10 Reason Why Blacks Shouldn’t Vote Democrat!

Alabama Governor George Wallace, a Democrat, stands at the door of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama in an attempt to prohibit two black students, Vivian Malone and James Hood, from attending college at that school.
Alabama Governor George Wallace, a Democrat, stands at the door of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama in an attempt to prohibit two black students, Vivian Malone and James Hood, from attending college at that school. | Source

Over my lifetime I have seen the most curious occurrence. I have seen a whole group of people turn against themselves and anyone who would wish to reverse the trend. Why would I say that Blacks have turn against themselves? It is because they have neglected what is in their individual best interest and supported the best interest of those who say that they lead them but in fact only rule them.

Many of us know the story of Malcolm X. As a young boy a White Supremacist group murdered his father and Malcolm was left fatherless. The lack of a father in the home led to Malcolm becoming involved in loose living and criminal activity that led to him being incarcerated. Once in jail, Malcolm found a religious group, The Nation of Islam that gave him a place to belong and be respected and learn self-respect. As he rose to the top of the organization he found it corrupt and inaccurate about Islam in his eyes. Malcolm had a change of heart. This change of heart cost him his life. This is the fear that still is pervasive in the Black community. What is this fear? That if you do not side with the majority you will be alienated or worse yet, killed. As Black Americans we need to re-awaken the courage that is lying dormant within and show the courage of our fathers. We need to break the shackles of mental slavery that have been chained around our minds and learn once again to think for ourselves. Those who call themselves “Black Leaders” have either been bought or are dealers in hate. The Democratic Party has paid those who’ve been bought off and those who deal in hate would tell you there is no need to vote. I believe both are wrong. Below is a list of 10 reasons Black Americans should stay away from the Democratic Party. You can read my other posts that tell you why Blacks should vote for the Republican Party.

1. Slavery – the members of what is now the Democratic Party were slave owners until Pres. Lincoln and the Republican Party ended the practice.

2. Jim Crow Laws – laws that were passed to segregate the races and keep Blacks in their place were passed in the south by Democratic legislators.

3. Lynching – members of the Democratic Party formed the racial terrorist groups such as the White Knights and the Ku Klux Klan that were formed after emancipation. These groups used the practice of lynching to keep Blacks in terror.

4. Peonage – which is a form of involuntary servitude, was practiced in the south by Democrats.

5. Assassinations – the prominent voices of Black freedom from Pres. Lincoln to Rev. King (other than Malcolm X) were assassinated by operatives of the Democratic Party.

6. Opposition to Civil Rights – the majority of Democrats voted against every Civil Rights Bill from 1865 – 1965.

7. Soft Slavery – Democrats enslave the Black Community today with give-aways and set-asides. They assume Blacks are of low intelligence and need to be given more than an opportunity. They give a hand out instead of a real hand up.

8. Eugenics – the founders of Planned Parenthood “planned” to eliminate the “inferior” races through abortion was started by the left. Now Planned Parenthood has more clinics set up in poor Black and Hispanic neighborhoods than other neighborhoods. The Democrats are supporters of abortion on demand.

9. Taxation – while most blacks think they pay less tax because they are poor, the Democrats sneak in “sin” taxes to tax the poor who are more likely than the rich to smoke and drink. They are now planning excessive taxes on what they consider to be unhealthy food choices, such as fast food.

10.Racial Discrimination – by using the semantics for “multiculturalism” the Democrats have successfully resegregated communities by race and then turn them against each other so that they can gain government favoritism.

For these reasons and a host of others I recommend not voting for the Democratic Party. If for some reason you can’t yet bring yourself to vote for the Republican Party, I encourage you to do credible research of first hand sources, your opinion will change.

Credible sources include autobiographies of Black leaders from1850 – 1970 along with historical accounts that were written during the time they occurred. I have found the news of the New York Times is a great online source. When the political party of the individuals involved in the event is not mentioned, simply look the people up. If you really want to know then you’ll look, if you want to remain a blind sheep, you won’t.

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junko 4 years ago

Can you give me 5 good reasons why blacks should vote Republican? Can you give me 5 good reasons why anybody should vote Republican?



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gmwilliams 4 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

You have presented some excellent points in this hub. You are about to garner some intense arguments and discussions in the comments.


Chasuk 4 years ago

It might be a bit unkind to use George Wallace as an example, as he did repent, and I believe it was sincere.


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

If you don't mind I would like to honor junkos request!

Junko,

All though not all Republicans are truly conservative the first reason to vote repub is a better opportunity to get a true conservative

reason number 2- Conservatism created the greatest country on earth, socialism has destroyed almost every country on earth and those still standing are beginning to see the era of their ways

reason number 3 Conservative values keep govt. from fining a mother who sends her child to school with a turkey sandwich and a bottle of juice for lunch because "they" don't see that lunch as fit!

reason number 4- Conservatives will always keep a strong military to save and protect your #$%#$ ass.

reason number 5- Conservatives will always fight to keep taxation and regulation to a minimum, ensuring those with ambition of the opportunity to find the American dream through their hard work and ideas!

No other country can boast of all these things at once! Thousands upon thousands have died to preserve this wonderful ideology........we fight those like you daily who can only dream of destroying it for us and our children!

wonderful hub by the way! voted up!


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junko 4 years ago

Sorry A.R. that was Conservative tea party hogwash coupled with Conservative vs socialism non-issues. One can compare capitalism,communism, and socialism, but only the very far right try to make conservatism simular to those concepts. Maybe it would be o'k if you pulled that trigger in your daydream, mentioned in your latest hub. Maybe you couldn't really help your neighbors after all.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

Interesting hub

I know the history of the democrat party, and of the republican party. All of those people are dead.

The people who populate those parties today are different than those people and a lot of them or most of them don't believe what the people in the past incarnations of those parties believed or share their exact views or values.

Are you saying that the republicans in the house and senate are like Lincoln?

Just sayings democrats and republicans, to me, is broad brushing and clouding the issues. It's implying good verses evil. It's a form of discrimination and prejudice (prejudging) All individuals who are democrates are bad. All individuals who are republicans are good.

This is the problem with racism or any isms it's an all of them or none of them attitude. This creates an us against them mentality. All blacks are seen as the same. All whites are seen as the same, all republicans, democrates, etc, etc,

I think it's wiser to look at individuals not just groups. Aren't there good and bad people in all groups and organizations?

Do you want to be punished for something your brother did just because you're in the same family? Do you want people to judge your whole family as bad because some members of your family go out and commit crimes?

I'm sure someone who has a view that's the opposite of yours could come with ten or more reasons that they feel are valid as to why blacks shouldn't vote for republicans.


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Blawger 4 years ago from California

Very interesting and well-researched but I have to agree with Chasuk and Vveasy. As it stands, the republican party is anti-minority, anti-women, and anti-middle class. It is mind boggling to see people in these groups voting Republican. I choose my political party affiliation based on current policies, not antiquated policies that no longer have any effect.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Junko, check my other hub, Why Blacks Should Vote Republican. Thanks for commenting.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Chasuk, thanks for your comment. You are correct George Wallace did repent, I too believe he was sincere but isn't it ironic that Democrats can have a sincere repentance and Republicans (who as a party) have no reason to repent are racist. Go figure.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

gmwilliams, thanks for commenting. Intense arguments, bring it!


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

American Romance, thanks for reading and commenting, while I wouldn't have said it that way I do believe the Republican Party's platform to be best for America. Just for the record I don't think all White Democrats are racist either. I think the Democrats platform is harmful to America and especially Black Americans who vote for them.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

junko, I think the real issue is which party gives more power and freedom to the individual. Most Democrats are concerned about the well being of any particular group while they are not as concern with the power and freedom of the individual. Generally the only power they are interested in is the power of the government to take power from the people. We see this in the types of laws that are passed. Anyway, everyone seem to be hung up on the word and not the true meaning of the word. If you look at what each party actually does this is more important than what they call themselves whether it be liberal, progressive, conservative, etc. Show me the results for the people, show me the moral fiber of the party then I'll choose. And for me the choice is clear, the Republican Party.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

vveasey, thanks for reading and good comment. I am talking about political parties here and the people who run them and the platform they run on. When a person chooses to represent a party's platform and run under its banner they are saying that they agree in principle with the group. Therefore, they can be judged as a group. As far as the family goes that is a completely different category of argumentation which doesn't fit. You are born into a family and families usually don't have a code of ethics called a platform that they conduct business under. Should the Democrats who advocate abortion on demand all be called pro-abortion? Yes, if you choose to run under that banner. Is their someone else out there who "feels" blacks shouldn't vote for Republicans, I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands who do but these are not my "feeling" these are my thoughts based on facts.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Blawger, thanks for reading and commenting. If you truly are basing you vote on current events then you must agree with reasons 7-10 on my list. I'm not sure how the soft slavery of low expectations isn't anti-minority but it is a Democratic policy. I'm not sure how sin taxes aren't anti-middle class or how abortion isn't anti-women. Maybe you could ask the millions of female babies that would have been adult women by now but were aborted whether it was anti-woman to fight for their lives. Think about, okay?


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American Romance 4 years ago from America

Right Black, reading everyones comments tells me the reason Obama continues to ride high in the polls! Did you know Republicans were anti woman? Did you know they were anti minority? and anti middle class? She heard Obama say this so many times she believes it without ever taking the time to learn the truth!

I am so sad to see so many simply hear a speech and proclaim OMG this is the truth!.........then ten days later they forget the speech and the supposed truth behind it!

They have forgotten Obama saying he will save this economy in 36 months if we allow him to spend 1 trillion dollars of taxpayer money!

They have no clue about the rich not paying their fair share! I wonder how many know that according to the IRS the rich pay 80% of all American bills including 67 million that are on welfare!

I wonder why they never realize that every time a Democrat runs for office he or she proclaims they will care for the poor and help them out of misery..........only each term of democrats causes more and more to drop into poverty! They NEVER see change from Democrats but continue to believe in them! WHY?????

Anyone can study Reagan and know how he helped all classes!

Common sense says even if it were true the Pubs only take care of the rich a poor person should vote Republican! Why? because if the rich are helped to get richer I know I have a better chance of getting a job!...........I never got a job from a poor person have you?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

I hear you RB

but I see the facts as being a little more complicated than that.

In each party you can have those who are more conservative, moderate, or liberal.

I'd say Lincoln was more of a liberal. Conservatives want to conserve the status quo. The status quo was slavery. Lincoln didn't believe in slavery and didn't want to conserve it. So he would have been seen as more of a liberal, don't you think?

When the democrats had majorities in the house and senate, there were those who made those majorities insignificant by voting against the majority because they were more conservative or moderate etc.

Therefore just because people are in the democrat or republican political party doesn't necessarily mean they will always vote with the majority or party platform.

The family example was just an analogy about judging everyone in a group by what some in that group do.


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50 Caliber 4 years ago from Arizona

Right Black, by definition, not party, not media, but by Merriam Webster definition, I am a Conservative, progressive. I want to progress forward in a conservative way that equates to ending the "all or nothing" mentality.

1. stop the electoral votes from any state being all by majority. If they have 20 electoral votes a 51 percent win by primary votes equates to all votes going that direction even though 49 percent said "NO"

I firmly believe that the intended way of the elections by electoral collage representative votes, would have prevented the election of many, to include Obama.

2. Get rid of the hidden "Super Delegates" and the rolling changes that dictate them as pledged to the all or nothing rule or un-pledged, for sale votes.

A Democratic idea, that if we are losing pitch the extras into play. I don't mean to leave out the repubs get that option as well.

3. Super packs, put in play on this presidential watch, effectively putting the seat up for sale. Is that not what Blogovich was convicted of? Selling a seat? Did not Obama attempt to bribe (buy a seat)a candidate to drop out of a senate seat race? Holder failed to prosecute? Why? You know the top guy who committed the crime wasn't going to charge himself!

In reality Obama should have been charged and impeached for that sole event. My first thoughts were "good we can now pull together as Americans, dropping political correct speak of any terminology required as a prefix regarding a country that says we are not racist but label colors African or Hispanic before we call them Americans. I don't get it?

If Right Black and Junko went fishing with me and the next day I was telling fishing lies about how big the fish were, It would be "I drug my boat to the lake with two guys or buddies and we went fishing for channel cat man we caught bla bla bla" I wouldn't say yesterday I took my boat out with a black Republican and a white Democrat chasin' cat fish, bla bla"

Where and when are we going to drop this rhetoric close the divisions and build an America where we all fit in?

I'm sorry for another book Right Black, I just get wound up, Junko and I have agreed to disagree in the light of I don't give a hoot your party, I'll help you anyway I can and that goes for color as well.

This whole thing is a chess game that is working for somebody, just not us, we are not included in the "Know" we are tools and being used to end up in a revolt where the killing goes rabid or just the marches that have been stifled by presidential decree that he can loose the troops at his discretion if freedom of speech in sight of his security detail is seen.

What is wrong with America? Black people come together way better than whites and march, but not any more, unless it's hale to King Obama! then it will be allowed. I got nothing more to add except remember when you sat and said nothing things got to where you could no longer say anything.

I write to congressmen of all states asking why? was obama allowed to bribe in an election and you did not speak for your people?

I got 1 return loosely saying "I brought it up, but the senate refused to hear it" it fell to the floor, the person was elected and didn't chase the bribe into the supreme court, he did nothing, a Republican.

Bhoner has done nothing as house majority, the dems had a chiwhawa pelosi, she barked at all the repub cars that drove by but she failed to act on this as well.It like the other violations of the presidential office have been blocked and dropped, we can not expect a win for the lower class if we refuse to join hands and demand our votes be heard and laws enforced.

Here they are fencing me into Arizona, no more trips to Mexico in my sand rail to get coca-cola made in heavy glass bottles and with sugar. It is ending, go ahead and elect your executioner one more time, that is all it will take.

I wish you all peace, water and food in 2016

dust


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royalblkrose 4 years ago from florida

no, I haven't researched either party... I look at results, and as a result of observation... I chose independent- as it's pretty obvious that democrats and republicans are out of touch with the lower and middle classes...


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wba108@yahoo.com 4 years ago from upstate, NY

You hit the nail on the head my friend! Everything you said is true, even though it's the truth many simply hate hearing but as we know, the truth hurts! The Democrats have tried to dress up their past with their patronage to the black community but as you aptly pointed out they've created a new plantation of dependancy in their promotion of social programs and racial strife!


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

American Romance, maybe we are going about this all wrong. We are try to use logic maybe we should use emotion. Republicans are for blacks, women, the middle-class, babies, mom and apple pie. There! OMG, it's true!


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

vveasey, you are right that the issues are complex. The real complexity is the semantics. Do Liberals really believe in liberty? If so, why are they always passing laws to take them away? Was Lincoln a liberal, yes but he believed in liberty! Democrats stipulate a different meaning to words then use them on the public and before anyone is the wiser they have done what Pres. Obama said he would do. That is to fundamentally change America. I don't think this is necessary we need some corrections but life, liberty, property and justice for all doesn't need much changing. Republicans want this status quo not a radical new America which looks like Europe or anywhere else for that matter. This is the finest experiment in freedom in the world and I think we might be giving it away. Is the Republican party perfect? No! You are correct that just because a person is a member of the party they will always vote with the party but the Democrats do about 80% of the time. That is too much of the time for me because when it counts you can't count on them to vote against the party and do what's right. Members of a party voluntarily adhere to the platform, true but this is what they stick too most of the time.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

50 caliber, thanks for firing once again! I don't agree with everything you say like the electoral college but I do recognize that America would be much better if we all came together and corrected our failings. The problem is we don't agree on what they are. We also play the spin game instead of looking at the facts. As long as the mainstream media can spin the facts to their liking and the masses won't look into it, middle America looses. The only way anyone wins is if we have smaller discussions like we do on hubpages. I'm not trying to convince junko but maybe someone who reads his post will reconsider, who knows. We also get embattle in the blame game which is based on emotion and not fact. Spin, spin, spin, all I want are the facts. Thanks for voicing your opinion.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

royalblkrose, thanks for reading and commenting. Maybe you should do the research and look at those results as well. Remember George Santayana's famous words, “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Now for those of us with black skin that is really rather scary.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

wba108@yahoo.com, thanks for comment and reading, come again.


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY

Right Black great job on the hub but why is at that you Republican historians fail to point out one very important fact about party history? That being that after the civil rights bill was passed most of the racist Democrats switched parties. This is why the south which was once Democratic is now Republican.

The Republican party of yesterday was actually a bunch of progressives and not conservatives. (FACT)

Blacks vote Democratic because they fear that by not doing so their lives me be in danger? I guess you got up this morning and tossed on your flak jacket before walking the dog. Please show us a case of a black person murdered for voting Republican.

Set asides and give aways? I take it that by set asides you mean business related minority benefits and by give aways you mean types of public assistance. Simply defining these will encourage blacks why they should continue voting the Democratic Party. First you state that addressing the historic system of racism that has led to unfair advantages in contracting and financing in business is dumbing down the black business community. I am only guessing, because like most Republicans you like to give an accurate account of the history you like then like your blog things get grey. Anyway, if this is what you meant by set asides the numbers tend to point in another direction. Addressing unfair practices and using mechanisms to make the playing field less imbalanced does not equate to dumbing down, it actually addresses historic racism.

As far as give aways are concerned, I blindly take it you are talking about public assistance type programs that are economically based, not racially based as you imply. Public assistance is a part of our society, the riches in world to provide a substandard level of living to those in poverty. Do you suggest we simply allow them to starve to death?

News flash - the majority of black people in this country (yourself included) do not receive public assistance, we work for a living and we are also the vast majority of blacks who vote.

Dumbing down Black America is trying to sale them your opinion on why they should vote Republican.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

SOBF, I would love to see the proof of racist Democrats becoming Republicans. You keep saying this but you never, ever provide any proof. Were Republicans progressives, of course but not the type of progressives we have today. Language is fluid and words only have the meaning that the speaker pours into the language. We call this stipulated meaning and in political terms this can change rapidly. The Democrats started spinning or stipulating new meaning before this was even a widely known political practice.

Many blacks have been murdered for voting Republican. After slavery blacks registered to vote and as long as the US military occupied the south they voted and they voted Republican and once the south was returned to home rule the Democrats made it to where blacks couldn't vote and made examples of those who did. They did this simply because Blacks tended to vote Republican. Medgar Evers was murdered because he was a civil rights activist and he was a Republican murdered by a member of the White Citizens Council a known strong arm of the Southern Democrats. Medgar Evers is famous for saying, “If we don't like what the Republicans do, we need to get in there and change it.” MLK a Republican was murder by the racist James Earl Ray and escaped convict who as a supporter of Alabama Gov. George Wallace while he was a racist. I have on several occasions stood up for my political beliefs (once I'm asked to agree with something I don't agree with) and I have lost business, friends and have had very heated argument with my black brothers just for not being a Democrat. As I remember when we first started having these conversations your tone was not so congenial either.

If you look a mechanisms used to trick society into thinking the playing field is being leveled you will find that most are Democratic inventions and none of them work no matter who comes up with them. Those at the top will get theirs, who are we kidding. So why to you think voting Democrat will help you? They just pour perfume on manure and tell you its good when actually it's the same rotten stinking thing. I'd rather know I'm getting no help than to think I'm getting help but in reality I'm being played. We've had the argument about who is on public assistance, I know the numbers and we tend to agree but there are "programs" that were specifically put in place for Blacks because we were told we couldn't succeed without government intervention. This is simply not true. The Black middle class was growing before the intervention and shrunk afterward. Take a look SOBF if your eyes are open there truly is only one choice for true freedom and equality and that is not to vote Democrat and to vote Republican.


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sheila b. 4 years ago

I've been talking to a lot of Jewish democrats, and reading books by others, looking for an answer to the question: Why are most Jews democrats? Though there are many reasons, the one always mentioned is fear of republicans. The Jewish immigrants from the early 1900s believed Hitler was conservative, and so they feared that happening again. (Where did they get such an idea? Nazis were socialists!) So what we can probably agree on is both black and Jewish democrats have been misinformed for decades and fear is what has been used to corral them.


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY

Right Black - Let me start by offering you

Arthur Ravenel, Jr.

James F. Byrnes

Claude R. Kirk, Jr.

Charlton Lyons

Billy J. Guin

Dave Treen

Jack M. Cox

James D. Martin

Ronald Reagan

Floyd Spence

Rubel Phillips

Howard Callaway

Charles W. Pickering

Strom Thurmond

Albert W. Watson

Arlen Specter

Roderick Miller

Marshall Parker

Thomas A. Wofford

Len E. Blaylock

Jerry Thomasson

Henry Grover

William E. Dannemeyer

Allison Kolb

William Reynolds Archer, Jr.

Will Wilson

James L. Bentley

This exodus from the Democratic party resahaped the Republican agenda.

As far as your examples of people who were killed for being Republican, I sit here scratching my head. Medgar Evers was murdered because of his activism, not because of political party affiliation. Are you suggesting that had he been a Democrat his assassination would have never happened? MLK was not a Republican as much as your party tries to now tie him to their party. MLK claimed no party affiliation, and during his activism was labeled a socialist by both parties. Now because of his Christian beliefs the Republican Party attempts to claim him, another head scratch and another assassination that had nothing to do with party affiliation.

Right Black, the reason I would not vote Republican today is a simple one. The Republican Party is built on extremes. It knows that the only way it can win elections is to cater to the far right. An extreme element within the party that preaches, the country will become a socialist country, death camps, rationed healthcare, and fear of Jihad law taking over the country, ethnic separatism, social engineering, elitism, unfettered capitalism, child labor, and fascism. This is not a party that can cater to the needs of no one other than the wealthy. This is your Republican Party. If you really think that simply because I don’t support abortion it should be my party, think again.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

sheila b., thanks for your comments. Fear and misinformation is certainly a big part of the problem.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

SOBF, Thank you so much for this list. This is really helpful, so helpful I am writing a hub on it. I'm sure you'll have a comment or two. Look for it, coming to a hubpage near you : )


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY

Right Black - I can't wait.


a Orthodox Jew 4 years ago

sheila b

just for the record the most McCain election district in the whole country was 100% Jewish (885-3-1) (Lakewood)

McCain's best neighborhood in the whole country was Borough Park (only area in the country that had over 50,000 people that voted for McCain at a 90% rate)

the Orthodox vote holds true in almost every single area in the country in the 2008 election.

there reasons why Orthodox Jews have been going to the republicans are based on left-wing democrats attacking us on Social Issues (gay marriage was the biggest issue in 2 recent special elections in Brooklyn) , Israel, and school choice.

in a few more years as Orthodox Jews become majority of Jews in the country republicans (unless they change they're platform) will get majority of the Jewish vote.

the reason I'm interested in this blog is that even if only 40% of black in NY vote republican based on Social Issues and school choice democrats will be forced to change their platform (and then both communities will get a wanted change) or else will lose election after election.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

SOBF, working on it.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

sheila b, I hope you are correct when it comes to the Jewish vote but I see absolutely no change in the Black vote. Going from 5-10% to 40% is a real jump but I'm an optimist and believe over time we can achieve success.


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY

Right Black - I am currently working on "Why Blacks Should Never Vote Republican...Until" By the way, if you ever find yourself in Atlanta we have got to sit down for a Obama.


a Orthodox Jew 4 years ago

just for the record I'm not sheila b I was responding to her.

the question I have is are there issues (this means policy not party) that make conservative blacks vote democrat even against people who make Obama look Conservative?

do you think in local races they would ever consider voting for a Republican?

right now blacks are one of the most ignored constituencies in the country because the Republicans "know" that they can't win enough of there vote to even bother with it, and the democrats couldn't care less about they're vote because they could run on a pro segregation ticket and still win over 95% of the black vote.

if you could design a scenario where a city (in NYC it looks like blacks voted over 98% for Obama) based Republican can win the maximum black vote possible what will it be.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

SOBF, I was in Atlanta last summer thought about you but didn't have any extra time. I will be back next summer. BTW my best friend lives in Atlanta, he's a Democrat and I still love him.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

a Orthodox Jew, sorry for my confusion. I don't think I have a definitive answer to your question especially since I haven't seen many Democrats that make the President look conservative. I think that most Blacks vote for the D and if an R appears after the name it means, no vote. This is true whether it be a national or local election. Most Blacks believe the rhetoric that says D equals pro-Black and R equals racist. I agree that Blacks are ignored but the Republicans will never pit one ethnic group against another. Republicans are for a level playing field for all. Democrats ignore Blacks once elected and play them to get elected.

I don't want to see and don't like seeing any ethnic or economic group voting 90% for anyone. If 90% of any group votes one way when both sides are viable under our form of government it just goes to show that a lot of people just aren't thinking.


a Orthodox Jew 4 years ago

normally I'll agree with you but

the reason why 90% those areas do is because the Orthodox community are "issues voters" and decide who to vote for based on those issues.

for example in the recent Weprin-Turner race there was an assembly race in the same location as part of the Turner race. and in one ED Bob Turner (the Republican) got over 75% of the vote and Michael Simanowitz (the democrat) the democrat got over 75% of the vote.

based on that fact it shows we are thinking and are not taken for granted.

it's very likely that if someone like Ben Nelson was running against Romney that the same areas I mentioned before would vote for Ben Nelson.

the Orthodox Jewish community is basically a swing vote that breaks like a partisan group.

a Democrat who's a Strong social Conservative, pro Jewish, pro school choice, who is in favor of lower taxes could easily pull get in the high 90% in many Orthodox neighborhoods.


a Orthodox Jew 4 years ago

many left wing NYC democrats are way more liberal then Obama. Nadler for example is way to the left then Obama.

at the same time some NYC democrats are more conservative then Romney

for example in recent marriage redefinition fight in Albany that passed same-gender "marriage" the most vocal anti marriage-redefinition assemblyman and most vocal anti marriage-redefinition state senator were both democrats.

democrat assemblyman Dov Hikind is arguably the most conservative person in NY State politics.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

a Orthodox Jew, excellent points, I stand corrected. I'm not familiar with either NYC politics or the Orthodox Jewish community. It seems like a mixed bag (which I prefer). Thanks so much for the enlightenment and I will certainly do some research on the subject. I do know the Black vote and we typically vote the way the "Black Leaders" lead. We get our news from either TV or Radio which are both heavily slanted to the left. Our major voting issues are based on what are you going to do for me not on what am I going to be able to do for myself. I'm not sure what issues are of concern to the Orthodox Jewish community but from what you say they are very conservative and I would imagine the majority would not align very well with the National Democratic Platform. Again, thanks for reading and for the truly enlightening comment.


a Orthodox Jew 4 years ago

just for the record there are some Orthodox Jewish communities which follow Jewish "leaders" enforcements with out thinking ("New square" for example) but the neighborhoods I gave you before only follow them when based on a reason like in recent years gay "marriage".

but most Orthodox communities are like what I described above even though parts of both types of communities broke 90% for McCain. (though in the McCain election I don't think that there was any "block voting")

basically there are 2 types of Orthodox voting patterns what I described in my previous post and a second type which sells thousands of votes to the highest bidder based on the whims of a few.

since the later type has harmed the overall Jewish community I strongly understand and agree with you first response to me.

but despite all this the fact is that even the corrupt communities have more power numerically (though politicians have other ways of curtailing political power the Jewish communities in NY are the most gerrymandered in the country and could give gerrymandering under Jim Crow a run for it's money)

before the current redistricting cycle 1 Orthodox neighborhood in brooklyn had 5 congressional districts (the next highest in the country was 3)

(and for some small issues (ext. zoning) more then any other demographic in the country).

the key point I'm trying to say is that because the Orthodox community is willing to vote for both parties (though like you said the democratic party is doing all it can to stop that) at very high rates where not completely ignored politically. though many times due to gerrymandering and the Jewish corruption (I stated above) it may only be for the smaller matters.

if even 40% of the black community would be willing to vote Republican (in a race based on policy issues). I'm sure that many of the problems that blacks have with the democratic party's platform would be corrected due to the large size of the African American community (democrats only due well in some states because they are guaranteed the black vote).

thank you for taking your time to respond to my questions and reading about the voting patterns of a different community that may help you with your message.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

a Orthodox Jew, thanks for the clarification. I agree that many of the problems the Black community has with the Democrats platform could be solved by voting Republican but the real issue is that they are already solved in the Republican platform today. All we need to do is look and quit playing the victim. I realize how difficult this is when you are brought up a certain way it is hard to change.


Miltonio 4 years ago

Well, The Republicans are most definitely anti Gay.

Or am I wrong on that.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Miltonio, I think that Republicans are not anti-Gay just not pro-Gay. Most of us think that Gays already have the same rights as everyone else. Most of us also think that Gay's shouldn't have "special" rights and neither should Blacks or any other minority group. I think Republicans would say that all people should have equal rights and that marriage has always, in every society been between men and women. The "so called" evolution to same sex marriage in actuality is a de-evolution. Sex is for procreation and there is no way for same sex couples to procreate naturally. This is an argument from the mind not from the heart. I have found in life that the mind is a better tool for reasoning and coming to rational beneficial truth than the heart. Are you wrong? You be the judge. Gay's are valued members of society and should be treated as such but to have special treatment is wrong. At present they have the same rights as non-Gays. A Gay man can only marry one woman and a Gay woman can only marry one man. The same for non-Gays. Thanks for commenting.


Jack 4 years ago

The bottom line is money we need to find a way low income people make a wage that can support themselves home food car health insurance vacation and enough left over to save for retirement then we don't need welfare and charities giving there table scraps to working poor people while the top people have an overabundance . Greed is a big problem paying people the lowest wage they can get away with .Pay people what they deserve so they don't have to rely on govt. Programs


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Jack, thanks for your comment. You are right, we need smaller government and less taxes for all Americans. We use to have a way for low income people to make a good wage. It was called hard work! Start a business and make yourself wealthy by using smart money habits. Today it is the Democratic Party that stands in the way of small business and gives tax cuts to the Fortune 500. Think about it, look at the laws they pass. The now lawful Obama Health Care TAX has a tax for households with special needs children. How low can you go. But Democrats are for the little people. Since when?


idriss79 4 years ago

What a courageous and enlightened hub! I think the black community has been destroyed by a combibnation of condenscending liberals who want to reduce them to receiving perpetual hand-outs(White Man's Burden?), plus a post-sixties victimologist/seperatist/anti-intellectual culture that has taken root among blacks,as John Mcwhorter has famously illustrated in his books. But the Gop has cowered under liberal intimidation and name-calling and got defensive. I think conservatives must take the bull by the horn and show minorities how they've been royally deceived into accepting perennial welfare dependency and victimhood. It's sad.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

idriss79, thanks for the comment and I think you are correct. The GOP has to go on the offense even if it is offensive. Truth hurts sometimes and tough love is just that, tough. Again, it is necessary to "take the bull by the horn" and call it, as it is.


misnomer58 4 years ago

There is just too many places where Martin Luther King, Jr. has stated he claim NO political party 'Right Black'. The King family has always been known simply as Civil/Human Rights Activist. Frederick Douglass on the other hand, always claimed the Equal Rights Party. As for Malcolm X, he was a member of militant blacks, he was a Black Nationalist, he didn't much care for white folks...at all. Them folks you are attached to would definitely see him as a racist. Seems like you have issues when it comes to knowing the truth. Furtunately, there are still quite a few of us darkies that know the facts. So many...too many of our good, strong warriors gave their lives to provide better days for you and this is how do you use it? By falsifying the truth of their lives. I often wonder what a conversation between yahoos such as yourself and men like Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X would be like. I got five on them think dark folks like you are quite a load of HOT MESS. (LOL)

"Actually, the Negro has been betrayed by both the Republican and the Democratic party. The Democrats have betrayed him by capitulating to the whims and caprices of the Southern Dixiecrats. The Republicans have betrayed him by capitulating to the blatant hypocrisy of reactionary right wing northern Republicans. And this coalition of southern Dixiecrats and right wing reactionary northern Republicans defeats every bill and every move towards liberal legislation in the area of civil rights."

~The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr.: Symbol of the Movement, Jarnuary 1957-December1958. University of California Press. Pg.84

"Fellow-citizens, I will not enlarge further on your national inconsistencies. The existence of slavery in this country brands your republicanism as a sham, your humanity as a base pretense, and your Christianity as a lie. It destroys your moral power abroad: it corrupts your politicians at home. It saps the foundation of religion; it makes your name a hissing and a bye-word to a mocking earth. It is the antagonistic force in your government, the only thing that seriously disturbs and endangers your Union. it fetters your progress; it is the enemy of improvement; the deadly foe of education; it fosters pride; it breeds insolence; it promotes vice; it shelters crime; it is a curse to the earth that supports it; and yet you cling to it as if it were the sheet anchor of all your hopes. Oh! be warned! be warned! a horrible reptile is coiled up in your nation's bosom; the venomous creature is nursing at the tender breast of your youthful republic; for the love of God, tear away, and fling from you the hideous monster, and let the weight of twenty millions crush and destroy it forever!"

~History Is A Weapon: 'The Meaning of July Fourth for the Negro' by: Frederick Douglass - A speeach given at Rochester, New York, July 5, 1852

"It's just like when you've got some coffee that's too black, which means it's too strong. What you do? You integrate it with cream, you make it weak. If you pour too much cream in, you won't even know you ever had coffee. It used to be hot, it becomes cool. It used to be strong, it becomes weak."

~Malcolm X Speaks. New York Grover Weidenfeld (pg.16)


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Nick Hanlon 4 years ago from Chiang Mai

I woud have to diagree with on the sin taxes.It's up to you to indulge in these activities so in that sense it's the fairest tax of all.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

misnomer58, thanks for the comment. Of course Rev. King had to say he was apolitical in order to get anywhere with the different political parties but he does have a voting record which his niece has made public. He voted for Republicans. Just because someone votes for one party over another doesn't mean you must agree with everything they do or stand for. When two people think exactly alike this means one person isn't thinking.

If I had a conversation with the Black Legends that you site we would have a stimulating conversation but I hope we wouldn't agree on everything. I do believe we would leave the conversation respecting each others minds.

Looking at the quotes you provided I have the following comments. Rev. King specifically is referring to " right wing REACTIONARY northern Republicans" not all Republicans and the "Southern Dixiecrats" who made up the southern leadership of the Democratic party. Again I am sure Rev. King did not agree with the Republican Party on every issue (God bless him for having an independent mind) but he voted Republican. Your Frederick Douglass quote is pre-Republican Party that is why "republicanism" is lowercase. The current Republican Party was formed in 1854. No one would call Malcolm X weak whether you agree with him or not but he was of mixed racial decent, just a thought.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Nick Hanlon, thanks for your comment but I think that until a vice is illegal then it should not be excessively taxed. If we look at what happens to the taxes that are collected by the government for these "sins" then maybe the government should be taxed for collecting them because this is a sin as well. I am not for excessive taxes of any kind.


misnomer58 4 years ago

These are direct quotes 'Right Black' including the one made by Malcolm X. I provided the source for each. It's best to direcrt your questions to them. As for Alveda King, as you stated she the "niece" of Martin Luther King, Jr., not his wife nor his biological children. She can make public any kind of records she likes. But is doesn't change the facts. As I stated "There is just too many places where Martin Luther King, Jr. has stated he claims NO political party". The King Family & Foundation have demanded the withdrawl of such statement a number of times. To this day NONE of his living children claim a political party (again Alveda King is his niece not his daughter) They are all known simply as Civil/Human Rights Activist. It's best you do your homework on this one 'Right Black'.

For the life of me I can not understand how any African-American (Black American, is how y'all fondly call yourselves these days, right) would want to brand yourself for life to ANY political party, especially knowing our history in America. 'IF' (ha-ha) the republican party always had the Black Community's interest at heart, than tell me, WHY did it take well over TWO CENTURIES (1654 to 1865) for the Black man to gain his feedom. 'IF' the republican party always had the Black Man's interest at heart, than why did it take another century (1865 to 1965), up until 47 years ago for the Black Man to be given the same CIVIL RIGHTS as any other citizen in America (the "Home of the Free")?

I have to tell you and I mean this with much respect; when it comes to the knowledge of your own heritage, either you are a severely under-educated or you are extremly devious, which is it, sir?

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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

misnomer, I understand that your quotes are directly from the individuals sited but when reading anything we all need to keep in mind the context and time text of the material we are reading. The time text for the Douglass quote is all wrong, it was before the Republican party was founded. The context of the King quote is an argument from the general to the specific. He states that generally both parties have "betrayed" the negro but then he specifically points out who in each party, "the Southern Dixiecrats" and "right wing reactionary northern Republicans." At the time the Dixiecrats were very influential in the Democratic Party but never has the Republican Party been highly influenced by the far right. Look closely and you will see that it was the Republican Party that passed the Civil Rights Bill of 1965 and the majority of the Democrats voted against it. Before your King quote there was a Civil Rights Bill in 1957 which was defeated by the Democrats and a few "right wing reactionary northern Republicans." This is what he is talking about. As far as Alveda King is concerned she has never retracted her statements and if you remember her father died under mysterious circumstances. I'm sure the whole King family knows how these men voted, she is just brave enough to take a stand.

The Malcolm X quote is pre-Mecca. He came back from Mecca a different man with different opinions, so different it cost him his life. Again, he was not a weak man no matter what you think of him and he had some "cream" in the "coffee."

I only support the political party I think has the best interest for all American, my views are not myopic. You wonder why the Republican Party didn't stop slavery between 1654 to 1865, they only became a party in 1854 which means they took care of the problem after only eleven years in existence. You ask why there was no Civil Rights Bill until 1965, well you are in error the first Civil Rights Act passed by Republicans was in 1866 one year after emancipation. To answer your final loaded question, neither!

I looked at each of your articles and they just don't prove your point. I may address them in an article at a later date. Thanks again for reading and for your engaging comments.


misnomer58 4 years ago

(republicanism (noun)

1 : adherence to or sympathy fr a republican form of government

2 : the principles or theroy of republican government

3 : capitalized

a : The principles, policy, or practices of the Republican party of the United States

b : the Republican party or its members

First Known Use of REPUBLICANISM

1689

~Merriam-Webster (Dictionary)

1 : support or desire for a republican form of government

2 : the principles or ideas of republican government

3 : capitalizzed: the principles, policy, or practices of the Republican party of the U.S.

~Merriam-Webster (Student Dictionary)

Tell me 'Black Right', you familiar with the history of the Holy Roman Empire?

"Two major parties were explicitly named after the idea—the Republican party of Thomas Jefferson (founded in 1793, and often called the "Democratic-Republican Party" by political scientists), and the current Republican party (founded in 1854)."

~Robert Williams, Horace Greeley: champion of American freedom (2006) by: Robert Williams, Horace Greeley: pg. 175-176

The question I asked was pertaining to both of the individual and collective political parties not just the republican party. Why did it take them until the latter part of the 20th century 1965 -1968 to "take care of this problem"? And the only thing that the Civil Rights Act of 1854 "took care of was citizenship by birth in U.S., you know, the great nation that sits on stolen land and shipped in the African in shackles and repeatedly brutally raped the African women...but only the democrat women of course ...or, shall I say just the whigs women. Which amended the constitution for the 14th time, quite a document, that constitution, ain't it? Nevertheless, the Black Man (that'd be men like you...ha-ha) had no civil rights until 1964, 110 years later. Oh yeah, they took care of it alright.

Now, you do know there was actually three different versions of the Civil Rights Bill (1964):

•The Original House Version: did not include a number of provisions deemed essential by civil rights leaders (like Martin Luther King, Jr.). Things like protection against police brutality, ending discrimination in private employment, or granting the Justice Department power to initiate desegregation or job discrimination lawsuits. You know, stuff like that. How come you never speak of these specifics when you bring the fillerbust stuff up? I know, not worth mentioning, right?

•The Second version: was not taken too kindly by Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC): "This so-called Civil Rights Proposals, which the President has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law, are constitutional, unnecessary, unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil-rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the Reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress."

•The Senate Version (a watered down version of the second version and was finally voted on by the House): The bill was presented to the Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states." But in the end, the bill finally was passed in spite of them southerness gentlemen protesting.

•The original House version:

(Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format)

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)

Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)

Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

•The Senate version:

(again: Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format)

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)

Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)

Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Keep in mind: "Southern", were them members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to them members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

Dr. Martin Luter King, Jr. NEVER had a problem when it came to speaking his mind. 'IF' he was referring to a specific point in time he would have definitely made it clear. Especially when it had to do with the Civil Rights for the Black Man. However, you are entitled to your 'opinion', but it will NEVER change the facts. Dr. King would vote for the better of the characters, and it was not always republican. And it certainly did NOT make him a registered republican.

As for Alveda King, the niece of Luther King, Jr. I've got a niece, she definitely can not speak on my voting record just the same as your niece and any niece in our great nation. Unless you can bring forth a legal document that she has suppoesedly made public, your/her statement is no more creditable than them founding fellas that "worked tirelessly to end slavery". (LOL)

Look 'Right Black', Frederick Douglass (a runaway slave and the founder of the Civil Rights Movement), Martin Luther King, Jr. (christian minister and a Civil Rights leader) and Malcolm X (a mulslim minister and the founder of Black Nationalism) NEVER made claim to ANY American political party. There life's purpose was to fight for the rights of the Black Man to be treated as a human and like any other citizen in this nation, with dignity and respectful tolerance. For you to insist otherwise merely shows you as either being childishly naïve or a liar.

Enjoy this clip of Malcolm X's famous 'The Ballot or The Bullet' speech, he speaks of men such as yourself (be you black or white):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRNciryImqg


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Aaron Cornett 4 years ago from Dothan, Alabama

LOVE YOUR POSTS!! I have been recently talking/argueing with friends about the black vote and liberals, and the plight of the black man. It's been frustrating, but your articles are a valuable source! Do you have a book out or plan to anytime soon?

Thanks!


misnomer58 4 years ago

You're a joke Right Black. You sit up somewhere trying to argue facts. Like you even KNOW the plight of the the Black Man. (LOL) you make me giggle. By the way, you write more like a european-wench the ANYBODY Black. And I mean this in the kindest way possible. Have a pleasant evening, girlfriend.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

misnomer58, first I just want to say that your points are well received and let me address them. First, republicanism: your definitions are quite odd since they define the word with the word. What is a republican government? What are the policies, principles or practices of the Republican party? You've said nothing with these definitions. Again the 1689 definition is irrelevant since the modern Republican Party didn't even exist. As far as where the modern Republican Party can look to its birth, it is the same party the Democratic Party can look to its birth. The difference is why the split? It was over slavery. The Democrats are the party of slavery, then it was by chain and lash today it is by welfare and politically correct rhetoric. You seem to dislike anyone who has a differing opinion, are you trying to keep me mentally shackled? You seem to have no regard for the party that set our forefathers free. I understand the history and don't wish to take up too much of my time with someone who brings so many presuppositions and hostilities to the discussion. Did some Northern Republicans vote "nay," of course, but they were very clear why. I was because they believed that the bill didn't go far enough. The evidence of this is that a year later they had to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Finally, I'll end this by saying there is more to the story than your contrived post. Moreover, I'm sorry that you think all Black Men must be ignorant and incoherent when they write. You seem to be harboring a substantial amount of anger for a tolerant liberal Democrat.


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Right Black 4 years ago from Huntington Beach, California Author

Aaron Cornett, thanks for the comment. I've thought of writing a book but at the present I just haven't the time. I'm working hard to provide for my family. Thanks for the compliment.


Ripley123 3 years ago

This list of 10 things is about 10 things shy of the truth. No offense, but if you care about honesty and factuality, you should take this down and go to something else.


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adagio4639 18 months ago from Brattleboro Vermont

Sort of what I expected. The list of horrors that you provide miss the mark completely. Your argument should be with the philosophy or ideology. You also seem to make the huge mistake of referring to Democrats as one thing and Blacks as something else, as if Blacks aren't Democrats themselves that have enormous input in the philosophy of the party. For example: look at what you say here.

10.Racial Discrimination – by using the semantics for “multiculturalism” the Democrats have successfully resegregated communities by race and then turn them against each other so that they can gain government favoritism.

When you say Democrats have done this, are you including black Democrats? Because they have the single most powerful voice in the party. The President is both black and a Democrat. So...what are you trying to say here? That blacks are employing racial discrimination? You seem to see Democrats as some monolithic entity that has an "evil mind" of it's own. Blacks control the party. The input on policy that they have is overwhelming. So when you say Democrat....who are you talking about?


Lips go Plllll 10 months ago

negroes should not vote because of their skin color.

Let me prove that.

negroes should not vote because of their skin color.

Anything else you want me to prove?


Bill Housden 10 months ago

The reply to #1 on the list is good for all of it.

"Slavery – the members of what is now the Democratic Party were slave owners until Pres. Lincoln and the Republican Party ended the practice."

Good simpleton, DNA tests will prove beyond any human doubt that what is now Republicans in the South were the slave owners and Confederate leaders who fought to preserve slavery, until Lincoln and other progressives ended the practice.

This isn't a BS opinion. This is absolute fact. DNA speaks louder than racist apologia repeated by foolish black "conservatives."


Bill Housden 10 months ago

The charge that Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood were working to eradicate the black race is a particularly egregious lie that you repeat.

You should not repeat lies. Doing so plays hell with the content of your character.


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adagio4639 10 months ago from Brattleboro Vermont

@Right Black: You posted this as a question in a poll; "Have you researched your political party's history?"

You ask the wrong question. The question you should be asking is have you researched the ideology that is at the core of the political parties. You make the fatal mistake of looking at the parties as if a political party dictates the ideology rather than the other way around. The parties are simply representative of the ideology that drives them. They become the platforms for conservatism and for liberalism. So your entire thesis is misplaced. The parties are only a reflection of the ideologies that dominate them. Republicans could suddenly become liberal and the Dems could become conservative....Again as they were a long time ago. What would you say then?? The reason Blacks vote Democratic is because they always challenge the status quo, and Republicans always preserve it. Blacks lean towards liberalism, and Republicans hate liberals. Blacks aren't likely to vote for people that they know hate them.

As for MLK and his views, rather than relying on the words of a niece it might be a good idea to actually read what the man said from his own autobiography.

“Most people don’t talk about the fact that Martin Luther King was a Republican.” That’s a quote from Ada Fisher, a Republican National Committeewoman from North Carolina.

Fisher is wrong on two fronts. First, many people talk about the “fact” that King was a Republican. The claim is most prominently advanced by King’s niece, Republican activist Alveda King. Over the years, conservative groups have purchased billboards making the claim.

Second, Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican. Or a Democrat. King was not a partisan and never endorsed any political candidate. King did, however, weigh in on the Republican party during his lifetime. In Chapter 23 of his autobiography, King writes this about the 1964 Republican National Convention:

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."

"Senator Goldwater had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy."

King is talking about the Philosophy or Ideology of the Republican Party. It was Conservatism that King saw as a threat to Civil Rights, and rightly so. The Republican Party chose Conservatism as it's ideology assuming that the Democrats who had adopted a liberal philosophy could have the blacks. The Republicans would win elections because they would have the White vote. It was all about racial politics for them, and they knew they could count on the racists in America to vote Republican.

King barnstormed the country on behalf on Johnson in 1964, “maintaining only a thin veneer of nonpartisanship,” according to biographer Nick Kotz. King called Johnson’s win a “great victory for the forces of progress and a defeat for the forces of retrogress.”

And this is why Blacks tend to vote Democratic, rather than Republican. The Repubs are no longer the party of Lincoln, and the Dems are no longer the party of Jefferson Davis. They've switched roles. Blacks don't care about what the party did in the past. The party isn't responsible for the atrocities. The philosophy of the party is where the problem is. The Party doesn't dictate the philosophy. The philosophy is what gives the parties their identity. And blacks care about the ideology that drives it, and the ideology that drove slavery, Jim Crow and segregation, is now firmly entrenched in the GOP. It's Conservatism that they reject, because it was conservatism that always threatened their existence.


Ripley123 10 months ago

adagio4639 , thanks for a well-written rebuttal to the factless history produced by "Right Black." A rational person looks at ideology to determine what a group believes, while a propagandist chooses form over substance. Thus, the same spelling of the names of two ideologically-disparate groups is all the propagandist needs to conflate the two as one. One group enslaved black in a white supremacist dictatorship, while the other welcomes blacks to share enormous political power in the state and federal governments. "The same ideologies, because spelling." Only liars and fools would repeat that nonsense.

His repeated reliance on King's niece to prove his point indicates he know he is spouting racist apologia. The Big House can be mighty tempting to a common fellow. Isn't it a pity.

The DNA check may have the key to putting an end to the malarky argument that pretends today's Democrats share beliefs with the racist despots of the antebellum South.

There is a reason why so many southern Republicans defend the racist banners and cultural ornaments of the white supremacist Confederate States. It is a reason they actually brag about. "Family heritage." They are the heirs of their ancestors' ideology, just as they were when they called themselves Democrats. They fly the flags, wear the uniforms, spout the same racist apologia, and rely on the same tiny minority of self-abusing blacks to repeat their racist fantasies for them, as they did well into the 1970s when they carried the Democrat label. They are white supremacist southerners, abusing government to further white supremacist goals. They are Republicans in the 21st century.

The 2011 scientific poll of Mississippi Republicans conducted by Public Policy Polling indicates that what you and I describe is the true nature of the Republican Party. The question was simple, straightforward, and not a push-poll trick to elicit a certain answer:

"Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?"

The only non-racist answer is yes, yet 14 percent of Mississippi Republicans polled in a scientific sampling said "Not sure."

That begs the question: If the 14 percent of the overwhelmingly white sample are not even sure that the law should let blacks and whites marry, can we assume they would object to blacks deciding the question for them in a legal election or as members of a legislative body?

Of the remaining 86 percent, 46 percent said they do NOT believe interracial marriage should be legal.

Not in 1850. Not in 1950. In 2011, in the State of Mississippi, USA, 46 percent of Republicans, virtually a 100 percent white sample, believe it should be illegal, punishable by law, for a black American and a white American to marry as man and wife.

Add 14 percent who by golly just are not sure, and you see in the answers to one clear question that 60 percent of Mississippi Republicans are confessed racists.

It is pathetic to see blacks like "Right Black" repeat senseless and racist Republican attacks on the Democratic Party.

Democrats "keep blacks enslaved" by letting them serve as U.S. president, state governors, U.S and state representatives and senators, lawyers, judges, police, lawyers. Absolutely enslaved.

Republicans, however, free blacks by doubting that one exists who is legally fit to marry their sisters.

Racist Republican apologia is repugnant, slanderous, and contemptible. The tiny minority of African-American who repeat it would do well to stop soiling their own character with white supremacist lies.


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adagio4639 10 months ago from Brattleboro Vermont

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying here Ripley. I don't like to put the racist label on the Republican Party, because it wasn't always like this. It is today only because the Party has marinated in conservative ideology and it's the ideology that is the problem. Southern Democrats were a horrid lot, and were responsible for racial terrrorism during Jim Crow, and all of them shared that same ideological virus of conservatism. Apparently Right Black is young, or doesn't remember the days when there were Conservative Democrats in the South. And Liberal Republicans in the North. But it's never been the party. It's always been the ideology.

Reagan appealed to the southern Dems when he went to Neshoba County fair which was right were the three civil rights workers were murdered for trying to register black voters. Reagan said, "I'm for States Rights" and that was music to their ears. And those became the Reagan Democrats. The southern Rednecks who found a new home in the Republican Party.

The South has always been the most conservative region of the country. They used to be Democrats. Today they're Republican, but what has NEVER changed is their conservatism. That's always there. They changed their ties from blue to red, but they didn't change their conservatism.


Ripley123 10 months ago

I agree about labels. My mother was Republican and a southern integrationist in the 1950s who became a Democrat with Kennedy's campaign, so I have seen firsthand how parties are formed, not by the spelling of their labels, but by the character of their memberships.

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