War of the Gods

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Photo sent to me in an email from another trucker's wife

Define God

For quite a while now I have seen some very personal attacks in our forums in the Religion topic and it truly saddens me to read many of the posts there. It seems like everyone is so determined to force their beliefs on everyone else that it gets "overheated" and turns into personal attacks.

What I have really been wondering is if anyone is really stopping to think about all the different religions and all the varying definitions of what God can mean to others. Looking at different dictionaries, I have seen several different definitions of the term God. These vary from religion to religion and some religions have many different Gods.

What it all boils down to in my opinion is that God means different things to different people and does not necessarily mean a religious object or entity. God can be anything that you put as #1 in your life. This can range from anything from a supreme being to a statue to worldly goods such as money or objects. Therefore, I can't seem to understand why so many arguments seem to go on forever about what does or does not exist, what is or is not moral and who is right or wrong on the subject.

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Combat Zone

First of all, at the risk of some who may want to personally attack me, I will say that I am a Christian and I am very proud of that fact. I am not a Christian due to any specific religion. I am a Christian through salvation and my relationship with my Lord and Savior.

I do not and should not ever need to defend myself for my beliefs. I do not feel the need to have a scientist prove to me that my God exists. I should not be called names because of what I believe or be subjected to disrespect simply because of my beliefs, nor should I be stereotyped because some who claim to be a Christian are hypocrites.

I do not try to convert others to my beliefs. If they feel the need to ask, I will gladly share. It is not up to me to judge nor condemn anyone. I also do not feel the need to argue with anyone about who is right and who is wrong about my God, their God or anyone else's God. I trust my God in faith as I am sure that everyone else does and I am not here on earth to destroy anyone's faith nor question their reason for their beliefs. In the same sense, others should not try to destroy my faith nor question my reason for my beliefs.

When we begin to attack others for what they believe, this is where all religions divide and resentment steps in. If you will look into most religions, you will find that the basics of good and evil are pretty much the same. While each religion may have totally different worshipping practices or different Gods, the basics are the same.

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Kindness vs Pride

In many of the arguments I have read, it all seems to come down to who is right and who is wrong in the discussion. In all actuality, the entire argument is pretty much useless because you can not sway someone away from their beliefs when they are that strong. I, for one, could never be convinced that my beliefs are wrong and all that I have ever had faith in is a myth so trying to drill my head full of negative comments about Christianity is just your time wasted. The same is true for other religions and beliefs.

If I woke up tomorrow and God said to me, "Bonnie, I am retiring and you can no longer base your life and your morals on my word. You are on your own", I would probably be devastated and a bit lost for a while. But at the end of the day, I would still love others simply because it is the humane thing to do. I would still respect others because it is the humane thing to do. I would still be kind to others because, again, it is the humane thing to do. And I will forgive others because it is the humane thing to do.

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Agree to Disagree

I dream of the day that we can simply agree to disagree on the religion topic since it seems to me that enough enemies have been made and enough lives have been lost in the name of religion. So many times people tend to blame this religion and that for wars and murders when, in fact, it isn't the religion at all. Every religion has its fanatics in one way or another.

Some religious fanatics think that it is their duty to "convert" everyone to their beliefs. Some believe that those who do not believe what they believe should be wiped from the face of the earth. Some even believe that religion itself should be wiped off the earth. These are the type of people who cause the hatred among religions, not the religion itself. In fact, if they truly followed their religion, we wouldn't have the hatred and wars that we have in the name of these religions because their basics are all the same, which is peace, love and harmony. It is when the fanatics decide to take the "conversion of others" to their way of thinking into their own hands and use their religion (or lack of) to justify it that we have those types of problems.

I am not against any religion or belief and I believe that our personal beliefs are sacred to us all. Therefore, we should respect the belief of others no matter what the religion or even if there is no religion or belief in God at all. Myself, I believe that everyone has a God, whether it be a supreme being or an object, simply because everyone has something that is #1 in their life.

With that, I will state my personal opinion on something that I am sure will have the rockets aimed straight for my head from some readers. I can't understand for the life of me how the country (meaning governmental agencies and a few citizens) have turned so much against having God (as in the supreme being) in our society. After all, this country was built on His principles and He is steadily being banned from any and all public places. It seems in today's society, it is acceptable for anyone to take away a plaque of the ten commandments because someone is offended by it. Yet, as a Christian, I am subjected to all sorts of offensive materials and told if I don't like it, don't look or listen. This just seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me. Just one of the things that I personally disagree with.

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Personal Choice

Religion, like hairstyles, attire, tattoos and piercing is a personal choice, not something that should be debated. Nobody has to answer for this choice except the person doing the choosing. Some people believe in Gods, some believe in proven science. That is their choice. Personally, I had rather live my life as if there IS a God only to find out that there isn't than to live as if there isn't only to find out (too late) that there is. That is MY choice!

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allshookup 8 years ago from The South, United States

I can't understand for the life of me how the country (meaning governmental agencies and a few citizens) have turned so much against having God (as in the supreme being) in our society. After all, this country was built on His principles and He is steadily being banned from any and all public places. It seems in today's society, it is acceptable for anyone to take away a plaque of the ten commandments because someone is offended by it. Yet, as a Christian, I am subjected to all sorts of offensive materials and told if I don't like it, don't look or listen. This just seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me. Just one of the things that I personally disagree with.

Well said. It feels like today that we (Christians) are having our rights violated but anything we do is offending everyone else. We are constantly being pushed to be 'politically correct'. That's something I find hard to do. To do that makes me feel as if I am not able to stand up for what I believe but that I should let other people stand for what they believe and take away things I believe. We have moved far away from the country our forefathers founded and what it was founded on. Great hub! Keep up the good work!

Oh yeah, I love the picture of Jesus and the Trucker. My uncle and cousin are long-haul truckers. I want to show them this picture!


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Bonnie Ramsey 8 years ago from United States Author

ASU,

Thanks for taking time to read and post. I just think that it is sad for anyone to be attacked because of their beliefs, be it Christian or any other religion. I feel it is a very personal choice and one that can only be made by each individual. I appreciate your vist! Stop by anytime!

Bonnie


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Inspirepub 8 years ago from Sydney, Australia

Thanks for posting this Hub, Bonnie - it is very timely.

I have a question - are you aware that the US is one of the countries in the world that has religion involved in its political processes and public life the MOST?

Have you ever stopped to wonder how the US citizens who are not Christians feel about having their children indoctrinated in Christian teachings at school, in the media, and in the political process?

If you really think religion IS a personal, individual choice, how can you object to the government moving towards leaving the choice up to each individual, instead of assuming/forcing Christian beliefs for everyone?

It would be nice for you to have your personal, indidivual choice endorsed by the government, but wouldn't it also be nice for the US citizens who are Buddhists to have their personal, individual choice endorsed by the government as well? And the Hindus? And the Wiccans? And the Muslims? And the atheists?

Why should Christians get better or different treatment from a government elected by ALL the people, for ALL the people?

I am genuinely interested in how you reconcile the two sides of what you are saying. I agree with you that it is an individual choice, but to me that implies that the government should stay well out of anything religious.

How is it that you believe religion is an individual choice, and presumably that all are created equal in a democratic society, but also believe the government should do more to support one particular religious group than any others?


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Bonnie Ramsey 8 years ago from United States Author

Hi, Jenny!

Thanks for stopping by and posting. I do believe it is a personal choice and I am not asking the government to "force" anything on anyone. As far as it being taught in schools, that has been taken out a long time ago. What I am speaking of is the fact that many places are banning the display of any religious symbol such as the ten commandments on public property, Christmas tress on public property, things of that nature.

As far as children who are not Christians being taught something in school, what about our right not to have the theory of evolution taught to our Christian children? Is that not forcing my child to learn something against my religion? I can't see that there is any difference in those two as far as something in the school curriculum other than the fact that anyone not wanting to participate in a school prayer or devotional has always had the right not to, even when I went to school, whereas, in order to pass in school, one must participate in the evolution curriculum.

Back to the government "forcing" Christianity...no, I don't believe that they should. My point is that Christians are being restricted as to what can or can not be displayed on public property because it may be "offensive" to others, yet, I am forced every day to deal with many things that are offensive to me in public. All I am saying is that I am just as important as anyone else when it comes to something that offends me. So by these standards, I should have just as much right as a non-Christian to say that I am offended by certain advertisements, billboards and things of that nature and have the government remove them or ban them in the same sense. Equal is equal, right?

As far as one religious group being supported more than any other, my history books tell me that this country was built on the Christian beliefs of our forefathers. Therefore, how is that showing any partiallity to any particular religion any more today than in the history of our country. I very much doubt that you will find any lawmaker, past or present, who is not or was not influenced in some way by his beliefs, be it Christian or otherwise. Our beliefs make us who we are and that, in turn determines our actions. How can you seperate that in any human? And our government is, after all, made up of people, not machines with no views or feelings.

On one hand people say that they don't want someone in office that is a Christian and on the other, tell me that I shouldn't "not" vote for someone because of their religion since it has nothing to do with how they represent our country. I am sorry but it does. Always has and always will because, again, our beliefs determine who we are and that influences the actions of the humans that make up our government.

The way it is going right now, Christians will soon be told that they can no longer hold candle light vigils in public places simply because someone may drive by and be offended. Well, I am sorry but I am offended on a daily basis by many non-Christian things allowed in public and I, for now at least, do still have the same rights as others.


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Storytellersrus 8 years ago from Stepping past clutter

The United States has the most variety of religious organizations in the world!  See http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html 

I  believe that is exciting.  It reminds me of the story of the blind men trying to define the elephant... as they stood around it and touched it, one thought the elephant was a tail, one a trunk, one an ear, one a leg.  None of them were completely right. 

This story also informs me about why we have separation of church and state in this country.  You could get a rabid religious group intent on forcing everyone to believe what they believed, and yet, that group's vision considers only one aspect of God.


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Bonnie Ramsey 8 years ago from United States Author

Thanks for stopping by, Storyteller!

I agree that it is great to have many people from so many religions in our country. I also agree that you can get rabid groups in any religion. There have even been many who claim to be God themselves. (I certainly know a few who think of themselves as such lol). Thanks so much for stopping by and sharing this with us.


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Tyhill27 8 years ago from Red Deer, Alberta

This is a Very Good Hub!!!! Thanks and I think you will like my new hub titled "The Key to a Unified Family of God" Let me know what you think of it. If you have the time please let me know what you think! I very much support yours


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Moulik Mistry 6 years ago from Burdwan, West Bengal, India

I am a non-believer, yet I liked the article - very well written and thought provoking...


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Eileen Hughes 6 years ago from Northam Western Australia

Hi, loved your hub and very true. No one should push another persons beliefs down their throat. We all have a choice and that choice should be a personal one for our own reasons.

Sometimes people in the forums get carried away. I have learned to ignore hurtful critiscm now although it took me ages to get passed that (about 50 years) thats my problem though. Great hub thanks for sharing this.


carl krebs 3 years ago

i believe much the same as you do and fully see what you are saying . i do not understand it either bonnie . all our heritage is who we are . from start to finish , live and let live . thank you for sharing .


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L.M. Hosler 3 years ago

Good hub and some good discussions. I am also a Christian and a lot of things that are happening in public places offends me. I do believe as you do, that whatever religion we each choose is personal. But our country was founded on Christian beliefs and I still think that is what is right. Others come to our country for its freedoms such as religion but then try to change our beliefs and that is wrong. They are entitled to what they choose to belief but so are we as Christians.

As for the evolution theory, I attended college a few years back and one of the courses more or less taught this theory. So in one of the discussions, I brought up the fact that if humans evolved from apes, why has there never been a single documented case. Why do we still have apes, which still have baby apes? No one has ever witnessed this so called evolution take place. Therefore, I will continue to believe in God a power like non other.

I also very much liked the trucker photo.

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