. One links back to this hub and the other describes HP as communist and f-ing retarded.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

You'd win the wager, Hollie. What a creep whatever it is.

@Muttface--Thanks for telling me what was there as I couldn't get to the posts for some reason. The kink....er....link is gone now.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Is it a herself or himself though MF? I only noticed this person in the forums when he/she started the making fun thread the other day. I noticed that PDS said that he/she had been picked on in the forums. I'd not seen any of those threads.

Thought so Randy. In fairness, I wasn't very pleasant to him/ her, it just pissed me off a bit when it took offence to my suggestion that it might be PF messing around. I mean, would you really take offence by such a comment? Then in the forums talking about clucking to loudly- then subtly trying to to threaten me about my "participation"

So yeah, I rounded on him/her.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Also, have to ask because the curiosity is killing me, what did he say?


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Damn that toy is hard to fly! But it is amazing. I packed it b4 I had a chance to break it.

My overall impression was that important medication had been stopped suddenly. I mean why would anybody pay so much attention to a bunch of snake being poisonous together.

I'm half packed, but there is still a lot of cleaning to be done. My gecko sitter is Japanese, therefore very clean (sorry for the racial stereotyping, but he said it himself). I think he's horrified anyway, but I can at least make an attempt to remove the worst and most obvious dirt.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

It can't be that unclean aa, you always seem to do a big clean when your cousin's coming over and there's only you and the geckos there. I mean, they don't malt or tread in mucky paws. Plus, in terms of dust, there's only your skin cells. I'm pretty sure that I'm shedding skin cells at the rate of knots. My house is really, really dusty.

Which reminds me, my house is looking like a building site and my, what was once a very nice cream coloured rug, is a dirty almost tan colour. Need to get the bicarb out and give a once over!

Medication, or past hostilities? You can really upset people on this site without realising that you have.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

It was uncomplimentary comment about your weight, Hollie. A childish sort of insult and it fit with its personae. I deleted it before it was approved as it was in the spam folder. Like I said, childish!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Quite funny really, I'm 8 stone! ROTF! Sounds like little eppie is a little misogynist Randy. If you can't nail her looks ( he has a little snapshot) her parents, her background or her sexual history- aim for her weight! Classic. And now the question is, does he love me or hate me. (j/k)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Hey, folks. Think about it. Who else around here is absolutely, positively famous for going nuclear every time they are even slightly criticized? It is not PF. I am starting to lose my sympathy for the person I am pretty sure it is. No one picks on my Hollie! :D


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Ahh PDS, :) I know who you think it might be but I disagree (I'm not saying it is PF either, just to be clear) Take a look at this:

"A good friend of mine. He made a hub account 6 months ago, followed me then promptly abandoned coming here. I have been on him all the time to write a hub but he never does. This is the most likely scenario, But there are in my opinion some who can make ghost accounts that serve to spy into hub pages. Following one person may be a way to hint hint and wink wink. Beth and I both remember a guy who was like that, then one day he came into my forum thread and blasted it with a very long and strange series of html code lines. After a while he vanished and his account with him. Of course I reported him because I recognized two of those HTML commands as spyware auto download links and thank heavens HP staff have the smarts to disable HTML but he followed me for about a week and then stopped. It was so strange. Generally those that do this sort of thing are best left un visited and maybe even reported for safe measure."

This was little eppie, of course.

On reflection, do you believe that the person that you think it is could recognise spyware, or how to download it? Perhaps little eppie is the sock of a much more intelligent person. Perhaps ha ha man is too, but in the case of the latter, I doubt it.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

You read my mind, Izzy.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Well, Holly, it seems PP has been angry with you since the eight (count 'em!) pages of this forum thread:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/115410

He seems to bear grudges. It was on that forum thread, six weeks ago, that our resident MTurker Hubber explained that there is a creative writing category for parodies that easily passes through QAP, even with grammar/spelling errors.

So, what to our wondering eyes should appear exactly six weeks ago: a new Hubber, Mr. PF, who writes – you guessed it – parodies! And not only does PF follow most of the commenters on here on Randy's Hub, but he also follows these Hubbers who have no Hubs:

dumb-ass

getabiggerbutt

fart-in-the-dark

fartingweasel

babutt.hubpages

maryfrancisbutt

dong.hubpages

ilikefarts

butthole

fart

devil-worshipper

assed

fakeassbigfoot

buttbandit

(You'll have to hurry to verify this list of people he/she/whoever follows on the Profile before they are unfollowed. He is known to make things disappear.)

And to get a little more attention, he likes to invent more users, that are parodies of himself.

His last Hub is 'Interview With a Ceks Offender' and the last comment he made was on someone else's Hub, 'Sexual Predator Offender Registries' – his was the first comment in two years on that one.

Did you know that some people who are under house arrest and wear those little ankle bracelets are still allowed to use a computer?

(This entire comment is a parody under the Creative Writing Topic.)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

@HollieT I went and looked over my suspect's FB page. I agree that the psychological profile doesn't match. OK. I'll knock the odds down from 99% to 50:50. lol

While writing the above I saw yours and Izzy's mention of the FA link. Looks like the adventure continues... ROFL.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Forgot this in my post above. This is the other forum thread with the dynamic duo from 6 weeks ago before the invention of PF:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/117361


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

LOL writerfox, I can't follow your conspiracy theories, but I am not PPhil or Epson. As for those ghost accounts that I follow, that's part of the joke, to point out another overlooked area of the site. Staff was better about cleaning those up before, now they just moulder. I follow them because it's funny.

If you need a little hint as to who I am, I refer you to my previous banned parody accounts:

http://hubpages.com/@worst-of-hp

http://hubpages.com/@tussin

"I" don't last very long.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

I really don't think PF is peso. As PDS put it, the psychological profile doesn't match. PF is funny if obscene. He reminds me of worst of, but is even funnier. Epso, evokes the "walk away slowly, avoiding eye contact" response.

I also don't think peso is PP. Actually there isn't anybody on HP that reminds me of them, but I don't know as many people here as the others do.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Ha! PF must have posted while I was writing my comment. tussin sounds vaguely familiar.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

I don't know who is who or really care, because I enjoy the entertainment and don't want it to end -- but I do think that WriterFox is way off with his conspiracy theory. I was so disappointed when Tussin was banned, because I laughed my aspe of at his comments every night. There was one forum thread where it seemed like a writer was all but admitting to being PoeticPhil, but who knows. Maybe he was just joking.


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

Lordy, epson is on a roll and now spamming my hubs with that henhouse forum he created. I deleted them and marked them as spam, that way HP will block his IP from leaving more unlogged in comments.

If anyone wants to see the dossiers he created on various hubbers, its thehenhouse dot freeforums dot org. He made a file on Wrylilt, HollieT, SmartAndFun, and PoeticFailosophy.

By the way WriterFaux/Wilaps -- whichever persona you are favoring at the moment -- you should have noticed that those ghost accounts I follow were all created years ago. I guess you will credit that to me in the past, planning for a big troll years into the future, LOL. I'm also D.B. Cooper and the Lindbergh baby. But then you already figured that out too.

There used to be ghost user called "sex." If you followed it, the pop-up message said "Congratulations, you are now following sex! Tell the world why you like sex!" Tussin posted it on the forum and then "sex" got about 20 new followers before HP management deleted the user permanently.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Hmmm, I want to see the dossiers, but I think it is wrong to feed his instability by showing any interest.

Just woke up from a strange dream in which terrorists and bombs were raining out of the sky on the horizon. Absolutely nothing to do with the rest of it.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Please guys don't dignify the ramblings with posting anything on their. It is always best to leave these people to talk to themselves.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

The dossiers are very short. Hollie apparently you like drawing attention to yourself, and you like to make people feel that you are important.

Can't even remember what it said about S&F. I think that you were a hubber of 7 years.

The most poisonous is about rylitl who is apparently an insufferable b****.

Other than that didn't see anything of note.

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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

I think one of them killed Arafat.


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Will Apse 3 years ago

I just wasted ten minutes of my life reading some of this stuff....

lol. I won't be doing it again.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Congratulations, Willy. You're now a level one commenter instead of a level ten lurker.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Come on guys, you have to see the funny side when it comes to a bloke who accuses others of attention seeking and then proceeds to open forums and spam us with links to his comments and ramblings. Priceless.

I think aa is right, however, we're just feeding his delusions if we give him any further attention.

It's raining cats and dogs here, we've also had hailstones the size of golf balls (slight exaggeration, maybe a little smaller)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Aw come on Wee Willy, you know you can't resist reading! LOL!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Didn't wee Willy say something similar a few weeks ago? When we very politely pointed it out that he could always avoid us- it's really easy.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

(He'll be back.)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Wee Willy must've not had anyone else to insult this morning. I feel so bad he wasted his valuable time here. :P


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

He'll get over it, Randy.

In other news my daughter has decided to see college through to the end of the academic year, at which point she'll either switch to A levels or complete her current course. In the meantime she has been putting her CVs out and trying to get a Saturday job- and has been offered two!!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Good for her, and for you, Hollie!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Thanks Randy. Both jobs are seasonal but there's a possibility that she may get more work after Christmas. She's been offered a job at Bank (a clothes shop) and JD Sports. She didn't particularly like the staff at JD but the pay is better and she gets free trainers ( as part of the uniform I expect) so she's taking the job at JD. The trainers clinched the deal!


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

So..., what's new all? I'm done with my industriousness for the day and have entered slacker mode for the remainder. Nothing exciting to report other than having a general sense of happiness and well-being. I hope everyone is the same.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Well, don't bogart that.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes indeed, I'll take a toke of that too! :)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Careful, guys. We don't want HP getting overly excited again. lol

In all seriousness, I am big on nutrition and am trying to figure out which nutritional item is responsible for this. My top suspect is all the omega-3 foods I have been having lately.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

10:40 pm here and I've just finished one job and am about to start another. Deadlines are pressing. However, I did take the morning off to go to a harp tune club over the mountain in Merthyr Tudful and stayed on a while after to do a bit of shopping, since I had a free parking ticket.

After two years, I finally solved the problem of getting my harp to a suitable height for comfortable playing. I could have ordered bespoke legs for £175 or a bespoke plinth for £150 but was too cheap to do that. I suddenly realised the solution had been staring me in the face: the cat scratching post fixed onto a hiding box, in which none of them ever hid. I removed the scratching post part, and lo and behold, a perfectly sized plinth including a made to measure cushion to stop slippage. I did buy the creatures a new scratching post sans hidey box, which cost me all of £13!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Send some of your heavy rain over my way, HollieT. There's a couple of nearby bushfires that could do with it. We have rain clouds this morning but no rain yet.

Good news about your daughter. :)


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Necessity is the mother......


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Necessity is the mother......


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

lol. Are there enough people with harps to make a fortune out of marketing your innovation, WriteAngled?


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

No rain at the moment LTM, it was at at lunchtime just after hailstone. I walked out of the shop and it just pummeled down, it actually hurt. Yep, thanks, good news about daughter's job and will keep her out of mischief on a Saturday.

My central heating isn't working and it's freezing. Think I need to bleed the radiators because they're only getting luke warm. Bloody hell, more money if bleeding them doesn't work!


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

Pitch a little tent inside your house, Holly and get ready to sleep in it. That's what I did in Scotland when the central heating took a week to fix. I remember wondering how on earth families had survived inside those cold stone walls before the invention of central heating.

http://hub.me/afd2k


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

This thread got me to do some unplanned research. Stay tuned...


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

What a brilliant idea! Fortunately I have an electric fire in the sitting room so I'm not cold when in there, it's the rest of the house that is freezing. I lived in a stone cottage when I lived in Wales. We had economy 7 heating which was absolutely useless and even when it was on it was always cold.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Hollie, have you seen this? Heating a room for 8p a day with tea lights, loaf tin and ceramic pot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHqBcZqNzE


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Wow! I'm going to try that, especially in the kitchen as there's no heating in there anyway even when CH is working (too small for a radiator) Obviously it warms up when the oven is on but I don't want to keep the oven on for hours everyday. Thanks, WA.


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

Hollie, the chances are that the radiators just need bled. Fingers crossed anyway. Also, it is much cheaper to buy a portable gas fire although I wouldn't know where to buy calor gas bottles. Electric heaters cost a fortune to run unless you stick a pin in the meter LOL


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Cool nights, but temps in the 70's down here in the swamps of Georgia. Soon it will be time to build a fire in the kitchen hearth. I love a real fire. I think it's in the genes.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I think they do just need to be bled, Izzy. It's an electric fire in the front room which I never use because it's expensive and also noisy. Needs must at moment present. Wish I knew how to stick a pin the metre. Lol

I want a wood burner and they're not that expensive to buy, it's the installation which costs a fortune.

I love a real fire too, Randy. Can't beat em. :)


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Finished the happiness-research. Stuck the results in a hub of course. Tacked it right at the top, just below the video; says, "First, some quick, but important notes...." http://paradigmsearch.hubpages.com/hub/What-Is-Are...

Hollie, as for the heating problem, a couple ideas:

1. Space heaters are amazingly inexpensive (until you get the electric bill of course). Edit, saw your post. Forget item #1.

2. Just find yourself a nice, warm friend... :D


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

That's what people used to stare at before TV came along, Hollie. Building a fire is a southern thing as we go out on the farm by a lake or stream with plenty of beer and a bushel of oysters to roast on an old sheet of tin. Add hot sauce and saltines and what else could one wish for? :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

PDS, I have one sitting on my feet, she's furry and lovable to boot!

Randy, sounds like heaven. I can't imagine living where you live, with a stream or a lake nearby. Well, there's a stream not far from my house but it's full of rubbish and rat infested.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

We are indeed fortunate to live where we do. It's about five miles to the nearest town--if you can refer to the small community as such--and 12 miles to the closest city with any franchise restaurants or businesses. I like it just fine.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I'm hoping my retirement will include living in a little cottage in the Welsh countryside, by the mountains and with a dog or two! That is if I'm ever able to retire, the way things are going I'll be in my 80's.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I hope you get your wish, Hollie. Beth and I are enjoying our retirement so far. Of course, we are already accustomed to living in a wonderful part of the world. I still appreciate it though.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I'm pleased for you, Randy. Once I've gotten rid of the kids (you know what I mean) I'd like to move then, but then there's my mum and sister to consider. My mum's elderly and my sister is partially sighted, and has other conditions- so it's never going to be straight forward.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Yes, there's always family to keep things exciting it seems. Roll with the punches! :)


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Randy, Aalite, WriteAngled, ParadigmnS, LongTimeMother, Hollie T: There is a Hubber that just followed me and all of you in the past 2 hours. We are the only people the Hubber is following. Commenting on this Hub seems to be like playing a strange game of Clue.


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

That's my kind of hubber, Writer Fox. Hubs about metal detectors and geology kits as Xmas presents are very cool. Not much use to me because I already have two metal detectors and all the other gear I need. (BTW, Christmas Shopper, don't be disappointed that I'm already writing a hub about similar stuff. I haven't looked at your hubs and promise I won't - so there will be no copying.)

Nice to see a hubber with the good sense to follow interesting people and not just randomly follow everyone on HP.

Hello, Christmas Shopper. Drop us a line and introduce yourself. :)


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LongTimeMother 3 years ago from Australia

I watched that video, WriteAngled. It actually made good sense. Although I have to admit my favourite part was the comment about using plastic flower pots. lol.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

The follower is probably our neighborhood troll, WF. It seems to be determined. :)


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PoeticFailosophy 3 years ago from Cuzco, Peroo

he off-site forum of our sex offender connoisseur has been banned. I reported it yesterday; a bunch of others must have too that's why it went down so fast. I will not tolerate anyone creating dossiers on my SmartAndFunny friend!

Here's what the message says I shitte you not:

"Oops This bored is temporarily in the process of being complained about. Please use the other chiken coup."

"bored," "chiken," and "coup," that's the trifecta right there.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Good riddance I say! Thanks for reporting it.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

Awww shucks, PFail! How sweet. LOL, that psycho can compile a dossier on me if it wants to, especially since it only had one "fact" about me, which was wrong. I have not been on HP seven years. Is the site even that old? I only have one account. I am way too lazy and uninspired to handle more than one.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

LOL, there is a new "epsonoko" who just joined a few hours ago, and he/she/it already has one follower, who goes by the name of "go-away-epdonok0." http://epsonoko.hubpages.com/#followers


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

I don't even notice when I get new followers any more! Well, he'll be disappointed as I haven't written a hub for a long time and don't intend to do so unless things change dramatically.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

SAF: How did you find that new account?


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IzzyM 3 years ago from UK

You all know who Christmas Shopper is, even though you think you don't. Who else would follow all you good poisonous folks? It's not a troll account.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

So, who is the shopper? Is that you, Izzy?


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Christmas Shopper 3 years ago from the Milky Way

I've just posted! lol This is a perfectly innocent sales account that does quite well without any friends or followers, but could do with a little boost of interest in the run-up to Christmas. This is the first time it has posted I think, unless I did it accidentally last year.

PS Yes WF..now I'm going back to my usual place.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

Happy Holidays!


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

Ah, OK!


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I knew it was you, Izzy, when I saw the memory foam mattress and car camera. I recognised your mum's garden from the pics you'd posted at Bubbles. :)


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Also, I think it's a shame the off site forum has been closed. It was really funny, apparently my dossier was deleted because of a complaint and much crying and childishness. And Paul Edmonson was banned for attempting to use a stolen id/ ip address. I couldn't stop laughing.


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aa lite 3 years ago from London

Damn! I'm missing all the fun with the off site forum. I'm sure another one will rise in its place. Our friend Epso is unstoppable!

The weather in Grenoble is truly awful, Pissing with rain, cold and windy. But the kids are fantastic. My nephew really is getting the hang of flying the helicopter and my niece has decided I'm cool.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

Does your niece like her present, aa? The weather's usually crap in this country too so should feel like a home from home.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Happy Sunday, all.

Me thinks the new-week traffic upswing has already begun, even with Veterans' Day tomorrow.

Busily working on a new website. I am about to make a major corporation extremely unhappy... And with what I have learned about SEO and such during the last 4 years, I am determined to make that page show up on page one whenever someone enters that corporation's name.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Too beautiful to remain indoors here today. Setting up my ground blind for some animal photo ops or perhaps a fat doe for the freezer. We are over run with deer already and most of the hunters don't take their bag limit of 8, instead they are simply waiting for a trophy buck to appear. And the population only gets larger.

Still, more deer are killed by vehicles than hunters. I understand why some are against hunting, but theirs is not a realistic view if we wish to have animals actually remain in the wild. Hunters take the place of the now extinct predators which once controlled the animal population.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I'd much rather see hunting than the like of Tesco squeezing farmers who mass farm and send to abattoirs to meet the quotas. Even though I'm a vegetable (?) I think the argument for hunting is valid. Except when it comes to foxes. I like them.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

We did not design this reality. We just live in it. Killing for food is valid. Randy, send me some deer steak. I'll even pay for it.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

@WF I just happened to see a post they made in the forums.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118201#top


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

There's no way I'm posting there, I'm sick of being stalked by trolls and s-- off. I shyte you not!


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

Oh no, I wasn't suggesting anyone post. Just answering WF's question. I doubt it is even the original troll anyway, probably just a copycat.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

I expect so S & F


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

12-year-olds are rampant across the land. How to ascertain? Any adult can ascertain. Just requires stepping back. Is that the problem here, there, and everywhere? Yes. Who cares? No one. Why? Fact of life. In fact, knowledge can be gained from these adventures.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

Sorry Para, I must fill my freezer first! :P I love to make venison link sausage for throwing on the grill whenever I have something which takes hours to cook. Gotta have some snacks to eat with the beer till the main course is done. Also, the back straps are as delicious as a filet mignon.

Those who detest hunters should see an old deer whose teeth have all gone bad and dies a slow death from starvation or gets so weak it cannot outrun the coyotes or bobcats they encounter. Some deer are struck by automobiles and die a slow and painful death because of broken bones or internal injuries.

We didn't have any deer in the surrounding countryside until a group of hunters imported several railroad boxcars from Wisconsin and released them in the area in the 1950's. So you see, if not for the hunters we would have no deer at all.


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WriteAngled 3 years ago from Treorci, Cymru

If someone eats whatever they hunt or fish, then I do not have the right to protest for as long as I do not live a 100% vegan lifestyle.

I am however totally against hunting or fishing simply for entertainment, when the catch is abandoned or used as a trophy.


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Writer Fox 3 years ago from the wadi near the little river

. . . or a fox coat.


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HollieT 3 years ago from Manchester, United Kingdom

A lot of my being vegetarian isn't actually about the killing of animals. The food chain is important, I don't like seeing an owl eat little chicks but I accept it. I love wildlife programs and don't like seeing the baby gazelle eaten by a lioness but that's nature, this is design, it's how it should be and there are good reasons for it. If I were hungry and nothing else was available I'd eat meat and fish, absolutely no doubt about it.

My objection is the way these creatures are reared and slaughtered, with so much waste, for greedy corporations who care nought for any of us. They're changing the course of nature (arguably) for the absolute worst. I still live in the town I grew up in, a thriving little town with lots of shopkeepers, we were on first name terms with the owners. Now, we don't have a butchers or fishmongers, we have a Tesco, Sainsbury's and Morrisons. My abstention makes absolutely no difference in the scheme of things, but I'm loathe to give these barstands my money.

Which reminds me, I got my very first clip round the ear'ole because of a butcher who my mum knew well. Long story!


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia Author

I can attest to the horrible way some farm animals are reared and the poor conditions they live their short lives in. When we raised cattle and hogs for the market they were free range animals and pretty much spent their lives in the woods and pastures. The deer thrive in the wilderness with the hunters giving them a relatively quick and painless death, unlike the way some farm creatures are dispatched.


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paradigmsearch 3 years ago from USA

Odd. Was my post deleted?


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