Will there ever be peace in the Middle East? I asked my students in the class

Searching for the real world

Seeing in media and reading how people are affected by dire situations - war, uprising, famine, refugee crisis...
Seeing in media and reading how people are affected by dire situations - war, uprising, famine, refugee crisis...
the same way they have been affected in the past and the same way it looks they will be affected in the future....
the same way they have been affected in the past and the same way it looks they will be affected in the future....
With every new generation we dream about the better world and the better future for all of us...
With every new generation we dream about the better world and the better future for all of us...
Looking into a newborn eyes we dream about peace and prosperity and we promise to walk long and hard, together to find that paradise....
Looking into a newborn eyes we dream about peace and prosperity and we promise to walk long and hard, together to find that paradise....
What does make us to stop in midway never reaching our destination?
What does make us to stop in midway never reaching our destination?
Next time take roads less travelled, we always presume the other path would have been better.
Next time take roads less travelled, we always presume the other path would have been better.
As we get older we regret our mistakes, opportunities not taken, loves lost, wrong turns. Not my man. I toast his health and I make another decision.,
As we get older we regret our mistakes, opportunities not taken, loves lost, wrong turns. Not my man. I toast his health and I make another decision.,
To follow him on the road less travelled, the road of acceptance. Do you have a decision or choice you regret?
To follow him on the road less travelled, the road of acceptance. Do you have a decision or choice you regret?
The roads of racism and hatred, would you express your outrage to the racist/ the oppressor in question? If you are like about 80 per cent of people, you will remain passive and let the ugly moment pass...
The roads of racism and hatred, would you express your outrage to the racist/ the oppressor in question? If you are like about 80 per cent of people, you will remain passive and let the ugly moment pass...
and you will be even less troubled if you know and like the person. Bystander effects are more powerful than biological impulses.
and you will be even less troubled if you know and like the person. Bystander effects are more powerful than biological impulses.
Australians, after Canadians are among the least racist people on the planet according the UN. A survery of 12,500 Australians shows that fewer than one in ten believe there are superior or inferior races, or that people of different races...
Australians, after Canadians are among the least racist people on the planet according the UN. A survery of 12,500 Australians shows that fewer than one in ten believe there are superior or inferior races, or that people of different races...
should not marry. In Eastern Europe, parts of Africa, the Middle East and Asia taht figure soars to between 30 and 50 per cent....
should not marry. In Eastern Europe, parts of Africa, the Middle East and Asia taht figure soars to between 30 and 50 per cent....
The term racism encompasses much more than just skin colour or anti-Muslim sentiment. You can not think about the past and ignore religion.
The term racism encompasses much more than just skin colour or anti-Muslim sentiment. You can not think about the past and ignore religion.
It was such a fundamental and mind shaping, driving force for pre-modern societies. I am very interested what religion does to us...
It was such a fundamental and mind shaping, driving force for pre-modern societies. I am very interested what religion does to us...
its capacity to create love and empathy or hatred and violence....how we use its interpretation or misinterpretation to suit our own purposes to get a better chance in life....
its capacity to create love and empathy or hatred and violence....how we use its interpretation or misinterpretation to suit our own purposes to get a better chance in life....
I have always believed the most unconscous biases can be overcome through education...but is the education enough to change our path to self destruction?
I have always believed the most unconscous biases can be overcome through education...but is the education enough to change our path to self destruction?
The peace in the Middle East is our test, because we are all involved in 'that mess' even if we do not like to admit that...so far we are failing, how many more chances do we get?
The peace in the Middle East is our test, because we are all involved in 'that mess' even if we do not like to admit that...so far we are failing, how many more chances do we get?

Imagine it is up to you

to find the solution

to bring the peace

to the Middle East

25 eyes look up to me

some serious

some mischievous

some just plainly uninterested...

It is too much to ask

of year seven

I have already heard

the principal's voice in my head.


'Let's see how clever you are,

it will be a group work,

so you can not fail

and the ones with the best answers

I will take to meet my two friends

one from Israel

and one from Palestine..."

I said too eagerly

and kids picked on it

really fast.


"So that means no school for a day, Miss?"

"To meet them for what?"

"In your house?"

I heard their shouts.

I put my hand up to silence them.

"They come to school so you will have a chance

to talk to them about the countries

we have learnt so much this year in Social Studies about."



They sighed and shook their heads,

their bored expressions warned me

that I have to try harder to keep their interest up.

"They will cook some great food for you to taste

and bring some music on...

and yes it means one day off the school for you."



After brief summary of the situation in the Middle East

and what the word 'peace' means

we talked about how to work cooperatively.

Then they were divided

into five groups

and each gave a big sheet of paper

to brainstorm their ideas,

but there was a trouble from the start...


We stack the tables together

and kids lined up

to pick up their place.

"I don't want to work with him..."

"She is just too slow..."

"I want to work with my friend not with her..."

Their complaints went unheard,

they knew that,

but once I pointed for the first group to sit next to window

they started again:

"It is not fair, one of them is my desk,

I always sit there..."

"I wear glasses I have to sit near the window..."

"That is why the first group always wins..."



I pointed for the second group to sit

where our i-pads were stored,

the rest of the class went ballistic:

"Do not let Michael to sit there Miss,

he is just too good on i-pad, he will cheat..."


Michael got red in his face

and tried to wrestle the accuser

to the ground.

Meanwhile the kid with the glasses

ran to the student sitting on his chair

near the window

and slapped him hard across the face:

"This spot is mine."


I took the whistle and blowed it hard.

That was the signal for everyone

and they stopped

some looking down ashamed

and some victorius,

the injured kept crying out loud

so everyone could hear their just complaints,

but no one really cared,

the attackers kept whispering:

"It was your fault, anyway."


Kids lost their right to sit on chairs

they ended up sitting cross legged

on the floor

just like year one

but

no more peace

in the Middle East,

as there were more pressing issues

for us to discuss.


The rest of the lesson

we spent

learning again

about the right and wrong,

the 'me' and 'us',

what is fair and what is not,

if winning by unjust means

is still a win,

and how easy

it is

to find an enemy

and start a war...


On my next parents' meeting

I have brought up

the unanswered question

from my failed experiment

to see what reaction I get.

"You are a great teacher but too idealistic

if I may say,"

the father of the boy in glasses laughed,

"I am very proud of my son,

he has just defended his right,

at least I can be assured

he is ready for the real world,

anyway,

'about that peace in the Middle East',

who cares about that?

Better you teach them something that help them to succeed."



I was the shooting star

of idealism

he was the dark matter

who drained

my energy

the perfect example

of an idealist

who went to war.

The crucible destruction

of a human soul....

whose world is real,

his or mine?











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Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

Well, I believe the Bible, and it does say there will be peace, but it will be a false peace. I will have to read this again to be sure that is correct.

God bless. In His Love, Faith Reaper


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you, my fellow hubber for your kind response, hope there will be peace once and not a false one:)


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Maybe one more thing needs to be adressed, we like to rely on our God when situations tend to be out of our control, how convenient it is to shed our responsibility on someone else, especially someone up there whose miracles may save us all...or may not, but it is not any more up to us....when we finally realize that if we can not save ourselves from ourselves, no one can...


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Lastheart 4 years ago from Borikén the great land of the valiant and noble Lord

Beata Stasak very good article and experience as a teacher. If you have a time read these 45 Bible verses titled "Peace in the Middle East". I am sharing this hub. http://www.openbible.info/topics/peace_in_the_midd...


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

You did a great job in pointing out that everyone wants to argue about everything except the real problems.

No there will never be peace in the Middle East. No body involved really wants peace.

Looking at Gaza as an example Israel keeps expanding in areas where the international community, with the sole exception of the US, condemns and which Israel signed a treaty not to do. Those who are displaced continue to strike back as best they can, though their rockets aren't much more than toys compared to the unlimited arms of Israel.

But the Palestinian "leaders" also know that they have no real value in a peaceful settlement. So every time there is any real step toward peace they start firing more and more rockets knowing full well that Israel will over-react. So the dance of destruction goes on forever.

Of course Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and most of the rest of the regions will be little more than warring tribal zones in the future until someone comes along, like a Saddam Hussein or a Gadhafi, comes along who manages to gather enough physical power and is ruthless enough to use that power to make everyone stop killing each other and build a country.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow hubbers for your valueable inputs, just like with everything that we human 'create to protect and fight to keep' the Middle East issue is not black and white...and it slowly becomes more and more irrelevant who is right and who is wrong...the only thing that is clear that no one will win...


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JimMiles 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

What a great and ironic object lesson, recounted with Beata's usual poetic grace. Thank you, from a fellow teacher who has been there, with uninterested students and clueless parents.


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tobusiness 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

A very strong message here, there will always be beautiful shooting stars unfortunately, the world also seem to need the dark matter. I feel depressed every time the Middle East kicks of. It does seem like there is no answer to this problem. Both sides are so entrenched in their belief. It will take great wisdom, and the willingness to listen to solve the problem, I do not know if we will ever get there, but I pray that we will.

A brilliant article, well done.


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Dr Billy Kidd 4 years ago from Sydney, Australia

I loved the story.

And in a way, the father might be right: What about peace in the U.S.? Hatred seems to be the new family value. Why are one quarter of all the prisoners in the world locked up in U.S. jails? Why look 6000 miles away for problems to solve? There's plenty of conflict here.

The U.S. is involved in the Middle East because of the oil. That's what the fight is about. Seem like the kids in your classroom could understand that, fighting over the things they want.

I know you cannot talk truth about these things in class or you'd have a parents' rebellion. But it's just a thought.


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teaches12345 4 years ago

What a great share. It is nice to know that Candians and Australians are so open-minded when it comes to accepting other races. You have opened the minds of these students to what the world needs: peace.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Like always, my dear fellow hubbers, my thoughts about the peace in Middle East and among us started another great discussion. I am very happy that my little writings encourage so many people to open up and share their opinions on this 'difficult subject'. Thank you for your encouragement, for your honesty and for your advice...yes, you are right, I have used a poetic form that allowed me to simplify the characters to highlight the issue I wanted to reflect on, but we are too complex human beings living in a complex world so there is no side that is completely right and the other one completely wrong....peace means that they realize that and would be willing to meet somewhere in between.....


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phoenix2327 4 years ago from United Kingdom

A very interesting experiment which produced a microcosm of what's happening in the Mid-East. People claiming it's unfair, others taking by force what they feel is rightfully theirs, still others innocent victims crying out for help. I would hardly call this a failed experiment.

I hope the irony wasn't lost on the students.


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IS1820 4 years ago

Very interesting way of presenting the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Lets just get down to fact that no one above seems to know or want to see. Borsia commented on Israel expanding - I think that a look at history is in order - Israel is not expanding anywhere - he is referring probably to some small and insignificant settlements that when an if an agreement comes about will be dismantled. Israel left Gaza unilaterally with the intention that the Palestinians begin self rule. Instead the Hamas violently overtook power with the declaration of destroying Israel. All their efforts and funds went into getting missiles. They then began firing these missiles at Israeli's southern cities . This has been going on for 13 years. The Hamas have been holding their own population and southern Israel at hostage. Israel has shown more patience than any other country in the world. Let me ask all those reading this - what would your countries and armies do to any country that bombs and fires missiles at your cities with the only aim of killing citizens - woman and children? You would as history shows , show no mercy or restraint. Some of your armies would just wipe out the "problem". Israel has the highets code of conduct in the world with regard to actions that the army can or cannot do. It has lost many soldiers because of this when the terrorists fire from behind and within civilians.

Israel has offered the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank peace a number of times - from the autonomy agreements with Egypt, through the Madrid conference , the Oslo Accords and so on. The answer has always been no to all offers (which included returning over 95 % of the territories and land concessions for the rest). To make matters worse - the Islamic Fundamentalism has risen and is taking over in most Islamic Arab countries, as well as having great influence in Turkey. The world, and most people think that this is Israel's problem - it is not. Israel is the Arab excuse , as has always been, for causing unrest and violence. This violence will affect all of the world - the Arabs control Oil, and they have a different outlook on life. For the fundamentalistic Islamic Arab - life is worthless and killing others and their own is not a consideration at all. The West need to understand this.

Israel cannot loose a war - the Arabs who have such vast territories can. Israel cannot loose - and why . The answer to this is the difference between the Arab enemies of Israel who want to wipe it off the face of the Earth and Israel - Israel after taking over the territories in 67 , built and developed the region. The Arabs will just destroy and kill all Israelis.

By the way - all of the world is so involved in a tiny country smaller than most big cities whereas and cares not for the slaughter in Sudan, elsewhere in Africa and the hundreds killed each day in Syria. Bit hypocrtical wouldn't you say?


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JimMiles 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

I was wondering when some Israel-Hawks would be flushed out!

In contrast to IS1820's view, I offer my own, in the much better words of others. Five links by four authorities on the Israeli-Palestine conflict to set beside IS1820, and then decide what you want to believe about it all:

1. Juan Cole's top 10 myths about it: http://www.alternet.org/top-10-myths-about-israels...

2. Noam Chomsky's impressions from his recent October visit to the Gaza Strip: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm

3. Jimmy Carter's comments about it in a recent interview: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elisabeth-braw/jimmy...

4. Chris Hedges' framing of the issue within the broader global economic picture: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/11/19-0

5. Finally, a 2009 research piece by Chomsky which, while somewhat dated, unfortunately speaks accurately to the present situation in too many ways, since not much has changed since then (includes his 79 footnote citations): http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20090119.htm

As IS1820 says, looking at history is in order. Your view of the present Palestinian situation will, of course, depend upon where you begin your timeline. If, like the breathlessly pro-Israel mainstream media you always and only begin your look at whatever Palestinians (who never are characterized as such; always "terrorists" or "militants" or "civilians") are supposed to have done to kick it off, you will come to their conclusions, which look very much like IS1820's.

If you care to look further back, and deeper in, consult some of the links above, and make up your own mind. You don't have to take sides, necessarily (Israel vs. Palestine); but you owe it to yourself to be informed beyond the American Corporately-controlled "news" media.


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IS1820 4 years ago

Hi Jim

Sorry but you got it all wrong - I am no Israeli Hawk - and have never been flushed out. I am the reality of the Middle East have always been the reality , and not even right wing in political views.

You refer to literate gibberish from Juan Cole - Israel is not expanding and this last year has officially distmantled illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The only building going on is in the large cities in the West Bank that will remain with land concessions given to the Palestinians as has been offered numerous times. Other building is in Jerusalem which is Israel's historical capital long before most of the worlds nations ever evolved.

Jimmy Carter is not exactly a pro-Israeli politician and would prefer to see Arab dominance.

Regarding Timeline - we could go back to real history and then please let me know who and what the Palestinian people are other than Arabs who have been living in this region and forever been ruled by various conquerers from ancient historical times up till now. Palestine is not even a name of a country but the Roman name given to this region because of the Philistines living here. The modern Palestinians are no descendants of these Philistines. Israel in fact is actually recognizing this entity of Palestine which history does not.

The situation in Gaza is I agree terrible. It wasn't always like this. Under Israeli rule everything was abundant.

But - why do you not even once in your comment remind the readers that Israel pulled out of Gaza, there was no blockade and the Hamas began firing rockets into Israeli cities for 13 years aiming to kill woman and children.

Answer the following - if you are bombed for even 1 day what would your reaction be. The US has waged war on nations not even threatening it's borders , only it's oil supply. (By the way Syria has no oil so is not interesting) So what would you do if someone constantly fired missiles at you, or I will make it easier - your neighbour continuously throws rubbish and stones onto your house, hitting your children every now and then? Would you react or just let it be? Take into consideration that there is no one who will help you solve the issue and its only up to you, no police, no courts only you.

I stated facts above - Gaza was given the opportunity to be totally self ruled. They chose violence.

Israel does not control all it's borders or crossings. The blockade is only against weapons - all the rest is transfered through. The reality is that Gaza was reliant on Israel for jobs and there were numerous factories in Gaza producing for Israel.The Hamas decided to go for violence , try and annihilate Israel.

Israel now wants separation and cannot afford to allow any opportunity of suicide bombings again.

Are you aware that Israel supplies the Gaza strip with fuel and electricity, even throughout the last conflict. Are you also aware that serious medical cases that Palestinians have , both from Gaza and the West Bank are treated in Israeli Government hospitals as well without any charge to the patients.

The people of the region want peace - the Hamas do not. It's just that simple.

Hamas is terrorist organization that took Gaza over violently killing at first Palestinians . It has a rule of terror that it seems many "righteous " peolple are condoning. Would you condone Al Qeeida and Bin Laden, "they were freedom fighters attacking the US because of US involvement in wars in the Middle East" . I doubt you would define them as such, and I certainly wouldn't, but condoning the Hammas regime is just about the same. Living in Florida in the US is as far away as the reality of the Middle East as talking to an alien on Mars.

To make it simple - to achieve peace the Arabs have to recognize the State of Israel. Hamas will not and is trying violently to cause as much harm as possible. The Palestinians in their charter in the West Bank still have not yet recognized Israel, but are looking at building a country and for the moment not spreading violence. The Middle East is in a turmoil with fundamental Islam taking over, threatening not only Israel but world peace. Israel is an excuse as has been since the State of Israel was declared.

Why don't you travel to Israel to see for yourself. By the way - you live further away from Miami than Gaza is to Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem.

I also suggest you read a Hub that I have just published - maybe there you will see what and who the Hamas are and what they are doing to the people living in Gaza and in Israel.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for your heated debate, my fellow hubbers, happy to see your enthusiasm and a deep concern for this tiny part of the world.... and yes, there are other countries and other pressing issues...and yes, I have used the classroom environment and the parent's involvement to show that 'our emotions that trigger our behaviour that end up in actions we take' is just the same in a small classroom as it is in a world stage'.....


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MsDora 4 years ago from The Caribbean

"The shooting star of idealism?" You are so talented in poetic skills; I can only guess that you are as great a teacher. Your kids are blessed to have your example of passion and focus. I really like your work.


Antoine Van Hove 4 years ago

The secret of the world, is that it lies within us. All we see and experience is of our own: It are our judgements. Our feelings of guilt. Our fears.

Only if we accept that fact, face it, accept total responsability for it, and start loving it (and most of all love ourselves - BTW: I am not talking about becoming narcistic!) we will find solutions. Love will heal us.

Within.

All other attempts are futile. And ignorance.

There is no division between you, and the world you experience.

It IS you!


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, MsDora, you are very kind:) Thank you, Antoine for your thoughtful input, everything starts from us...the world we live in starts within....B


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swordsbane 4 years ago from Wisconsin

I offer this comment on the current conflict in the Middle East... in the very words of the Islamic Resistance Movement:

"Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences

[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the probl

em. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers?"

"There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad."

There will NOT be peace as long as language like this is accepted.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my dear fellow hubber for writing your heart out, for writing what you really believe in. It is not you and me on two different sides, it is not them and us, it is only US...we are all people of one planet Earth, we are all believers, dear my fellow hubber, because we all believe in something worth of believing....we are not perfect, none of us, we are not always do everything good and everything right, yes you are right they are so many oppressed people and it shouldn't be...they should be able to live peacefully on the land of their ancestors...but our Earth is not a big patchwork to be divided among Islamists, Catholics and other religions...our Earth belongs to all human beings. I believe in peace and justice and my ancestors are rainbow of nations and religions, I do respect and love my neighbour or any fellow human being crossing my path (physically or methaphorically) and strongly believe in justice and rights for everyone, but it doesn't make the one who tells you what to do or how to live your life....does it make me less person than you? Does it make me your enemy? Does it make me the unbeliever you hate? All the best my fellow hubber, wishing you only peace and happiness:)


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hawaiianodysseus 4 years ago from Southeast Washington state

You have a very special and unique way of painting the canvas with your words. I liken your literary style to the art of Salvador Dali. What I think is real melts into that which is metaphorical...once your reader gets acquainted with the figurative, he is abruptly transported back into reality. Captivating, to say the least. Thanks for sharing!


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

You put me very high indeed, on the piedestal of those immortal artists who changed forever the perception how we view the world...if the 'scattered images in my mind' manage to 'wash over you' and help you to see more clearly the hidden path to place we all really want to be...I can not ask for more:)


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robie2 4 years ago from Central New Jersey

A most pertinent and profound piece of writing and thinking, Beata. How lucky your students are to have a teacher like you. And how lucky I feel to have been a fly on your classroom wall via this Hub. Idealism vs practicality-- the truth is we need them both. We humans always grovel in the mud, except for a few who can see the best in us and who are brave enough to reach for the stars. Our past is in the mud, but our future is in the stars. Bravo Beata for having your eye firmly on the future.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, robie, I am very fortunate to have such responsive and good willed readers, I am humbled by your description as I am just like everyone else 'grovelling in the mud' but sometimes I just close my eyes and dream about the world 'above the everyday mundane struggles for survival...above the muddy fields of our everyday mundane existence...'


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arb 4 years ago from oregon

Well Beata, we have another character trait in common. We suffer from idealism. The world needs its dreamers, those who see and wonder why not, what if and if only. I am an idealist who understands the constraints of realism. It isn't that they are incompatible, it is rather, which will lead. Idealism is a worthy leader and realism a worthy facilitator.

My idealism sees peace in the middle east. My realism doubts that it will ever escape the emotional trauma seeded in centuries of broken rubble. An exercise where students confront the complexities of such world problems is in my opinion, as worthy an endeavor that as any good teacher might propose. It is from such places we learn to care, to want and to think of a better world. Do not forsake your idealism, there are enough pragmatist in the world to carry us into the next millinium.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, dear 'arb' for your encouragingly beautiful comment, I have noticed from your comments on my 'reflection on capitalism and compassion' that we are ones from the same pod and that also means to be constantly questioned and asked to defend what you believe in...which is not a bad thing after all as it helps you to grow, learn and evaulate yourself all the time...

Anyway it is too late for me to trade 'my idealistic traits' for more worthy ones, as my mother used to always say, my parents, the communist system I grew up in and also my communist teachers tried hard to change me but to no vail...

Comparing communism with capitalism which I enjoy now, I have to admit the most pragmatic people live in communist countries, because they have already lost all their ideals, the only thing they really care about is to survive...look at China now, the perfect symbol of communist pragmatic survival skills and capitalist greed in full swing....


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Borsia 4 years ago from Currently, Philippines

Beata; I lived in China for 2 years and still work there on occasion so I have some idea of what I’m saying.

The Chinese still have ideals, spirit, and free thought though limited access to outside information. They are for the most part happy and believe in their government.


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for sharing your valuable information, Borsia, always happy to learn something new:) I have live in the Eastern bloc and studied in Russia and although people seemed happy and believing in their government to the outsiders, they were disillusioned and their spirits were crushed 'if you dared to look under the carpet '...I have many, many friends from China living now in Australia with me and I hear their stories that are so similar to mine...but of course there are so many people and all of us have different ideas what freedom and happiness mean:)


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JimMiles 4 years ago from Orlando, FL

An updated Noam Chomsky article reflecting on November's events in the Middle East, and his October visit, speaks from the perspective of the majority of the world, as represented by the majority of the U.N., which just upgraded the status of the Palestinians (to great U.S. protest):

http://www.alternet.org/print/world/noam-chomsky-w...


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Beata Stasak 4 years ago from Western Australia Author

I love Noam Chomsky, thank you for that, Jim:) Very useful link for everyone:) B


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Suhail and my dog 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

Very interesting and very creative hub. What a nice read!

For young kids, I would try to inculcate love of humanity and all other God's creation including animals, plants, earth, rivers, forests, mountains, deserts, so on and so forth. If the children of today start loving God's creation then they will never be violent in their later lives.

On Palestine-Israeli issue, imho, religious extremist is to blame. Extremist Muslims (e.g. the Jihadis), Christians (the neo-cons of Karl Rove, Bush, Cheney era), Jewish people, etc. think that their way is the only way. All of them believe that in order to get to salvation, you have to make things happen the way they are scripted in Old Testament, Bible, Quran, etc. All of them (and their different sects and denominations) think that they are God's chosen people and only their kind is going to land in paradise. Needless to mention, if everyone thinks that only they are right then all of them can only be wrong.

So again in my humble opinion, our goal should be to discourage people from moving towards political-religious Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc.


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for your genuine insight, Suhail, you talk from your experience and from the bottom of your heart....B


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IS1820 3 years ago

Suhail you are correct about the political-religious extremism. Yet you lack to actually see what is the issue of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians in their manifest still do not recognize Israel within any boundaries. This is an existence or non - existence issue for Israel. The two states besides each other is accepted by the majority of the Israeli public (which is the only true democracy in the area) . The sad thing is that it still will take a long time for this to eventualize. It is not happening because of any religious Jewish fundamentalism. They are a small minority that when the time comes will be disregarded. It is delayed by lack of leadership on the Palestinian side, the "Arab Spring" in the Middle East as well as the uprising of the Hamas and their violence from Gaza (which Israel unilaterraly left) which have taken a toll on current Israeli leadership causing it to sit on the fence and wait. Another issue that you say is not correct - the Jewish religion does not mean preach for salvation or getting to paradise. This is not an issue with the ultra religious. Their deeds are govened differently but that is another complex issue.


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Suhail and my dog 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

ISi820,

I see that you are supporting Israel the best way you can and I respect you immensely for that.

Sorry, but I consider Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud party under him as an extremist right wing Israeli party.

Have you ever considered why the tension is escalated with the Palestinians when their elections are near?

Have you also considered why Israel is slowly and gradually becoming isolated?

Are you questioning the minds of all those countries (which now include all notable European, Asian, and African countries)? The only two notable countries now supporting Israel are the USA and Canada, and let me assure you the neo-Con Harperites are coming under fire at home for doing just that.

have you ever considered why is there an affinity between Israelis and the extreme right wingers?

As regards your argument "the Jewish religion does not mean preach for salvation or getting to paradise", may I suggest reading about 'the Chosen People'?

Best regards,


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IS1820 3 years ago

Hi Suhail

Let me get you some facts - Netanyahu is right wing but not central and extreme and just for history it was the Likud that recognized the PLO as the Palestinian representatives in the Madrid conference, and it was Netanyahu who gave the far reaching Hebron concessions. It was also the Likud leader Begin that initiated peace with Egypt and began the peace process with the Palestinians in Camp David with the autonomy agreements, and it was Sharon who wanted to try and move to a permanent settlement by pulling out of Gaza with the intentions of self rule as well as free skies. The beginning of a country and then the Hammas came.

By the way there was a survey in Israel today in which 67% of Israelis voted for the 2 country peace settlement, and another suprising fact from this survey was that 58% of the Likud voters also voted for the 2 State solution

Isolating Israel is a trendy thing at the moment, and comes and goes all the time. It is more a political news item than actually happening.

Tension is always escalated near elections - the Palestinians want a left wing government into power. This does not mean they want peace - the right wing governments make peace, left wing are more security prone. Weird but thats life.

You mention notable countries - I think you need to study then global situation more closely. Europe is at the moment trying to fathom out what to do with all the immigrants especially Moslems. The Middle East is becoming more fundamentalistic and this threatens world economics. Why I asked you about notable is because those notable countries you refer to bombed Libya, (there is oil in Libya) , but do not even bat an eyelid when over 40,000 Syrians have died in a bloody civil war , many of them woman and children, killed by Assads army. Or is it Israel's fault as well?

The sarcasm is because it is convenient to blame Israel for all Middle East issues.

You mention African notable countries - a continent with more massacres than can be imagined, Asia - more disregard of Human welfare and rights .

I seriously suggest you study more about Israel and it's values before you comment so superficialy. I understand that it comes from the heart , but unfortunately Israel has to live with these untruths and so does and have the Jewish people since Bible times.

Just an insight - if any western countriey was attacked or it's armies confronted by any type of terrorism there would be no stopping the subduing of the population. Yet the Israeli army, which has the highest and most strict moral code worldwide treats each incident carefully, and if anyone is out of line they are court martialed. many soldiers feel they need lawyers with them.

Israel is the Middle East's excuse for almost anything.

Take a look the following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63hTOaRu7h4eteh . It is Prager University on You Tube - it may enlight you to the MIddle East situation.

By the way - what would you do if you were constantly threatened and attacked. What will your reaction be? Lie down and die?

The world is hypocritical, all of it, a collection of interests of money and power. By the way do you have any idea of the size of Israel and have you ever thought of why so many are so concerned about Israel while atrocities all over the world are constantly happening but are of no interest.

On the matter of the Chosen People - by pointing this out and then disregarding it you are basically undermining the faith of the 3 monolithic religions - Judaism, Islam and Christianity. It is part of the Bible and does not bring paradise. The mission that the Jews were given by being the chosen is to be "Light to the non - Jews". It is a burden , not a way into paradise. And - where do Islam and Christianity originate from?

You should travel to Israel - see, learn and be suprised.


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Suhail and my dog 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

ISi820.

I see where you are coming from. I don't want to lock horns on one specific matter in my life. I can post a number of links and I noted earlier that Jim Miles has already made a note of the fact that Israeli hawks will be there sooner or later and he has posted a number of links too.

This discussion is not going to go anywhere and I don't want to hijack this excellent hub.

We can always agree to disagree and move on to more important things in our lives.

Sincerely,


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IS1820 3 years ago

Hi Suhail and lucky dog,

You do not really see where this is coming from. I have not posted my ideas or political visons. I agree with you in what you say regarding your ideas of the ideal world and that without religion and politics with narrow views we would all live in a better world.

Unfortunately this is not the case. The powers of evil, fundementalism together with economical issues (oil) are unfortunately on the upper hand.

I am not a Hawk as you said- just someone living in a reality that it very hard to understand by someone living in a country without a constant threat of annihilation, without the reality that at any time a missile may land suddenly on your head, and with this also knowing that the solution is 2 states and because of narrow politics and the cynical use of religion this is years away and a lot of victims.

The Middle East could be paradise - it is far from it due to the violence. Yet within this violent crazy area Israel prospers - it is no. 3 in the the worlds start ups - high tec and biotechnology, there is no aircraft or space mission without Israeli made parts, it exports agricultural knowledge to a large no. of African and Near East Countries, is one of the few countries with sapce program and has launched sattelites into space, is the world reserve chess champion 2012, has a strong stable economy and is the only real democracy with true freedom for all its citizens - of whatever faith. This is all internal - nothing to do with any conflict

I don't want to comment on Jim Miles . The world is full of blind individuals living in their own built realities. Not saying all is dandy and no irresponsible and harmful actions have occured. We all know they have. But they are far and beyond and not the norm.

I sincerely suggest that in order to understand a visit will not only change your mind but leave you in awe.


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Tom Koecke 3 years ago from Tacoma, Washington

What an interesting experiment that produced a microcosm of the problem. I fear there will be no solution as long as humans are more motivated by things like greed, envy, vengeance, sloth, gluttony, vanity, and lust than they are by concern and generosity.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Socrates was executed for trying to get people to live on a conscience plane rather than a conscious plane. More recently, Benazir Bhutto was assassinated for the same reason.

We really haven't learned much, have we?


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Not really, Tom but we can not give up on ourselves, can we? Thanks for visiting, you are very kind and observant, thanks for your insightful reflection...B


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Windtraveller 3 years ago from The Netherlands

Wow, tough crowd, 7 year olds... But really the same thing happened with a group of likeminded, peace loving idealist at a game called the world game. The assignment was to "barter and trade so everyone would have the most resources". The thing is, we didn't pick up on the everyone, instead, when we were devided into groups/nations we decided that everyone was pretty much our group.

The game put us under timepressure as well and then the most amazing things started to happen. People went from nice to rockhard negotiations, some groups even had a civil war over the nickels we had as resources and pandemonium broke out. In the midst of all this and 1 minute before the world would end, someone stood up and said: what if we all pooled all the resources and devide them equally, we'd have no need for negotiations. She was howled down... We have a lot to learn. And these were peaceful people.

The lesson I learned that day is that it's too easy to see someone else as an enemy and it's kept me alert to that for the rest of my life. Of course I fail regularly, but we're learning aren't we? I hope you find a way to have those 7-year olds learn the same lesson. Too easy to go into animosity, it takes effort to forgo your own selfinterest and look at the larger picture.

Great hub.


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Yes, we have a lot to learn, too easy to go into animosity, you are right, because we are just very unforgiving and suspicious bunch...so we just need to keep learning how to open our mind and accept that the world doesn't end in our own backyard....B


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DDE 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

Interesting of the way approached this poem. Certainly you got to the pint and said it all.


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you, my fellow hubber, like to tackle the difficult unanswerable question of our time in creative way, happy I have succeeded in this one:)


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whittwrites 3 years ago from the Philly area

Another great poem, I enjoy how you take a situation and give advice while at the same time creating beautiful poetry. I love to write poems but yours seem to flow so elegantly. You have a great talent. Keep up the good work.


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

thank you so much, my fellow poet for your encouragement, I have found my own style that suits me and somehow it became easier for me to follow my inner voice, the words just flow out of me and take their own route across the page....


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pramodgokhale 3 years ago from Pune( India)

Yes

There is no peace in middle east. I worked Saudi Arabia long back, these comm unites are strictly follow religion and commandment. Unfortunately all these nations have oil wealth but leadership including Egypt , Syria, and other are highly corrupt and economic boom and prosperity never trickle down to grass root. this is the dilemma and most of the nations ruled by non-democratic regimes and people have no say in development. These regimes are not knowledge oriented and do not promote democracy and Israel is thorny issue here and can be settled by negotiations only.

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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for your insightful comment, very appreciated:) Have a nice day wherever you are and keep commenting it is always useful:)..B


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for your insightful comment, very appreciated:) Have a nice day wherever you are and keep commenting it is always useful:)..B


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Beata Stasak 3 years ago from Western Australia Author

Thank you for your insightful comment, very appreciated:) Have a nice day wherever you are and keep commenting it is always useful:)..B


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grand old lady 2 years ago from Philippines

I hope there will be peace in the Middle East. Every country deserves it.

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