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Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey.

  1. Misfit Chick profile image94
    Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago

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    Remember the passionate fighting between fans and anti-fans of the book-turned-movie, 'Fifty Shades of Grey'? Well, 'Fifty Shades Darker' is now being filmed - and there is still one more movie after this, 'Fifty Shades Freed'.

    The problem with these books is that they ARE written harmfully and erroneously - in a very dangerous way. Most fans can't see how/why because 1) they are already obsessed and don't want to hear it; and 2) most fans knowledge about abuse and how it happens is almost non-existent. (This would be a good thing if their lack of knowledge wasn't putting them in danger.)

    I have written a hub that goes into the details about how 50 Shades was fanfiction inspired by The Twilight Saga - because of BOTH Stephenie Meyer's and EL James ignorance while writing these stories created this situation (along with their irresponsible publishers). And of course, since Twilight is over a decade old now - everyone thinks it is no big deal.

    And yet, somehow we have three 50 Shades of Grey movies coming out because of them. I put the jist of where the abuse is at in 50 Shades in this image. Also, this is the link to the detailed hub: <snipped>

    People who care about how prevelant and 'normalized' sexual abuse is in our society need to start action on this issue - because the only people who tap this article are Fifty Shades of Grey or Twilight fans; and of course, neither type of fan can read it because of their accidental over-obsession with these two series'.

    Yeah, books can be 'professionally' published with real literary mistakes that cause over-obsessions. And people who care about the future of our young people NEED to at least get the message out about WHY/HOW this story is abusive - even if we can't stop the movies from coming out - so fans of these books & movies and SEE what they need to see to keep themselves safe.

    Perhaps in this way, Fifty Shades of Grey can become a teaching tool. If you feel compelled to help get this message out - please pass the link around. And thank you very very much from those of us who DO have direct knowledge about abuse.

    1. tamarawilhite profile image87
      tamarawilhiteposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      50 shades of gray versus domestic abuse is bad. You can have one view or the other, but not both. If abuse is consensual, then we lose the ability to prosecute guys who do it to women they love.
      Are fluffy handcuffs OK? Yes. Are leather outfits OK? Yes.  Are gags and whips OK? No, it is torture and unacceptable.

      1. Dylan Callens profile image82
        Dylan Callensposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Even if it's consensual?

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          "Are gags and whips OK? No, it is torture and unacceptable." This is not a statement made my me - and YES, this is acceptable if it is consensual. Fifty Shades of Grey is DIFFERENT.

          Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent. I explain EVERYTHING in detail.

          Here's the link again - http://hub.me/afKNf

    2. roob profile image80
      roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      What is wrong if someone likes it rough and some spanking? It doesn't just have to be the guy doing it to a girl, some girls do it to guys? If the girl/guy wanted it rough how is that bad? I am not talking about actual physical harm like a black eye or bleeding. Maybe a red mark or bruise but only consensual! What is wrong with that just because you don't like it? Now against someones consent is sick and wrong.

      The page you brought up says abuse is against consent, well if there is consent then it must not be abuse according to that "expert"

      different strokes for different folks.

      You know anal might hurt but some people like that and others hate it, should it be illegal if its consensual?

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        *sigh* I don't understand why this is so HARD to get through your heads - so HERE IT IS AGAIN:

        IF you had read the article and EDUCATED yourself, you would have seen this: "There are movies about murder, wanna censor those too? There is a difference between a book that can be written without abuse and get the same point across, but still includes abuse that is romanticized and fetishized to the Nth degree - that perpetuates a problem that is already way too normalized, and a movie about murder... People don’t leave the Purge thinking, “Damn! I want to go on a murder spree!” But women (and men) will leave FSOG and think, “Damn! I want to try BDSM!” When it was never [about] BDSM." Source

        Thanks so much for the ban, ladies. You’re too-tender-hearted in all the wrong places, IMO – probably because you’re obsessed, LoL!

        One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

        I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

        I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

        Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

        And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

        I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

        All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

        And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

        1. roob profile image80
          roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          It's hard to read when you type like every other word in CAPS.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Poor thing... you would have a hard time reading it even without the caps. That is just another excuse for people not to read it. They are just for emphasis. "i mean are you ever wrong? Lol." There is only one way for you to figure out if I am actually wrong. It isn't unusual for the majority of sheep to follow a crowd. Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent. I explain EVERYTHING in detail. Here's the link again - http://hub.me/afKNf

      2. helenstuart profile image80
        helenstuartposted 7 months ago in reply to this

        I was just thinking in my knee jerk know it all voice "they're right, ban ban ban, no rubber vinyl, hairbrush spankings, no wait, hard paddles, none of THAT, because that's the stuff I like so much, and I am a dirty masochist, hey I'm not dirty, is it just built in? I don't even care. But not that guy from the movie. It seems like I could beat him up into 50 shades of grey, and I don't even like violence. Give me a big ol' construction worker who cuddles me after, because if you do it right its a game that you are able to pretend is real for a little while. Unless you live the life. And still you fill each others deepest pretend needs, and come out stronger. If you live the lie, You're Buck and Billie "everything's normal here!" (way too normal) sex is a chance to play and the marriage bed is undefiled. Even if you're not exactly married at all.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 7 months ago in reply to this

          No, this post isn't about banning. These books simply should not have been so negligently published - and now we have to deal with the ramifications of these 'professional' companies irresponsible actions.

          However, I'm with you... Give me a big 'ol tough Alpha Male any day over an abuser like Mr. Grey. Heaven! smile
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          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 7 months ago in reply to this

            As fanfiction, the audience of Fifty Shades of Grey is essentially reading - in graphic detail - what EL James wanted Edward Cullen to be doing to Bella Swan in The Twilight Saga. Some women are mortified to hear that, and refuse to accept it - while others are like, "Yeah, so what?!"

            The sparkling, intoxicating character of 'Bedward' Cullen had a particularly-intoxicating & perverted effect especially on older women, like EL James. This is what the controversy surrounding the amateur writing within The Twilight Saga was about way back then...

            Erika wrote out what anti-Twilight fans were saying Twilight was REALLY about - and published it. But this time, instead of the abuse being hidden within obscure, mythological creatures - they are based (just as erroneously and even more harmfully) on a real human lifestyle.

            If the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga had been edited and published responsibly into the public: there would be no debate - nor would anyone be worried about niave fans accidentally being misled into physical danger; or having to endure worldwide misogynistic bullying over either series.

            What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html
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            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 7 months ago in reply to this

              This is hysterical - from a married guy's perspective who read Fifty Shades of Grey. I know a lot of men have read it for similar reasons that this guy has; and some even like it. But, what's not to like for them? SEX?! wink http://time.com/3030375/dave-barry-50-shades-of-grey/

              We girls can certainly understand how these books confuse men, no matter if we have problems with them or not, LoL! Lots of people make fun of all the silly 'inner goddess' references, for instance. But, confusing men about what women want out of sex? Yeah, totally believable, ha!
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      unsaaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Fifty shades of Grey, I believe, validates that body dominance is okay. In general, I do understand your reasoning for why abuse is being promoted. While, everyone is entitled to make choices about their own bodies, I do believe that the exposure it gives to young teens is not okay. When I asked my cousin about 50 Shades she was anxious and curious to watch the movie. This movie gives exposure to young teens about sexual desires which can be at times be unrealistic, just like porn. I admit to watching the movie, but only to critique but also to really understand the controversy about it. Now, this movie should not put the actors in negative light. It's more the storyline that is flawed and the "idea" per se. Regardless, the media did a pretty good job of making it look like good entertainment hence why it's gotten the attention it has.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        As long as one is honest with his or herself and not harming anyone and over age 18.

        Governments and Religion should stay out of our bedrooms and what we choose to put into our bodies.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I thought you were feeling terrorized. Why are you still in here? AGAIN, no one is talking about censoring ANYTHING, nor are we talking about the government getting involved in our bedrooms.

          The internet is obviously full of both information and danger - and the possibility of connections. It is like a whole nother world where anything either good or bad can happen - just like our 'real' world. No, I would not keep kids from the internet - this is their world and many of them need to learn how to navigate it, just like life.

          There is a place online called fanfiction.net - and that is the place for stuff like The Twilight Saga and Fifty Shades of Grey. People know what the writing is like on that site, and LOTS of young girls and women participate with all kinds of embellished fanfiction. It is safe because we KNOW that the writing 'isn't good' - it's just for fun. But, when you read a professionally-published book it is a different experience. Standards are (usually) much higher.

          When REAL information comes across on the internet that warns people of something like professionally-negligent publishing being responsible for turning a pretty fairytale for young girls into a misleading XXX story about abuse for their moms - THAT is something that *I* would want to know about.

          I didn't have any choice in writing my blogs or this article like I did. I came into Twilight in 2010, then discovered this past stuff about it in 2011. Things have continued to spiral out of control in a blatantly harmful way through the years while both amateur authors are allowed to flip the whole wide 'knowing' world off while their clueless and/or careless fans swarm around them for protection.

          I'm sorry, but those kind of mistakes WILL come back to haunt you. If not now, someday - and hopefully only a few people get hurt over it in the meantime (when there should not be anyone who gets hurt over it).

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            We had a President impeached for adultery .
            Wail I asked 13 time on different posts if it was wrong to kill mostly women and children over in Iraq, only one person wa decent enough to say it was wrong.

            US cares more about wars and how people have sex than they care about the life of our bother and sister.  They don't care enough about the greatest threat in human history, our natural environment.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Now you are trying to drag politics into this - why? FOCUS!! wink

              I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.

              Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.

              Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.

              The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:

              "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

              FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

              There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.

              What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!

              I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

    4. RachaelLefler profile image94
      RachaelLeflerposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I agree with you. "Fifty Shades" is not showing how to have a healthy relationship, and it glamorizes violence and makes it seem A-OK if the person doing it is rich and if the victim is aroused. No, that kind of behavior is never OK in real life! And it's not showing a picture of BDSM that is accurate at all (it is not consensual, and a sexual contract is never legally binding, you can back out at any time!).

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Thank you. The occassional person to agree with me helps alleviate frustration, LoL! smile

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          what effect will the memes have on society, do you think?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            1.  " … Keep niave FSoG fans safer"?
            2.  "… Protect fans"?
            3.  "… Stop the misogyinistic bullying across the globe"?
            4.  "… Bring good publicity into the mix"?

          2. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            What, did you switch battons with someone? GOD!!! I've explained OVER AND OVER again!!! Are you all really afraid that I will make so much money off of my spotlight article if you actually READ the damn thing? We get fractions of pennies when someone clicks into it; and all this re-explaining would be FAR LESS frustrating!!

            The main reason: CHANGE that gives the world something positive to talk about surrounding these movies instead of the regular hater-hype that is coming. The people concerned about the abusive aspects can breathe a sigh of relief and walk away from the controversy; AND it is likely to become a POSITIVE story about fans to be told.

            It doesn't have to be fans, I suppose - after all, I have my own graphic that I pass around that is not from a fan perspective. There are 'just regular people' who protest against this movie. Those kind of people could do this too, IF they wanted to change their tactics.
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            The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

            Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

            There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

            The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
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            For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

            I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

            The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

            That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

            A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

            The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

          3. SmartAndFun profile image91
            SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            There are thousands of young, impressionable girls and women (as well as boys and men) on Tumblr, Twitter, FaceBook, etc. Memes are hugely popular on these sites. If someone developed a to-the-point meme that quickly and easily conveyed the message, it would at least plant the seed in these kids' minds regarding what is consensual and what is not, what is safe, what is dangerous. An effective meme would also be a great conversation starter.

            But it needs to be short, with a strong graphic and contain very few words. Unfortunately, the OP's message (IMHO) is too lengthy and convoluted, in both text and graphic.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              It is too long... that is why I've made the suggestions that I have. It could be a new meme every week that fans create and pass around, themselves - so that it would be more accepted.

              Just one little 'corrective' idea can help you think in a safer direction - and shut the harmful hype down. I don't think it is such an absurd idea, at all. smile

    5. Oztinato profile image83
      Oztinatoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I don't agree with the practices being promoted in this series or the entire series itself etc

      However it is true that millions of men and yes millions of women are being inspired by this stuff.

      It is certainly unfair to insinuate this is a "male thing".

      This insinuation of the fault of males often creeps into such discussions. In all aberrant forms of sexploitation there seems to be an unending number of willing female participants all the way up from mild advertising, TV shows, movies, porn and now bizarre sexual practices. In Japan it has been seen as an art form for thousands of years and has thousands of willing female participants.

      My view is that it has something to do with our evolutionary past. If we look at the higher mammals their sexual activity is filled with violence. So this weird stuff must appeal to our lowest instincts.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        You're right, it is unfair - women can certainly be abusive jerks, too. But, getting semi-naive women to see the most basic forms of physical abuse within the generic ways that we experience it has been hard enough - adding that component would only confuse things, more.

        However, I don't worry about men as much since most of them are a little more aggressive than women; and pretty much push abuse away, naturally. Women are taught to accept misogyny from day one. And, now that it has been expressed through these books like this from 'one of our own'; the land of single-girls is shakier than it was before. I do also worry about young men for this reason, however:

        http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

        There have been other lawsuits like this around the world. Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." They have, they did - read some of the comments in the article above. And what about the young man in the news story? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!
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        Back to the main topic:

        The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

        Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

        There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

        The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
        __________

        For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

        I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

        The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

        That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

        A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

        The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

        1. Oztinato profile image83
          Oztinatoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Not sure what you're getting at.
          My point was there are actually men AND women out there doing all this weird sex so both have to suffer the consequences without blaming each other. It's not just men's fault. There have been dominatrix around for quite a while too.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            You can't see 'what I'm getting at' with regards to men with this? I am well-aware that women are 'dominants', too. Just being in a dominant/submissive relationship is NOT the issue.

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

            There have been other lawsuits like this around the world. Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." They have, they did - read some of the comments in the article above. And what about the young man in the news story? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

            1. Oztinato profile image83
              Oztinatoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              The law decides these things on a case by case basis. We don't know all the details unless we are the  judge.

              1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

                Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

                There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

                The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
                __________

                For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

                I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

                The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

                That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

                A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

                The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

  2. Misfit Chick profile image94
    Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago

    The image does not pop out to its original size so that you can read it - so I am adding it toward the top of my hub if you want to grab it. I have several images that you can use if you want. But this one gives the most clear explanation about the abuse in fifty shades.

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Not sure where to start with this. All I really want to say is that anyone should be allowed to create - whether art, writing, movies, gaming, whatever - what they want. It is up to the consumer (or their parents) to choose whether or not to view, read, watch or play.

      If you try to censor such work because you don't agree with it, then you'd better go right back to the beginning of human expression.

      Personally, I wouldn't touch the stuff with someone else's bargepole, therefore I have no dog in this fight. Remember, you are free to read such things, or not. Don't try to force your viewpoint on others who may disagree with your opinion.

      50 Sheds of Grey is pretty funny though.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        I am always amazed at how people insist on responding to things like they know what they are talking about - without actually reading the article. So, I will cut & paste the portions of it that directly repond to each of your questions.

        What about censoring things: "There is a difference between a book that can be written without abuse and get the same point across, but still includes abuse that is romanticized and fetishized to the Nth degree - that perpetuates a problem that is already way too normalized, and a movie about murder... People don’t leave the Purge thinking, “Damn! I want to go on a murder spree!” But women (and men) will leave FSOG and think, “Damn! I want to try BDSM!” When it was never BDSM."

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          How do you know I don't know what I'm talking about? Does being married to a sociopath for 10 years count for anything?

          However, when it comes to literature (and I use that term loosely), it's a matter of personal choice. You can say it's badly written or it's junk or whatever, but you can't 'take action' to stop it being published. To say it is 'harmful' is your personal opinion. Others might see it as entertainment or educational. There's real life... and there's fiction. Look at the furore surrounding Harry Potter. If people discern the difference, well, there's not much anyone can do for them.

          I agree that if it starts a discussion about abuse and more people get themselves educated about how to take care of themselves, then that's a good thing.

      2. tamarawilhite profile image87
        tamarawilhiteposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Liberals are trying to censor conservative viewpoints as hate speech, to the point of trying to ban people's word selection and mob bullying people who express un-PC opinions in public.
        In this case, trying to censor a book that advocates violence and domination of women (and avoiding deaths like David Caradine's) is a public good.

  3. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 9 months ago

    It's an erotic fantasy novel.  I don't think it is any more "erroneous" than novels where the hero is a hitman or a serial killer. People like to read about all sorts of stuff. Adults like myself who separate fantasy and reality should not have their entertainment censored.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

      2) Romantic rape IS coercive and manipulative at any age, really - and this is how most sexual abuse STARTS. Not all abuse is violent. In fact, non-violent, 'subtle' abuse often feels just as bad as the hard stuff; because abusers like to make victims feel that things are their fault. But of course, FSOG also contains a violent rape scene - that has also been approved by vast audiences of women.

      1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
        RJ Schwartzposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Who decides what's done right? You?  It's seems that if you'd step off of the pedestal you are standing on and realize that people are free to decide what's best for them - if they choose to role play in their personal sex lives, then you have zero say in it.  If you are against a movie, then don't go see it, but I'm guessing since you are writing on it that you have seen it - sounds a bit hypocritical to me.  There are thousands of movies with murder, sexual abuse, decapitation, torture, blatant homosexuality, wife swapping, deviant practices, gangsters, and other heinous things - why aren't you demanding they are censored?  Why is a movie like SAW allowed to be seen but FSOG not?  Won't it encourage dismemberment for entertainment?  What about the Ten Commandments - isn't that a fairy tale about a made up god?  Won't it promote an unchecked faith movement?  Your logic is false and your argument pitiful.  And I don't think you've ever been exposed to what is made in serious hardcore adult movies.  I never saw FSOG and have no plans to, but that doesn't mean I decide who gets to see it and how they react to it - and neither do you.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Actually, a LOT of people have called BOTH of these series' out on their very bad and negilgent publishing. It is just that people like you keep brushing it off and won't listen. WHY can't so many of you get through just these few paragraphs and respond to them? Why do you keep insisting that I am trying to control or censor people's lives (I'm not) SIMPLY because I wish to INFORM clueless fans WHERE the abuse in the book IS so that they CAN LEARN from it and be SAFER out there in the world? Here's the cut & paste again. Try reading it and forming an opinion NOT based on lack of knowledge or a blind obsession. Good luck:

          One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

          I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

          I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

          Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

          And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

          All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

          And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            why do you focus only on this movie, this author, these people involved?
            I believe child sexual abuse is caused by the internet availability of child porn.
            We have so much to get rid of … it has to start with wholesome environments where these types of movies are not viewed or even WANTED TO BE VIEWED!
            Why do adults want to have sex with children? Why do women want to be treated inferiorily by men?
            The deviations of the psyche must be addressed. What is causing our deviations?
              Where is true happiness?
            Where?

            1. Aime F profile image83
              Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Yep, I agree with this.  A book or a movie is a small drop in an ocean of problems. 

              The first step in limiting any potential damage is of course making sure kids don't read an erotic novel. 

              The bigger steps are making sure that we teach young girls to be confident and to be careful.  Making sure that we teach young boys to be respectful and kind.  Let's not put our kids in the position where, if they were to read these books or see these movies, they would be so far removed from appropriate behaviour that they would think it's a picture of a healthy or ideal relationship. 

              OP- You want to "INFORM" fans of where the fictional relationship fails but that's going on a huge assumption that fans don't already KNOW.  As has already been mentioned several times, most people are quite capable of separating fiction from reality as it is. 

              If you were REALLY interested in helping people understand the problems you see with the book then you wouldn't be calling them ignorant/uneducated/clueless.  No, you appear to be mostly interested in shouting from your soapbox.

            2. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              I focus on these two because of the professionally-negligent way that these two series were published. You would have to read the article for the details - YES, there ARE real literary reasons WHY both of these series 'accidentally' perpetuated this abusive slant in women AND girls heads.

              Fifty Shades of Grey is PROOF of Twilight over-obsessions in OLDER women. Older women had NO right to take that pretty, dysfunctional fairytale away from girls; and do what has been done with it...

              It is because of this negligent publishing that caused all this misogynistic, worldwide bullying against Twilight Fans and Fifty Shades of Grey fans, alike. I know you can't POSSIBLY believe that *I* am on the side of fans because I take their SAFEY far more seriously than I do their obsessions.

              It is negligent publishing that people KNOW ABOUT and continue to pass off DESPITE the evidence of the fanfiction retelling of The Twilight Saga into Fifty Shades of Grey. This is OLD information - and people were complaining about the amateur writing in the twilight saga CAUSING things like Fifty Shades of Grey to HAPPEN YEARS AGO - and it DID.

              Fans need to stop digging in their heels against telling the truth about the abuse that is coming across for the reasons I state in the article - good ones, real ones.

              If Fifty Shades of Grey is 'just a story' like Twilight was... WHY do you have a problem with informing fans of the 'abuse errors' within the text if it will give them real information that could keep them out of sexually-abusive danger zones?

              Someone really needs to explain that part to me... Because as well as I can explain absolutely EVERYTHING else surrounding both Twilight and Fifty Shades; that is the one thing that I have not been able to figure out: why are fans mad at me over that? Really?

              I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

              1. roob profile image80
                roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                How do you know your not crazy or wrong? It is your opinion not fact. How can you not be wrong but people who disagree are? They are crazy but you aren't... because you say so? Almost all your posts are going on rants against peoples beliefs and opinions. Such as this and all your posts against Christianity. Are you saying all your beliefs are not wrong and not crazy? I know I have been wrong and thought crazy before, so has everyone i know good at least thats what they have said.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  And again:

                  IF you had read the article and EDUCATED yourself, you would have seen this: "There are movies about murder, wanna censor those too? There is a difference between a book that can be written without abuse and get the same point across, but still includes abuse that is romanticized and fetishized to the Nth degree - that perpetuates a problem that is already way too normalized, and a movie about murder... People don’t leave the Purge thinking, “Damn! I want to go on a murder spree!” But women (and men) will leave FSOG and think, “Damn! I want to try BDSM!” When it was never [about] BDSM." Source

                  Thanks so much for the ban, ladies. You’re too-tender-hearted in all the wrong places, IMO – probably because you’re obsessed, LoL!

                  One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

                  I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

                  I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

                  Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

                  And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

                  I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - <snipped>

                  All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

                  And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

                  1. roob profile image80
                    roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Well it seems less people respect your opinion here!
                    So maybe we are all wrong and you are right... once again... i mean are you ever wrong? Lol.
                    If no one can get through to you then i better not waste my time. Go censor rap music, and violent movies, and the shows that make fun of my Christian religion.
                    Now let me ask you this before I leave... would they go to jail for that? Or is that kind of consensual sex allowed?
                    Now if it was portraying child pornography in a good light I would be very pissed as I would expect everyone sane to be!!!

          2. RJ Schwartz profile image91
            RJ Schwartzposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Well this "clueless know-it-all" is going to call you out as the biggest hypocrite I've seen in some time - how dare you lecture the rest of us on these works based on opinions?  Yes, as much as you think you are always right, they are just opinions, even if shared by many others.

            I have a 21 year old daughter and she watched all the movies - am I going to be arrested for "putting her in danger?"  No, I'm not - maybe because as adults we can see the movies as entertainment and not some blueprint for nefarious activity like you do.

            This whole thread is just to create traffic to your blog.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              NO, it is NOT - and this stuff is NOT MY OPINION; it IS FACT.

              That is why I wrote this hub - to inform people. Did you read this part:

              I'm pretty sure that the reason why women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source]

              Professionally-negligent publishing is something that can be PROVEN and has been proven in this case over and over again.

              If this subject were a harmless 'opinion' thing - things would be different. But, it isn't. The divisions and arguments exist because of IGNORANCE - not opinion.

              I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything: http://hub.me/afKNf

            2. SinDelle profile image95
              SinDelleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              I agree with you completely. This broad is psycho, dude. This is what happens when you spend years telling people that their opinions matters: They think it does, and that they have a right to decide for others. Unbelievable.

              1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                I repeat the main issue over and over again so that it does not get buried - as so many other things have - because this is the purpose of the discussion. If my opinions surrounding Fifty Shades of Grey were just my opinions, you would maybe have a point. I'm just a precursor to what's coming.

                Why people should care:

                http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

                There have been other lawsuits like this around the world. Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." They have, they did - read some of the comments in the article above. And what about the young man in the news story? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

                Also, this is a really sad and recent gory story from my neck of the woods, Seattle - and it is probably a pretty good example of romantic rape going bad:

                This lady is a nurse who went to a baseball game with someone she met online - someone who seemed 'fine enough' to her to trust enough to go on a public date in a crowd with him - and look what happened to her. Her three kids have lost their mom. I'm willing to bet that 'romantic rape' was involved - at least up until a certain point.

                http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new … ng-mother/
                ____________

                Back to the main topic:

                The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

                Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

                There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

                The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
                __________

                For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

                I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

                The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

                That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

                A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

                The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

                1. SinDelle profile image95
                  SinDelleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  "I'm just a precursor to what's coming." No, you are not. You're the latest in a long, long, LONG line of people who want to blame anything other than people for their own actions. Are you familiar with The Story of O, or Justine? How about 120 Days of Sodom or Lolita? Brutalizing women, rape and domestic abuse have been around for thousands of years before you were ever born or this book was ever written - or any of these books, for that matter. People who wish to harm each other need no encouragement or justification. Give those titles I mentioned a read and tell me you still think 50 Shades is horrible. It's a badly written romance novel with some slap and tickle thrown in. With all due respect, if you are this upset over a housewife fantasy novel, you don't know what real degradation is.

                  The people in 120 Days of Sodom are forced to eat feces. Children are raped and skinned alive. Pregnant women are disemboweled. And that's not even the worst of it - by half. It was made into a movie.

                  In The Story of O, she is not a submissive but a slave. 50 Shades cannot even hold a candle to the way O is treated - O is absolutely brutalized, controlled and degraded in every way - and she is very proud of her role as a slave. In one version of the ending (the author published a few different epilogues), O is abandoned by her master and is so heartbroken by this that she asks for permission to commit suicide, which he grants. That book was written by a woman. It has been made into movies, documentaries, comics, as well as influenced many things in popular culture and other works of fiction.

                  Some of these books are decades old and others are centuries old. Your hysteria over 50 Shades and this "new crime wave against naive women" it is about to bring about is absurd. You actually seem to believe that everyone would agree with you if they only "knew what abuse was." That is so unbelievably arrogant as to be laughable. MANY people know very well what abuse is - and what this stupid, trashy little 50 Shades book describes is not abuse. It depicts a fictional consenting relationship between two adults. For whatever reason, you just don't seem to understand. You don't seem to understand how the Dominant/submissive lifestyle works, how violence works, or how personal responsibility works. These things you are so upset about are FICTION. They have not translated into real life and the proof is that a year later, you still can only post the same article about the same dismissed case over and over again. Here's some advice: if something upsets you this badly, don't read it or watch it.

                  *You keep posting the same article about "re-enacting 50 Shades scenes" and claiming there are all these others. Where are all the other ones? I noticed on that Chicago Tribune article that you keep posting, you commented on it with the exact same thing as here almost, and when another commenter asked you to prove your assertion, you did not answer. That was a year ago. I looked it up myself and could only find the same case you keep posting.

                  From what I can see, even though millions have read the book and/or seen the movie, you are imagining a crime wave against women because of one case that was thrown out of court. You keep screeching that people need to educate themselves, but every single thing you've said or posted is your opinion (or someone else's) only. They aren't facts. You're reposting people's opinions you agree with and your own articles with no real sources over and over and over and over again. Do yourself a favor and take a break. I'm serious. You are obviously obsessed with this to the point of being unable to be rational about it and that is not healthy.

                  Do you know what a pathological narcissist is?

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                    Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    "Do you know what a pathological narcissist is?" It sounds to me like you are getting ready to start accusing me of needing phychological help as others have. I DO report people who personally attack me in this way - be careful.

                    Since you insist... Here it is AGAIN:

                    I'm not obsessed with either of these series - but, I have been obsessed with twilight. Many people know how these books were written from twilight BECAUSE of our own irresponsible obsessions that were NEGLIGENTLY dumped on us through The Twilight Saga. You can't unread or unwatch something - or reclaim wasted time.

                    We damn well KNOW how these harmful books got into Erika's head. Of course, you would have to read my spotlight article to understand how/why. I have MANY MANY MANY ways within that article that I confirm this stuff.

                    No other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way.

                    Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

                    What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? I know I'm not supposed to 'promote myself' in the forumns, but this is a link to my blog that goes into the details of what is wrong with the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga. I will not make one penny off of this link unless you click on an advertisment: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html

                    Additionally, the twilight fanbase is still growing; and fans are still getting stuck in their obsessions - I still get emails from them SCREAMING for help. I've got a couple email blurbs in my spotlight article. Twilight obsessions are no more 'normal' than Fifty Shades obsessions - and they never have been normal (thanks for the graphic eyesores earlier that proves this - there are more 'proofs').

                    The 'obsessions' part of things is not due to the vampires within twilight - the obsessions started with the professionally negligent publishing of the very first chapter. Twilight obsessions SPLIT (probably around the same time or just before Erika started writing her fanfiction stories) when Breaking Dawn was published because of the erroneous way Steph wrote about them - and THAT is what created the deluge of WORLDWIDE misogyny toward twilight fans.

                    Why people should care about Fifty Shades from Twilight:

                    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

                    There have been other lawsuits like this around the world. Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." They have, they did - read some of the comments in the article above. And what about the young man in the news story? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

                    Also, this is a really sad and recent gory story from my neck of the woods, Seattle - and it is probably a pretty good example of romantic rape going bad:

                    This lady is a nurse who went to a baseball game with someone she met online - someone who seemed 'fine enough' to her to trust enough to go on a public date in a crowd with him - and look what happened to her. Her three kids have lost their mom. I'm willing to bet that 'romantic rape' was involved - at least up until a certain point.
                    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new … ng-mother/

        2. NateB11 profile image92
          NateB11posted 8 months ago in reply to this

          +1

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            This stuff is not my 'opinion' - it is based in fact; which is why I wrote this hub - to inform people. Did you read this part:

            I'm pretty sure that the reason why women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source]

            Professionally-negligent publishing is something that can be PROVEN and has been proven in this case over and over again.

            If this subject were a harmless 'opinion' thing - things would be different. But, it isn't. The divisions and arguments exist because of IGNORANCE - not opinion.

            I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything: http://hub.me/afKNf

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              There is a rape culture out there, that is shocking. Yet your 1in 4 or 1 in 6 women rape victims rate comes from women abuse centre's. Their stats include women being offered alcohol or drugs. then women regret having sex with a man they do not approve of and call it rape later. If some slipped you a intended rape drug that you are unaware of, that's different. Instead of 20% rape victims grey area it's more like 4% .

              Although 50 shades of grey would be considered consented sex. I personally would run for the hill if sex hurts too much or bleeds.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                If it helps, :50 Shades of Grey:
                Won a Golden Raspberry  award

              2. Misfit Chick profile image94
                Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                No, the 'likelihood' is that those statistics are actually HIGHER because most women don't report abuse or rape. Those statistics are only for stuff that is actually reported. Thank you for admitting that there is a rape culture out here. It is not only shocking - it can be minimized with knowledge; because KNOWLEDGE is power, not concent.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Think the point of 50 Shades is that it showed consent all the way through their sexual relationship even with awriiten contract consent. I like the contract idea, the word stop and no bleeding would highlighted.

                  If you want take the freight train approach to show this film is rape, you would be wrong. You can show it's about mind control or extreme S&M that you or I would not like personally. In the 60s I've been child abused an sexual molested by drugs , my own mind control disallowed me from being damaged goods. I believe then about 25% of people were raped or molested. With new asault laws and education about touching anyone today make me feel safe on the street. In prison males raping males is a whole other Hersey biway.

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                    Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Again, I'm NOT WRONG. I really wish you would all STOP telling me I am wrong WITHOUT reading the damn article that PROVES I'm RIGHT  - so I guess I'll just repost this again:

                    IF you had read the article and EDUCATED yourself, you would have seen this: "There are movies about murder, wanna censor those too? There is a difference between a book that can be written without abuse and get the same point across, but still includes abuse that is romanticized and fetishized to the Nth degree - that perpetuates a problem that is already way too normalized, and a movie about murder... People don’t leave the Purge thinking, “Damn! I want to go on a murder spree!” But women (and men) will leave FSOG and think, “Damn! I want to try BDSM!” When it was never [about] BDSM." Source

                    One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

                    I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

                    I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

                    Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

                    I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

                    All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

                    And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

    2. justholidays profile image79
      justholidaysposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Ditto.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Again, this is the title of this forum post: Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey.

        If you don't agree with me and don't want to help - then don't. Don't read about what's wrong with these books, where they came from or how they were inspired from a pretty fairytale for young girls.

        If you don't mind being ignorant and don't care - that is your perogative and your right. More power to you.

      2. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Yeah, and again… IF you had read the article and EDUCATED yourself, you would have seen this: "There are movies about murder, wanna censor those too? There is a difference between a book that can be written without abuse and get the same point across, but still includes abuse that is romanticized and fetishized to the Nth degree - that perpetuates a problem that is already way too normalized, and a movie about murder... People don’t leave the Purge thinking, “Damn! I want to go on a murder spree!” But women (and men) will leave FSOG and think, “Damn! I want to try BDSM!” When it was never [about] BDSM." Source

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    Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 9 months ago

    It is ADULT fiction, written for ADULTS. <snipped>

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12919986.jpg

      Tell me again how it is a perfectly harmless story.

    2. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 9 months ago in reply to this

      +1

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        How was Fifty Shades inspired by The Twilight Saga?

        How are both series harmful because of the profound amateur writing mistakes that were not corrected by the 'professional' publishers before selling it to little girls?

        Why are so many grown adults such haters and anti-fans?

        Why do so many grown adults pass the deceptive misrepresentation of abuse within these stories off as if it is no big deal?

        Why am I being judged for wanting to get the message about WHERE the abuse within Fifty Shades IS - out so that young girls can be knowledgable about this disturbing issue?

        http://hubpages.com/literature/Why-is-T … as-a-Movie

        http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12920044.jpg

    3. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      It is ADULT fiction written for ADULTS accidentally-inspired from a young girl’s pretty, sparkling fairytale. Educate yourself or remain ignorant as to how/why that happened – your choice.

  5. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 9 months ago

    Wow I didn't know Ayatollah Khomeini wrote on HubPages.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Read the article or <personal attack snipped>. How am I that just because I care about young girls (and older know-it-alls) getting 'accidentally' trapped in Fifty Shades of Abuse? EXPLAIN!!!

      1. psycheskinner profile image81
        psycheskinnerposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        If you care about "young girls" tell their parents to supervise what they read. I read erotic romance and other stories with disturbing plot elements and it is my right to do so. I have not read 50Shades and don't plan to, but I have absolutely no objection whatsoever to fiction being available no matter what the story contains. In fact I think creative freedom is a necessary part of being in a free society.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago

    Dear Misfit Chick:
    It would be interesting to discuss the movie and /or book.
    I saw the movie the other day, so it is fresh in my mind. I said I would not see it, but curiosity got the better of me. Would you like to know my opinion of the story line and the message?

    Let's assume you are curious regarding MY reaction to the movie:
    I thought the movie had a good underlying point and that it was a brilliant idea to write about. It is very a simple point, not explored much in our (still) sex-taboo American culture.

    I was prepared for the ending and it did not come too soon: She demanded the money for the car which he had sold. HER CAR! That little old Volkswagen bug was a symbol of her life and HER WILL which he had STOLEN from her!

    In the movie, she really thought she was giving and getting love through her submissiveness, even though, all the while, he gave her dominance, punishment and abuse. Her naiveté was revealed through her romantic hope that she could find someone loving lurking beneath this psychological wreck of a person. She eventually realized he had unlimited desire to punish and dominate with apparently no love, what so ever.

    In the end, her revenge was to walk out on him. She did it with strength, knowledge and wisdom; no longer the naive girl she had been when she first met him.

    There! Now no one, (who reads this) has to view this movie. It was confusing and I had to think about it for a couple of days. I do not advise young girls to see it.
    Not at all.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      "It was confusing and I had to think about it for a couple of days. I do not advise young girls to see it.
      Not at all."

      My point is exactly that.

      There are MANY young girls and nieve women (believe it or not, every woman is NOT 'safely' married and knowledgable) to be able to bring the movie through to a good perspective as you have.

      Do you see that Twitter image I posted? That was sent out by a 22 year old - how long has Fifty Shades of Grey been out? How old would she have been when she read it? WHAT was she 'into' in order to get her head wrapped around those abusive images? TWILIGHT and then 50 Shades in that order.

      Fifty shades CAME from Twilight. Twilight 'accidentally' inspired these kinds of over-obsessions in OLDER women because of the way it was published with RARE professionally-negligent publishing. The hub link explains how that happens in detail.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 months ago

    PS Sex AFTER marriage, girls!

    PSS Man, that girl, Anastasia Steele, was stupid! I don't think the actress, Dakota Johnson, will ever recover from this movie. I would be surprised if she ever does another picture.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      I actually really like Dakota Johnson and think she has done a really good job with this movie. She's just like her mom - charming and a little goofy/ditzy at the same time, ha! Jamie Dornan has been nothing but a good sport - just like Robert Pattinson has been for Twilight Fans. They are definitely professionals. smile

      One thing that DOES concern me about these next two movies being made... Sam quit and they got a MAN to finish these movies up. They did the same thing with Twilight. Both female directors had creative issues with the storylines and ended up not continuing with those projects because of it.

      Many women KNOW what is wrong with this story. It isn't that we want it to go away - we just want to see it fixed because it IS a dangerous story for nieve women of all ages. You can't brush mistakes like this under the rug. But, you can learn from them.

  8. WryLilt profile image86
    WryLiltposted 9 months ago

    I absolutely agree, Misfit Chick. I read the 3 books purely because I wanted to know what I was arguing against. It's full of abuse of a naive girl and control. Even the BDSM community has spoken out against it, as BDSM relationships are built on respect and trust, not emotional blackmail and non-consensual activity.

    No, it should not be banned. But it SHOULD start more discussions about abuse, so this idea of "Turning an abusive man into a gentle kitten if you just go along with what he wants and love him till he changes" will not seep into our popular culture and make this the norm. Women who do that end up seriously injured or dead.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Thank you for actually reading all the way through them. I could not - it only made me more incensed and I (really!) did not want to hate yet another fairytale.

      Most people don't know that The Twilight Saga was under fire for the EXACT same reasons - especially in 2008 when the final book, Breaking Dawn, came out. But, before that time, too. People raged and carried on about the accidental over-obsessions and romanticized abuse within Twilight; and yet, somehow the story was allowed to be morphed into the equally-erroneous hardcore (XXX!) story of Fifty Shades of Grey.

      Fifty Shades of Grey is the ACTUAL story of The Twilight Saga - although since Stephenie Meyer wasn't as interested in Vampires as her audience was; HER sexual fantasy that she left glaring throughout the pages of Twilight was probably a LOT more tame than her fans who were previously familiar with them.

      The Twilight Saga was barely edited and significantly ALTERED to be aimed at Young Adult audiences who weren't supposed to know any better about Vampires. Young girls became over-obsessed because of the negligent / barely-existing editing. Then, they took it home to their moms to become MORE obsessed - simply because they knew more about Vampires than Steph and her young fans did.

      And then, WOOT - Fifty Shades of Grey. Neat. smile

  9. Annsalo profile image83
    Annsaloposted 9 months ago

    Fiction is fiction, if it isn't written as truth then it's just that, fiction. Fiction is not meant to teach life lessons or tell people how to live. Movies are fiction and certainly not something to base life off of.

    While I agree the way these books are written are pointless, that's as far as my thought goes.

    These are intended for adult readers/viewers. If adults can't make rational decisions about their lives without consulting 50 Shades of Grey, we have bigger problems than just books encouraging bad relationships.

    Let adults be adults and choose what they want to read. If they choose to make a horrible life choice based on a book like this, that is their problem.

    We should never censor writing. Should we encourage people to learn about different types of abuse? Of course.

  10. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 9 months ago

    I don't believe in censoring literature, but I do believe in censoring adult material from children.

    Just the other day I was reading this article http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles … 420147.htm
    about how kids today have such easy access to so much porn, and how it is damaging them. The "50 Shades" books and films were also mentioned. Apparently, girls as young as 10 or 11 are seeing the 50 Shades films, as well as hardcore porn, and getting some pretty sad and twisted ideas about what the female role is "supposed" to be in a sexual/romantic relationship. According to the article, boys who are exposed to porn also take away some fairly twisted ideas about what a "normal" sex life is, and what they "should" expect girls to do for them sexually on a routine basis.

    Kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff. However, because of the internet, they are, and there's not too much parents can do about it. Even with parental controls, kids can find ways to see all the porn they want at just about any time.

    Since we can't seem to shield kids from porn this day and age, I would like to see parents educating their kids about the unrealistic and unhealthy behaviors depicted in porn. But unfortunately, most parents don't realize their kids are getting much of their sex education from porn films.

  11. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 9 months ago

    If young girls are watching or reading Fifty Shades of Grey then that is the big issue here, not the content of the books/films.  The target audience is clearly adults. 

    I know it's a sticky subject, but non-consent is actually a very common fantasy among women.  That doesn't, of course, mean that women actually want to be raped.  There is a distinct separation between fantasy and reality for most people, and if there isn't, the cause of that needs to be dealt with - books and movies don't need to be censored.

    The books were garbage and the movie wasn't any better, but I don't think it's fair to say that people are ignorant for liking it.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Blah, blah, BLAH... You are saying NOTHING that I have not heard over and over and OVER again in repsonse to people NOT KNOWING what the heck the ACTUAL problem is with both of these series. I've written more than one hub on the topic for that reason. IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING is why this stuff keeps getting repeated, and it is so EFFEN maddening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. calculus-geometry profile image86
        calculus-geometryposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Have you seen a doctor about prolonged exposure to mattress fumes?  I am absolutely dead serious.

      2. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Here you go completely dismissing people's opinions again because they do not align exactly with yours.  No attempt to have a discussion, no counter-arguments, just dismissal because I'm saying something you don't wanna hear. 

        With all due respect, if you don't want to talk about it then don't start a forum topic about it.

        1. calculus-geometry profile image86
          calculus-geometryposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          +1 Aime. You provided a completely sane and logical response, and in return received an even more irrational and rage-tastic reply than I got for poking fun at the OP. She does not want a discussion, just a platform to spam her twilitology articles.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            Then you deserve the same response - especially if you are a fan and/or an enabler:

            Blah, blah, BLAH... You are saying NOTHING that I have not heard over and over and OVER again in repsonse to people NOT KNOWING what the heck the ACTUAL problem is with both of these series. I've written more than one hub on the topic for that reason. IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING is why this stuff keeps getting repeated, and it is so EFFEN maddening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          2. Aime F profile image83
            Aime Fposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            Thank you! smile

        2. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          The point IS... You are CLUELESS about my opinion. All you know is that it is not the same as your's BUT you DON'T KNOW WHY.

          What are people like you afraid of?

          1. Aime F profile image83
            Aime Fposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            "People like me"?  Meaning what, exactly?  People with brown hair and freckles?  Alarmingly pale Canadians?  I can't speak for all of us, but I'm afraid of spiders and most insects, really.  Oh, and clowns. 

            I think you and whoever else are free to take issue with the story and movie and thus not read it or watch it.  All the power to you.  I also think you're free to spot problems with the storyline and express your opinions on those things in a productive way.  I actually share a lot of your sentiments regarding Twilight because the target audience is young girls. 

            My problem with what you've been saying is the implication that people who enjoy the books/movies are too stupid to understand them.  I think in reality most people understand that it's fiction and not something to base their real life relationships on.

      3. theraggededge profile image92
        theraggededgeposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Rude and uncalled for. You started the thread, but you don't like it when someone expresses a different, and valid, opinion. So you insult them and try to shout them down. Do you realise that your response says a lot more about you than you would like? Talk about controlling big_smile

        If you are genuinely worried about youngsters being groomed and manipulated by older men then have a look at this. Rotherham is in the UK, but I'm sure this is going on all over the world, perhaps in a city near you.

        http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/proje … index.html

        Maybe you can put all that rage to good use instead of just trying to stamp on FSoG and promote your own hub.

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          Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I've already reported her and this discussion for abuse.

        2. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Thanks so much for the ban, ladies. You’re too-tender-hearted in all the wrong places, IMO – probably because you’re obsessed, LoL! One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

          I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

          I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

          Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

          All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

          And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      And again because you keep skipping by this part:

      One thing that DOES concern me about these next two movies being made... Sam quit and they got a MAN to finish these movies up. They did the same thing with Twilight. Both female directors had creative issues with the storylines and ended up not continuing with those projects because of it.

      Many women KNOW what is wrong with this story. It isn't that we want it to go away - we just want to see it fixed because it IS a dangerous story for nieve women of all ages. You can't brush mistakes like this under the rug. But, you can learn from them.

      LOOK at the image I posted. I've told you more about the person who sent it in here - but of course, you're not READING & LISTENING - you are ASSUMING that I'm just a MEAN person who has nothing better to do but pick on a fictional story.

      LOOK at that image... if there is ONE like it there are hundreds (and possibly thousands. What is wrong with educating people about what is wrong with these books?

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        For example... It's not like it has to be a big hate campaign. It could be a Twitter like this:

        Hey #FiftyFamily We all LOVE #50Shades for good reasons. But just so fans #StaySafe - remember these important things to spot abusive behavior.

        And then there could be a graphic that spells it out similar to the one I made.

        1. Annsalo profile image83
          Annsaloposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          This is your first post on this thread that makes me fully understand what you are trying to do. I agree that women need to remember not to mix their fantasy with real life, and you really should have started this thread off with this included. I think we can all agree women need to know the signs of abuse, and none of us want any woman abused.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I fail to see how anyone could have taken my original message in here as anything other than 'nice' to begin with. So many of you obviously read a LOT more into it than what was there.

        2. Aime F profile image83
          Aime Fposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          See, this is totally fine and good.  You're not insulting anyone's intelligence or telling them they shouldn't like something.  This is what I mean by expressing your issues in a productive way.

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      Bronwyn Joy Ellioposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      + infinity

  12. FatFreddysCat profile image92
    FatFreddysCatposted 9 months ago

    I've seen the "50 Shades" movie and I can honestly say it did not make me want to experiment with BDSM -- it made me want to go to sleep. Seriously, that movie was BORING as HELL. it was the least erotic "erotic film" I've ever seen. I've gotten more of a charge out of watching reruns of "Charmed."

    1. Frenchie Kisses profile image79
      Frenchie Kissesposted 7 months ago in reply to this

      Ha Ha!!! Oh my lands, that was the best comment ever. Truly. All of my friends were hyped up over it, I didn't get it! But each to their own.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 7 months ago in reply to this

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  13. ahorseback profile image48
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    Does anyone here finally begin to "get it"   when  our entire American culture is all about , " Its all just  okay " when it comes to the  any measure in environments of discipline  for children ? In any idea's about   right and wrong ?  How many times have I seen parents sitting and watching violent movies  WITH the children in front of the TV. Or with ,often times, horrible social behavior in public in front of children , you know , the parents fighting  at the hockey game or dad yelling at the baseball coach , .....Hollywood doesn't care about your kids , about youth , about women ,  about perceived  "right or wrong " of anything . Hollywood is media !   Money dictates taste .  The only thing more surprising to me is  a teacher requiring kids to read this series .   I'll bet it's already happened .

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      But all that is the parents' responsibility, not the writers of this genre of fiction/movies. I have a 14 year-old daughter - I'm quite picky about what she is allowed to watch.

      Let's face it, questionable literature has been around since before the printing press. There's nothing new in sadomasochism.

      1. ahorseback profile image48
        ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I agree with you , literature  is free speech .   Only today's political correctness  dictates  who's to be "offended  for the day ".  Read it or don't read it is my call ,  but you know today someone is  going to be offended  by  anything.

  14. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 8 months ago

    No one said you were a bad person.  Just that creative freedom is more important that book/movie being made available that has messages we don't like. 

    Mein Kampf can be bought in any store that chooses to stock it. Would you suggest Meyer's ideas are more objectionable than Hitler's? What about the movie Crash or Human Centipede? (Don't Google them if you don't want to read about extremely gross stuff)  People are allowed to read stuff I/you/anyone doesn't like. Because we are not the boss of them.

    The role for advocacy against certain materials is to inform the public so they make good choices, not to ban the book/movie.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Again... I was NOT trying to 'ban' or 'censor' anything. And, you obviously missed beginning comments from others that have been 'snipped'. Thanks for the editing, HP. smile

      And AGAIN... For the life of me, I do NOT understand why people keep missing this - so I guess I will post this part again:

      One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

      I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

      I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

      Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

      And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

      All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

      And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

  15. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago

    What happened to Bronwyn?  She always seemed like a nice and reasonable person.

    1. Aime F profile image83
      Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Aw, I liked her too.  sad

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        She got 'snipped', too. Gee, I'm not the only one who got snipped in here, LoL! Here it is again. What is so MEAN and UNREASONABLE about this?

        Again... I was NOT trying to 'ban' or 'censor' anything. And, you obviously missed beginning comments from others that have been 'snipped'. Thanks for the editing, HP. smile

        And AGAIN... For the life of me, I do NOT understand why people keep missing this - so I guess I will post this part again:

        One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

        I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

        I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

        Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

        And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

        I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

        All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

        And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

        1. calculus-geometry profile image86
          calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Do you secretly work for Universal Pictures to run some kind of stealth publicity campaign for these movies?  Like making deranged forum posts about how dangerous these movies are so people will go see them? Sorry, but I have no intention of reading those books or watching the movies.

          I watched half a twilight movie on a plane but all the characters did was stare at each other.  I guess I can see how this might be a bad influence on children, staring is impolite and the movie encourages bad manners.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            If you are not interested in the subject, what is your problem and WHY are you trolling on this like you are? If you have no intention of reading anything - then don't and go away.

            One of the concerning things about these movies being made is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

            I’m really sick of being lectured by clueless know-it-alls. This 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source

            I’m a bad person for caring about the minority?!! There are REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.  As long as you can’t handle the FACTS to be curious as to WHAT is actually wrong with them – you’ll be indirectly responsible for things like this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

            Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so."

            And what about the young man in the news story above? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!

            I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

            All I asked for in the beginning of this thread was for HELP getting a correction about the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey out to fans because it IS important. I’m not going to apologize for that; and I will continue to have no respect for people who brush this stuff off without KNOWING what has ACTUALLY happened and WHY people (not just me) are concerned about it. As I have said, it DOES NOT have to be a big hate campaign; and people do not have to be sent back to my article. Most people like a reference on where things came from. If you don’t want to add it into your informative comments – then don’t.

            And, if you don’t want to HELP, then don’t! Go ahead and think what you will about me. If you are someone who is ignorantly condoning these movies – especially as a woman over 30 - you can be sure that my opinion of you is MUCH lower. Most of you ladies out there are not crazy – you’re ignorant and/or ‘following the crowd’. You have no interest in educating yourself or anyone else who may need it. So no, expect NO respect at all from me for any of you who have taken this harmfully-stubborn stance about Fifty Shades of Grey.

  16. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 8 months ago

    Fiction will not hurt any sane adult person who understands that fiction is in fact fictional.

    People unable to separate fiction from reality should be under some kind of responsible supervision stopping them from wandering into any theaters or books stores, because 50 Shades will be the least for their problems.

  17. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    If anything the movie brings to conscious light why one should not SUBMIT to crazies through some weird compulsion to go to the extreme in SUBMISSION.

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    There is another movie similar in genre:
    The Diary of a Teenage Girl.
    I picked it up it thinking it would be something cute. I didn't even check the rating. Its a movie which should not be watched by teens…

    or should it?


    Maybe they will realize not to fall for their mother's sick boyfriend, which they might have the inclination to do, given similar circumstances ….

    The message these types of movies offer to the public and seemingly enjoyed by the public is really this: Mothers, care about your daughters so they are not   S T U P I D   in their choices regarding men!!

    In this life, dominance and submission should stay in the realm of love … but it has a tendency to become deviated from that realm … toward deviation is where we need not tread ... (to what end would it be????? Death?)

    Is it OKAY for humans to  E N J O Y  violence, abusing, or being abused?

    PS These two movies DO NOT come to that conclusion.

  19. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    "Older women had NO right to take that pretty, dysfunctional fairytale away from girls; and do what has been done with it...

    It is because of this negligent publishing that caused all this misogynistic, worldwide bullying against Twilight Fans and Fifty Shades of Grey fans, alike."


    Huh? I am not really sure about your point.

    I am not interested in the vampire writings. I also walked into a theater and watched some scenes of the last Twilight movie where, before the crazy battle, they were standing around talking to each other.

    This issue just doesn't interest me and you are not helping.
    I have tried to understand you and the articles, but I just can't.
    Sorry.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Well, if you are a responsible adult, you should be interested in how the same kind of dysfunctional writing in The Twilight Saga - a pretty fairytale for young girls - ended up duplicated in Fifty Shades of Grey (except in hardcore XXX form). Essentially, 50 Shades IS the barely-hidden story of Stephenie Meyer's sexual fantasy within Twilight. This is another problem I have with both of these series - they make women writers look anything but good. WHY should we be taken seriously?!!

      How did Stephenie Meyer's amateur writing accidentally inspire Fifty Shades of Abuse? It's a very VERY good question. And, I WOULD be helping IF more responsible adults took this issue seriously. I know many of them do - I just need to reach them if I can't get clueless and/or careless Fifty Shades fans to help themselves.

      I mean, how much more affective would it be; AND how much less hyped-hate would come up against Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed - IF fans were to inform other fans about the abuse, themselves? It would 1) be accepted better; and 2) shut the protestors up - in fact, it would earn accolades.

      Tell me again how hateful I am. Yeah, I also care about the misogynistic bullying that Fifty Shades fans endure. It needs to stop. Fans educating fans would do it.
      ____________

      I focus on these two because of the professionally-negligent way that these two series were published. You would have to read the article for the details - YES, there ARE real literary reasons WHY both of these series 'accidentally' perpetuated this abusive slant in women AND girls heads.

      Fifty Shades of Grey is PROOF of Twilight over-obsessions in OLDER women. Older women had NO right to take that pretty, dysfunctional fairytale away from girls; and do what has been done with it...

      It is because of this negligent publishing that caused all this misogynistic, worldwide bullying against Twilight Fans and Fifty Shades of Grey fans, alike. I know you can't POSSIBLY believe that *I* am on the side of fans because I take their SAFEY far more seriously than I do their obsessions.

      It is negligent publishing that people KNOW ABOUT and continue to pass off DESPITE the evidence of the fanfiction retelling of The Twilight Saga into Fifty Shades of Grey. This is OLD information - and people were complaining about the amateur writing in the twilight saga CAUSING things like Fifty Shades of Grey to HAPPEN YEARS AGO - and it DID.

      Fans need to stop digging in their heels against telling the truth about the abuse that is coming across for the reasons I state in the article - good ones, real ones.

      If Fifty Shades of Grey is 'just a story' like Twilight was... WHY do you have a problem with informing fans of the 'abuse errors' within the text if it will give them real information that could keep them out of sexually-abusive danger zones?

      Someone really needs to explain that part to me... Because as well as I can explain absolutely EVERYTHING else surrounding both Twilight and Fifty Shades; that is the one thing that I have not been able to figure out: why are fans mad at me over that? Really?

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything, which is what so many of you keep accusing me of. That ISN’T what this message was originally ABOUT. Try actually reading it ALL THE WAY THROUGH before responding – then, you might not be as shrill about it. Gargantuan mistakes like this need to be LEARNED from. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

  20. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    "... they (these authors, EL James and Stephane Meyers,) make women writers look anything but good. WHY should we be taken seriously?!!"
                                   ~lol~

  21. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    "This is another problem I have with both of these series - they make women writers look anything but good. WHY should we be taken seriously?!!"

    No.  Dude. Just stop it.  If anyone bases their opinions of female authors by the ones who wrote Twilight and FSOG (this one especially is notorious for being poorly written) then they must be the only freaking books by women that they've ever picked up and their opinions on literature mean absolute squat.

    Jane Austen, Virginia Woolf, Maya Angelou, Margaret Atwood, Ursula K Le Guin, JK Rowling, and about 50 other well-known female authors to anyone who's ever spent more than 10 hours reading books are why we should be taken seriously and to suggest that a couple of crappy books from less talented authors overrides all of that is straight up insane. 

    Would you suggest that male authors wouldn't be taken seriously if a couple of bad books by men were published?  If the answer is no then you might want to rethink that silly argument.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Actually, I have a few things to say to men about all this, too. What I've said in here about these books is true; and there are MANY people who agree with me beyond the FSoG fandom. *I* simply took the time to write out what was 'officially' wrong with them. It isn't like you need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

      If you don't want to search out the literary failures of these series for yourself - don't continue to tell me that I'm wrong in here. Because you're clueless until you do that. LOTS of people like to inform me of how silly *I* am being or how crazy *I* am... But, NOT ONE PERSON has been able to ACTUALLY refute the part about professionally-negligent publishing - AT. ALL.

      If you don't want to research this subject - then stop posting in here because you're WAY off topic, as is Kathryn. This WASN'T a hateful post until OTHER people chose to make it hateful.

      Women are not stupid - the majority of us KNOW what is wrong with these books. Those of you who continue to defend them in ignorance are just as guilty as the irresponsible authors and publishers.

      I guess if I didn't know what I was responsible for, or care about the ramifications if I did - I would be saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over again about these books like fans do.

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything: http://hub.me/afKNf

      1. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        How am I off-topic?  I addressed a direct quote from your post! lol

        No, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that these books portray a very unhealthy relationship.  That's what most of us have been trying to say to you.  You seem to be having trouble grasping the concept that people can still read the books and watch the movies knowing that they should not model their real life relationships after this one.  It was published as erotic fiction, not a self-help relationship guidebook.

        You came out of the gates swinging your fists at people who dared to challenge your opinion, so don't play it off like you were all sunshine and rainbows and people needlessly got tense with you. 

        I don't think you're crazy but you do seem incapable of having a rational discussion with anyone who disagrees with you on any given topic.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          You are off topic because you keep trying to turn the conversation into something to argue about - which, YEAH, is really frustrating me because there is NOTHING to argue about. This stuff has already been proven (again, NOT MY OPINION); and the 'abuse' within the story has been highlighted - and yet, Fifty Shades of Grey fans continue to declare that everything is fine with it DESPITE things like this image from young girls.

          Again... we have NO IDEA how many women may have been affected by these books in negative ways because of the misinformation about abuse that it portrays to people who are clueless about the subject. Knowledge is power, not concent.

          This stuff is not my 'opinion' - it is based in fact; which is why I wrote this hub - to inform people. Did you read this part:

          I'm pretty sure that the reason why women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger. [1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape... 15% of sexual assault and rape victims are under age 12... Girls ages 16-19 are 4 times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault. Source]

          Professionally-negligent publishing is something that can be PROVEN and has been proven in this case over and over again.

          If this subject were a harmless 'opinion' thing - things would be different. But, it isn't. The divisions and arguments exist because of IGNORANCE - not opinion.

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything: http://hub.me/afKNf
          http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12939539.jpg

  22. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago
  23. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago

    These are not the only books that glamorize abusive and manipulative relationships, and they are far from the worst.  (The Hannibal Lecter books and movies glamorize murder and cannibalism!) Your narrow focus on these particular books/movies rather than abuse prevention in general is not helping anyone.  There must be plenty of volunteer opportunities in your city where you can help people vulnerable to abuse.

  24. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    You don't want to make life simple, like the CNN poll where the top ten sins in America is mostly sexual related.

    Sex is natural like eating and sleeping plus the greatest pleasure on earth when done well. The emotion intelligent is even more important than your intellectual intelligent when dealing with sexual relationships. Yes the sex and Violence's in Hollywood seem insane, yet anyone can push one button and turn it off, unless some phobia make you get turned on.

    I read you hub on 50 shade of Grey, still just emontional rants without unconsental rape evidents. She took on a short term pleasure bad boy hoping she can change the guy to a long term nice guy story. She was mistaken.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      IF you read my hub on this subject, then you would have already read this in response to your 'yet anyone can push one button and turn it off' point:

      YOU CAN'T UNREAD OR UNWATCH SOMETHING - OR RECLAIM WASTED TIME... Which is why the professionally-negligent publishing of both of these series is so wrong. Books that are 'professionally' published should be up to a certain standard to not cause arguments like this - much less potentially put their young and niave fans in danger.

  25. Misfit Chick profile image94
    Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago
    1. Aime F profile image83
      Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      People who can't understand the difference between fiction and reality are the problem and not the fiction itself.  Period. 

      What are your thoughts on Lolita?  Do you feel it normalizes pedophilia?

      If you have no desire to follow the rules then you shouldn't be here.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        That is a very narrow-minded view from someone who refuses to even look at the piles of evidence. I am well aware of the difference between fiction and reality - and that is the problem. If you have no desire to help with my original message in here, then you shouldn't be here.

        Do you understand that the Chicago Tribune story is a REAL thing that happened; and we have no idea how many others may be happening every day because of these books.

        Lolita isn't putting young girls in the danger zone. That is a believable story about believable-type people. Fiction, in general, is USUALLY okay no matter how bad it is... These two series are an EXCEPTION for very concerning 'professionally-negligent' reasons.

        Why do you keep ignoring this image? Why is it okay to you? KNOWLEDGE is power, not consent.
        http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12940385.jpg

        1. Aime F profile image83
          Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          It's a picture depicting erotic fantasy.  If it's kept in that context then yes it is completely fine by me.  I'm not terribly interested in yelling at people over their own personal sexual fantasies, as again, the vast majority of people keep fantasy and reality far, far apart.  That's why it's called a fantasy in the first place!

          Yes I understand that the Chicago Tribune article is a real thing that happened, and I also understand that no mentally stable human being is propelled into sexually assaulting women because of a book. 

          Re:  Lolita - I'm sure you're aware that there has always been opposition to the book.  You can find a bunch of articles written about how it puts young girls in danger and encourages abuse.  A lot of the same things you've been saying here.  Yet you're quick to dismiss those people and their opinions but can't understand people not agreeing with you?

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I really would not have a problem with people disagreeing with me - IF they actually knew what they were talking about. Again, you refuse to read the article and have judged it based on your repetitive, narrowminded acccusations.

            The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'dangerous' bad writing - another article excerpt:

            "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

            FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

            You completely missed the point about the Chicago Tribune article, as usual. I find it utterly amazing how you can tilt things around your passionate opinions about this subject. I just wish you would stop attempting to peg me when you don't even know me; OR the details behind these books being so negligently published.

            Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.

            Here's the link again - the next HP person who edits this hub is going to have lots of fun. smile
            http://hub.me/afKNf

  26. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    The was a heavy metal band who played a song on their record. The song these parents claim is where their young son OD himself on drugs and kill himself from the message.

    Is the boy an idiot or is the band murderers?
    Or both?

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Neither - the young boy got caught up in a fascinating emotional/psychologically fantasy.

      Which sort of proves my point, thank you... There are MANY people in this world who EASILY sink into fictional obsessions. You may know some of these people, ha!

      Toying with people's minds is uncool. This is where the abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey is - a cut & paste from the article:

      Christian Grey is no more a 'dom' than Edward Cullen was a 'real-make-believe vampire' - and this is what makes the character of Christian Grey dangerous:

      1) Christian confesses to Ana that he is into this kind of lifestyle (that she is not into - BDSM is very 'mutual') because he was emotionally disturbed as a child. Later, Ana apparently ‘cures’ him by somehow saving his soul from the grasp of it’s own dark evil. That RARELY happens in real life; and in fact, some women are killed trying to save their sick Mr. Grey’s - and sometimes those guys die in the process of women defending themselves.

      2) Romantic rape IS coercive and manipulative at any age, really. This is how most sexual abuse STARTS; and it can easily-lead to violence and rape. Also, not all abuse is violent. In fact, non-violent, 'subtle' abuse often feels just as bad as the hard stuff - because abusers like to make victims feel that things are their fault. 'Romantic rape' is one of the most often used manipulative tools that sexual predators use to initiate abuse in both children and 'consenting' adults. But of course, FSOG also contains a violent rape scene - that has also been approved by vast audiences of women.

      3) The most ‘harsh’ punishment a Dom/Domme can give out to (most) subs is to IGNORE or banish them – basically, they ‘withhold their power’ which can drive a sub to BEGGING! A Dominant wouldn’t rape or beat a submissive AS A RESPONSE when they get really (personally) mad at them.

      Dominants don’t do that because ABUSE isn’t the right way to respond; AND because that ‘might’ be a reward for a sub (maybe they are acting the way they are towards you in order to GET that kind of a reaction out of you) - NOT the desired effect, at all. Yes, ‘rape’ or whatever can certainly be a huge part of your consensual roleplay.

      Can you see the difference, now?

      “According to Sir Bamm, a member of the board of directors of the Safe, Sane and Consensual Network of North Carolina, a scene between respectful partners is a controlled environment. Abuse is an out-of-control situation in which the dominant partner's desires are inflicted on the submissive partner against her will.”
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  27. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago

    Out of morbid curiosity I did read your article that you keep spamming.  It's hard to follow because you have a very disorganized thought process, but if I had to summarize it, it's basically

    (1) You were are an adult woman who (as an adult) became obsessed with Twilight.
    (2) You blame the author for it because you believe the books are written in a way that makes obsession unavoidable.
    (3) You got over your obsession, but are still mad at the author
    (4) You are mad at the author of Twilight for having inspired another hack writer to pen 50 Shades of Gray.
    (5) You are mad at the author of 50 Shades because she twisted the story of Twilight into something sexual and abusive because the original Twilight story was too chaste  for adult fans and needed to be sexed up.
    (6) You blame the author of 50 Shades and Twilight for inspiring abusive relationships and obsessions.

    I probably got half of it wrong and you are going to call me ignorant again, LOL. This all sounds like something you should talk to a therapist about, to be frank.

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      That's the way I see it too... and I did read the hub (before misfitchick spams the thread again).

    2. SinDelle profile image95
      SinDelleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      This person is narcissistically obsessed with this subject and people need to stop feeding into it. It's only making it worse. Every time a person defends a delusion, it entrenches it into their psyche more.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        My apologies, I missed this. I must have been arguing with someone about something stupid. Thanks for reading it, I know its long. As far as being disorganized, no - just too long because it combines two different stories that happened to be too-connected to separate.
        ______________

        Out of morbid curiosity I did read your article that you keep spamming.  It's hard to follow because you have a very disorganized thought process, but if I had to summarize it, it's basically

        (1) You were are an adult woman who (as an adult) became obsessed with Twilight. (As many other older women, like EL James, did. In my case AND many others, it was an INVOLUNTARY 'obsession' that was too DEEP because of the shallow character writing and NON-editing that made characters too personal and sometimes too intimate for each individual. NO, not every single person became overly-obsessed or even obsessed with it, at all.)

        (2) You blame the author for it because you believe the books are written in a way that makes obsession unavoidable. (I indirectly blame the amateur author - her publishers damn well KNEW how to publish a book correctly and didn't do it.)

        (3) You got over your obsession, but are still mad at the author. (I'm still mad at the author because of all the over-obsessions that continue with it - and the misogynistic bullying from the WORLD that still continues toward twilight fans; and continues with FSoG fans.)

        (4) You are mad at the author of Twilight for having inspired another hack writer to pen 50 Shades of Gray. (VERY mad about this point for the reasons I stated in the beginning of the article.)

        (5) You are mad at the author of 50 Shades because she twisted the story of Twilight into something sexual and abusive because the original Twilight story was too chaste  for adult fans and needed to be sexed up. (No, it was already plenty 'sexed up'; which is why Fifty Shades came out of it. Stephenie Meyer simply had to REMOVE all her nasty writing before it was published for little girls - and the BLANKS is what created things like Christian Grey.)

        (6) You blame the author of 50 Shades and Twilight for inspiring abusive relationships and obsessions. (I blame her publishers for Stephenie Meyer's accidental literary dysfunctions that caused all this ridiculous chaos.)

        I probably got half of it wrong and you are going to call me ignorant again, LOL. This all sounds like something you should talk to a therapist about, to be frank.

        Yes, I am well-aware of your opinion of my head. Knock it off.
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        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Now back to the beginning!! smile

          The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

          Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

          There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

          The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
          __________

          For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

          I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

          The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

          That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

          A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

          The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

  28. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago

    We learned from one of Misfit Chick's posts regarding sexual predators:

    1."Romantic rape is subtle, coercive and manipulative and used on both children and consenting adults. Most sexual abuse starts in a non-violent way and then escalates to an out-of-control situation in which the dominant partner's desires are inflicted on the submissive partner against their will.

    2. Abusers blame their victims to manipulate them.

    3. "The most ‘harsh’ punishment a Dom/Domme can give out to (most) Subs is to ignore or banish them – basically, they ‘withhold their power’ which can drive a sub to begging!"

    4. Dominants don't rape or beat Submissives when they are upset with them "because abuse isn’t the right way to respond and because that ‘might’ be a reward for a sub (maybe they are acting the way they are towards you in order to get that kind of a reaction out of you) - not the desired effect, at all."

    5. ‘Rape can be a "huge part of consensual role play."




                                                                   ~ yikes ~
                                                                     ! ! !

    Oh the games people play!
    Thank you, M. Chick!
    To bring this issue to conscious light is very revealing
    and in the end, helpful to avoid such escapades with ANYONE, ever!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I agree to avoid such excapades. In the movie, (just a movie) in real life, once she had seen the sexual torture chamber, she should have RUN!!!!

      Her choice was to play, and played in each step of pain and pleasure experiences. She was not permanently damaged physically, her mind and heart can repair from such a bad boyfriend.

      I on the other hand, I was drugged at age 12 with unconsenting sex (man) I thought I was gay back then, like rape sex pregnant.

      They would have lock him and me up, for a criminal crimes and put in with a lot of other gays. Once I knew I was not gay and gay is normal anyways. I had no regrets. Unless the church police want to send me to hell, that is another form of Insanity.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Yep, everyone across the board has to watch out for those with hearts of coal.
        black coal.

      2. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        If you really think that fact that YOU have been abused - and can still handle this story - makes things okay, you're wrong. Why the fluck do you think *I* am up here? I just made all this up, right? As an adult, it simply makes you a condoner and an enabler like every other adult who brushes this series off.

        I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.

        Not my problem. I'm just a messenger. wink

        Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.

        The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:

        "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

        FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

        There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.

        What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!

        I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          By keep repeating yourself does not make you anymore truthful or correct, just religious. Too much repeating can turn you into an insane parret.

          I never said rape or child molestation was normal. On a CNN American ten top worst sins polls. Rape or child molesting was not on the list, yet it is in my books.  It's just the movie, is not in the same ball park.

          CNN polls had other worthless sins like pot, cheating on taxes, gay sex, sex out of wedlock and adultery. Meaning you would send about everybody to hell for.  I can think of 100s of other greater sins or crimes.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Good, glad you learned something - now pass it around so other fans can be aware of it.

    3. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      If it's consensual, it's nothing to do with anyone else. Private stuff. Who are we to judge?

  29. Misfit Chick profile image94
    Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago

    I keep repeating this stuff so that the reason why this post is here stays on top and doesn't get sidetracked. I don't care about 'sins'; and this article has nothing to do with that - beyond a couple of incredibly ignorant & selfish amateur authors and their 'professional' publishers committing blatant non-crimes against humanity, LoL!

    I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.

    Not my problem. I'm just a messenger. wink

    Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.

    The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:

    "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

    FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

    There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.

    What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!

    I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      On the forums, we call it spam and self promotion.

      We get it. We do actually get it. However...

      1. There's a difference between consent and non-consent. Consensual is fine. Non-consensual is a police/parent/social services issue.

      2. It's a book/movie. Parents should be in control of the viewing/reading material of teenagers.

      3. You are rude and insulting to people who present an alternative viewpoint to yours.

      4. There are many, many books throughout literature far worse than FSoG.

      5. Anyone who seeks to control another is a sociopath (you might want to think about that one).

  30. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    Sent it to Freight Trains R/US..

    This much cut and paste is an act of mental terrorism

    My dreams are to be free.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      How the heck is it mental terrorism? Don't read/follow it. It isn't my fault that you aren't 'getting' this stuff. I think I've said over and over again that the article needs to be read to understand 'what has happened' with the professionally-negligent publishing in both Twilight and Fifty Shades.

      Not my problem. I'm just a messenger. wink

      I will say one good thing about these movies... I like the leads and the way they are generally handling things. Dakota Johnson has a quirky sparkle just like her mom, and I just love that girl!! (Did you see her on SNL? Hysterical!) However, I really do wish that they would stop proliferating the 'consent is everything' part - other than that, they are both doing great; and woohoo on another new Jamie baby. smile

      Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent.

      The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:

      "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

      FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

      There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.

      What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - http://hub.me/afKNf
      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12941806.jpg

      1. Rodeon profile image63
        Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        "Should I just forbid my child from going on-line?

        There are dangers in every part of our society. By educating your children to these dangers and taking appropriate steps to protect them, they can benefit from the wealth of information now available on-line."

        1. Rodeon profile image63
          Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this
        2. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          The internet is obviously full of both information and danger - and the possibility of connections. It is like a whole nother world where anything either good or bad can happen - just like our 'real' world. No, I would not keep kids from the internet - this is their world and many of them need to learn how to navigate it, just like life.

          There is a place online called fanfiction.net - and that is the place for stuff like The Twilight Saga and Fifty Shades of Grey. People know what the writing is like on that site, and LOTS of young girls and women participate with all kinds of embellished fanfiction. It is safe because we KNOW that the writing 'isn't good' - it's just for fun. But, when you read a professionally-published book it is a different experience. Standards are (usually) much higher.

          When REAL information comes across on the internet that warns people of something like professionally-negligent publishing being responsible for turning a pretty fairytale for young girls into a misleading XXX story about abuse for their moms - THAT is something that *I* would want to know about.

          I didn't have any choice in writing my blogs or this article like I did. I came into Twilight in 2010, then discovered this past stuff about it in 2011. Things have continued to spiral out of control in a blatantly harmful way through the years while both amateur authors are allowed to flip the whole wide 'knowing' world off while their clueless and/or careless fans swarm around them for protection.

          I'm sorry, but those kind of mistakes WILL come back to haunt you. If not now, someday - and hopefully only a few people get hurt over it in the meantime (when there should not be anyone who gets hurt over it).

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

          1. Rodeon profile image63
            Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            +1!

  31. Rodeon profile image63
    Rodeonposted 8 months ago

    I'm a party pooper messenger. smile

  32. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    If I were gay, or watched porn, had unwed sex, S&M sex, had affairs, and worst watched 50 Shade of Grey.It would not be any of the Government, Or Religious or your Bussiness.

    There is 1000s of greater issues and things that matter than a edgy movie is my point.

    I'ts fine you have good intention to address sexual abuse and rape that part is valid.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I am no longer going to respond to this argumentative stuff aside from cut & pastes that you should be reading/responding to if you can't handle the original request - because ONE more time: that ISN'T what this post was supposed to be about. You can all tell me that I'm crazy and stupid till the cows come home - and you would still be wrong because you refuse to educate yourself.

      Not my problem. I'm just a messenger.

      Ignorance is bliss; and knowledge is power - not consent. wink

      The difference between Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing - another article excerpt:

      "When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one (like men) that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition."

      FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

      There are REAL REASONS WHY these books are DIFFERENT than any other books that have EVER been published. Really.

      What about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may have happened?!!

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

    2. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      She doesn't get it. She's using this thread as a platform to get attention.

  33. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 8 months ago

    The internet is indeed full of danger, as is the real world.  The answer is to supervise people not yet able to make good decisions, not to try and bubble wrap all of creation.

    1. Rodeon profile image63
      Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      +1. smile

    2. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      +1

    3. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Please LISTEN to me… I am NOT a mean, bad person who is trying to get into everyone’s face about this issue. In fact, I have a very good idea to greatly-minimize the hate-hype that you know is coming with Darker and Freed. YOU are the ones who are turning this issue into an argument. If you actually read the article, you would SEE that I am on the side of FANS. The misogynistic worldwide bullying of Fifty Shades of Grey fans has been as harmful as the books themselves have been. It is the same way with Twilight Fans – they are STILL being bullied in ridiculously-misogynistic ways across the entire world, every day.

      The publisher of Twilight - Little, Brown and Company, has FOUR BLACK X’s of ‘professionally-negligent’ publishing against it. This is why Twilight was so 'special' - because no other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way from the BEGINNING of the very first book. Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

      One of the concerning things about the 50 Shades movies being made the way they are is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

      Most people don't remember that Stephenie Meyer's writing was under heavy criticism for the exact same reasons that Erika's has been. Why are so many older women more obsessed with Twilight than younger girls? Why are there hardly any male Twilight fans? Why are there so many anti-Twilight bullies & haters? Why did the fandom fracture into smaller fanbases? How did these barely-edited, harmful books get published or ever win any awards?

      Did you know that Stephenie Meyer's publisher didn’t want to publish Breaking Dawn? Did you know that New Moon & Eclipse were not supposed to be in between the first and last Twilight books? Do you ‘get’ that she didn’t mean to cause her OLDER fans - especially - to see Edward Cullen the way they came to see him as Christian Grey? Do you understand that these are the main reasons why the world has always and STILL bullies Twilight Fans - because of Stephenie Meyer's amateur writing mistakes?

      When REAL information comes across on the internet that warns people of something like professionally-negligent publishing being responsible for turning a pretty fairytale for young girls into a misleading XXX story about abuse for their moms - THAT is something adults should want to know about.

      Especially when it HAS resulted in multiple lawsuits around the world being blamed on this series – that is BELIEVABLE. For instance, what about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may be happening?!!

      Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." You know they will - they did. Read some of the comments in the lawsuit link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … tory.html.

      I'm sorry, but these kind of mistakes WILL come back to haunt you. If not now, someday - and hopefully only a few people get hurt over it in the meantime (when there should not be anyone who gets hurt over it). Women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger.

      The difference between a book like Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing:

      FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

      1. theraggededge profile image92
        theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        You are obsessed. You know every little detail about the actors, the production - everything. I bet you've read FSoG over and over, watched the movie over and over.

        In real life 99.99% of people will dismiss it as badly written, gratuitous rubbish. The small percentage of 'fans' who decide to engage and experiment do it because they want to. Someone who gets in over their head should go to their parents/police if a criminal act is taking place.

        What do you actually want us to do? Action-wise?

        Read your hub? - Done.
        Sign a petition? Where is it? I assume you have one online.
        Put a link to your hub on our blogs - no.
        Tell our daughters about the dangers - already done.
        Monitor what our teens read? - already done.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Thank you for yet another assumptive opinion of me. I don't have a petition - you're not listening, as usual - are you sure that YOU are not the one who is obsessed? (and you claim  to have read the original 'question' and hub, ha!). I'm getting awfully sick of re-explaining myself over and over again (don't worry, I've been talking about the dangers of The Twilight Saga for years; and I have no intention of stopping). Fifty Shades of Grey is just PROOF of the professionally-negligent publishing in Twilight; PLUS, it has its own seriously professionally-negligent publishing issues.

          No, I'm not obsessed with this series, I have not read it over and over again - nor have I seen the movie. However, I've read through as much as the books as I could; and I know how a pretty little fairytale for young girls accidentally-inspired it - AS WELL as the 'abuse' in it. If you don't care about all the hate-hype that swirls around this movie and everyone YOU know is safe - then you can obviously relax with a clear conscious:

          Please LISTEN to me… I am NOT a mean, bad person who is trying to get into everyone’s face about this issue. In fact, I have a very good idea to greatly-minimize the hate-hype that you know is coming with Darker and Freed. YOU are the ones who are turning this issue into an argument. If you actually read the article, you would SEE that I am on the side of FANS. The misogynistic worldwide bullying of Fifty Shades of Grey fans has been as harmful as the books themselves have been. It is the same way with Twilight Fans – they are STILL being bullied in ridiculously-misogynistic ways across the entire world, every day.

          The publisher of Twilight - Little, Brown and Company, has FOUR BLACK X’s of ‘professionally-negligent’ publishing against it. This is why Twilight was so 'special' - because no other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way from the BEGINNING of the very first book. Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

          One of the concerning things about the 50 Shades movies being made the way they are is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

          Most people don't remember that Stephenie Meyer's writing was under heavy criticism for the exact same reasons that Erika's has been. Why are so many older women more obsessed with Twilight than younger girls? Why are there hardly any male Twilight fans? Why are there so many anti-Twilight bullies & haters? Why did the fandom fracture into smaller fanbases? How did these barely-edited, harmful books get published or ever win any awards?

          Did you know that Stephenie Meyer's publisher didn’t want to publish Breaking Dawn? Did you know that New Moon & Eclipse were not supposed to be in between the first and last Twilight books? Do you ‘get’ that she didn’t mean to cause her OLDER fans - especially - to see Edward Cullen the way they came to see him as Christian Grey? Do you understand that these are the main reasons why the world has always and STILL bullies Twilight Fans - because of Stephenie Meyer's amateur writing mistakes?

          When REAL information comes across on the internet that warns people of something like professionally-negligent publishing being responsible for turning a pretty fairytale for young girls into a misleading XXX story about abuse for their moms - THAT is something adults should want to know about.

          Especially when it HAS resulted in multiple lawsuits around the world being blamed on this series – that is BELIEVABLE. For instance, what about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may be happening?!!

          Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." You know they will - they did. Read some of the comments in the lawsuit link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … tory.html.

          I'm sorry, but these kind of mistakes WILL come back to haunt you. If not now, someday - and hopefully only a few people get hurt over it in the meantime (when there should not be anyone who gets hurt over it). Women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger.

          The difference between a book like Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing:

          FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

          I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

          1. theraggededge profile image92
            theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Rude and insulting yet again.

            You have made assumptions about every poster on this thread. You already labelled me as being obsessed with FSoG or BSDM, I forget which; neither is true in any case.

            I'll repeat once more... what do you want from us? Trying to decipher what point you are trying to make is impossible because you bury it in great mounds of inconsequential text.

            Make your point in one sentence. Then tell us what you want from Hubbers in one sentence.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Lo, in one sentence

            2. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              I know, the description and title of this question is so unclear: “Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey”.

              If you had read my spotlight article on this subject, you would have seen this included with an image: “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?”

              And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”. I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.

              It doesn't have to be a bunch of hate-hype - like you know what is coming with the Darker and Freed movies. It could even be done by fans in a 'humorous' or fun way. Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

              My apologies if you are offended by my ‘rude and insulting’ assumptions. I’m sure the fact that so many inaccurate assumptions have been made about me has not contributed to reciprocal accusations, at all. I’ve been told all kind of things about myself from people who refuse to inform themselves about something they choose to believe doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean that this situation didn’t happen and doesn’t actually exist. I try not to get angry with people about their ignorance; but that is damn near impossible when confronted with people who see me as attacking ‘free speech’ or the freedom of the imagination to create – when NOTHING could be further from the truth. *I* am a celebrator of the creative process.

              If you read the article, you would have seen – AGAIN – that I am on the side of ANY kind of ‘obsessed’ fans:

              “Anything is 'Okay' in fiction (which is why people originally brushed Twilight's literary errors off) - but, when it results in harmful blockbuster fanfiction like Fifty Shades of Grey that literally has the potential to put misinformed fans in physical danger; and causes MORE worldwide misogynistic bullying against female fans - on TOP of the worldwide, misogynistic bullying of Twilight Fans and HUMAN celebrities that has gone on for so long - uncool. It ALL needs to stop, now.”

              I’m tired of being judged when – AGAIN AGAIN – I am not the only person with this opinion. In fact, others have gone into far more depth to demonstrate the abusive offenses of these books using direct quotes from them. I did not feel a need to do that since I could see how the abuse developed via ‘accidental-inspiration’ from The Twilight Saga: which is why Stephenie Meyer’s dysfunctional, amateur writing used to be under the exact same scrutiny as Erika’s has been. Erika’s writing is simply proof of the dangers in Steph’s writing that people used to talk about.

              The very FACT that all of this can be – and has been PROVEN over and over again about such a controversial topic – is of interest to many people. If it isn’t to you for whatever reason – AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN – please move on if this subject is not a concern of your’s.

              That isn’t meant to be either mean or rude – it is meant to open up this conversation between people who actually care about it. But, when it is clogged up with ignorance on top of ignorance - that is so uncool. Don’t stay if you don’t like it in here.

        2. calculus-geometry profile image86
          calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Actually, I did a little snooping and she does have an online petition against the ending of Twilight. It's under a slightly different name than the one she uses here.  Not only does it protest the ending of Twilight, but also demands 50% of the profits.  (It has two signatures -- the author and a Ukrainian spammer.)

          I also found a dozen media accounts (Twitter, Blogger, Youtube, etc.) operated by the OP that are devoted solely to railing against Twilight.  Her videos are a little more coherent than her writing.

          I don't want to post the links here or out the OP's real name, but suffice it to say there is probably no reasoning with her in light of the staggering amount of time she devotes to this. Her obsession with Twilight has now morphed into a fixation on FSOG.

          It's amusing that when anyone points out how obsessed she is or defends the authors' rights to write whatever they want, her response is to say her accuser is obsessed with Twilight/FSOG.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Wow, you’re quite the ingenious sleuth, aren’t you? Instead of simply taking the time to read the actual article - you found three social media accounts; and you would have found a Facebook account if your search would have been more thorough (FB: “A Different Twilight”).

            You did NOT find a dozen accounts. No need to worry about sharing my name – I don’t use either my real first or last name in any of my online accounts at all. I’m not stupid. I started writing about this subject in 2011 with Twilight Fans; and we all know how passionately-crazy some of those girls are, LoL! Fifty Shades of Grey fans are no different for the same reasons.

            In fact, I recently had a comment at the bottom of one of my blogs from a Fifty Shades of Grey fan who has also possibly been a Twilight Fan – since she was in my blog reading about ‘how to get over a twilight obsession’. This is what she wrote: “You should do one on how Jamie Dornan fans treat and hate on Dakota Johnson.”

            My response: “I hadn't noticed much bullying of Dakota - *I* LOVE that girl, LoL! But, it stands to reason that if she is basically playing 'Bella's old role' - she is going to be hated for the same ridiculous reasons. That isn't an excuse - we just have to hope that people realize their 'craziness' and snap out of it sooner rather than later. smile

            You completely wasted your time, I don’t HIDE anything from people in my spotlight article about this stuff – I tell you the whole story and even include one of my original videos as semi-proof of Erika’s dysfunctional obsession that was ‘accidentally-inspired’ by Twilight (which was recorded before I had even heard of 50 Shades of Grey). You can’t unwatch or unread something – or reclaim wasted time. *My* obsession (along with the obsession of many many former Twilight fans) is HOW WE KNOW how Erika’s obsession developed and progressed (no, I am not the only person who is well-aware of this information).

            I also talk about the petition – the one you found is very old (I thought it was gone). I actually had TWO petitions – that 50% one is older than the revamped 25% ‘demand’; and it had a lot more signatures. The petition was for Stephenie Meyer’s publishers & producers to put 25% of their profits toward writing educations for young adults as a repercussion for their irresponsible, professionally-negligent publishing and movies that somehow were allowed to morph into these ridiculous over-obsessions (again, before I had heard of Fifty Shades; although I learned about it shortly after I put the petition up – and laughed hysterically about it, at first – until it wasn’t funny, anymore).

            The petition came down immediately in July 2012 when Kristen Stewart’s cheating scandal started. In fact, a LOT of ‘anti-twilight’ stuff came down when that happened because some (not all) anti-twilight fans felt really sorry for all the painful misogynistic bullying Twilight’s obsessed movie fangirlz were going through. The world got pretty mean to them – as it was before and still is. It will not change with 50 Shades fans, either - unless fans take the initiative to change it.

            NEWSFLASH: Those two petitions were not the first petitions against The Twilight Saga for the same reasons. I simply came into this argument late, in 2010. When Breaking Dawn was published in 2008, there were more of them and people were MAD. Maybe you weren’t around or paying attention at that time. Many people came into The Twilight Saga after the movies started and are completely clueless about the volatile history of Twilight.

            I was also ‘a clueless Twilight movie fan’ at one point in time - but, I’m here now to remind everyone.

            This is not a subject that I will drop until something changes surrounding it for the very good reasons I have stated in so many ways. Why? Because its all so wrong. Yeah, worldwide bullying and leaving clueless fans to believe what they believe about these books without informing them of the truth is wrong.

            I’m an Aries… stop arguing with me. Either help or get out of the way. wink

  34. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    The fact that Christian is mentally ill and using his sexual endeavours as a response to abuse as a child is quite clearly explained in the books.  If that's not a way of saying "dude is not doing BDSM right and is bringing his girlfriend into his twistedness" then I don't know what is.  What's deceitful here?  For the millionth time, most adults who read the books/see the movies can see that they are not portraying a healthy relationship to model their own lives after, and if "naive young girls" are reading the books/seeing the movies then the parents have messed up and need to correct it by explaining it themselves. 

    We don't need public outrage to tell people what they already know. 

    I'm sorry that you feel personally victimized by these stories but perhaps calculus-geometry was right in suggesting you seek professional help.  And I'm not saying that to be unkind, you just appear to be quite fixated on this and unable to claim responsibility for your obsessions.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Careful you can get cut and word pasted.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      This is a partial answer to your question:

      Christian confesses to Ana that he is into this kind of lifestyle (that she is not into - BDSM is very 'mutual') because he was emotionally disturbed as a child. Later, Ana apparently ‘cures’ him by somehow saving his soul from the grasp of it’s own dark evil. That RARELY happens in real life; and in fact, some women are killed trying to save their sick Mr. Grey’s - and sometimes those guys die in the process of women defending themselves.

      Thank you for being concerned about my mental health. I am well-aware of what my brain 'seems like' to people who are passionate about this subject and who don't want to hear this stuff:

      Please LISTEN to me… I am NOT a mean, bad person who is trying to get into everyone’s face about this issue. In fact, I have a very good idea to greatly-minimize the hate-hype that you know is coming with Darker and Freed. YOU are the ones who are turning this issue into an argument. If you actually read the article, you would SEE that I am on the side of FANS. The misogynistic worldwide bullying of Fifty Shades of Grey fans has been as harmful as the books themselves have been. It is the same way with Twilight Fans – they are STILL being bullied in ridiculously-misogynistic ways across the entire world, every day.

      The publisher of Twilight - Little, Brown and Company, has FOUR BLACK X’s of ‘professionally-negligent’ publishing against it. This is why Twilight was so 'special' - because no other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way from the BEGINNING of the very first book. Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

      One of the concerning things about the 50 Shades movies being made the way they are is that the original female director and scriptwriter bowed out do to creative differences - and now men have been given the reigns. The same thing happened to The Twilight Saga - both original female directors had creative issues with the storylines; and both refused to tell the story like the ignorant amateur authors wanted it to be told.

      Most people don't remember that Stephenie Meyer's writing was under heavy criticism for the exact same reasons that Erika's has been. Why are so many older women more obsessed with Twilight than younger girls? Why are there hardly any male Twilight fans? Why are there so many anti-Twilight bullies & haters? Why did the fandom fracture into smaller fanbases? How did these barely-edited, harmful books get published or ever win any awards?

      Did you know that Stephenie Meyer's publisher didn’t want to publish Breaking Dawn? Did you know that New Moon & Eclipse were not supposed to be in between the first and last Twilight books? Do you ‘get’ that she didn’t mean to cause her OLDER fans - especially - to see Edward Cullen the way they came to see him as Christian Grey? Do you understand that these are the main reasons why the world has always and STILL bullies Twilight Fans - because of Stephenie Meyer's amateur writing mistakes?

      When REAL information comes across on the internet that warns people of something like professionally-negligent publishing being responsible for turning a pretty fairytale for young girls into a misleading XXX story about abuse for their moms - THAT is something adults should want to know about.

      Especially when it HAS resulted in multiple lawsuits around the world being blamed on this series – that is BELIEVABLE. For instance, what about the young man in the Chicago news story that none of you view as a big deal? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!! How many more situations like this may be happening?!!

      Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." You know they will - they did. Read some of the comments in the lawsuit link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … tory.html.

      I'm sorry, but these kind of mistakes WILL come back to haunt you. If not now, someday - and hopefully only a few people get hurt over it in the meantime (when there should not be anyone who gets hurt over it). Women continue to brush this story off is because most of them are NOT FAMILIAR with abuse - yet, and hopefully never. The fact that most people go through their lives without having one or multiple sexually abusive encounters would normally be a good thing. But, this 'majority' is putting themselves and our daughters in danger.

      The difference between a book like Lolita and FSoG is that Lolita is an accurate portrayal of abusive behavior. It is 'in your face' blatant and obvious. You can read the book or watch the movie - knowing that, your choice. Does it help proliferate abuse? Maybe. But, this is the difference between 'normal' bad writing and 'professionally-negligent' bad writing:

      FSoG deceives fans by portraying an obviously-abusive character that has been forced into a BDSM storyline (in order to make it seem like he isn't really being abusive) that includes one hardcore setting after another - scenes that didn't even need to actually be in the story in order to tell the story - using a serious problem that is already WAY TOO NORMALIZED in our world.

      I’m not crazy, I’m not wrong, I’m NOT alone in this opinion (stop acting like I am) – AND I’m not trying to CENSOR anything. All the gory deets here - <link snipped>

  35. FatFreddysCat profile image92
    FatFreddysCatposted 8 months ago

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  36. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    OK so what do you want us to do again?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Let it die.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Mr. Freedom... Stop trampling on MY rights to Free Speech. Don't stay in here if this subject is not your thing. I'm not twisting your arm; and I will continue to blast these responses at you - which only makes this question become bigger and more popular on the front page.

        You completely wasted your time, I don’t HIDE anything from people in my spotlight article about this stuff – I tell you the whole story and even include one of my original videos as semi-proof of Erika’s dysfunctional obsession that was ‘accidentally-inspired’ by Twilight (which was recorded before I had even heard of 50 Shades of Grey). You can’t unwatch or unread something – or reclaim wasted time. *My* obsession (along with the obsession of many many former Twilight fans) is HOW WE KNOW how Erika’s obsession developed and progressed (no, I am not the only person who is well-aware of this information).

        I also talk about the petition – the one you found is very old (I thought it was gone). I actually had TWO petitions – that 50% one is older than the revamped 25% ‘demand’; and it had a lot more signatures. The petition was for Stephenie Meyer’s publishers & producers to put 25% of their profits toward writing educations for young adults as a repercussion for their irresponsible, professionally-negligent publishing and movies that somehow were allowed to morph into these ridiculous over-obsessions (again, before I had heard of Fifty Shades; although I learned about it shortly after I put the petition up – and laughed hysterically about it, at first – until it wasn’t funny, anymore).

        The petition came down immediately in July 2012 when Kristen Stewart’s cheating scandal started. In fact, a LOT of ‘anti-twilight’ stuff came down when that happened because some (not all) anti-twilight fans felt really sorry for all the painful misogynistic bullying Twilight’s obsessed movie fangirlz were going through. The world got pretty mean to them – as it was before and still is. It will not change with 50 Shades fans, either - unless fans take the initiative to change it.

        NEWSFLASH: Those two petitions were not the first petitions against The Twilight Saga for the same reasons. I simply came into this argument late, in 2010. When Breaking Dawn was published in 2008, there were more of them and people were MAD. Maybe you weren’t around or paying attention at that time. Many people came into The Twilight Saga after the movies started and are completely clueless about the volatile history of Twilight.

        I was also ‘a clueless Twilight movie fan’ at one point in time - but, I’m here now to remind everyone.

        This is not a subject that I will drop until something changes surrounding it for the very good reasons I have stated in so many ways. Why? Because its all so wrong. Yeah, worldwide bullying and leaving clueless fans to believe what they believe about these books without informing them of the truth is wrong.

        I’m an Aries… stop arguing with me. Either help or get out of the way.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Why do you continue to denigrate fans as 'clueless'? You don't know that. Maybe they just enjoy it. Leaving people to believe what they believe is not 'wrong'. Thinking you are right and they are wrong is how wars start.

          Also, you need to understand that the more you push against something, the bigger it gets. The more people rail against Twilight, FSoG, Harry Potter, etc. the more energy they give to it. The longer you focus your own attention on it, the more important it becomes to you, until it becomes an obsession. You may not want to 'drop' it, but that's the only way these fads and fashions disappear - by everyone 'dropping' it, i.e. removing their attention from it.

          Your last sentence smacks of bullying, by the way. This is a thread on HubPages. It doesn't belong to you, and anyone is free to participate, like it or not.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            "Thinking you are right and they are wrong is how wars start."

            What about the worldwide misogynistic bullying against FSoG fangirls? You don't see a reason to fight against that - which is at least half the reason to put my idea into action? Again, if I was the only person fighting this battle, it would be one thing - but, I'm not. I don't run from battles that need to be fought - no matter how hopeless they are - especially when it has to do with bullying young girls and putting them into phyisical danger. That is what I meant in my last 'bullying' line since you chose to take it that way.

            If you were actually participating instead of making ignorant assumptions - I wouldn't have to suggest that you move on from this discussion. You seem like an old enough person for me not to have to say that to. If this isn't a subject that interests you - then WHY are you in here? I'm going to guess that you're a power-tripper who gets off on 'putting people in their place'. From my perspective, your clueless carelessness is irresponsible, dangerous and foolish.

            Dropping the subject and moving on from it doesn't accomplish anything.

            It doesn't have to be a bunch of hate-hype - like you know what is coming with the Darker and Freed movies. It could even be done by fans in a 'humorous' or fun way. Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

            My apologies if you are offended by my ‘rude and insulting’ assumptions. I’m sure the fact that so many inaccurate assumptions have been made about me has not contributed to reciprocal accusations, at all. I’ve been told all kind of things about myself from people who refuse to inform themselves about something they choose to believe doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean that this situation didn’t happen and doesn’t actually exist. I try not to get angry with people about their ignorance; but that is damn near impossible when confronted with people who see me as attacking ‘free speech’ or the freedom of the imagination to create – when NOTHING could be further from the truth. *I* am a celebrator of the creative process.

            If you read the article, you would have seen – AGAIN – that I am on the side of ANY kind of ‘obsessed’ fans:

            “Anything is 'Okay' in fiction (which is why people originally brushed Twilight's literary errors off) - but, when it results in harmful blockbuster fanfiction like Fifty Shades of Grey that literally has the potential to put misinformed fans in physical danger; and causes MORE worldwide misogynistic bullying against female fans - on TOP of the worldwide, misogynistic bullying of Twilight Fans and HUMAN celebrities that has gone on for so long - uncool. It ALL needs to stop, now.”

            I’m tired of being judged when – AGAIN AGAIN – I am not the only person with this opinion. In fact, others have gone into far more depth to demonstrate the abusive offenses of these books using direct quotes from them. I did not feel a need to do that since I could see how the abuse developed via ‘accidental-inspiration’ from The Twilight Saga: which is why Stephenie Meyer’s dysfunctional, amateur writing used to be under the exact same scrutiny as Erika’s has been. Erika’s writing is simply proof of the dangers in Steph’s writing that people used to talk about.

            The very FACT that all of this can be – and has been PROVEN over and over again about such a controversial topic – is of interest to many people. If it isn’t to you for whatever reason – AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN – please move on if this subject is not a concern of your’s.

            That isn’t meant to be either mean or rude – it is meant to open up this conversation between people who actually care about it. But, when it is clogged up with ignorance on top of ignorance - that is so uncool. Don’t stay if you don’t like it in here.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help you pass it around. It can be done in a 'fun' way - hell, find a way to make fun of haters while you're at it.
      __________________

      “Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey”.

      If you had read my spotlight article on this subject, you would have seen this included with an image: “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?”

      And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”. I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.

      It doesn't have to be a bunch of hate-hype - like you know what is coming with the Darker and Freed movies. It could even be done by fans in a 'humorous' or fun way. Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

  37. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    So you want us to share your hub on social media? I'm sorry to be dense.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      No, I'm not asking for people to pass my hub around anywhere:

      Create your own wonky little warning - either using text and/or an image similar to the one I created - about the abuse in Fifty Shades; and have fans help you pass it around. It can be done in a 'fun' way - hell, find a way to make fun of haters while you're at it.

      The only reason you might want to check my article out - it is in the spotlight section - is to see my example. Fans might want to include images or write it out to be more quirky-sounding, etc. Get creative - THAT is how we make fun of misogynistic bullies and get them to stop.

  38. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    Fifty Shades of Grey: Don't let a sadist shove his fist up your butt.

    Fifty Shades of Grey: A relationship as inept as the writing.

    Fifty Shades of Grey: Manages to make BDSM sound boring, clearly not doing it right.

    Fifty Shades of Grey: Triple-check with your inner goddess before letting someone put balls in your vagina.

    Am I doing this right?

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I don't know, what do you think?

  39. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    Well, I agree the message needs to be short, simple and to the point. Here we are after 8 pages of lengthy explanations, and we're finally getting somewhere.

  40. Misfit Chick profile image94
    Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago

    Admittedly, my example is not short or simple - and it makes too many points in one long ramble. It is dern near impossible for me to be brief, maybe you've noticed. wink

    I just bumped that image in the article up (4th from the top) so that readers don't have to scroll down too far for it - or read much of any of it if they don't want to. I'm silly enough to believe that this could become a FUNNY thing; and I really hope fans can turn it into that. I look forward to seeing what (if anything) happens. wink

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      So what would you suggest if I believe that if fans are old enough to read and understand the load of codswallop that is FSoG, they are old enough to make their own choices in life? Don't forget that freedom includes being free to make your own mistakes. Anyone younger than 16 shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it, of course.

      I'd also suggest that your own warnings are so waffly (does it matter one jot that the female producer quit?) that no-one can actually 'get' the message because it is obscured by all the words. If you couldn't make us understand, how can you expect a fan to know what you are trying to say? The value of succinctness is immense.

      I, personally, wouldn't dream of sounding out 'warnings' about this trash or any other. People must be free to read and make their own minds up... about anything.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        My warnings are 'waffly' because the details of my explanation is in the spotlight article - not here. I have had to bring too much stuff into here so that people could get a taste of the issue - but clueless people like you continue to accuse me of bs instead of actually reading it. (definition of clueless: having no knowledge, understanding, or ability - it isn't an insult) For one thing, many fans who read these books were not old enough when they originally read them WHILE coming off reading Twilight's professionally-negligent bad writing. This isn't about Freedom of Speech, as I have said over and over again. It is about RARE professionally-negligent publishing.

        I know, the description and title of this question is so unclear: “Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey”.

        If you had read my spotlight article on this subject, you would have seen this included with an image: “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?”

        And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”. I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.

        It doesn't have to be a bunch of hate-hype - like you know what is coming with the Darker and Freed movies. It could even be done by fans in a 'humorous' or fun way. Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

        My apologies if you are offended by my ‘rude and insulting’ assumptions. I’m sure the fact that so many inaccurate assumptions have been made about me has not contributed to reciprocal accusations, at all. I’ve been told all kind of things about myself from people who refuse to inform themselves about something they choose to believe doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean that this situation didn’t happen and doesn’t actually exist. I try not to get angry with people about their ignorance; but that is damn near impossible when confronted with people who see me as attacking ‘free speech’ or the freedom of the imagination to create – when NOTHING could be further from the truth. *I* am a celebrator of the creative process.

        If you read the article, you would have seen – AGAIN – that I am on the side of ANY kind of ‘obsessed’ fans:

        “Anything is 'Okay' in fiction (which is why people originally brushed Twilight's literary errors off) - but, when it results in harmful blockbuster fanfiction like Fifty Shades of Grey that literally has the potential to put misinformed fans in physical danger; and causes MORE worldwide misogynistic bullying against female fans - on TOP of the worldwide, misogynistic bullying of Twilight Fans and HUMAN celebrities that has gone on for so long - uncool. It ALL needs to stop, now.”

        I’m tired of being judged when – AGAIN AGAIN – I am not the only person with this opinion. In fact, others have gone into far more depth to demonstrate the abusive offenses of these books using direct quotes from them. I did not feel a need to do that since I could see how the abuse developed via ‘accidental-inspiration’ from The Twilight Saga: which is why Stephenie Meyer’s dysfunctional, amateur writing used to be under the exact same scrutiny as Erika’s has been. Erika’s writing is simply proof of the dangers in Steph’s writing that people used to talk about.

        The very FACT that all of this can be – and has been PROVEN over and over again about such a controversial topic – is of interest to many people. If it isn’t to you for whatever reason – AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN – please move on if this subject is not a concern of your’s.

        That isn’t meant to be either mean or rude – it is meant to open up this conversation between people who actually care about it. But, when it is clogged up with ignorance on top of ignorance - that is so uncool. Don’t stay if you don’t like it in here.
        http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12961250.jpg

  41. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    There is so much tl;dr here. Who is reading more than the first sentence or two of these lengthy responses? I admire MFC for wanting to warn/protect young girls and women from abuse, but please find a way to boil it down. Your message will be much more effective. Perhaps come up with a short tag line and add it to your graphic. Honestly, I don't get too much from the graphic as it is currently. A quick, hard-hitting explanation (tag line) on the graphic would be very helpful. Then the graphic could be posted on FB, Twitter, Tumblr, etc. and would be easy to post and repost. You'd get more reposts and more likes because people wouldn't have to invest hours of their time trying to figure out your message (no one other than your fellow obsessed fans is going to do that).

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Yes, I have attempted to do this - however, every dang time I try, the message becomes blurred by these people who insist on pegging me as anti-free-speech or limiting creativity - which is BS!

      Here is the short response again:

      Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

      If you read my spotlight article on this subject, you would see this included with a text image (not this 'pink' image): “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?"

      And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”.

      I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.

      The ONLY REASON WHY you might want to take a look into my article is to see the example that I have made (since Q&A doesn't enlarge thumbnails you can't read it from in here). I moved it up toward the top - 4th capsule down - so peeps don't have to read the whole long hub.

      Done. smile

      1. calculus-geometry profile image86
        calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        You're blurring your message yourself by jumbling together half a dozen different objections/complaints in all of your essays.  So far you've got

        * fsog encourages abuse
        * fsog is bad twilight-based fanfic
        * twilight is bad
        * fsog and twilight cause people to become obsessed fans
        * fsog fans get bullied worldwide
        * actors in these movies get bullied
        * people who don't understand you are stupid
        * you're an Aries

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          That is because the topic is much more complex than most people are aware of.

          Here is the short response again:

          Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

          If you read my spotlight article on this subject, you would see this included with a text image (not this 'pink' image): “Fifty Shades of Grey abuse in a nutshell. If fans informed other fans themselves, how might the Darker & Freed hype be different?"

          And the caption reads: “pass around - or create your own variation, add or delete what you don't like - just to help make FSoG fans a little safer. It does not have to be a hate campaign; and this article does not need to be referenced”.

          I even give an additional ‘source’ to get information if readers don’t like what I have come up with.

          The ONLY REASON WHY you might want to take a look into my article is to see the example that I have made (since Q&A doesn't enlarge thumbnails you can't read it from in here). I moved it up toward the top - 4th capsule down - so peeps don't have to read the whole long hub.

          Done. smile

          1. SmartAndFun profile image91
            SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            But not done. It is still tl:dr.

            Calculus-Geometry is on the right track with a attention-getting graphic and a ONE SHORT SENTENCE. MFC, can you create something like that to get your message across? It would be much more effective at communicating your message.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Sometimes when its important - you have to do a little reaching. I can't do this for fans for the reasons I just said above. How about just this?

              Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

              There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard.

              The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.

  42. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 8 months ago

    If you want to have a polite discussion free of histrionics, over-blown accusations, and derogatory name calling, lead by example.

    You want to protect women from reading prose with abusive erotic encounters.

    I want to protect women from censorship of their reading or their fantasies.

    That is really all there is to it.

  43. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago

    ok i made one.  probably not what you had in mind. 

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12961859.png

    if you are interested in obsessed fans, here is the original

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -back.html

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Just thought I'd share this with everyone. Apparently, some 'activists' are even crazier than I am. I'm featured on the front page of this newish site, at the moment. If you don't think that there is a HUGE deluge of hater-hype coming towards fans - that probably is not possible since the first movie came out. Now, so many people are easier able to pin 'what's wrong' with these books down.

      I'm telling you... It would be so much more simplier if fans took the reigns on this issue before it gets ramped up again. The misogyny is as bad as the risk to niave fans.

      Here are some splashes from the website:
      ___________

      The Fifty Shades of Abuse Daily - Abuse comes in many shades--"fifty shades" We have a world wide epidemic of abuse, sexual violence. Our Governments need to work to stop this....NOW

      Annastasia
      Co Editor, co-author of the website 50-shades-of-abuse.blogspot.com  Professional, advocates,Humanitarians, activist to end abuse, all forms, world wide. Our world is the midst of a world wide epidemic of Domestic Violence, sexual violence, Human Trafficking, children, Adults ❤️ NO MORE ❤️

      We have over 3 million people coming to our website ans social media sites to read our articles, educating themselves to the epidemic of abuse we have around the world.
      Our media is shared around the world. We are also strong advocates against Fifty Shades of Grey, which promotes sexual violence, domestic abuse, rape, stalking...the entire book series and movie have already been found to be so dangerous to every women and child.

      http://linkis.com/paper.li/50shadesnom/i7dKO

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        We can change this ugly reality by grouping fans together to agree on some sort of an informational campaign - even having the fansites themselves uniting to proliferate this campaign would be ideal. *I* can't go to the sites with this - because they respond to me in the same way people in here have.

        It needs to be actual fans who are passionate about this subject; and who are serious about combatting it.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      For instance, this is a good example of a 'meme' - look it up, the web is notorious for these things.

      Imagine a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

      I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a good one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

      The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

      That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..." wink

      A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

      It could be really cool.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image94
        Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue - and fans would (should, anyway) get 'dang we're SMART and cool' awards.

        Not that fans are dumb - at all. I would not have written entire blogs and articles about this subject if I thought that for one moment.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Maybe you all think I'm just a crazy misfit chick... But, if there is one thing I know... When life throws you something stupid; and playing by the rules becomes intolerable, you change the damn rules.

          Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm one of fifty shades of grey in between. wink

          1. theraggededge profile image92
            theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 … stic-abuse

            Director Sam Taylor-Johnson said: "I don't think you can judge something without seeing it.

            "What Dakota and I did throughout the journey of Anastasia was to empower her.

            "Every sexual encounter that she has with Christian is one that she's gone into willingly and complicity until the moment he crosses a line.

            "And when he crosses that line it's a very firm no and she has the final word - she has all the power and he's the vulnerable one so I don't think there's any glamorisation of it."

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, I am well-aware that is what you and so many people think. But, Sam left for a reason; and this is the reality:

              I am starting to develop of collection of these kinds of links. Apparently, some 'activists' are even crazier than I am. I'm featured on the front page of this newish site, at the moment. If you don't think that there is a HUGE deluge of hater-hype coming towards fans - that probably is not possible since the first movie came out. Now, so many people are easier able to pin 'what's wrong' with these books down.

              I'm telling you... It would be so much more simplier if fans took the reigns on this issue before it gets ramped up again. The misogyny is as bad as the risk to niave fans.

              http://linkis.com/paper.li/50shadesnom/i7dKO

              The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

              1. theraggededge profile image92
                theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Really? I think the world has far greater problems than worrying about the online bullying of some FSoG fans. Read/watched/heard the news lately?

                The pro-active solutions for each fan:

                1. If you don't like being bullied, leave the social media sites where it's taking place.
                2. Stop advertising your love of trashy fiction. Let it be a guilty pleasure.
                3. Don't get into copy-cat relationships.
                4. Don't give up your power to anyone. If you are being manipulated/abused, seek real-life help.
                5. Get a life.

                Anyone over the age of consent can work this out for themselves. Unless they enjoy any of the above, of course.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  The pro-active solutions for you:

                  1. If you don't like what I have to say in here, leave.
                  2. Stop advertising your ignorance.
                  3. Don't regurgitate copy-cat crowd sentiments.
                  4. Don't give up your power to anyone. Think for yourself.
                  5. Get a life and stay out of mine.

                  1. theraggededge profile image92
                    theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Getting personal again? How delightful. Just because you don't like my suggestions of how people can help themselves? It's commonly known as self-empowerment.

                    I wasn't telling *you* to get a life, though it might apply, I don't know big_smile

              2. theraggededge profile image92
                theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                That's Paper Li. Anyone can curate stuff on there and share it with contacts. In fact Paper Li collects articles based on the individual's interest on a daily basis.  Many here and on Squidoo used to use it. The link to your daily feed posts automatically on Twitter. Don't get too excited, it generates very little traffic.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  That may be true, but if the hits that article is getting is any indicator - they are passing that site around, getting responses, and they seem to be at least as serious about it as I am. Someone even wrote a book by 'Edward Grey' where ALL the profits go towards abuse.

                  Just because you view this as a non-issue; doesn't mean everyone else in the world is so irresponsible or complacent about it.

                  Here's another brief, revamped blurb that I will make sure stays on top:

                  Create your own warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

                  There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard to find the things that need to be said and heard. My spotlight article has an example and links for more information.

                  The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.

                  1. theraggededge profile image92
                    theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think any of that would have any effect whatsoever. How will a few humorous memes circulating around the internet prevent bullying? Why would a fan, hell-bent on having the FSoG experienced be stopped by a meme or a warning from a do-gooder?

                    If you want to help those suffering from abuse, then you have to work at grass roots level. You have to get out there and volunteer your time. You have to volunteer on groups and forums and offer your support to victims of abuse. You have to work with teens, changing attitudes one at a time. That sort of effort will demonstrate that you truly do care about your cause.

                    You have to realise that your hub, as it stands, is too long, too involved and too muddled for the average reader (fan) to 'get' your message. Your many words, on this forum are a waste of time and effort because no-one here sees the problem in the way that you do. So you may as well let it go.

                    As far as this sort of 'literature' is concerned, as it loses its attraction (which means people like you ceasing keeping it 'live'), the so-called bullying will stop. By the way, you never clarified (as far as I could see) whether you are targeting actual physical abuse by men on young girls, or online bullying by internet trolls. They are extremely different issues.

                    Good luck with the memes!

      2. calculus-geometry profile image86
        calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Honestly I wasn't trying to be helpful I just thought the photo was hilarious.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          That much was obvious.

          1. calculus-geometry profile image86
            calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12962783.png

          2. calculus-geometry profile image86
            calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12962796.png

            #tatring

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Dang, thanks so much for the graphic eyesores - LoL!

      3. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Wait.  You're not familiar enough with Fifty Shades of Grey to do what you're asking everyone else to do?  Shouldn't you be plenty familiar with the subject you're preaching and asking other people to educate themselves on?

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I am VERY familiar with the subject or I would not be doing this. If you doubt that - read my spotlight article. Why would someone write a response-book 'by Edward Grey' about this subject with 100% of the proceeds going toward abuse charities?
          _______

          The hate-hype changing idea that also has the potential to keep niave FSoG fans safer:

          Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

          There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

          The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
          __________

          For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

          I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

          The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

          That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

          A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

          The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

  44. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    I'm not going to make one. I wanted to see what you would come up with.

    Never mind. I'm out. Best wishes.

  45. FatFreddysCat profile image92
    FatFreddysCatposted 8 months ago

    Dammit why does this stupid thread keep popping up in my feed? I hit "unfollow" on it more than a week ago!!

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Additionally, social media isn't the only place we have to worry about. The world is HUGE.

      Create your own wonky little warning about the abuse in Fifty Shades and have fans help pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect naive fans and STOP the bullying.

      There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

      The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing; and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
      __________

      For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

      I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a good one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

      The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

      That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..." wink

      A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

      The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I don't know... It keeps happening to me, too. I can't seem to 'unfollow' any of my questions anymore. I used to. HP needs to look into this. My email inbox looks ridiculous.

  46. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    You literally just said "I'm not familiar enough with Fifty Shades..." and now you're saying you're very familiar with it.  I'm starting to think you're having trouble keeping up with your own trains of thought.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      What I said was: "I am very familiar with the SUBJECT or I would not be doing this." There are very real, professionally-negligent reasons for The Twilight Saga to have 'accidentally-inspired' the equally-harmful literary amateur writing errors within Fifty Shades of Grey - and AGAIN, I'm not the only person who is familiar with the details of that information as demonstrated by Edward Grey.
      _________

      The hate-hype changing idea:

      Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

      There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

      The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing, and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
      __________

      For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

      I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

      The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

      That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

      A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

      The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

  47. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    The subject: "Please help send a message about abuse in Fifty Shades of Grey"

    Yet you're not that familiar with Fifty Shades of Grey.

    How can you be familiar with a subject when you aren't familiar with the main part of your subject...?

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Just because I don't have detailed scenes in my head - I wandered through these books long enough to be able to see what is wrong with them (and had to seriously resist the temtation to throw them across the room at Barnes & Noble, LoL!).

      Its not like any of this is rocket science. There are other people who HAVE gone in the details about what is wrong with it - to the extent of quoting from the books. I have links in my article and there are more - do a general search.

      There is more than one 'way' to peg this movie down. You can 'just look at the abuse' as most people do - like the ones who pick the book apart to demonstrate the dysfunction; and there is this other way through the pretty, sparkling fairytale for young girls: The Twilight Saga - which EVERYONE should know by now -  accidentally inspired Fifty Shades of Grey.

      I've answered this question so many times:

      There are very real, professionally-negligent reasons for The Twilight Saga to have 'accidentally-inspired' the equally-harmful literary amateur writing errors within Fifty Shades of Grey - and AGAIN, I'm not the only person who is familiar with the details of that information as demonstrated by recent novel, Shades of Grey by Edward Grey.

      If you doubt it so much - read my spotlight article.
      _________

      The hate-hype changing idea:

      Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

      There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

      The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing, and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
      __________

      For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

      I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

      The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

      That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

      A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

      The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

      1. theraggededge profile image92
        theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        So you don't even own a copy? For reference. You've never read it from cover to cover? And you want to 'send a message' about a book you haven't read properly?

        Gosh. LoL.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I'm glad I saw 50-shades, it's more dangerous not being aware of these issue going on. I learn where I would draw the line in sexual affair. We are adults and sexual being. We are free to choice who and how we have sex responsible with as long as it dose not harm.

          Although animals do not have sex with their young. Even Child molestation fears have been over done. There is only a small % of them. No longer can a person play with children like they used to, without parents giving them the evil eye. Teacher can't even touch the children when they have been abused at home.

          ,So parents locked their child up at home and feed them so much junk food. So they become unattractive to molesters. Not realizing these parents have put thier children at greater risk of health and death problem. For the first time in human history children will not out live their parents age.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            There is only a small percentage of children being molested, or being abused, in general - even a 'small percentage' is a lot; especially if you are a member of this 'small percentage' group. This is the attitude that keeps abuse in the headlines every damn day.

            The hate-hype changing idea:

            Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

            There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

            The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing, and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
            __________

            For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

            I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

            The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

            That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

            A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

            The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

        2. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Even IF EL James had written about the topic of abuse correctly (which, she didn't - not even sort of); many people are angry JUST because of all the professional negligence published into The Twilight Saga to 'inspire' Fifty Shades. Yeah, there are many of us who 'just know' by reading just a little bit - especially knowing that it came from Twilight. If you're so damn sure that I am wrong and just CAN'T inform yourself via my article - then do your own damn searches for the specifics.

          Its not like any of this is rocket science. There are other people who HAVE gone in the details about what is wrong with it - to the extent of quoting from the books. I have links in my article and there are more - do a general search.

          There is more than one 'way' to peg this movie down. You can 'just look at the abuse' as most people do - like the ones who pick the book apart to demonstrate the dysfunction; and there is this other way through the pretty, sparkling fairytale for young girls: The Twilight Saga - which EVERYONE should know by now -  accidentally inspired Fifty Shades of Grey.
          _________

          The hate-hype changing idea:

          Fans spread the message about the abuse in Fifty Shades and pass it around. This could be done in a concerted, humorous way (imagine a few smart but funny memes randomly being tossed around). Its just information as ‘harmless’ as these books & movies - that also happens to have the potential to help protect fans and STOP the misogyinistic bullying across the globe (and possibly bring good publicity into the mix).

          There are lots of articles on the subject out there - it shouldn't be too hard for you to find the things that need to be said and heard. I have an example in my spotlight article and there are other resources.

          The only tip I have - is make sure that every graphic has a clear indicator that it is a fan-generated thing, and not more hater-hype. A website (or page like on a fansite) could be enough of an indicator - plus give the information a source so that fans get credit for it.
          __________

          For instance, imagine a 'meme' - a scene from the 1st movie that perhaps demonstrates a splash of text in an 'overexaggerated' way.

          I'm not familiar enough with 50 Shades to think of a SPECIFIC one - but, for example: Perhaps there is a scene where Mr. Grey is coming at Ana with a pain-inflicting implement and she has a funny, 'extra-terrifed' look on her face.

          The caption could read, "If you're not turned on by your lover walking towards you with a bull whip - he might be an abuser."

          That could even be 'the theme' for this meme campaign "he might be an abuser" - along the same lines of 'you might be a redneck if..."

          A new one could come out every week or month - heck, a fansite could have a contest and choose the winners.

          The entire world would breathe a sigh of relief over this issue.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image94
            Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            There have been roughly 20-25 people a day hitting the link on that website that is featuring my article on the front page that I told you about earlier - not many, yet. That is because most of the people interested in this subject at the moment are FANS of these books - which is why I am trying to inspire fans to take control of the situation BEFORE the publicity mess starts. Publicity doesn't just affect people while they are online. They take what they have read and repeat it 'out in the world' - and the misogyny proliferates.

  48. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago

    Every which way you go you circle back around to Twilight. At this point, the only way you can help young people is to be a cautionary example of what happens when you become obsessed with Twilight.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      When you consider that Erika was obviously overly-obsessed with Twilight while she was writing her trilogy (just like Stephenie Meyer was when she was writing her TwiOriginal) - for the same reasons as young girls were - except for the fact that she was an adult who knew more about the concepts surrounding 'real-make-believe vampires' than Steph and many of her fans (of any age, including older ones like her) did - Twilight obsessions is where Fifty Shades of Grey started.

      Fifty Shades of Grey is a GLARING example of the difference between the twilight obsessions of vamp-clueless fans and people who knew even a little bit more about them. There should have never been this kind of debate surrounding a pretty fairytale for young girls like this; and there DAMN WELL SHOULD NOT have been books like 50 Shades allowed to be 'professionally published' the DANGEROUS way they have. Especially since so MANY of those fans dove directly into it from (or even during) their obsessions with twilight.

      There are FOUR glaring literary dings against the professional publisher of The Twilight Saga. Believe it or not, I don't blame either Steph or Erika for that part of things - what amateur author wouldn't have JUMPED at the opportunity to have their books published. However, the publishing company should have invested in the normal requirements of having Stephenie Meyer's amateur writing professionally edited. Because they didn't, the entire world has been fighting about twilight for a decade - and now we have fifty shades of bs to deal with. Yippee!

      I have been fighting this fight a lot longer than you realize for reasons that you have no interest in learning about. This is a subject that is not going to go away just because people like you think it will because it is 'no big deal'. It won't - it will continue, just like it has with twilight fans.

      No other authors on the planet have caused such outrageous, divisive arguments via FICTION. When women make a big, cultural stink – we don’t just make an obvious, offensive one that makes a few conservatives mad. We break all the safety rules and INSIST that it’s BRILLIANT in the face of valid, logical and overwhelming evidence and worldwide opposition.

      There have been roughly 20-25 people a day hitting the link on that website that is featuring my article on the front page that I told you about earlier - not many, yet. That is because most of the people interested in this subject at the moment are FANS of these books - which is why I am trying to inspire fans to take control of the situation BEFORE the publicity mess starts. Publicity doesn't just affect people while they are online. They take what they have read and repeat it 'out in the world' - and the misogyny proliferates.

      1. theraggededge profile image92
        theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Now who does that remind me of?

        So... have you any real life examples? Do you know any people in real life (not from internet forums) who have been victimised because of their love of 50s?

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Yes. I have told you about those within some of these long explanations that you refuse to read - and I'm done regurgitating every little thing. I've got links in my article or maybe do a search.

          1. theraggededge profile image92
            theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            No, you haven't. Real life, real people (naming no names, of course). Who do you know in your circle of acquaintances who has suffered bullying or abuse *because of* Fifty Shades?

            How did it affect them and how did they get past it? Who and what helped them?

            I'm seriously interested. If you can spend all this time on this thread, a couple more sentences isn't going to make much difference.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image94
              Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Yes I have. Thanks for making me go back and look this up for you:

              http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca … story.html

              There have been other lawsuits like this around the world. Do you think that we would be hearing more about those situations IF they are happening? It is difficult for most women to report abuse or rape. How much more difficult would it be for them - with the failed lawsuit in the link above; on top of Fifty Shades of Grey protestors saying, "I told you so." They have, they did - read some of the comments in the article above. And what about the young man in the news story? He COULD have been a ‘regular abuser’ and just used this movie as an excuse; BUT he could also REALLY have been ignorant – which is why the judge threw the case out. I mean, if the girl starts screaming – doesn’t that mean that she LIKES it?!!
              ___________

              I'm not obsessed with either of these series - but, I have been obsessed with twilight. Many people know how these books were written from twilight BECAUSE of our own irresponsible obsessions that were NEGLIGENTLY dumped on us through The Twilight Saga. You can't unread or unwatch something - or reclaim wasted time.

              We damn well KNOW how these harmful books got into Erika's head. Of course, you would have to read my spotlight article to understand how/why. I have MANY MANY MANY ways within that article that I confirm this stuff.

              No other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way.

              Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

              What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? I know I'm not supposed to 'promote myself' in the forumns, but this is a link to my blog that goes into the details of what is wrong with the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga. I will not make one penny off of this link unless you click on an advertisment: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2015/08 … light.html

              Additionally, the twilight fanbase is still growing; and fans are still getting stuck in their obsessions - I still get emails from them SCREAMING for help. I've got a couple email blurbs in my spotlight article. Twilight obsessions are no more 'normal' than Fifty Shades obsessions - and they never have been normal (thanks for the graphic eyesores earlier that proves this - there are more 'proofs').

              The 'obsessions' part of things is not due to the vampires within twilight - the obsessions started with the professionally negligent publishing of the very first chapter. Twilight obsessions SPLIT (probably around the same time or just before Erika started writing her fanfiction stories) when Breaking Dawn was published because of the erroneous way Steph wrote about them - and THAT is what created the deluge of WORLDWIDE misogyny toward twilight fans.

              The reason why anti-twilight fans got so angry? Fifty Shades of Grey - except no one had written it out, yet.

              1. theraggededge profile image92
                theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                I asked you, do you know anyone personally? Not for a link to a news story about a girl who put herself into a situation and realised too late that she wanted out. He thought she was playing along - hence why the case was thrown out and he was acquitted. No-one except the two concerned know the truth. 

                I also asked you how they got through the bullying and abuse.

                Generally, people throw themselves into a cause because it has affected them personally or someone close to them. I am sincerely wondering if you have a horse in this race.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  The 'real' example and explanation surrounding it that I just gave makes no difference to you? The entire story - including 'what happened at the end' of it is in there. I don't know how that girl is handling things at this point. She's probably feeling pretty stupid and blaming herself - which P*SSES me off!!!!!!!!

                  You really do not read a damn thing I write, do you? That ENTIRE RESPONSE talked about how this situation has 'affected me personally'. I have found, that the more I reveal about myself in this situation - the more judgemental people become. But, here goes if you must know... yeah, I've been though more than one sexually-abusive situations thoughout my life (not all of them successful). And while not all of them started like 50 shades of grey - many do.

                  So yeah, without tooting my own horn (because seriously, if I was going to toot it - it would be over something FUN and COOL); *I* am probably a pretty good representation of people across the globe who can explain what exactly is wrong with both of these book series, because:

                  1) I am familiar with abuse - which is why I was angry with the way twilight was written in the first place, and so MANY people were - whether they were familiar with being abused or not, it was obvious. The reason why anti-twilight fans got so angry? Fifty Shades of Grey - except no one had written it out, yet.

                  2) I am familiar with 'real-make-believe' vampires - so I can explain the specifics about 'what is wrong with twilight's vampires'.

                  3) I am a perfect example of someone who is suseptible to fictional obsessions - as many people are. I actually just learned something very interesting surrounding this statement this week: not every human being is capable of creating 'fully-imaginated', 3-D worlds in their minds. And while I have not confirmed this, yet - because I have such a hard time believing that to be true - it would certainly explain why/how so many people sunk so accidentally-deeply  into their obsessions (because of the too-shallow character writing that forced so many of us to 'accidentally' do so) - and so many others were not affected by an obsession, at all.

                  4) I am a woman, so I can relate to 'how women fantasize' - which is what Twilight was, Stephenie Meyer's sexual fantasy. THIS point has been proven over and over again by anti-twilight fans. I also happen to be vaguely-familiar with BDSM - just vaguely familiar, it is not something that is part of my life.

                  5) Because I used to be obsessed with twilight; AND because I also used to be a very dissasociative tween/teenager (because of abuse issues) - I KNOW how twilight (and 50 Shades) has affected young brains and can sympathize with them. A twilight obsession isn't a big deal to me - escapes are necessary for YA's for all kinds of reasons. But, 'escapes' are not as readily available to them as they are to adults - which is WHY grown women had no right to do what they have done with this pretty fairytale as far as I am concerned. It is the worldwide misogyny that has ALWAYS made me angry - all of it on all sides, since 2010 when I started with twilight.

                  6) And lastly, because I was obsessed with twilight on top of all these reasons... It may very well be that only someone who used to love it can show you what's wrong with it.

                  Maybe I've got some sort of talent for seeing stuff like this... I've got an article that demonstrates the errors surrounding Jesus in The Bible too, ha! I think that is a weird coincidence - especially considering all the timing-coincindences that have lead me to this point surrounding these books.

                  I'm not saying that I'm 'annointed' in any way, at all - I'm not exactly a 'believer', LoL! But, all this has just been so dang weird. Frankly, I don't like it and I haven't since the beginning - I've tried to drop this subject so many times; but stuff keeps popping up surrounding it.

                  I really do not think that it is going to go away until we deal with it.
                  _________________

                  Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

                  What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? I know I'm not supposed to 'promote myself' in the forumns, but this is a link to my blog that goes into the details of what is wrong with the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga. I will not make one penny off of this link unless you click on an advertisment: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html

                  Additionally, the twilight fanbase is still growing; and fans are still getting stuck in their obsessions - I still get emails from them SCREAMING for help. I've got a couple email blurbs in my spotlight article. Twilight obsessions are no more 'normal' than Fifty Shades obsessions - and they never have been normal (thanks for the graphic eyesores earlier that proves this - there are more 'proofs').

                  The 'obsessions' part of things is not due to the vampires within twilight - the obsessions started with the professionally negligent publishing of the very first chapter. Twilight obsessions SPLIT (probably around the same time or just before Erika started writing her fanfiction stories) when Breaking Dawn was published because of the erroneous way Steph wrote about them - and THAT is what created the deluge of WORLDWIDE misogyny toward twilight fans.

                  1. calculus-geometry profile image86
                    calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    1, 3, 4, 5 - I think you would be better served by talking to a mental health professional instead doing this.

                    2 - You mean you  hang out with those weirdos who believe themselves to be vampires?  That's not healthy either, you should get people like that out of your life.

                    6 - Obsessed people should avoid talking to other obsessed people about their obsessions, it just reinforces the problem.

                    I hope someday you see a therapist who can help you get over the preoccupation with Twilight.  It looks like after all these years you haven't been able to get it out of your system on your own.

              2. theraggededge profile image92
                theraggededgeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                The whole page is a description of immature childish obsessions. Really. We all go through this sort of thing when we are kids. Most of us grow out of it. A good dose of reality usually sorts it out.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image94
                  Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  I know, I was flustered and grabbed the wrong one - it is corrected in later posts that for some reason keep continuing. Thanks for keeping this on the front page of HP. smile

                  here is the corrected one again: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html

      2. calculus-geometry profile image86
        calculus-geometryposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Vampires are not real so I'm a bit confused how one person can know more about them than another. There's a basic sketch provided by Eastern European folklore and then everything after is the invention of various authors. Every author who uses vampires has artistic license to add or subtract whatever features they want.  Anyway, your manic copy-pasting reinforces the point about letting oneself get carried away to the point of obsession.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image94
          Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          DUH!! I'm not obsessed with either of these series - but, I have been obsessed with twilight. AGAIN, many people know how these DANGEROUS books were written from twilight BECAUSE of our own IRRESPONSIBLE obsessions that were NEGLIGENTLY dumped on us through The Twilight Saga. You can't unread or unwatch something - or reclaim wasted time.

          We damn well KNOW how these harmful books got into Erika's head. Of course, you would have to read my spotlight article to understand how/why - I can't cut and paste the entire thing in here!! I have MANY MANY MANY ways within that article that I confirm this stuff.

          No other 'professional publisher' would EVER have published it that way.

          Fiction done right doesn't hurt anybody - but, Twilight wasn't done right; and a decade later - these infamous over-obsessions are still being blamed on the fans - unless we manage to write another accidentally-erroneous blockbuster about abuse (this time XXX!) based on all this literary negligence.

          What's wrong with Twilight Chapter One: First Sight? I know I'm not supposed to 'promote myself' in the forumns, but this is a link to my blog that goes into the details of what is wrong with the very first chapter of the very first book of The Twilight Saga. I will not make one penny off of this link unless you click on an advertisment: http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2013/09 … ter-1.html

          Additionally, the twilight fanbase is still growing; and fans are still getting stuck in their obsessions - I still get emails from them SCREAMING for help. I've got a couple email blurbs in my spotlight article. Twilight obsessions are no more 'normal' than Fifty Shades obsessions - and they never have been normal (thanks for the graphic eyesores earlier that proves this - there are more 'proofs').

          The 'obsessions' part of things is not due to the vampires within twilight - the obsessions started with the professionally negligent publishing of the very first chapter. Twilight obsessions SPLIT (probably around the same time or just before Erika started writing her fanfiction stories) when Breaking Dawn was published because of the erroneous way Steph wrote about them - and THAT is what created the deluge of WORLDWIDE misogyny toward twilight fans.

          The reason why anti-twilight fans got so angry? Fifty Shades of Grey - except no one had written it out, yet.

  49. theraggededge profile image92
    theraggededgeposted 8 months ago

    "No other authors on the planet have caused such outrageous, divisive arguments via FICTION."

    Sure?

    Shakespeare
    The Bible
    Voltaire
    John Cleland
    William S. Burroughs
    Salman Rushdie
    JK Rowling
    DH Lawrence
    Vladimir Nabokov
    L. Ron Hubbard
    Ayn Rand
    Philip Roth
    Henry Miller
    Enid Blyton

    Some of those people were imprisoned for their writing. Meyer and James are minnows compared to them.

  50. theraggededge profile image92
    theraggededgeposted 8 months ago

    Do you know, we could have a far more interesting discussion if you just make your point in one paragraph and desist from copying and pasting. It doesn't make your message any stronger or clearer.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image94
      Misfit Chickposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Quit giving me a reason to have to explain different things that I have ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!

 
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