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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    I feel like we, a writers site, would be remiss not to mention that this day, in 1963, CS Lewis, the amazing British author, went on to be with his Maker.

    He is one of my all time favorite authors, and I would guess many feel the same. Responsible for legendary children's literature, fiction and amazing spiritual commentary. He is incredibly quotable. I thought we could post our favorite Lewis quotes? They need not be religious quotes, this is just one of my favorite.


    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."
    C. S. Lewis

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      savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "Talk to me about the truth of religion and I'll listen gladly. Talk to me about the duty of religion and I'll listen submissively. But don't come talking to me about the consolations of religion or I shall suspect that you don't understand."
      - C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed

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    SongofTheSaintsposted 3 years ago

    "If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world."
    C. S. Lewis

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That was the one I was trying to find and couldn't. It's my favorite... thank you! smile

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream.
    C. S. Lewis

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    SongofTheSaintsposted 3 years ago

    Mine too! You are welcome.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art... It has no survival value; rather it is one of those things that give value to survival.
    C. S. Lewis

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    "The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All the worst pleasures are purely spiritual: the pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronizing and spoiling sport, and back biting, the pleasure of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me competing with the human self which I must try to overcome. They are the Animal self and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. That is why a cold self righteous prig who goes to church regularly may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But of course, it is better to be neither. Pg.103 Mere Christianity. C.S. Lewis

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That was beautiful, thank you Kathryn.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither.
    C. S. Lewis

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    "According to Christian teachers, the essential vice, the most evil, is pride. Unchastity, anger, greed, drunkenness and all that are mere fleabites in comparison: it was through pride that the devil became the devil: pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind."
    He goes on to explain the nature of pride:
    "Now what you want to get clear is that pride is essentially competitive--is competitive by its very nature-- while the other vices are, so to speak, by accident. Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more of it than the next man. We say that people are proud of being rich or clever, or good looking, but they are not. They are proud of being richer or cleverer or better looking than others. If everyone became equally rich, or clever, or good-looking there would be nothing to be proud about. Its the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest."
    Pg. 122, Mere Christianity by C.S.Lewis

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He was so wise, don't you think?

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He was so wise, don't you think?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Oh, very!  Did you know that he was unanimously elected to the Chair of Medieval and Renaissance English at Cambridge University?
    Thanks, Beth, for this post.  (I like your new avatar.)

    My brother just sent me Mere Christianity, published in 1952. I have been amazed reading it! I like his views on forgiveness:

    "However much I might dislike my own cowardice or conceit or greed, I went on loving myself. There had never been the slightest difficulty about it. In fact the very reason I hated those things was that I loved the man. Just because I loved myself, I was sorry to find that I was the sort of man who did these things. Consequently, Christianity does not want to reduce by one atom the hatred we feel for cruelty and treachery. We ought to hate them. Not one word of what we have said about them needs to be unsaid. But it does want us to hate them in the same way in which we hate things in ourselves: being sorry that the man should have done such things, and hoping, if in anyway possible, that somehow, sometime, somewhere he can be cured and made human again."  Pg. 117

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Have you read Screwtape Letters or Ode to Joy? That was about the passing of his wife... dealing with grief. We all grieve some kind of loss. Sometimes we push it down over and over till we think it's not there, but I spose it always is until we allow ourselves to feel it. My husband says feeling it can bring us closer to God, but stuffing it down just hurts us in the long run.

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        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        No, but I will check them out. Thank you. A far as feelings being stuffed… I think to stay in touch with your true self and God, you have to stay in touch with what you are feeling.
        I really recommend this book, Mere Christianity! In it, he said he used to be an atheist, but had become a Christian at some point.
        ... on page 25:
        "All I have got to is a Something which is directing the universe and which appears in me as a law urging me to do what is right and making me feel uncomfortable when I do wrong. I think we have to assume it is more like a mind than it is like anything else we know--because after all the only other thing we know is matter and you can hardly imagine a bit of matter giving instructions."

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It's a great book. Ive started it twice but didn't finish it. I had little ones at the time and I found the book took more concentration than I was afforded at the time. Ive been meaning to finish it. Thank you!

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            ...after being exposed to all the atheists around here, it might make more sense to you now and provide some ammunition, as well! smile  (I don't bother anymore, though... much happier not arguing with atheists.)

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't wanna shoot em, I wanna speak truth in a civil manner. lol
              Im pretty flawed though. What I need to be reading is my Bible. It has the power to change a heart... sharper than any two edged sword. smile

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                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I have been reading the first book in the New Testament and am really amazed that here was a man who came to earth to bring us love from the realm of heaven and his own disciple blew it so bad.  Reading about Jesus anticipating the consequence of being betrayed, really makes you cry. (And yet he knew he had to go through, what he would have to go through!)
                Strange also: The authors stress that his father was from the lineage of David, even though he did not provide the genetic material.
                ( It would be nice to start a thread to discuss Jesus' life and ministry without the naysayers. I guess I could go to another site, but once I light upon an a great site I tend to stay exclusively.  Do you recommend other sites that one could go to, to just talk about Jesus?)

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Ive been to a few. Its very hard to find any that trolls wont show up at, but there are some that are very well moderated... maybe what you need is a bible study with some sweet women?

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                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, you are right. Thanks. Real time, real people, about reality. What a novel idea!

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    I bought some melatonin... I thought maybe I should sleep more than 5 hours a night. It seems to be kicking in... either that or Im tired, if that's true, i probably shouldn't have wasted money on the melatonin. See you tomorrow... good talk. smile

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      - melatonin helps your body get into a sleep cycle. Once you're back in sync stop taking it. Your own body produces melatonin. Have faith in that. Remind yourself of that. The body can get addicted to anything given from without. Let it be produced from within by eating good. Vegetables are the key, greener the better: Kale, broccoli, spinach, brussels sprouts, lettuce, parsley, cilantro, blue green algae, wheat grass juice, etc. Also, do not take tylenol. Very bad for the maintenance of the myelin sheath in the brain, according to John Grey.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I don't take tylenol so Ive got that going for me. Thanks for all the info! smile

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8531369_f248.jpg

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      savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That is awesome!!!!!

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

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      savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      More awesomeness!

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Oh wow, I love this one, I'd never heard it.


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      Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.

      C. S. Lewis

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      savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent point, Beth 37.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Do you think he was like this in real life? Do you think he just walked around being witty and ridiculously wise at all times? Maybe he belched whilst at the pub.

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          savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Beth37, I believe that he was highly intelligent and highly intuitive... that is not to say he was always witty, though he may have been. My understanding is that he and his wife were a great match because she challenged him and they loved their "banter."  I'd have to read more about his life from the perspective of observers, so I don't really know. Nevertheless, his observations were obviously very keen. That being said, when he wife died he questioned all of his beliefs about God. So to answer your question, Yes, he belched, at least figuratively. We all do in one way or another. Good question, Beth.

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I spose that's true. His mother dying when he was a boy, his wife and best friend dying... He probably carried a lot of grief around in his heart... which was probably what prompted him to write a book about it. I don't know if you saw Shadowlands? It was a fabulous movie, especially if you were a fan of his.

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              savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I haven't seen the movie, but I'll look into it--thanks, Beth37. Speaking of grief, Jesus was a man of sorrows. My point is that sometimes deep sorrow or grief creates a more formidable personality, as in one who has the opportunity to reach a much greater depth of spirit. If you read stories of the underground Christians, you will find this to be true. That is not to say Lewis had necessarily achieved that level as he did not suffer for his faith as underground Christians have done--at least, not to my knowledge.

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I read a book about an underground Christian in China.
                It was an amazing book.
                http://www.amazon.com/The-Heavenly-Man- … 082546207X

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                  savvydatingposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I wasn't aware of that book and I WILL read it! This brings to mind Saeed Abedini, an Iranian-born U.S. citizen who converted to Christianity from Islam. He is currently jailed in Iran and has recently been moved to an even worse prison than before. He shares a 10X10 cell with five violent prisoners, who are on death row.. He is only 33, and will likely die a brutal death. But through all this, he has not abandoned his faith, as the U.S. seems to have abandoned him. My heart goes out to his family.  I cannot begin to imagine his and their torment.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Yet this is a very common story. Heartbreaking.
                    Have you heard of VOM?
                    https://www.persecution.com

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    This is me not engaging. smile

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Then, why did you ask me questions in your last post? Seems like another contradiction from you.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this
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          EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Isn't she in Uganda? This is a country in which religious atrocities abound. Can you be sympathetic to evangelism in Uganda?

          "Uganda is a country that is effectively a criminal theocracy. 80% of all the information broadcasted in Uganda’s media, both on air and in print, is religious. Even the secular media houses are required to make 75% of their broadcasting religious. Our people are being fed government-sponsored religion night and day to help distract them from their misery and poverty.

          Then we have the unfriendly bullying religionists, women and men, young and old, Islamists and Christians standing on every street corner of Kampala from morning to evening, shouting to passers-by to turn to their gods and loudly praying for a decaying city which they have branded the “city of God”.

          The president regularly and publicly opens the tax coffers for religious leaders and religions to spread his prestige while hospitals go unfunded and without supplies and many women die during childbirth."

          http://www.atheistalliance.org/news-a-a … and-uganda

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Disengaging. smile

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              EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That's odd, here's a country overrun with serious problems, far more than a handful of people getting jail time for preaching the gospel and you aren't engaged.

              Based on your support for evangelism, I would suspect you would support the theocratic regime in Uganda and everything they're doing to spread the gospel?

              Why disengaged? smile

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                Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I don't want to argue with you. I think the way you think is harmful, not just to religion, but to humanity. It seems to me that you lack humanity, as a matter of fact. Should I argue that point with you? It seems you have chosen the way your heart shall go... what else is there for me to say except, I don't want any part of it.

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  But, you are engaging me, you put that link there with a comment. I provided some reality about Uganda, that their problems are based on religious evangelism, which you support. You don't want to say anything because you know you're wrong and are being a hypocrite.



                  You are just projecting your own self onto me. Look in the mirror.

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                    Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You are ATM, I have little doubt. How many accounts do you have?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    “I realised that C. S. Lewis was a superb apologist for Christianity, especially when he showed so splendidly that faith is not the same thing as being gullible, that Christianity, robust Christianity, is intellectually defensible, intellectually respectable. I enjoyed hugely The Screwtape Letters, penned by a consummate master of the psychology of temptation, and the wiles of the devil. This book made me a lifelong admirer of its author.”

    —Desmond Tutu, Archbishop Emeritus of Cape Town

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    EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago

    "Lewis demonstrates a great deal of hostility and arrogance towards nonbelievers."

    "In Mere Christianity, for example, we learn that atheists are like ostriches: they keep their heads in the sand in order to avoid facing facts that damage their position.

    We are again assured that atheism is a form of wish-fulfillment and informed that in its "modern" forms it has "come down in the world" and now "dabbles in dirt" (SbJ, 226, 139). Finally, we discover that atheists are not committed inquirers, that they merely "play at" religion, and that their minds reel "in a whirl of contradictions"
    ~ Surprised by Joy

    http://atheism.about.com/od/cslewisnarn … heists.htm

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      Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So, is your point that you disagree with him? I would assume you would. Those were his beliefs and if he were here, on this forum, Im sure he'd defend them.

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        EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Lewis is considered a joke when it comes to his beliefs, he has lost a lot of respect from a great deal of people, and goes on to be arrogant and hostile.

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          Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You mean there are those who don't agree with his beliefs about God? Im surprised, I thought we all believed in God.

          He is one of the most respected authors of all time. I understand you don't agree with his spiritual points. No one said you had to. No one even said you had to like his fictional writings... you don't even have to post on this thread if you don't want to.

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            It's his arrogance and hostility towards nonbelievers, especially when he claims to have been an atheist before.

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              Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              lol. The guy was amazing. He was fully human, full of mistakes just like you and me, but the unbelievable wisdom that poured forth from his pen were/are life changing... there's nothing you could say that would make me think of ill of him. Not sure what the point would be.

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                EncephaloiDeadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                He isn't arrogant or hostile towards believers, so you have nothing to think ill of him.

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                  Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You should read God in the dock. You might actually really get into it.
                  And he has a lot of things to say about all mankind, not just Atheists.
                  I remember one statement he made in one of his books about women with thick ankles. I keep looking at my ankles worried about when and if they'll get thick. With all the things Ive stressed over in my life, I had never hoped to add thick ankles to the list. He speaks on less than intelligent ppl, certain Christians, etc, etc. He not God, he's human. He was amazingly intelligent and wise... the older he got, the wiser he got. His story is amazingly interesting too. You should read about him... and not just in Wiki.

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    Darkproxyposted 3 years ago

    He will be and is remembered that is the only way for a man to live on in life. He has made a mark in history and forged a name in literature may we all be so luck.

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Today's his birthday. smile


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      Darkproxyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      so he died a few days before his next birthday wow

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah.. odd.

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          Darkproxyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I can't say I support his views on mothers exactly I mean so many children die at their mother's hands for me to think like him exaclty

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Well... I spose that would be true of most personal pronouns...

            so many children die at:
            the hands of a drunk driver
            the hands of a gunman
            their own hands
            the hands of ____________ fill in the blank.

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              Darkproxyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That's true in some cases.

 
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