60 Minutes Confirms The Military Is Using Gays Like A Drunken Frat Boy

Army Sergeant Darren Manzella, a medical liaison for his division, told his tale on 60 minutes and apparently this fairy's tale is less uncommon than most would think with the current "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in place. Manzella claims that he was out to his army buddies and even introduced his boyfriend around and no one seemed to care. That is until the anonymous emails came in telling him he was being watched and to "turn down the flame." "As in flamingly gay?" asked Leslie Stahl? "Yes," Manzella says. But here comes the somewhat shocking part...apparently Manzella went to his battalion commander and told him he was a homosexual. The commander let him know that he would have to report him. Manzella wanted the truth to come out for his own sanity and during the investigation that ensued, Manzella submitted photos of him and his boyfriend and even a video of a road trip which included them kissing. The shocker is that Manzella was told "there was no evidence of homosexuality and go back to work." So how can this be, right? I'll tell you how, because they needed Manzella (who was a specialist) and the need outweighed his homosexuality. Much like a drunken frat boy who wants to "get off" and doesn't care who it is, apparently the military is following suit. 60 Minutes confirms the military is using gays like a drunken frat boy - Don't Get Me Started!

I'm not completely surprised by this story or the others that came out on the 60 Minutes broadcast. What I'm surprised about is that it's taken so long for this to come out. You see, we all get that despite what the White House keeps trying to feed us, this war is not going so well. And we also know that like that fabulous B movie from the 1960's, "Mars Needs Women", War Needs Soldiers. So when the government started getting desperate, lowering their recruiting standards, giving waivers to allow convicted felons, lowering mental standards and lowering physical standards to get people to sign up, anyone without these diminished capacities would certainly have to realize that at some point they'd start looking the other way as the gays joined the ranks...if they needed them.

Army Major Daniel Davis appeared on the show out of uniform but kept the company line strong.

When asked by Stahl, "What do you think would happen if a unit with a gay person went out into a combat situation?"

Davis replied, "In my view, men are going to die, units are going to fail that would otherwise not fail, that would otherwise not die."

Stahl pressed him by asking, "Didn't they say the same things about blacks?"

Davis countered, "You know, I've heard that many times."

"And then cohesion was achieved." Stahl states

"However, if you have a moral or religious issue you cannot order me to bond and cohese with that person," Davis says. "Because he's morally repugnant to me."

There's lots more hate where that came from spouted by Davis and others and don't think for one second, the white good old boys club that is the military isn't still "repugged" by blacks and women right along with the gays. (Albeit they have to do a better job of hiding those prejudices due to the laws that are out there now.)

And while I'd like to get all fired up about the military looking the other way when the gay has a skill they need and it suits them, I can't do it. I can't do it because the military isn't what worries me. Sure, I feel that gays should be allowed to serve openly but what bothers me more are the people sitting around who say we shouldn't be able to serve.

I had a close friend years ago and I kidded her that she was a Southern Belle because she was from the south and after all if the hoop skirt fits...We eventually lived in different states but talked often. It was during the whole start of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" that our conversation turned to the policy and her thoughts. In all sincerity she said to me, "I don't think that gays should be allowed in the military but you know, you're my friend and if you wanted to be in the military, I would want you to do and be whatever you want." What she didn't realize was that most gays were like me, not some subhuman creature waiting to rape straight men and convert children into gays as we were portrayed. And what she wanted for me I not only deserved but so did every other homosexual out there. The calls between us became farther apart.

She married a man who had been in the army who was also a good old Southerner too. After they were married about a year, I went to their home for dinner. I don't know how the subject came up but this good old boy (knowing full well my mate was a black man) went on and on at dinner about how the blacks had put themselves down and in the situation that they were in, that the white people had no culpability for the plight of African Americans in US history or today. I can't say I was surprised but I was disgusted. I tried to hide my disgust toward him but still voice my opinion. "In my lifetime whites didn't allow blacks to drink out of the same fountains. Think about it, drinking from a fountain! How can that not affect us all and how can we all not share just a little shame if there's any decency within us?" I left their house and never saw them again. I hope they're well and happy but people with these kinds of beliefs have no place in my life.

I hope that the gays eventually get to serve openly. My head starts swirling with quotes like the now famous words of Rodney King who was beaten by Los Angeles police, "Can't we all just get along?" or the Elephant Man who in the film says, "I am not an animal, I am a human being." But such phrases are lost on the likes of Army Major Davis and many others. So until equality arrives, we gays are going to have to be a little smarter too so that we don't find ourselves taken advantage of no matter who it may be. We have to be realistic and at the same time not let people use us. We can't go home with a drunk straight guy (even if he's Uncle Sam) and expect him to wake up the next morning wanting to adopt children and buy a Land Rover with us. 60 Minutes confirms the military is using gays like a drunken frat boy - Don't Get Me Started!

 

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Ralph Deeds 8 years ago

"Don't ask, don't tell" is an insult not only to gays but to heterosexuals in the military because it says, in effect, that they are too prejudiced, immature and ignorant to serve effectively with gay and lesbian soldiers. Claiming that most soldiers are too prejudiced is a curious and a specious argument against treating gays and lesbians fairly as in civilian occupations and in the military in most other countries. The military would never have been integrated if Harry Truman had bought similar arguments against blacks after WWII. And Colin Powell would never have risen to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Too bad he was too cowardly to support Clinton's attempt to do the right thing.


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somelikeitscott 8 years ago from Las Vegas Author

Go Ralph, Go!!! I love when I get other people "Started"!



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Stacie Naczelnik 8 years ago from Seattle

I used to debate this issue with a very close female friend -- she seemed to have zero compassion, acceptance, or understanding for gay people (among other things). Since finding out that both her mom and her uncle are gay, her tune hasn't changed so much as become silent. She no longer even attempts to debate the issue. I think this is because she's been forced to learn a difficult lesson: gay people are people too. Crazy.


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Earth Angel 8 years ago

Thanks for a GREAT Hub Scott!! I saw that 60 Minute interview and was fuming at the upper end of the military!! The little Earth Angel here was pacing and yelling and calling friends to get on the TV as this just could not be happening in this day and age!! Do we know if Darren got discharged after the 60 Minutes interview!!?? Thank you for writing this Hub!! Good comments by Ralph and Stacie as well!! Auuuuugggghhhhhh!! Earth Angel!!


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somelikeitscott 8 years ago from Las Vegas Author

I actually didn't see it, someone emailed me about it on another hub and then I read the transcript. It will certainly be interesting to see what they do about Darren. I wish him and everyone in this situation the best possible outcome for them. Ugh. I agree!


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Mrs Hozey 7 years ago

Excellent hub. I think gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military. "Don't ask, don't tell" is just kind of dumb, in my opinion. However, from what I've seen and heard as a military spouse, I think that they would be subject to more persecution if they were open about their sexuality. The military is full of homophobes.

I think that people saying that homosexuals cannot serve in combat is absolutely ridiculous. When I hear people say that I ask them, "Do you want to sleep with every woman you see? [although sometimes that backfires on me] ... What makes you think a gay guy is going to want you and every other man he encounters?"


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somelikeitscott 7 years ago from Las Vegas Author

Brava Mrs. Hozey!


Sooner28 4 years ago

You know something? I think you are right about the motivation to end the policy. I'm a far far left liberal, but I think Obama used this issue for political purposes. He wanted please the base (like me) so he fought to end DADT, and he also wanted more troops to fight in our imperial oil wars.

It's strange right now. We are living in a time where we are on the verge of accepting homosexuality as a society, but there are still people who are openly against it. I think that it will be interesting to see where we are in the next ten years. I also wonder when the time will come when society will no longer accept someone using religion to justify their bigotry.

I have a gay brother named Caleb, and I told him I wouldn't get married until he could. That way, I have some skin in the game also.


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twaggoner 4 years ago

interesting read. I am as close to being a pacifist as I can be living in the united states of aggression, I know that there are some people with a calling to enlist and I would never deny them that, straight or gay. I dont see how anyone could say to a person who volunteered to serve that they are less than worthy because of their sexuality. DADT was a farce from the start and it was a slap when Clinton only partially repealed it, still allowing for expulsion for "homosexual activity", I agree with Sooner that Obama's total repeal was a political move to keep supporters happy. I wish that the "religious" right would stop preaching kindness and tolerance and start living it. Oh and I really like the agreement with your brother Sooner, cool of you to say.


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somelikeitscott 4 years ago from Las Vegas Author

Sooner and twaggoner - thanks for reading and commenting. While I appreciate your move for "solidarity" sooner, the thing is that if you found the right person and you wanted to get married, you should get married and I suspect your brother would want you to get married too. While I too hope that it won't be much longer before we gays have equal rights, the idea isn't to deny anyone else theirs while we're waiting for society to catch up to common sense and give us ours. Still...very cool of you.

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