WRITER'S REMORSE

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By: Wayne Brown

It all started about two weeks back.  At first, it seemed they were trying to help me but as it continued the process became quite frustrating and now it has gone beyond that point. If you are lost as to the subject of my opening statement, then let me get to the point. I think HubPages is ready for me to leave.  The message gets a little clearer each time I open my account and find yet another of my writings flagged and unpublished by the moderator.

 

At first, they were gigging me for “pixilated imagery”.  Since they are not specific in their flagging, one has to start guessing. Eventually, I figured out the photo is simply not up to their standard of quality.  They make suggestions that possibly you could go back and resize the photo, etc. to obtain a better quality on the image. Unfortunately, in this jungle of a website, I have yet to find any settings that will allow me to resize a photo. I can resize it all day until I post it and then it seems to have a mind of its own

 

Anyway, I rolled with the punches on the first few of those and made the changes in some cases guessing until I found the right item.  Note to HubPages:  If you know what is wrong, why not share with me, so I can fix it!   After processing a few in this manner, I started trying to guess which hub would be next to get nailed in the process.  Now, as a writer, I must ask the question, “What the hell does a pixilated picture have to do with the quality of what I write and why are you worried about?  I might have a blurred image of my own thumb there for a particular reason.  Where does it stop?

 

Well, I will share this…it does not stop at pixilated images as I found out this morning.  Now most of you who read my stuff know that I write a bit of this and a bit of that and change off here and there depending on my inspiration and mood.  Sometimes I am inspired to write poetry, sometimes it is dark fiction, other times it is strictly nonsensical humor, and at times I get my panties in a wad and write political commentary.  Aha! Apparently that is the place where my slip is starting to show.

 

This morning I received a notification from HubPages which informed me that the moderator had removed my hub “American Fool” from the ad revenue stream.  There was no indication as to “why” other that it was a function of “a review by the moderator.”  Now, I have to roam around inside this piece and try to figure out what it is that seems to put the moderator’s panties in a wad.  Other than finding the use of the word “ass” that occurred one time in one paragraph, I was coming up with nothing.  Then it occurred to me that possibly the moderator might be of a different political ilk than I and possibly found the entire piece to conflict with his/her interest.  Thus, it would be only appropriate to flag it and take away its ability to earn a few hundred thousandths of a cent.

 

Given this thought, I started to see “Big Brother” creeping into the HubPages experience.  As a writer, I don’t particularly care for folks who want to tell me what I can write and how I must phrase it.  If you plan to do that, you better be paying me well for that privilege, otherwise, stay the hell out of my business.  Don’t get me wrong, I am certainly a supporter of keeping out the porn and use of excessive profanity or the like. That is certainly an option the owners and managers of HubPages can and do exercise.  But when that effort starts to go beyond that guard, I begin to become concerned that this may not be a place where I want to write anymore.

 

I have been here on the Hub for 14 months now writing fiction, poetry, humor and political commentary.  I get frustrated to see the scoring of hubs and of writers especially in a light which I consider rather marginal to the writing talents of individuals.  More and more I see efforts to “dress up” the hub using large quantities of photos, links, etc.  I see the writer get rewarded for doing that…for basically playing the game in order to win the contest I assume.  As I witness this, I see damn good writers sit here for months writing piece after piece of good stuff but being totally ignored for the most part.  The thing that bothers me the most is that I see more and more good writers pulled into the mechanism of how to score on the Hub as opposed to concentrating on the quality of their writing. There is something that is not right about this approach…maybe the fact that it focuses more on the clothes and less on the person.  Well, from where I come from, you can put a coat and tie on a mule but you’ll never hide those ears.

 

If you are missing my point here it is this.  I came here to write not be a packaging engineer.  I am not here to create a marketing campaign for a series of books on “How to Mow the Lawn.”  I came here to write.  I came here to concentrate on the use of words, phrases, imagination and mental images…the sharing of emotion with others; the ability to see the same things, to share the same joys, and the desire to bring a tear to the readers’ eye with my words.  Sure I throw in a picture or two or a video but I don’t depend on those as the thrust of my writing.  Maybe the early success of the “Aunties” displaying naked pictures of their cousins had something to do with this mindset, I don’t know. But, as a writer, I would like to think that only my words would be enough to create the imagery the reader needs to stick with the piece.  If not, then maybe, I, as the writer, need to work a bit harder at my craft.

 

I have invested 14 months here and produced 392 Hubs of poetry, fiction, humor, or political commentary.  I have achieved the 100 level a total of 11 times; my hubs have been viewed over 30,000 times, and I have accumulated almost 500 readers who following my writing.  I am proud of those things but I am most proud of the writings that I have created here and the fact that I have been able to keep the quality level high.  I achieved that by sticking with what I knew best and going with my gut on everything I did.  Now, it is becoming a full-time job to sort out what is “wrong” with my work.

 

The process should be simple.  If “Big Brother”, the HubPages Moderator, has a problem with one of my pieces, then send me an email…one human being to another and spell out specifically what is wrong that you need fixed so badly.  This would be a far more efficient way to do business than having me guess what it is that is not working for you.  It is like getting a letter from the city that I live in telling me that my house is not in code compliance but giving me no explanation as to why.  It leaves me only to have to sit and guess and that pisses me off.

 

At any rate, if the current process continues to work in the way it has, I may just take down my tent and move on to some place where there is a focus on writing instead of political correctness and package engineering.  So if you look up one day and I am gone, you’ll know the reason for my departure.

 

 

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thebluestar 5 years ago

Dear Wayne, as in a term of endearment, you are not alone. So many of us are finding little nickity pickings in our hubs, and as you so rightly say, we came to write and build a family of like minded people whom we can have something in common with. An aim to share whatever talent we may have and gleen the advice from those who are more talented. These pixilated images are a pain in the ass. I have had so many of these to fix recently. We could all support one another again by sending our feelings to the powers that be and apply to their judgement for some sense, and understanding that we want to write. I would hate to see you leave. Your talent inspires me every time I read, (except for American politics, which I have no knowledge of). You have supported me all the way, not just on hubs but mail too and I support you with this one. Fight!!!!!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Wayne, as a loyal follower of your work, I would be very upset to see you leave hub pages. Unless of course you sent me a link to the new arena for your work.

Hub Pages does seem to be shrouded in mystery on many different areas of operation. For instance, how can a hub lose a point, as in go from 50 to 49, before one even publishes?

The few hubs I have written were not because I hoped to earn a great deal of money from writing, but because I had something to say and this was a good place to say it.

I too often wonder about the political leanings of those hub pages people assigned to hover over the delete button. Is it a particular word or belief that upsets them?

You are by far one of the best writers on hub pages, and your leaving would be a great loss to the community.


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Merlin Fraser 5 years ago from Cotswold Hills

There is a degree of Big Brother creeping in around here but I sense it is set to Automatic, so if you write an article about Feeding Wild Birds and happen to mention that Tits like coconuts you will feel a gentle tug on the ear lobe.

The really nasty Big Brother bit comes when you challenge them on their ruling of what was very obviously an automated naught word finding sub routine then you will find that they will go all hard nosed and defensive on you. They will wriggle, squirm, move the goal posts.... everything in fact except admit they are wrong.

God forbid that they might actually apologise.

Let's face it most of us here make more money for them than we do for ourselves, I write on Hubs for fun not profit and I think this tends to piss them off, not commercial enough, but like you I will not be dictated to as to what I will and will not write about.

I write with humour, sometimes there is a sting in the tail and if that offends the guilty then I smile and move on.

However, also like you if they pick on me again without a detailed reason and a willingness to discuss then I will pull everything off and go somewhere else and probably write about them !


Motown2Chitown 5 years ago

All these changes as a new hubber are a little frightening to me, as well as challenging. I hope that in my time here, I've put my best foot forward, but I've seen more than one quality writer who's concerned, so I'm beginning to be concerned as well. I'd blog, but I'd like an audience and blogging doesn't really allow for that, you know? Keep your head up, Wayne, and your fingers to the keys. And, if by any chance, you should pack up and move along, tell me where you're going!


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rkhyclak 5 years ago from Ohio

Wayne, I'd sure hate to see you go. If you do, please let me know where you stake you claim next, I'd love to keep reading! Back when I wrote my 100th hub I questioned leaving as well. Partly due to the moderators and partly due to the attacks I was coming under from some readers.

I only have 136 hubs, but I've had about 15 flagged in the last couple of months due to "too many links" or "too many products" (I once had 2 books listed from Amazon!!). I've also noticed, as I know you and the others have, that anything we write that has even a whiff of politics on the right side of the fence, our scores plummet. Now I don't care much on the score itself cuz God only knows how they calculate it, but it does burn my grits that someone who can't spell the word "go", write 3 lines then has 50 Amazon products (with adequate descriptions of the products to keep it HP legal) and a bazillion pictures of some floozy in a bikini can have their score skyrocket.

And weather the trolls and moderators like it or they don't, I voted this up and all the good buttons too!


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Terri Meredith 5 years ago from Pennsylvania

I'd hate to see you go, but I, too have been wondering about the state of affairs at Hubpages. The nature of my daytime job often puts constraints on my writing time. As a result, I may not publish for several weeks at a time. I write on Hubpages for pleasure, not money. My job responsibilities have given me many opportunities to write for money--it's been part of my job. I've written technical reports, equipment evaluations, employee evaluations, training programs, PR pieces, and some local advertising campaigns. My favorite has been the company newsletters. Some of my writing responsibilities allow for creativity, some do not. Hubpages has given me an outlet.

Just like you, I often find myself scratching my head when I read a piece that is filled with spelling and grammatical errors, when the piece is unfocused or seems to wander aimlessly all over the page. I wonder how these pieces are scoring so high when they are so difficult to read or comprehend. I wonder about the pieces that seem to simply be words thrown up on a page in order to provide an advertising space for amazon and adsense.

When I was brand new, I wondered how the writers of some of these pieces had hundreds of followers. I couldn't follow even one story, how were others able to follow all the works of the writer? I discovered that it's a game. You follow me and I'll follow you. No thanks. I'd rather be followed because you're actually interested in what I write. I'm only going to follow someone else whom I feel can contribute to some area of my life such as a need for entertainment or knowledge.

Incidentally, I thought I was following you a long time ago. I particularly liked your American Fool piece. I don't know what happened that you weren't on my list but I've fixed it. If you truly do decide to leave, make sure you let me know where to find you!


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sheila b. 5 years ago

Mmhmm, we have to be careful not to 'offend', it seems.


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

You and I don’t agree on politics. But your writing is excellent, the content is informative, the volume remarkable and you are often very funny. You encourage many other writers here and that is noted in their comments. You are a valuable member of this Hub community, but like other writer/leaders you are contemplating leaving. That only spells a bad business model by the Hub page management. When the strong spokes leave, the Hub will crumble.


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drbj 5 years ago from south Florida

You are not alone, Wayne. I, too, have received emails - automated, of course - that certain hubs have pixilated images. God forbid!

Please don't leave, but if you do, take me with you.


SilverGenes 5 years ago

Mr. Wayne, you know how I feel about things. I moved my creative writing off to my own site because I just couldn't feel creative with a censor on my shoulder. Not that I had planned to do any heavy duty naughtiness but heck, golly gosh darn it, I wanted to have the freedom to write as an adult.

I've tried various approaches and have had my moments but I'm here because I value the work of people like you, and drbj, and Merlin and all the others who know who they are :) Dang it, I loved that mule bit. I hope you don't go anywhere, but if you do, please let me know where so I can link up with you from my site. Meanwhile... deep breath.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@the blue star: I agree with you and I think the vast majority of folks who want to write here desire the same thing. I have no complaint with the people...great bunch of folks but the management is getting an attitude. Promise I won't leave without ya! WB

@Old Poolman...It would be a great loss to me as well, Mike. I have found a lot of friendships here with folks on both sides of the political aisle, and those who like the poetry and fiction. I won't be leaving unless it gets more unbearable. Then, I'll have to do some research to see what the alternatives. I am guessing that last piece got flagged because I mentioned Nancy Pelosi's collagen injected lips...HubPages in HQ in her home base of San Francisco. Thanks Mike.

@Merlin Fraser...I think you are correct, Merlin. I think it is automated and that is where the level of stupidity comes in. The keyword search becomes the justification. You would think that one might at least get a review by a human and maybe an explanation instead of just a warning with no recourse. Not that I give a damn about the money, they are making more off of me than I am making off of me but it gets to the principle of the thing. I'll hang around and see how deep it gets. Thanks much. WB

@Motown2Chitown...I agree...the opportunity for feedback and exchange is good and there are some really great and talented folks writing here...that becomes my hesitancy. I won't run off without letting you know! WB

rkhyclak...You did get shot at a lot Bekka and that becomes rather tiring. I don't write political commentary so much to slam the other side as I do to attempt stimulate some thought and exchange. If that exchange stays on a high plane, we might all learn something. Honestly, there is so much disinformation out here in the world today, we all have to work together to get any where near the facts. When I write to the political side, it is my passion coming to the surface and it is my fear that my country is on the skids that is driving it. My equation is simple...2+2 = 4...if it doesn't, I ain't buyin' it. I'll let you know if I head off somewhere else. Thanks, Bekka! WB

@Terri Meridith...I know what you mean. I too have written in a variety of fashions over the years and many of the genres have little fulfillment though they do serve good purposes in their own way. Actually I am amazed when I look at the top 50 writers here at any given time how few of them are fictional writers or poets. So many are specialty writers, or how-to writers. That certainly has an important place in the writing community but I am surprised that fiction writers are not more popular with the readers. That has been a big disappointment for me here on the Hub because I believe the element of imagination gets left out of the process too much when fiction falls to the side. I'll let you know if I pack up...for now, I am here hoping they leave me alone a bit. WB

@sheila b....Heck,Sheila, I was using you as my first line of defense to know when they were coming for me. LOL! Guess you slid under the radar! LOL! WB

mckbirdbks...Heck, politics has never been my primary concern for friendship and respect. We all have varying opinions and we all have something to say. As long as we can respect each other in doing it, then we all have the opportunity to see and hear the other side. I think that has value and I certainly value your opinion in that regard. I think some of my commentary might have landed a little too close to HQ in San Franciso for their liking when I referenced Pelosi. Guess I can kiss that money goodbye! LOL! Thanks much. WB

@drbj...The "pixilated images" was bugging me but to show up and warn me that my hub is being closed out of the revenue stream with no opportunity to fix it or to even know what they fixated upon is getting too much like a dictatorship. I'll stay for a while, Doc...just cause you begged me and I would miss your company! LOL! Besides, I want to be here when they start cooking The Frog Prince's oysters! LOL! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@SilverGenes...Oh in the end, Alexandra, I am likely blowing more steam than water. I have a lot of friends here and I do so enjoy the exchange in that regard. I will stick as long as I can stand it and that will be a while if things do not get progressively worse. I'll search around and see if I can find a picture of that mule! LOL! WB


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Truckstop Sally 5 years ago

What craziness!! Hubs would be the big loser if you capped your pens, packed up your typwriter, and moved elsewhere. Hopefully things will settle down -- and you can focus on what you do soooooo well - write - not pixels, ads, or collagen lips . . . OK! I bet you could write something very funny about lips. You have been such an amazing mentor, guide, commentator, supporter, entertainer, teacher . . . to so many of us. Don't go!!


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Truckstop Sally...For you, I'll stay until they start burning me with the cigarettes and trying to find out my sources. I could end up dressed in orange and living down at Gitmo...woo, rug burns! LOL! Thanks for the great words, Amy! WB


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toknowinfo 5 years ago

I am a big fan of your writing. I too would hate to see your leave. I can understand your frustration, and am glad you vented and educated us all. I hope the persecution stops so you can get back to what you do so well. I look forward to reading much more of your writings.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@toknowinfo...So glad to hear that. In fact, the encouragement that I have received today has invigorated me greatly. It is easier to fight with them when you know that some folks are still interested in what you produce...it makes the fight worth it. I'll hang in there for now! WB


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Wayne - Glad to hear you made the decision to hang on for awhile. We would sure miss you around here.


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Truckstop Sally 5 years ago

WB - Funny!! I could smuggle in a file in a cake -- or at least some Penguin. Imagine orange is your color! Ha!

Keep writing!!


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Christopher Price 5 years ago from Vermont, USA

Wayne-

Has it crossed your mind that, in one of the responses you made to a reader's comment, you suggested we "take 'em out and shoot 'em" when referring to members of Congress.

Red Flag? You should be checking your rear view mirrors for large dull American sedans with pairs of sunglass-wearing suits inside.

I don't feel that you are being persecuted. Whether inflammatory or flippant, especially in light of the recent shooting in Arizona, what you wrote was inappropriate and worthy of censure.

CP


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saddlerider1 5 years ago

Wayne even though I haven't been around to your hubs of late due to personal pressing reasons, I want you to know that I think your a magnificent writer of prose, politics, short stories, poetry and humor.

I would miss you terribly if you decided to cash in your chips and put your pony in the coral. Don't let them get to you, like Silvergenes recommended take a deep breath. This to in time will pass my friend.

If you do ever decide to pull up stakes please email me and I will follow you and most likely join you. I think it's very unfair what's happening to you. Many of us follow you and you are one of the best in here.

However stand your ground and don't back down for any site. I stand with you brother, cya soon.


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caltex 5 years ago

Wayne, I, too, consider you one of the best writers here on HP. I don't understand how ANY hub of yours could be flagged or unpublished. I only have admiration for your hubs and I have read many of them. It certainly will be a great loss to HP if you decide to leave. I hope you don't leave (I'm going to miss seeing Archie!), but if you ever do, I trust you will send a link where we can find you. Thanks much for all the great reads!


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Scarlett My Dear 5 years ago from Missouri

Amen, Wayne! I do hope 'Big Brother' is taking note of all of your followers responses here. Perhaps if they see just how many might follow you right outta here, they may wake up and take notice.

Your hub isn't the first that I've read recently in regards to Hubpages policies and their falling popularity. It concerns me to hear that my favorites are thinking about pulling their work and going somewhere else.

I agree with saddlerider, stand your ground. Though I don't always agree with your politics, I DO respect your right to your own opinions. You've seemed gentlemanly in them, as far as I've seen. What is the point of true debate if Everyone's opinions are not welcomed?


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Old Poolman...Glad that works for you, Mike. It's been a rather humbling day for me when I realize that I would be selfish to step away from folks who enjoy what I do...how much greater compliment can one person get? WB

@Truckstop Sally...Little Penguin works for me! Ha! WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Christopher Price...I am not claiming persecution Chris, I am just tired of guessing. As to the comments, I do not tend to subscribe to the formula that a rational person committed an irrational act out in Arizona because he listened to talk radio. If I did I would have to assume that the same thing must have happened when John Lennon was killed, when Reagan was shot, When Martin Luther King died, and when Kennedy was assasinated. At the same time, I do respect your opinion and I will say that you and anyone else can feel free to call my hand on a comment at any time. I am not here to offend and I am not here to play the game of political correctness and tiptoe through the tulips because someone had a theory about what happened somewhere. There are figures of speech that have been around for ages which I seriously doubt have been acted upon by anyone but suddenly we are all so afraid that we might ignite the hand of a killer with a single comment...I don't buy. Regardless I respect your opinion, appreciate you as a writer and I certainly would not take an action simply to offend you. At the same time, if these folks here at HubPages have an issue with a word or phrase...a statement, then they need to have to guts to contact the person and tell them what is wrong with their hub so they can make a decision to fix it, leave it, or rescind it but for God sakes don't make me sit here and try to guess. That's my point. My apologies if I have offended you...that was not my intention. Many thanks. WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@saddlerider1....Ken, this hub has currently been read 71 times since I posted it this morning. It has 7 usefuls, 2 funny, 4 awesome, and 3 beautiful. It started at a 50. The current score is 52. I can post a subject picture with a half-ass naked woman and be at 60 by noon with the same readership...something doesn't add up there. It's not just me. It's a whole lot of other folks that I think deserve more recognition and they are not getting here...they are just being passed over and they have some damn good talent. At any rate, if I leave, I first have to find another place to go and I have not done that yet. I have been humbled greatly by the words that I have read today and suddenly I feel very selfish to just take my things and go. A lot of folks have been very loyal to me here and very good to me. I have made a lot of friends and I really don't want to leave all of that for some other site. I plan on sticking things out for now. HubPages has the potential to be a very good writer's site but somehow they are missing the point with all the BS they layer on to form a pecking order which only creates distractions from a lot of talented people. Maybe one day they will wise up. Thanks for all your good words...you have always been there for me and I appreciate and respect what you have to say. I'll be sticking for now, I promise. WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@caltex...Thanks so much for those kind words. It is nice to know that there are folks here who do appreciate my writing as I have appreciated theirs. For now, I am hanging and trying to move past the upset. Your words helped greatly in that decision. WB

@Scarlett My Dear...Thank you so much. My politics probably don't agree with a lot of folks here on the hub. It is not my intent to smear them or to hurt their feelings. Normally, when I do write political commentary, it comes heavily from the heart because I feel the injustice that all political parties have wielded upon this country. Now we are at this juncture and no one wants to be accountable. They want us to shrug our shoulders and just go on with the status quo and that makes me very mad. It should make everyone in America very mad but apparently it does not. At any rate, I have a lot of great friends, supporters, and readers here and I feel it would be selfish for me to just pull the plug and go with my emotions over a few frustrations. I don't want to be that way and I plan on hanging in there and working for a resolution. I do so appreciate your good comments and I am humbled by them. I am not asking for much...let's just write, share it, and try to help each other get better. Thanks so much! WB


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Scarlett My Dear 5 years ago from Missouri

Sex, Politics and Religion! They'll heat up a room quicker than snot ~ or clear it!

So many have quick fuses on this subject, because there is so much that stands to be lost for this country. Unfortunately, the center of that tug-o-war rope isn't budging. In fact, it's fraying in the middle. Even my husband and I are often on different sides of this issue. Fortunately, we both hover somewhere toward the middle and are willing to hear each other out. We both want the same thing. We just sometimes have differing views on how to get there. It's a good thing we're sleeping together or we'd never get anywhere! (; *joke* I think this is where I am supposed to throw a little God in the mix to cover all of the bases on my original point. What was it again? Oh, yeah! Sex, Politics and Religion... Hurrrah!

You're awesome, Wayne. I'm glad you're trying to make it work.

~Your Fan, Scarlett


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Scarlett My Dear...Thanks so much Scarlett..your humor just played a tune on my funny bone but your point is so well made. Maybe we should all be sleeping with each other! LOL! Maybe then we could talk about things and hear each other better. I still believe that all true Americans really still want the same thing at the heart of the matter and as you say, we differ in our ideas as to how to get there. Knowing that makes America still America...anything less would be disappointing. I certainly do not want to destroy America but I dare not give it to the Socialist and Communists to save it. Thank You! WB


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

I don't get it either. I also wrote hubs that began with a 50 (all of them) and now sometimes they drop to a 48. This is a place for writers, not photographers, so I don't see why people who take their own pics are rewarded. Why not use one from a site as long as it's legal and helps to make your point? I think many of the hubs that won were poorly written, only a small percentage were actually good. Several were about recipes, a subject the powers that be told us to stop writing about. They did say to use lots of maps and graphs, and that seems to be what won, any hub with 4 or 5 maps, even if one was how to get to the bathroom if you needed a break from writing..........kidding. Was the contest a diversion? I thought the HP people's clicks made money for us when I began, so was confused. Now it seems impossible to make any money. I hope you don't stop writing/.


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Christopher Price 5 years ago from Vermont, USA

Wayne-

There is no reason to apologize to me. My sensibilities are not so easily offended.

Though I don't share your political views, I defend your right to rant. I can choose what I read and what to comment on. I've lived long enough to know there is little to be gained by interrupting someone who is preaching to the choir.

I agree that the hubpages modus operandi is mysterious and flawed...writers receiving meaningless scores assigned by inexplicable algorithms. What is the purpose of an artificial pecking order when none of us is in competition with anyone else?

Whatever problems hubpages management has with anyone's hubs, they owe it to the writers, the content creators, to alert them to the specific problem with honesty and clarity, and to allow them an opportunity to edit the piece or seek another venue.

Hubpages management must realize that writers are creative people accustomed to speaking freely, to whom censorship is anathema. Hubpages supplies nothing but the framework, the community is made up of the writers who choose to publish here. And it is the community that keeps us coming back.

I hope these incidents are resolved and that they are not indicative of the way hubpages will be run in the future.

I expect you to fight the good fight, and I look forward to reading more of your work. I, (and 469 other followers), will miss you if you leave.

Write On!

CP


SilverGenes 5 years ago

Wayne, the hub I posted earlier today has had 60+ views and several ratings and is now up to a magnificent 52 as well. It also tells me there are no keywords. According to google, there are lots of keywords in just the right number. I checked. The Suggest Links tool now only works if I select the possible link word myself by highlighting it. I don't have time to guess here and there throughout an article that is over 1650 words in length. If it is not vastly improved by tomorrow, I will just remove it and post it elsewhere. It's just too much work to do for poor ratings. Recipes did far better but you know, I kind of wanted to write. This is VERY frustrating but oddly enough, it fits with the theme of my latest hub (no, not a blatant plug lol).


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SilentReed 5 years ago from Philippines

I enjoy reading your articles especially your political views and it would be my lost if you should decide to "pack up".

A short story I wrote "Jack's midnight visit" contains about 16 "sh.t" word, with a couple of "bit.h" and "f..k" words thrown in. I believe using those words in the dialog was essential in conveying the main character's frame of mind.But since our articles are open to automated reviews, it obviously got flag. ;)

Please don't get me wrong.Principles should be non-negotiable But having live through a dictatorial regime here in the Philippines where journalist and writers were jailed or worst simply disappear makes the Hubpages "censorship" a slap on the wrist.


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mslizzee 5 years ago from Buncombe County, NC

Please don't leave, we need you. I wrote a hub entitled "The Rape of , so and so, " and it was immediately removed. I changed the title to "The attack on . . ." and it stayed on. I am surprised that I haven't been banned from HUB altoghether because I never let up on the Islam creep. Anyway, don't leave OK?


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

Great hub Wayne. I concur. I've had hubs pulled for "vague reasons that will not be explained". No human contact.

It bolsters a theory that aliens have indeed taken over.

I hate political hubs.

But- stifling the "freedom of speech" urinates me off.

I don't have so many "freedoms". Money IS FREEDOM!

But a man ought to be able to SPEAK!

To deny this right to speak is TREASON IN ANY COURT!


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

Wayne, here is what I don't understand about HP. They say they want to upgrade articles being published. I say Bravo! to that. However, who are they going after? The best and most popular writers on this site! The biggest mystery to me is that when I publish a hub on political commentary (and you know which way I lean) my score can be a 97. Within hours, my score can plummet to 92 (as it is as I write this comment). I don't consider myself as one of the stars on this site. I am not. However, the nitpicking is starting to get to me also. I feel they are digging their grave, so to speak, with this nitpicking of hubs that they, apparently, don't agree with due to the politics involved.

Even before I read this hub, I have been thinking of moving on. I got an email from another site (more established, which is starting to invite people to write articles and get paid slso). I'm going to send you an email about it in case you are interested. I don't mind being flagged if my spelling or grammar are bad on a particular hub. I am fanatic about that, however. What I do mind is if I'm being flagged for my political viewpoint. This is still a free country (somewhat anyway). There are many other venues in which to practice freedom of speech. This site is becoming less and less one of those sites.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Wayne, you are easily one of the most talented writers on hubpages. I know exactly how you feel. I can't understand why hubpages is so vague when they find a problem with a hub. Clearly, it's deliberate. My daughter jellio was writing on the site and doing very well. She is incredibly funny and gifted. She too started getting messages about pixels. This was followed by complaints that her writing was too personal!!!!! Needless to say she now writes on WordPress. Please hang in there Wayne, without you, your fine writing and the pleasure of your friendship I will be lost.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Jean Bakula...I had always thought that the score went down because someone or a few people out "hub hopping" came across it early on and scored it down. That is okay from my perspective but if it takes 75 readers to move the score two points up from 50, why can a number far less than that drop the score by two points or more? I have stayed away from the contest writing because I don't care for all their rules regarding packaging, etc. I have yet to see a writing contest here that appeared to be judged primarily on the written content of the piece...when that happens, maybe I'll join in. Endurance contests have been held challenging people to write 30 hubs in 30 days...hell, I wrote 300 hubs in 10 months...an average of 30 hubs for 10 straight months...totally unacknowledged because it was not occurring within the boundaries of a contest and they had no way to measure it. Yet they can find an an inflammatory word or phrase in anything you post. Luckily, I write for the fun and feedback from others given that my efforts have brought me the towering sum of $10 over the past 14 months. Thanks for the feedback Jean! WB

@Christopher Price...Thanks much, Chris. I tend to agree with your views here and like you, if something does not sit well with me I always have to option to use the on/off switch and take it out of my life. I appreciate the comments! WB

@SilverGenes...I guess what you point out is the difference between the people who look to optimize the site and make money off of it and the ones who actually want to write and grow in terms of skill. The focus seems to be on the former rather than the latter and like you I have neither the time or the interest to figure out how to "game" the system. On that point, maybe the site would be better suited as a "marketer's paradise". Thanks for the good words. WB


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Silent Reed...I see your point and hope we don't get there here in America. My frustration really lies with the fact that HP wants to alert you to the point but fails to make the point offering the writer no recourse except to guess or rewrite the piece...not good communications. WB

@mslizee...I'll hang in there and stay with you guys as long as possible. Maybe someone will hear us eventually and fix some things. Thanks much! WB

@Micky Dee...Political correctness will eventually do away with free speech, Micky...it's just a matter of time. Thanks for the support and the great comments! WB

@Writer David...One only has to scan the weekly newsletter to see the subjects the staff and management are focused on here at HP. I seldom, if ever, see a fiction writer get plugged in their Hub Nuggets...they stay with "neutral" subjects which keep the broth clear. I will look for your note. I would really rather that you not leave. I can remember your first hub that I ever read about the tornado and I have been reading you ever since. You bring a lot of reasoning to the table and I don't see anything that you do which would fall into the discourse of cruel or rude. I think that all of us, as writers, sometime lose the focus in the passion of the moment and get caught up more in the emotion of our content than the framework in which it was conveyed. On the one hand, don't agree with me, but give me some points for getting my point across if you feel that I did. I think we see that when someone writes a poem or a fictional tale or maybe even the accounting of a vacation trip. When the writing turns to religion or politics, we forget the process and turn entirely to the emotion. Thanks, David...I will look for your note. WB

@breakfastpop...One thing this experience has taught me over the past couple of days, Poppy...I sure have some good friends and supporters here on the Hub. On that basis, I don't think it would be fair for me to just drop out, in fact I think it would be selfish and I would miss the people. I'll be sticking around for now and hoping things improve in some ways...besides, I would miss breakfast with you each day! Can't do that! WB


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Amy Becherer 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

One of the avenues I value the most is the adult participation and audience. I understand the dynamics in boundaries. I've never read anything you've written that,in my opinion, required auditing. You are unique, very creative and outspoken, yet maintain decorum. You have all the attributes of a great writer. One of my favorite writers, Ralwus, left without a word not too long ago. Hubpages lost a great writer and innovative thinker. The hub is less for this loss. I hope you stay, but each individual ultimately retains their right to, at least, call the shots with their choice to participate or move on. Hubpages can't take that power away from anyone. As a well-loved, highly followed, extraordinarily talented participant here, your leaving would be a monumental loss.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

To me, hub pages is very much like a library. There is row upon row of things to read, and we have the choice of what we select. If we find something at the library we consider offensive, we merely close it up and put it back on the shelf. We don't carry it up to the librarians desk and demand that it be removed from the shelves so nobody can read it.

Given the right to censorship, hub pages would have thousands of publications the said virtually nothing. I can just imagine all hubs beginning with "Oh look Jane, see Spot run."

Now wouldn't that be interesting and exciting?

Thanks for staying with us Wayne.


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poorconservative1 5 years ago

Great Hub Wayne,

I am torn by the fact that I don't want you to leave because I enjoy your political commentary, and always learn from it and the fact that I don't think that you should stay and put up with anybodies crap about what you write and the way you express yourself. Actually I find you quite reserved in what you write. There are a lot more radical voices out there than yours. And some of them are on HubPages. Have you been to the forums? The only thing that I can think of, is that somewhere along the line you may have knocked a chip off of someones shoulder and they have never forgotten it. But I too, like your other fans, put forth the request that if you do decide to pack up and leave, please leave a forward to where you will be writing so that I can continue to enjoy any commentary that you see fit to publish.

Thanks

Chuck


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

WB - I'm sorry you're just going to have to learn to ignore the HP flaggers. I just can't let you leave. That's all there is to it. Now you just put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Look at the hub score sore - now your up to a 55 on this one! Haha! WB - I am very good at spotting patterns. I went to this ritzy hotel with a bunch of sleep doctors for high tea (now fancy that!) the hotel, I believe was The Brownstone. This hotel had these I intricately carved metal rails that went from the floor to the top of the hotel. One of the odd things that was noteworthy were that during the construction of the hotel - they put just 2 of those rails in backwards. Now I'm not sure what all they talked about during lunch but before we left I found both of those bacwards rails. The docs were amazed I'd found them that fast. To me - it's just the pattern - they stuck out like sore thumbs to me. It's not a very useful talent but it's served me in funny ways. HP - I can't find any patterns at all. For instance I see really awful writing (and it could be mine too!) but it gets rewarded with high hub scores. Grammatical errors, typos, wrong use of tense or wrong uses of words (like their, there or they're) still - those hubs will score high. I will go to bed and my score is a 92 wake up to an 89 when I didn't do anything! Ha! So here's what I'm wondering - who makes money on hub? No one - except hub I suspect. If your score drops isn't it jarring? Yes so of course we start getting on here more, writing more which leads to more comments and more money for who?

I just haven't found a pattern that seems sensible so I'm guessing. I really don't care about the score anymore. I only care about the people that are kind enough to read what I write and give me pointers or offer new ideas. I've decided I'm not just spinning my wheels here - it's people like you that inspire me. So keep on shakin' what your momma gave ya WB!


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Discussing sex, religion, and/or politics is always risky. All we can do is try to stay away from these subjects until everything irons out. And it will. Keep on writing, WB.


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tlpoague 5 years ago from USA

I think you should stay. I am not one for politics, but have enjoyed reading some of your hubs about it. I have found that I'm not one that has much to say here, unless something like this comes to my attention and I would dread seeing a terrific writer leave. When I started here, I thought it was for the money, turns out...I haven't made a dime until this month. Instead I have focused on trying to be a better writer, hoping that people will like my work. I think you are doing a great job and are terrific at what you do. Don't let those panties get into too much of a wad and waddle out. I would hate to see you leave. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I wish you the best of luck!


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A.A. Zavala 5 years ago from Texas

Well, what can I say. You were one of my first legacy hubbers to visit my hub along with ralrus and lalesu. Your encouragement allowed me to become more creative, and your example set the bar high, but not so high as to be condescending. You must do what you have to, just hope you don't have to leave.


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mckbirdbks 5 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

It has become obvious, we need a writers Union. :)


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

Well Wayne first of all, I hope you stay. Period. No matter your opinion or anyone else's it would be nice to hear it all and I truly hope this forum is a basin of free speech. I've had some pretty hard hitting comments directed at me on some of my hubs that I didn't particularly like but I left them up because thats the free market of ideas and I want to understand the other side... Hopefully the hubpages folks feel the same way.

I've also had a couple of hiccups with my hubs and the moderators and I privately emailed them and everytime they were able to steer me in the right direction. None of it involved content and I've dropped the F-word on here more than once. My score dropped to 33 and I contacted them and it was because I had followed too many people. For whatever reason they don't like that so I dropped my follows to around 25 or so and my score climbed back up to 95... I don't profess to understand everything but I really hope they aren't moderating you closely because of political beliefs... I think there are some strong opinions around here and I've seen some real bible thumpers and agressive atheists so they seem to let the battle rage... anyway you are a real talent and your presence here lends credibility to the rest of us so as I said earlier: I hope you stay...


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Amy Becherer...You have hit on the most important part Amy and that is the great people here and there is a tremendous about of talent to enjoy if you can find the time. I miss Charlie (ralwus) a lot. He sometimes badgered them because he felt they wanted to crush his creative bones (sincerely felt that way) so I guess that I cannot blame him. I think I'll just have them throw me out! LOL! WB

@Old Poolman...You are so correct, Mike. I do it every day here on the hub...just like pulling books off the shelf. WB

@poorconservative1...Thanks Chuck...I'll be hanging in here for a while. I do try to share my conservative views in a way that teaches as much as anything else. I don't expect a tidal wave of converts but if I can make a person think for themselves enough to at least stop and consider my points, I feel that my writing has been successful. I truly believe we are in greater trouble in America in many ways than we have ever been before and I believe we have to change that diretion soon if we are to survive it...for that I am passionate. WB

@RealHousewife....I am sucking it up right now, RH! LOL! What was I thinking? I like your example about the patterns....always look for the exceptions and the rest will take care of themselves in most things. Inquiring minds want to know! LOL! Thanks for your support and loyalty...I'll be sticking right here! WB

@Austinstar...I know they are and I am really not a controversial type of guy who goes around looking for fights...sometimes the stupidity level just plain out overwhelms me and I cannot help myself...I have to speak out and hope the world joins me. Thanks for your encouragement. Though it is not making money, "American Fool" is currently riding the top of my chart for score...that makes me happy! WB

@tipoague...Thank you for the encouragement. I have had so much great feedback I would feel like a heel to leave now even if HP keeps treating me poorly! LOL! Thanks much! WB

@A.A.Zavala...The past year has been a long climb up the ladder. I remember the first time that Laura sent me over to read one of your stories...she told me that you wrote with a passion and a depth that was real...she was right. I had not written my tenth hub as of yet back then so I was shaky to say the least. It was a good year here though...lots of friends like yourself. I learned a lot about others and myself too. For all that I am truly thankful and for all the support I have had showered on me in the past couple of days, I am truly humbled..that's the greatest thing about the HP...great people, great writers! Thanks, AA...WB

@mckbirdbks...How much will the dues be Mac? LOL! WB

@The Suburban Poet...Thanks for the support and encouragement. I probably would have taken it all in stride if they had just simply told me what was wrong and asked nicely if I would fix it. Instead, they simply issued a very uninformative warning and demonitized the hub...thanks for nothing guys! I'll be sticking until they throw me out. My friends have shamed me and encouraged me to to stay...can't go! Thanks much! WB


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The Suburban Poet 5 years ago from Austin, Texas

Well, just to follow-up, I figure all good things require a bit of work and I try to give the administrators the benefit of the doubt. They have some sort of mission or idea of what this place is to be about and I guess there are folks who use Hubpages for other purposes (to attract attention to other sites I guess to make money). So it appears they have statistically figured out what is suspicious and even if it's an innocent thing on your part you get swept up in the profiling that goes on... links are frowned upon... short comments/hubs are frowned upon... too many follows are frowned upon... it just took me some time to figure out by rote (as opposed to true insight on my part) what they don't like.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Wayne,

Is it possible that trolls are making silly complaints? I notice that sometimes my overall score, and the score on the one Hub I wrote so far, sometimes bounces up and down. I know "Vote Downs" can do this, but if these people are also making complaints to management, the problems could obviously escalate (like the removal of your ads).

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Stu From VT: Stu, my best guess is that it relates to the overall score on the hub and the amount of activity that it is getting...ie visits per day, per week, etc. I have hubs which do not show up on my profile and are not visible to anyone unless they google me that fall down into the mid 40's range for no apparent reason other than low activity. At some point, those hubs might have topped my scoring list for a few days. That's my best guess...down scores play into it but I think less than the "activity" factor. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Wayne,

You may be right about the activity factor as far as scoring is concerned.

I think your "missing Hubs" are actually easily accessible. Look at your profile; you'll see Recent, Best, Hot, More. The "More" category should have links to the lower scoring Hubs.

Stu


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Hm.

Perhaps HubPages should put out a newsletter explaining itself. All sorts of Hubbers seem to be having new problems.


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Mimi721wis 5 years ago

Hi Wayne, We don't always have the same political views, but I think you are a fine writer. I have noticed other hubbers make the same complaints regarding the scores and talents of others. I used the terms gay, lesbian, and f@g in a hub. I wasn't calling names. I just wrote it hurts to hear those words and adsense automatically stopped. I had the hub reviewed and adsense was added back to the hub. Hang in there.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Well I'll be sticking around right here too WB!


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C.A. Johnson 5 years ago from South Hutchinson, KS

Hi, Wayne.

Congratulations!! You have reached a point where you have outgrown HubPages. You write intelligent, witty, and articulate articles and stories above and beyond the eighth grade level. It is time to consider other venues, self-publishing, and writing on spec and possibly earning a paycheck for your work.

As writers we all outgrow our fledgling arenas. When we reach that point those small ponds start finding flaws in what we say and how we say it. I admit that I haven't written for HubPages in some time, mostly because there are better arenas suited for my voice. I believe that there are other places more suited to your voice. So keep HubPages for your comfort zone but start expanding into the unknown. You're a good writer and there are so many people out there that are waiting to hear what you have to say.

Well done, Wayne.

P.S. Don't take the moderators personally, they have a job and are just doing it. Like many of us, they are simply human with personal view points that color their actions as they try to conform to a predetermined set of guidelines laid out by the people who employ them.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@WillStarr...They put out one every week Will but most of the people here don't even know it. I attempted to get a reading on their rules the other day for a friend and could not even find them posted anywhere. Communications could be a lot better. WB

@Mimi721wis...They didn't offer me a review Mimi...if they did I missed the button. Thanks for your good words and sharing your experiences, I appreciate it. Obviously automated systems do not have the ability to judge intent...just absolutes. WB

@RealHousewife...I'll be looking for you too! LOL! WB

@C.A. Johnson...Thanks for the good words. I am open to suggestions if you have recommendations. I am always willing to try something new and see how it works for me. I have a lot of friends and supporters here and I feel compelled especially after the discussions of the past couple of days to continue to write in this venue. But...I certainly would not mind exploring other ideas. Drop me an email. Thanks for your support and you make a good point about the moderators...we all have to make a living. WB


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suziecat7 5 years ago from Asheville, NC

I hope you hang in there, Wayne. I do believe the powers that be will fix this mess up eventually. Plus as you can see from the above, you would be sorely missed.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@SuzieCat7...You are so right, Suzie...I owe a debt of gratitude to a lot of loyal readers here at the Hub who have been very supportive of my readings...even when they did not agree with them politically. As long as they want me around, I'll try to stick it out. Sometimes I get too wrapped around the axle on principle...just my nature! LOL! Thanks for your good words! WB


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Beata Stasak 5 years ago from Western Australia

Dear Wayne, I am happy you are still here as I learn so much from you, I often visit your site although not always leave a message and rely so much on your useful advices. I am used to 'political correctness' being brought up in a communist regime so compare to that everything seems 'still ok' with me....nevertheless to say I hate any censorship and I hope you are not right as I love hubbpages mostly because I can find so many similar minded people I would hate to loose them...please stay if you can:)


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@Beata Stasak...I'll be hanging in here for a while, Beata. I realized that a lot more folks that I knew enjoy my writing and that makes it worth the effort to deal with some of the other issues. If I can make people think, then I feel that I am finding my purpose. Thanks so much for your encouragement. WB


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

You spoke for me when you wrote: "Note to HubPages: If you know what is wrong, why not share with me, so I can fix it!" No s***t Dick Tracy! Instead of keeping us guessing, I am with you: tell us what is wrong so we can fix it, for gosh sakes. I had to rewrite one Hub four times before it was OK. In the end I replaced the first person with the third person—and that is what did it! They could have saved me a lot time but simply saying so.

You are right to note that they demonetize politically incorrect Hubs. I have four they have done this to that simply state the traditional American view of the world, completely unradical.

I hope you stick around. Your writing is great! And you are good man.


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas Author

@James A Watkins...Thanks for the good words Jim. There is a certain amount of artistry that goes with writing. Sometimes we purposely choose a "pixelated" image to point out that things are a bit hazy...they don't see to get that up at HQHP. On the last pass they made on me, they hit me on four but did not unpublish them and were very specific as to what was wrong. I didn't bother to rewrite the one hub they demonitized as I cannot bring myself to remove the reference to Nancy Pelosi collagen-injected lips...it tears at the roots of the piece. I'll be a round but I'll probably continue to bitch about things! WB

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