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Andrew Spacey says
I read somewhere that the stuff produced by Basho wasn't haiku. That he was a progenerator of haiku, in the same way that Turner is considered a progenerator of Impressionism.
Many serious haiku poets realize the syllable count is wrong. The 5-7-5 syllable count was taken from the 5-7-5 Japanese "on" sounds of traditional haiku which is more like 12 syllables in English.
Matsuo Kisaku (Basho)- 1644-94 - is recognised as the first great haiku poet according to Lucien Stryk, translator of On Love and Barley. Basho took haiku to another level, Nature being his theme.
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Thank you for your answer. It's sad to see that Hubpages' definition of haiku is wrong. smh You raise some excellent points in your answer.
There is also some really good poetry on this site (and some very knowlegeable writers).
Absolutely, I did not mean to indicate that every poem here is substandard. Quite honestly, there are many well-written hubs (poems articles etc. here) but there are also many poorly written hubs.
I know I just spelled knowledgeable wrong, oops. I've just seen so much criticism of poetry on Hub Pages. I'm a little over sensitive about it.
Yes, absolutely there are all levels of poets here. I didn't take duffsmom's comment to imply that there is no good poetry here, but I'm glad that's been cleared up explicitly. The best thing about Hubpages is the ability to share and discuss.
And of course poetry is really subjective. When I first read William Carlos Williams, "A Red Wheelbarrow," I thought "what?" It took me some time to appreciate that little gem.
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