George Zimmerman Found NOT GUILTY In The Murder Of Trayvon Martin

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Introduction

On Saturday July 13, 2013 a jury of six women, of whom five were white, found George Zimmerman Not Guilty of murdering seventeen year old Trayvon Martin.

This has been an extremely interesting case in the last few weeks, but now has become racial. Because the jurors decided that twenty nine year old George Zimmerman acted in self defense, when he shot seventeen year old Trayvon Martin. An unarmed young black man near his home.

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Evidence

Even though there has been three weeks of evidence, the prosecuting attorney as well as the defense attorney have not been able to come up with enough evidence to help the jury decide if George Zimmerman committed the crime of murder, or did not commit the crime of murder.

The jury decided, because of the "Lack of evidence" that George Zimmerman was therefore "Not Guilty"

There was some evidence, but the newspapers, as well as Television Stations reported it as "Conflicting Evidence" Perhaps some was true, perhaps some was not. Maybe people were just confused.

Many people heard screams for help, then the fire of a shot gun.

George Zimmerman told the jury, that he shot Trayvon Martin in self defense. Because a black man had been walking around his neighborhood. Since George Zimmerman was part of the block watch, he felt he needed to keep an eye on this man. George Zimmerman started to follow him. In George Zimmerman's version, Trayvon Martin attacked him, broke his nose, then pushed him to the ground, and began to pound him in the face, and the ribs. So, George Zimmerman had to shoot him, in self defense.

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Other evidence

The defense was questioning George Zimmerman, how could he allow a seventeen year old teenager to get on top of him and start pounding him in the ribs, and the face. His answer was that Trayvon Martin was able to knock him down, then pounce on him. A young man, can move very fast. Maybe Martin had special fighting skills

Others, have told the jury that it was George Zimmerman who was on top of Travyon Martin. George Zimmerman was larger then Trayvon Martin, as well as the one who was following Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman was proud that he was one of the neighborhood's watchmen. However, the only person he ever followed was Trayvon Martin. Why was this young man the only person that Zimmerman ever followed? Was the reason that Zimmerman followed Martin, is that Martin had black skin?

Witness

One of the witnesses, Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin, told the jury that Martin was afraid of a "Creepy-ass cracker" who was following him. He also told her, that the man disappeared, the suddenly reappeared. What I found interesting, when I read this report, was when the report described Rachel Jeantel, the report described her as a nineteen year old Miami woman who was still in high school, and was unable to read cursive writing. What does the inability to read cursive writing have to do with this case?

Her description of Trayvon Martin was very different. He was her friend. She knew his family. He had friends, loved his family, and smiled a lot. In her eyes he was normal. Just a teenage boy.

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After being found not guilty

A protest march was started in California, just a few hours after the first news report, that George Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder of Trayvon Martin. There have been several protests, most of them have been peaceful, but a few have had small acts of vandalism. Some people have started fire in the streets, while others have spray painted anti-police graffiti on police cars.

Roslyn M. Brock, who is the the chairman of the NAACP said, in a statement " We call immediately for the Justice department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against Trayvon Martin."

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Summary

The fact that George Zimmerman was found not guilty has shown us that racism is alive and well in the United States. The author of this hub believes that racial profiling is very active, and many people are racist, but they hide it.

Racism is growing, I have written several hubs about racism, it is a horrible thing, and many people suffer pain from it. Our blood is read, our bones are white, and our brains are gray. Why does the color of our skin make us different? It should not.

Do you think if Zimmerman was black, and Martin were white, Zimmerman would have been found guilty?

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ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

The only persons using the "race card" is the racists themselves. Sometimes people feel so entitled they think they can manifulate the system in whichever way they deem fit to garner an outcome. Perhaps GZ was profiling while following TM, but didn't the neighborhood just have a few burgarlies in which supposedly African American teens had been suspected. It is true this is a free country, and TM had every right to walk through any neighborhood he pleased, but GZ also had a right to be wary given the recent events which had taken place in his neighborhood. It is unfortunate situation, and honestly, I feel both GZ and TM were both guilty of their own misgivings ... this is a situation in which we must move beyond with a valuable lesson. Most people will now think twice about underestimating their situation no matter which position they find themselves in ... don't look for trouble, just call the police, and try to walk away


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

ziyena You are right, he should have just called the police. But, the problem with this one, is it is going to cause a lot of problems. People are angry. That anger is not going away, the news is going to feed it.


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ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

I'm really so tired of it all. Now I'm going to make a statement here and I hope that I don't offend anyone but enough is enough. In my opinion it is the liberal agenda which keeps spouting racism, a means to keep control of the demographics to garner votes. The "race card" doesn't work with me anymore, maybe twenty years ago, but times have changed. As a white person who voted for Obama during the first election (biggest mistake I've ever made because of his socialist values), and as someone who grew up in a military culture where your friends were of every color, I am disgusted with the media, and the democratic party who tries to keep up with negative sensationalism.

We have an African American president, the entertainment industry is full of sucessful African Americans, Jay Z, Beyonce, Rhianna, Jamie Foxx, Tyler Perry (whose movies I adore!) and so many others who dominate the cultural scene, and everywhere I look in my working enviroment, African Americans hold managerial positions in which they lead, and there so many other situations I could refer to, but what it all boils down to is that there are those few African Americans who are Embittered, who can't figure out how to better themselves like their own sucsessful counterparts, and so they try and speak for the rest who have moved beyond an old wound from our history's past, which NONE of US as Americans were ever a party to, and all they can do is cry racism. Times have changed for the better, especially for African Americans, and those who can't let go of the past ... you're gonna have to get over it, we're all tired of it.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I do hope you are correct, but I just don't agree with you.


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ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

Fair enough. Thanks for the discussion ... keep on writing! :)


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ChristinS 3 years ago from Midwest

I get real tired of "liberal" being thrown around as though it is a dirty word. There is no agenda in seeking justice and equality for ALL people - and if that's a liberal "agenda" so be it. Guess what? We liberals have just as much right to live here as conservatives do and we all love this country also. This was not political. Did the media sensationalize it? yes. They would have sensationalized the case regardless if an armed man stalked and killed an unarmed youth period. How does that make it a democrat issue? good grief.

As for this case, was it racist - yes and no. I do believe that GZ was a racist and was profiling TM because of his skin color. I believe he did not exercise good judgment and followed this kid putting himself in harms way. He was negligent - yes. I also believe TM had just as much right to "stand his ground" as did Zimmerman. I also believe TM made a racist comment himself and that racism is in no way a one way street and is something that all of us as a society have to face and work on. It's not just whites that are capable of racism.

I agree wholeheartedly that had this been reversed (a black man shooting a white/hispanic unarmed kid) the verdict would have been different in Florida because there is - like it or not - a marked racism that still plagues the deep south. Had it occurred in another location - I can't say for sure.

My biggest fear here is not racism it is vigilantism. The fact that this court more or less just condoned people running around pretending to be cops etc. The last thing we need is wannabe heroes running around taking the law into their own hands. This will happen regardless of race etc. Any loon with a gun will now think it's acceptable to stalk people who "look suspicious" and potentially kill them and claim self-defense. We will have unstable people trying to get "stand your ground" laws passed everywhere to justify their paranoid fears and will soon return to the wild west. THAT is where my fear lies. It's time to stop the insanity and address the social problems that affect all of us - and that means looking at the whole ugly truth and facing it with eyes open, not putting it off on other groups of people like "liberals" or "racists" etc.

This is one of the most violent societies on the face of the earth and we need to do some serious looking at why that is. When we start killing off "suspicious looking" unarmed kids and then saying it was "God's will" as zimmerman stated - it's a real problem.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I agree with you 100% Zimmerman could have called the police and gone back into his house. Then they both would be alive. It is also not liberal agenda. Maybe people are starting to hate liberals, who knows. But, vigilantism is also very scary. We have guns, pretty much anyone get a gun. And yes, we are one of the most violent societies on earth. We need to face the truth, but can we do that as a whole group?

I hope so, but the outcome of the trial, made this much harder to do.


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ithabise 3 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

It is horrible that a person can profile a teen, instigate a fight with him, kill him, claim self-defense, and win a "Not Guilty" verdict. If this isn't a travesty of justice, then there is no justice. The people happy with the outcome want to see this in strictly legal terms, but that simply isn't possible.

I feel the case was symbolic and pivotal in two ways. First, although this wasn't a civil rights case, Zimmerman did profile Martin and racial connotations abound. Further, for African-Americans and other oppressed peoples, there is no way not to feel rage and discouragement for something that has eerie similarities to their past.

Then, what was that jury thinking? This should frighten any parent to think that his or her kid could be the next victim for whatever reason.

The U.S. is a common law nation, which means that our legal system is based on precedents, or case history. What a terrible precedent that has been established, and we should be ashamed of it.

In my opinion, this is the ideal moment for someone to stand up and lead the conversation on race that this country refuses to have and so keeps tripping up over. How many more of these type situations will it take before American society goes off the rails with rage? It very easily could have here.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

ithabise I agree with you very much and it is frightening. Many are angry and riots have started, but are not violent. I hope they do not become violent, but so many people have weapons, and are filled with rage.

I just hope it doesn't happen this time.

Thank you very much for your comment.


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Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

I agree with z and much of what she says. I at first before hearing everything thought Zimmerman should be found guilty but having just served jury duty lately and the law fresh on my mind I can't see how anyone could convict him. Everyone is assumed innocent until proven guilty and they just had no proof on him. It is a shame and I really hate it and I do wish Zimmerman had let it alone but that still does not make him guilty. If someone broke my nose and I had a weapon, I know I would use it if they were still fighting me. It is self defense. No proof otherwise.

We have juries for a reason and if we don't let them decide and start taking the law into our own hands we just have another witch hunt society, which this seems to be turning into.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Well, while Zimmerman was on the phone during his 911 call, the operator told him to stay in his car, but he did not listen. He got out of his car to follow Martin. Then the operator told him to stop following, he did not listen, the police were on their way. Zimmerman ( I just found this out) was thrown out of block watch, he only followed black people, and always accused them of breaking and entering, even if the lived in the same neighborhood. And Martin lived the same neighborhood.


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ChristinS 3 years ago from Midwest

Also, Zimmerman had a history of domestic violence, even though the charges were dropped apparently. Others did complain he was overzealous. Maybe murder 2 was a stretch - in fact yes, it was, however I cannot see how a manslaughter charge could not have been assigned? Also, gruesome as it is, leaked crime scene photos show Trayvon and he was wearing rolled up "skinny jean" khaki pants and bright white sneakers, neither of which were dirty, scuffed or otherwise disheveled. If you were in a fight, on top of someone on the ground in the rain - isn't it safe to assume that your clothing would be dirty? I think the jury saw what it wanted to see and not the facts.


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Deborah Brooks 3 years ago from Brownsville,TX

Hi Michelle.. great hub.. I am with everyone else.. I am so tired of all of this.. I just want it over.. I pray for the whole situation. thank you Michelle for writing this

Debbie


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

ChristinS Thank you so much for your comment. That is very interesting. The clothing should have been dirty, but it was not. I agree with you. The jury saw what it wanted to see.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment Debbie, I also pray for this whole situation. It is a horrible loss, for a lot of people.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI

Great hub and conversation!

I agree that many people want to keep their heads stuck in the sand when it come to racism. Not just white people but black, Latinos and others etc, etc, but definitely because of history of the doctrine of white superiority and the inferiority blacks in this country. The racism is definitely weighed toward white racism. And of course many, many white people aren't racist.

I also agree that this is a very violent country and a lot of the violent racist attitudes is because many whites are angry that blacks are getting "special" treatment and they're always being portrayed as the bad guys.

And many want to think because we have a black president that this shows that all racism is now in the past.


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ziyena 3 years ago from Southern Colorado

Yes, we have an African American president which shows PROGRESS, and yes there are racist white people, but there are just as many racist African Americans and Latinos ... this country participates in a double-standard when it comes to racism. If you're African American or Latino, you can go to media and defame another culture, as in the case with Kayne West, people just laugh; however if you're white, and there is the slightest indication that you've said something racist, even in you're past, then you are demonized as with Paula Dean. I think white people are tired of not being able to express themselves without having the heat on their backs, but you know, it's coming to the point where we as a culture don't care anymore. There is no reason why I should have to feel "politically incorrect" or afraid to speak out about who I am and the standing I have in this world. Each and every one of us has a voice, and we should use it to the best of our ability to communicate, and extend grievances, just as much as a hand of respect alongside our differences. How will we ever learn about each other? My two cents ...


Pedro 3 years ago

Zimmerman is Hispanic. But why are people blaming the whites? That is kind of crap


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MsDora 3 years ago from The Caribbean

The whole situation is unfortunate--from beginning to end!


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele you said shot gun? It was a pistol? The big story in Oklahoma City about the white pharmacist who shot a young black man while being robbed at gun point? (easily found on the net).....The white man is in prison !!! When is hispanic killing black called racism? Blacks die daily in Chicago killed by other blacks? What is that? Travon was 17 with an arrest record, marijuana in his system, he has pics on the net giving the finger to the world! He had a gold rappers grill in his mouth! He was eating skittles because he was SUSPENDED from school! He ran up to Zimmerman and confronted him acting like a badass!.............he got what he asked for!


sheilamyers 3 years ago

I'm not going to say whether or not the right verdict was reached. What irks me is the fact that even if someone disagrees with the verdict that's no excuse for the vandalism and fights. I hope they arrest everyone who caused damage of any kind and let them think about for at least a few days in jail.


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jericho911 3 years ago from Ohio

Sheilamyers made the best statement of this entire thread. Rioting only makes it worse for everyone.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

sheilamyers, NONE of us can really say! We can look at evidence and believe what we believe, the jury had a job to do, the defense must have been good to convince that many bleeding heart mothers to go Zimmermans way! ..........or maybe just maybe that is what the LAW directed them to do in this case......meaning the prosecution didn't do their job correctly!


Pedro 3 years ago

The problem we are going to have now is the media. Too many people just watch TV an think riots are cool or Zimmerman is white.


Pedro 3 years ago

The Zimmerman still make it a problem for white men. This hub not so good, she say he white. So even she make it worse for whites. Has!


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RhondaHumphreys1 3 years ago from Michigan

I totally do not agree with the first person to comment on your hub. In my opinion his was a case of racial profiling. Some of the comments that she makes about things getting better for African Americans is so far from the truth. African Americans should not have to be afraid to let their children walk down the street to go to the store. This all could have been avoided had GZ stayed in the car and let the police handle the situation. She says it wasn't about race but then throws politics into it. It wasn't bout politics either!

I too wrote a hub regarding the outcome and my feelings when I heard the outcome. You can read it here http://hubpages.com/politics/The-George-Zimmerman-...

I think you would be surprised at some of the banter that I received.

Trayvon Martin didn't get his day in court because GZ was his judge and jury!!


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

Hello Michele.

Yet another " success " you created a good theme fir expressing " our " opinions.

A scenario created : one life is shortened. The information provided/ permitted - led to a verdict " not guilty ". ( please give at least some consideration for honest work of the jurors ). They did better job than any judicial system would.

As for us- the public " food for discussion". Comments, opinions , hearts speaking mostly sincere. Not everybody is corrupted yet.

Dictatorship presented from ' higher places' collects and registers what is being said here and sooner or later we'll pay for it. ( Some of us previously lived under communism still remember type of games). It's preference of right-left- in between party : they don't care for general population, they do for themselves . By the educational agenda parents are deprived of raising their children " old fashion " and now no one in this case mention yet that a seventeen year old child shoud spent evening/ night hours with the family/ parents reading book or doing the homework... Tragedy is when often we hear that a child has parents when the life is lost...

Won't m surprise me if this my comment is condemned as stupid or outdated way of thinking, and it's OK, Nonetheless I'll say it anyway, in recent " outdated" way of thinking good was good and evil was evil, now evil is being legislated ad good, the God of all creation is disregarded ,new standard of free- everything - goes is tolerated and we reap that what we sow. My friends, without returning to the original morality, things won't improve .

Michele, you have my vote up and interresting .


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pstraubie48 3 years ago from sunny Florida

This as in all violent deaths of anyone is lose/lose for all involved. My prayer is that we will find ways to come together as a result of this tragedy rather than be further polarized.

The ministers in Sanford are encouraging just that. They are inviting all to come together and find ways to live together on the planet with a new respect for each other.

Angels are on the way to you, Michele, and to the families directly involved in the case. ps


Pedro 3 years ago

She still stupid! She write bad hub, don't read it ha! White people are stupid


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Racism is only alive because the black community KEEPS it alive! CNN is being sued for editing the 911 call and making Z sound like a racist. All crap!


brian 3 years ago

I would feel much more comfortable being a cop or security guard if I was black. Atleast if you are a black cop you do not have to worry about being profiled as a racist.


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ithabise 3 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

Patriot Quest, "he got what he asked for"? That's despicable. No one deserves to be killed, especially when they did nothing to provoke the situation. Show some intelligence! This verdict should make all of us cringe that something like this could happen to us or our kids and the law might not be there for us.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

ithabise, This would NEVER happen to my kids, why? because I TAUGHT them better! Why do you not recognise the thugish behaviour Travon displayed? Why do you continue to insist this was criminal when Zimmerman followed the law and a jury of his peers deemed his actions NOT worthy of prison? Travon was a thug, thugs get in trouble and sometimes lose their lives, If I was suspended I would be doing chores and cleaning out the garage with no TV and no phone privilige! Travon was out buying skittles.........parenting!


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

@ Patriot Quest, hello. You are so right, even without me saying , you are right in your reaction to this " Travon" intricate issue. When parents decide to create children they are obligated to raised them in wisdom and dignity by being for them in living example of high morality integrity and honesty, providing for their needs .Travon was a child, perhaps expressing a lifestyle he was left to copy of his surrounding. Social system, we're living in is mostly responsible for dictating Marxists - communistic agenda in education for decades now, taking responsibility fom parents in raising godly children and most of the parents don't get it. .. Well , there is more to this to say.. and will continue in discussion, only if people with filthy language will restrain themselves of insulting. Michele isn't " stupid" if anything she is worthy of respect in many ways if only anyone would be willing to know her medical condition, her victories and overcoming dificult life situation, and still she is refusing to go on velfare, studying for her degree, ongoing tests and therapies and taking care of her family plus contributing her best in writing.


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ChristinS 3 years ago from Midwest

Those insisting Trayvon was a thug should be ashamed of themselves. How do you know? A lot of kids mouth off on FB and such and act goofy. I sure did and I grew up to be an upstanding member of society. This "thug" you seem to think deserved to die at the hands of a vigilante was a youth - an unarmed youth. A "not guilty" verdict does not mean innocent - Casey Anthony, OJ etc. were acquitted also. There is no way to refute Zimmerman's accounts of what happened, but that doesn't mean they proved them either. People need to stop being insulting to a dead boy who never had a chance to defend himself. Zimmerman did NOT have the right to act as judge, jury and executioner and I fear living in a country where vigilante rule ensues. Racism exists on all sides whether people want to admit it or not, whether this case was racial or not, it still points to a lot of societal ills we need to address. We live in one of the most violent, fear-based, "me first" societies on the face of the Earth - and conservatives love to point at others, call people names like 'marxist" when they don't even know the meaning of the word. Regurgitating stupidity is not rational, calling a young man who was unarmed a "thug" is irresponsible and shows another underlying problem in this country - our ability to realize that as a society we are all connected and we all need to be responsible for fixing the things that are broken.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

ChristinS, Why should I be ashamed of fact? I did my research, He had an arrest record, he had marijuana in his system, he had a gold grill to imitate rappers, he was suspended for the 2nd or 3rd time at the time of his death. I don't know how you describe thug but that is certainly my definition...........Oh and he was NO BOY he was 17 and 2 inches taller than Zimmerman and out weighed him!


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ChristinS 3 years ago from Midwest

Patriot - 17 year olds are kids and kids don't deserve to die when they are unarmed walking. Zimmerman, your hero, also has a criminal record. Look us his former Myspace page and see what a wonderful human being he was. The difference he got a chance to defend himself and he gets to go free. Trayvon gets to be disgraced by people like you who have no shame. How many teenagers have a rebellious streak? How many people who smoke marijuana are violent? Give me a break and get over yourself.


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RhondaHumphreys1 3 years ago from Michigan

Patriot Quest,how can you say that Trayvon deserved to die?? No matter if he was suspended or not he had the right to be able to safely walk to the store and back. God for bid that your or my children are ever in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You say "He had an arrest record, he had marijuana in his system, he had a gold grill to imitate rappers, he was suspended for the 2nd or 3rd time at the time of his death. I don't know how you describe thug but that is certainly my definition" Does any of this make him deserving to be killed?

ChristinS is right you need to look up more on Zimmerman. You will then find out who really was the thug.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Chritin and Rhonda, First I NEVER said he deserved to die. He was beating another human being senseless! Where is your compassion for Z??? I don't like bullies do you? If Travon was the tiny child you want him to be then where was his respect for someone older? I will say this once more..........My child would have NEVER been killed by Zimmerman and would be safely at home. Put the blame where ever it is due.......except Zimmerman. Zimmerman was on the ground about to go unconscience, how much of a beating should a person recieve before acting??? How much of a beating would you recieve before acting if you had a weapon on your person???????? Zimmerman wanted to know who he was and what he was doing, he began returning to his vehicle when told so by the law, Travon ran up and in front of him and picked a fight. TRavon got what he deserved, wether it be death or punishment.


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ithabise 3 years ago from Winston-Salem, NC

PQ, you said that Martin got what he deserved: how is this not saying he deserved to die? You make no sense, or you're trying to weasel your way out of your own mess. And Zimmerman didn't fear for his life if he knew he could get to his gun. He instigated the whole thing, killed a person, and now walks free. This is injustice, plain and simple. Stop your antics!


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RhondaHumphreys1 3 years ago from Michigan

Oh but Patriot Quest I believe you did. Here is a quote from your comment above "Travon was 17 with an arrest record, marijuana in his system, he has pics on the net giving the finger to the world! He had a gold rappers grill in his mouth! He was eating skittles because he was SUSPENDED from school! He ran up to Zimmerman and confronted him acting like a badass!.............he got what he asked for!"

You can say what you want but being the adult GZ should have stayed in his car as the 911 operator told him to do. Had he done that we wouldn't be having this conversation. At least Z was alive and able to have a jury of his peers but TM will never have that opportunity because Z took that away from him. Z isn't the innocent victom that you'd like him to be.

I can tell you that I would probably let some one beat me to death before I would ever take another's life. I don't think I wouldever be able to live with myself.And you may say that your child woulld never be in that position but unless you are able to be with your child 24/7 you can never say never. And God forbid that would ever happen I hope you remember this post and all that you've said. And I hope that you can stand by every word of it.


druhepkins 3 years ago

Hey Michelle.

This was never supposed to be about race. This was a human rights case. I don't think Zimmerman is an evil guy, and whether he's racist or not is also not determinable or relevant. I do think he's an idiot though. George Zimmerman is a stupid idiot who made consecutive bad decisions that led him to shoot a teenager to death.

He had good intentions, but he's a man of poor judgment with no kids of his own, who didn't understand that he was following someone's child. He was unable to talk to a kid without pulling out his gun and killing him. I don't hate the guy, but I know he's supposed to go to jail because he's guilty and liable for a kid's untimely death. He followed someone who didn't do anything, confronted him, and then shot him to death. How to do you figure out an acquittal for that?

I don't want any decent person to have to go to jail, but he screwed up, we all know it, and the country is disgusting the world yet again with this acquittal. We live in a land of law and order. You can't follow someone around based on your incorrect assumptions, cause and altercation, and then kill them. If Trayvon fought Zimmerman, he fought because a creepy older stranger was creeping up on him from behind.

I expected some leniency for Zimmerman. I honestly didn't want him to be punished too severely because of all the media hype. And yes I understand that he was trying to protect the neighborhood, but a complete pardon of any wrong doing and an acquittal is a disgrace to the US justice system. It's just wrong. Each person on the jury that voted not guilty should be ashamed of themselves for such a bad call with grieving parents in attendance. Not cool at all but unfortunately, not surprising either. A person was picked out, stalked, violated and killed. If people could take race out of the equation it'd be easier to understand what needs to be done in a situation like this.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for comment. Sorry I have not been commenting much. Been in the hospital for a little while, but am ok now.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Ziynena

I feel racism is wrong, no matter who it is directed against. You have made a very good point. No one should be racist against anyone. That is my two cents also. I agree with you.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

MsDora, thank you so much for your comment. It really is very unfortunate. You are very correct.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Hello Patriot Quest, what I wrote in this hub was "Many people heard screams for help, then the fire of a shot gun." I did not write he had a shot gun.

Both did the wrong thing. Zimmerman got out of his car, and ran after Martin. Martin confronted Zimmerman. Now Martin is dead. Who got the wrong end of the "deal"?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

sheilamyers , I agree with you very much. There should have been no vandalism. The vandalism was horrible. It harmed people who had nothing to do with Zimmerman or Martin. That in and of itself, was a horrible crime.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

jericho911

You are right. Rioting does make it worse for everyone


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

No bleeding heart mothers went the Zimmerman way. The defense did not do a good job, they weren't even allowed to have all of the evidence shown to the jury!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Pedro, the media is a problem. Some people may have thought the riots were "fun", I have no idea. But, they did show all the riots.

That probably excited a lot of people


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

RhondaHumphreys1 You are so correct. Trayvon Martin did not get his day in court, because he was already dead.

Point taken.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Michael-Milec

Thank you for your comment. It is not stupid. I have known you too long for that.

You are right. This has been a tragedy.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

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Thank you so much for your prayers.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest, Racism is alive, because the entire human race keeps it alive. Not just the black community, not just the white community, not just the hispanic community, not just the asian community, but a lot of people do.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

ithabise, thank you for your comment. I agree with it. No, Martin did no deserve to die, just because he looked at someone.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

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So, all Martin did was criminal. He loved no one. Not even his mother? hmmm.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Michael-Milec

Trayvon still did not have to be murdered, even if our country seems to be starting down a socialist pathway.

I am out of the hospital now, trying to defend a few hubs. Some have a few mistakes in the comments. So, it will take a little time. I will email you about the time in the hospital.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

ChristinS

Thank you so much for your comment. We do live in a violent society. And we are very racist, on all sides.

Your comment is..well...fantastic!

Thank you so much.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

druhepkins, I agree with you. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon Martin. Trayvon Martin stood up for himself. Then Zimmerman killed him.

What happened to Martin was horrible. Sadly, it also happens to women. They get stalked, but the police do nothing. I wonder how many women have been stalked, and the police do nothing until the woman is harmed?

Very good comment when you brought up the subject of stalking.

Thank you very much for your comment


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Sarah Christina 3 years ago from Fresno, CA

I don't trust the media anymore at all. They withheld information regarding this case, and the jury was presented with evidence that they didn't release to the public and it was that evidence that made them decide on their verdict.

I disagree, I believe Trayvon was up to no good and Zimmerman was defending himself. First of all, this was no small kid. He was much bigger and taller than Zimmerman. 2nd, there were profile pictures on Trayvon Martin's facebook or whatever social media website he used that were of him wearing gang memorabilia and flipping off the camera. He was no innocent teenager who was just happening to take a night time stroll. These pics were later removed. The media is trying to distort the information into making it seem like it was a hate crime in order to increase racial tensions in this country. And look, it's working. Why would they do this on purpose? That's a whole other story. Things have gotten violent already many black people have started assaulting or threatening to assault Hispanics (Mexicans, even though Zimmerman is not Mexican). what kind of stupidity is that? Seriously?

Now I'm not saying that racial profiling doesn't still happen, I just don't believe this was the case. These days, I see racism coming from all groups towards all other groups (white people hating blacks and hispanics, blacks hating white people and hispanics, hispanics hating black and white people, etc etc) there is just hate going all around. All of the animosity is only going to divide us further from each other. People need to calm down, and take a look around. Racism happens all the time everyday, there's no need to blow this one story out of proportion and make it into something that it isn't. This is just my opinion, but it's how I see it.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sarah Christina Please believe me, I do agree with you, when I found out more about what the media was doing. But, the media is a horrible source of information. Each station wants to get more views then the other.

Yes, the media is distorting the information, and problems are getting worse.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Obama is doing his best to stir race division in this country, No one is talking racism except blacks, We don't hear it from Mexicans, Asians, or others! The worst culture in this country who doesn't want to work or be a part of the system is the only ones complaining. Our president is a divider!

Michele the defense went the wrong way?? Are you kidding me? They were not allowed to show the character of Travon, they were not allowed to show he had drugs in his system, that he was suspended from school and that he had an arrest record? Why are you defending a thug????????? Many beleive as you, my question is why? My mother said if you lay with dogs you get up with fleas! Travon was a dog, Zimmerman was trying to protect his community!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest did you read my last comment? And the fact I agreed the comment above?


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RhondaHumphreys1 3 years ago from Michigan

Hey Patriot Quest,How much of George Zimmerman's character was allowed in court? Have you ever checked out his myspace page?

How can you say he isn't a thug? That he isn't racest? Here is just one of his posts from his page:

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”

There is many more post with similar verbage through out his page,in his own words.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

ziyena, There is an outlet for white people to defame others - Fox News. Michele, I love your work. I'm attempting to write an article on racism that will not be an attack on any race of people but will be a vehicle for dicussion on how to move forward. When many people hear the word "racism" they get into the defensive mode and feel like they are being attacked. Racism does exist but not all people are racists. Non-racists should be able to have the conversation without attacking others. We all have the right to our own opinions. http://hubpages.com/politics/Killing-of-Trayvon-Ma...

Now, Michele, get get back to your articles. I haven't been on Hubpages for 6 months.


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teaches12345 3 years ago

I honestly don't know who was right, just want people to move on with an attitude that we must overcome the racial divide.


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

Zimmerman is certainly guilty of having no "adult" common sense despite being the "elder", he was guilty of being trigger happy when he initiated a confrontation with a complete stranger after following him and putting that stranger in fear. Many (REAL) police officers recommend that people not confront others for this very reason.

I think that if it were a blond white kid in a collared shirt, that kid would not have been given a second glance, let alone followed or confronted. GZ didn't identify/introduce himself and expected that stranger who had been followed to NOT defend himself or stand his ground. Where was Trayvon's right to stand his ground? Oh, that's right, he had none in GZ's mind (and in law). And there are many like GZ. What a wonderful world. If I could ask him one question, it would be to ask how he would feel if his own child were killed in the exact same manner. I'm certain he'd be outraged and heartbroken, yet he and others think the Martin family has no right to be.

Someone on another site said that GZ will for the rest of his life know what it's like to be a black man because wherever he goes, judgements will be made about him, the worst will be assumed of him, people will be wary and turn away from him in every way possible. He will be denied opportunities and he will suffer for the rest of his life due to other people's opinions about him which may or may not be true. Perhaps this is only the second best punishment for a man of this caliber?


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

teaches, you don't understand. African Americans are expected to just move on every time this happens.


brian 3 years ago

All I know is I would feel more comfortable being a black security guard. If zimmerman was black and he approached martin I think things would have went more smoothly.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you diane I am looking forward to reading your hub!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Hello teaches, I also want to get over the racial divide, but don't how it will happen, I wish I did, but I really do not know.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Express10 I don't know what GZ will feel for the rest of his life. Some places defend him, and some do not. But, if he does think about his child dying, then maybe he will understand the true pain Martin's family feels.


Steve K. 3 years ago

Hi Michele Travis.

You seem like a nice lady and I've been reading some of the comments. Please don't get yourself contaminated by these people claiming there was "missing evidence". Everyone posting that are most likely Fox News idiots.

There is no such missing evidence saying Trayvon was some big bad thug causing trouble. He was by himself, talking on the phone, just walking to his dad's place. What "trouble" was he up to comfortably staying with his dad who provided for him? These vile, simple headed folks are just spitting on the kid's grave listening to stations that tell them about the poor oppressed white man. It's just too difficult for these clowns to believe a black kid was just walking home, so they'll believe whatever Zimmerman claims. There a bunch of jokes.

I'm a white man and I coach all types of kids. I'm an adult and I know how to speak to kids of all colors if and when I need to---without killing them. This wasn't even a race issue for me. It's clear that GZ was a Mall cop-like moron with no professional training, who did everything wrong, followed a kid around, hopped out of his car and ended up killing the kid. There's nothing else there. The mentality of some of the people in this country make me sick. There's so much proof suggesting that GZ was an idiot who was overly ambitious, had domestic violence issues, fought police officers etc etc., yet the Fox New types keep trying look into who Trayvon was, making things up about the dead victim. It's not about race and these people should seriously be ashamed of themselves. Just my 2 cents.


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

I agree with you Steve K. and I have never heard of a dead victim being put on trial, typically it's the defendants. I was just on another site where two white males (identified themselves as such) said various things, that TM was standing in the yard of a someone's condo when GZ confronted him and both believed wholeheartedly that GZ had every right to follow, confront, and shoot TM. They both believed wholeheartedly that TM was committing a crime despite there being no evidence of such. I will never understand how any "adult" can think he has the right to follow and confront someone without at least saying who they are and why. I will never understand how any "adult" can think he has the right to follow and confront someone who is not committing a crime.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Praise God for Steve K. We really need to hear white people say this. As soon as a Black person says it, we are attacked about crying race, blaming white people, not working, getting welfare, and every other stereotypical bad thing they can say. Thank you Express10. Michele I will always love you!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Steve K I understand what you are saying. By the way fox news is stupid. They cover up, as much as possible. They are full crap. Kind of like stupid tabloids newspapers. Anyway, your comment is wonderful. I do wonder if any one of them would feel if they had a child that the same thing happened. What if one of them had a child who was killed by a man who followed him, by a man on foot patrol. Would they finally understand what Tryvon's parents felt?

Some idiots keep claiming racism is gone, but is has not, in one of my hubs I wrote racism was created by satan, I believe it is true.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele for the record there are watchdogs that document all news agencies for truth and fact..........FOX rates in the very top! So kinda hard to say their full of crap.

Racism is dead, Folks like you keep it stirred up. You are not being truthful, look around you daily! What signs from whites do you see of racism? NONE! Black culture is horrid. Any downtrodding they suffer is at their own hands!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Express10 There is so much evidence that TM was not committing a crime. He was just walking home. Unless being black is a crime. I keep reading "evidence" that goes back and forth. This makes me sad, it truly does.

Maybe I am idiot, but I feel racism is a crime in a person's soul.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

diane I will keep writing about it, you know how I feel about racism. No matter who it attacked by racism. On my mother's side of the family my grandfather came from Cuba. He went to France and met my grandmother. They had to leave France because of Hitler. Hitler hated Jew, and Jewish people. There is a difference. That is racism. They were not Jewish, but they still left France. Hitler is an example of racism. Remember the saying "If you do not forget the past, it will repeat itself"? I am not saying it will happen here. But, I am saying racism is evil.

Diane I love you too! And Express 10.

And both of my fathers.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

What do the letters KKK stand for?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Here is one racist group in America

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_neo-nazis_c...

http://kkkknights.com/about_us This is what they say

"Our children have no chance to make it now if we don't stick together and fight for WHITE PEOPLES RIGHTS. The Blacks have the NAACP the Mexicans La Raza and the Jews have the ADL. We whites all across America have the Ku Klux Klan; fighting for a Brighter Whiter America."

There are more hate groups in America over 1,000 here are just a few

white nationalists, neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, and black separatists, and some specialize in producing racist music or propaganda denying the Holocaust.

Do you believe the Holocaust never happened? Be honest with me. Did the Holocaust happen, or did it not happen?


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Nice how you left off the racist Black Panthers, Anti Christian Muslim hate groups (that many blacks are involved with) etc. Your not talking about legitimate groups, you are speaking of wacko hate groups! The left have many that stand outside abortion clinics etc. Democrats booed for Christianity during the Democrat convention and blacks make up largest portion of the Democrat party. Racism is hate, hate covers several areas! Blacks kill thousands more whites therefore according to your writing that would make THEM the racist, Lets see I believe blacks killed 1600 whites last year? And raped over 2000 women? How many racist black haters killed African Americans??? Oh yea now I remember, one, half white hispanic killed a violent young black man...............get over it Michele!


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

The only time I hear about the New Black Panther Party is when racist bring it up. A legitimate organization must have a leader. I looked at the NBPP poorly designed webpage and didn't recognize any names. As a matter of fact most of the names were Muslim (I guess) names. Between all 10 members they don't have two nickels to rub together. They have no influence among black people and are a group of buffoons.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

My mother's last name was Pedro. My biologic father was white My sister's skin is darker then mine. Our family picture looks strange. We all laugh about it. I don't look Hispanic, but it is in my family. There are also groups that hate people who are Hispanic. There are also a lot of people who are Hispanic, or Latino.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/anti-lati...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/anti-latino-...

This was written in the New York Times.

Hate crimes targeting Hispanics accounted for 66.6% of all ethnically motivated bias incidents in 2010, according to the FBI's annual Hate Crime Statistics report released Monday. The remaining 33.4% consists of all incidents targeting other ethnic and national groups combined.

That's an eleven percentage point spike from the 2009 report that showed Hispanics accounting for nearly 45% of hate crimes based on ethnicity or national origin.

The statistic reflects the highest percentage of victims "targeted because of an anti-Hispanic bias" in nearly a decade, whereas ethnically motivated hate crimes have generally fallen since 2007 and remained the nearly the same since 2009, the report indicates.

There were 747 Hispanic victims of a total 1,122 under the ethnic/national category, which does not include victims of racial, religious or sexual orientation biases. The stat does include crimes committed by Latino groups against Latino groups.

The reason for alarming surge in anti-Latino hate crimes remains undefined, but has been attributed to the significant population growth of Hispanics in every state and nearly every county in America in 2010.

However, Hispanics were not the most victimized demographic in 2010. There were 3,949 victims of racially motivated hate crimes in 2010, of which 2,764, or 70%, were African-Americans. And of the 1,552 victims of religious based hate, 1,040, or 67%, were Jewish.

Are you blind?


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

hahah you trash FOX but believe the NY times? Please give me a break! You failed to mention what those 45% hate crimes came from? Was that white on black, black on hispanic? ???? My research shows racial crimes come from other races NOT whites!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Give me the links of percentages of hate crimes against white compared to hate crimes against Hispanics and Black people. Also, lists of hate groups. There are over 1,000 hate groups.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Here is a list of hate groups in the United States of America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations...

186 separate Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups with 52 websites

196 neo-Nazi groups with 89 websites

111 white nationalist groups with 190 websites

98 white power skinhead groups with 25 websites

39 Christian Identity groups with 37 websites

93 neo-Confederate groups with 25 websites

113 black separatist groups with 40 websites

90 general hate groups (subdivided into anti-gay, Holocaust denial, racist music, radical traditionalist Catholic and others)[12][13] with 172 hate websites.[14]

To be honest I include groups that hates white people, but groups that hate people who are not white a huge as the others. By the way do you deny the Holocaust?

I can also list how many are in each state.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele, About 40 years ago I worked with a guy who said the Holocaust did not happen. He was Hispanic and married a German woman. Most recently, I have worked with a woman of German descent. She also said it never happened. Ironically both had lots to disparaging things to say about non-German ethnic groups. Germans should not feel guilty any more than white people should feel guilty about slavery. They were not there. It is insulting for them to dismiss it and say it never happened.


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

Hi Michele.

It's not isolated case where a hub article turns to be a source of unpredictable trouble and complexity problem. Which isn't bad. Most of the time there are two antagonistically facing each other groups, which isn't bad. Where are we getting informations from formulating our opinions?!

Most of them coming from unreliable sources competing for larger number of ratings . How do you know who's right or who is wrong ?! There is lying factor undetected by majority of listeners/ viewers /readers, - and than " we become experts " depending on one side or the others, unnecessaryly pointing fingers, calling names , while mere dialogs of ours are missing basic ingredience of what is truth. Dear- fellow honest citizens , those whose goal is to divide and benefit from people's opposing each others, do not care of outcome unless they get their greed and evil intentions achieved . Let me use an illustration of present ongoing situation scene regarding Detroit. What is being said about, is fabricated politically manufactured " smorgasbord ". Have you been in Detroit early seventies when downtown Hudson's has been forst to close due to increasing stealing ? Have you been there when a block away from my home a Preast has been killed in parish'soffice while protecting the church's finances box? Have you been there when a mayor of the city has been building his fame on misusing his position, cheating his wife, depriving his children of rolemodel 's upbringing while living a life of infidelity and having church praying for his innosemce? Recently I drove through the are we used to walk visiting friends, going to places . . . and I had to shortcut my touring due to the fact of driving through a dangerous neighborhood . No, no one have to answer any of thes questions. Detroit was my first destination point to this , once beautuful, prosperous city. No media in th whole world have to try to sell their information to me what's going on ; i havevto protect my sanity by refusing to accept any untruthful evil news. See , it's just that : these two " political" party " good" or " evil" pretending their legality under different religious identity are successfully persuading masses " it's Bushe's fault ."...

What my expectation would be ?... Let parents raise their children in dignity, honesty sand high morality . Let voters recall every elected official who has been caught lying once, because ho did it once . who knows when is saying truth next time?! . . . Enough. I have to stop here. May every person be willing to think for himself before ... ( I can't say " I love you" because love isn't mere words ; love is omething tangible; mostly for now it's my concern...


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane it really horrifies me when people deny the Holocaust. That is just how I feel. It just is.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Michael-Milec. I know there is so much lying out there, but there is also a lot of truth. When it comes to politics, well more people need to pay attention to what politicians are doing. More people need to force politicians to listen to the people. We can do that by paying attention to what the politicians are doing Then we can vote them out of office. The biggest problem now, is that not enough people vote. We have more power then people know. We just need to vote.

But, you are right. We do have to raise our children in dignity, honesty, and high morality.

And I did not mean for this hub to become place where people are arguing. But, I will not say racism does not exist. Because it does.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele, I don't think some people are reading your article but just taking the opportunity to tell how they really feel.

There has been nothing to show that Trayvon's parents were not good parents. Some want to blame the victim. You and I know Christ and we do love each other as He commanded.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane you are right about that. We do know Christ, and we do love each other as he commanded. We are sisters, because we are God's children. I can't remember how young I was when my father ( my biological one:) taught me that. I loved him very much. He died almost 2 months before 9/11 My mother died 2 years before he died.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele my dad died January 26, 1982 and my mom died January 20, 2010. As my father passed away, he continually told us to be strong. My mother, with Alzheimers, became my child. I wanted to be with her as she passed away but the Lord knew best. Can you imagine us all meeting in heaven. Keep being a witness for the Lord!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane, I can imagine all of us meeting in heaven. How wonderful life in heaven is going to be! You keep being a witness for the Lord also!


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Sarah Christina 3 years ago from Fresno, CA

Patriot Quest, you are an idiot. Racism is still alive and well, I grew up in mostly white area and experienced ignorance all the time. Violence, no. But racism, yes. Or are you trying to say that racism is only when there is a violent action behind it? Because words hurt. Suspicious stares as you walk through a store, hurt. The problem with a lot of racism from white culture is that it is very subtle, but IT IS THERE. So, all the points you are making are moot, even if they were true, which they are not. The privileged group (that would be Caucasians) have a hard time acknowledging racism because they are the privileged group. Since they are the ones rarely getting persecuted, they don't see why other races have a problem. Maybe, because you aren't those races and therefore don't experience what they go through in their daily lives. Until you've walked in another man's shoes, you can't judge him.

For everyone who is defending Trayvon Martin: As for TM, there were several witnesses that saw him jump Zimmerman. He was also found with drugs in his system. Did he deserve to die? Probably not, but when you are on the street defending yourself how are you to know what the persons intentions are? It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with "this dude in gang clothes and tattoos looks suspicious and I'm going to defend my life." TM was not just "minding his own business." Several witnesses attested to this, but like I said...the media has left those things out and are purposefully creating racial tensions. Do not be led and fooled. A country divided cannot stand, and the government is counting on that. We have become like sheep being led by the nose, don't let yourself be manipulated. Research non mainstream news sources and alternative news sources, multiple ones, before making any judgements. This goes with all info, not just about this case. Our media is government controlled and they are told what to report on and what not to report on. It's not a free press like people think, not anymore. Keep that in mind and maybe...just maybe...you might find something like the truth.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Sarah I hold hardly agree with your first paragraph. I got lost on the 2nd paragraph.

1. What are gang clothes - a hoodie

If that is the case, 90% of the kids I teach wear gang clothes. Also the school provides gang clothing - hoodies for sports, social clubs, and school spirit.

2. Tattoos - Did you know he had 2 tattoos: 1) His mother's name - Sabrina and 2) a memory of his deceased grandmother.

3. Cellphone records verify that he as on the phone with Rachel Jeantel. He was not looking in houses. No one testified to him looking in houses. Several testified that Trayvon was on top.

If a stranger were following you (basically like you mentioned people looking at you suspiciously in stores BUT) on a dark street with no one around, would you feel like your life was in danger? Especially if you ask "Why are you following me?"

We all have a responsibility to know and deal with the truth. Not all white people are racist. The ones that are racists can be dangerous (Aryan Nation, KKK, etc.).

People don't want to admit what happened because they don't want to face the truth. I have followed the case for a year with bloggers on frederickleatherman.com and done a lot of research. Trayvon was not in gang attire and his tattoos were not gang tattoos. He had a right to walk done the street just like you did when you were made to feel uncomfortable.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sarah, you are right about both of those things.

Racism is alive and well, and the media only reports what the media is told to report. It didn't used to be that way, but it is now. That is why people need to look for the truth in other places. If people only watch TV they will never find out the truth.

What is a better way to control the masses then TV? none that I can think of.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane, you are right. People don't want to admit what happened because they do not want to face the truth. They would rather deny it. Trayvon did have the right to walk down the street, but you have been doing so much research you know more then what the mainstream media has been reporting.

You know the truth.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I actually wrote a hub about how a government could control the masses. The best way, at this time is using the TV.

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Mind-Contr...


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Trayvon's tattoo of his mother's name

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=htt...


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

I am in the exact same boat with you Dianne on Sarah Christina's comment and I am in total agreement with yours.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for letting us see those tattoos Diane.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

You guys are welcome. Michele, I'm going to go to your mind control article in a little while.

The irony about Sarah Christina is that she certainly understand the problem from her first paragraph; however, the second paragraph is the ultimate paradox.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

From law professor Frederick Leatherman's Blog

Summary

1. SYG statutes require more than a subjective belief by the killer that death or grievous bodily harm is imminent and the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent it from happening .

2. The additional requirement that people are ignoring is that the belief must be reasonable. In other words, would a reasonable person in the same situation perceive the same danger and respond the same way.

3. The reasonableness requirement is supposed to prevent a paranoid or otherwise delusional person, such as a racist, from getting away with murder.

4. The problem in Florida and many other parts of the country, particularly in the South, is that too many white people think it’s reasonable to believe that all young black males are dangerous thugs or thug wannabees looking for an opportunity to become thugs.

Conclusion

Statutes abolishing the duty to retreat before resorting to the use of deadly force in self-defense or defense of another person, are being used by racists to legitimize the murders of young black males.

Since these statutes are being used to justify and, in effect, license and encourage race-based murders of young black males, they violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Therefore, the SYG statutes are unconstitutional as applied and must be stricken.

http://frederickleatherman.com/2013/07/30/syg-stat...


brian 3 years ago

I think all cops and security guards should paint their skin black. If zimmerman was black he would not have to watch his back.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

My biologic father was a professor at Miami university in Oxford, Ohio, Ohio. One of the teachers was racist. I kept getting a " C" in all of the paper in his class. My father kept asking why was I getting a " C" I told my father the professor was racist. So one day my father wrote one of my assignments. My father wrote one of my assignments. My father, who was a professor, wrote one of my assignments. He got a " C" also. How can a professor get a "C"? After that it was ok that I got a " C" in that class. We never told anyone that my father wrote the paper.

He died a long time ago, but racism is racism, strange isn't it. It is all over, no matter if you are rich, poor, intelligent or not. It still exists. That, to me is very sad.

To brain, to walk in one man shoes, would make another understand what other people have to understand what racism really is.

Brian, what you wrote is fantastic.

Thank you very much


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old albion 3 years ago from Lancashire. England.

Hi Michele. Things are similar over here in the uk. Racism should not exist but unfortunately it does. I do not have the answer to it. With age one seems to see and recognises inequality all around in so many ways.

voted up and following.

Graham.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment Graham

I wish I had the answer, it would be great if people had the answer, but we will probably never find it.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Does anyone here ever ask the question is it racism or culture difference??? Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America. That my friends is NOT racism. 70% of black children born out of wedlock, blacks kill blacks daily, highest rate of drop outs, highest rate of abortions, highest rate of violence with guns, highest rate of aids per capita, highest rate of welfare, highest rate in prison per capita................are you with me???


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Patriot, What is black culture in America? Asking because I want to know. There are FBI statistics that might interest you; http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-...

That doesn't support what you say. Even Where did you get the statistic that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest who are the Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America? Did they tell you they have a disdain for black culture in America? Just wondering.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

dianetrotter, I googled it, multiple up to date stats on birth rates, Never in the history of the world has there been a culture with an abondonment of their children by fathers as there is in the black community of America. Dianetrotter, you know exactly what is going on and you are trying to goad me into a Sharpton type debate that you cannot win.

Michele, same for you, If they SAY they have disdain you want to point a finger and yell foul! Sorry doesn't work that way, over 3000 white woman raped by blacks last year............so do you pick up male black hithchikers? Why do you pretend to sit on a pedestal???


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

please forgive me for this, but when it come to comments, you are the one who sits on the pedestal. You are the one who is rude to others.

1)TRavon got what he deserved, wether it be death or punishment.

2) Racism is dead, Folks like you keep it stirred up. You are not being truthful, look around you daily! What signs from whites do you see of racism? NONE! Black culture is horrid.

3) Black culture is horrid. Any downtrodding they suffer is at their own hands!

4) My research shows racial crimes come from other races NOT whites!

Now my question is are you racist? From all the information you have put in you comments, I am beginning to wonder.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele, No I am not racist, At least I do not believe myself to be racist. Your note is why I believe we can't fix anything in America. I am rude??? For what? telling the truth?? Nothing I said can be argued with fact? No one sees white leaders on TV screaming racist comments? But we see Sharpton and Jackson on TV nightly screaming foul, We see Reverend Wright and Farrikan,..........Never do you see whites complaining about the injustice of blacks. According to fact we the whites are the ones that need to scream foul! NOT the Black communty! One half white killed a single black man?? you are outraged?? I gave you the numbers of rapes and killings black on white crime? You act as if that never happened??? The numbers alone show hate crimes, racism, and the comments by the black community. Whites are too busy WORKING to pay the welfare and food stamps of the black community to worry about the sin of slavery that happened so long ago none of us remember it...........except those blacks that keep it alive...........my ancestors were slaves too.........it's why we left for the promise land.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele I take great offense at your hub claiming I am racist and the thought process that America is a racist country. Therefore I am not rude in defending something so serious.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Our comments speak for us.


Steve K. 3 years ago

Patriot Quest,

You’re defending yourself being called a racist but you have some serious issues. I have no idea how you can sit there as a presumably sane person and boldly say something as idiotic as “racism is dead” and then say “black culture is horrid” in the same sentence and actually think you are reasonable. Everything you’re saying IS racism. In fact you may be the worst kind of racist, the racist fueled by a plethora of fake statistics, duped by the version of blacks the media shows you, who doesn’t choose to believe he’s racist.

And when you say “black culture” what do you mean? Do you know any black people? I do. Those I know are professional people and colleagues and I like them very much. My son also has some black friends over my house all the time and they’re very nice boys. It’d be a shame for any one of them to hear someone like you ranting off your nonsense.

The probable with you is that you don’t have any reference point for black people other than what you see and hear from your “trustable” media sources. You just squeeze them all into some “group” as if every black person is the same and in the same situation. Yet no one brings cameras to the trailer parks of America or the millions of white welfare recipients and calls it “white culture”.

You also keep complaining about black people dragging race into things, while YOU keep dragging race into things. You keep talking about this New Black Panthers which is practically non-existent. I looked them up and there is big and relevant as a high school chess club. Former members of the old Black Panther Party insist there is no New BPP and there’s is no affiliation. Fox News is the only news station to ever mention them. And they did that because that’s what they do.

And so what if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are on the news saying things? Spinning it around, Rush Limbaugh is constantly making an ass of himself publically, making many minorities angry but he doesn’t speak me. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just political opportunists. They’re not in charge of all black people with one unified opinion. And when you say what people don’t complain are you serious? White people complain all the time. What do you call Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Bill O’Reilly and the gang? You only see what you want to see and it’s a pathetic.

Patriot Quest, I’ll tell you like I’d tell any junkie who needs serious help: You are frying you brain. Fox News is bad for you and you need to really get off the stuff as soon as you can.

And thanks for the compliments before express10, dianetrotter, and Michele


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Steve K. You are a breath of fresh air.

Patrick - 4 straight years all boys accepted into college from all boys school: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/urban-pre...

In 1972 I was the first college graduate among my dad and his brothers' and sisters' kids. I have a BBA and an MBA. I passed the CPA exam. I am credentialed to teach music and business. Since I graduated, we have doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, administrators, etc.

Thanks again Steve K. You rock!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane, Steve K, old albion , the list could go on and on. There have been so many wonderful people who know so much. Thank you to all of them.

Yes, there have also been people on television who are political opportunist

Rush Limbaugh, is so idiotic, that even commercials have dropping from his show. That is pretty amazing.

There is even a group on facebook, called the "Flush Rush" group" They write emails to companies that have commercials on the Rush show and tell them, they will no longer buy their products if they continue to advertise on the Rush Limbaugh show. I am part of that group. I have written to several companies, each one has emailed me back and told me they no longer advertise on that show.

Thank you Steve you do rock!

Diane you are fantastic, but you already know what I think about you:)

God bless you!


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

You are welcome Michele! I really think the Republican Party needs to identify nuts and distance themselves. Have a great weekend everyone!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Diane

I agree with you again!

Have a great weekend too!


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

My last comment on this subject, So if my stats are wrong and bogus then what is the problem? Is this where all of you breath a sigh of relief and unanimously scream RACISM?? New statistic for you came out Friday, 71% of blacks are unemployed. Only 6% of Asians are unemployed? Anyone care to explain that? Am I a racist? I have a lunch date every Monday with our HR man..........he is black and a wonderful friend. Folks, You can't fix problems until your brave enough to admit what those problems really are. Rush and FOX lie? Well not according to watch dog groups, but if that is so then where is your info coming from? The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

What your friend think if he heard you say this?

"The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America."

Just wondering


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

I beg to differ with PQ as their statistics appear to simply be made up. They have pointed out (incorrect) statistics and haven't provided credible sources and the lunch date with "a wonderful friend" sounds bogus as well. I also wonder what the "friend" would think if they saw these comments here. As for the breakdown of families, that's ongoing and apparently on the increase through all races and ethnicities.

Issues withing smaller communities do affect the larger communities as well. Denying this only gives the problems time to spread/worsen. The problem with people such as PQ is that they want to put an entire group of people down for the actions of some or hold them to a different or higher standard than one for themselves...classic symptoms. I'm just saying...


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Said I was done, but gotta answer, What would he think? I don't know, we have had short conversations, I am more interested in HOW you guys think? This all started with me being accused of racism by a Mexican killing a black man in self defense and proved that way in a court of law! The WHOLE point is this! The black community has a chip on their shoulder that grows with talk of racism and the "man" holding them back! I am simply explaining where that CHIP actually comes from and it's NOT racism! If it was then explain how a black man made it to become president of the U.S.?? There is NOTHING holding them back but themselves! Yes there are good hard working blacks, just like there are scum white trash whites! I believe their own culture keeps many of them down and it is too easy for them to sympathize with Sharpton and cry the blues.......no pun intended.


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

There have been no comments here that state "The black community has a chip on their shoulder that grows with talk of racism and the "man" holding them back!" A huge number of people of all races, black, mixed, white, etc., cannot stand the likes of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as they do whatever they call what they do, for themselves and no one else. They may have some people fooled, but no a majority. You said the black man in HR is a wonderful friend, if that's the case you would know how he feels about your statements here because they would have been shared with him in their entirety if you were such wonderful friends. All I can do is agree to disagree with you.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

The justice system is holding them back.

http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/pdfs/fac...

I can put more of these facts into this comment. But, they give the same statistics.

How much more data do you want? Racism is all over the place. Even though the president is 1/2 black and 1/2 white


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

One more thing PQ

Even though President Obama is the first black president, he has received about 30 death threats per day. That means death threats against Obama has increased by 400%, more then any other president has ever had. Not only against him, but also his family. So, racism has not gone away, just because Obama has become president.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Maybe he gets death threats because of his ideology? You bring up racism because he is black. If he was white and getting death threats what would you say? Why not blame death threats on the lack of moral substance ? Why not blame the removal of prayer in schools and the destruction of the family unit on his increased death threats? Justice system? LOL, are you kidding me? I will go read this article,


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Read your article, Common sense is something missing with you people, The author failed to mention the truth. He cites more whites use drugs than blacks yet those of color end up in prison more than whties and he simply says drug related crimes. What he fails to tell you is the crime itself! More folks of color DEAL in drugs than whites that simply USE! Dealers get harsher sentencing!..........Really ? you guys couldn't figure this out???


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

This is going better and better , how it started it was a sincere concern of the " news of the day " showing the people do know that there might have been a problem somewhere . And yes it is in the heart of every individual : look what are people being fed with? - listening to the news, believing and accepting what is far from the truth and righteousness. The people elected political " elders " who made a rule of the country, it is OK to murder babies, it is OK the kids making kids, it is OK to take money from those who work hard and give to those who refuse to work ...

You know better than I do, the problem is where the head of the family , " father " ceased to be moral role model, where the mother can't be provider, leader, and a moral role model , because of choosing different lifestyle -- and you know what is it...

Perhaps the greatest tragedy is in rejecting the God Creator, who is -as we are being told " not existing" while He is in control, and the principles He has established in the " orbit " are working . . . You are sowing evil, you are going to harvest the same...


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Don't know where you came from Michael............but Thank GOD there is some common sense left in this world!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest,

There are so many links I could give you stating the same facts in the one above.

I do not agree with everything Obama has done, I am not a follower. I love God. The only thing I hate is racism, because I believe that racism was created by satan. I even wrote a hub about it.

As you know when saten was cast out of heaven as were his followers, saten was given power over the earth. Racism was just one of the horrible things saten created.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest,

People have been blinded by satan, they can be racist and not even know that they are racist.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Michael-Milec,

You are correct. People have rejected God. They are more interested in money. Satan is blinding people. You have read Revelation, so you understand what I am writing about.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

Yes there is so much tragedy in the world today.

When he said " You are sowing evil, you are going to harvest the same" who was he talking to?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

PQ

As I told you before, I am not follow Obama. You even read the hub I wrote about him.

http://hubpages.com/politics/Can-Obama-Still-Be-Th...


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

@ Patriot Quest. Your question is OK, could be mine as well. Agree, , "thank God, there is some common sense left in the world" . Common sense , though is based on normal native intelligence ...My statement about " sowing evil" meant to be of general application, my apology for not putting it in parenthesis. Thank you.

@ Michele: hope it has been clarified whom is being talked to : to everyone .


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Michael-Milec

I do believe it is true that you are talking to everyone in this entire world. When reading Revelation it is very true.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Today I discussed racism with my students. Most of them don't pay attention to the news and don't know about comments sections under article. I copies and pasted several of Patriotic Quest's and we discussed in class. Most of my kids are Hispanic. I went to several sites and copied comments made about Hispanics. A Native American student commented on irony of Patriotic's name and his comments.


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

I am so glad that Michele wrote this article and DianeTrotter I am very glad that you are discussing it and the comments with your students. More discussion and understanding is needed for all of us to find more of our similarities rather than our differences.

Michele Travis, you have written an interesting, thought provoking, and discussion provoking article. I thank you for allowing us to discuss and comment as some people might have turned the comments off on a topic like this.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Thanks up Express!


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

For the record I too believe in God and go to a house of worship on Sundays. Now you want to bring God in to play??? Over a million people on welfare, we spent a billion dollars giving Obama phones to people last year, huge percentage were minorities............my bible says if a man wont work he wont eat!!! Most of you have this politicaly correct idea that I can't call it as I see it because that would be disrespective or rude?? Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

continued: color of their skin is wrong! I grew up near the border, I know first hand the majority have no desire to assimulate and become Americans,.........I few years ago I drove by Permian High School (Friday night lights) during Sinco Demio and they were flying the Mexican Flag over the school!...................This is why I fight against accepting cultures that are detrimental to America! How many of you see grave stones up and down the highway in Tx and Arizona?? do you remember seeing them 20 years ago?? If you want to keep YOUR country you better start speaking out! The culture will change and you will LOSE your lifestyle! This is NOT racism, I dont care what color they are, I care about their culture that doesn't portray America.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

PQ, were they flying the American Flag also?

Cinco de Mayo—or the fifth of May—commemorates the Mexican army's 1862 victory over France at the Battle of Puebla during the Franco-Mexican War (1861-1867). A holiday in Mexico, in the United States Cinco de Mayo has evolved into a celebration of Mexican culture and heritage, particularly in areas with large Mexican-American populations. Cinco de Mayo traditions include parades, mariachi music performances and street festivals in cities and towns across Mexico and the United States.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Patriot Quest

" color of their skin is wrong!"

YOU ARE RACIST!!!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Sorry my mistake

Patriot Quest,

Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the color of their skin is wrong! At least this is a good comment.

But, this comment is racist.

" The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem."


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Expess I don't turn off comments, even when I am wrong. But, this time, I don't believe I am wrong. And this hub will not be turn off. Thank you so much for continuing to comment!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Wow! Thank you so much Diane, you students must have learned so much, yesterday. You are a fantastic teacher!


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Is it really? I am simply saying this is why they have over 40% unemployment, why 40% of abortions in NY are from Black Mothers, why 70% of black fathers do not stay with their famlies and raise their children. .............I sincerely want some help here? So I guess your trying to tell me to suck it up and admit their troubles stem from just ME??? Because I am a racist the entire black community is suffering and being killed by half hispanics???????.....never mind Miss Rice has a horrific childhood and becomes successfull? No matter Mr. Cain ran for president and is a huge success as CEO of a major pizza company? ................what do you want from me???


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I don't want anything from you. To be honest, I don't want anything at all from you.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

You don't want anything from me because the truth is painful........much easier to blame someone than look in mirror!


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Express10 3 years ago from East Coast

That is the problem with racism...people blaming people who are different for their problems. Choosing "cultures that are detrimental against America" simply because a group chooses to fly their home country's flag? I have never taken issue with my Russian friends who fly the Russian flag on American soil...they are here on work visas and others are visiting, not Americans.

I would not take issue with Africans, Mexicans, Brazilians, or anyone who is here and wants to fly their home country's flag because that is the thing about AMERICA, we can do as we please, AND SO CAN OTHERS. This is where human respect must come in. A majority or all people in one group being blamed as the "cultural detriment to America" is extremely biased and racist.

As for that phone program, I remember seeing those commercials for free phones long before B. Obama became our President the first time around yet, you choose to say that this program is his...another symptom. Good day PQ.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

You want the truth? Ok, You are racist and you rant. Here are your racist comments

1) Black culture is horrid. Any downtrodding they suffer is at their own hands!

2) Racism is only alive because the black community KEEPS it alive!

3) TRavon got what he deserved, wether it be death or punishment.

4) Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America. That my friends is NOT racism. 70% of black children born out of wedlock, blacks kill blacks daily, highest rate of drop outs, highest rate of abortions, highest rate of violence with guns, highest rate of aids per capita, highest rate of welfare, highest rate in prison per capita................are you with me???

5) .Never do you see whites complaining about the injustice of blacks. According to fact we the whites are the ones that need to scream foul! NOT the Black communty! One half white killed a single black man?? you are outraged?? I gave you the numbers of rapes and killings black on white crime? You act as if that never happened??? The numbers alone show hate crimes, racism, and the comments by the black community. Whites are too busy WORKING to pay the welfare and food stamps of the black community to worry about the sin of slavery that happened so long ago none of us remember it...........except those blacks that keep it alive...........my ancestors were slaves too.........it's why we left for the promise land. (by the way, when you are talking about slaves, please tell me who they were, where they sold into slavery?)

6) Michele I take great offense at your hub claiming I am racist and the thought process that America is a racist country. Therefore I am not rude in defending something so serious. ( I still think America is racist)

7) New statistic for you came out Friday, 71% of blacks are unemployed. Only 6% of Asians are unemployed? Anyone care to explain that? Am I a racist? I have a lunch date every Monday with our HR man..........he is black and a wonderful friend. Folks, You can't fix problems until your brave enough to admit what those problems really are. Rush and FOX lie? Well not according to watch dog groups, but if that is so then where is your info coming from? The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America.

8) I am simply saying this is why they have over 40% unemployment, why 40% of abortions in NY are from Black Mothers, why 70% of black fathers do not stay with their famlies and raise their children. .............I sincerely want some help here? So I guess your trying to tell me to suck it up and admit their troubles stem from just ME??? Because I am a racist the entire black community is suffering and being killed by half hispanics???????.....never mind Miss Rice has a horrific childhood and becomes successfull? No matter Mr. Cain ran for president and is a huge success as CEO of a major pizza company? ................what do you want from me???

copies of my comments

1) I don't know what GZ will feel for the rest of his life. Some places defend him, and some do not. But, if he does think about his child dying, then maybe he will understand the true pain Martin's family feels.

2) Steve K I understand what you are saying. By the way fox news is stupid. They cover up, as much as possible. They are full crap. Kind of like stupid tabloids newspapers. Anyway, your comment is wonderful. I do wonder if any one of them would feel if they had a child that the same thing happened. What if one of them had a child who was killed by a man who followed him, by a man on foot patrol. Would they finally understand what Tryvon's parents felt?

Some idiots keep claiming racism is gone, but is has not, in one of my hubs I wrote racism was created by satan, I believe it is true.

3) Express10 There is so much evidence that TM was not committing a crime. He was just walking home. Unless being black is a crime. I keep reading "evidence" that goes back and forth. This makes me sad, it truly does.

Maybe I am idiot, but I feel racism is a crime in a person's soul.

4)Here is one racist group in America

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_neo-nazis_c

http://kkkknights.com/about_us This is what they say

"Our children have no chance to make it now if we don't stick together and fight for WHITE PEOPLES RIGHTS. The Blacks have the NAACP the Mexicans La Raza and the Jews have the ADL. We whites all across America have the Ku Klux Klan; fighting for a Brighter Whiter America."

There are more hate groups in America over 1,000 here are just a few

white nationalists, neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, and black separatists, and some specialize in producing racist music or propaganda denying the Holocaust. ( There are white groups that hate black people, but I am going to list more groups)

5) Here is a list of hate groups in the United States of America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations

186 separate Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups with 52 websites

196 neo-Nazi groups with 89 websites

111 white nationalist groups with 190 websites

98 white power skinhead groups with 25 websites

39 Christian Identity groups with 37 websites

93 neo-Confederate groups with 25 websites

113 black separatist groups with 40 websites

90 general hate groups (subdivided into anti-gay, Holocaust denial, racist music, radical traditionalist Catholic and others)[12][13] with 172 hate websites.[14]

To be honest I include groups that hates white people, but groups that hate people who are not white a huge as the others. By the way do you deny the Holocaust?

I can also list how many are in each state.

6) The justice system is holding them back.

http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/pdfs/fac

I can put more of these facts into this comment. But, they give the same statistics.

How much more data do you want? Racism is all over the place. Even though the president is 1/2 black and 1/2 white

7)One more thing PQ

Even though President Obama is the first black president, he has received about 30 death threats per day. That means death threats against Obama has increased by 400%, more then any other president has ever had. Not only against him, but also his family. So, racism has not gone away, just because Obama has become president.

8) There are so many links I could give you stating the same facts in the one above.

I do not agree with everything Obama has done, I am not a follower. I love God. The only thing I hate is racism, because I believe that racism was created by satan. I even wrote a hub about it.

As you know when saten was cast out of heaven as were his followers, saten was given power over the earth. Racism was just one of the horrible things saten created.

9) Patriot Quest

" color of their skin is wrong!"

YOU ARE RACIST!!!

10) Sorry my mistake

Patriot Quest,

Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the color of their skin is wrong! At least this is a good comment.

But, this comment is racist.

" The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem."


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Express

I think this is called " Freedom.

Wonderful comment.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele what you call Freedom I call oppression, .....................You and Express are what America is made of these days. While you stand proudly and claim victory over conservative value, we stand with tears watching the country our forefathers died for be taken over by entitlment minded and outside elements claiming "Freedom" My great uncle who died on Normandy would role over in his grave if he knew his tax dollars went to support a government run public school with a Mexican flag flying over it. I don't owe anyone anything, Health care and housing is not a privelige everyone deserves, America was built on individualism, that is how it became the greatest country on earth! You guys are destroying that...........Your thoughts and ideas are what destroyed Detroit, NY, CA, and many others...............when oh when will you learn.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I have epilepsy, and a very bad case of it. I am on disability and have had two surgeries for it. I am on Medicaid. If I lose the ability to pay for medications, I will probably die, because when I have seizures I stop breathing. Without Medicaid ( and yes your tax dollars do pay for it) I cannot afford the medication which keeps me from having seizures. Take away the tax that keeps me from having seizures, and you will win this argument. The last time I was in the hospital, July 15th 2013, they had to help me breath.

Medicaid will be taken away, you will pay fewer taxes, I will die, and you will will this argument.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Typical liberal Michele, always putting words in our mouths, Reminds me how every election "Republicans want to kill granny" ARGH! No one including me ever said we don't have compassion on others and those in dire need..........back to subject, If I am racist then how do I or anyone else address any problems of other people or races? See I know if Black America (as a whole) raised their children the way we raise ours they would forget race etc. If a black man comes in our office well dressed and speaking English I don't believe race ever comes into anyones head, its never thought of, But if a black man speaking bubonics comes in with pants around his rear showing his underwear and his hat sitting sideways with a giant gold money symbol on his neck wants a job then he probably wont be qualified, nor looked at serious................so does he leave believing we are racist????????? You make think I am simply being argumentitive but I am truly truly trying to learn something here? .......something I don't understand?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Not a liberal, vote for different presidents. Voted for Reagan. Didn't vote for Obama for a second term in office. Wrote a hub against him ( you already know about that one)

I am sure your children are perfect, aren't they?

By the way, who don't you hate?

Liberals -yes

people on disability-Yes

people with major mediacal problems-yes

blacks-Yes

children of black people-yes

hispanics- yes

sick people-yes

White people born in the United States who have jobs-no

By the way, I wish the kids would pull up their pants also, and not wear the ugly gold chain around his neck.

There is more then racism in the world, there is much more.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

I already said I have no problem with tax dollars going to help TRULY needy. 40 million on welfare? Are you serious they are all in NEED?

My two daughters both graduated college, one has a masters, the other a bachelors, my son spent 3 years at Tech and then went into business for himself in the oil field, He has owned this business for 5 years, Last year he took home over 700k,.............no they are not perfect but they contribute and take from NO ONE!..........that is how I RAISED them! Michele, you are typical of the left, dont care how you voted, You can write all day but you cant support yourself?????????????? hmmmmmmm


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I have BSN and have been looking for a job. No one will hire a nurse with epilepsy. The cost of the medical insurance is too high. Besides they are afraid I will have a seizure while working.

No experience in the writing field. Too many people have experience there and have gone to college for it.

Are you going to continue to insult me, because I have a serious illness? One that can kill me? I am not lying. I have even wrote a hub about it. My head it bald and you can see the scar left from the surgery.

What do I have to have to keep you from insulting me?

Six months or less to live?

By the way, can you hire me?????? hmmmmmmmm


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele, I think possibly he can't read. You have explained your political view, illness, referred to past articles, etc. Don't worry about it. You are going to work yourself up for no reason.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane, my last comment was simply sarcasm. He probably did not understand that. I am not worked up, it has been going on for such a long time. Getting worked up is a think of the past now)

By the way, no matter what happens, when it comes to my health, I have already given my life to God. Everyday I pray for God to lead me down the path He wants me to follow. Loving God is what really matters.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane,

I even wrote a poem about it called " God's Path to Follow"

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Gods-Path-...


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele, I gave you a thumbs up and said "beautiful." How someone could claim to love God and hate people is amazing? Christians are convicted by the Holy Spirit. God is using you in a most awesome way. When we are weak, in Him we are strong.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Diane, as I have said before and we say it again, it is a blessing that we are sisters because of God,

God bless you.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele, No one is insulting you. You and diane think you have me figured out. How can you know me? Have either of you bothered to read any of my hubs? Read the one concerning the crippled boy, read the poem titled Mr. Milfred. Why not see where I am coming from before being so critical. My mother was extremely overweight, she was denied nursing school twice. She finaly lost the weight, she is now 69 years old and head over 3 MHMRs, she makes over 6 figures per year! You think we don't know what racism prejudice is?? We NEVER took a dime from anyone! We were taught it was wrong to have 10 fingers and 10 toes and impose on those already struggling to make ends meet! We were taught that our flag represents something sacred! Meaning this aint MEXICO and no damn flag of theirs has the right to fly over a public school that I am paying for! Those that suffered to build this country deserve more than those taking and abusing the system! I have nothing against any of you. I simply want to understand where your thinking was ingrained inside you and gave you every opportunity to teach me or persuade me that you were right. Instead I got silly left wing opinion articles and rude behaviour..........why? Because all either of you can do is complain, name call and pat yourselves on the back. You can't convince me your right because you have nothing concrete to use.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Why is making money so important to you? I have read some of your hubs. The one about Russia made me stop. Do you know anything about what life is like in Russia? For the people who live there, not just tourists.

My husband spent some time in Russia, to help people. It is not a very good place to be, it is not better to live in Russia then the United States. Maybe you should live there and see what it is truly like to live in Russia.

I will read more of your hubs.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Michele, I know exactly what Russia is about. I simply used puttins analogy that we should not cater to immigrants. One must realize that immigration is NOT the same as it was 100 yrs ago. Then they came to be Americans, now they come to take from America. Most have no desire to assimulate etc. .............We now have to print everything in two languages, spanish TV, spanish radio, spanish menues.............when was the last time you came to west TEXAS???


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

By the way, you never gave me any way to prove I was right. Your hubs are written to prove that everything is wrong with this country. The South Should Rise Again

No one but you raises their children correctly.

As for nothing concrete to use, did you not pay any attention to the statistics I put in this hub? You believe racism does not exist at all.

That is truly amazing.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Was in Texas about 4 years ago. Houston. The same as all big cities. Wrote more about Russia. My husband went to Russia for a while to help them understand more about Jesus Christ, and God.

Do you live in Texas?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Read you hubs. Gave you a complement on one of the poems, but not the one about Russia. You will probably call me stupid. It has truth in it. Even the fact about Russia and nuclear material being provided to Iran, which could start WW3. You will insult me again.

Have a great day!


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Jeff Porter 3 years ago from Georgia

Thanks for the article. I disagree that there was racism on Zimmermans side of this issue. There is zero proof that Zimmerman used race as a factor for anything. Though, if you listen to NBC's doctored 911 tapes, where they rearranged sentences, it would so. NBC should be ashamed of what they did to stir the racial tensions into a case where none existed. The FBI investigated Zimmerman and issued an 11 page report stating that very fact. The facts were that Zimmerman broke zero laws that night. Do I think he should have made a different choice and not followed Martin? I sure do. But, he broke no crime in doing so.

The only crime committed seems to have been Martin assaulting Zimmerman.

And I hear people say "well, I would have done the same thing if someone were following me."

Fine. It doesn't change that it would be a crime to do so if they did.

I honestly hate that Martin died. It is a tragedy, for sure.

But it wasn't about racism.

And to see our media, and our celebrities continue to say there was, depsite no evidence to prove it, is dishonest and misleading.

And for Oprah to say that the Trayvon case is 'the same thing' as the Emmett Till case, that helped spark the civil rights movement, is wrong. She's wrong. Anyone looking at the two cases can see that.

But, people will hear Oprah say that, and, because she's famous, they'll simply take her word for it.

What a dangerous thing.

I dislike racism, and I applaud anyone who stands against it. But, find it where it exists, do not invent it to serve your agenda, which is what Sharpton and Jackson do. Do not turn your eye to racism where it does exist, but it happens to be going in a direction that doesn't serve your agenda.

(I'm not speaking of you, the author, personally.)

We, as a nation, need to unite. We are currently allowing ourselves to be divided by people with an agenda, and that's destructive and dangerous; and it will seet race relations back.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Jeff Porter I agree with you that as a nation we should unite. But, what I do not understand is, why the media is making this issue look so racist, that things are getting worse. The media is lying, and people believe what the media reports.

I just wonder why the media is doing this. It makes no sense.

You are correct on so many points.

Yes, it is a very dangerous thing.

Why is it getting worse?

I don't know the answer to that one. I wish I did.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Michele, it sounds to me like black people cannot be trusted.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane

Nor, the media


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Michael-Milec 3 years ago

Lie doesn't have color. Liers cannot be trusted . It's very dangerous to lie. Everything is going to be revealed at the judgment day, everything is already recorded. It is painfully disgusting how many people, can live with their lies, look into mirror nd live with themselves, talking to their spouses and children and relatives, and know that they lie, their lies are recorded in the news paper what they said before and isnt so, and so many " citizens" believe those lies, because those are called by politicins only " honest mistakes." Why aren't those liers exposed publicly and ordinary honest God-fearing ,hard working people unite under one Truth which can be find only in knowing what is right and being done what is right. It makes me sad that some of so called Reverends do not teach people, that liers won't make heaven nd life eternal with God and His redeemed ones. Meanwhile, eternity is pretty long time and a hell is pretty hot, and that is place where the liers will spent eternity with the satan and his servants. You might say tha this is nonsense, and that's OK with me. God the almighty, Creatoe of the universe won't change what he already said, and I don't need to proove anything , neither to defend anything; least to have discussion ...


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

No, you don't. Remember when it teaches us in the book of Revelation, satan will blind us from the truth. I think that is happening now. This is just one of the things that satan is blinding us from.

Thank you so much for your comment, you know how much I agree with them. They are very true.

God bless you


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Diane,

If what you said is true then this is also true,

Rush Limbaugh is quiet, soft spoken, honest, intelligent, and a liberal.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

chickens with lips! snakes with hips!


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

lol, that works for me too!


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Sarah Christina 3 years ago from Fresno, CA

There was nothing paradoxical about what I said. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about it because I can't prove it. Most of the incriminating evidence against Treyvon has been removed and blocked from the public eye.

I'm not here to argue or create division. I'm here to bring the truth to people's eyes. And the truth is the government is trying to orchestrate civil unrest. Why? Most likely in order to gain even more control over the American people, who's rights have already been systematically stripped.

I do understand why black folks will always feel the need to defend their own kind, and that is fine. Every race feels the need to defend their "group" when they feel they are a target of racism or treated unfairly. And that's OK. But what's not OK is retaliation. I know someone who has family in L.A. and they called their mother to make sure she was OK, because she is Latina and groups of black people were attacking Latinos in her neighborhood/area. All because Zimmerman is part Chilean. I just don't understand that kind of behavior. What would MLK say, if he was alive today and saw this behavior going on?

Racism is wrong but it goes both ways and I've met some black people that claim "I can't be racist 'cause I'm black." To me, that is just hypocritical. Now, I'm not saying all black people act this way. That's the problem with racism -- it tries to paint things like its only a particular race of people (or multiple races) are inherently "bad" and that another race of people are inherently "good." In truth, it's just human beings that are "bad" or "good." It doesn't matter what race people are, they are good people and bad people represented in every racial group. But human beings in general seem to have the nasty habit of segregating themselves into groups and making their group seem better than the other groups. We need to move beyond this pack mentality, if we ever hope to make any progress in this world.


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Jeff Porter 3 years ago from Georgia

To say "I can't be racist because I'm black" IS hypocritical, and it's also very ridiculous.

Sadly, without qualifying that statement with further clarification "any race can have racists as members", I know that my original statement will also be viewed as a racist statement by some.


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dianetrotter 3 years ago from Fontana

Sarah Christina, I'm interested in the info that was hidden. How do you know about it? Do you know someone that was involved in the coverup? The best way to deal with problems is to unpack them. As long as race is spoken of in generalizations, there will be people who present opposing evidence to support their views. However, I am all for knowing the truth about whatever and deciding for myself. 90+% of my students are Hispanic. I try to create an environment so students can say how they feel and respect the right of others to disagree. That way a discussion can occur with less chance of someone becoming offended. I make sure they all understand the difference between fact and personal belief.

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