Tobacco Growing and Curing at Home.

Smoking's sexy
Smoking's sexy
The well prepared smoker. (Check his right ear.)
The well prepared smoker. (Check his right ear.)

Basics

Firstly, a warning. smoking can be bad for your health. So can drinking, singing off key, sleeping with your neighbour's wife, too many fatty foods, too much meat, not enough meat, too many vegetables, not enough veg....... well, you get the picture. This hub is not about health issues or hobby-horses, it's about growing tobacco and curing it. What you do with it then is your own damned business.

Secondly, don't break the law. Here in New Zealand you can buy tobacco seed, grow the stuff, and, if you want to, smoke it quite lawfully. You may not lawfully sell it, barter it or give it away. The same regulations govern brewing, wine making and the distilling of alcoholic beverages. If you live elsewhere check your local legislation to ensure that you comply.

Having got that of my chairy little hest, lets get down to the nitty gritty:

Anyone Can Grow Tobacco Successfully !

Virginia Tobacco, the stuff of commerce, is one of the most hardy plants you'll ever grow. If where you live is warm enough to grow cabbages, tobacco will thrive. If it's warmer there, all the better. I grow it in a tiny section where I live, 400ft. (120 metres) above sea level, with a moderate semi coastal climate. For three months of winter we have occasional light frosts, some bitterly strong winds, some hail. I planted a few seedlings in February last year as an experiment. That's late summer here in the Southern Hemisphere. They were small plants, about 2ft (60cm.) high when winter hit. They stopped growing until spring. The leaves stayed healthy - no wilting or browning, and around the end of September off they went again. Compared with correctly grown plants they were small, but still over 6ft high.(I'll continue this in feet and inches only, for the sake of our American cousins. For those of you more comfortable in metrics, 1 ft. = 30cm.)

I got tired of fighting past the damn' things to get to my garden shed and pulled them out last May, still healthy and hardy, with a root system the size of a football.

 

What You Need.

  1. Seeds: You can buy seeds here in NZ from Kings Seeds in Katikati,
    www.kingsseeds.co.nz
    Elsewhere try local seed merchants, heritage seed suppliers, the Internet, or the above. Check importing restrictions. For North American readers, try Victory Seed Co. in Oregon. http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco/backer_cultivation.html   This is also a very helpful site. My thanks to You Grow Girl .com for this contact.
  2. Somewhere to grow the seedlings: a sunny window-sill is fine. The seed is tiny, like ground pepper. Put seed-growing mix, or a mixture of fine soil and sand in a shallow container, (a 2 lt.-about 3 pint, ice-cream container with a few drain-holes punched in the bottom is good, or one of those little 6 part seed trays you got some other seedlings in, or a small egg tray for that matter.) Stand the tray in a dish or suchlike so that you can water it without soaking the carpet, sprinkle seed very lightly over the soil, and water. It's probably best to water by standing the container in an inch or two of water in a bucket or the sink to soak, then allowing to drain before you put it on it's dish. Cover with a newspaper, bit of cardboard or some-such and keep damp. In about 2 weeks the seedlings should start showing. Be warned, I used the barest pinch of seeds sprinkled into a six pot seed tray and got over 100 plants! Thin the seedlings as soon as they're big enough, either to individual 4in pots, or about a dozen to an ice-cream container. When they're about 4in high, and after frosts, plant out. See my reply to Patty Inglish's comment, (first one, below) for extra seedgrowing tips.

     

  3. Somewhere to grow the plants. The seedlings need to be planted with a minimum spacing of 2ft between plants and the same between rows, although 3ft between rows is better. They prefer full sun but will grow well in partial shade.The leaves can be up to 2ft long each, droop, and grow on a main stalk from ground level up, diminishing in size with height. A full grown plant is 7ft tall, and self supporting.

How Many Plants?

This depends on what you want the tobacco for. Just for the fun of growing the stuff and possibly to use the leaves to make a bug spray a couple of plants are fine. If you want to cure and smoke it, put in at least a dozen plants if possible. If you can't, stick in as much as you can.

 

This seems a good place to take you by the hand (Not too close!) and walk you through some simple basic arithmetic, if you haven't already done so yourself. Take what you pay a week on smoking (probably around $50), multiply it by 52 to find what it costs you a year(over $2,500?), subtract the one time only cost of the seed ($2.50 buys about 1,000 seeds, down the road from me) and the cost of the couple of cups of seed-raising mix and fertiliser you may have bought. Still over $2,500? Well, you probably displaced 12 cabbage to grow enough tobacco to keep you in cancer sticks for a year, go figure.

Freshly transplanted seedlings.(14Jan09)
Freshly transplanted seedlings.(14Jan09)
Tobacco plants nearing maturity. Bottom leaves have been harvested from the rear plants.  These plants are less than three months older than the seedlings in the previous photo. (14Jan09)
Tobacco plants nearing maturity. Bottom leaves have been harvested from the rear plants. These plants are less than three months older than the seedlings in the previous photo. (14Jan09)

Care

Now that you've your tobacco planted out behind the wife's begonias (it's quite an attractive ornamental with small pretty pink flowers), along a wall, down the drive, in a bed of its own, all of the above, where-ever, how do you raise the delicate little darlings? Well, short of dynamiting it, running it over with a ten ton digger, seering it with a flame thrower, or soaking the stuff in weed-killer, tobacco pretty much looks after itself. Treat it as you would tomatoes: Plant it in reasonably rich well dug soil, (with well composted vegetable matter if you've got it) water it regularly in dry weather, give it a side dressing of general garden fertiliser now and again, weed around it, and thats about it. You can sit back, drink your moonshine, (I'm doing a Hub on distilling, later) and watch it grow.

When it gets bigger, you'll see small tobacco plants starting to grow as side-shoots from the main stalk at the base of the leaves - the same as tomatoes and that other stuff some people smoke. The same rules apply: Pinch out or otherwise remove them. If you plant them, they'll grow for a later crop. When the plants reach maturity they'll set flower heads at the top. Pinch them out. You may need to stand on something to do it! I suggest that you leave one plant to flower for seed.

Pests

Here in New Zealand nothing much seems to bug tobacco, - or mine any-way, either from above or below ground. After all, cigarette butts soaked in a bucket of water was an old way of making insect spray that my parents and grandparents used. If you do have problems see your local nurseryman, or talk to a friend who gardens. What works on tomatoes should work on tobacco.

 

You might try planting cabbage amongst the 'backy to deter the cabbage butterfly; I intend to this year.

Harvesting: Fully grown leaves (And no, It's not me!) The same plants as in the previous photo, eleven days later (25Jan09)
Harvesting: Fully grown leaves (And no, It's not me!) The same plants as in the previous photo, eleven days later (25Jan09)
Air drying tobacco leaf.(14Jan09)
Air drying tobacco leaf.(14Jan09)

Harvesting and Curing

A lot of unmitigated drivel is put about over the difficulty of curing tobacco. I believe that it's an evil plot put out by the tobacco magnates and perpetuated by our respective but seldom respected or respectable Governments to wring money from us unnecessarily. Curing tobacco is basically the drying of it in a moderately controlled environment. There are all sorts of bells and whistles you can add to enhance the end result, but YOU DON'T HAVE TO! You can make a perfectly acceptable product by just drying the leaves adequately, slicing them thinly, rolling them in cigarette paper, and setting them alight, - so put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Picking The Leaves

As Mrs Beeton once said "Oh Sh-", I'm sorry, I mean "To make jugged hare first catch your hare." The same goes with tobacco: to cure it, first you gotta pick it. You're not in the commercial growing business, you're not paying for labour, and, hopefully, you've a bit of time to spare, so take your time and pick the leaves as they come ready. Around the time that flower-heads start to form and the plants are full grown the bottom leaves will be ready to pick. If they show signs of yellowing before this pick them straight away. Take the leaves, cut a slit near the butt end of the centre rib of each leaf, feed a thin tomato stake or similar through these slits so that when you hold the stick horizontally (that's the way you have to hang them), the leaves hang down about an inch apart, and hang these sticks somewhere dry, out of the way and preferably warm. An attic is great, so is from the garage rafters, provided you still have head-room. You can string the leaves on a length of wire, a chord stretched between two nails, use your imagination.

Keep picking the leaves over the next weeks when you think that they're ready. Too early or a bit of yellowing before picking will make damn'-all difference to the end product; one of the reasons that I suggest that you pick this way is so that you don't get thoroughly sick of slitting and hanging the beastly stuff! It also gives the higher leaves a chance to grow a bit more.

Curing.

Don't look now but you've already done it - well, good enough for the average punter. You've hung the leaves in a warm(ish), dry, preferably dark and airy environment not touching the walls or floor, you've checked them occasionally to see that they haven't jammed up together on their' sticks, or gone moldy, or the mice haven't developed a bad nicotine habit, and you've made sure that they haven't become so dry that they're brittle - dry means they're not rained on, or so wet that they rot. If the brittle bit looks a problem, move them to somewhere cooler, or you could spray them using one of those very fine misters you can buy for a few dollars to do house plants.

The only other basic for curing is time. Time is said to cure all things, and tobacco is near the top of the list. Some say that it should be left hanging for two years. I've found that one year is quite enough. (I turned out a first class flake tobacco from some leaf that I'd left in a box in a corner of my garage for a year, and forgotten about.) A friend hangs his tobacco for about three months, by which time it has both a nice colour and texture, then cuts it and uses it straight away.

Preparing The End Product.

I assume that you want to either roll your own, or stoke a pipe. Preparing the leaf is the same for both: Take a leaf, strip out the center rib and any large side ribs if it's a big leaf, repeat for several leaves until you have a reasonable handful and then proceed in one of the following ways:

  • Squeeze the leaves together into a tight bundle and using a very sharp knife and a chopping board slice the tobacco as thinly as you can. cut it cross-ways a few times and you're there. This is tedious, but it costs you nothing other than time, and it does the job.
  • Buy a hand operated tobacco slicer. A friend brought one back from Holland a few days ago. He bought it new for around 20euro. It consists of a cast metal cylinder about the size of the cardboard tube at the center of a toilet roll, cut in half length-ways with a hinge on one side and a clamp on the other, so that it can be opened, stuffed full of leaf, and clamped shut. It has a flat plate attached to a worm at one end of the cylinder and a small guillotine at the other, linked to the worm by levers and a ratchet. Operating the guillotine causes the worm to turn and slowly drive the wad of leaves down the cylinder. A fiendish device, but I suspect not much faster than cutting by hand.
  • Claude Desgroseilliers has sent me the following suggestion. It's brilliant."I use a hand operated pasta machine to slice my tobacco leaves, my machine has two attachments, one for spaghetti which I use to cut the tobacco." http://www.kasbahouse.com/villawareonline/images/atlas.jpg)
  • Try my way, I'm basically a lazy bugger: Do the first way suggested, but don't muck about trying to fine cut everything. Fast and rough is good enough.Then chuck the lot into a food processor with a sharp bottom blade fitted and zap it until the fineness of the flake suits you. This also has the advantage that if you think that the tobacco leaf was a bit dry, or you want to enhance the flavour, you can dissolve a little honey in a couple of teaspoons of alcohol (port, rum, vodka, moon-shine) and dribble it in as you zap.



Tobacco flowers
Tobacco flowers

Harvesting Seed

Further up the page I suggested that you let one plant flower for seed. This has several points of merit:

  1. You don't have to fork out another $2.50 for seed. In fact, a little bit of bartering will get your money back.


  2. You may have had difficulty getting seed in the first place. Problem solved!


  3. The seed will have adapted to your environment.
  4. I can't be bothered, think up a few for yourself.

Presuming that you did this, what do you do next? Well, here goes another list:

  1. Let the flowers bloom and die off. Little green capsules about 1/4in long will be left behind. (These have some glorious botanical name it doesn't matter a bit about. You know what to look for.) You'll have lots of them.
  2. Let them dry out, they'll turn dark brown and eventually start to split.
  3. At this point pick them. This is sequential; they are ready over a period of weeks, think of the fun you can have. Actually each capsule has dozens of seeds so one picking of ready seed-heads is more than ample, unless you have several acres you want to plant out.
  4. Put a fine sieve in the top of a clean dry bowl, or on a sheet of paper, break the seed-heads into it and rub the central core to get the seeds off.
  5. Gently shake the sieve. The seeds will pass through, most of the rubbish will stay behind.
  6. Store the seeds safely. Wrapped in a spill of paper or square of toilet tissue and placed in a little jar or pill container is fine. Keep in a cool dry place out of direct light.

And that's about it. I hope that you learned what you wanted from this article. There are other ways to grow tobacco, and other ways to cure the stuff. Some are undoubtedly better. I don't think many would be easier, or cheaper, and I know what I've written about works, because I've done it.

Have fun, good luck, and thanks for dropping in.










Comments 581 comments

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

You and your wife, flowers, and tobacco live in a lovely different world and I feel that I live in a mad vortex several days a week. Commendations to you for this intriguing and informative Hub. I imagine all the eels and worms are smoking high quality craftsman's cigarettes at their union meetings. I can imagine your property to be Sphereland as compared to Flatland.

Best wishes to each tobacco plant!


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Patty for the warm comments. Actually, no wife, dammit. The situation's vacant but I don't get applicants these days. Probably something to do with hanging from the rafters by my toes, - or being flat broke! I've noticed that to women a bloke's attractiveness increases in direct proportion to the size of his wallet. A very practical outlook which dates back several million years. Even in the relatively recent era of Alli Oop, (phonetic, I don't really know how he chipped his name) The Ug with the biggest club had the best chance of providing for all the little oopses, and the hairy little lady neanderthals knew it. Nothing's changed.

My little piece of paradise is more cubical than spherical( - I may be a square but I've been around) but yes, the multi-dimensional concept applies. There's no tobacco in at the moment, it's officially the last day of Winter down here. I'll be starting my seed later today between bouts on the web, - in an ice-cream container of course, and putting them out in my mini-hotbed to grow. Antipodeans please note! It should more accurately be called a "cold frame" as it has no extra heating, and is actually a rectangular wall cabinet with a mirrored internal back, a glass shelf and glass sliding doors closing the front. Sort of a basic drinks cabinet. (You notice, Patty, that I just can't avoid talking about booze. I think I'll go and have one........... [long pause], well, thash better; nothing quite like a nice pot of tea. Watch out for my Hub on distilling, hope to write it soon) The cabinet was chucked out by our local charity shop a couple of weeks back as too scruffy to sell, so cost me nothing - and boy does it work well. I put several lidded containers of chili and leek in it to sprout, and on checking them a couple of days back found it was so hot in the containers that I had a well steamed worm. The lids came off rapidly! The cabinet's sitting just outside the double doors of my lounge facing north and is big enough to raise sufficient seedlings to keep my garden supplied all year. (It's drizzling here at the moment, and I went to see how the seeds are coming on as I wrote this, -in my slippers, which remain dry.) The moral is: Don't make the job unnecessarily awkward. If you have to put on boots, a sou'wester, a woolly hat, and beat if a hive of bees whenever you need to check your seedlings you probably won't bother - and they'll turn up their little toes and die. If you can do as I do - take a short break from what I'm doing, make a cup of coffee, and have a quick squiz at what's growing on the window-sill or just outside the door, you'll be on top of of any problems that may arise. Watering, too hot, slugs, whatever.

Sorry Patty for using my reply to you to disguise a quick tutorial, but I had to sneak it in somewhere.Oberleutenant Maxi is drilling the eels on the college sports-field just up the road. They're having a major problem with the goose-step, - keep falling flat on their faces. The worms are of course in mourning .Much wailing and gnashing of masticulators.

And now a little confession for those who've persevered so far. I don't smoke, I never have, apart from the very occasional cigar. But I DO grow, and make, reasonably good smoking tobacco. I'm not biased by an urgent craving to smoke what I've made, and the smokers who I've used for quality control, when I think that it's ready to use, are enthusiastic.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

To the queries from another site (B.T. Evilpants), 1- NZ1689 membership # (when signing in use 1,not I) 2- Sorry, no nude bathing, just pub quizzes and erratic AGMs, 3- my forte is loosing pens. Are you founding and/or management? (private answer, please)


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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

I had an uncle that raised bees and built a solar powered house - only took 30 years 1950 - 1980. :) I saw in once in the 1960s, half-baked, as it were.

So what does one do with tobacco if one does not smoke? I hear it makes a good poultice.

I suppose the eels have invented their own electrical conveyences by this time, to replace the goose stepping.


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talford 8 years ago from U.S.A.

Interesting hub.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Patty: Dock makes a better poultice I believe, as does a mustard paste. I'm loathe to suggesting using tobacco for one, because of the chance of one's system absorbing nicotine. Smoke it if you wish but why push your luck? Tobacco infused in a bucket if water is a time honoured insect spray. This year I'll be scattering plants around my garden to deter the Cabbage White Butterfly, which is a pest in New Zealand. (If it doesn't work, back to Derris Dust.)

Your maternal concern about the eels is heartening. I overcame the goosestepping problem by contacting your friend in the swamp. He sent 7,000,000 pogo sticks on approval. If B.T. gets elected, he gets Florida, if B.T. cans out, he gets the eels. They can now alternately goose-step and straight arm salute as they bounce by.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

talford: Thanks for dropping in. I see that you've had an enlightening life, my best wishes.


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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

I wish I could draw a picture of 7,000,000 pogo eels...laughing to hard to hold the pencil,


joeactionhero 8 years ago

I have experimented a bit and have found a strong tea in cold water of cured tobacco leaves snuffed up the nose is a great substitute for smoking the herb. It tastes _great_! Perfumey. Tiniest bit of a 'burn'. A drop goes down the hatch to yr tummy and oh is that nice. Do overdo it.

It has the same 'dose-response curve' of smoke herb, with no combustion products, no lung wear-and-tear, no offensive stink to non-partakers, and no federal taxes payable.

I will still smoke, 'cuz I love the practice. But I'll supplement with the liquid snuff to avoid a chemotherapy and narcotic habit in the future. I'll snuff even while doing chemo- and no Doctor can fault me!

Joe on Pender Island, British Columbia canada


The Old Firm 8 years ago

Thanks Joe for your input. I've found when "zapping" the leaves in a food processor that a small amount of fine powder is left which makes excellent snuff. I'm still waiting for one of my more elderly English ( or old Pommy, if you wish) friends to show up from his world wanderings to give an expert opinion on its quality.


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countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

That's a cute little white mouse you got over there...hehe. By the way I like your play of words "chairy little hest". I personally don't smoke but was curious about this as our domestic helper in India used to chew tobacco leaves. Didn't know tobacco could be grown in one's backyard. Looking forward to more informative hubs from the kiwi land.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

As you probably read, I have never smoked either, but after all the mystique shovelled around about growing the stuff, (and more-so, the difficulties in curing it) and finding nothing really helpful on the web I had a bash myself, dispelled a lot of perceived myths and wrote of my results.

I pinched the mouse from one of Patty Inglish's hubs until I can get a picture of myself that shows a reflection. lol, TOF


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countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

You pinched from the best (Patty Inglish is an amazing writer). As they say imitation is the best form of flattery. So here's to the lovely mickey mouse...LOL


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Shalini Kagal 8 years ago from India

What a fun read to be sure! Tobacco growing peppered with humour - and you make it sound sooo easy. Just make sure those 'baccy companies don't get you now!!! :)


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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

Great hub, even for a non-smoker like me. They're impressive looking plants aren't they? I didn't know you grew tobacco down under, but why not? You've a more favourable climate than we do, and a sweeter, slower pace of life. I was in NZ 12 years ago for a visit, and absolutely loved it.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks team.

I had an embryo 'baccy plant (self seeded) lurking under my rhubarb over Winter Amanda, its now three foot high and rising. as I said above, short of dynamite or bulldozing, tobacco will grow pretty-well anywhere. I've visited hubs from you all. I have impressive "fans"!


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countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

TOF- You are really funny and intelligent. The way you said you said that you don't believe in reincarnation(I though you were supporting those who rubbish the eastern belief) but then immediately you said that was in another life... that made me laugh out loud. In India they have a quote "When we have friends like 'you' we don't need enemies"...you are one little naughty mouse....hehe


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Yep, all six feet and 185lb of me.


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guidebaba 8 years ago from India

Excellent Hub.


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Shirley Anderson 8 years ago from Ontario, Canada

My grandparents ran a tobacco farm, raised their kids there. My grandpa chewed snuff. Still, I learned more about growing tobacco here than from my dad or grandma and grandpa. Of course, I only lived on the tobacco farm until I was 10 months old so I guess it's understandable that I don't remember a thing about it. Funny thing is, none of them smoked cigarettes and I do.

Can't wait to read the distillery hub. Tips on debauchery for free! Love it.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Shirley, I was born in the tobacco growing heart of New Zealand. My mother's grandparents were among the first settlers there, and like you I was about ten months old when we left.

I've just been to see how my mate Wally the Dutch from over the road's tobacco is coming on. Nice little plants about the size of a cup and saucer at the moment. from this point on they'll go ape. Thanks for your interest.


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B.T. Evilpants 8 years ago from Hell, MI

I have saved thousands of dollars, making my own smokes. Now I can grow the tobacco, and be totally self sufficient!


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

B.T. For in-depth information on how to grow those smokes go to any tomato growing site. The properties and techniques are very similar I'm told. You do need a more enclosed space as the plants are quite susceptible to pests and diseases, such as light-finger and fuzz.


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compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

Hi The Old Farm, I never ever even thought of growing home grown tobacco! very cool!

Be careful, the government will not be happy about this hub!:D


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Yeah, gidday compu-smart, nice to hear from you.

The government is not happy about a lot of things that I do, and I'm sooo worried, however growing tobacco is perfectly legal here in Godzone', and so is making hooch, as I said in the intro'; so they can go, squat and cluck to their heart's content.


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Lgali 8 years ago

very good hub


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diggersstory 8 years ago from #1 Tourist Trap O Town USA

What an interesting ~ curious read. I had to find out more and hit the motherload. There's a lot being done with the evil tobacco leaf these days.

Five or ten years tobacco farmers could wind up being heroes in the pharmaceutical industry curing all sorts of wicked bad diseases.

In the US Stanford University is testing an injectable cancer vaccine in genetically engineered plants.The private sector; researchers and bioengineering entrepreneurs have used tobacco plants as hosts for processes that may produce new antibiotics, vaccines, cancer treatments, blood substitutes, biodegradable plastics and industrial enzymes and solvents.

Top tobacco dawg J.J. Reynolds created a subsidiary, Targacept, to compete with Eli Lily and Abbot Laboratories to treat Alzheimer’s.

A group of biomedical scientists from the University of Central Florida have established that insulin capsules produced from transgenic tobacco plants that can cure diabetes in mice.

Early tests suggest the leafy pariah can actually grow complex medicines, from blood thinners to a possible AIDS drug.

Who would have known that pharmaceutical tobacco could retain a higher price and be a gold mine. Cha Ching Bling Bling.

check out my sources for more

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive...

http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2008/09/01/busine...


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luvintkandtj 8 years ago from USA

Great hub! I'm from Virginia tobacco land. So i definitely appreciate this hub


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday Diggersstory. You and BT Evilpants should get on well. Thanks for the expansion on the uses of the evil weed.

I've just returned from visiting my old mate Wally the Dutch (from over the road) where we carried out Quality Control on a batch of home brew that I helped him bottle a couple of months back. At the same time I did a running check on his little plot of tobacco - only a couple of dozen plants, quite enough to keep him in bug spray for the rest of the year. (He's got a large garden) The biggest plant's four foot and rising, he should be picking the first leaves soon

But strewth mate, transgenic tobacco? So mice that normally don't get diabetes are artificially infected or whatever with it and then "cured." It'll take a lot of generations down the line before I'm happy with the proof of a lack of side effects.


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The Old Firm 8 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

luvintkandtj: Welcome aboard. As you've read, it's Virginia seed that I've used, and it makes, I'm told, a fine tasting smoke. It certainly grows prolifically.


Writer Rider 7 years ago

You're a feisty little fella, aren't ya? Thanks for tribute. Interesting hub. You're wrong about Obama.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hello Stefanie,

Do you mean that I got his five cypher code screwed up? That's twice this unigobble. Why do you think I was dumped on your glorious and admirable planet? - Actually that's an evasion. I'm here to teach how to grow tobacco - and strawberries. Love.PC49.


Why? 7 years ago

Tobacco smells bad and who would want to grow this? A waste of good crop land.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi,Why? Me, because I want to. Fair enough reason?


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Nickny79 7 years ago from New York, New York

Interesting hub. I love the smell of pipe tobacco.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Nickny79, Thanks. One of my memories of high school is of a teacher who smoked aromatic pipe tobacco. You would always know when he'd been in thee corridor.


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rockinjoe 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

I miss smoking. It will be 10 years in February. Thanks for the hub. If I ever fall off the wagon and get the urge to grow my own, I'll be sure to look you up.


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Verax 7 years ago from Oregon

Now you have done it. I am going to enlist a fellow cigar smoker and move this to the next level


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Nickny79 7 years ago from New York, New York

That must be an old memory, if pertained to any sort of tobacco smoking in school! I was a teacher myself--I should think I'd be fired on the spot, tenure notwithstanding, if I ever dared to smoke a pipe in the corridors!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

rockinjoe, You'll realy have fun when I get around to doing a hub on distilling then. I'll bring the temperance bunch out of the woodwork with that one, I bet.

Verax,I'm looking forward to your cigar hub.

Nick: I was born ten thousand years ago, and there's nothing in this world that I don't know. - I've seen Peter Paul and Moses play ring around the roses. (it's written in the scriptures that it's so!)


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justmesuzanne 7 years ago from Texas

When I worked for FEMA I talked with a few old folks in the deep south whose personal tobacco patches had been destroyed by whatever the current disaster was. They said they would not be able to get new seed because the tobacco companies were making it very hard for individuals to grow their own. They all said it was much better, smoother, and not as deadly as commercial tobacco.

I also knew an elderly lady whose father had a small tobacco farm in Virginia. She said that she and her siblings spent hours and hours picking bugs off the tobacco and that it was all grown completely naturally and people didn't die from smoking back then. She thought that the reason tobacco is so deadly now is all the chemicals that are used in its production.

I don't smoke, but good HUB! Thanks! :)


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thank you Suzanne. I agree, of course with your elderly friends. I feel that home grown tobacco is usually far less lethal than the commercial stuff, as less non-degradable poisons are used in growing it.

For what it's worth, I also think the same of home grown vegetables, for the same reasons. The degree of potential danger is obviously inherently different.


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Amanda Severn 7 years ago from UK

TOF,

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all access locally grown fruit, veg, (and tobacco?) Where did it all go wrong?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I do reasonably well, Amanda. Although I'm in a suburban stand alone unit. A garden space of 25x18 feet keeps me pretty well supplied.

Not everybody has the time, space or inclination to garden though. Farmers' markets, flea markets and a bit of a search for local growers will often help. Try the web for suppliers in your' area - you may be surprised.


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Amanda Severn 7 years ago from UK

I do use the farmer's markets in Shoreham and Lewes, and we have a local greengrocer who uses Sussex growers as far as possible, but the supermarkets where most people shop are another matter entirely! Our little garden is smaller than yours, north facing, and dominated by the kid's trampoline, but we do grow tomatoes and herbs in pots in the summer, and I once grew a pumpkin which virtually took over all the available space all on it's own!


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Nicole Winter 7 years ago from Chicago, IL

Wow, The Old Firm this is an extensive & fantastic hub! Excellent comments, all around, too, very interesting reads. I'm trying to quit smoking right now, but I wonder if I'd started smoking stuff that I had grown myself all those years ago if I wouldn't be as miserable as I am right now. I completely agree that it is the additives & extra junk they put in commercial tabby that is killing people.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Nicole, thanks for the kind words. I've had a quick look at a couple of your hubs and I'm sure that you're not at all miserable, you're far too ebullient for that.

As tobacco won't keep smoldering on its own, it had minute amounts of saltpetre (potassium nitrate) added to it in the early days to keep it burning. Cheap alcohol (rum) was also used, as well as to preserve and flavour it. Honey was sometimes used to do the last two. I doubt that these would cause you much harm, probably far less than continual lungs full of hot, irritant laden smoke, but the current method of commercial production loads the leaf with poisons which accumulate in the body. This scares the hell out of me.


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Nicole Winter 7 years ago from Chicago, IL

Dude... WIRED had an article in what goes into the average "commercial" smoke... (The picture in the article looked an awful lot like the "Morley's" CSM on the X-Files smoke & I think we all know what those were supposed to be...) and did you know?, this is one of the grosser all natural ingredients they cited... they use some sort of glandular extract from beavers. So now whenever I see anyone smoking a "Morley" I can't help but tell them they are smoking beaver balls. *grin* As for being miserable, I'm a wreck right now. When I'm not eating I'm chewing and when I'm not chewing, I'm drinking. And when I'm not doing either of those I'm smoking. I'm *so* pissed off at these big brand companies for putting all this extra & highly addictive / poisonous crap in our cigarettes.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Now I am realy scared. My particular apprentice intake had the official nickname of "Beavers". Now not only do I have to avoid government bureaucrats, income tax officials, the SWAT squad and irate husbands with long memories, I've got to be on the look-out for tobacco company hit men with big syringes!

Sounds like you're "misery"is just standard pre-Christmas build-up. The only thing you missed is spending far too much money on junky toys that fall to bits within minutes. (Toy drums don't though. You can hit the bloody things with an axe and they just get louder. DONT BUY THE KIDS DRUMS!!)


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Nicole Winter 7 years ago from Chicago, IL

*giggle* thanks, The Old Firm. I think I agree that drums are off the list.


YAY! Bakky in the Backyard! 7 years ago

Couple of things ... Thanks heaps for you valuable info :)

But wait! There's more!

How long does it take for the bakky plants to reach maturity?

Do I pick and hang leaves as I go? Or a big bang when the plant hits maturity?

How long does it take from woe to go to have a smokable result?

Could I sneak a few plants in around Auckland City Council parks and reserves?

Thanks heaps for your site ... very informative :)


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi YAY, answers:

1) A mate planted seedlings in early October and picked his first leaves yesterday.

2) Pick and hang as you go. (Bottom leaves first.)

3) Allow 3 months from planting seedlings to picking your first leaves plus a MINIMUM of 3 months drying, but 6 months makes a far better product.

4) Tobacco is insensitive to the ownership of the land it grows on, you may not be so lucky. As I said above tobacco growing is quite legal in NZ, selling it isn't, so why mess about growing it surreptitiously?

Good luck with your growing, I'm transplanting self sown seedlings in the next few days so you've still time for a crop this year.

Cheers, TOF


Writer Rider 7 years ago

Hey TOF,

Once again great hub. I love it when people create their own products usually manufactured by companies. Got another?

WR


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

To lazy to write it at the moment Writer Rider, I'm having too much fun stirring it on other hubs, but it'll probably be on making moonshine, which I've done with skill and dexterity, and carried out quality control on with enthusiasm (when I can snatch the bottle momentarily from the frenzy of over-enthusiastic members of the self appointed quality control panel)

Backy, Booze, the third hub should be a Doozy! Thanks for commenting Stefanie.

Cheers, TOF


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Ken Devonald 7 years ago from Edinburgh

Brilliant Hub! We won't be allowed to grow baccy (or distill for that matter) but I'm gonna show a few mates this for info - too blooming cold here anyway I suspect.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Ken, tobacco would probably grow in Edinburgh, it's bloody hardy, I don't know The UK laws regarding it's growth, though. As for 'stilling, surely a Scottish National Heritage protected cottage industry? (One of the first things that I was taught on my arrival in Australia to start my apprenticeship was strict observance of the eleventh commandment - "Thou Shalt Not Get Caught!")


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foxility 7 years ago

I smoke cigars but I think it would be too much trouble for me to grow my own tobbacco. It is nice to know how to do it though.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Foxility, your probably right. The tobacco growing's easy, however I've been told that correct cigar rolling requires the use of a dusky maiden's thigh, both rare and frowned upon these days. Thanks for your comment.

TOF


Writer Rider 7 years ago

Very true, TOF, very true. As we say in the U.S, whatever floats your boat and saves your lost remote. I'll enjoy it as long as it's very witty and original.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Well, Writer Rider, that's certainly deep and profound. It must be as I haven't a bloody clue what it means. (But then, I'm just a rambling wreck from Wagga Wagga Tech.)

I hope that you like the pretty pictures I added to the hub. Took most of them myself last week!

Love, TOF.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Hi ya TOF! Loved it along with all the comments and your almost second hub replying to Patty. My Papaw. a Kentuckian, grew his own tobacky and he and Mamaw would cure it in some kinda mixture and roll it up into twists for chew/chaw. They both chewed it. I tried it and puked when I was about 5. I still recall Papaw telling me, "Now Chuckle-doodle-doo if you spill that can I'll take the coal shovel to you!"

The can was a Maxwell coffee used for a spitoon in the house.

Well, anyway, loved the hub and am waiting on your next one about shine, since that's in muh blood too!


Writer Rider 7 years ago

TOF,

It means write what you want. Nothing negative, beautiful pictures. Might as well pick up a bad habit seeing as how America's going down a certain type of creek. My grandfather used to smoke cigars as well, his cigar smoke was such a pleasant smell.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Writer Rider.

Love, TOF


frank 7 years ago

Growing tobacco is legal in the UK.No tax .You are supposed to pay duty only when it has been cured.You are supposed to inform the customs and exise people when you have cured it.Hope they are not holding there breath waitng.

Great site


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Frank, Helpful information for UK hubbers. If customs and exise complain, look dumb and say that you didn't even know that it was sick.

Cheers,

TOF.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Well old boy, I se you did add the poor old woman with a joint in her mouth on here. good. Love the new look too. it suits you. They ought to make a stamp out of that one. It would hot. He kinda looks like Old Mac with a mustache.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Who's Old Mac?


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

"I shall return."


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Oh, yeah. Too loud, too late, wet pants going and coming.

(Couldn't resist that, he wasn't too bad)


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Proud Mom 7 years ago from USA

The only experience I have with tobacco in any form was a large pinch of "Red Man" chew given to me by my grandaddy. He was always very discreet about his "spitoon", as I do not ever remember seeing one, and he did not tell me what to do with it. I enjoyed the first 1/2 second or so, then swallowed. I puked for weeks. Turns out, he was teaching me a very painful lesson. Not that I've ever SEEN a woman chew, but around these parts, it probably wouldn't be uncommon.

Won't be using your techniques, but I do think one cannot have too much knowledge. Okay, well, maybe.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I've never seen ANYONE chew tobacco, not a habit down here. I think rolling your own isn't very lady-like, however a lot of women do it for economy. Tobacco products, especially cigarettes are taxed to hell in NZ. Thanks for having a look PM.


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Proud Mom 7 years ago from USA

Then you wouldn't appreciate the occasional road-side billboards around here sporting the picture of a man with only half of his lower face admonishing smokeless tobacco. But then again, I don't either. Gross.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I have enough problems with pictures on the news of a midget with very little forehead and his arm in plaster from falling over when clambering down some stairs, who is apparently our Prime Minister!


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Now that's some PM Firm. And about ol' Mac, he was a snit and pompous old ass. Truman did right by firing him.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks CC, that's an "h", not an "n", I take it?


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Hello stranger! Is the call of the tobacco stronger than that of HP?? :D


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Shalini, it was the call of the Irish Knife-Hand, who very neatly flicked out a gall bladder that was surplus to requirements; so now when someone tells me that I've got a gall saying something I can prove them wrong. (The lengths that some people will go to to prove a point!)

Love, TOF


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

<<<<<<<<<<<<hugs>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Welcome back TOF - good to see you on the Hubtivity Highway again! The lengths you go to....LOL!


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

He still has plenty o' gall though ain't he? hello Firm! ya finally answered yer phone


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi y'all. And now I'm off to bed.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Goodnight then.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Claude Desgroseilliers has made a brilliant suggestion about using a pasta cutter to slice tobacco. I've added it above, with a link to view the device. Thanks Claude.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

That should work fine. I use one for lots o' things.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Yeah CC. It works for Claude


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Damb pages are slow tonight. How ya doin'?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry Charlie, just been having a coffee with Wally the Dutch, I'm fine. Got to go out in a few hours to a lodge meeting, and have a bit of prep to do so won't be too active for the next six or so hrs. Listening out, though.

I see you're writing like it's going out of fashion. Keep 'er up, mate


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

I'll look for ya later bud. I need to rest. Have a fine time at the ladies lodge meetin'.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I wish. Boys only.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Gawd, you have a 97 score on here. Just checking to see if yer OK?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

97? I missed that, Back down to 94 now. Yep AOK, been catching up on gardening, - and sleep. Cheers, Carlie. TOF


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

That's an important topic there. Hope you're all caught up.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Off to work on the sleep bit again now. Good news about Ashley, PM's got some scum neighbours.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Hey Firm? knoc knoc. are you ta home old man?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Alive and kicking old friend.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

I'll be an sob if it ain't the tof. hey


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Well, dammit, is that all? I'm fixin ta go ta bed here


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Laughing Mom 7 years ago

TOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where you been??

CC, you said that 20 minutes ago when you lost the battle!


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

Okay, so I lived in New Zealand for six years and many people grow their own smoking stuff and it ain't the tobacco you're thinking of. I always wondered why there was a long wire with a plug on the end coming from the trapdoor in my cupboard, coming from inside the roof. One day I decided to go and look. It was a whole farm in my roof! The previous owners had been cultivating their own smoking product! So, The Old Firm, yeah, we know what you're really growing....lol


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

LM, Iwas till I saw the old bastard is back


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

Hey CC, you can't go sleep, I've just woken up!


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

haha, well now I just may reconsider now. hey ya gotta join this old farts fan club now


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Laughing Mom 7 years ago

I'll get right on that.


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

yep have joined old fart's fan club, if he doesn't smoke the weed he grows, does he put it in his anzac biscuits and eat it?


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

I reckon you'll find that out when you meet him. haha he's a pest LM, I tho't you were a member alredy

He is playing possom on us now


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

nah, if he's in NZ, he's watching rugby league on telly as we chat on his hub


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Oh yeah, forgot that. also he has a lot of catching up to do


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Firm, ya really need to join laughing mom, you and I know her very well. we used to have lot's of laughs at her expense, poor kid, so much goes over her head, hint, hint


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hey, rugby league leaves me as cold as last weeks mutton, don't think much of union either, (I'm an anti-social Bastard,- and the Indians are kicking our arses at cricket!!) I'm more of an itelec..- innerlek..- interlic... smart arse.

I had a neighbour drop in for coffee just after I kicked this thing into life, I've just thrown him out and I'm so hyped up on coffee I'm bouncing of the walls.

Yeah, Gidday Cindy, nice to meet you, watch out for Charlie, he's got a thing about toads!

 


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

hahaha, she's met me firm, she luvs me, too late haha hey wait and meet blondepoet, she's going to look to look you up.


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Oooooooh - he's back! You elusive Old Firm, you! Missed you!


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

You also need to check out Frieda Babbley, another one that is just wonderful and witty. I'll lead her to you too. the more the merrier haha


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

Hey CC you still up? My bum is numb


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Yeah, I jus read the lil turd dropping. haha twas good. I had to reboot and clean up my pc


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

lol, I seriously have to stand up now. Jeez, 1.48pm and I haven't even got dressed yet!


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blondepoet 7 years ago from australia

Hey Cindy my bum is numb too. My buttocks get sore from sitting down too long.Oh sorry TOF lol I was distracted.This is excellent,so much info here, I may just become a tobacco grower myself who knows

My friend just told me it is illegal is that right surely not


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi blondepoet. Having cleared 350 odd (some VERY odd) emails , I'm back. Read my intro at the top of the page regarding the legality of tobacco growing in NZ, I don't know the present laws in Oz, however, if you can buy the seed there through a merchant, it must be legal to grow. It's available here as an ornamental, -pretty pink flowers and a long blooming period, but it's still the tobacco of commerce!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for missing me Shalini, nice to hear from you.


C. C. Riter 7 years ago

Oh I'm so tickled my new friends have found you firm. Now watch out for blonde, she'll steal yer heart man. woo-hoo


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Georgiaboy 7 years ago from Fortson, Georgia, USA

Thanx for this great hub! I lucked into it by looking up curing tobacco. Heck, I just grew it, aged it, shredded it with a Toledo meat slicer, and smoked it. I'm glad to know I didn't miss anything by bypassing all the frills. It's just now turning spring in the topheavy northern half of the world, and I'm starting with some new Burley seeds from Tennessee. I've got about two pounds of baccuh left from last crop, hoping I can hold out til I get this crop cured. The Supreme Soviet just sent the tobacco tax out the wazoo and turned supervision of it over to the USKGB, so I'm hoping to get a few pounds stashed away before the Black Maria's start rolling around at 3:00 AM.

It's gonna be one very interesting millenium. Cheers, and hang onto your hats, boys and girls! - Georgiaboy


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry about taking so long to reply Georgiaboy, I've had a few computer bugs, and a lot of other things to do, so have just got back on the web, and cleared about 150 emails.

The first frosts are just thinking about it here, and we're still picking leaf. Growth has slowed down dramatically though. Wally the Dutch (that's him in one of the photos) is still getting leaves from the plants he was harvesting in late January. He cut the top two feet out of those plants about the start of April and is drying them as well. What was left just kept on growing!

Cheers


Michal 7 years ago

Reallly great article, thanks TOF. I've got a question: my friend gave me totally dry tobacco leaves (they are about 2-3 yers old and they were hanging in an attic. They're completely brittle. Is spraying them reasonable or are they trash and i can't make a good smokes of it?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Michal, I've seen leaves so dry that they're real bummers rejuvenated with a fine spray so give it a go, you'll probably end up with a reasonable smoke, (and if you don't, you've lost nothing!)

Good luck.

TOF


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Good to see you back TOF :)


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Just passing through Shalini, good to hear from you.


Bob 7 years ago

Thanks for setting my mind at ease regarding growing and harvesting/curing tobacco suitable for private consumption as a cigge smoker for years i am harvesting my first crop now May 09 and am looking forward to the cashflow increasing(D.P.B Dad) as the tobacco starts to cure. Was a bit disapointed to find out i may have to wait 3 months for it to cure but i guess like a lot of good things it takes time as the younger generation of woman will find out if they sample the older stud with the amazing Technique.A quick yarn for ya.

Two bulls one wise the other not so wise were standing on a hill perving on a couple of dozen heifers. being breeding season the young one says to the old boy come on lets race down there and nail a couple of them but the old boy says na lets walk down there and nail the lot.

Catch ya later Bob


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hell Bob, you must be old. I remember hearing that one fifty years ago.

Cheers Mate.


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Laughing Mom 7 years ago

Hey, TOF! It's good to see you!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi sweetheart


2C's 7 years ago

Hey frim. How grow the whiskers? great to see ya


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

All trimmed down for the play- and gingery. I look almost civilised!

How's it going, I enjoy your happy hubs.

Foreman of the Jury


2C's 7 years ago

Gee thanks firm. happy hubs. haha Forman of the Jury, that the play? dint know you were an actor, I'm envious. would not be able to, stage fright ya know an' I'm shy. LOL

I'm doin' well enough, just busy with stuff and living. Trying to survive my dam allergy to lawn mowing and pollen with all the flowery sex going on out of doors. Birds an' bees ya know? LOL


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

The play's "Twelve Angry Men", the part's the mug at the top of the table in the jury-room; and I'm no actor, I got sucked in.

Don't let all that out-door sex get you down; if you can't lick 'em, join 'em.

Cheers, TOF


the fat man 7 years ago

Out door sex is best. LOL I shall let it get me down.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Glad to know your OK fats, you had us all in a panic. Don't strain your' little tin ticker, ol mate.

Cheers. TOF


2moms 7 years ago

question to anyone who might have the answer we two moms have decided to grow tabacco we have recived our seedlings and are proud to say they are growing. Our question is if we wanted to make a cigar from the tabacco would it require a different kind of tabacco plant or a combination of tabacco plants and what is the best way to sell cigars or ciggs without getting into trouble. And were is the best or chepest way to get supplys. USA


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R. Blue 7 years ago from Right here

CC had mentioned to me to come and check you out.  I grew up on a tobacco farm in North Carolina and can tell you more than you ever want to know about the stuff...how we got up early to pick the leaves and we'd throw them under our arms while they were wet and cold as we walked down the tobacco rows...stopping only when we could carry no more and depositing them in a "slide"...often pulled by a mule....how the tobacco juice built up on our hands.....was a black and gooey mess hard to get off.....of my grandfather sleeping by the barn to stoke the fire during the night to cure the tobacco....of picking the choice dried leaves called "wrappers" to wrap around bundles of dried leaves........well, anyway I know a couple of things about baccy....LOL


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry that I can't help you 2moms, - outside my realm of expertise. You could try R. Blue, he sounds up with the play.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday RB, Check my fan mail on you profile. I didn't know that you were a baccy brat. I too was born in tobacco and hop growing country here in "Godzone" (but left when still a toddler)

How's Charlie's book coming on, published yet?

Cheers, TOF


2moms 7 years ago

I just askes a question..I did not ask to hear about your life sounds like you really do not have an answer to the question so why would you write such &&%%#@


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

2moms:

I grow and cure tobacco.

I don''t make cigars. I don't sell tobacco, - it's illegal to in New Zealand. My answer to you told you that.

I did not reply to you about my life, that reply was to some-one with considerably more manners than you. Kindly save your PMS for those who appreciate it. I don't.


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R. Blue 7 years ago from Right here

2moms... there are indeed different varieties of tobacco along with different methods of curing them. The type of tobacco I am familiar with is "flue cured" tobacco. It is picked leaf by leaf as it ripens and is then heated to dry the leaf. This type of tobacco is used mostly for cigarettes, snuff, and pipe tobacco. In Kentucky they grow "burley" tobacco which is harvested by cutting the entire plant and hanging it upside down and air curing it. Sorry but I was only involved in the growing process and not in the processing. I'm sure a bit of research on your part will give you your answer.....however the best way to learn a trade like this is to apprentice. Cuba would be my first stop.

TOF....Charlie is currently off the Hubs....I didn't get a chance to talk to him before he left....but I believe he was put off with hubpages about the Hub challenge. I believe his book is "in the works".


UK Magazines 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

R. Blue: Thanks for the help. Also, I'm now in communication with Charlie, I thought that you knew.

Cheers, TOF.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

UK Magazines: Nice of you to drop in.


TOHMyth 7 years ago

2moms you need to find a farmer in the South for supplies and a Cuban woman to show you how to roll them.


ralwus 7 years ago

This ol hub still here? fine turd dropping I must say.


Writer Rider 7 years ago

I'm taping my fingers waiting for another one hub TOF.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

TOHMyth, Thanks for the input. I heard that it had to be a young Cuban woman. Not a lot of them around here. (That's why I don't make cigars.)

'wus, - still stoned in the back yard mate? Nice photos.

WR, wot, and drag down my Hub score? (PS, I write with taped fingers too - very slowly!)

Cheers all,

"Sigmund".


annvans 7 years ago

Wonderful hub, I have been trying to view it, but my mcafee site advisor wouldn't let me. I guess I can now though. Thanks for the info!!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks annvans. I wonder what's up with mcafee? I'm glad that you put it in it's place. Cheers.


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nicomp 7 years ago from Ohio, USA

How does one determine when tobacco needs to be cured? Does it run a fever?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

One way of curing it is hanging it up the flue. In these times it can be a swine of a job. Also when it appears to be getting off colour is a good time to try curing it.

Wanna buy a watch?

Cheers.


Ed DOG 7 years ago

When would you say the best ime to harvest the bottom leaves is, yellow, green or inbetween.

Thanks from Montana


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Ed, I replied to you a few hours back but it seems to have disappeared somewhere along the way, so here goes again. Both Wally the Dutch (from over the road, that's him in the photo with the leaves) and I have found that there's little difference between picking green, or as they colour. the curing goes just as well. If they're fully yellow they've had a bit of a head start, that's all, but I suggest that you keep them in separate bunches when curing for consistent drying.

Wash off any dirt splatter on the bottom leaves as soon as you pick them, (it's a lot easer then than later) and let them dry off before you hang them to cure.

Have fun with your growing,

Regards, TOF.


Ed DOG 7 years ago

Thanks for the reply the info is appreciated

Ed


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Glad to help Ed.


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nicomp 7 years ago from Ohio, USA

How does one know when it's time to pick? I suggest an expensive yet reliable wrist watch.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Actually, I found a crowd advertising on your' get rich site that sell watches that take 14hrs video/audio for about $50 US, and tell the time. (I might try them out with something cheap like a GPS dongle to check their reliability - they're Chinese of course.)

How's the 2D static vectoring these days?

Cheers, TOF


Mike 7 years ago

Hello, I have 50,000 plants growing this year and am breeding hybreds for cigarette tobacco. I have found that a 3 way mix in tobacco makes for a better smoke, and trying to geneticly fix a "One size fits all" for home growers so they don't have to plant verities of tobacco for a perfect smoke. Burley, Golden seal, NC129, have been the past crosses with the traits I'm linebreeding for. Have you a single verity your "samplers" prefer?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Mike. I bought my initial seed from Kings Seeds in Katikati NZ three years ago and have been propagating from seed that I save each year since. On checking their' current catalogue I see that they are presently selling Golden Newt, so assume that's what I have.

http://www.kingsseeds.co.nz/ Go to shopline -flowers-hardy annual. It's, sold as an ornamental which of course it is, probably to avoid some silly law or another.

I can vouch for it's hardiness. It's nearly mid-winter here and there's been several frosts in the last few weeks, of down to -4 C, and some plants which self seeded in February are thriving and still growing, although more slowly than ones planted in late November/early December (photographed above.) The tallest is over 6ft and they're nearing harvest readiness.

It looks like you're growing in a big way Mike, what acreage are you planting?

Best of luck, TOF.


Mike 7 years ago

Hello again, I've planted 11 acres, Kind of small compared to 600 of corn and 160 of alfalfa I used to farm, but this is just kind of a fun thing, With the tax laws changing in the states on tobacco, 10 new Tobacco companys have started up here in Oklahoma and I am growing certified seed for them. The leaf it's self is secondary this year. I don't think the verity's I have will stand the winters here, it can get to 0 F here in January. Right now it's pushing 100' F with 90% humidity, and the tobacco is loving it so far. I've added a little to much nitrogen, as the plants are out growing the roots at this point. I have a chem-a-gation system that mists the plants with liquid fertilizer and I haven't got the mix perfected yet.

Do you go to the Horse races there? I also raise Thoroughbreds and have a son of Southern Halo for our Stud Horse, I hear that blood line is doing well in your part of the world.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I don't follow the horses Mike but several of my friends do, and an old bloke I play cards with and his twin brother have owned and trained gallopers most of there lives as a hobby.They've one at the moment that's stabled and trained about half a mile from where I'm sitting now at home and which is showing good form, - several minor placings in reasonably prominent country races.

Yes, NZ has a good bloodline, a lot of our stud are sold internationally.

Considering the amount of seed that I get off a few plants, 11 acres is one Hell of a lot of seed. I hadn't realised that the tax on tobacco had eased Stateside, sounds a good time to get into growing there.

Best wishes,TOF


Mike 7 years ago

Hello, The tax laws haven't eased, they've gotten worst. It just that some states aren't as bad as others. Some of the major tobacco producing states are taxing at $28.75 per pound. The state that we are in is taxing on a percentage of the gross. Which is a lot less than the per pound rate, and that is why the manufacturing company's are moving here. The taxes and the economy here is a mess. The prices have gone up so much no one can afford to buy anything.

I think it's going to get worst instead of better. Lots of jobs are being lost because the companies are charging so much they can't sell anything, and instead of lowering their prices, they close down. The price of fuel to distribute products over the country has caused the price of things to double or triple. It's a mess. That's why I got out of the alfalfa hay business, We were selling hay for $80 a ton, yet it was costing the buyers $300 a ton by the time it was delivered. The livestock it was feeding wasn't worth the price of the hay at that price, so most livestock producers quit. Now, there's no market for the hay because it's priced to high. The farmer, and the rancher both go broke because of it. The equipment manufactures are losing clients because of the farmers /ranchers numbers are going down, So with less sales, they jack up the prices to cover expense's, then they go broke, and all their workers lose their jobs, It's a mess. The crime in the city's is starting to expand. Food prices are going up because the farmers are forced to quit, Bread is $5,00 a loaf, people without a job, can't pay the price, so they're starting to steal food. They get caught and fill the jails, so they let the dope dealers out so they have room for someone trying to feed their kids. It's a mess. It's caused from a greedy people, greedy corporations, and a greedy government. One better be self sufficient these days, and be able to enjoy the priceless things in life, like sunrises and sunsets. Going fishing, growing a garden, home cooking, and spending time with family and teaching the old ways of making, growing, and fixing the things one needs yourself. The USA is going back to the 1930's.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Mike. Sorry for the delay in replying. I agree with your comments on the cost spiral. It's madness to price yourself out of existence, as many companies are doing. The Government, (mine too) seems to endorse this stupidity, and turn a blind eye to monopoly trading and price boosting collusion by major companies. The fuel industry and the electricity suppliers are a couple of examples.

Self sufficiency where possible is an admirable aim, but local and national government appear to be covertly hindering that goal where-ever they can.

No matter, we still get by. My little garden reduces my food bill well, even in winter; You are adapting to use your land more profitably. Nil illigit ad carborundum. We won't let the bastards grind us down.

Cheers, TOF.


Mike 7 years ago

Hello, Yes , we'll get by. I have sandy ground here, so the roots of the tobacco plants can go deeply and easly, but there not rooting like I think they should. What size of a root system do you get on your plants? Are you transplanting or planting direct? If transplanting, what size are the roots compared to the seedling? I'm getting 3" plants with 1/2 inch roots.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Mike, One in the morning here so I'll leave the checking until tomorrow PM.

I still have self seeded plants of various sizes, as well as a few full grown ones that I've harvested but haven't pulled the stalks yet. I can tell you that I pulled out the stalks for the old bloke over the road (Wally) a few days ago and it took me all my strength for some of them, and I'm a fairly hefty 200 lb. The root-balls were a mass around 9in round, (or what came out of the ground was, a guess that the finer roots stayed behind)

I usually start the seeds off in little pots; a light sprinkle brings up hundreds of the buggers, literally, and then re-plant one to each same sized pot , but the seed is so fine and prolific you could probably sow in trays and then thin to one or two inches apart. Just chuck out the thinnings, times money and labour costs. Remember, a couple of dozen plants are all That I need, and you're doing thousands.

More tomorrow.

Cheers


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Mike, I dug out one of my old plants a few minutes ago so as not to destroy too much of the root system  The root-ball was a mass of fibrous roots measuring 24 X 18 x 10 inches deep.(this was a 7ft plant)  Also pulled a seedling at the top end of the second leaf stage - 4 1/2in across the two larger leaves, three "hairy" roots spreading out and down longest 3 1/2in plus.

Hope this helps, TOF


Mike 7 years ago

Hello, We start ours in flats with a potting soil and sand on top of that, and then lay the seeds on top of that. We mist them, and then cover them with clear tops that let the light in, but keeps the moisture in also. I think I have a bit much N in the water i'm misting with. They seem to be growing without the need for much root system. The older ones out in the field are doing great now and putting down the roots like they should be. It's the one's in the 72 cell trays that I'm have the trouble with, They develop more leaf than root in this time period, when I think they should be getting more root growth. P & K are OK in the soil samples of the fields, but I haven't sent in a sample of the potting soil we purchased for a seed starting medium. Maybe I should check on it. We still have thousands in the flats, and transplanting them to the 72 cell trays. Most of the earlier verity's we have out in the field are doing great, once the roots take ahold after transplanting..


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the info Mike. I would say that getting your mix tested is a wise option. Let me know how you go.

Cheers,

Peter.


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jim10 7 years ago from ma

I don't smoke but, this sounds so much more healthy than smoking the cigarettes with the fiberglass, ammonia, arsenic and the numerous other deadly additives they put in them here in the states for "added flavor". I think the nicotine is the least of the worries.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks jim


Brendan 7 years ago

Can you expand on how to stem the leaves after curing? I've not seen this explained anywhere. Do the stems just pull off a moistened cured leaf or are they cut out?

Do you know or can you point me the direction of someone who does?

Thanks for your input

Cheers

Brendan


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Brendan,I normally cut out the centre rib at the time that the tobacco is sliced for smoking. Wally the Dutch does it this way too. (Check the section on "Preparing the end product")

Cheers,good growing,

TOF


Jill 7 years ago

Does home-grown tobacco reek like the commercial kind (and consequently make the smoker reek, too)?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I guess that all tobacco smells like tobacco Jill. Some pipe tobacco I remember as a kid had a very pleasant odour, but how that's obtained is beyond my knowledge.

Cheers, TOF.


Deb 7 years ago

I garden, I smoke. Natural progression was to plant tobacco this year. The stuff grows quite well in Wisconsin, but I am a bit unclear about the curing mystery. (Now what, it's big) We have been picking the lower leaves and they are just fine, but I was searching for info on what we were really supposed to be doing with it first. Your site is just wonderful.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thank you Deb. It's nice to know I helped.

Cheers.


Sue 7 years ago

I managed to grow 22 plants this year. No blooms yet, but I am harvesting the lower leaves. Your section on picking and curing, I don't think I could've done it without.

The taxes that they've put on the stuff here, yikes. I am in Maryland and growing Burley. I had bugs eating some of it early on but started spraying with soapy water and it has helped somewhat.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the update Sue. I'm glad that I was of some help.

Good smoking,

Cheers.


Dazeofmylife 7 years ago

Best Greetings Old Firm.

Since May when I first began my first ever planting of Tobacco, I have watched hundreds of videos and read hundreds of articles on Tobacco growing. Your Hub or Blog on the subject was the most refreshing and totally took the anxiety out of me. Tomorrow I harvest and hang and will do so care free knowing that a hotline telephone number to R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company scientists is not required. Should an insurance company investigator come across this entry, I don't smoke either, just growing a barnful for fun!

Wishing you good health, long life and lot's of laughs!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Many thanks Dazofmylife, drop me a line to let me know how your curing goes. I picked some leaves a few days ago from plants that over-wintered (up to 4 degree C frosts)and am drying them off to see how they behave.

Tobacco's pretty much the most forgiving plant that I've ever come across.

Best wishes, TOF.


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Chef Jeff 7 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

We use home-grown tobacco in our pipes when we reenact the U.S. Civil War. Many soldiers smoked pipes back then. I still enjoy it a few times a year when I am either sitting before the fire place with a cognac or working on my model trains.

In the U.S., Wisconsin, our neighboring state, has quite a lot of tobacco grown for lab testing, etc. It's pretty good quality, too!

Cheers!

Chef Jeff


Home Grown Tobacco grower 7 years ago

Hey If anyone is looking for some really deatiled info on prepareing you're homegrown tobacco and or growing it i found this site its really good. http://homegrowntobacco.blogspot.com/


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the thumbs up HGTg, best of luck with your growing, TOF


Cher 7 years ago

Started my first crop of tobacco around late August. I live in Oklahoma and I just wanted to see if I could grow tobacco here. I am not really sure if, there is enough time left in this season for it to grow large enough before winter weather sets in.

But after reading this article, I am more comfortable about how to grow tobacco and cure it. I am a smoker and perhaps, I smoke more than I should; but I've yet to see anyone on this planet without a vice or two.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Well done Cher. Even if the leaves end up a bit small because of the late planting they'll still dry and cure OK.

Best of luck,

TOF


Dale 7 years ago

Homegrown Tobacco is not nearly as toxic as the chemicals that commercial cigarette manufacturers use. A homegrown cigarette takes about 15 minutes to burn whereas a commercial cigarette burns in 7 minutes or so. A commercial cigarette also has toxins in the filter that is heated up as you inhale. Between the additives like arsenic, fiberglass and other horrible things and the filter, commercially manufactured cigarettes are TRULY dangerous. An organic, pure tobacco cigarette, however, isn't nearly as dangerous. They put the chemicals in for flavor (to cover up the other stuff they add), to make it more addictive and to make it burn faster (so you use more) But true tobacco tastes cleaner and burns slower, without extra nicotine (yep, commercial cigs have more nicotine) or other ingredients. Men have smoked pipes for years, it wasn't until the big tobacco companies started to mass produce cigarettes that the whole stupid lung cancer thing was CREATED. Indians had campfires every night, breathing second-hand smoke. How many of them died from it?


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Quite so Dale. I personally feel that smoking is harmful, as are a lot of other things, (as I said in the introduction to this article) but that smoking home grown is far less risky than using commercial stuff for the reasons that you have so clearly presented.

This hub is however about growing and curing it, and to try and remove the mystery about doing this which may have prevented people from having a go at it themselves.

I don't want to enter into the pro's and con's of its use. That is as I stated your' own damn' business.

Many thanks for taking the time to comment here.

Regards,

TOF


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habee 7 years ago from Georgia

I read and commented on this days ago, and now I can't find my post! Ralwus ate it!

Great hub, TOF. Lots of folks around here grow their own smoke.

RE: Your comment about women only being interested in money. Not true! I left a rich man for one with no money because I loved him. I found out that money cannot buy happiness! You seem like a nice guy with a great sense of humor, and you're handsome. You have plenty to offer a lady!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks habee, your right, Charlie eats all sorts of strange things.

You must have read an 'ell of a lot of the comments to hit he "women" one, which wasn't done in bitterness, but as an observation. The aim is seldom greed, but relates to the basic survival instinct of security. If you're secure (safe in your mansion or cave, well fed, and comfortable) then you have a good partner.

I agree wholeheartedly that money isn't the end requirement, although some folk mistakenly think that it is, but having it means security is more easily attainable.

"Money doesn't buy happiness, but I'd rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable." ;)

Cheers Kid, good to hear from you.

TOF


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50 Caliber 7 years ago from Arizona

Ah, sweet tobacco, a hub and a smoke right out of my rollin' machine with a cup of mud gets me off on the right foot. Did a Look on this information early this year when they smacked us with 1000% increase on product. Took a flying tolt to town and bought 20 pounds before the price hike. Down to a pound now. .70 cent a pack US. Obummer thought he'd shut us down with his new tax slam but he left a hole in the fence a Panzer could clear. So I suffer an increase to .97 cent a pack rolling my own. A little checking around kept me in the clear. I have water now so I may try growing a bit.

I'll have to keep it in small plots, I don't need any government fly overs spotting tobacco, Mistaking it for wacky weed, and in their flying rush to let killers go and arrest some poor dope smoker and lock him up for twenty, pull a rush and come snooping around this place.

Nothing wrong here, still don't need them around, after all they are 90% of why I'm here, at least in the beginning.

Now I am not leaving for there is no better place to live.

Thanks for a lesson in tobacco, quiet well done.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the comments there 50 Caliber. I couldn't agree more with your' thoughts on government jackbooters. I've been on the receiving end of their thuggish stupidity and Inland Revenue's deliberate viciousness here as well.

Good hunting mate,

TOF


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50 Caliber 7 years ago from Arizona

Come late February, early March I think I'll give it a go and see how it does in the arid climate and sandy soil.


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Lee Thacker 7 years ago

I like the way your brain thinks, makes me feel alive listening to what your thinking, very cool...Keep it up ...PS Now I Know Why I bookmarked your page ;-) ...Hope you are doing well,


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Eileen Hughes 7 years ago from Northam Western Australia

What a brilliant and comprehensive hub. If I was a smoker I would enjoy the know how even more. Very interesting.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Lee and Eileen, Kind words.


nick shaw 7 years ago

hi im from england.I sell lots of cigarettes & tobacco in my shop but dont smoke myself. My gf and her 2 sons do so ive been looking up growing tobacco again. The curing seemed the hardest part for small scale production so it was refreshing to see a more relaxed aspect. I was looking up tips on using old fridges for doing the curing in when i got stuck on your site. You are right about governments too they seem oblivious to seeing that they cant keep putting taxes up hopefully they wont notice that we can make things ourselves. Actually I think maybe I should start making my own beer. Ill let you know how the fridge curer goes when ive grown some tobacco next year.


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

OK Nick. Thanks for the comments and good luck with your growing. If you want to get a hand operated tobacco slicer check out Holland. They sell them in the markets there, I know. (Probably all over England too if you know where to look!)

The old bloke in the photo holding two tobacco leaves has been making his own beer now for 35 years or more. He's currently turning out nine and a bit dozen 750ml bottles a time using 3 cans of home brew mix and a little extra sugar. It tastes reasonable and is about 4% alcohol.Works out at about 37c NZ a bottle, that's around 15p.

Cheers.


Wilbers 7 years ago

Mr. Old Firm, you are Great! I just love that can do attitude that you portray. Thanks for showing the rest of us how to survive with dignity in a world of hurting and pain and humiliation. I would rather grow my own tobacco, once serious problems arise, than have to barter my way for it. And tobacco would make a great bartering tool, too. Best wishes finding a new lady mate. By golly, there are plenty of good women out there looking for a good guy like you!


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The Old Firm 7 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Wilbers, (First ground rule for a future girlfriend: don't smoke.)


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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

Hey! How the f... did I miss this entertaining piece of writing and the round table conversation that went with it? Some of the comments are hilarious and the Hub itself is great. Thanks so much for sharing your insights.

Love and peace

Tony


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The Old Hack 6 years ago

Great hub. I read it last year before I joined Hub Pages and grew my own tobacco. All going well so far.


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Isabelle22 6 years ago from Somewhere on the coastline

This is a top hub for smokers.The pics were great too thanks heaps.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

The Old Hack and Isabelle 22: sorry that I missed your comments until now. Good to here from you both.

Regards, TOF


The Gardener 6 years ago

What a fentastic hub. Old Firm, May i congratulate you on a refreshing, informative,humourous and unique writing style. A rare thing indeed these days.

I to am fortunate enough to live in godzone, having moved here 5 years ago from our somewhat overweight and bedraggled mother land. I drive past about 2 acres of baccy plants every day. (subject of a doco some time ago) and always pondered on the mystical and secret process involved in its cultivation and preparation.

I have by chance come into possesion of a plant from another source and hope to cultivate it purely for seeds and then start a wee crop of my own next year. Its currently about 4 feet high and seems healthy.

Here's hoping!!!!


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi there The Gardener, welcome aboard.

If you have a disaster with your plant 'baccy seed can be obtained from Kings Seed in Katikati (there's a link near the top of the page) but you should get enough seed from your one plant to plant a two acre field in competition, yourself.

Good luck,

TOF


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Pit Bull Lori 6 years ago from Millbury, Massachusetts, USA

I just finished my official seed starting according to the directions in your hub. After much research and reading I decided that your method, which is very different from the directions I followed last year, will give me the best crop this year.

When taxes brought a one pound bag of tobacco from $20 to $55 last April I decided to grow my own. Quit? And let Big Brother win? I THINK NOT! Circumventing the taxation brings even more pleasure to the end result.

Anyways, because I got a late start along with weather conditions screwing us completely out of a normal summer my yield was quite small. The plants never made it past 6 inches in height but with faithful daily removal and processing of the largest bottom leaves I got enough product to hold me over until this year's crop is smokable.

Once I began using last season's tobacco I initially mixed with the store-bought bag to stretch out the use. I was shocked at how unbelievably awesome my stuff tastes! Was prepared for something harsh and this stuff simply knocked my socks off with how smooth it is! Now I simply cannot stomach a commercial cigarette. They make me sick to my stomach after only a couple drags! I find total enjoyment from my own tobacco even if I forego using a filtered tube and opt for my peacepipe. Even though it is so enjoyable to partake in I find that I have cut way down in consumption! I swear the big manufacturers are putting something else in their tobacco that is either more addictive than nicotine or enhances the nicotine addiction! Why else would LESS of my organic yet far tastier product satisfy me?

Great info! I'll certainly check in within 14 days as my little babies should be poking their cute little heads out to meet their momma.

Lori


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the info and heads up Lori, please keep me informed on how you go.

Cheers,

Peter.

PS, Here in NZ my season is six months out of kilter with yours, I've self seeded tobacco the size of full grown lettuce popping up all through my strawberry bed, which I'll have to transplant in the next few days.

Cheers.


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prettydarkhorse 6 years ago from US

very nice hub and from NZ, refreshing as well, and well rsearched plus well written, Thank you, Maita


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

And thank you too Maita,

Cheers,

TOF


sellstop 6 years ago

I enjoyed reading your advice and commentary on growing tobacco. Have been starting my first plants in the windowsill, thinned them this morning. Looked back a couple hours later and I swear they look like they doubled in size. Well, not quite, but they do seem bigger. I'll see how they like the Oregon weather in a few weeks.

Thank you for your informative site.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi sellstop, I wrote you a reply a few hours back but it seems to have disappeared into the ether, so here goes again.

I imagine that your seedlings are strangling each other by now (six days later) and due for transplanting into bigger pots. They're like triffids!

The best of luck with your growing.

TOF


Barrio 6 years ago

I joined this Hub thing, just to thank you for your article. I just got my new tobacco seeds in the mail today, and have been reading all sorts of sites about growing this at home. I live in Ireland, by the sea. And, ah, I'm a smoker. Anyway, I have begun to get a headache reading all the details about growing this, and was ready to give up when I just happened on your site. More suited to my taste! Particularly the food processor method of cutting up the leaves, etc. So thanks very much for all this great (and easy) info. I am heating up my seed trays today, and planting in a day or two. And looking forward to finally rolling my own (eventually).


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the thumbs up Barrio and good luck with your growing. I think that you'll find the Irish climate well suited to it. Your should be smoking your own in six months with a little luck.

A hand operated tobacco slicer is sold in Holland, so probably also in the UK, for around 30 Euro, (and one of my readers uses a fine bladed pasta cutter!) Just a couple more options.

Best wishes,

TOF


Sheryl at Providence Acres Farm 6 years ago

I loved his site. It makes the whole process so easy and stress free. I was beginning to think curing tobacco was beyond me. Thank you very much for making it easy!

I am looking forward to your aformentioned future hub on distilling.


sellstop 6 years ago

Yes, TOF, I transplanted them shortly after that last post. They grew like weeds. Three days ago I put them out in the garden. I should have about 30 plants if they all survive.

Thanks for your good advice.

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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sheryl, I'm glad this was of use to you.

I helped the old bloke over the road prepare his leaves yesterday, he'd harvested about 150 large ones of them. All he did was split the middle rib and thread them 25 to a bamboo garden stake, which he then hung horizontally in a shady, airy place. The ones that I did for myself a few months back are now a lovely golden colour and ready to remove the larger ribs and shred.

Good luck with your curing.

TOF


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

sellstop, Thanks for keeping me posted. 30 Plants should be ample for your personal needs, (and possibly a mate or two, depends on how heavily you smoke.)

When the plants get bigger they'll set side growths in the leaf roots that you should remove, the same as tomatoes, and, like tomatoes they can also be planted for a later crop.

Cheers,

TOF


Kurt 6 years ago

G`day Old Firm

There are videos/articles on the net proclaiming that store bought tobacco is addicting due to added chemicals/sugar but home grown organic tobacco is not. What do you think?


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry for the slow reply Kurt.

I reckon that tobacco on it's own is addictive, and can cause you health problems, but smoking's your own business, and I certainly agree that the additives, and the residues of herbicides and fertilisers used in growing and producing commercial tobacco seriously compound these problems.

Most things cause you harm one way or the other, But I think that if you want to smoke, sticking to the "organic" stuff will cause far less damage.

Cheers Mate.

TOF.


Natasha 6 years ago

Hi TOF

I am from NZ- Far North. This year was the first one I am growing tobacco. Very helpful hints you give here. Can I grow tobacco the whole year around in our climate? I planted mine little bit late and now some of the plants just started to flower- I did not harvest yes, but suppose it is the time (should have done it earlie, but did not know). It looks as cooler weather does not affect the growth. So is it going to survive Northland winter? I planted them on irrigation field from septic tank- it growth on my own shit- nice, warm and full of nutrient.


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Ciggy Lover 6 years ago from Thames N.Z

Hi, I'm new to this forum stuff, so here goes. I live in the Thames area,N.Z. I'v just started growing my own tobacco. I done my 1st pick 3 mnths ago. I'm using my vacant sleepout to hang the tobacco, the 1st pick went yellow, not all brown though, after about 4-5 wks, but I had trouble with them drying to quick so reg. misted them with water,so moved them to garage along with next 2nd & 3rd pick, but they didn't appear to colour cure to yellow, they gone a muddy brown, so moved all baccy back to sleepout and misting reg. with water. I'v shredded & smoking some of 1st pick, not bad,a very mild smoke, bit on dry side. Did mist leaves before shredding by hand with mix of honey/water/gin, cooked this for 1 min in microwave to burn off alcohol as I'm a none drinker, The rest of 1st pick I'v stored in polysterine box to hopefully cure to get better smoke, I'v got window open both ends of sleepout to create some air flow, dont' have humidifer or heater to make room humid, leaves dont look the best but guess in time they'll be OK smoke. Experimenting other ways to colour cure with some rubbish leaf. like; wrapping leaf in plastic bag, then wrap this up with tinfoil and wrap all in blanket, have some hanging under veranda of house, so test running lots of ways, I'm bit frustrated with leaf either drying off to quick, even with misting, before colouring, or not getting past the yellow stage. What you other growers think, I'm a lady pensioner who's pissed off with my ciggy's increasing all the time, hubby a real good gardener but Tobacco not in his expertise. Thanks Old Firm for your inform. site, it gave me confidence to get my own started, seeds were given to me but think my baccy is Viginia. Look forward to comments. Thanks You all.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I'm sorry for the slow response, Ciggy lover, however here goes now. It sounds like you have this curing thing pretty well sussed. I've found that the tobacco cures more slowly in a dark airy situation. Your misting with honey and spirits is spot on as they both preserve the baccy and honey will act as an absorbent to keep it moist. I suggest that you don't microwave things though as the alcohol will evaporate off naturally and any traces left should be gone in the heat of the embers when you light up. It will also help keep your ciggy burning. You live just up the road from me (Waihi) so if you wish, email me and I can pass on my phone no., or I could call you as I'm toll free to all the Waikato (Big Back Yard)

Regards,

TOF


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jiberish 6 years ago from florida

Old Firm, I can't believe you wrote this over two years ago and I just found it. Very nice info, I wish I had a garden. Great picture too!


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Ciggy Lover 6 years ago from Thames N.Z

Thanks Old Firm for your reply. Yea, I'v done a lot of research on this Baccy thing since I posted, so not overly concerned anymore about my effort. I now have a guage in sleepout to measure humidity & Temp. and seems the room isn't that far off what's recommended, the green leaves are slowly colouring up. I feel that maybe the leaves I'm having trouble with were inferior or inmature leaves so will proceed and see what it smokes like later on.From here on I wont microwave my mix, well, only to melt the honey in it a bit. My seedlings are up, very tiny at present though, so my next plants will be given tender loving care, re: suckers & de-budding, then my next harvest will be big huge leaves like you display, I didn't get a lot of leaves this time that were huge. you are semi close by, I'll email you, thanks.


metalhead 6 years ago

well done on the hub tof its given me a lot of useful info on growing baccy and will be doing so in the near future but does it matter too much about temp regulation when drying i live in a place that changes alot at any time


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi metalhead, I can't give you a definitive answer to that, but my old Dutch mate over the road dries it in an outside shed in all seasons and gets a good smokable product. The temp in that shed must vary from zip to 70C over the year; I guess it's not that critical.

Cheers.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Natasha I'm very sorry, I completely missed your post.

No problems growing tobacco all year round up where you are.

I suggest that you pick the flower heads of all but one of your plants (Just cut 'em off, top of stem and all). Use the remaining one for seed, you'll get thousands of them from the bunch of little flowers. Also cut out the small plants that come away in the leaf joints, they're a waste of space. (But if you stick them in the ground they'll grow, just like tomatoes do.)

Best wishes,

Peter.


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Granny's House 6 years ago from Older and Hopefully Wiser Time

Old Firm, what a fun and well written hub.I am a gardener and like anything to do with it. I will be back for more.I have rated up. I would also like to invite you to take a look at my hubs.I am following too!


............ 6 years ago

u could try a leaf grinder cost like $12 for a good one.from any grow and brew shop or pipe shop.


metalhead 6 years ago

i see earlier on in the page you were going to start a hub on brewing is that still a go??


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

It's still a go metalhead, I just haven't got around to it yet.

Cheers,

TOF


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romper20 6 years ago from California

Very interesting!!

Great 2 be following you :)


TAWFUNGUY 6 years ago

Hi there! Wow! Thank you so much for the wonderful information and in such detail! I have never been a smoker my whole life (about to turn 41 years old) and just 2 months ago a close friend of mine offered for me to try a cigar.... it was pleasant but... it wasn't until I tried a pipe that I fell in love! I am here in Northern California with a 1/4 acre back yard... will planting tobacco work here in this climate? Also, my favorite pipe tobacco has been Cherry as well as Walnut... how do I make those flavors? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Again, THANK YOU so much for having this site up!


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday romper20, good to meet you.

TAWFUNGUY: tobacco will grow pretty well anywhere, If I were in charge of regenerating life on Mars, I'd put tobacco 'way up my list of the first plants to start out in the open, drip-fed with wishy-washy water and fish farts.

In Northern Ca your problem won't be getting it to grow, it'll be holding it back!

I'm afraid that I can't help you with flavouring the stuff, but I suggest that you use a mister with a tincture of whatever flavour you'd like it to be like. Experiment, it's cheap.

An area the size of a living room will give the average heavy smoker enough tobacco to satisfy his craving for lung cancer, so your 1/4 acre will still let you grow your tobacco, and tomatoes; as well as stick in a trampoline, and have room for the BBQ.

BTW, if you're not hooked on smoking take it easy; like sniffing glue or having a pet crocodile it could rear up and bite you on the bum.

Best wishes,

TOF


TAWFUNGUY 6 years ago

TOF,

Thank you! I have to say that your humor is very refreshing and I love the guidance and such you give.... not only to me but to everyone else!

As I mentioned, I am fairly new to the whole tobacco thing. A T-Virgin so to speak. I never smoked in my life, tobacco or even "Whacky-Tabaccy".... so this has been a new experience to say the least. I definitely am taking it very easy though... I have to occasional cigar with my friend when we go to visit him and his wife but I find myself enjoying a nice vintage estate pipe with a cherry flavored tobacco, but, I only do that maybe 2-3 times a week.

I will give your suggestions a shot.... I hope to order seeds this week and get to planing! I thinking I am also going to experiment with enclosed evaporation for flavoring. When the leaves are done curing and cut, then I will place the in a Tupperware (so sad that I am admitting I have them.... and they are the originals from the 70's) container with a small bowl of my flavored water.... we shall see how it goes!

Thanks again TOF!!


philpy 6 years ago

bloody good mate.im sicka dis tax shit so im growing my own baccy.thanx 4 da addvice bro.


6 years ago

thanks guy. mississippi we give it a try


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

philpy and c, thanks for the good words guys.


FB Siphon 6 years ago

Great post thanks for sharing.


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equealla 6 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

I saw the forbidden, and took a peek, on this hub.

I returned to S.A. after being in rural, dark Africa for too many years to remember. At my homecomeing I found a lot of subtle and not so subtle things have changed.

The first thing I was informed about was " Here in the new S.A. you may steal, you may hi-jack, you may kill, you may do a lot of things. It's a free country now. BUT, one thing is forbidden: NEVER EVER SMOKE!"

So, I read your article.

I found it amusing and entertaining and thought about a zillion commentS I could make, all in different perspectives.

To my biggest surprise I actually found something totally unexpected. I found myself in a cigar lounge,(you know, those old-fashioned cosy rooms for smoking), overhearing a lot of friendly chittety-chat, (like it used to be in that old cosy rooms for smoking)

I realised you managed to get the smokers and non smokers to enter in the same place, and actually tolerate each other - all in a place of Tobacco.

You are a real smart guy!

(By the way, a few dill plants amongst your cabbage, will keep those pests at bay)


eserof 6 years ago

Greetings from the oil-soaked shores on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. I am having to find ways to distract myself from the dire straits we are experiencing with this worst ever oil-spill, since it has totally ruined our fishing/tourism industries, both thriving and vibrant 66 days ago. My government is a cadre of bonafide idiots, Obama being its Chief, surrounded by nothing but cronies and bureaucrats. BP is purely saturated in greed and seeking shortcuts and profit over human safety, and so..........

Anyway..........distract me please! My best friend, a loving chewer of tobacco his whole life, subsists on a limited income and has threatened for some time to give up his chewing for good, since store prices for "plug" go up weekly. If he weren't such a good chap in all regards, I'd prefer he quit, but he has no virtues no vices, so what's the poor fellow to do?! Right? He is thus far having good success with growing his tobacco next to his tomatoes, but has no idea how to cure/process the harvested leaves to make a "good chew." I promised I would go on-line and take a look-see, (he has yet to own a cell phone, much less a PC/Internet.) and behold--your hub rich with info. and humor (or "humour" form your lexicon). It's nice to finally meet my first ever "kiwi." I have threatened my wife numerous times with a sudden pull-up, to chase a dream and some peace from the fracas that has become my beloved America; and we have narrowed our pick to be either the Highlands of Bonnie Scotland, or the unvarnished hills of your own beloved New Zealand. In reality, we'll stay put, but as I said we're dreamers. I look forward to hearing back kind Sir. How about our US efforts in the World Cup? We are beyond elation with our results thus far, and are anxiously awaiting our match with Ghana this Saturday. Smiles........Deb and Eddie


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

This reply is an inadequate answer to the three remarkably nice people who've posted to me in the last few days.

FB Siphon; I hope that you gained from this. The intention was to remove a lot of the bullshit and jelly-beans from something most of us can have a hack at with reasonable success.

equalla, an irreverent if not totally irrelevant comment is the reply of a very nice young lady to a questionnaire over sex which asked (along the way) "Do you smoke after intercourse?" She replied "I've never looked."

Anyway here in Godzone you can't smoke in any building in which people are employed - including bars, so our drunks can damage their livers to their hearts content, but the publican can be heavily fined and closed for a period if they light up inside his bar (or foyer, or games room, or bog) Women are privileged- to show that men aren't, and anyone with even the slightest amount of Polynesian heritage has rights and privileges denied the rest of the populace.

I make these observations to show that SA is not unique in it's manipulations. All governments hound and harry their voters over unnecessary matters to distract them from their (directed,I think) aim of financial enslavery. Some may not know that's what they are doing, most don't care . As long as they're getting the bribes and backhanders- I'm sorry, political incentives - offered for their duplicity, to Hell with the voter. Grow your tobacco if you can legally old mate, dry it, experiment, have fun.

Cheers,

TOF

eserof: Hey Deb and Eddy, read my comments above and you'll see my views on the political arena.

Anyway, about your friend and his plug tobacco: I remember reading years ago in a local rag about an old bloke who grew his own tobacco and made a "real beaut" plug like this - After his leaves had dried he cut the ribs out, dampened the leaves with a flavouring mix, probably honey and a spirit as they both are preservatives, found a block of wood (dry, I would guess so that it's saps wouldn't taint his plug, drilled about 1/2 -1 inch holes in it 2-3 inches deep and rammed the treated leaves into these holes. He then drove wooden plugs into the holes to really pack them and seal off the air. Six months or a year later he spit open the wood with an axe and had his plugs of baccy, which he shaved slivers of with a sharp knife to use.

That's about as low-tec as you can get, and it sure as hell worked. He was then in his seventies and had been doing it for years!

Nice to here from you,

TOF


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equealla 6 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

You did it again. You gave me another laugh. And yes, unfortunately politics is ever as debatable as allways.

Have a lovely day.


Karen from Canada 6 years ago

Thank you so much for the great info. I,m growing for the first time and just hung the bottom leaves to dry. Yep, I found out through you that 3 or 4 leaves tied together (as if they're herbs) won't quite do it. Easy to understand and fun to read with your sense of humour. Thanks again!


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Karen and good luck with your growing.

Cheers,

TOF


Busman 6 years ago

Hi TOF just had the good fortune to find you while looking for tobacco curing info, what a bonus to find humour as well. I live on the south coast of the UK nr Worthing. Started growing tobacco this year, it certainly loves this climate, it has grown so well that my plan to hide it in the wifes flower borders didn't work, she has the strange idea that they should contain flowers. I have started cropping and curing like mad, it looks like the taxman isn't going to do as well this year, how sad!!. While I was out today at a craft shop with my wife I came across a pair of scissors that instead of one blade had nine side by side and about three millimetres apart, must be for cutting thin strips of paper, anyway I bought them and tried them for shredding tobacco, excellent!! Just thought I would pass it on. Thanks for an excellent site.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Busman, thanks for the tip about the scissors, they sound perfect for the job, I'll keep an eye out for a set here "Down Under".

Your climate is probably rather similar to mine,- Near coastal, temperate.

Cheers,

TOF


Mikeyb 6 years ago

Hi, great thread and so far away yet you feel just around the corner, strange that. a question if I maybe so bold, I have a splendid specimen of nicotiana sylvestris Can I cure the leaves of this plant and can it be smoked by one of my smoking buddys.


pfr 6 years ago

Got three plants but none very large yet - still a month or two to go.

Former smoker of the commercial variety - can't wait to try my own. I think I'll be proud just to say I grew it myself.

Had some home grown in Quebec, from a tree planter. It was pretty good.


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Mikeyb,

G'day there. I've had no experience of N Silvestris, (evening scented stock) however Wiki' says that it's probably the parent of modern tobacco, N Tobacum, and a local seller says that it's smokable, hinting that it's rather mild. Here's the link: http://www.mindfuel.co.nz/index.php?main_page=prod...

If you try it I'd suggest that you only smoke a puff or two at first and then wait for a day in case of side effects.

Cheers,

TOF


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi pfr, thanks for the comments. Busman (above) says that you can buy multi-bladed scissors in craft shops which should be ideal for shredding your dried leaves.

Cheers.


WeedHawaii 6 years ago

I've managed to rid myself of bird mites with tobacco leaves. Anyone use tobacco for other little pesties??

I know there are other uses--I've even heard it's the original source when in the early 1900's they found tobacco to be the original source of complete B vitamins--also that Native American's put a little dried tobacco in their cooked squash and beans to keep the 'bad spirits' away, and always carried a small leather pouch around their necks with a little tobacco in it. It was their most sacred plant...probably for reasons unknown, possibly never--since most of the ancient people who carried the knowledge were probably wiped out taking all their secrets with them. Who knows?


Newfoundland out of season 6 years ago

nice

i hope to grow some tobacco under lights, i missed the short summer which would have been of great benefit i'm sure. i dont think newfoundland is the ideal place for tobacco!!!!!!


electronic cigarette 6 years ago

I will give your suggestions a shot.... I hope to order seeds this week and get to planing! I thinking I am also going to experiment with enclosed evaporation for flavoring. When the leaves are done curing and cut, then I will place the in a Tupperware (so sad that I am admitting I have them.... and they are the originals from the 70's) container with a small bowl of my flavored water we shall see how it goes!


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gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

Great hub and happy to meet you. Will rate and be back


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi all,sorry for the delay in replying to you all.

WeedHawaii:My stepfather used to soak old cigarette butts in a bucket of water for a week or so and spray the resultant fluid on his vegetables to kill the bugs. it seemed to work OK.

Newfoundland...Good luck, tobacco's very hardy though, let me know how you go, please.

e.c. I did night security in the local tupperware factory back in the eighties, which rather dates me too. That flavouring sounds a good idea.

gr82, thanks for the thumbs up m8.

Regards,

TOF


Kim 6 years ago

Thanks for the information on curing. You are right. Most articles make it sound very difficult.

Just wanted to mention that I use 4" pipes with water running through them to grow my plants. Just takes a bucket of water, that I feed, a pump, 4" PVC, and a 2" drill bit. Don't have much space or good soil where I live.

Hey, is there anything that can be done with the stalk of the plant? Waist not want not you know. Should I dry it, or boil it? Is there any nicotene in there?

Thanks again,

Kim


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Kim,

Hydroponic tobacco sounds enterprising.

I'm afraid that the only use that I've found for the stalk is to cut it up and burn it on the fire,- and it's not even very good there!

Regards,

TOF


Velma 6 years ago

hello! I recently cut my tobacco plants to hang and just left the pots outside and ignored. A few weeks later I noticed new growth on the stub of plants left in the pots! I brought them back indoors and thought I'd see what happens. Has anyone else tried this?


Dr Les. Bowdrey 6 years ago

Good on ya. Very informative website. Just got to try and cure the leaves in my shed during an English winter.


helema 6 years ago

I am growing nicotina rustica (ehem yes i know its the strongest out there) and i have some nice plants goin!!! fun thing is that it stays in the 60s and 70s here in fl till late december most years!! hehe so i can stagger my crop. i also did it two ways to see how it would go. i scattered some in pots outside and planted some in old egg n strawberry containers. the ones outside are growing faster an dstronger than the ones inside!! so umm im thinkin o ftossing the other containers outside in awarm spot and gradually raising the amount of time in the sun!! Im love your hub its so original and so creative! by the way i smoke a medwakh which takes very finely cut tobbacco AND i have a processor...alon gwith very lil patience, so i like you will be chupping them in my processor!!


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attemptedhumour 6 years ago from Australia

Now old firm i've got a bone to pick with you. You have an immense talent in the humorous writing dept' but you've only written two, yes TWO hubs in the last two years. Admittedly you've had about twenty thousand responses but as a non smoker this hub isn't a great help to me apart from giving me a laugh at your eccentric way with words. So take those feet off the table, put the fag in the ashtray and write another hub now please. Yours expectantly sir keith


Dippa from Victoria Australia 6 years ago

Good info from everyone. always good to read and learn the easy way from others


Willis 6 years ago

Hi there. Is there anywhere in New Zealand that I could buy whole tobacco leaf? Need it as a prop for a TV program set in the 1850's. Has to be legal too! Many thanks


dunksmom 6 years ago

I live in FL so this spring I am hoping to start growing my own for the first time. I have a large family with many smokers who are eager to help so we can all enjoy.My mother is loaning us an acre of her land to use. My only question is this: Of all the research I've done, most say to put the tobacco in a kiln of some type after color curing. Does this speed up the process or do something to the flavor that simple air drying and time doesn't do? I believe we will have two or three crops with our long growing season, so if all we have to do is air cure like you say, we could all be set for a long time with less money if we don't have to build a kiln. Thanks for a great informative site.


Ben 6 years ago

Hey Willis, wherabouts in NZ are you? you still tryna track some down? I could maybe help you out. If so get hold of me at bensdabomb29@hotmail.com, Im in Tauranga


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks all for the comments over the past few weeks. I've been upgrading my computers and have had a few problems, so haven't been checking emails and the hub for a while (about 800 emails to clear, most are Hubpage notifications)

Ben: Thanks for the offer of help for Willis.

Dunksmom: Try simple air drying. My mates smoke it after three months, and seem to like it. If the leaves get too dry, give them a light spray with a garden mister before attempting to shred them.

Regards all,

TOF


broomhandlemauser 6 years ago

I live in France and-naughty me -pinched a few leaves of 'baccy from a local fartmer's crop .A French friend and I then started to look for virgins because cigars ,we were told, must be rolled on the thighs of Cuban virgins .We thought French ones might do but we ain't had no luck ! Gonna grow our own now !Baccy-not virgins .


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The Old Firm 6 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi broom...,"A dusky maiden's thigh" was the approved site, I was told. - And the definition of a virgin was the ugliest girl in primer three! If President Clinton had to make do with a "part used, serviceable" Pole I don't think much of your chances of finding the real McCoy in France, which is world renowned for its juvenile enthusiasm. (Bless 'em all)

I like your description of your local agriculturalist.

Cheers mate.

TOF


helema 6 years ago

It is now december and my nicotina rustica plants have trippled in size over the past few weeks!! its cold outside and they are growing so rapidly!! i just dried a few branches for a few days and smoked them....they give a nice buzz but tend to burn faster so imma do a daily myst and air cure method (lightly misting the leaves once a day in th ewarmest part of the day to keep them from drying too fast a bit of lemon juice or apple cider vinager can be added to keep down the mold) and then i might soak the leaves in a reduced syrup or just lightly spritz them with it and let them dry again... i hear the lemon spray helps to flavor without the need for syrup and the cureing time is cut in half! By the way i do live in north florida and the strain i am growing is actually the wildest strain you can get without searching in the woods for it! its also the strongest smokeable tobbacco! :D as for the person in fl looking to grow it be careful of the variety and what you give to anyone. we can only give unprocessed items and seeds as well as live plants away or sell them without needing to pay taxes. also they can fine you for selling the processed stuff or giving it away if they catch you doing it. how ya think the gov will make their robbers fees if we all start growing our own? if anyone asks your tobacco is medicinal for personal use!


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi helema, thanks for the good information.It seems that you have this tobacco growing lark sussed out pretty well, I like the lemon spray idea.

We've similar laws to you here in New Zealand - we can grow tobacco for our own use but mustn't sell it or gift it, the same as brewing beer or distilling spirits.

Cheers,

TOF


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lxxy 5 years ago from Beneath, Between, Beyond

Hey,

Not only is this useful--it's plenty funny and engaging.

Awesome sauce.

I'll have to look into this further.


helema 5 years ago

@The Old Firm i live in a humid climate so i have to use the lemon spray when i cure so i dont get mold and on the dry days (yes gosh dern it we do have dry days) it helps keep them moist! i did smoke green tobbacco (dried a few days without the cureing method from 2 inch plants) and once i got past the taste and fast burn rate i was truly pleased!! so in a pinch one could dry some in aquick dry method and smoke it for the medicinal properties! teehee shhhh the variety i have makes one walked like a drunken person if ya get up too quickly! By the way they are all find and in an old fish take (3 in my worm bed as an experiment) with a top made of a plastic bag side and tape to form a lid and boxes (i used priority shipping boxes.. they are free AND taller than the tank) and a couple large yard bags cut at the bottom to open them flat and then stuffed between the tank and the boxes that were taped together (open top n bottom) and they are doing just fine! ill have a good amount to harvest come spring!! and ill be grinning like a cheshire cat at the ones that are just planting theirs while im cureing mine!!


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Ixxy, helema.

I'm just off to Christmas dinner, Merry Christmas to all.

TOF


dkh2 5 years ago

I have grown some tobacco too. 5 plants as an experiment

and I'm going to around 50 next season I learned a lot from

a web site called "How to grow tobacco"


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

dkh2, Good on you sport. Best of luck and a Happy New year.

TOF


Ngaire 5 years ago

Happy new year!Would love to chat could you text me yr phone number happy to call would like to talk about tobacco growing.thanks.0274624638


David 5 years ago

dude great advise, im starting to grow now,i have made a hot house,dose it really take 3 months to cure and dry? if u could get back to me on allansdg@gmail.com gheers, hope to hear frm u soon.


FarmerJay 5 years ago

Cheers for the insight on how to grow. I put a couple of seedlings down a month ago and they looking good. Thanx.


ripple 5 years ago

got a great recipe for chew'n tobbaco


RevKev 5 years ago

Gidday Mate I'm a fellow countryman from the south! I found your site inspiring & simple when I first started growing. Just harvested my first crop, put in 40 plants of Virginia & Burly mix! It was a lot easier than I first anticipated and they are coloring up nicely at the mo Ive already been able to smoke some of the earlier pickings. Fantastic smoke mate, much nicer than commercial blends and heaps easier on the pocket!!! All the best to you ad thanks for the help - Kev (the Rev) South Cant.


Deri Pharmer 5 years ago

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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Holy Moses, I don't check this Hub for a few days and messages galore!

FarmerJay: Sounds good, the plants should take off with their growth any time now.

ripple:Cheers mate.

RevKev: I'm a Mainlander too mate, good to hear that your crops doing well. Forty plants should keep you well stocked.

It is easy isn't it?

Good smoking mate.

Deri Pharmer: I fully agree.

Cheers all, thanks for your posts


Stuart 5 years ago

You should be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Or anywhere else come to that. Here is a man who cuts the crap, tells you how to do it without a lot of fuss and makes you chuckle with him along the way. Do you get the UK show 'Top Gear' down there? You and Jeremy Clarkson would make an iresistable team...

I live in Greece. Loads of sunshine, and I will put your

words into practise as soon as I can find some seed.

I have quite a few Kiwis as customers come along on my little adventures aroud the island where I live, and they are, without exception (so far) some of the most likeable, civilise, down to earth and broad-minded folk I have come across. Good on you mate and your countrymen...and women, of course!

All the best

Stuart


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday Stuart,

Thanks for the comments mate, and the comparison with Jeremy Clarkson. I'm suitably embarrassed.

Good luck with your growing, seeds shouldn't be a problem, some garden centers sell them as ornamentals, and I know that you can get them in the UK.

If you really strike obstructions email me and I'll post you some.

Cheers,

Peter


nathan 5 years ago

hey how long does it take for a tobacco seed to germinate?


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi nathan,

about two weeks from planting to germination is a good rule of thumb, but it could take longer in cool weather. Keep the seed bed damp (but not wet), and warm.

Regards.


cshellz 5 years ago

Love the informative site, thank you. First timer for growing tobacco and I lucked out to your site. It's just starting into spring in the northwest of the States so I'm starting mine this week in the greenhouse along with the tomatoes, peppers and etc :)


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday cshellz,

good to hear from you.Best of luck with your tobacco, you should have fun growing it.

Cheers,

TOF


Ron  5 years ago

Hi TOF

Thanks for a great site. I discovered it quite a while ago and was suitably inspired to grow my own tobacco partly as a hobby and partly because our health nazi govt here in OZ has whacked up the tax to such an extent that a 50 gram pack of rolling tobacco is over $30!!!

Anyhow, about 3 months ago I got hold of some seeds from someone I met who also gave me some excess plants he had, around 50. They were only small, about 2-3 inches high. I planted them but unfortunately up here in S E Queensland we then had the wettest spring and summer.So what the pests didn't get(little green grubs) the rain drowned. No matter, I considered it an experimental planting anyhow as it was a bit late in the year(late November?), or was it, do you think?This year I will plant my seeds in say June or July inside so they will be ready to go early in the spring.

cheers and thanks for the great site Ron


McGoo 5 years ago

have a good crop of 20 plants growing since I came across this site, bit late planting out not until early January N.Z but really away now. Might try the Lemon when drying as very damp here (Taumarunui) in the winter with a lot of fog so guessing mould could be a problem.So pleased to come across the site and waiting for an update on the women bit or have you given up.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Ron.

Planting tobacco after Christmas still allows you to get a mature crop before winter. You may also get a crop from as late as now where you are, Brizzy way. You've nothing to loose but your smoker's cough mate.

Cheers.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday McGoo,

Wot, Taumarunui on the Main Trunk Line? I remember getting Railway tea in thick walled cups and doubtful pies at some ungodly hour of the night, while traveling second class on the rattler back in my youth.

If you dry in the garage, or even the attic space, dampness shouldn't be too much of a bother.

- The women bit? No, I haven't given up but they may have. The wallet is still deplorably thin.- It detracts from my natural beauty no end!

Cheers,

TOF


Bentok 5 years ago

I decided to grow my own tobacco and this is by far the best tutorial I have found. It's nearing the end of Winter here and my seeds just arrive. I can't wait!

If I dissolve honey in a bit of scotch or brandy as I process the cured tobacco for pipe smoking, would this essentially be the equivalent of buying an "aromatic" tobacco at the pipe shop?

Thanks for the guide!


Old Turk 5 years ago

Nicotine is vitamin B3 - It dilates all fluid vessels in the body, allowing waste to get out and good nutrition to get in. It is an alkaloid so helps neutralize an acid system. This means it improves our immune system and protects the body from many diseases. We have nicotine receptors in our brain, and become more focused in thinking and greater relaxation occurs. Some even claim it increases our intelligence and creativity skills.

Keep up the good garden and best of health to ya all !


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Bentok, thanks for the comment. Yes that will both add flavour and help preserve the tobacco. It should also help it stay alight.

Experiment, you won't be paying a fortune an oz. for it any more .

Good growing and have fun.

Old Turk,thanks for that information.

Best wishes.

TOF


Jitendra Chand 5 years ago

I hereby submit my application to work in your farm for picking tobacco leaves if given an opportunity.

My email address is chandjitendra@yahoo.com.

Thank you.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Jitendra, sorry for the delay in replying; my farm is of course (as I wrote in my profile) quite extensive, measuring 10metres by 6metres,inclusive of recreation space and the barbeque, but not counting dwelling, garaging and workshop, and you're of course very welcome to help harvest the dozen or so plants that I sometimes grow. The pay is lousy.

Cheers mate,

TOF


freeisgood 5 years ago

Cheers TOF and Kingsseeds! Humour and cash saved. Nice One


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks freeisgood, good growing my friend.

TOF


dylan 5 years ago

hey couple questions ,what part of nz dfo you live in?, im down south in invercargill haha, im getting some "ready" leafs droped off to me in a couple days, and just been doing some reserch on what to do once i get them would hanging them in a wordrobe work? and spraying them once every so often with some kind of alcohol for a while till they look about riught and then cut them up ???


McGoo 5 years ago

Plants really away now and have just pinched out some seed heads.Will give the garage a try for drying the car can go out,she won't have to wash it when it rains so not just cheap baccy maybe some brownie points as well

(me thinks probably not) but hell dreams are free


Audient 5 years ago

Great hub. Everything I was looking for except: can i grow some Latakia on my balcony in NYC?


Dave 5 years ago

I live in the US. and sadly the economy has gone in the tolet. gas is on the rise as is food and other things. i was thinking of growing my own tobaco for a few years now. but alot of reading has made me think it was a hard thing to do. i smoke camel wide ciggs and am somwhat picky as to the type i smoke although beggers cannot be chosers. the wife got me some rool your own pipe tobaco and i dont really care for it. i guess i am asking if there is a way to grow it with more of the cig flavor rather than pipe or cigar.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

dylan, G'day I'm in the Bay of Plenty. Drying should be OK in a wardrobe, spaying with alcohol should enhance you weed, Cheers.

McGoo, hang the baccy high in the garage and the car should fit underneath OK. (4ft 6in high car, 8ft stud,= 3ft 6in to hang leaf) Just don't have it too near the exhaust, or decide to tune the engine inside while it's drying, - could give the weed a funny taste. Cheers.

Hi Audent, as Latakia is made by the curing process, which involves smoke from a stonewood or oak fire, you may have problems on a NY balcony. THe actual growing should be OK. Start the plants indoors in Spring and transplant into separate large pots (like 18in diameter or bigger, and deep) Stick them in a sunny spot, keep them watered, with a bit of fertiliser occasionally and treat them as shown in the article. No hassle.

Good luck.

Hi Dave, the strength of flavour depends a lot on the type of tobacco that you grow, so I guess that you have to try to get a milder cigarette variety. I use Golden Newt, but you'll have to find what you can where you live. Give the flower seed merchants a try as tobacco is also grown as an ornamental, and it's exactly the same as the smoking stuff.

If you Google "tobacco seeds" (I just did!) you'll find an abundance of local suppliers, and they tell you which varieties are good for what.

Best wishes.

TOF


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Audient,please read "stone pine or oak wood" in my above reply.

Cheers,

TOF


dylan 5 years ago

awsome thank you, i have got them piged up on some string in my wardrobe ,there fress of the pland as of yesterday so il keep you posted, and il let you know if any problems i incounter thanks dylan


dylan 5 years ago

just cheaked on leaves, and theres like sandfly size bugs on the things grrr, so currently they are out of the wardrobe and right next to me by the computer hanging haha ,how often should i spray them?

thanks


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi dylan, sorry, I can't answer that one, I've never had any bug problems. You must have the Shadbolt bug (imported from West Auckland)

Cheers.

TOF


des 5 years ago

Is there any out there who can supply me with tobacco , I live in new south wales , australia and the price of smokes here has gone through the roof , I have been smoking rollies for some time now . I am on a pension and the price of tobacco keeps going up and I smoke like a train , so if there is anyone who can help me ( I don't mind paying )I can be contacted on lowe.des@gmail.com

thanks

Des


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Des, I've emailed you three possible contacts,

Cheers.

TOF


dylan 5 years ago

hello , have got leaves hanging in sunroom ,since it is alot warmer, but im not sure but i think mold is growing ... what dose mold look like at early stages?


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'day dylan, if it looks like mold it probably is. Don't panic. give the leaves a wipe down. Read helema's comment from three months ago, above. She mists with lemon juice or apple cider vinegar added to her misting water to keep down the mold. Try cleaning the leaves with either of these, or a little alcohol (like vodka) to remove mold traces.

Cheers,

TOF


dylan 5 years ago

hello,i wiped them down with peach achers(vodka) and then next day most of them are brown, i didnt thing they would dry up soo quick,i have just made up some lemon and water to spray them with every day.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi dylan. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you'll end up with some good 'baccy, let me know how it goes please.

Cheers.


Ken 5 years ago

Fun read,lots of great information. Thanks!


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks Ken,

TOF


paul 5 years ago

Hello i was wouldering what is the best way to dry? buy single leaf or whole plant? i thought whole plant may dry slower and give a more cured finish. but on the other hand all leaves wouldnt be matureat the same time


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi paul, have another look at my section on drying and curing. You can do a few leaves at a time, or all the larger leaves at once (and smaller for that matter, just more fiddly) If you do the whole plant it is better to strip the leaves from the stem and hang them from a rod or wire as described.

Hope that this helped.

TOF


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Freya Cesare 5 years ago from Borneo Island, Indonesia

You really have great sense of humour. Please write more.

My grand father was planted Tobacco for sale. He had big plantation of tobacco somewhere out there where he and his second wife was live together, during his broke up with my grand mother. But then, after a decade, he decided to leave all of his glory as the king of Tobacco to be able to came home to My grand mother and their children, brought a boat full of tobacco for 1 years supply and made the whole house smell like cigarette factory.

Somehow for me, it is proven that at the end of man's journey, even tobacco and glory no longer irresistible but to be around his big family (he didn't had a child with his mistress).

Ah, I am rambling again. Sorry, Sir. ^^

Have a nice day, Sir.


McGoo 5 years ago

Great results with the tobacco 2 months drying and is great to smoke, getting damp here now and will start the lemon treatment as still worried about mould as can have 2 or 3 days of continuos fog. Think a homemade kiln could be the real answer and will have to do a bit off study along those lines for next years crop. Smoke around 80 grams a week and a bit light on plants this year probably need to be growing around 40 plants for my own use so looks like it's goodbye to her bloody flower gardens next year


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'day McGoo, good on you, thanks for keeping me posted on your progress.

TOF


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Damned thing dumped half my reply!

The rest said- "Better keep onside with Her Indoors though, growing a row of baccy as a border backing is a reasonable compromise. Of course if she smokes - no problems."

Cheers.


dylan 5 years ago

hey guys, ok iv been spraying my leaves with lemon water for the past month or more and now they have turned a pale white yellowy colour, im just asking if this is another stage the curing process has to go throught to cure it or what im abit lost right now ?

Thanks


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'day dylan. Sorry for the long delay in replying, I've been buggering about with a stink boat the last few days.

Lemon juice is a bleach as any fifties or sixties surfy will no doubt tell you, so what you now have is most probably albino tobacco. It should still be fine. A well cured 'bacci is often more of a golden or gold/brown colour but who cares? Next time round try adding a bit more water to your lemon mist and perhaps mist a little less frequently - just a guess.

Best of luck,

TOF


Mohammad 5 years ago

Dear sir.

I need air dry tobacco with green colour.

If you can produce please send email for me.

Thanks.

Mohammad.

email : botlani@email.com


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I'm sorry Mohammad, I am allowed to grow as much tobacco as I like for my own use but I'm not permitted to sell or gift it. Also the air dried tobacco that I produce is a gold or brown colour; I do not know of any way to dry it green.

Best wishes,

TOF.


dylan 5 years ago

thanks , i mixed the lemon with some water but must not have been enouph il try smoke some more later iin the week, what kind of boat do you have ,might be able to help in some way or another, since i work at stabicraft...


theprototype 5 years ago

An excellent Hub. I love your style and approach to life.

Having spent the past 30 years or so paying 90% of my income in tax on booze and fags then I decided enough was enough. Some people might say just give them up - but the last thing I am is a quitter(I did manage to stop smoking for a few weeks once using nicotine gum and patches but in the end I managed to justify going back to real cigarettes because they were organic).

Any road, the worm has turned and I'm not going to give all my money to governments and big corporations any more so the only option was brewing my own wine and growing my own baccy. I've already started with the wine (hic) and thanks to your hub have ordered some tobacco seeds today.

In these times of imminent financial collapse and approaching the final curtain of an ideologically bankrupt and meaningless consumer society, I think we all need to start such self-producing mini-revolutions and to own and become the means of our own productions in every possible sense.

Thanks for all your efforts.

Regards

Simon


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the offer dylan. it's an old Hartly hull I think, - 14'6" glass over ply and in pretty good nick. I'm going to extend the cabin back about half way, put in bunk seats forward and locker seats aft; a paint job and find a 10-15 horse outboard locally. I've put the word out and all's under control at the moment.

Cheers'

Peter.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Simon, I'm with you mate; made a still a couple of months back and am turning out my own hooch. (My second still, I made one about 12 years ago and made a renowned brew for about four years with it.) I've a few bugs to iron out of this one yet, I've been using a stainless pipe as a condenser and there's a slight taint to the spirit so I'm reverting to copper, it clears any sulphur from the condensate.

Regards,

Peter.


auntyPix 5 years ago

hi, i read most of 2 years ago then skimmed right to the bottom, so i have probably missed what i was looking for, which is, where here in nz do i get whatever it is that makes mentholated tobacco from the raw product?


gary uk 5 years ago

Hi old firm

I had a dream,No not that one,it was last night i woke in a sweat dreaming that my pound notes had turned into baccy leaves,so this morning i looked on the net to see if i could grow baccy in uk, the first site i clicked on was yours and have been reading all morning,

What a hoot but also informative it has inspired me to buy some seeds and will be growing next year.Thank you.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'day gary uk, pleased to be of help - good luck.

TOF


Blu cigs coupon code 5 years ago

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Daniel 5 years ago

Hey,

Many thanks for sharing your story with us, it was a great reading. By the way, congratulations for all your hard work!

Daniel

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3 crows 5 years ago

I'm in the Great Northwest, USA. This was my first time growing tobacco. Had about 16 plants about 4 to 5 inches tall before I put them out in the greenhouse. Tree days later I only had 5. Slugs ate them completely. I put slug bait around the 5 survivors and again when I put them out in the garden, so that is my crop. I planted some more that are now 6 to 8 inches tall now but whether they will winter over is something I will find out. I'll bring them back in the house as soon as the weather starts getting cold and see what happens.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thank you Daniel.

3 crows; That was bad luck With your plants. Tobacco's pretty hardy so it should winter over indoors with no problems although the plants may be a bit small by next spring.

Good luck,

TOF


ben 5 years ago

thanks for all the great info


wildbill 5 years ago

Iteresting tidbit. I grow about 80 plants which equals 15-17 U.S. pounds. This in turn equates to about 40 ten pack cartons. Now, if this same amount is used for commercial production by one the leading makers, they will get about 90. Ever wonder what you are smoking?

My main growing advantage is that I live in Va. and the curing process is really about humidity and here it is natural.


wildbill 5 years ago

To: TOF

This a very interesting site, full of comment and you have great wit. I did not have time yesterday to read through the comments, but did so today.

Information that seems to missing (or I missed it)

A word to the wise: Nicotiana can be POISONOUS and if YOU DO NOT smoke, handling leaves when wet is dangerous.

Nicotine, like arsenic builds in the human system and smokers build resistance. ONE drop of pure nicotine will kill, smokers included. This is not b.s. as picking when wet has sent migrant workers to the hospital.(wear rubber kitchen gloves-recommended) I also see nothing regarding the step between picking/priming (leaf picking) and hanging. I don't know about you, but I don't like spiders/bugs/birdy doo/dirt, etc., so I wash all leaves. Best way I have found to date is to pick, leave in sun for a half hour or so (leaves get limp), place in wheel barrow (with some water in it)and carefully swish around follwed by putting each leaf on the front sloped part and spray wash with a garden hose. Use a small stool or something akin to sit on or you will get back aches.

As you have said, tobacco will grow anywhere (but not antartica), but it will be a case of quality and it is too cold,hot, or dry - quality will suffer. In the comments there is quite a bit on other garden plants but I don't see tobacco specifics relating to them. Backy is a nightshade, along with peppers and tomatoes. Don't interplant as they share common diseases. Don't even plant close, if it can be avoided. Don't plant mixed backy varieties if you want to collect seed as it hybredridizes easier than peppers. (Ok if you want to play - you get to guess) Tobacco seed has a long life span and if one has collected seed and wants to "top" all of your future plants, keep seed in a sealed plastic back and put in freezer. Life span is now indefinite.

If you plant backy in the same place for more than two years, better rely on fertilizer as it is a big feeder and sucks soil nutrients. Don't plant other nightshades in the backy space for one year if doing crop rotation.

The nicotine levels change with leaf position - lower is lower and it increases up (vertical) the plant. Topping when the seed/flower stalk (removing) shows will put plant energy into leaves and you can top at any point from 12-24 leaves. I stop at 16-18 as it gets to strong above this level and makes about 3-4 oz dried per plant.

Additionally - all thumpers (stills) are illegal in the U.S.and a mason jar mecca was just busted in an adjacent county on Mon. However, you can make wine/beer, just don't sell it.

Great hub and I hope I have made a contribution to the cause.

More trivia:

KIng James of England way back in time outlawed tobacco use (the Kink did not smoke) anyway, after a couple of months he reversed this rule. Turns out that the royal treasury missed the tax revenue.

The U.S.government collects a lot of tax from tobacco because they have to use this money to offset tobacco related illness. Actually only about 10% gets used for this purpose, the rest is mostly for social programs.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks wildbill for your input, all good info' and gratefully received.

Here in NZ we can distil legally, same rules as for wine, beer and tobacco: just don't sell, barter or gift it, and I'll be running about four US gallons off later on today from my homebuilt still.

Cheers,

TOF


jeremy 5 years ago

Many thanks from your friends here in the US. Great down to earth, practical information.


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi jeremy, glad to be of help.

TOF


Rima 5 years ago

I think you are amazing, thank you for giving us all these tips. I am sick of paying through the nose for cigarettes that are full of chemicals. I just want my own little batch for myself, and I might try doing my first batch in port. thankyou again.


Nizaguy-Chicago 5 years ago

Great read - nice hub! If you want the ecconomical benefits of growing your own, but don't have the time or space; check out American Personal Consumption Tobacco Growers Association. www.apctga.com. Letters from the US Treasury, Alcohol & Tobacco Tax and Trade bureau are there. One leases farmland and receives his/her own harvest - no 'sale' of the tobacco! interesting concept.


Nigel 5 years ago

Thanks for the great info,I'm in the Bay Of Plenty so growing conditions should be ideal.

I have a problem, my plants have reached about 2 feet high

and have already started to flower. The leaves are still quite small. Do I rip them out and start again?


Ian 5 years ago

Really interesting article, very entertaining to boot! thanks for taking the time and effort to post this! UK


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Jimmy Jangles 5 years ago from Warner Springs, California

Thanks for such a great education with the humor attached. So, much fun to read. I'm in So. California and my tobacco is ready to pick. Found this comedy show just in time. Keep up the great writing, please. Kind regards, Jimmy


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi all, sorry for the slow reply.

Nigel, you're just down the road. now's a good time to start seedlings, or plant out if you already have them. The leaves of your small plants are usable if you want, or you can wait a bit and the flowers will turn into seed pods giving you literally thousands of seeds for later. You can plant in January and still get a good crop.

Rima

Nizaguy

Ian

Jimmy Jangles

Thank you all for visiting and the great comments.

Cheers,

TOF.


Mike in the UK 5 years ago

Having followed the guide lines on here to grow some dark virginia here in the west of England, I thought I should at least contribute somthing. The leaf dries OK in the UK but getting the heat / moisture right to cure and age it is a problem. A short cut I found is to dry the leaves so dry they crumble, pull it off the stalks, stick it in a food processor and grind it in to little flakes and then soak it in a mix of red wine/rum/treacle or pastis (ouzo, pernod etc)/treacle so it gets really wet for a hour and then gently toast it on foil under the grill turning it every few seconds. Keep a bit of the solution back incase you over toast it and then you can add some to moisten the tobacco. Gives a good smoke. However, aI am no lab technician I do not know what possible toxins the process may create so follow it at your own risk and bear in mind that I am already missing an eye, several teeth and have a couple of wonky fingers.

Mike


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the contribution Mike.The curing advice is most welcome, - nice and simple and should be of good use to our fellow growers.

Cheers,

Peter.


Mark 5 years ago

Hi Everyone, Hi Old Firm

I'm in my early 30's & living in Ecuador for the last few years. Tobacco grows wild here. The locals harvest it & make lovely hand rolled cigarettes. They don't remove the stem that runs through the leaf. A 20 pack for $0.50. I sometimes smoke brittle dried leaves that I find hanging on a live plant. They're totally fine. Usually I'll pull a few lower leaves from a plant when i need some & cure for no more than a week before putting them in my nice pipe which I bought on my most recent trip home to my ex-home, Toronto. It's such a beautiful plant, sacred in many cultures. Ive heard many rumours of health benefits in recent months online (apparent protection against alzheimer's & radiation exposure). From real scientific studies, of course. Many locals here are in their 90's & still puffing away (filterless cigarettes of course). I've also noticed that 90% of my favourite musicians smoke... As a musician myself, I find smoking has always seemed to me to be connected to the creative process.

A good argument has been made that the fibreglass filters of commercial cigarettes act like asbestos & small particles get lodged in the lungs which the body cannot remove... If I smoke a commercial cigarette (very rare), I always rip off the fibreglass filter. The "authorities" claiming that tobacco is evil while force-feeding us genetically modified foods, which are proven to cause organ damage & eventual sterilization would be laughable were it not such a serious trespass against us all...

Respect to all of you who are growing your own, whether your local "authorities" permit it or not... It's SO easy, free & let's one gets closer to nature; the sunshine, rain & earth. Nature is our birthright. Anyone trying to outlaw nature immediately looses all credibility in my opinion. (Isn't it illegal to smoke in public in Spain since 2011?)

Thanks Old Firm, Peace Everyone !


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday Mark,

Thanks for the comments. I agree, there's far too much hype about curing the stuff - keep it simple. Grow your own food if you can, pull it from the garden and eat it while it's still squealing.

Cheers,

TOF


Cheers Mate 5 years ago

What an excellent hub, I'm just waiting for my own Golden Newt seeds to sprout, better late than never, I'm northwest of Nelson & theres plenty of sun in Golden Bay. I sprinkled all of the seeds in the packet onto my seed raising mix because it just looked like s few pinches of dust (amateur gardener). By the sounds of it they are about to slowly burst into 1000 tobacco plants. I may need to acquire a plot at the local community gardens to accommodate the wee tackers.

Thanks for sharing from your experience, it's been very useful and applicable for me. ..+ Witty and funny to boot.

I have had some success curing tobacco in the past by spreading layers of leaves between single sheets of newspaper and leaving in the sun (on the deck) to kind of steam dry, then moistening and repeating. this was done after it was hung for about a month. I added some red wine and cherry molasses (left over from a bucket of a friends shisha tobacco), the smoke was delicious.

This year will be the first year I grow the plants myself, my lips are pressed in anticipation


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The Old Firm 5 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Cheers Mate, you're not too far from were I was born. Only a thousand plants? what's wrong, do you think they'll get blight? Seriously, a bit of thinning and transplanting as they grow and you'll have all the plants that you can handle. Now's plenty early enough to plant seeds, you can plant out well into January and still have large adult plants before Winter.

Cheers,

TOF


Slowburn 4 years ago

Great hub Im in east Auckland, got 17 plants in the backyard about 4 foot tall, nice big leaves alas theyre about to flower will that mean the nicotine level will go up?, i have smoked some of the smaller leaves and they didnt seem to strong cheers for all the info


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Slowburn,

I'd pick out the flowering heads and let them grow a bit more, if the bottom leaves start yellowing take them off, dry 'em and smoke 'em. If your plants are only 4ft tall, they may have been planted too early. Nothing wrong with that, but if you plant some more in the next few weeks they'll grow like stink and you should be harvesting seven ft tall plants in Autumn. Leave the flowers on one of your present plants and you'll have thousands of seeds for later on.

Cheers,

TOF.


McGoo 4 years ago

Bugger have just smoked the last of last years crop but got plenty in this year,easy as to grow and drying no problem just hanging in the garage.Got talking with a few grow your own blokes down this way, we all do things slightly different but all are getting bloody good baccy. One guy cuts the whole plant and hangs it,cutting it at an angle down near ground level and apparently they regrow the next year.Have found the whole exersise so damm easy can't believe I have left it so late in life to grow my own.


BJ 4 years ago

Great site, great reading.

I planted 8 plants 3 years ago and have smoked some of the leaf over time. However ,until now didn,t know how to cure it. How long do the plants last ?

Really good information.

Cheers


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi McGoo, yeah it's pretty user friendly stuff all right.

Gidday BJ,I've a plant going on 9 months old growing outside my bathroom window. It's a bit stunted as it was small at the start of winter but the leaves are fine, however as the plants reach maturity from seed in three or four months I'd suggest pick the leaves then and let one plant develop seed pods (you'll get thousands of seeds), and replant next year.

Cheers,

TOF


Shelley Thompson 4 years ago

I gave up smoking 20 years ago, when I planned to have my first baby.

I am impressed with the detail of your blog on growing tobacco...if grown organically it probably won't be half as bad for health as bought tobacco.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the comment Shelley, you're probably right.

Cheers,

TOF.


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kxdorey 4 years ago from Beverly Hills, California, USA

I wonder what the legal ramifications are of trying to grow and sell tobacco. I'm sure the government would crack down on that somehow.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

kxdory,

Hi, as I said at the start of this article it's quite legal to grow tobacco for your own use here in New Zealand, (as it is to distil spirits) You cannot however sell, gift or trade these products or otherwise dispose of them for profit. Other countries have different laws and if you're in doubt it's as well to check local legislation. America is notorious for its convoluted restrictions and California certainly doesn't shine as an exemption. You are however more free in your interpretation of some State legislature so growing may be OK. I'm inclined myself in some matters of doubt to go by the old adage of "Don't ask silly questions and you won't get silly answers." Often when the person you ask doesn't know the answer they'll just say "No you can't" to get rid of you and remove the problem. Government departments are notorious for this.

Regards,

TOF.


Witchy Woman 4 years ago

Great read ! will attempt to grow some baccy this year in the peak district uk when the weather gets better. I tried 4 years ago the plants were huge. The seeds acquired through allotment friend of friend, it was ghastly, I suspect a pipe tobacco! Such a pretty flower though also NO weeds grew around the plant in the vegetable garden. I have watched a u tube tutorial on curing today It suggests honey/water/ sugar/ glycerine boil up after drying and removing stems etc then press it chop it keep it for ever then smoke it ! £13.75 a 50 gram pack here so I am going to give this method a go. Building a curing chamber cost of heat and fans seems a faff and very expensive!


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Witchy, go it girl,people were curing tobacco before it knew it was sick, and had no trouble; keep it simple, you'll still get a reasonable smoke. The curing mix you mentioned sounds good, not too expensive. Have a read through the comments to this hub if you have time, there are some damn' good tips in amongst them.

Best of luck,

TOF.


Schagge 4 years ago

Hi

I was wondering - do the leaves really need to dry/cure for 1 year? What's the difference to just dry them for a few days instead?

Cheers


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Schagge, 2 years, Hell no. Three months is the rule of thumb, and some people cure to their satisfaction much more quickly. There are so many easy ways to home cure that I'd be writing forever to repeat them. Skim through the comments above and you'll find a dozen or more different ones or just do as I outlined and you should have a smokeable product in two or three months.

Cheers,

TOF.


Nigel 4 years ago

Hi, I cured that small leaf discussed in an earlier post.

Just hung it in my carshed, threaded on fishing nylon with a needle, sprayed with silver water once a week to keep the mould off, and smoking it after 2 months. I strip the stems out, crush the dry leaves by hand and moisten, mix with my commercial tobacco 50/50. What an amazing smoke.

Now I've halved my baccy bill, I'll be able to top the fridge up more often.

I plucked sucker shoots and planted them, they are growing well.

I mix the baccy to get a better burn, any suggestions

on this subject? I 'd like to get rid of the commercial crap altogether.

Can you point me in the right direction to purchasing

a tobacco plant with a larger leaf?

Thanks so much mate, I never realized growing your own tobacco was so easy.

my email - doffy55@hotmail.com


EireFury 4 years ago from Layton, UT - USA

I am about to try my hand at growing my own tobacco and found your site while surfing the net. I really like your site and found it to be very interesting. Will try your method and see how it works for me.

Due to rising bakky costs, I started rolling my own a few years ago- but even that is getting outrageously expensive. I found a place in Oregon, (seedrack.com) where I bought my first seeds. After perusing a few seed sites (with astronomical prices) I purchased one pack (100 seeds) for 9 bucks. The shipping/handling was more than the seed price. Still, this will be enough to get me a good start until I can produce my own seeds.

Thanks for making a great site where we can share.

Warmest regards,

Eire


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Nigel, Kings seed in NZ sell a large leafed tobacco, contact email near the start of my article, or I can send you some of my seeds if you're stuck. Planting out your seedlings late November to January (in NZ) should give you full sized plants. Use the same growing season as tomatoes.

Eire, thanks for the comments, and best wishes to you as well. (9 bucks for 100 seeds? Hell,I'm in the wrong business, I've probably a million of them, and you get thousands upon thousands from one plant!)

Cheers,

TOF


EireFury 4 years ago from Layton, UT - USA

I got my seeds started last week. Stuck 'em in some peat pots in the hope of minimizing the shock of transplanting them outside. I'm considering building a raised planter to put them in once the weather warms up. Can you give me some ideas on what size the planter should be? I do a lot of gardening,, mostly veggies, fruits and herbs, and I find that the leafminers like thicker leaved plants. I have a bit of a problem with slugs and grasshoppers. Any suggestions for detering these little nuisances that won't kill off the beneficial insects? Also, I have a lot of yellowjackets and wasps here. Due to the depleted bumble bee and honey bee situation here, I am wondering if these little buggers do any good as far as pollination. Any thoughts on this?


McGoo 4 years ago

I have been using this for flavouring, this is a half strength as found the full strength to strong.

2 cups of water

1 tablespoon glycyrene

1 tablespoon brown sugar

1 & a half tablespoons liqueur or spirit syrup (Bin Inn)

1 tablespoon of honey.

Throw all the ingrediants into a pot and bring to the boil then give the cut tobacco a good spray and then let dry.Got desperate this year and smoking tobacco that has been hanging for only 4 weeks and has taken the harshness out. Also worked very well last year on fully dried tobacco.


Phill T, NZ 4 years ago

1st year growing tobacco. Have several plants 7 foot and the rest about 5 foot. Enjoyed reading your site


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

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EireFury, Good to hear from you. Tobacco grows seven foot tall, with a root ball the size of a basketball and I plant it in the garden no closer than two feet apart so you'll need a big planter, I would guess 20in diameter minimum and at least a foot deep, but that's only a guestimate.

An old cure for slugs is to bury an open can almost to it's rim in the garden and put an inch of stale beer in it. (You'll have to put some sort of cover over it to keep out rain and thirsty dogs) The beer attracts the slugs which then hopefully drown in an alcoholic haze. To trap snails put upended cans on short sticks around the garden. The snails climb the sticks into the cans at dawn to shelter from the sun. Go around in the morning and clean out the cans, disposing of the snails as you wish. Laying out damp boards will probably do the same for slugs.

As far as I know wasps aren't pollinators, just pests. Pour a little petrol on/into their nests after dark when they're more dormant, the fumes should kill them. I've found that pollination isn't an issue with tobacco, don't worry too much about it.

Regards,

TOF


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi McGoo, Thanks for the recipe, I'll hang on to it.

Regards,

TOF.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday Phill T, thanks for the comments.

Cheers,

TOF


Billy 4 years ago

Hi,I live in New Plymouth.I have seedlings about 20mm high.Do you think they will survive the cold?I grew a few plants years ago,but even tho the leaves were dry,I couldn't get them to keep burning.After cutting the leaf as fine as I could,it burnt better.I think maybe the finer the better.I visit your pages regularly,thanks for the info.Great site.Cheers,Billy


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Billy, yes your plants should survive the Winter OK, but their growth will slow right down when it gets cold and you'll end up with small plants next year. I left one plant grow which was a seedling this time last year and it grew to about four foot high with smallish leaves. Still usable though. It's finally dying off now, but has a lot of seed pods.

Good luck,

TOF


Valentin 4 years ago

There is an argument for smoking tobacco. Tobacco smoking makes you think more efficiently because of the nicotine and world war 2 probably wouldn't have been won if all the people involved didn't smoke tobacco. This in defense of smokers. I am not saying that everyone should take it but rather that with most people (if not all) do benefit from taking tobacco in moderation.


john 4 years ago

hi i have been growing my tobacco for about 6 years now i live in canterbury nz and i find that the winter doesn't realy affect it much at all.

I have also never ever had to replace my plants i just take off the seed heads to stop them taking the nutrients from the leaves and they continually grow, they will slow down a small amount in the winter but as soon as the weather fines up away they go again.

I have about 15-20 plants that have been in for 5 years plus and they continually produce each year they stand about 9-10 foot tall i have a few more that are smaller and in there 3rd year running without having to replace yet and they stand about 7 foot tall, i have alot of other plants that i only let do one cycle and then start again as i dont have heaps of room to let all go continually. it cost me $3 for the seeds to start and i make my own flavourings for them also which costs me about $20 to make and it gives me enough flavourings for about 25-35kg of cured tobacco. It has cost me about $50 for the last 5 years of smoking compared to the $7-8,000 or more from the shops. I have been selling the flavourings to others that are growing. anyone that wants some flavourings with a couple of instructions that i have been using for 5 years that makes a nice smoke please let me know and I will make you some. I have been busy over the last year preparing and trying more flavourings to try have something different for a change i am in the process of producing a weird and wonderful flavour asked for by a friend, that he wants to taste like chicken we have had 2 trial runs at it and not too bad so far we have a few more trials coming up once the next lot of tobacco has cured.

I thought i would add that i only hang my tobacco for 2 months as it leaves a small mount of moisture in the leaf and saves the misting process if it gets too dry.

A very good write up on growing tobacco by the way.

if anyone else has any wonderful ideas that i could add to my brain about these plants, im always looking for new tricks to make the process a little easier.


murray 4 years ago

it looks like it very good our goverment far to taxing


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Valentin: thank you for your thoughts.

John, thanks for the input. I find that my plants only last a little over a year (I went out and checked one that I'd left growing from last Autumn as I write this and it's history, but a ton of seed heads)

Those flavourings seem interesting, - Chicken flavoured tobacco? Sounds fowl! If you check the comments back five weeks from this point McGoo from a bit south of you has an interesting flavouring with glycerine and honey. There's another mentioned a year or so ago, but you'll have to do a bit of searching for that. What variety of seed are you using? My original stock was Golden Newt from King's Seeds.

murray: I agree, all governments are thieving sods!

Cheers,

TOF.


LoTsaHoPS 4 years ago

A very good article. It got away from all the tech stuff and left the basics.

After reading this - I am now growing and smoking my own and have been for nearly 2 months. The $ saved and being able to have a smoke when I like is kind of euphoric.

Naturally the first lot of leaf was fast dried and a tad rough but it is getting better as the leaf is now hanging longer.

Thank you for writing this hub it inspired me. :)


LoTsaHoPS - Mike 4 years ago

I would be real interested in a way to get a menthol flavour so my partner can smoke home grown as well.

My e-mail is RuFFturning@gmail.com if anyone can help with this.


homero!! 4 years ago

hi!!

@theoldfirm

can you helpme with the process...

i have 30 plants ready for start the process...

i dont know how is the procees for make the tobacco for cigarettes...

can you help me with regard to the snuff chopped homemade cigars ....


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Mike, thanks for the comments, I'm afraid that I can't help you with the menthol problem, perhaps someone reading this can.

Gidday homero!! If you read this article you should get the idea, some of the reader comments are very helpful as well. Good luck.

TOF


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ABeginner 4 years ago

I'm so keen to get started after reading this, fantastic stuff! Is the Turkish tobacco seed available in NZ? Also, I am not quite sure when to harvest. Appreciate all the help I can get on this as the price of fags is totally unrealistic.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

ABiginner Hi there, I don't know of Turkish seed, you could contact Kings Seeds in Katikati, (link at beginning of article) they're very helpful.

A rough rule of thumb for harvesting is when the flowers form seed heads, or when the bottom leaves start to yellow. (Or if your desperate haul off a few of the largest leaves and dry them out. They may not be as strong, but they'll see you through!)

Hey,it's only tobacco,it costs bugger-all to grow and picking a bit early won't make it taste appreciably different. It has to be at least yellow dry and a bit of flavouring makes a difference (see reader comments over the last few months), so experiment and have fun.

Cheers,

TOF


mcgoo 4 years ago

A mate of mine told me a while back what to use for menthol flavouring,can't remember it just at the moment,booze or old age not sure which but will catch up with him sometime next week and put it on site.


_HoPS (Mike) 4 years ago

Thank you mcgoo. it would be apriciated. Look forward to you getting back


_HoPS 4 years ago

I have found with drying to get bakky qickly - hang it where there is wind flow - not in direct sunlight and (I) go through the hung leaves twice a day. In the morning to separate them - because they stick together a bit at times - and in the heat of the day to rip the dry parts off the leaf or to phrase it better - take off the parts of leaf that crumble and come off real easy.

As for harvesting leaf. I started a while back. Let the plants grow to approx 5' then went through and took all the good sized leaves off and hung them in the wood shed.

Have had about 4 harvests now and there is still over half the plants hieght in leaf. have roughly half a kilo real dry flake stored now. Throw a knot of wet leaf in your pouch with the real dry flake and a couple of hours later you can feel the diference.


ABeginner 4 years ago

Thanks very much for the information. I will start planting, & if all goes to plan I will post a photo.


_HoPS 4 years ago

take the leaves from the bottom up. :)


-HoPS 4 years ago

Hello The Old Firm. I am in the Waikato as well. Te Awamutu.


ABeginner 4 years ago

Here's the rub (no pun intended): I have no shed available to dry/cure the leaves. However, I do have an open-ended carport, so I was thinking of turning the back part into a makeshift drying area; perhaps, I could use some of that green matting fabric that is sold at the plant shop, that way the leaves would be protected form the elements (although not totally) and an air flow would be allowed. What do you reckon TOF? I appreciate all the good advise you give here.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry for the slow reply guys, I've been out playing with my little sail-boat (just on the mooring fixing bits)

HoPS: Thanks for the help and good advice, I was over at Te Awamutu playing bridge the other day.

Gidday magoo, were you selling a boat on TradeMe a week or so back?

ABeginner: Hi Mate, the bloke over the road from me grew tobacco in the flower border of his council flat this year from seed and a couple of seedlings that I gave him. He hung the leaves in the back of his car port to dry, out of the Sun, without any problem. What you suggest doing sounds spot on.

Cheers,

TOF.


HoPS 4 years ago

Drop us an e_mail at RuFFturning@gmail.com and stop in for a coffee next time your over this way TOF


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Will attempt to do that, although I only get to tournaments occasionally, when some-one's desperate for a partner. Thanks for the invo'.

TOF


Allen Thornton 4 years ago

Thanks for providing this information. In the years I managed to grow tobacco to maturity, I was so intimidated by curing instructions that I just threw the leaves in with some cigar leaf and fermented it. I still have the leaves because I don't really care for cigar leaf in my pipe. Thanks again. If my plants (burley this year) thrive, I'll use your curing methods.

Allen


sharon l 4 years ago

I love this site. I live in Michigan, us. I am going to give this a try. My sister smokes and ask me to try to grow it for her. Thanks for all the info and laughs. Everyone have a great day and keep writing so I can be educated in the process......SHaron


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Allen, Sharon, good to meet you. Thanks for the nice comments.

Cheers,

TOF


mcgoo 4 years ago

Can,t afford a wife and a boat wasn't me.Sorry Mike forgot about that little chore will try and sort it tomorrow for you


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'day McGoo. The seller was McGoo2 from down your way. Just thought that I'd ask. Hows the bacci' going?

Cheers,

TOF


strontiumv8 4 years ago

Awsome blog, I'm impressed with the easy to understand detail. Just one question. Can a clothes dryer be used to accelerate the drying process.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi strontiumv8, I'm only guessing but I would think so, however cloths driers use a lot of electricity, and that stuff's expensive. The aim of the exercise is to save money, but, having said that, you can give it a try. If a few hours in a drier saves you weeks of air drying your on a winner. Let me know how you go.

Regards,

TOF


Eileen 4 years ago

Hi. We have just planted some seeds and are awaiting for them to pop up. My son has sarcoidosis and as he is a smoker he cannot give up as when the nicitine is withdrawn the sarcoidosis releases toxins looking for the nicitine. T

This has put him in hospital lots of times. Vitamin D also causes the sarcoidosis to release toxins and again hospital stays happen. He cannot enjoy the sunlite and any food with added vit D.

He has tried the patches and now champax tabs to give up smoking. 1 in 100 people using champax will end up with mental health issues. With 3 weeks of the tabs he ended up paronoid and suicidal.

Hense the growing of tobacco. When the seedlings are up and growing well, can we use the leaves when they are small. He needs to cut the cost of smoking as he is representing NZ in the NZ performing arts team that fly out for LA at the end of June. He is a very talented musician and is hoping that this will be his stepping board for better things. There is over 40 countries compeating in LA at the Aim For Fame competitions.

Also are tobacco seeds sold in LA. If so, where would be the best place to purchuse them

We live in North Taranaki where we have a great growing enviroment.

Thanks


mcgoo 4 years ago

Having a great season with the tobacco,plants that went in the ground at the end of October were cut in January.Cut the main stalk about 100mm from ground level and those plants are now close to 2 metres tall again,a lot of side shoots develop, just stick to one strong one and keep picking out any others that try to grow.These have now grown to 1.5 to 1.8 metres so has almost doubled the crop for very little trouble.Mike in T A sorry this has taken a while but eucalyptus oil can be used for Menthol flavouring.Suggest you water some down and try a small amount on a little bit of baccy next time you cut some.Sorry can't be off any more help but let us know what you come up with.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thanks for the update mcgoo, sounds like you've squeezed a damn' good crop out of your bacci plants, Cheers.

Hi Eileen, good luck with your growing. Your son's obviously a most accomplished young man who's doing well in the face of adversity; I wish him the best. If you read some of the comments above you'll pick up further tips on growing. mcgoo lives down south and his advice and comments are worth a read. He also has a good flavouring formula.

I'm afraid that I can't advise you on the availability of seed in LA, other than to comment that every sort of seed for every sort of wild-weed used to be easily obtainable there a few years back, and I can't see it having changed under Arnie the Terminators governance.

Regards,

TOF


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Eileen, you can use the leaves when small, they just won't be as strong as later. Experiment and have fun.

Cheers,

TOF


greg kilker 4 years ago

in california taxes are killing us,40% of a packs price[5]usd,govT


Danny Dazzle 4 years ago

Thanx,

My current cigar cost ten quid!


Mike 4 years ago

Thank you McGoo will give it a try for sure.

Now i would like to know if home grown bakky is acting as a placebo on me.The reasons - I am eating, breathing and generally feeling much better in the approx 3mths that i have been smoking home grown full time. I have heard that when people stop smoking they start coughing up big thick globials of phlem - body is clearing out the shit - and that is what i am doing now. Yesterday i noticed that i am sencing smell again - not to any great extent but hey.

be interested in knowing what you all think on this as to how much of this is just me or home grown.

Also i have made a gillotine to chop my bakky with. A old silicon bread board, fairly heavy duty meat cleaver a touch of kiwi ingenuity and a bit of work making brackets reshaping the cutting edge of the cleaver and some steal each side of the blade over the hole for the handle of the board and am very pleased with the way it works :)


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Greg, trying to find the actual tax on tobacco in NZ is near impossible as it's so bad, but after a little delving I came up with two sources, one giving 63%, the other about $26 0n 50 grammes (2oz). - Around $500 a kilo. Grow your own, maybe $1 a kilo (fertilizer and water), and it's healthier, read Mikes comment above.

Mike, I can't see placebo effect alone doing what you've stated. Home grown doesn't have the hormones or poisons of the commercial stuff added during growing and curing. I'm not suggesting that it's necessarily good for you, just far less bad, like being run over by a bicycle is less bad than being run over by a goods train!

Hi there Danny, as W C Fields once said, "A woman's just a woman, but a good cigar's a smoke!"

Cheers,

TOF.


mother1 4 years ago

This article could have been written by muself - it is so funny!

HOWEVER - A QUESTION - I got the winzy seeds via Holland, have harvested and dried, albeit without the stem situation. Can I now just cut out the stems and whizz them up? In a blender? This sounds brill and I thank you for cutting back on my endless search on the Net!


strontiumv8 4 years ago

I've only just planted my first seeds, but have a couple of questions. When I have totally stripped my plants, do I pull them out and dispose of them, or do they re-grow?

Also, I live in Auckland, where frosts are rare. Are they likely to grow ok through winter? What month are they likely to reach maturity?


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

mother1, Hello there, I guess tobacco 101. If your leaves are yellow cut out the main stem and slice them. If they're not yellow yet dry them a bit longer. If you blend them, short bursts to make sure that you've got tobacco flakes, not tobacco paste.

Tobacco, dock leaves and politicians have many things in common: They're so hardy that they'll crop up any- where, it's almost impossible to kill them, your parents warned you about them, at least one of them is not good to have around and you can probably add several more reasons for eschewing close association with politicians.

Cheers,

strontium8, You've planted at the start of winter. Don't expect your plants to thrive. As I suggested,tobacco grows similarly to tomatoes, but is as hardy as cabbage. Therefore, if your starting seedlings now, grow them indoors in a hothouse situation, ( Grow 'em in a big bucket near a North facing window,) or wait till spring.

If you have established plants, (As in 2-3 ft high,) they'll over-winter well, but won't grow a lot and you'll have stunted plants next year. The leaves will be smaller but quite usable.

I hope that this helped.

Cheers,

TOF


bill grimshaw 4 years ago from Auckland

Thanks for all the great info.

Also for your info the links below will show you how much the govt is charging for tobacco excise.

Works out to $442.10 per 1,000 cigarettes, or $0.4421 per cigarette. However you need to ad GST to that. Oh yes our government places tax on tax. So each smoke nets them $0.508415 cents or $10.168 per pack of twenty

http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/tariff/t...

OR

http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/tariff/t...


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday Bill, Thanks for those links, i found similar ones that gave me the 62% and $500 (approx') a kilo. As you say, add GST (15%) wages tax at 17 1/2%-30% and company tax of 30% 0n the remaining profit, remembering that the grower - importer pays company tax and GST as well, and I come to around 90% of the shelf price that goes back to our benevolent government.

If you show up at hospital with a cancer related problem, you're elderly, and you've EVER smoked, forget about preferential, or often other than cursory, treatment 'cause you've SMOKED and your a burden on the taxpayer. Forget that your habit over 30 or so years even as a moderate smoker has given treasury around a quarter of a million dollars more than the bloke who's never smoked.

For some benefits of growing your own other than the obvious one to your pocket, read mike's comments of three days ago.

Cheers,

Peter.


billy gillum 4 years ago

Thanks for the hub. This should be very helpful. My wife and I are gonna attempt to grow our own tobacco for personal use. Do to unfair over taxing. Our cigarettes are nearly five dollars a pack, and are expected to get higher. There was a time when kentucky, "where we live." was teaming with tobacco feilds. So in theory the plants should do well here. as far as the tobacco laws go, im not sure if its legal, but I dont give a shit. It wouldnt be the only illegal plant on my property...but again thank you.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi billy, thanks for your comments, if it makes you feel any better tobacco is $41NZ ($31US) for 40g - that's about 1 1/2 oz, and around $12US for a packet of twenty here. Thieving ain't in the same league as our government's greed.

Cheers mate,

TOF


Steve in Texas 4 years ago

Very helpful. I am not sure God meant for us to inhale smoke in quantity, but I am sure he made tobacco on purpose. I have made some very good insect repellent from tobacco, chili pepper, garlic, a bit of dish soap, and a bit of vinegar. The combo seems to be a fit all blend. Is it deadly on house plant aphids.

As to commercial tobacco, I read long ago that the US Food and Drug Department has never forced the commercial tobacco companies to disclose what is added to their products. People who did research found all sorts of chemicals in the stuff, and some of it would add to addiction. If you want to get your habit under control and actually enjoy smoking instead of being a slave, try growing your own. Too much of anything is still a bad idea.

I may celebrate my harvest with a pipe full just to see how mild it is. I am growing a Cajun variety from south Louisiana in the USA. You can buy it as an heirloom from Baker Seed Company online.


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reagu 4 years ago from Los Angeles

I'm curious if everything you grow is personal consumption only because it looks a lot for 1-2 people. I'm not a smoker so I wouldn't know. But I do appreciate a cigar every so often.


koenigsking 4 years ago

Hello from Texas,

I've been growing my own tobacco for 4 years now. I got my start on your most excellent advice about simplicity being the key. Thanks.

I grow about 200 plants in my garden each year and air dry in a shed. After leaving it hang 6-8 months I store it in cardboard boxes. Apparently I'm growing 2-3 yrs supply each year, as the boxes continue to stack up. So obviously I'm growing for fun as much as supply. It's a beautiful plant.

So here's the plan. Continue to grow and store for 5 more years. Then quit smoking and sell the lot. Use the money for a vacation to New Zealand


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Steve, thanks for the bug repellent recipe, my stepfather used to make a bug repellent from old butts soaked in a bucket of water for a few days, back when I was a kid. I like yours better. Best wishes.

G'day reagu, thanks for calling. Like you I don't smoke, only the occasional cigar, and that not for some years now, but I do grow tobacco, mostly so that I can write with some authority about how to do it.Regards.

koegsking, Hi there, 200 plants is one Hell of a lot of tobacco if your plants grow to the size of mine! I look forward to seeing you here in a couple of years. Cheers mate.


Mark 4 years ago

I seldom comment on blogs and such, but I must say that I adore your writing style.

The whole article is incredibly well written and it was a joy to read.

I'll have to look into adapting your guide for the UK, but nonetheless I found it incredibly useful!

Thanks!


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Thank you Mark. I've had other UK readers who've adapted without difficulty. Tobacco is incredibly easy to grow.

best of luck,

TOF


koenigsking 4 years ago

Yes sir, 200 plants is a Lot of tobacco. My plants routinely pass 7 ft tall. Last years champ was 9ft 4 in. I think that would be about 3 meters but we don't really have meters here. Handling and processing is a job I have made into a challenging hobby.

I use an awful lot of tobacco, having become very generous with cigarettes. Someone asks to bum a smoke, I give 'em a pack. The county inmates who they take out to work on roads, I hand out multiple packs to those guys. They are very appreciative as smoking is not allowed in the jail. With my grey beard they sort of regard me as "Cigarette Santa". Smokes are also great barter items among friends. I think that might not be entirely legal, but I've never been one to fuss a lot over rules when I don't seem to be hurting anyone.

A tip to you guys who roll your own and struggle for adequate packaging. Parsley flakes come in an average looking spice jar, which is plastic of course. They cost about a half dollar so pouring out the contents isn't very wasteful. The jar hold 20 or 21 cigarettes, is watertight, crush-proof and infinitely re-usable. A real novelty as well


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi koenigsking, I was raised on imperial measure (ft and inches), trained to use knots and nautical miles (1 minute of longitude) and had metric foisted on me in my thirties, so you can talk feet, yards, metres, miles, leagues, or cubits if you want, I'm happy.

Thanks for the tips.

Cheers,

TOF


Plaker 4 years ago

Decided to try growing tobacco for the first time this year. Found this site after searching several to learn more... extremely useful stuff and the whole process from start to finish! Thank you for this! Great stuff!


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Plaker, Glad to be of help.

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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

strontiumv8, did that and removed your comment so that the world won't know your email.

Cheers.


lej5157 4 years ago

Do these seeds grow slow after sprouting?


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Lej5157, Hi.I've had no trouble sprouting it from seed although some of my friends have said that theirs were slow to start. The seeds need warmth, so putting the seed tray indoors on a sunny windowsill and keeping it moist will help.

Good luck.


strontiumv8 4 years ago

Is there anyone in Auckland who wouldn't mind me coming and having a look at your crops. Also, when you have stripped the plants of their leaves, do you pull the plants out and replant new ones, or do they regenerate again.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

strontium8, Hi, I'm afraid that I can't help you with Auckland tobacco growers, I'm in the Waikato and have nothing planted at the moment, however, for your other question, a neighbor has cut of one of his plants at the stump and it's regenerating well. I'm watching with interest to see if it will make a full sized plant in Summer.

Cheers

TOF (Sorry for the delay in replying, my laptop crashed and I had to kick another computer into life!)


pat 4 years ago

you r one funny sombitch! wish u were my neighbor!!tks smokin now!


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

pat: I'm also very modest. Thanks for the comment mate.

Cheers,

TOF


jeff h-nz 4 years ago

thanks for all the advice and links to seeds-this will save me $1000s a year.

i think our government should be giving out seeds to smokers&a panflit on how to grow.

this would save families money,letting kids get more food etc.instead they raise the price and the parent still buys but now has less money for admenaties.

its all about money the government doesnt give a stuff about our health i say!!!!!!


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi jeff h,

As long as our idiot government doesn't decide in it's infinite wisdom to ban the growing of tobacco for private use I'm happy. - Seeds are cheap, one packet and in six months or so you can supply all your mates with more of them, and a bit of searching on the internet will get you sites like this to give you a start.

They probably realize that if they did criminalize growing it the average Joe would say "What the Hell, I might as well grow pot instead, and be hung for a sheep, not a lamb!"

Good luck with your gardening mate.

Cheers,

TOF.


Slowburn 4 years ago

I'm in Auckland, start seeds in an incubator with lights (energy saver bulbs put off a bit of uv) I've noticed the seeds sprout quickly but are slow to grow compared to other plants, though once they're 2 inch they tonk & grow faster than corn.

One plant i chopped off at the base leaving two laterals which grew a bit then started flowering. Like tomatoes could be worth cloning laterals instead. Nah too much effort easier to start afresh given the amount of seeds you get.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi slowburn, Cloning laterals from a growing plant should give you a later second crop. You should be picking them out anyway, as you would with tomatoes. They normally grow full size as long as you have enough season left.

Cheers,

TOF


dsqnaii 4 years ago

Just starting to harvest my first crop here in Colorado, got great plants, didn't know if they'd grow here in the west. Got to your blog too late, all my plants have already flowered( seed pods etc.). Will there be a difference in the tobacco? Also have a problem with leaves drying out too quickly, most leaves are drying green color. Will spraying help this? Also have put already dried leaves in a bag with apple slices to moisten them back up. What's the problem with smoking tobacco without curing for( what you say-3 months). Have already rolled some and smoked it after only a couple of weeks. Tastes fine to me.


Kenand68 4 years ago

I purchased some seeds last spring and pitched a small pinch into four small pots. I ended up with about 200 seelings. Isplit them up into about a dozen six pack starter planters. I then thined them out to one seedling per little squair. I ended up only planting three of the strongest plants. One is ab out 8 feet tall and flowering, one is about 6 feet tall amd the one that I am growing in partial shadt is about 4.5 feet tall.

You may have realised, I am trying to grow cigars. Do you know of any hub that teaches how to roll your own cigars? Iam ready to start harvesting so it will be a while befor I am ready to start rollig cigars.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi dsqnaii, Good to hear from you. Nothing at all wrong with smoking the tobacco straight away if it tastes OK to you, this hub's just a guide to try and take away the mystique. As you've found, growing it's pretty easy, cutting it up and smoking it's not too hard either. The colour of your tobacco is probably no more important than the colour of your girlfriend, - in both cases lilac or paisley might raise eyebrows but if it works for you, so what?

Thanks for writing and good luck.

Cheers,

TOF


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Kenand68, thanks for your feedback. Your plants sound pretty good. I'm sorry that I can't help you over rolling cigars, I'd rather like to know as well.

Regards,

TOF.


dsqnaii 4 years ago

Thanks for your reply, guess I can do no wrong. No humidity here so no worry about mold and no bugs. Just didn't know about "topping" the plants so I guess I've got enough seeds to plant the rest of Colorado. Anyway, wife loves the flowers and wants to plant them all around the house next year. Thanks again.


hesh 4 years ago

what would you say is the extremest weather tobacco can survive in?

also kenand did you find anything about how to roll cigars?

thanks.


_HoPS 4 years ago

Hello again TOF.

Have now been smoking home grown bakky for about 8 - 9 months and have enough I reckon to see me through till the first harvest of this year is dryed and ready.

The seeds I bought last year off the internet took approx a month to germinate so I was pleasantly surprised when the seeds I grew came up in 7 days.

This year I have set up a worksheet in excel 2007 to keep a record - with pics and all :)

Great to see your still getting a lot of good response on this hub. The Kiwi to the point method works.

Thanks TOF and Cheers


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi hesh, I can only guess, it seems to grow OK in Scotland and Norway, and laughs at the light frosts that I have here (doesn't actually grow, just sits there looking smug waiting for spring!) I would say that if you can grow cabbages in your conditions you can grow tobacco.

Good luck,

TOF


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Gidday HoPS, glad to hear that your baccy turned out well. By now you should have enough seed to plant half the town.

The worksheet sounds a bloody good idea, If you want to post if as a blog/site I can leave a link in my Hub to it.

Cheers,

TOF


Slowburn 4 years ago

Hi TOF an everyone. Here's a not bad site on cigars & general info

http://www.cigars4dummies.com


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Alfred, I'm not sure that I can help you. King Seed in New Zealand sell tobacco seed very cheaply (around $4 NZ a packet, which has hundreds of seeds, there's a link in the Hub to them) but if you contact any garden supply shop in the Philippines I'm sure that they will help, and tell you where to get seed if it's available locally.

Best of luck,

TOF


kimmy35 4 years ago

Hi there, I'm a bit lost I have grown the tobacco for 2 years nows have 3 large bins of dried leaves in garage, some are quite dry and some are like leather, to smoke on it's own it is quite harsh, I have looked at alot of websites but don't know where to go from here, I would like some help with the steps please (how do I flavour, I have purchased a tobacco slicer don't know whether to cut the way it is or flavour first) please help:)


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi kimmy, I would suggest that you flavour first. If the leaves are so dry that they're brittle spaying them with a garden mister should help. use either plain water or a flavouring solution if you have it.

A browse through the many comments above will unearth two or three good flavouring formulas. (It'll take you a while I'm afraid)

A friend of mine has made up a shallow box which he lines with aluminium foil; he layers the dried leaves (center rib removed) in this, spraying with a light mist of flavouring between each layer. when he's made up several layers he then puts another layer of foil on top, places a suitably sized flat block on top of this, - an off-cut of planking is fine, - and puts a weight on the lot. (He uses a three litre bottle full of water, but anything handy will do.) After a few weeks he removes the weight and top foil, takes out the resulting thick sheet of cured tobacco and rolls it up tightly like a thick cigar. This fits into the tube of his hand slicer and the finished product is ready to use. If it keeps going out it's still slightly too moist so teasing it out on a tray and leaving it for a few minutes in the warming draw of an oven should fix the problem.

Remember that home grown tobacco doesn't burn as well as the commercial stuff, which has saltpeter and God knows what else added to if to keep it going.

I hope this helps, Good luck.

TOF


kimmy35 4 years ago

Thanks for that I will try that have looked at those recipes do you know how much leaf you add to the recipe ( I kinda like measurements or weights don't know why) I live in Canterbury (Ashburton it grows well) thanks for the help much appreciated :)


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Sorry kimmy, I can't give you measurements. If you're spraying, just dampen the leaves, you don't want them to rot or go slimy. but experiment. You'll find the taste that suits you best, and it's not as if the leaf is rare or expensive.

Cheers,

TOF


rsaurus 4 years ago

So, as far as I can tell, it's illegal to grow in our free country of Oz,

so don't get caught. As I live on a numberof acres, little chance of that. I think, now to find some seeds.......


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Google around, T'Rex, You may be surprised and delighted.

Otherwise, since when has the Land of The Free Kissed the arse of bureaucracy? If I can buy seeds and legally grow Sir Wally Raleigh's undoing in this Mummy's country, I'm sure you can there.

There's a link to Kings Seeds in NZ above, they may help you. If you really get stuck for seeds email me, I've still a few old mates over your way from when I trained as a Sumpy on the Mighty Muddy Murrumbidgee.

Cheers.

TOF


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Jeffrey Humm 4 years ago

Hi there..Just a moan about the weather we're having for this time of the year in NZ.My tobacco is growing,with the leaves about the size of my hand.But I think this cold weather is stunting there height:(.Still can't complain,anything is better than nothing& if I killed&dried them now there would already be $100 worth of tobacco I"d save(at this current outragest price,our government has set-&soon to rise in the new year).Also I already tried some the other day(as a plant I replanted didn't make it),it was dried in 2 days in the sun&was pleasn'tly surprised at the taste&sence of satisfaction,considering the quick-harsh dring method.I thought it was going to be harsh with little nicotine.If this is any indication of how good the final product(dried right)will be,then it might be better than shop brought tobacco:)I'm waiting with anticipation....


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi Jeffrey,

Yeah crap weather, the equinoctials stripped most of the fruit off my plums, and didn't do by banana a lot of good either; Bummer!

One of my neighbours has grown some bacci from a stump of last year's crop and is drying it now. Looks a bit green in places but as an experiment its OK. he has another plant that's about 5 ft at the moment, a bit early to harvest yet, - and I'm just starting my seed for a main Summer crop; I'm aiming to harvest around March.

And I reckon that anything's better than shop bought at $40 a packet, but home grown usually tastes pretty good too.

Cheers.


John Bevington 4 years ago

I've got about 80 growing now that are just producing their first 'true leaves'. I know it's a little to be starting them, but I was really waiting to give it a try, & I don't even smoke. But I have friends that do. I still have about 300 seeds left if I want to start them closer the spring. Thanks for the information. I'm working on growing all my own food, (a little more every year). Thanks again.


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi John, 80 is a LOT of tobacco when you work out that each plant can grow 2 metres tall and can't be planted closer than 1/2 metre from the next.. Its good to hear that you're giving it a try, and with those extra seedlings you should be very popular with your friends.

I'm working on the self-sufficiency thing too, I picked my first strawberry today, and have been getting a few raspberries in the last week. (It's late Spring here) Lettuces are good and the beans are just thinking about climbing.

Best of luck with your tobacco.

Cheers,

TOF


strontiumv8 4 years ago

What would the yeild of 1 fully grown plant be ie/ how many 50g pouches of dry product would I expect per plant.

Phil


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The Old Firm 4 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hey Phil, I can't give you a definitive answer, it's a bit like "How long is a piece of string?", or "How many tomatoes can I get from a tomato plant?" It depends!

Cheers,

TOF


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Captgrow 3 years ago from Tauranga

Great advice Phil, I have researhed different shredding options including : http://www.cuthof.se/Public_CK/ . There must be better and cheaper options ???

Any help on that department.

Kind regards

Victor

tauranga


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Jeffrey Humm 3 years ago

Hi there-my tobacco has taken off now!!!

With some of them up to 1metre tall.Leaves bigger than a foot wide&nearly2feet long!!!It looks like a truely magnificent plant.I'm thinking at this rate they should be ready just after new year&I may even have enough time to cram in another lot,if I start now(the seeds have just come up).I live at the top of the north island so it is a little bit hotter up here,but I grow then in%100 cow manure thats been breaking down for just long enough for weeds to start growing.I've given them1 liquid fertilizer&I might give them1more but I don't think it's needed with the fresh dung.The cow dung I use comes off a pad.On that pad they only eat hay ,so the dung full of hay;)

Now I'm thinking of drying&curing quickly.Have you heard of the Boston Smokers Club?It describes a method called Junican/Rose method of curing tobacco.It drys&cures in less than2weeks.I was wondering if you have tried it&if it works(good enough)?

I was just going to do a bit like this&the bulk naturally.


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Captgrow: Hi Victor, I had a look at that site. It seems a great kit, but I'm a tight bloke and I'd do a lot of cutting with a sharp knife for $200NZ.

Jeffrey, your plants are doing amazingly, they should grow to around two metres tall. I haven't heard of the BSC but give their method a bash, it's not as if you're going to be short of leaves to play with, and you've plenty of time to grow a late crop.

Cheers,

TOF.


tushngatai 3 years ago

hey there just wandering where you get tabbaco plants from


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi tushngatai .

Kings' Seeds originally (see link in text) from which I use my own seed.

Cheers,

TOF


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ajcor 3 years ago from NSW. Australia

Happy Birthday Old Firm - hope you have a great day....cheers

ps are you having pav for your birthday dessert...


micky j 3 years ago

hey bud. ive got 7 tobaco plants growing down here in christchurch around my property and found this page the most helpfull on this internet thing. So just wanting to say cheers for the addvice


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hey ajcor, haven't heard from you in yonks. Thanks for the birthday bit, and no, I didn't have pav, - did have home grown strawberries though (and I've heaps of self seeded 'baccy plants popping up amongst the strawberries- time to transplant them I guess) I also did damage to half a bottle of Black Heart, in the convivial company of a neighbour (and her adult son- Blehh!)

Hi micky j, glad to know that I was of help.

Cheers,

TOF


RoyB 3 years ago

I contacted New Zealand ref to buy some Seeds, but they told me they were not allowed to sell or post them to Australia. Very strange really, considering I just bought some from Thailand and also the U.S.


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi RoyB, sorry to hear that. Email me via Hubpages, and I'll see if I can Help.

Cheers


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Jeffrey Humm 3 years ago

found this from bob(a man)

This is incredible! It's a $50,000 fine and two years on jail for growing your own tobacco for personal consumption in Australia! It's TYRANNY!

Bob

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Commonwealth Consolidated Acts

EXCISE ACT 1901 - SECT 28

Only licensed producers to produce tobacco leaf etc.

(1) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not intentionally produce material that is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf knowing, or being reckless as to whether, the material is tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty:

(a) for tobacco seed or tobacco plant--2 years imprisonment or 500 penalty units; and

(b) for tobacco leaf--2 years imprisonment or the greater of:

(i) 500 penalty units; and

(ii) 5 times the amount of duty, worked out under the regulations, being the duty that would be payable if the tobacco leaf had been manufactured into excisable goods and entered for home consumption on the penalty day.

Note: See section 4AA of the Crimes Act 1914 for the current value of a penalty unit.

(2) A person who does not hold a producer licence must not produce tobacco seed, tobacco plant or tobacco leaf.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

(3) Strict liability applies to subsection (2).

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/...


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LoTsaHoPS 3 years ago from New Zealand

Hello Tof

First time back to this site for some time.

The reason for coming back on is to thank you again for this hub. Thank You.

I have been smoking 100% homegrown - organic tobacco for one year now.

I have no idea how much money this has saved me and it really does not matter. Another way of phrasing it - I have no idea where I'd find the money now to by the stuff.

There are plants growing again this season and leaf hanging.

The beauty of homegrown bakky - for me - is that I still feel a whole lot better than I did when smoking commercial stuff and I am a heavy smoker.

It was this hub that got me started.

Cheers Mate for writing it.


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

G'Day LoTsaHoPS. Cheers mate, always pleased to know that I've been of help.

Pleasant smoking,

TOF


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The Old Firm 3 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

I was emailed a few days ago about seed. Regrettably my computer spat the dummy and deleted a months emails before I could reply, please re-email.

Cheers.


mcgoo 3 years ago

Should average around 4 x30gm packets per plant, if you can get your plants in around Labour weekend you can harvest in Jan cut the main stalk about 100ml above the ground and get a second crop as good as the first. Abit more pruning in the second growth and only let one shoot develop. Total yield per plant about 240 grams


Johnny 3 years ago

Hey TOF, do you currently have any tobacco plants growing? And if so how far through the growing process are they?


Johnny 3 years ago

Also, what variety of tobacco plants are you growing?


kieren biggs 3 years ago

hi mate, i got my first crop on the go, and thanks to your hub, ive cut 2 leaves off to test the curing. i cant wait to finally have a CLEAN supply of tobacco :D


GAIL 3 years ago

Illiminatti in charge of U.S. and world,but I can"t believe aus. and n.z. would give up their guns. Thanks for site.Listen to Alex Jones-u-tube.You have a great sense of humor!


BANBURY BOB 3 years ago

I am currently growing Gold Virginia and Dark Virginia, both varieties growing away like mad and abot four feet tall, now showing the flower bud heads which I have been told should be removed before flowering. I live in Oxfordshire in the centre of England. Banbury Bob.


Pete 3 years ago

Thank you, had all the information I was hoping to find.


Gadesh 3 years ago

What a brilliant site. Thanks TOF for the information. I first came across this hub last year when I was planning to plant some tobacco. I cropped my first leaves three months ago, hung them in the shed rafters and have just got them down to start chopping. I cropped a load more yesterday (yes the winter has been mild in the Coromandel this year) and I also have some new seed from two of the plants I left to flower. I will experiment with the alcohol flavours (yes.....I also have a still). All I can say is.........distilling and growing tobacco for personal use, legally, is one of the reasons New Zealand is the best place in the world to live. Having travelled a lot, we have never been to a country with such a wonderful attitude as well as scenery to die for round every corner. Hence we emigrated here from good old Blighty three years ago. Keep up the good work and look forward to the stilling hub.


ladaok 3 years ago

I say, a jolly good hello there !..... last season was first go at HGT, and very happy with results ... I'm rolling my own cigars, but I really need a proper cigar leaf seed ....... HELP !


OregonDave 3 years ago

HI...My names Dave and I live in Oregon.(USA) Way up in the Cascade Mountains.....Ia grew a crop this year and its doing great...

I have Oriental. Burley. Virginia Bright LEaf and Gold D

ollar...my question has to do with curing as far as optimum temp andhumidity...so far my oriental isn't getting dark enough...I think.... in fact... all are quite lite ....burley is okay...am I picking too early? ?too late...??? Obviously I cant type....this took an hour or so....could I give you my number and 20 bucks and you call me and we could talk.... I'm an old(ish


Rich D 3 years ago

In the curing stage my tobacco only gets dried out and crunches..what am I doing wrong??


Eddyjoe 3 years ago

Ta, got all the info and have not laughed as much in a long time. Great article.


tricky 3 years ago

I've just grown my first tobacco plants in the UK and was worried about the alleged complexities of curing....until I read your article. So, I pulled off a leaf, let it dry and just smoked it and it turned out to be rather nice. Thanks for a nicely written article and for dispelling the myths of curing :)


NgatiHikareti 3 years ago

Kia Ora

I have just been given about 100 little seedlings and 2 bigger plants and plan to grow my-own for personal use and for others to share as well, my big bro and I are experimenting with different flavours to try and match (if not better) some of the commercially grown stuff in regard to to taste and smoothness.

With the price of Bacci the way it is now and set to worsen as they (The Govt Corp) add 10% of the price tothe price every six months it wont be long before they make growing tobacco illegal as more and more people try to lessen the cost for themselves to spend less on this passtime govt like to demonize by calling it a "habit" to create division by ostresizing "smokers" and "non-smokers" and banishing the "smoker" to outer reaches of the cosmos to be forever painted as the filthy addicted nicotine abuser, never to be socially accepted until such time as you join the norm and "quit".

for me this only furthers to strengthen the cause and justifies the time and effort required to grow and produce a good product to share with my whanau, friends and anyone else we meet.

We have no fear of the system or its legislative rules of society given the colour and force of law, we have withdrawn our consent to be governed by them and are going to grow tobacco (and other plants) as we see fit, without fear of the system telling us what we can and cant do.

We will know that our product is grown "organically" (naturally) and try to match or better the bought stuff in quality without the Monsanto/Dupont round-up ready genetically modified poisons in the commercial product, which is more than likely the reason smoking is branded as "unhealthy", (I was in a parking building the other day having a ciggy when a security guy came up to me and told me put the smoke out, i refused and so he decided to give me a lecture on how "unhealthy" it is to smoke, I let him carry on for about five minutes by which time my smoke was finished, then proceeded to give him a lecture on how he had just kept me and himself inside a concrete box surrounded by concentrated carbon-menoxide fumes from the cars going passed us and that I will take my chances with the ciggy,...thanks).

Kia Ora very much for the post it was helpful and informative for me and my whanau to learn how to grow our own, I will be sharing this information and the plants with them.


John 3 years ago

Hi. I live in NZ and have just grown and cured 12 plants thanks to your site. My son tells me it doesn't burn easily and his cigarettes keep going out. Have you any tips please to help burning? Thanks


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The Old Firm 2 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi All, I've been off the net for about 8 months, (my computers all died on me and I got fed up with trying to cobble one up from bits so took a break. Eventually bought a denuded desktop for $20 and chucked in some RAM and a hard-drive so here I am again)

John - Try misting your dried leaves with alcohol - , rum, vodka, port or the like before you cut them, - or just dampen the finished product with a fine mist of it. Commercial tobacco has saltpetre (potassium nitrate, the active ingredient of gunpowder) added to keep it burning, but commercial roll your own tobacco tends to go out as well.

BUT, $2 for a lighter once or twice a week is a damn' sight cheaper than $44 a time for 50gm of chemically, genetically, horrifically adulterated muck which WILL keep burning, even if your not getting the benefit of sucking on it!

Cheers,

TOF


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quicksand 2 years ago

Hi TOF, have a great 2014! Sure you will! :)


strontiumv8 2 years ago

Hi TOF,

I tried some of my tobacco following your processes. The problem I had with it is the harsh taste. I am sure that a lot of your subscribers prefer this to commercially grown product, but I don't. How can I get a more commercial flavour to it? I am also spraying it with Bourbon but it is still harsh.

Phil


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The Old Firm 2 years ago from Waikato/Bay Of Plenty, New Zealand Author

Hi quicksand, all the best to you, as well.

Cheers,

TOF.

Hi Phil, you could try picking the leaves a bit sooner, they seem to develop strength with age. Also trying a different variety of seed if you can get it may help (Check around the internet for local suppliers, - you may have some luck with garden centers too, the stuff sold as ornamental is just smoking 'baccy in a flash pot. )

Regards,

TOF


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