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Never One To Go Quietly!

Going quietly has never been a personality trait that has been used to describe me. Recently, I joined a liberal political news site and sent them a couple of articles that I had written on Hub Pages. I cross-posted to Hub Pages, hoping to do two things: one, increase readership of my articles and two, introduce myself to a wider audience. The articles were picked up by dozens of liberal (progressive) blogs and my readership went up three-fold on Hub Pages. If the articles were not accessed via HubPages, they were accessed by way of the news site that I joined. My Hub Pages profile address was written on the articles I had submitted.

Ownership of my articles was never in question. They are mine. They are my thoughts, my ideas and my work. I make no money from Hub Pages. That was never my intention. My intention was to write, plain and simple. To write about things that interest me: the health care field so fraught with fraud, the political arena so filled with secrets and lies, cooking, saving money, living on a budget and about advocacy for those less fortunate or ill-equipped to advocate for themselves.

Within a few days, the two articles that I had posted on the news site were removed from Hub Pages as duplicate content. I received a letter from the Hub Pages team saying that my articles had been removed. Part of the letter went like this:

Dear Jillian Barclay,
"Your Hub has been identified as a violation of our Terms of Use. If this is the first time you've gotten an email like this, don't worry! You'll have an opportunity to fix it.

Problem: Duplicate content, including:
* Text that appears in whole or large part on another site, even if you wrote the text or retain the copyright.
* Text that already appears in whole or large part on HubPages.
* Text copied from multiple sources.
* Substantial similarity to another work. This includes close paraphrasing, among other forms of misappropriation or copying of content (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substantial_similarity for more information)..."

They were right!

  • The text does appear on Hub Pages because I wrote it!
  • The wording is the same because I wrote it!
  • It does have a substantial similarity because I wrote it!


Finding My Writer's Voice and Almost Losing It!!

It is difficult to begin writing. I put in many hours of research on most topics. I want each piece to be fact-supported and relevant. I attribute quotes to their proper sources and I link to other publications that support my conclusions.

I had decided to stop writing for awhile until I determined what the best course of action would be. But then, as they say, I received an offer that I could not refuse. No, not from Hub Pages, but from another site.

I will continue to write on Hub Pages, but most of my political commentary will appear somewhere else. They do not have issues with cross-posting. I can submit to them and cross-post as I choose. As soon as I firm up the deal, I will update my Hub Pages profile page with a link. I hope to help the website grow and at the same time become another voice for the progressive community. The future is too important to sit back and allow corrupt voices drown us out.

The Decision To Stay or Thank You, Peter!

This morning I received an email from Peter Lumetta. If you don't know him, get acquainted. He is a certified gemologist, originally from Detroit, and now living in Thailand. http://hubpages.com/profile/PETER+LUMETTA

He wondered where I had been, so I told him what had happened. He is to be blamed for me staying, so, to all of you Tea People, send your hate mail to Peter...Sorry, Peter, had to--couldn't help myself.

I will also not revise my two articles. They are mine and they are out there on countless web sites.

Because I am not one to go quietly.

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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

I know what you mean jillian. I am also getting tired of having my original work be controlled by unknown people for unkown reasons. I am beginning another search for a place to write and post my original work. I didn't sign up for adsense or any of the so called money making options here on hub pages and have no interest in making money. I wonder if those who post hubs that are slanted to the right also have this problem. It seems that everyone who I have heard complain about this tends to lean towards the left. Is hub pages actually owned by Murdouche?


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Stump,

I know that you have been having issues. Check out the links to the articles I submitted to another website.

Hub Pages has too many rules, at this point. Others may not agree, but if you own your work, you own it. Or are we wrong?


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Stump Parrish 5 years ago from Don't have a clue, I'm lost.

Obviously we are wrong. Not sure how but it does seem to be the case. BTW, congrats on having your work accepted. Also I need to point out that most of my hubs has been released. Perhaps if you complain enough yours will be also.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Thanks Jillian! But I'll take the responsibility if it means you'll be around. You are the conscience of this club and we need your input. As for HUBpages, get over it. If the rules are wrong then fix them! Don't give me or Stump or Jillian the "We were only following orders" crap, It didn't work at Nueremberg and it it don't work here. We all need to support our freedom of the press and our Writings. Tell HUBpages what you feel. Love you Jillian and I'm with you. Peter


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Jillian I been trying to send you a comment on OpEd for an hour and I still don't know it got through. Anyway I am also signed up there so I can write there too. It will take a little getting used to. So many options! Oh and Thanks for the mention in your HUB, That ought to get me some fans. Peter


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Nan Mynatt 5 years ago from Illinois

Thanks for speaking out about the new rules, I took some of my writing off hubpages. Some were poems and others were too short or not what they wanted. I have not make any money throuh hubpages, I am wondering how the others make money. I enjoy writing and have published one book, and several books of poetry. I enjoy reading what other are writing about, it is enjoyable. Practice makes perfect, so keep writing! Donald Trump ran for President for publicity only.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Peter,

Oped notified me this morning that you had signed up and left a comment on the article. I hope that soon you find it easier to post And yes, want to see you get a bigger readership, wherever you are...


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

I am glad you are staying Jillian. Take me with you if you leave. These Hub rules are becoming outrageous. Luckily I have not yet run afoul of them. I have bookmarked this Hub so I know where you are righting your political articles.


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amillar 5 years ago from Scotland, UK

I got the impression that Google imposed much of the changes. I suppose it's understandable that the management of Hubpages should roll over, under those circumstances - if that's Hubpages main source of revenue.

I doubt if it will be long before the freedoms we enjoy on the internet will disappear one way or another. It's not hard to imagine the pretexts either.

All the best anyway - I always appreciate your work wherever.


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randslam 5 years ago from Kelowna, British Columbia

The beauty of HubPages was ownership of one's work. Management needs to do some research and see publication dates--instead of just warning electronically.

If our original work is ours--and we publish it elsewhere later--there should be no problems. Repetition is the best form of emphasis.

It's these "duplicate" issues that are causing HubPages the problems today. If we own websites and blogs, duplicate stories from those sites and create our own hubs--isn't that legal? They are our works--HubPage Management is going to have to decide how they want to deal with actual writers--with actual careers--that actually have to write and publish in various places to make money.

Monopoly, anyone? HubPages needs to be careful...as do all writers. A complicated planet, yes, but solutions should be easier to find than just warning an author not to duplicate one's work...ugh.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Nan, I think we are all echoing the same frustrations. It makes no sense to me. Ownership of our own creative writing must have a new definition that few of us understand. I am sorry to hear that you also are having issues.

Dear HSchneider,

I always tell you that you should submit to the NY Times because I believe that your work is intellectually superior. You, my friend, would have no problem becoming a sought after writer. Check out the news site I did. I am telling you, the first two articles went all over the place including Buzzflash. The progressive site I joined has over 800k readers per day, on their own, not to mention the other sites that link to it...Just take a quick look...


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Amillar,

You are my view of the world beyond U.S. borders. You are always up to snuff on global issues and you see them through eyes that I lack being here in the U.S.

I also believe that the internet has become a powerful tool for people to communicate world wide. Countries, including the US are making and have made attempts to block internet access to certain sites and news sources. It is the old, "How can we control the little people if we allow them to know what is REALLY going on?" Sucks, doesn't it?


Fay Paxton 5 years ago

Jillian:

This place pisses me off...too many rules. I can appreciate that they might want a timed exclusive, say 72 hours, but to determine that your work can only appear here is ridiculous. Afterall, they don't buy it. Don't get me started.

up/useful and awesome


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

Thanks Jillian. I checked out the site and was very impressed. I signed up for their newsletter and I'm seriously considering submitting something to them. Hopefully I do not catch too much flak from the editorial board here.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Randslam,

Exactly! You said it best! If you want to promote yourself as a voice, promote! Many people do have online businesses and sign up for Hub Pages as a way to promote those businesses. If Hub Pages desires articles that only promote merchandise or computers or items sold on Amazon, change the topics that you are allowed to post.

Bottom line-you own your writing...

Dear Fay,

Have decided that I am going to fight this with HP. Have had a migraine all weekend due to this crap!

Thanks, Fay! If you told me I was wrong, I would have reconsidered- Hope you know how much I value your opinion!


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear HSchneider,

Your work needs to be read by all!


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Credence2 5 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

Thanks for sharing this, Jillian. I have long given up trying to make money here. It is more my obsession with writing. I don't want to lose you. Hub Pages does not make money unless they profit from ads on their article site. What is it that they say "Never Rub Another Man's Rhubarb". Financially it works for them, but not for us. With pride in my work, I want to obtain a larger readership, but it cannot really become commercial unless I am allowed to spread my wings. They never seriously intented for you to make any money if they are going to keep you in a box Stay in touch, all the same


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Terry.Hirneisen 5 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

Well it looks as though Fay is gone. Not sure where you stand today. I only check in occasionally as these are busy times.

I do write with the idea that I should make some money. Writing is fun but it takes time from my other obligations and if it doesn't pay then I can only afford a little of it. I am not independently wealthy and my wife requires my assistance. So a few hours every so often is all I can afford.

If you hang your hat somewhere else I just need to know where that is and I will be around.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Terry,

Fay has gone. She has her own blog called The Pragmatic Pundit. She is also writing on OpedNews, as am I. Will call you this weekend.


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chefsref 5 years ago from Citra Florida

Hey Jillian

I already miss Fay, hope you stick around.

I've had a couple of hubs rejected as being duplicates, this happened in the first day or two after publishing. I deleted the hubs, waited a few days, changed some keywords and re-posted.

They have all been accepted. I'm not sure if that applies to what you do. I think this "duplicate content" thing is determined by robots not people because the changes I made to get them published were trivial. The Russian food hub is one that was rejected as duplicate but I researched every term and corrected many of the definitions that were posted elsewhere, thus whoever, or whatever is looking for duplicates is not going in very deeply


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Terry.Hirneisen 5 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

I have given this some thought and I come down on the side of HUB Pages. I like the idea that if you see an article here the reader knows it is the only place they can find the article. It makes HUB PAGES a more original web site and hence more attractive. If I ran HUB PAGES I would continue that policy. It is unusual that I do not share your opinion so on this rare occasion we will just agree to have distinction of different views.


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Terry,

We will have to just disagree...That is okay, we all have different opinions. Be a boring world if we all agreed on everything! Part of the reason I like you so much is that you have such strong opinions!


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Dear Chef Lee, That was part of it, but Fay and I actually had our articles posted on some political websites, so a little different. Wanted a wider readership and actually it had built up my HP readership by triple- Fay, too.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Hi Jillian I cought Fay on her Blog and it's easier than OpEd. I still having a hard time with it, maybe because I'm in Thailand? Pete


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Jillian Barclay 5 years ago from California, USA Author

Hi, Peter!

Could be, but I have noticed that the page takes some time to load, too.

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