Bubblews Final Review: Time To Say Goodbye

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It's all over! Bubblews has shut down

On 11/15/2015 the following appeared on the Bubblews site:

Greetings,

After being up and running for almost 3 years now we regrettably need to inform you that we will be shutting Bubblews.com down. The climate for display advertising has drastically changed and made it impossible for us to sustain the business model and operations.

We want to thank everyone that was a part of this journey. We wish you all the very best.

–Bubblews

In typical Bubblews fashion, the shutdown occurred without warning, and without allowing contributors opportunity to retrieve their posts. If you try to access any of your articles, you get a 404 error.

So, this is indeed a final goodbye to Bubblews.

Note: You may be able to recover some of your Bubblews posts.
See
How To Recover And Reuse Your Bubblews Articles

My original article, written prior to the shutdown, follows:

This will be my fourth article about my experience as a Bubblews user. I expect it will be my last. It’s time for me to say a final goodbye to Bubblews.

Why?

For me, the final straw was laid on the back of the Bubblews camel when it seemed I wouldn't be able to delete my existing posts.

My inability to delete my Bubblews articles raised concerns

At the height of my participation in Bubblews I had 770 articles posted. Then, in November of 2014, the site made the unilateral decision to withhold money legitimately earned by writers (saying the funds to make those payments “never existed”). That’s when I began to delete articles. I started with those I felt I could quickly transfer to other sites. That first wave of deletions left me with 622 articles on Bubblews.

But when I went back to the site a few days ago to begin deleting additional articles, I found that although there is a “Delete” icon, it didn't work for me.

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Clicking it took me back to the front page of the site, thereby giving the impression that the article was removed. But it was still there. I had seen comments from other users on the site about not being able to delete their articles, so it seemed that the site was not allowing deletions.

But after being alerted by readers that some had been able to delete articles, I did some more checking and discovered that for some inexplicable reason deletes done under the Firefox browser did not work, while deletes succeeded if the browser was Chrome.

But that false alarm about being able to delete my articles prompted me to check out the Bubblews terms of service concerning deletions. I found that even if they are allowing deletions now, they claim the right to refuse to do so at their option.

The Bubblews Terms of Service now give them perpetual rights to your work

Although most users are probably unaware of it, Bubblews has made a highly significant alteration in their Terms of Service. Despite there being a statement on the Bubblews TOS page saying “These are the terms of service for UserVoice, the service that powers this support portal, not for Bubblews itself,” it’s clear that the listed terms are binding on Bubblews users.

Here’s what these new terms of service have to say about content posted on the Bubblews site (emphasis is mine):

  • You give the party (the “Account Holder”) who owns the domain name [Bubblews] …a non-exclusive, royalty-free, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully-sublicensable license to publish and use your Content. In addition to the right to publish, you also grant the Account Holder under said license the following rights, without limitation: (i) the right to reproduce or copy or create derivative works thereof; (ii) the right to transfer, deliver, and sell the Content…
  • You understand that the Account Holder has no obligation, either express or implied, to develop or use your Content and that no compensation is due to you or anyone else for any inadvertent or intentional use of your Content…
  • You hereby irrevocably release and forever discharge the Company and all Account Holders…from any and all actions, causes of actions, claims, damages, liabilities and demands…which you now have or hereafter can, shall or may have against the Released Parties or their respecting successors and assigns with respect to the Content…

In other words,

Bubblews now claims the right to use a writer’s work for as long as they choose, in any way they choose, with absolutely no obligation to pay the writer anything at all for their work. And the writer has absolutely no right to legally contest whatever use Bubblews may choose to make of their work.

Bubblews essentially asserts co-ownership of my work

What particularly disturbed me about the way Bubblews made this massively significant modification in its TOS, is that I, as a user, was not advised that any such change was imminent, and was given no opportunity to remove my content before the new terms of service were put into effect. From my perspective, Bubblews surreptitiously and unilaterally changed the terms of the agreement it had with me in a way that deprives me of control over my own work, and did so in a manner that ensured I would have no recourse.

Under the new terms of service, Bubblews can do anything with my content that I can do, including changing it, building on it, republishing it, or selling it, and all without my consent or even knowledge.

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In my previous reviews of Bubblews I drew attention to my belief that the major issue affecting the site was its lack of integrity in the treatment of its writers. This change in the TOS is, in my opinion, a stark example of the truth of that characterization.

Reasons to leave Bubblews once and for all

Finding that Bubblews had taken a significant amount of control over my content without even notifying me led me to do some additional investigation into the state of affairs at the site. What I found is, to me, profoundly disturbing.

There are three major issues I found in my examination that, for me, now disqualify Bubblews as a site in which I should invest any of my time.

  1. They continue to treat users with a lack of integrity.
  2. They continue a pattern of paying some of their writers while not paying others.
  3. The site appears to be basically on autopilot, receiving no attention from management

Let’s examine each of these issues in more detail.

Bubblews lacks integrity in the way they deal with users

This issue is exemplified by the way the site changed its terms of service, to the detriment of writers, without notifying them, and without giving them a chance to opt out.

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This, however, is hardly new behavior on the part of the Bubblews management team. They have demonstrated throughout the site's history a pattern of making unilateral, apparently arbitrary decisions concerning their obligations to users without notifying them of what was being done or why.

For example, the site has received numerous complaints that it closed users’ accounts, thereby relieving itself of the obligation to pay any monies owed, without notification, without explanation of the reasons (beyond claiming there had been some unspecified violation of the terms of service), and without providing the user an opportunity to take corrective action.

In my opinion, Bubblews’ reputation for unethical behavior is well deserved.

Bubblews continues a pattern of failing to pay some writers what they are owed

I saw a number of comments from writers on the site complaining of lack of payment (redemption) of money they were due. Here’s a sampling:

  • “I have been sending tickets and email without any reply (except 1) searching for my redemption from May 14, 2015.” (Posted in August, 2015).
  • “It has been over 90 days since I redeemed and nothing.”
  • “Nope, not been paid - getting on for 6 months now. Kissed it goodbye.”

Some users were elated when Bubblews appointed a moderator (screen name @Nameless), hoping that she would be able to facilitate their getting paid. It soon became evident, however, that the moderator was not in the loop as far as payments were concerned. At one point she posted that she couldn’t say how long it would take to receive payments, adding, “If I do learn anything definite that I can pass on I will update.”

Eventually the moderator stopped posting on the site, prompting questions of “where is @Nameless.” She returned for what so far appears to be a final post, saying,

I wish too that I could belay everyone's fears for the fate of this website but that is impossible as I have had no communication from the top. I believe they may only be waiting to see how well Bubblews holds up on its own before making any further decisions as to its fate. As to whether or not I will return in my position that remains to be seen.

That brings us to my final major reason for leaving the site for good:

Bubblews management appears to have abandoned the site

A frequent complaint I saw voiced by users is that the site appears to be running on autopilot. Not only do writers get no response to their queries to Admin, but there has been no communication from the site management for some time. At the time of this writing, co-founder and CEO Arvind Dixit’s latest post is four months old.

Many of the writers whose comments I saw voiced the fear that this lack of management visibility portends the demise of the site. “No communication from the top spells disaster,” one said.

Moderator @Nameless was pretty clear in her appraisal of the current state of the site:

[Bubblews management] may only be waiting to see how well Bubblews holds up on its own before making any further decisions as to its fate.

— Bubblews Moderator

That’s hardly a recipe for confidence in the future of the site.

Do you personally think it's time to leave Bubblews for good?

  • Yes - There's no reason to stay there
  • No - It has it's faults, but I still enjoy it
  • I don't use Bubblews
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The lack of integrity at Bubblews is reason enough to leave

One relevant consideration I didn’t bother to mention is the fact that earnings on the site are extremely meager. One writer lamented that she had written numerous posts over an 8-1/2 month period, earning a grand total of $23. Even if payment were assured, for most people it’s just not worth the effort.

But for me, neither that nor any of the other practical issues are the main consideration. Any faith I may once have had that Bubblews might evolve into a site that could be trusted to deal with writers in an ethical manner has been totally shattered. From now on, as far as I’m concerned, it matters little what they say or promise. Past history shows, in my opinion, that they are not to be trusted.

I won’t be posting any more articles on Bubblews. For me, it’s time to leave.

Goodbye Bubblews!
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© 2015 Ronald E. Franklin

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B. Leekley profile image

B. Leekley 12 months ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

I'm not surprised that the unethical behavior of the owners of Bubblews continued to worsen. One option for you is to turn your old Bubblews posts into self-published ebooks. Do you still post to Persona Paper?


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Carola Finch 12 months ago from Ontario, Canada

I can't believe that they are not allowing people to delete their content - grrr. That is a flagrant violation of the author's rights. Not paying people is bad enough. I hope the darn thing closes soon.


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eugbug 12 months ago from Ireland

As far as I understand it, in general, most sites in their TOS, as part of the user agreement reserve the right to basically do what they like (within reason) with user content. On HubPages the TOS says:

"You grant HubPages a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license, for as long as Your Hub is displayed on HubPages and for a commercially reasonable time thereafter, to reproduce, publicly display, publicly perform, distribute, modify, adapt and publish the Hub Content solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting Your Hub on or in connection with the Service."

Now this is all very reasonable, and the important point is that we can modify or delete our content and we aren't selling our soul to the devil. I had the same issue with Wikihow as you have with Bubblews, they published my content and when I went to delete it, they wouldn't let me. Even though I own the copyright, they can now do what they like about it and users have changed an article to the extent that it bears no resemblance to the original. The annoying thing is that the article gets lots of views, but it's not permitted to add any backlinks after going to the trouble of posting on their site. (I sneaked in a QR code on a photo to my profile here which they didn't notice!). So Wikihow is another site to avoid.


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Becky Puetz 12 months ago from Oklahoma

Thanks for the warnings. Sorry you've been through so much trying to deal with bubbleviews. I and many of the long-timers had a similar experience with eHow years ago. Even after all these years the nicest thing I can say about ehow is they are the lowest form of thieves and shysters. The one good thing that did come out of writing for ehow for all those years is the fact that I still have a relationship with some of the ehow refugees and we still talk about ehow scars and wounds LOL....


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Hi, B. Leekley. Thanks for the ebook suggestion, I'm looking at it. Yes, I still publish on PersonaPaper; I've also just started on myLot, which looks good so far.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Carola, IMO refusing to allow writers to remove their content is one of the worst sins a site can commit, especially if that was not made clear to the writer up front. The chances of B closing down are looking more and more likely.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

eugbug, as you note, the key difference between the Bubblews TOS and that of Hubpages is in the words "perpetual" and "irrevocable." On HP we can revoke their authority to use our work at any time, so it remains totally ours. Bubblews, on the other hand, has really claimed joint ownership of my content - they can do with my work basically anything I can do with it. I would never have posted on Bbl at all if these had been the TOS at the time I signed up. Thanks for the warning about Wikihow.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thanks, Becky. I have just joined myLot, and see a lot of Bubblews refugees there. Pretty soon there'll probably be a Bubblews Alumni Assn there!


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DzyMsLizzy 12 months ago from Oakley, CA

I resisted writing there for a long time, due to negative reports here in the forums.

Finally, one user here, whom I trust, convinced me it was legit, and I signed up. I wrote quite a few 'bubbles,' I think over 200, and I got a single payment JUST in the nick of time before they announced the 'not paying anymore' fiasco.

I stopped writing there at that point, and have meant to take down my posts, but things (like LIFE) kept getting in the way, and it also seemed like more trouble than it was worth, as I didn't post anything of great substance there.

Now, with reading your hub that they have eliminated that ability, I see it's too late to do anything about it. Oh, well. Live and learn. I guess I should have trusted and stuck with my own initial instincts and feelings based on so many negative comments.

I am not at all sure that what they have done is legal, and cannot be challenged, but it would take someone willing to take on a class action suit. To suddenly claim ownership of contributor's work, with NO advance notice, essentially violating the authors' copyrights to their own work is, as you point out, at the very least unethical. But I also think it might be illegal.

What a shame.


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MsDora 12 months ago from The Caribbean

Seems that you made the right decision. That issue about management owing your work and using it as they please is atrocious. If they have abandoned that site, where could they use the articles? Hmmmm! You may need to employ Crime Watch!

I posted a few articles on there about 2 years ago, but didn't stay long. If they were organized, I couldn't see it. Thanks for the update!


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

DzyMsLizzy, if what Bubblews has done is not illegal, it ought to be! But I think they are counting on the fact that mounting a legal challenge would be far more costly than any possible gain. So, they are probably safe. I have to admit that I underestimated the lengths to which they would go in taking advantage of their users. At one time I gave them the benefit of the doubt about being deliberately scammy. No more!


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

MsDora, I think the site is still producing income for them. They seem to be paying writers practically nothing for views brought in by search engines, but they get the benefit of the ad revenue from those pages. I wish Crime Watch could help!


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emge 12 months ago from Abu Dhabi

This is sad as it was a trail blazer. i earned a lot of money but left the site long back


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

emge, with you I'd have to say I did pretty well for a while there. And yes, Bubblews was the inspiration for new sites that tried to follow its model, but treat writers as they deserved. Sadly, many of those sites are now struggling as well.


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kalinin1158 12 months ago from California

Hi Ron! I relate to your frustration with Bubblews. I actually left a long time ago but left most of my posts on the site, as an experiment. Logging in 3, 5 and then full 12 months later, I discovered that my bank didn't move a cent! So I then, logically, decided to delete everything I've ever written there, along with my account.

So I've encountered the same problem you mentioned - pressing the delete button just kicks you back to the front page. But I still found the way to delete - you have to press edit first, then delete. Let me know if that works for you. Cheers!


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Hi, kalinin1158. No, I've still not been able to get delete to work. I went into Edit mode, but there is no delete button I could find there. I tried posting a change from edit mode, them coming back out and clicking delete. Still didn't take. Maybe they've changed it since you did it. BTW, edit does work, which means you can change the content to something different from your actual article. But I didn't want to say that in the hub in case they saw it and decided to close that loophole.


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Snowsprite 12 months ago from Cornwall, UK

I was horrified to read this. Though I should not have been surprised. The question is can they legally do this to writing that was already there and if you have not agreed to the new terms. Surely the previous writing would or should remain under the original terms. I wonder if you get your account deleted would that then delete your articles?


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andyoz 12 months ago from UK

I joined up with Bubblews right at the start and was amazed how much they were paying. For a few months I was earning really well. Then I made the mistake of writing a Bubble that went viral. It was getting 15,000 hits a day! This is when the payments stopped. I wrote several emails complaining and actually got a reply for Arvind himself. They said the payment had stopped as they asumed the view numbers were fake. However, they later verified that they were actual views that should have been paid. So Arvind promised me they would pay me, they sent me $50 and despite repeated emails and complaints I never got another cent from them. I think they owed me around $1500 by the time I removed my Bubble and shut my account down. They are a bunch of cheats and liars over there and it's no suprise the site has gone the way it has.


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Carola Finch 12 months ago from Ontario, Canada

The delete worked for me. Just cleared about everything off my page. I too logged in and found that my bank had not changed after a year. I notice Bubblews make it impossible to find out how to contact them in order to delete the account. Am glad that part of it is over. Hopefully, if they find my skeleton, they will delete it.


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Craftypicks 12 months ago from Las Vegas

I stopped writing on there over a year ago. Although I leave 46 dollars in the bank and 100 dollars owed, I see no reason to continue giving them any sort of effort.


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Rock_nj 12 months ago from New Jersey

Wow! That's horrible Ronald. Thanks for the heads up regarding the Bubblews trainwreck. Can you delete your account? What would happen to your articles if you deleted your account?


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Snowsprite 12 months ago from Cornwall, UK

Are you sure that is the case? I have just been on deleting mine and have copied the url to make sure. It does go. It looks greyed out but doesn't open so it is deleting them?


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CloudExplorer 12 months ago from New York City

That truly sucks Bubblews has gone down the drain. I will scoop up my articles there as I know they will either sell it off to another dumb company or kill it completely. So I suggest for everyone to copy their articles they wrote onto Bubblews if you haven't already.

Once they pull the plug we should be okay after about a week or so to post them elsewhere my plans are to do so on TSU. That's if they do away with the site altogether. Such a sad way to go! But it's the online choke hold reality of startups that just didn't make the cut.


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CorneliaMladenova 12 months ago from Cork, Ireland

Thank God, I did not join Bubblews. Now I see that it was the rightest possible decision :)


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RGraf 12 months ago from Wisconsin

I had the same thing with the Examiner. When I left, I couldn't take my content and they removed my name as the author. That was the worst. Plus in writing an article, it took weeks to get it published as there was always some reason I had to rewrite or change a picture. And then they'd flag one as not good enough without telling me and then I had to find it and try to 'fix' it.


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FatFreddysCat 12 months ago from The Garden State

Wow! Just when I think Bubblews can't get any shadier, they pull a new dirty trick out of their hat. I quit writing for "B" at the end of 2013 and thankfully I deleted all of my posts from there earlier this year. Sorry they stuck it to you.


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Robert Sacchi 12 months ago

Sorry for your misfortune. Do you have an ability to edit your content?


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Vivenda 12 months ago from UK (South Coast)

I've been hanging on in there because, although I'm aware the whole thing is a shambles, I enjoy the interaction with other "bubblers". I've only just heard that it's not possible to delete posts and that, in effect, they can use the posts as they want to. Hmm - probably time to quit! I'm signed up with a couple of similar sites, so at least I'll be able to keep in contact with some people.


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TLStahling 12 months ago

I left Bubblews when I had $46.00 in my account. I was trying to get it to the $50 pay out but the pay per view, etc. was extremely low. It was a waste of time; especially since the payout was shady. Cut my losses and moved on.


Ketage 12 months ago

Yikes, I have 850 posts on bubblews, many of my older posts were tutorials, I seriously hope I can delete them :O I am gonna go and try to delete some posts now.


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Carola Finch 12 months ago from Ontario, Canada

To delete your Bubblews articles, click on the three dots at the bottom of the article for the option to delete your articles. I found the quickest way was to right click on the article icon on the profile page and click on "open in a new tab." I do a bunch of them, and then delete each article. Every time I delete an article, the home page comes up, so I delete that too. You have to leave the page (i.e. go to notifications) and come back to the profile page to see a refreshed version with your stuff deleted. I had about 400 posts myself, and it took me about two hours to delete everything, including profile info.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thanks, Carola. I went back and tried deleting again, and got the same results. Then, because of your comment, I changed browsers and this time it took. Turns out that for me, at least, the delete does not work under Firefox, but does under Chrome. It's not a matter of refreshing the browser after the delete - under Firefox it really does not delete it. In any case, I'll update the hub to reflect this.


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Mel Carriere 12 months ago from San Diego California

I bailed a while ago. Unlike you, I unfortunately only managed to retrieve one article as I was going out the door. Sucks because I had some good stuff on there that I cringe when thinking it now belongs to Arvind and his hoodlums. Now I can't even log on. Great hub, and congratulations on your hub pages award, by the way.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

EVERYONE, I found that I am able to delete using Chrome instead of Firefox. Why that's the case I have no idea, but I've updated the article to that effect.


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eugbug 12 months ago from Ireland

Hi Ron, just to confirm, I can't delete using Firefox either.


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Kimberleyclarke 12 months ago from England

Great article, thank you Ron. I missed out on the big Bubblews bubble, and only recently signed up there. It is a nice place to keep my short thoughts, I'm using it like an online diary of sorts. However, your article has given me food for thought on the 'ownership' of my work, so thank you.


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FatFreddysCat 12 months ago from The Garden State

Hi again Ron - your article reminded me that although I deleted my posts from Bubblews some time ago, my profile was still on their site, so I just went back to get rid of that. The only way to delete one's account, apparently, is by submitting a "support ticket" requesting deletion. Bubblews sez that once my request is processed I'll get an e-mail confirming my deletion, but to be honest I won't be holding my breath while I wait for it... haha


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Robert Sacchi 12 months ago

Could you change your profile so it advertises other sites where you have your writings?


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thanks, eugbug, for verifying that.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thanks, Kimberley. I hope you keep backups of your Bubblews posts. Given their history, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up one morning to the news that the site shut down without warning, and all the articles posted there were now inaccessible.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

FatFreddysCat, I saw that about a support ticket to close your account. I don't know how responsive they are, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Robert Sacchi, did you mean here or on Bubblews? In any case, your comment is a good reminder that I should update my profile here. Thanks.


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Robert Sacchi 12 months ago

I meant Bubblews. The idea is if an unwanted profile can't be deleted at least edit it so the profile is of some use to you.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Robert, the point is now moot - Bubblews is no more. The ax has fallen, and the site is closed. Unfortunately they handled this as they did everything else - with no prior notice, and no care for their users who will lose everything posted to the site if it's not backed up. Bubblews was Bubblews until the very end.


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Carola Finch 12 months ago from Ontario, Canada

Just saw that Bubblews is no more. Can't say I am surprised. Feel sorry for people who lost all their work. Fortunately, I always create articles in Word first before posting them anywhere. That way, whatever happens, I have copies. Many of my articles are evergreen, so I can revise them and post them elsewhere. I don't think that my articles got many reads outside the bubble, so that means an income boost for me.


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Craftypicks 12 months ago from Las Vegas

That's really messed up. They owe payout to people and the articles.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Carola, I wrote most of my Bubblews posts directly into their editor. But some time ago I became so concerned that they would leave users hanging if they shut down, I actually wrote an app to copy my 700+ articles to my computer. But, I'm sure you are right that there are many users who have lost everything they posted there.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Craftypicks, you are correct: the way they've stiffed writers is not right, but it's so like Bubblews. I have to say that I'm not surprised.


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Carola Finch 12 months ago from Ontario, Canada

Ironic that I removed all my articles on Bubblews early Sunday morning and deleted most of my profile. I bet that if disgruntled writers decided to sue for the money owed them the place would go into bankruptcy, if it has not already. Lose - Lose for writers. Fortunately they only owe me about $12. Am glad it is over.


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Snowsprite 12 months ago from Cornwall, UK

I had started to remove my articles after reading this post, but didn't get most of them before the shut down. It was on the cards from when they started to treat people badly, you can't treat people like that and expect them to stay. I hadn't written for them for ages but they owed me $29.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Snowsprite, I hope you were able to get your important posts before the shutdown. BTW, we have something in common - they owed me $29 as well.


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Glenn Stok 12 months ago from Long Island, NY

I guess I was lucky. I quickly deleted all my posts on Bubblews back when Arvind refused to pay and canceled requests for pending redemptions. Since I deleted my posts before he changed the policy allowing him to keep rights, it doesn't apply to me. Also since I have it on file with the BBB.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Glenn, I'm pretty confident that Arvind has already put Bubblews out of his mind as much as he can. So, I think the rights they claimed over our content are moot... UNLESS they figure out a way to sell those rights and the articles to someone else. But who would want to purchase the ashes of Bubblews?


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Glenn Stok 12 months ago from Long Island, NY

Ron, In reference to your reply above - yes, you have a good point. But maybe he wants to use the good stuff he finds among the ashes. With someone like that one never knows what he has up his sleeve. Maybe he wants to have the opportunity to sue in case anyone republishes their Bubblews posts.


Mills P 12 months ago from East Chicago, Indiana

I only stayed because of the fellow writers I liked, many of whom I came to know when we were with Epinions. I stopped making an effort, though, to post the same sort of reviews I post here on HubPages. The days of great pay - or any at all for online writing - are done, I believe.


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Gina145 12 months ago from South Africa

I stopped posting at Bubblews at the beginning of 2015, making one brief return during which I wrote two posts, but never got very far with deleting my posts. This change to their Terms of Service is really disturbing as I had hoped to reuse some of my content.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Glenn, the TOS wouldn't give Arvind any rights to restrict writers' use of their material. What it gives him is the right to do whatever he wants with it. That means, we could find our content being published all over the web and not be able to do anything about it. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that with the demise of the site that was the only reason why we supposedly gave him publishing rights, any claim he had would no longer be valid. But maybe that makes too much sense to be accepted in a court.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Mills P, I found that many of those who stayed on the site did so more because they liked the community than from any expectation of making significant money. Another group was just trying to make payout before leaving.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Gina145, now that they have shut down, all our articles are off-line. Presumably they'll soon be de-indexed by Google and other search engines. So, if you have copies of your material, I'd say you'll be free to use it elsewhere as soon as it stops showing up in search. The sad thing is, if you didn't keep or download copies of your content, it's too late now.


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Glenn Stok 12 months ago from Long Island, NY

Ron, I'm not an attorney either. But an attorney once told me that working after policy changes shows agreement to, and acceptance of, those changes. So anyone who stopped writing on Bubblews when the policy changes were posted would not be subject to those terms. Maybe an attorney can chime in to verify that.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

EVERYONE:

For a method of possibly retrieving some of your Bubblews posts see:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/134042


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Carolyn2008 12 months ago from Boston

You are on point with all of your comments. I left them long ago for the reasons you stated. Another reason to stay on Hubpages.


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Kimberleyclarke 12 months ago from England

An excellent piece. And oh, thank you, thank you for the retrieval tips!!!


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thanks, Carolyn2008. IMO as a writing site Bubblews was never in the same league as HP.


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RonElFran 12 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Thank you, Kimberley. Those retrieval tips are a good tool to have in a writer's toolbox for any site.


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swalia 11 months ago

I stopped writing on Bubblews when my pending payments reached almost 600$ which were never paid. The site was good till it was paying timely but then the downfall started.


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RonElFran 11 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

swalia, I'm sorry to say that your experience was far from unique. They showed no concern for treating their writers justly, and long before the shutdown were failing to pay what was owed. Interestingly, I see no evidence that they filed bankruptcy. I guess that means on some level those monies are still owed.


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Craftypicks 11 months ago from Las Vegas

They kept changing their address. I think at the end they owed me 150.00. I stopped writing for them long ago. Once they became behind. For a while they were good. Back when they paid out at 25 I would get a regular check every 3 days. That went on for a long time. Once they bumped it up and lowered the pay I stopped. At the end I think I went nearly 6 months or more without earning a dollar. It was a waste of time. I also didn't like what they did to the site. I used to do a lot of tutorals and they gave no warning before they cut the photos out. That ruined the tutorial. They also hid how much traffic an article had. You had no way of knowing what type of traffic you had off of Bubblews. I had a lot of pinterest links. I had bubbles that would be hit on. I had full payments from some of them. Once they started hiding traffic that stopped. Shady!


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RonElFran 10 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Craftypicks, my opinion is that Bubblews never showed any real concern for those who put time and effort into writing for them. When they stopped showing view counts it was clear that they would no longer pay for views (and, as I show in another hub, it's clear they couldn't possibly afford to do so). But they were never honest about what they were doing. That's my biggest gripe - Bubblews was managed with a breath-taking lack of integrity, and, I'm sorry to say, deserved to die.


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Sparrowlet 8 months ago from Massachusetts, USA

I had my suspicions about Bubblews when I first signed on, and your article has, sadly, confirmed my worst fears. Oh well, I didn't put much on there anyhow, and saved my best material for hubpages. Very good article, an eye-opener.


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RonElFran 8 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Sparrowlet, part of the Bubblews tragedy is that there were many writers there who continued to believe in them to the end. The callous disregard Bubblews showed for people who gave them not only their time and talent, but also their loyalty is nothing less than appalling. Although many writers lost hundreds, even thousands of dollars that was owed them, I believe the web is a better place without Bubblews. Thanks for reading and sharing.


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Gregory Vic 7 months ago

Brother, I hear you. Bubblews was my safe haven and a very good source of passive income. I had over a thousand articles on that site. Very sad for it go bust. They even deleted my old account and I had to start over. Then the bust happened.


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RonElFran 7 months ago from Mechanicsburg, PA Author

Gregory Vic, I also really liked Bubblews when I first started. It was great being able to post short, personal pieces that didn't require much research. And my personal experience with them was not bad - up until the very end I received all my redemptions except one. But, IMO, their lack of integrity in the way they treated many of their writers doomed them. I can't even feel sorry for their demise. Thanks for sharing.

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