Thimbles, Rhythms & Natures of Things - Part 3

LXIX.3

SO-SUMI
SO-SUMI

THE NATURE OF THINGS


This is for all human endeavors and experiences, including those with oneself, with others and with all things. We need not merely "go through the motions" of living. It's possible to live more fully and productively. For that, we owe it to ourselves to probe, to perceive and to internalize its essential rhythms within our selves.

This is not a complicated or new-fangled program or plan, nor a far-out pipe dream of smoke; and it is not a difficult course of action and being. But its very simplicity seems to cause it to be overlooked or discounted, either attitude rendering it more difficult and complicated for those holding those attitudes.

But when we most deeply understand the "nature of the thing" ~ of all things in our spheres, including ourselves, ~ we are more fully in the here and now and more fit for the future as it arrives, and less at odds with our lives and our environment. Its unique and individual nature can be considered and felt within itself and in one's perception of other entities, allowing all entities to interrelate more smoothly among ourselves and with the rest of our environment.

Can one question but that it's needed and of value? And if it is, can anyone expect to be exempt from personal contribution to the process? It is both our response-ability and our hope for achieving a livable world together.




I can't define

Perfection.

But if a perfect

Human being

Is being

Perfectly human,

You are!


______© Nellieanna H. Hay


~ human nature and beyond


It seems apparent that understanding the nature of things is found in skills more common in Eastern countries.

Chinese art and Japanese haiku are based upon expressing the essence of a thing's nature by merely a few brush strokes or a few simple words.

Martial arts depend on having a sense of the opponent's rhythm and nature so keen that instant response is possible without needing to face him.

Eastern and Middle Eastern music employs vastly more of the subtle in-between gradations of sound to express its own essence and beyond.

This does not imply, suggest or recommend that "their" natures should become ours! No. That would be the antithesis of mining for our own understanding, the unique truths and essences of our own natures and of the things native to our own environment.

However there is, first of all, much to be learned by us from their methods, paths and sensitivities to the specialness of each of their own associations which are part of any mastery of understanding; and, - if applied to our own quest for our own mastery of ours, - those methods could hasten and increase our own perceptivity of and delight in ours, as well as enhance our acceptance of and respect for theirs, for its own unique sake.

Those are in sharp contrasts to how our community and personal sensitivities and those of our young are generally, - almost traditionally! - being misdirected and thwarted in bull-dozer kinds of ways which contribute to more alienation, greater sense of separateness, (though lacking awareness of each of our valuable uniquenesses) - as it engenders and feeds a growing, lingering, debilitating frustration and disappointment in a defensive/offensive roller-coaster ride which more and more often prevails and overwhelms all of our lives, both personal and communal to the point of despair.

This is unwarranted and unnecessary. It is not a contest. Learning to relate to the nature of things is not like some kind of "race to conquer space" to prove us superior. It is simply a personal and a national choice and challenge to take stock of what we are doing and where it is sweeping us, the results of which, if allowed to accelerate do and will continue to suck our paths into an unnecessary abyss of disappointment - or worse. Being able to do so, in contrast, brings one nothing but rewarding results. And it IS an individual quest which raises the national debt not a cent!

So why the contrasts?

  • Western Civilization's values have not discovered nor sought them.

Why not?

  • Our personal Western ears are less attuned, therefore less accustomed to detecting the vital subtleties which define "the natures of things"; and so, less able to fully grasp their value as precise conveyances of the most essential meanings of life and harmony among the entities in our world. In fact, this dilutes our relationships with our own religious figures, our own arts and, ultimately, our own human and personal natures fall victim.

Why not embrace and use all those advantages if they are available?

  • Our general Western value system has not expanded sufficiently to include them, and so, it generally resists them without knowing what they are and what is being missed. If "lacks" in our views are highlighted, discomfort occurs, and with it, a tendency to crush and discredit the cause of the discomfort. For that reason, it would be well if awareness were to blossom and arise from within each person, which could begin with the earliest awareness as children. Too often, unintentionally or not, instead, it it stifled and stunted then. And another round of the same mind grow into adulthood.

So, what now?

  • We can, must pause, observe, listen and learn to our own heartbeats and sensitivities and be willing to feel their truths, too long buried and neglected.

An obvious starting point is to allow ourselves an awareness to first better and honestly understand and love our own personal natures, and then to extend those ways of understanding so discovered, - beyond ourselves.

  • Loss of awareness feeds on itself to become a gaping wound in hearts and souls.



Finding the rhythms and sensing the elemental, ephemeral nature of things may well be the missing keys to unlocking a host of The Great Unknown's doors, in fact.

In any case, they are the keys to better understanding of our own selves, our known world and its interactions and their effects, - and to cooperating in untangling the mess we've made of it before it crashes irreparably.



Ah - To seek,

To find,

To see,

To know,

To fully

Understand.

LAMENT FOR LOSSES


I grew a rose upon my stem

And placed it in your hands.


So blissfully it seemed to stay,

I hardly felt the pain

As one by one the petals fell,

You tossed them all away.


I came to sniff my fragrance

Just the other day,

And found a tattered pedestal

Where once its blossom lay.


I breathe a sigh and shake my head

For what was truly lost --

The shattered trust, that lovely thing

Now I must count as cost.


I sadly climbed the stem back down

Checking leaves and thorns,

Continued down to roots and found

No vital damage mourns.


But I cry my heart's felt tears

As I signal roots and leaves

To start to bloom another rose,

Until its love endures.


I'll nurture it again,

My care will be as great.,

That I may place it into hands

Which surely won't be yours.


______© Nellieanna H. Hay


APPLYING THE PRINCIPLES

. . . is so simple, really.


So this glimpse begins a mere focus upon these ideas, - for contemplation, for relaxation, for finding that inner stillness which invites our unlocking the true essences and natures of things which are our privilege and our right to enjoy. Nothing in them contradicts our other purposes or supplants our other joys, but rather enhances and gives them more, the way a microscope improves the naked-eye view of the sparkling facets of a butterfly's eye and as a telescope brings the vastness of distant stars and constellations into better focus onto the view of our limited sight.

'Getting it' is something to which one must be open, being felt and responded to with a keenness as of that microscopic look at and into the "thing" in its sites; and it's something we can, if we so choose to, - internalize, nourish and possess as an ability with which we are born, rather than attempting to conquer or to drill it in, - if and as we choose to "get at it" more fearlessly and naturally.

Like love, to force it is to miss it, though the quest for it is real. Though we may fumble and stumble along looking for it awhile before it dawns on us, it is abundantly worth it!

When we become receptive so that it comes from and into us, we simply experience its reality beyond a doubt, in every cell of our body and with every ounce of our being. It cannot be "faked"! But once allowed and discovered, thenceforward, every sight, sound and experience reveals more of its own clarity. It lends a glow to one's entire outlook and enriches one's soul.

And then, we would not wish ever to go back or to proceed without it.


FEELING IT


Filtered moonlight

Through clouds

Of thickened gray,

Long gone

Begins the day

To which I then belong.

Up comes a song

Of diadems of dew,

So new I can become again.

We poets are people

Unhampered by time!

At eight, eighteen or eighty -

We rhyme!


______© Nellieanna H. Hay


♥POSTSCRIPT:

The sense of liberation experienced from having found the rhythm and being within a beginning of understanding the natures of things feels like it would surely be to have been stuck and struggling trying to swim in a vat of thick molasses; and then ~ ~ emerging, non-sticky and nearly weightless, being able to fly and float on the bouyancy of air ~ ~ no matter where our feet may be standing or going in our life and circumstances! Those are exactly, precisely where and how our sense of rhythm and understanding of the natures of things best fits and serves to lift our lives and give us clear and real perspective.

I'm watching "Sabrina" as I write. One of the characters said something profound:

"Most people are in-between".

And - that's OK, too.

Hugs,

Nellieanna

♥ ♥ ♥



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David Warren 5 years ago from Nevada

Outstanding work! Thank you so much Neilleana, not that your work was written on my behalf, lol, but if ever there was a day I needed to read this it was today. Beautiful and voted up.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

Ah, but it WAS written on your behalf! I've no idea exactly who might pass by and partake of any of my stuff I write and offer to share, but whoever does, IS the one for whom it is written!! When that happens, it's like that little "click" sound an online jigsaw puzzle makes when the right piece is located and brought into the right place! It just feels so good!! :-)

I'm truly pleased that you happened upon this on just the right day for it, David!! Thank you!


ExoticHippieQueen 5 years ago

Beautiful hub, Nellieanna. Your method of blending photos, video, poetry and writing is genius. Our western world could learn so much from other cultures who value self-discovery and seek higher truths about themselves and life rather than glomming onto the Ipad, Ipod, Xbox, cell phones. We need to unplug and think about anything, something greater than electronics!


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Whenever I want to read some soothing and beautiful work, I visit Nellieanna.

(BTW, I nominated you on two best Hubber categories)


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akirchner 5 years ago from Central Oregon

I can't define

Perfection.

But if a perfect

Human being

Is being

Perfectly human,

You are!

Love that, Nellieanna - you do such a beautiful job of presentation! Everything flows along in such a lovely way - I'd never get off the first paragraph writing in your lovely style. Voted up and beautiful!

P.S. If you want to vote for me in the first tug-of-war, here's the link - yes, I am shamelessly trolling for votes~ Take care - you are such a beautiful writer!

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JamaGenee 5 years ago from Central Oklahoma

Wowwww... I am totally in awe of this hub. "Masterpiece" doesn't begin to describe it, or the truths it contains.

Western cultures are proof that newer isn't better and one size doesn't fit all...and never did. What a boring world it would be if we were all exactly the same! It's the differences that give texture to the fabric of life. Eastern cultures know this, but like rebellious teenagers, Western cultures delight in rejecting the wisdom of those older and wiser.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

ExoticHippieQueen - Love that nickname! Thank you for the gracious comments and compliments.

Yes - we deprive ourselves of so much when we are shut off from the richness of other cultures. Sometimes I think perhaps our influence on their cultures has weighed them down with too much gadgetry and perhaps undermined their lifestyles with too-western a look and attitude. But their is still so abundantly ground into their culture for so very much longer, it may grow back up more from its roots. Meanwhile, I suppose the perspective is becoming more and more a world-view than isolated national views. One thing about it - what it is is - what it is and everyone must make the best of reality. But for that to happen, taking time off to think and look inside ourselves is wise.

Thanks again for visiting and leaving your thoughts - excellent ones!


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

Will - why, thank you, kind and gracious sir! I hardly know where to go to check that out! But be aware that you nominate me in a wonderful way every time you stop by, read and leave your wonderful comments! Thank you!


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

Audrey - thank you so much! I probably put more time into arranging to suit my eye than I should. But it's what I do, as they say. Just like a delicious meal is enhanced by a nice table setting, so are one's presentations here; - especially, perhaps, is poetry enhanced by a little 'eye candy'. I appreciate your noticing and mentioning it! I love for it to just flow naturally after all is said and done.

And speaking of beautifully arranged and presented outstanding information with yummy eye candy! Your Pelican hub is all that and more! I just investigated and voted for it! Glad you mentioned it! I don't always keep up with everything as I would prefer to!


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

You have hit the nail precisely and beautifully on the head as always Nellieanna. There is so much we can learn from the more contemplative cultures.

You blend your gentle lessons perfectly with the right measure of poetry and pictures.

Always a pleasure to read your hubs.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

JamaGenee - G-r-e-a-t to see you! That's high praise, coming from a master like yourself! The way you summarize the essence of what I was trying to say is IT. Let's just hope that the 'rebellious teenager" mentality doesn't permeate and infect the entire world! A blend would be very beneficial. For that to happen, contemplation and self-honesty are prerequisites. Each perspective needs to examine its own dusty verities for their viability and upgrade with the best of new thinking where needed, to achieve continued value and vitality. It's all good in its own way, but the tested & proven wisdom of older and wiser cultures rates high regard!

We just need to guard against applying only our own narrow, often self-serving standards of deciding what is "tested & proven" in the wisdom of others. As you say, we tend to delight in rejecting them - even, at times, to the point of undermining and ridiculing them, like a blossoming teenager being a judge of the parents' and grandparents' abiding standards and traditions. Unfortunately, too often that IS how 'westerners' view 'easterners' - with the result that they, in turn, can't help but lose respect for ours and then 'round and round it goes. . . ". Not helpful!

We need to acquaint ourselves more objectively as well as sympathetically with the history of those 'other' viewpoints. If we are secure, we have nothing to fear by learning and being open to others' valuable views. Too often there's nothing wrong with our own views, but with the unrelated and unsubstantiated snide attitudes that sometimes accompany them! ;->

Thank you!


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

ChristopherA - thank you, my observant friend! Your support and encouragement always give me a morale boost. I don't like to 'come off' preach-y, when the truth is that I shun telling others what they should or shouldn't do or think, plus I'm well aware of my limits and of the wiser eyes who may read my opinions and views and either laugh or cry.

I admit, though, to being rather firm in my convictions and standards of acceptability regarding some more or less universal things I've found to be valid and, perhaps, even much-needed to help fill some gaps and empty out some debris I notice around me, - and, thanks to electronics - around many other areas of our planet. Sometimes something so begs to be mentioned which may not be being mentioned, that I have to ask myself, 'well, then, ole gal, if not you, who? and if not now, when?' and stick my neck out and risk verbal shrapnel, if not more solid kinds! (rotten tomatoes, one possibility) :-)


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JamaGenee 5 years ago from Central Oklahoma

Nellieanna, your thoughts in this hub resonated with me perhaps a bit more brightly now because I just finished reading "Vienna Prelude", the first book (of nine) in the Zion Covenant series. If you aren't familiar with this series by Brock and Bodie Theone (tay nee), it's about Hitler's and the Nazis' rise to power, which of course happened because too many simply "went through the motions of living", kept silent and did nothing until it was too late. Which makes your last comment even more apropo: "if not you, who? and if not now, when?".


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rebekahELLE 5 years ago from Tampa Bay

Sublime. Everything about this hub is perfect. Thank you for the opportunity to experience a poet fully present in her work. The videos also are perfect. I'm sharing with others, this is so beautiful. Thank you for helping to make my Sunday so wonderful. xo


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Twilight Lawns 5 years ago from Norbury-sur-Mer, Surrey, England. U.K.

I'me going to say four words. UP, AWESOME, BEAUTIFUL and BRILLIANT.

The first I have clicked, but the fourth comes from my heart.

I don't think I have read any of your rhyming poetry before, my dear friend, but I love what I have read here.

'Lament for Losses' is so lyrical, so lovely, so poignant.

Love it! Loved the whole hub. Loved the whole series.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

JamaGenee - thank you for returning and even reading my last comment here. Yes, yes. That dismal low-nadir epoch of human history is a case in point. I was just a kid when that rise to power was actually in progress. I can recall my parents and elder siblings discussing the events-in-the-works over the dinner table and listening with a child's-eye-perspective, wondering what kind of world had I stumbled into. Both Dad and Mother were history buffs and he had been in the Army in their first married years (though not sent overseas) in WWI; and the roots of his family were Germanic from way back. He was acutely aware of and interested in what was happening over there in the late 1930s, those years of my childhood. Fighting as a soldier was contrary to his religion, but his own ethics prevailed him to not ask for conscientious objector status, resulting in being excommunicated from the religion of his youth and heritage.

Of course my brother was the right age to go to war when it burst out in this country in 1941. But that was a fairly late-comer entry into what was in full progress in Europe and had spread to the east.

I'm not familiar with the Theone's series, but it sounds intriguing, though their areas of focus are far from new to me. In another online group there were two brothers born in England during those first Nazi attacks on London. The one born in 1939 was born with the shellfire all around his birthplace and as an infant, he survived only because the family's bomb shelter was too full of water to enter. They had to choose the next-safest place under a heavy dining table in the house. The flooded bomb shelter received a direct hit and was blown to bits. Everything in their dining room was destroyed but the table with the family crouching underneath it. My friend's father wrote a memoir all about it and he shared with me the unpublished version which he, himself, had edited online. What an odyssey his parents lived from their youth in England to migration to Canada and "the rest of the story". First-hand, it sinks into one's depths intensely. I felt as though I'd been under that dining table with them.

I am always concerned about the direction human populations are taking - or, too often, unconsciously drifting into and/or being enticed into. How many major catastrophes might have been or can be averted by more awareness and care-ness!

I doubt that any - or many - people think that they're merely going through the motions obliviously. They have "things going on" within the confines of their own little lives, while unaware of anything beyond unless it directly impacts their own small space and radius! It is appalling to see them sauntering diagonally across a busy street, cell phone in hand, often with unruly children romping about, as they are looking down rather than noticing the children or that they and the kids are personally in danger as well as endangering others while tying up traffic and delaying many others' lives in the process! It's so symptomatic of the tenor of thought - or lack of it - in the works now.

Sigh. Well I don't believe that ranting resolves anything. It is actually just another copout from taking one's personal responsibility for at least what is one's own contribution either to the betterment or for the worsening of the landscape over which one DOES have some influence.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

RebekahELLE - I'm delighted to welcome you and your great comments here! I can't claim "perfect" but I do fully claim being fully present in my work! Thank you for that perception, as well as the generous award of your considering some of it 'perfect'!! Your visit has definitely lifted my Sunday, as well! Hugs


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

ian, your visit and delicious comments give me inordinate joy! Thank you, my dear. I seldom try to steer myself into rhyming but I enjoy it when and if it pours forth spontaneously. Then I can get so "full of it" I can scarcely even talk on the phone without some rhyming! hehe. I'm so happy you liked that poem. It was one which did pour forth from the heart spontaneously, for sure!

I've already forewarned Ryan that I've devoted very little time this past week to cleaning and preparing for his visit which will materialize this evening! I confessed that I've been so caught up in writing that - - well - neglect of TDLs is the result. Luckily he's like family and has seen both this house and the ranch cabin in various shades of tidiness and not. He won't be here much anyway as he attends the seminar Mon-Fri and takes he final tests Sat. I can sneak in some vacuuming and stuff then. hehe Nothing like IMMEDIACY to summon my attention and response! I love last minute fire-drills. I've had to admit that on other occasions. No waste involved - just do the essentials, polish the brass and let undones be undone.

Otherwise my natural tendency is to keep perfecting the job unnecessarily till the last moment anyway and missing out on so much more fun stuff meanwhile!


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saddlerider1 5 years ago

Nellieanna what more can I add to this beautifully presented articulate as always masterpiece. Being the teacher that you are, I always leave your Hub having learned something new. You have a very profound philosophy about life and living the years you have my dear and the abundance of experiences.

So it's no wonder or surprise how you can paint a picture so colorfully and clear that all of us can understand by simply taking the pieces to any puzzle you lay forth and connecting them like dots, as simple as that.

Not only are your Hubs a wealth of information, you lay it out with such style and flare with added videos, pictures and poetry to match your wisdom and thoughts you are conveying to your audience.

Also many of the comments you receive can also be weaved together to form another great hub, isn't life grand. To converse like this at the Hubs, share, document, relate and educate and receive the accolades for your efforts. Oh my Nellieanna, you are like a breath of very fresh air every time I come here, even though I drag my feet sometimes getting here, you know I mean well and would never ever not come to read your wisdom and LOVE of poetry. I am just happy to have had the privilege to read you.

Now below I am pasting from your hub.

"Like love, to force it is to miss it, though the quest for it is real. Though we may fumble and stumble along looking for it awhile before it dawns on us, it is abundantly worth it!

I have LOVED with intensity and been LOVED in return, and I mourn for it and wish to be AWAKENED with LOVE once more. LOVE is ever fleeting and difficult to nail down, yet when captured and enraptured by two kindred spirits then look out, the world is theirs like two in the same Oyster shell.

LAMENT FOR LOSSES and FEELING IT....I felt them both deeply....Big hugs from me to you always sweet Lady friend of mine.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS Author

Ken - you do me so much honor! To think that my thoughts and their presentation might make a difference to someone else is truly beyond my wildest hopes. I admit there is a lot in them, if for no other reason than many years of accumulation - haha - but everyone has valuable experience of his or her own and much to share. Maybe my pouring it out so freely might remind others to share theirs too. One thing I do - always have done - is to visualize very intensely, so when someone tells about his or her experiences, I feel like I'm IN them, seeing the people & places described. I don't need movies - haha.

So yes - the comment threads are wonderful too. People bring even more than they find here, I think. There is so much real feeling and responsiveness!

That quote that love cannot be forced expresses my deepest certainty. Nothing really can be felt as real if it is forced, in fact. But things that matter most definitely should not be pressured. One can never be sure that it's really love if we must ask for it or ask how much of it there is. People won't want to be stingy and will possibly express more than they may feel - and we'll never know for sure. Even if it IS real, we feel mistrustful of it if we had to drag it out of them. The only way to avoid that is to simply wait till it is spontaneous and also, to be perceptive and see it in demonstration of what love IS in everyday ways. Sometimes that is when the pressure starts. One expects it to flow freely all the time. It may not. Doesn't mean it's less real. And if we are giving forth, we're less concerned about reciprocation, probably. Better to waste some love than to stint!

I suspect that sometimes serious mistrust grows from someone insisting on being told he or she is loved - and then feeling that inevitable doubt about it - and possibly the person who is inclined to ask is also inclined to suspect it's not real when the answer comes. Demanding becomes even worse than just asking. So sad. Real love can be stifled in such situations.

Yes, of course - to be intensely and reciprocally loved is beyond all other wondrous pleasures. We may try to measure its intensity in its normal quiet moments, though, and then wonder if it's still so big and intense. That's when it's tempting to ASK and then be left wondering. We tend to really EXPECT it to be equally clear all the time. But between our own subjectivity and that of the other person, it can't always "click" to the same high note all the time. We are all human and can't always be at our most intense. That's when the quiet certainty of love pervades and reassures us. Know what I mean?

Still, we live for the "peak moments". If love lasts into older years, it mellows a bit but it's no less real or satisfying (and sexy!). -It gives of itself to fit. It's never a waste to remind oneself to tell the loved one how much he or she is loved. George always told me and told me I'm pretty. I didn't expect or ask - he volunteered - unselfconsciously. That makes it so wonderful! Sometimes it was expressed in subtle ways, - like, commenting that he probably should send a bodyguard out with me to the store if I wore my sassy "newsboy" hat he thought was cute on me. Silly, but soooo endearing. Really noticing the person in small ways means so much and expresses love so well!


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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

First I've just got to say -your "perfect" poem is perfectly perfect!! What an elegant way to express such a simple truth! Imagine if everyone loved like that. . .it would fit nicely with my hub on unconditional love.

"Lament the Losses" nearly brings tears. It's so very beautiful and poignant. I am reminded of the second verse to this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q3LEadIk3w

I suppose you would've already guessed this hub would interest me for the very essence of it as it relates to things I consider and agree with. I'm also reminded of a book I had to use for a college class: http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Ching-Carol-K-Anthony/...

I can't even remember the name of the class and the class itself was terrible because the professor was not able to really teach the subject. However, I did enjoy the book. I kept it among my many piles of what are now ashes. It's like those truths of the Eastern philosophies, though ancient, are still incredibly valid today even among Christianity, yet many are so focused on the religious dogma of it that the truths often fail to be seen, or rather people fail to see them. Anyway, I found the contents of the book interesting to ponder.


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS Author

I'm sorry that you lost your textbook study of the "I Ching" to the fire. Of course, the philosophy itself would not encourage being 'attached' to things.

By coincidence, I've a copy of the "I Ching" I've had for many years, - which is surpassed only by the "Tao Te Ching". My copy of it is beautifully illustrated with lovely photos of nature which fit it superbly.

I've also read much of Alan Bates' work extensively. My favorite is "The Wisdom of Insecurity". He's a student of Zen and has some very good videos explaining some of his view of it. This is one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxRQVBDtB_8 . If one listens to or reads much of his work, it explains where I got some of my own perspectives.

I find no contradiction with Christianity. In fact, I read one book titled "The Gospel According to Zen". I was impressed by a parable in it of a lovely table spread with all the most wonderful foods. People came because they wanted to. No one needed to be cajoled and frightened into it! ;-)

This connection isn't something I broadcast because I'm not going to debate it. But if one studies Jesus' own teaching, there's no contradiction. Yes, it's the dogma built up over the centuries which have distorted basic truths.


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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

What's to debate? That word, to me, implies there is a right or wrong answer. Discussions of that nature leave little to nothing to gain. I would rather be open to discussion and hear points of view from another, but I suppose I come across sometimes as debating when my intent is merely to throw my own thoughts out there. However, it becomes kind of like a sounding board to me so long as the person or people I am speaking with are not easily offended by frankness if I point out something I disagree with in a statement or concept. My hope would be a response to me would be either clarification of thoughts or something else for me to consider that might change mine. Guess. . .that sort of makes it a debate, huh? LOL


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS Author

My reference to avoiding debate was not personal. It referred to those whose religious views are unshakably written in stone and any kind of broader views are unequivocally unacceptable. Discussion in such situations is not likely, maybe not possible.

Sorry if it seemed to refer to you in any sense. In fact, it seemed to me that we had similar views on the specific subject. Even if I was mistaken about that, we could easily discuss it amicably if it were mutually desired.


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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

Hahaha! You just proved my point about seeming as if I'm defensive, or debating, or whatever! ;) I was merely responding with what popped in my mind. We do indeed have similar views on the matter. That, however, was my view about debating. :p


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS Author

'Proving points' is part of the language of debate. I think I'll stop at this relatively comfortable 'point'. I've written 4 lengthy hubs & numerous comments clarifying what I choose to clarify. More would just be running it in the ground.

Good night, rest well! :-)


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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

Perhaps. The discussions were digressing from your hub topics anyway. You sleep well, too.


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS Author

That's so. ;-)

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