Tipping: Why I Hate Giving Tips

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I Shouldn't Write Your Paycheck

I hate tipping. I said it. No matter how much you tell me, “But they get paid next to nothing.”, “They are just working their way through college.” or “But, come on, man. Have a heart.” I am not going to change my mind. It’s not that I dislike the idea; I think that people who do an exceptional job should get a little extra. I get that. The idea of mandatory tipping of servers because their bosses can pay them two dollars and thirteen cents an hour, because if I don’t do it I’m a huge jerk, or just because it’s a nice gesture, makes me angry. But, I am not totally against tipping. I do think if you do a pretty good job – getting my food to me correctly and warm, refilling my drink before it gets empty, and maybe even suggesting what is good—you should get a tip. Anyone who does a good service should get paid well. But, most of the time, that’s just not the case.

I Don't Want to Seem Like a Complete Jerk

Hear me out first. I would like to say that I dislike that the government allows servers to be paid so little an hour just because they get tips (and they get tips because they get paid so little. I don’t really get their circular reasoning.) The government is required to pay up to minimum wage if the servers don’t make minimum wage with their tips plus the two-thirteen an hour. But, I hear from a lot of my server friends that this isn’t always the case. Also the government can take taxes out of their reported tips from their wage paycheck. Essentially they are getting double taxes taken out of their paychecks. That’s not right. If I could vote on something or sign something to change this, I would. But just because this is currently the case -- and it doesn’t seem like it’s going to change -- I’m not going to buy into the whole tipping thing. I don’t want to take it out on the servers. I really don’t. I wish bosses had to pay all servers minimum wage and the food cost more. I don’t feel it should be up to me what the server gets paid. That’s not fair to me or the server.

When I go to a restaurant I just want to get some food. Not that big of a deal. If I could have made this cheaply or easily (read: not five hours of cooking) at home, I would have. I can understand paying eight dollars for a cheeseburger and fries that costs two dollars to make when you get the service you do at a restaurant. But, I don’t understand why a server should get paid by the customer at the end of the meal. They should get paid a fair minimum wage, even if it means by eight dollar burger is now nine-fifty. If I choose not to tip because I feel the service was poor or if I’m just broke, I don’t think it’s fair that the money I don’t give them is money essentially coming out of their paycheck. The government is the jerk in this equation, not me – the non-tipper. I’ve been told by some server friends that if people are notorious non-tippers at a restaurant they will usually get their food messed with in some way, and that “some way” is usually pretty disgusting. That’s not right, and it’s not professional, but that’s just the way it is, I guess.

Jobs That Get Tips

  • Servers
  • Masseuses
  • Delivery People
  • Bartenders
  • Hair Dressers
  • Barbers

There are benefits to giving most of these workers tips. Masseuses you might get a little longer massage, delivery people may bring you your order first if you are a good tipper, bartenders may give you stronger drinks, hair dressers make you feel more comfortable, barbers will give you a better deal or feel more like family. However, there are few benefits to giving a server a tip other than you’re decreasing the chances of your food getting spit in the next time you eat there. The server can’t give you a bigger portion, that is the cook’s job. The server can’t really make your dining experience any better than what you would expect from a fast food joint, and those guys don’t get tips. So why should I tip if there’s nothing in it for me? Just to feel good? Well sure it’s always nice to tip someone, but sometimes I just don’t have the cash. Or sometimes the server wasn’t very nice to begin with and it makes me feel better to not tip at all. And there are plenty of people who never get tipped or even thanked for some of the work they do. And some that work is just as bad as being a server, and is pretty darn important. I am not trying to say being a server is unimportant, but I'm trying to say that some of these jobs save other people's lives and get paid the same as servers.

Jobs That Don't Get Tips (But Probably Should)

  • Firemen
  • Police Officers
  • Teachers
  • Soldiers
  • Mailmen
  • Lifeguards

I don’t understand why these jobs -- jobs that are often paid very little – are not tipped or usually even thanked for what they do. I worked in the restaurant business all throughout high school and in college. I worked mostly as a cook because that was the job that opened up at the restaurant I worked at, and it just stuck after that. However, I did work as a waiter sometimes, and when I did, I enjoyed the tips I got. I was always very gracious and never complained when I didn’t get tipped. I didn’t feel that I deserved them in the first place, they were just a bonus. A lot of coworkers, however, felt otherwise. They felt as if they deserved 20% tips on every check, whether they did a good job or just chatted with their friends or coworkers the whole time. While working as a lifeguard, I got yelled at by parents when I had to kick kids out of the pool for fighting or when I sent them home for harassing other kids. I got paid under minimum wage because it is “seasonal work”. They don’t get tips for keeping children and adults safe. At most they get an occasional thank you for pointing people towards the bathroom. Many firefighters are volunteers. Many police officers put their lives on the line dealing with all sorts of criminals, and they get spit at. Most teachers would do anything to help your children learn and thrive. There is no community tip jar for these people. And all the while I’m expected to give at least 15% tip on every check that a waitress, who forgot my iced tea, brings me.

When It's All Said and Done

I do think they have a crappy job. It sucks. But, it’s one of those jobs that requires no experience to jump into, and you can still be very good at it. Should I have to decide whether or not they have enough money for rent? No. I don’t think so. The government seems to think so. Their bosses think so. But I don’t and that’s why I don’t play into the system. If I could change the system, I would. I know some places where the servers get paid quite decently and aren’t expecting tips and get them anyway. In many other countries tipping is not expected. I don’t like it, but it’s just the way it is. I’m not going to change and tip every server I have just for because I “should”. If that makes me a jerk, well then I guess I’ll claim the title.

All in all I don't hate waiters or waitresses. I know they go through a lot of tough work and make very little. I generally do tip fairly well. I was just expressing my feelings on this topic and trying to justify how I feel. Thank you!

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reeltaulk 5 years ago

You're Right! I've always been a great tipper, but only if I like my waiter and if they are professional. Other than that I wont be leaving anything. I work hard for my money and so should you!


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Fortadam 5 years ago from Portland Oregon

I loved this post! I'm actually a massage therapist (LMT) and teach ethics courses. A topic that comes up frequently is tips. Generally, I don't believe that genuine massage therapists should get tips ... because what other therapist do you tip?!

If an LMT is truly providing a therapy to their client (i.e. SOAP noting, creating a regular schedule, and helping them maintain their body's balance) then they should be paid accordingly. If you're just a masseuse who is giving body rubs to people who are pampering themselves ... then you're not a therapist (sorry) and deserve to be paid next to nothing and rely on tips.

But tipping should be voluntary and without obligation. The whole concept that someone "has" to tip is ridiculous ...

Amen and voted up.


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myi4u 5 years ago from United Kingdom

I don't usually give tips. When I travel, I just make sure that I check the tipping culture. If possible, I will try to make payment by card so that I can avoid tipping. Having said all that, if the service provided to me is good, I will definitely be willing to give tips. I hate restaurants include service charge in their bill while giving lousy service.


Courtney 5 years ago

If you live in America, where tipping is customary, you need to tip. Sorry you don't like that servers are paid next to nothing, but that is the way it is! Unless you can manage to change the system, you gotta play by the rules when you go out to eat.

Serving is not a glamorous job. At all. It's hard work.

As somebody who waited tables in my early twenties, I can tell you that most servers work their butts off - when they don't do a "good job", generally speaking, it is because of something going on behind the scenes that the server has no control over.

Like it or not, when you don't tip, you are being a jerk. Servers remember jerks. They tell their co-workers about jerks. It will come back to bite you in one way or another...

If you don't like tipping servers, then learn how to cook and stay home.


Rollin 5 years ago

You are just a bad person. Plain and simple. Not a jerk. Just a bad person. Try to rationalize why don't want to tip if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that you are despicable.


Christine 5 years ago

You're justifying, but that "Rollin" guy seems like maybe he's a gaywad.


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Jake4102 5 years ago from Nebraska USA Author

If all the negative comments would have read my last paragraph thoroughly they would have noticed this >

"All in all I don't hate waiters or waitresses. I know they go through a lot of tough work and make very little. I generally do tip fairly well. I was just expressing my feelings on this topic and trying to justify how I feel. Thank you!"

I am not trying to justify what I do, because usually I tip pretty generously. However, if the world worked the way I wanted, I wouldn't have to tip because of these reasons. I don't think I'm a bad person. I think there are people who do a lot worse things than me than just leaving a poor tip to a bad server sometimes. But I guess if people feel that way about this article then so be it.


Pissed 5 years ago

I work my butt off as a delivery driver and it is essentially the same thing (As Courtney Says) I do everything that a person working on the inside of the store does and then jump in my car and use my gas to make sure the customer gets their food hot and correct and when you do everything for someone ie taking the order, making the food, driving it to their house, and then get nothing from a person like you it pisses me off and I think that if a person never tips ever then they don't deserve to have a waiter they should have to get it themselves I want to see a resturant with a tipping section and a non tipping section where you are the waiter contending with other people's orders to try and get yours correct the person is not smiling at you because we are care free its because we need to get breaks fixed on the car so we can keep the job its so we can feed our selves and family when someone doesn't tip I view that as a big F you I hate you as a person I hate the poison you are feeding to the internet you are a cancer feeding on society and I wish someone would Kemo your ass


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Jake4102 5 years ago from Nebraska USA Author

I ALWAYS tip delivery people. I know that a lot of times they are using their own resources (gas, car, etc.) to get to the place and most places don't reimburse for that. If they get it to me fast or not, I always tip them.

My reason for this article was not to offend or make anyone mad. My reason was to point out that "tips" used to be just that. A bonus or a reward for doing a good job. They are now seen as a mandatory part of the servers paycheck. Whether or not they do a good job. Whether or not they get everything right. Whether or not they check on you 5 times or none. I think its wrong that the government allows places to pay servers what they do, and I really think that needs to be changed. However, this is a "no skills" job. And I don't mean there is no talent or thinking in this job. To be a good server, it takes a lot of work. I know, I worked in the restaurant business for a long time. When I say "no skills" I mean it takes no prior training or involvement with the job (internship, apprenticeship, etc.) to get into it. If you don't like the way servers are paid then try to change it (like I am in a small way by trying to raise awareness) or get out of it.

I don't want to be hated, but bullying people on the internet is no way to make me change my mind about how I feel. It especially doesn't make your argument sound reasonable when it is fueled by hatred. And I can tell everyone feels passionately about this topic. But servers who feel they should get tips "just because" and get angry at people who don't isn't a good thing. Nor is people who don't leave tips when they get excellent service. I think there is a solution to this. We get rid of the government "tipped" wage and everyone has to get minimum wage, tips or not.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with this article. I am trying to show a viewpoint of many people who feel things need to be changed. I don't think any of this makes me a bad person. I don't feel that I'm some sort of "cancer". I'm just a college kid trying to do what's right in my eye. And I'm trying to raise awareness about an issue that I feel strongly about. That's it.


Athena 4 years ago

I don't tip. Ever. IDGAF if that makes me a jerk, nor do I care that food service workers or other service workers make way less than minimum wage. It's not my problem. I didn't tell them to take that crummy job or to go out of their way. That's your problem, choosing a cruddy job. Don't expect me to sympathize and tip you because I won't. Ever.


guest 4 years ago

shut up courtney go get another job nub


LaPalazzola 4 years ago

I agree with you Jake, I'm really fed up having to tip waiters, bellboys, hairdressers and estheticians just for doing their jobs. By that token, how come good mechanics don't get tips (and don't expect them either)?

In Canada, you already have to pay a 13% sales tax, then you have to add another EXPECTED 10 - 15% tip. Are we joking? I too "work my butt off" as a freelance translator, days, nights and even weekends if I have to in order to provide good service to my clients or market my services. It's my choice and I do not get a tip over my competitive rate! When I worked as project manager for different companies, I got my salary, period, even if I did overtime or went beyond my objectives. So why should I have to pay somebody extra for doing what they chose to do in the first place? If people don't like working in a restaurant then they can do something else like cleaning houses, windows or cars, mowing lawns, helping the elderly etc. Impossible to find anyone who wants to do that these days, it's not "cool" enough.

BTW, in France, Italy and Belgium, taxes and tips are included in restaurant prices, additional tips are given ONLY for superlative service. Much better way.


Eric B 4 years ago

I'm european (dutch) and i find this tipping thing very interesting. Some people say "in europe the tips are included in the bill". taht's a very american perspective at things. From an american pont of view the tip has got to be somewhere. Perhaps you mean the wage of the waiters, this is, just like all the other expense (insurance, electricity etc.) of course part of the price of the meal. Tipping is voluntary and officially that is the case too in the US. Or is there a law that says that you have to tip?

If you don't like the system, just stop tipping! when you all will stop tipping, the servers wil start demanding better pays, the prices in the restaurants will increase and we don't have to do the math after every meal you take.


RockyChase 4 years ago

I would just like to mention that as much I know you didn't 'mean' to "Offend" or cause anyone to get "angry". But when you are shedding light on your, and others opinions like yours, you better be prepared for how many people are going to disagree with you.

I've served tables for 8 years now. I'm in college, only 22. Getting my degree in music education, so I'm sure in your eyes, I'm just moving from underpaid job to the next. But I will say that they are two professions I love. I love serving tables. Yes, it's a lot of hardwork, but I get the chance to interact with a WIDE variety of people over a WIDE demographic. So my job is fun...

However, my job is also very difficult. Most people utilize 2 - 3 employable skills within one business day at their regular jobs. I do about 15. Common sense, time management, charisma, being personable, a team worker, arithmetic, quickly adaptive computer skills, note-taking ;), keeping a consistently good attitude despite the "tips" ...communicating effectively with co-workers and guests alike....and the list goes on.

In the 21st century and in this, the year 2012, the last year remaining on Earth, lol, your tip should START at 20% ...now depending on the service and overall experience the tip can go one only two directions from there.

The Downward Slope:

20% The server did their job adequately and very pleasantly

15% The server did not do their job adequately, room for improvement.

10% The service was terrible

0% or STIFF I, the guest, Hate you. I hate you and I hope you and your family cannot afford dinner tonight.

The upward slope:

25% The server did an above average job and was pleasant and personable throughout

30% or higher - The server went above and beyond the call of duty and superseded expectations.

Note* this is the modern form of tipping. Older generations are not always aware and especially older women who grew up courting in a time when men paid for most everything and handled the tip themselves. This is a new concept for many female senior citizens.

There were two comments out of your article that I would like you to take a second to realize that these two lines stand out to people like me probably more than anything else you wrote.

1. "I wish bosses had to pay all servers minimum wage and the food cost more. I don’t feel it should be up to me what the server gets paid. That’s not fair to me or the server."

Just like any business, its all about the profit. Businesses take moral and ethical sacrifices to up gross sales thousandths of a percent all the time. If every restaurant started paying servers minimum wage, labor costs would be so high through the roof just in one shift, that the establishments costs of materials (food (quantity, quality, source) culinary tools, plates, cups, etc) would require any entire re-evaluation and would not only turn away business, but also risk closing their doors. (unless we're talking big franchises) They might survive a little bit longer.

And not only is it an economic issue for companies but you are probably the ONE person who would rather pay more for (possible less quality) food, than tip an exceptional server that you may or may not get. Most people would throw a fit if restaurants worked that way.

2. "But, it’s one of those jobs that requires no experience to jump into, and you can still be very good at it."

I take a lot of pride in my job and the way I do it. I've seen people come and go, but when you work in the restaurants I do, Experience is a must and many people don't have the aptitude to serve tables like we do. So before you think it's something that just ANYbody can become acclimated to, take a second to think about the differences between the shitty servers you've had and the ones who have really "wow-ed" you. This is a very ignorant and condescending comment.

I realize this was sort of a long response, but in a passive, non-aggressive way, I wanted you to hear my side a little bit so as to help us all better understand eachother's Points of view.

btw, If you don't want to see the actual tipping process, I suggest you ask them to include gratuity next time.

TO COMMENTERS:

@Reeltaulk Thank you for supporting yet another stereotype.

@LaPalazzola You live in Canada. Enjoy your free healthcare and keep your sales tax to yourself.

Thanks!


Thomas Vogelsang 4 years ago

Obviously you have never BEEN a waiter. I am confident you would change your opinion if you put yourself what through many waiters must go through.. like getting yelled at for cold food; something that is often the cooks fault.


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Jake4102 4 years ago from Nebraska USA Author

I am also going into Education (language arts) and I have also worked in the restaurant business. I understand where you are coming from and respect that. I wasn't trying to be condescending when I said anyone can jump into the job. I obviously don't mean anyone can jump into any waiting position at any restaurant. I know it takes skill to do good work at an upscale type of place. But, what I do see a lot of is kids working in the small cafes, dive restaurants, etc. And I do think anyone can jump into those spots, and they do. They will pick up skills along the way, but I really don't think you need much work experience to jump right in to being a server at a starter restaurant (it was my first job).

I also respectfully disagree with the fact that most people use 2-3 employable skills at a normal day of work. I think most of the skills you named off that you use waiting most people use at most jobs. I think its a bit of a slap in the face to other job workers to say that they only use 2-3 skills daily. I think they use many of the same and other skills than you do daily.

Thank you for reading and replying!


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Jake4102 4 years ago from Nebraska USA Author

Also I have worked in restaurants as a cook where the servers got paid standard minimum wage, and the business was good and prices were not outlandish and people still ate there. So I think more often than not, bosses don't pay the wait staff minimum wage is because they don't have to. Not because it would drive them out of business.


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Shinkicker 4 years ago from Scotland

I usually just tip out of habit. One occasion I didn't was because of poor service. The food arrived no problem and it was tasty but the waiter was too busy eyeing up the girls passing by to give us any attention.

Great Hub, marked up. Kinda like the opening scene in Reservoir Dogs :-)


Amber 4 years ago

If you don't have enough money or don't like to tip, don't go to a restaurant where employees are working for tips, period.

I did choose to be a server because I love interacting with so many different people on a day to day basis. Just because I chose it, doesn't mean you aren't responsible to pay me when it is customary.

If Servers got paid minimum wage, you would most likely receive aweful service. Servers would be responsible for far too many tables at a time (to keep labor costs down) And quite frankly, if my paycheck didn't depend on how "generous" you felt that night, I can guarantee I wouldn't put up with half of the rude people I do now just hoping to make a couple bucks.


Chris 4 years ago

If you eliminated tipping, I promise this is what would happen. Restaurants would pay minimum. They would have less staff on their floor ( all of them.. possibly even up to 1/3 of what they have ) All prices would go up 2-4 dollars on every meal. People who are motivated by the "comission" aspect of the job would drop out. The servers would care *EVEN LESS* about giving you better service. All service in every restaurant would decline and you would end up paying maybe 1-2 dollars less. You decide.


Bridge 4 years ago

I agree with you. And to everyone saying that service would drop if waiters only made minimum wage... I think that's snooty and ridiculous. Only an overprivalaged asshole would expect more than minimum wage for a minimum wage job. Every single minimum wage job is the same mixture of mind numbingly boring and excruciatingly hard. Most of us just deal with it and perform our job our best without complaining while waiters get to complain about not making luxurious pay. Grow up and realize your life isn't hard.


Veronika 4 years ago

I agree with you, I don't usually tip because I just feel that that is not my responsibility to do that. Those people are getting paid already for their work. I used to be a waitress and believe me I did not care whether they will tip me or not. I didn't change my attitude towards my non tipping customers. Why would they have to pay an extra money to me? I'm getting paid for that, if I'm not happy with my job I can always find a different one.


Brian 4 years ago

Screw tipping, I'm moving to France.


vonjo27 4 years ago

You have no idea what you're talking about. I've worked for several years in the industry and I have done well. It pays for school, health insurance (not covered by work), my IRA, house, cars, traveling, savings, etc. My 20+% tips have flown me and my wife around the world. I have more flexibility serving tables than any higher-paying 9 to 5 job. I'm actually dreading the day I finish grad school and have to commit to something more "stable". Yes, I work in an upscale restaurant in Malibu, but I have worked in lower-scale, corporate restaurants, and it takes skill- no matter what you might think.

If you don't like tipping, stay at home. I tip well, but I don't necessarily tip huge. I tip 20% because that's what I expect, although I average much higher. No one likes a cheap bastard, and believe me, we'll remember you!

@ Bridge- snooty and ridiculous, but TRUE! If I didn't make what I make, I wouldn't be giving the level service I give. Servers make money in my restaurant, and believe me, you can tell by the service we give. It's not a "minimum wage job". Stay at home and learn to cook.


Levers 4 years ago

I hate tipping too! I only do this (begrudgingly) when I am in a large group. I also don't understand why it has to be a percentage of the final bill. Why do I get charged 12.5% of the final bill regardless of whether I ordered a really expensive meal and wine vs a cheaper meal and wine? Did the waiter work extra hard to bring me a more expensive bottle of wine?! No it's the same amount of effort, but because I spent my hard earned money by ordering a 'luxury' for myself (like expensive wine) this means I have to pay the waiter more?! How does that make sense?!


May 4 years ago

What is wrong with America?

Employers should pay their employees to do their jobs. The government should set a minimum wage.

I have had many jobs. My first job was at twelve years old and now I am twenty seven. Waitressing, housekeeping, receptionist.

Not wanting to tip on a mandatory basis does not make me a bad person. I simply believe it's the employers jobs to pay their employees. I'm now living in a country where tipping is almost non-existent. Sadly, this is changing. Servers, waiters, waitresses expect tips now.

After all this I still tip on occasion if I believe someone did an exceptional job. Like a taxi driver helped carried my luggage up some stairs to my door. I tipped him 100% of the fare because he went above and beyond.


Tammy 4 years ago

I hate tipping!

But how much should somebody make so that they would not ask for tips? And if they hit that salary mark, should they say I no longer work for tips, or I'm good I don't need to be tipped.

Because everybody is not making enough money and also have bills to pay.

People who go out to enjoy, eat, travel thinks thats that we make so much money.... well maybe we do, but we also have huge bills to pay off like our huge college loans. Just imagine your $2000 vacation that you saved up for months.... $400 goes to tips. Or your 20% of your salary goes to tips.

BTW, I think everybody is underpaid.... in that thought I should be getting tips too!


WorkingGal 4 years ago

I agree with you. When I first started out at age 14, I was only making 4.00/hr and through college I did work for little money. Because I was a good worker, sometimes I did get tips. But it was never expected, nor was it right to get angry at people who didn't. That was my job.

I saw it this way. If I chose to work there, then that was my choice. We all have to start somewhere. I couldn't blame others for my choice and position in life at that moment. I knew that I was working toward my goal of having a dream career. I really think those people who think they are so entitled have no eye for their future. They blame others for where they are and the fact that they aren't at least moving forward. Not everyone of course. Some really could use the tips. But the people I have seen complain in real life take that "it's everyone else fault that my life sucks" attitude with everything.

Work hard, learn and move up in life. Put forth that extra hard work on your free time to get into a better position/status.

And those who said "if you can't tip, don't go out to eat" are shooting themselves in the foot. Imagine if everyone took that attitude and stayed home. I think those restaurants would be closing pretty fast!

Now, when you are in a position in life where you can afford more, then praise those with tips who do an awesome job. Some of these workers don't deserve their hourly pay with the attitude they give their customers. For goodness sakes, I had a condition when I was younger and I still gave my customers a smile because it wasn't their fault that I felt bad. When someone goes out of the way to at least smile and make me feel welcomed, they get a tip. If my eating area is full of crap, the server never comes to the table or acts like I am a bother, they aren't getting a cent of my earned money. The establishment that made my food will, but not them.


Jeremy 4 years ago

I'm in the Military, I don't get paid that well and I'm risking my life serving my country... I do not get tipped for what I do, I choose to do this and I get paid a set amount. No f'ing way do I think some waiter or waitress deserves to make extra money for doing their job when it only consists of 'doing their job' you're not going out of your way to make something extraordinary happen. Stop complaining about not getting tips because trust me you're lucky to be making minimum wage whilst someone like I is risking their lives for your freedom.


Anthony 4 years ago

I completely agree with you. The restaurant industry makes a huge profits from paying their employees dirt. The hiked up prices for food we pay at restaurants is for the service of having someone cook it for us and bring it two us. By tipping we essentially are paying for this service twice. We shouldn't have to do that period, tipping should be optional for those occasional exceptional experiences one may have at a restaurant. The bottom line is that the restaurants should have to pay their workers at least minimum wage, or more in order to allow them to make ends meet without tipping. It is not fair that restaurants can get away with it and continue making obcene profits. In Japan tipping is not common at restaurants because their workers get paid a fair price, also the food at the restaurants there is not at an unreasonable price due to higher wages. If almost all other countries can provide reasonably priced food and pay their workers decently then this country should be able to make it work too. Unfortunately people in this country are so damn greedy and want to maximum profits at the expense of other people(in this case their employees). This makes me lose faith in this country because it is dominated by so much greed. If this culture of greed doesn't stop then America will be another Rome.


That guy 4 years ago

Jeremy thank you for your post above. You hit the nail on the head. All these crybabies think they should get 25% or 30% for just doing their job is BS. And trust me if you leave a 10% tip someone will stick their dick in your soup the next time you go back. The food service industry is broke. Military folks don't get a tip for doing their job. Often times they get a bullet from a sniper as a tip and die for the USA. If you are a waiter/waitress just do your job and stop crying about it. Go to the owner of the place you work and demand he/she pay you a decent wage if you want. If they don't then leave. If you don't like your job because you think other hardworking people should give you 30% on top of already expensive food cost your crazy. Servers in high-end restaurants make a boat load of cash and they don't claim most of it either to the IRS so they are screwing everyone. Hey join the military and go to Baghdad for awhile and see how many tips you get there.


Martinez5421 3 years ago

Wow...the stupid things ive read. let me start here

@athena if you don't want to tip, order takeout or just cook at home if your cheap. did you know that servers actually pay money to serve you? yeah its true. where i work we pay the restaurant 5% of the total sales. so when you go out thinking your cool ordering 200 dollars worth of food and making us run around for you, causing us to neglect our other tables not only are we working hard for you, but in the end when you don't tip anything we end up paying that 10 dollars regardless. so in plain terms we just paid 10 bucks out of our own pocket to serve you. sound fair? smh

@jeremy thank you for your service to oour country but your coming off as a real douche. since were putting servers on blast here lets switch it up a little bit and talk about you. yeah your in the military but lets cut the crap where you act like your in near death experiences every day. i have many friends in the military who post pictures of them partying and drinking on facebook everyday. one of my friends admits that in the year that hes been in the military hes never once been to war or been shot at so you can stop with the "im saving the world so im better than you" act. of course im not gonna be so ignorant as to say thats how it is for everyone in the military because i do understand that there are those few who do actually go to war but for the most part, people in the military get paid for doing next to nothing. and now on to the topic of tipping. you may not get money handed to you directly but you do, in a sense get "tipped". think about alll the tax breaks, health benefits, discounts at many places, and other perks you get. you don't consider those as somewhat as a "tip"? servers do what they do because they love interacting with people but that doesn't mean after all the bs we go thru we don't deserve to be paid. oh and i do agree that some servers do suck and that they don't deserve a cent of your money but they still are paying money literally to have you eat at their table so if your not gonna tip atleast pay the minimum 5% so that they don't end up paying money to serve you. for all you know that rude lady whos serving could be stressed about her manager who wont let her leave to pick up her sick kid, or that guy who seems like somewhat of a jerk could be a college student whos upset because his calculus 3 final is tomorrow and his manager made him come in to work cause someone called in so now hes missing out on valuable study time. your no better than a server so don't act like you are. I digress


wooter 3 years ago

Tipping is bad, US is pretty much the only place that does it. If we stopped tipping and paid them minimum wage, but the food price increased, then over all quality would go up, or that restaurant would fail for overpriced bad food.


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Amber Howard 3 years ago from Wallkill, New York

Maybe it is because I have worked in a restaurant that this hub honestly cuts me deep, but I understand your point (and I am glad you said you tipped well in your last paragraph). You are right - it isn't your fault that the server gets next to nothing, and that they get taxed on their tips, and then (in some cases) tip out to the host/hostess and the busser. Even if you don't believe in tipping, or don't like the idea, so be it. We can't make you tip us, or tip us well, but it is always appreciated when it is received. Thanks for the hub!


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Lothar 3 years ago

Less complaining, more posts on how we're going to change the system to make them pay servers a living wage.


I am Asha. I say let the fools be fools even in their speech. 3 years ago

I find it interesting that people feel it okay and justifiable to call other people "jerks," "bad people" and "despicable" when a person does not tip. Because the name calling doesn't apply to the company who feels a server's job is less than minimum wage. I bet you, if the $2.13 wasn't a standard they would pay servers even less than that. I would even go as far as to say, if they could get away with putting the sole responsibility of paying their employees to their customers they would. If they could make those jobs volunteer work they would even do that.

The truth that many are blinded by is the company is the only ones being cheap and disrespectful to their tipped employees. Why on earth does their cashier or hostess get paid more than the one who is responsible for serving the customer "hand in foot"? But the tipped employee didn't think about that did they? Of course not. They are just that loyal of a slave to their cheap master to even see that. Always making and keeping the master looking like a saint, right? While everyone else who don't tip or tip lowly are devils. Wow! Talk about being brainwashed.

WISE UP: You can only brainwash people who just don't know any better, in other words, stupid minds. You cannot and will never be able to brainwash wise minds.

The company (the master) knows that stupid people will always voluntarily continue to be their slaves and then turn around to blame the customers of the company for not paying their wage which in essence helps them pay their bills, habits, and addictions. Therefore, this tipped slave will never be the ones to push for change in higher wages.

What tripped out is more times than not, the waitstaff's servitude either barely even fulfills their job description. Since when do we reward -- and financially reward -- for B or C grades? If some of you have kids, next time your child performs at a B or C level when you KNOW they could do A or beyond, give them a nice financial reward. Mediocrity should never be rewarded and especially with money. The more it is, the more people will not change for the better and history has proven this in all areas of life.

And another thing, people act like servitude is limited to just tipped employees like waitstaff, bartenders, etc. That alone lets me know you all are indeed brainwashed. Servitude is in every single profession and non-profession. It's life. When you do something for someone you have just served them. The positions are not called servers, but everyone serves someone. Therefore, everyone has experience in what it takes to serve someone. It's not always easy and it's not always hard.

Companies prey on the ignorant and weak-minded to because they know they will accept $2.13 or less an hour without a fuss. Check this out, it's no different than what we do when we outsource our workloads to third world countries and pay them pennies. I'm sure some of you tipped employees can't stand that, but that's exactly how you are being treated.

Shame on the company for not paying the ones they hire what they are due. Servitude can be -- not always -- tough work. But shame on you, too, tipped employee for succuming to such bad treatment by agreeing to be that company's "fortunate slave" (because you are actually paid something even if it is low). Then to make matters even worse you become this cheap companies supporter and front line defense by only blaming and name calling customers? Seriously?! It was you and your employers who agreed on such a low wage.

You know what? When was the last time you fought for increase in hourly wage for tipped jobs? When was the last time you even asked your employer who said you and your servitude skills are only worth $2.13 an hour? If employees and people with your mindset continue to think like a dumb slave, they will continue to get away with paying less than minimum wage.

Wise up tipped employees of $2.13 an hour (give or take a little). Know your own worth! If you don't, then why on earth should anyone even want to tip you? Why would anyone want to tip you even more than the hourly wage you accepted from your employer?

Open up your darn eyes and mind. See tipping for what it really is. And, stop being your cheap master's (your employer's) fool.

And, since you know what it's like to serve others, every single time someone lifts a finger or speaks a word of encouragement to your behind -- this is serving, too -- you better stop being a cheapskate, selfish, despicable jerk and give them a nice financialy tip. Serving will NEVER be limited to just the restaurant/culinary industry. And, you remember that!

You may think what I said was redundant, but for some people it's going to take repitition to bring forth a positive change and open one's eye to the truth. If you are a fast learner, then good for you!!

For those with an ear to hear let them hear.

My Experience:

My first real job outside of summer-hire (military thing), I once served as a waistaff member before when I was in high school and was paid $2.13. Within just a couple of weeks being hired I was give a 10 cent raise. Other waistaff wasn't too happy about that because they had been there years and hadn't received one. The raise was a surprise to me because I had just started and didn't even think about the idea of raises (yeah, just stupid...smh). Anyway, out of being surprised I spoke my thoughts aloud about not even asking for a raise while my ex-coworkers were right there, which probably added to the fuel. So I was hired to be on the waitstaff, which was to take their orders and bring it to them and check up on them while they were eating, but my list of duties did not stop there...

I also was instructed to do and carry out the roles that other restaurants had positions for (which I thought for some stupid reason were responsibilities that all waistaff should already be doing - just brainwashed). Here are the roles I was instructed by management to do:

* Host/seater

* Bartender (when I became of age to serve alcohol and even though I didn't want to serve alcohol to people they made me)

* Food stocker

* Busser

* Cashier (for all customers including providing tip to drivers from their deliveries)

* Dishwasher

* Order taker by phone, window and walk-ins, too

* Clean the bathrooms

* Close and clean the restaurant

All that for just $2.23 an hour. But I thought this was normal. At that time, minimum wage was at $5 and some change (I'm an early 80's kid). After graduating, I moved to another city. And it was then, when I learned that what I did was, in fact, not the typical job duties of a waitstaff.

I was still kind of stupid and tried to rationalize that the company I worked for just didn't have the money to pay for all those different types of positions. Did I just voluntarily cover for my ex-employer's terrible treatment of me and the rest of the waitstaff? The thing was I knew my job description, but when the manager said to do it, I thought I had to or I thought maybe I overlooked it in my job description. I was so incredibly ignorant when it came to things of this nature.

There were times management and supervisors would be in the front and doing absolutely nothing. They were paid the salary and could've pulled their weight a bit more instead of having the waitstaff do all these tasks while also waiting on the customers. Don't even get me started on sanitation changing from one role to the next.

Aside from being the "fortunate slave," *rolling my eyes* I have also been on the HR and accouting end of a business - my own business. So, I have hired, fired, and been the one to cut the checks. And, while I don't like to admit this, but I hired dumb people, people who were willing to accept pennies for hours worth of work. I didn't want to do the work and sometimes just didn't have the time to, so I would find (I knew where to go) those are willing to and at a low rate put up an ad and wait for them to bite, which wasn't long. Was I being greedy, stingy, selfish, with my money by not paying my workers more? Not all the time, but yeah I was. But I'm sure they didn't see it that way, because they agreed to the wage when they could've ask


I'M JONES & I'M FUCKING FED UP! 3 years ago

Author of this article, do NOT apologize or feel bad when some people comment on your article and oppose you. The fact is there are PLENTY of jobs available. Nobody twisted their arm into accepting such a low paying job. Nobody twisted their arm to settled for working at a company who thinks they are worth less than minimum wage. I can't stand these positions and how those in them EXPECT the customers to pay when the customers NEVER hired them. If I were involved in the hiring process then and only then should EXPECT a tip/reward from me. To all those in tipped positions who have their head on backwards listen the f*ck up: I don't sign your d@!# paychecks. You didn't fill out an application I put out saying "hiring servers". It wasn't MY company you applied. I don't issue you a W2 or 1099 form even. Hell, I don't even know your social security number, phone number, last name, never met you til that moment and yet you (people in these stupid ass tipped positions) EXPECT me to pay you?! Have you lost your d@!# mind?! No wonder you are in the low class position that you're in. Because you are so far stupid as to expect a person you JUST MET for the first time to pay your wage when they have no say in the hiring process and don't work for the company you applied. But you think your wage is the customer's responsibility. No smart person would ever think of such a thing. Again, no wonder you're in the low class position that you in because you don't act like someone who deserves more. A person who does, would NEVER accept such a dumb ass position EXPECTING anyone other than their employer to pay their wage. You want to take out your frustration on someone, don't take it out on the customers. Take it out on your employer who doesn't feel your WORTH more (if they did you wouldn't get your panties all in a bunch when you don't get a tip from a customer). And if anything take it out on YOURSELF for knowingly and willingly accepting a position of low value. That is NOBODY's fault but your own. You'd be better off as a panhandler. That way customers don't run the risk of being treated unfairly when they choose to not tip. Take your stupid ass begging customers for money on a street corner and hold a sign begging for money.


Opinion 3 years ago

I agree with you, Jake. I don't believe this is a good system for anyone. The employer should be responsible for their employees, not the customers. I would rather have the meals be more expensive so that waiters could be paid minimum wage (or above, I suppose it depends on the employer).


Moneybags 2 years ago

Obviously the answer is to increase the tip to 100% and remove the requirement for employers to pay employees at all. Oh wait, that's valet parking.


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Ten Cole 2 years ago

I have worked in the service sector for a long time. After pursuing continued education, I now currently work in Admin. I know what its like to have both types of jobs fair wage vs not. On the whole, I feel tipping is an archaic system that should be abolished. You should know, as an employee, what to "expect" to bring home based on time put in. Arbitrarily making a lot one day and almost nothing the next dose not serve anyone well. Particularly as it leads to hurt/uncomfortable feelings on both sides. Also, I don't really believe it helps to improve the service at an establishment. I've heard the back of the house talk from servers who, weather or not they gave good, or even adequate, service, believe they are "entitled" to a 20% it least. Tips really should be a bonus, something that is received because they made your day, not something that is given under duress and a sense of obligation. I also detest auto tipping. To me, who already dose not believe in the tipping system and believe it is quite broken (I'd prefer to pay more for my meal and have the servers paid a decent wage), I believe that auto tipping tells the servers, I know you are already bitter that you don't get a livable wage so, on top of that, you don't really have to worry about your actual service to any of the customers because you'll be tipped 17% regardless of what you do. I've had PLENTY of lousy service at restaurants that auto tip. So much so that I won't go to those establishments. I also do not tip for extremely poor service. By this I mean, I've had servers who, forgot whole portions of the order, never showed up with the drinks, had to be asked for silverware several times, Were very inattentive and had to be tracked down on foot, exc., (all from one experience). I'm not tipping those people, ever. If you feel somehow, after all that, they are justified in expecting a tip, just because they have a job that pays poorly, well, I kind of feel sorry for you, and you are part of the problem not the solution. If I am now an employer of this person because I have to pay part of their wage as they company they work for dose not, then I would fire that employee for those types of actions. If I, in my current position, was to decide not to do my work, show up when I feel like it, and/or turn in sub-par work, my employer would be well within their rights to not continue my employment/pay. I'm not sure how you can have it both ways here. So, the solution. Don't. Employers i.e., restaurants, should charge more for there food and enforce good working practices with there employees. I'm only there for the food, not to the job of being there employer.

As a side note. I've also, as a women, experienced being, quite literally, intimidated into giving a tip after extremely poor service. I had a male server, late at night, with only myself and another female guest. It was very slow and therefore no excuse why the service was so terrible. After getting the wrong order, twice, waiting so long for our food it became cold, dirty napkins we had to ask for replacements for (he was also the person in charge of cleaning and resetting the tables in his area, so yes, it was his fault not someone else), not checking on us (I had to get up and go to the bar and have them give me a refill), being rude and literally ignoring us, even when he looked right at us when trying to get his attention, giving us dirty looks and speaking to us with a disrespectful tone, and a few other issues, I had deiced guess what no tip for you. I'm not adding anything on top of this $40 bill of this type of service. So, after I received the check, (which we didn't get for about 10-15 minutes after we were clearly done) I went to the cashier to pay, so we could leave, the cashier was female and as I approached her with my bill, (the other women I was eating with left to go warm up the car), he came up and decided to cash me out (this had not been done for other patrons. I could see the cashier clearly from my seat and the women had cashed everyone out before me), anyway he moved to her position printed my receipt after swiping my card and then proceeded to glare at me (as if daring my not to tip him), and excessively watch me fill out the receipt (By that I mean pointedly looking back and fourth between myself and the receipt). It was very creepy and, even though I knew he didn't deserve a tip I was so cheeped out I ended up leaving one anyway. I later complained to management and have not eaten at the national chain since but that is one experience I will NEVER forget and to this day, don't know what that guys issue was. I'm not sure I really care though, I've had bad days, days I didn't work to come to work, literally days someone close to our family died and I had to suck it up, put a smile on my face, and serve to the best of my ability, regardless if I liked the person I was serving or not. My point is, this type of tipping intimidation would not happen if we never factored tipping into the equation as a social responsibility. I also recommend the article "After I banned tipping at my restaurant, the service got better and we made more money" it may shed some more light on people. http://qz.com/113597/after-i-banned-tipping-at-my-...


22 months ago

There are many larger issues to be passionate about. Pick your battles. This one isn't going away anytime soon and I see many intelligent people making great arguments in this post. If you don't want to tip, that's fine. I wouldn't recommend being a regular in any establishment if that's your deal, but it's your right to do what you want. But perhaps you should take the passion you have for this argument and use it for something more plausible. The tipping system in this country isn't going anywhere. Stiff your server if you must & please don't revisit that place---use your voice towards something that might actually make a difference.


Kyle 15 months ago

As a nurse in a hospital, I sometimes feel like a glorified server. However, I do not get tips when I do my job good or bad. Also, the cook makes the food, I often feel they should get the tip

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