A Letter in the Tx Waco Tribune Herald on Nov 18, 2010 by one misguided youth

Pointing Fingers - Playing the Blame Game

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STOP and do it MY wayeveryone wants to blame someone elsebusinessman shaming othersI saw what you did
STOP and do it MY way
STOP and do it MY way
everyone wants to blame someone else
everyone wants to blame someone else
businessman shaming others
businessman shaming others
I saw what you did
I saw what you did

Wacko in Waco Texas

Judging others seems to be the order of the day. Blaming the victims is way to prevalent in our society of perfect people. Those who judge others apparently think they have a right to so.. But when they in turn are judged they will always cry "foul".


I recently received an email going around the www written by a 21 year old female "who gets it".

I will leave it intact, but with modifications that reflect the reality of life, not the views of the GOP rhetoric that it is filled with. I am a senior citizen with many more years of experience under my belt than this 21 year old, and with a better grasp of reality and hopefully with a little more common sense, and ability to look at life with a broader perspective. Although a few of these ideas are quite thought provoking they need to reflect the real world. So here goes.

  • (My responses and clarifications will be in parenthesis, in italics, and underscored when applicable)

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This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco, TX., Nov. 18, 2010:

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she is worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she is being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

> Put me in charge . . .
> Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

  • (This has some merit. The use of food stamps should require some discretion on what they are used for. Although the meaning is well intended, there are folks on food stamps that are unable to work, unable to cook, or even unable to store such quantities above what can be used in a reasonable period of time. It should be explicit about: not for the purchase of junk foods, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, stamps, etc... but food choices are based on the individuals tastes, likes, and needs; as some people cannot digest certain foods or may be allergic to others.).


> Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligation's. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats and piercings, then get a job.

  • (Hear knowledge of medicaidher is not quite accurate, logical, or adult. Medicaid is mainly for the use of the elderly, or those who are disabled. The government cannot legally require the disabled or the elderly to have tubal ligation's or birth control implants. The use of prescription, or over the counter drugs, or the use of alcohol, cannot be dictated by the government, and has nothing to do with medicaid. Even the use of cigarettes cannot be taken away from anyone when they are legally sold over the counter. So this portion about medicaid is inappropriate for anyone to suggest. The abuse of medicaid or medicare is NOT by the recipients of it, but by those providers who put in bogus claims, and pad their bills with the intent to defraud the government who provides no oversight to stop those false claims.)


> Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
> You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

  • (Actually has some merit with this one. There are no current restrictions regarding upkeep, or maintanance, etc... Anything proccurred prior to moving into Government housing cannot be taken away from those who are in need, simply because someone thinks they do not deserve to have them. There should be some restrictions, however, on the purchase of new and "expensive" items. Televisions sets, computers, phones, and other "conveniences" are basic necessities in our current life style, and are often required in looking for work, raising children and providing basic needs.)


> In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the âcommon good..

  • (I am assuming that this paragraph is a continuation of "living in government housing"? People who live in government housing are either unable to work (due to mental or physical impairment), or work in jobs that pay minimum wages or less, or have small children they must care for and using sarcasm regarding selling high end properties while living in government housing is silly, demeaning, and uncalled for).



> Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

  • (I am not quite sure what this paragraph references, but it sounds to me like the remarks about "taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem" is being misdirected toward the poor and needy when in reality it is certainly the descriptive narrative for big business executives.) ?


> If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

  • (This paragraph above is totally unjustified, insulting and just plain ludicrous. Making assumptions that the poor, or the infirm, are products of their own choices is stereotyping at its worst. The majority of the poor and homeless are not there by their own volition, but are victims of circumstances beyond their control, victims of crimes, sexually, physically, or emotionally abused and left on the streets to fend for themselves. When we start turning our back on those less fortunate than ourselves, or blaming the victims, we have lost our compassion, our humanity, and our decency. This seems to be the new wave of thought from the Republican (and the new tea party) government, the wealthy, and those who became self reliant by stepping on the poor and middle class.) (This kind of generalized statement that reflects the mistakes of drug/alcohol addicts is also inappropriate when describing those unfortunate people who require assistance just to be able to afford basic essentials.)


> AND While you are on Govât subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Government welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

  • (This is unconstitutional and serves no purpose. You can not remove a person's right to vote, or any other basic human rights just because you disapprove of people who have less than you do. This is the current mentality of the GOP to remove basic voting rights of those who are less fortunate, for fear that they might just be voting for simple democracy, equality, justice and a better way of life for themselves and others in their situations.) (i.e.,the current GOP drive to suppress votes of the poor, elderly, and college students, in the next election, that we see daily on the news programs on T.V. )


> Now, if you have the guts - PASS IT ON...

  • (And lastly, I do have the guts to PASS THIS ON, not because you, the writer, or you, the reader who agrees with this writer, is correct, but because you are part of the problems of society instead of part of the solutions. Criticizing and demeaning the less fortunate, seems to be the order of the day for the new political environment, while making compassion, caring, social welfare needs, and helping out the less fortunate seem like something perverse or evil.)


  • (I can only say just how disappointing it is to see, and hear, this younger generation coming up without any sense of empathy, compassion or understanding of what being a victim of the system is truly like. We are NOT always the cause of our own misfortunes.
  • Perhaps one day those who find fault with the less fortunate among us will find themselves in those very shoes.

by d.william 12/10/2011

I've got the Welfare Blues

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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

D.

There has to be a balance, and you're one of the guys I trust to balance me out. I see the unexcusable waste and abuse of our welfare system all around me and fear what that waste and abuse will mean to people who have no other choice but to accept help. It's not that we shouldn't take care of those who honestly can't fend for themselves. It's just that we can't afford the abuse. On the other hand, you fear us, as well you should. Without you to balance us out, we'd get carried away, I'm sorry to say. There is always a war going on inside of me between the way I wish things were, and the way they are. I dunno. I may have said this all the wrong way, but don't mean it to be bad. I need to take some time off I think.

jim


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

Jim:

thanks for taking the time to read and comment. And you are absolutely correct. As with most of our government programs, they were born out of good intentions, but there are always those who take unfair, or undue, advantages and spoil it for everyone else.

The old adage that one rotten apple can spoil the whole barrel has never been truer than what we see going on in Washington today. And it IS NOT limited to one side or the other.

The great problems of abuse of funding must be addressed without political bullshit attached to them. These problems are not partisan issues, but the major problem is that our current stand off in Washington makes everything a political war between the parties. They have lost sight of the reasons they were elected in the first place: To serve the American People. The new concept seems to be: screw the American people. And all efforts are directed towards defeating their political opponents. BOTH parties are equally guilty of this bull shit. But it moves from the Washington arena to the general public and continues to escalate between the individuals of either party.

I can see no solution to this current dilemma except for a 3rd party to arise that is bipartisan, or centrist in its philosophy. The Tea Party IS NOT that solution.

I am hearing some good things about a new party arising called: the Justice Party. I will do some research on what they are all about.

This article was only meant to show just how biased the younger generation has become, and how blaming the unfortunate and needy in our society is taking precedence over putting the blame where it truly belongs: Politicians, and the Plutocratic faction that rules our country today.

Dee


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Dee,

Funny, I just introduced the idea of having my organization make the transition to a third party. I agree the Tea Party is far, far,far from being the third party answer. We could not be in more agreement there!

I want to get some work done with The Housefire Project so as to have some track record to fall back on. If you google it, you'll find there are dozens of third parties out there. It can be a money maker for people who don't give a damn about the country, while others just aren't built on any kind of solid foundation other than inspiration. We have plenty of inspiration at The Project. Now we need some positive results to build on.

Your third party idea is good. It comes down to this question in my opinion; Which can we do the quickest? Clean up two very old corrupt parties, or build a viable new one?

This simple brain of mine is smoking my friend. One thing I can guarantee .. we'll have an impact which ever way we go.

jim


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Angela Blair 4 years ago from Central Texas

As with most other citizens today, I also find myself in a quandry about government benefits. I see, first hand, abuse of the welfare system daily from individuals to doctors who run unnecessary tests to make additional profit from Medicare/Medicaid. As a senior citizen perhaps some of my ideas are outdated and archiac. I can understand, however, this young person's stand. It's people their age who are going to suffer the most -- down the line -- from our welfare system being so flawed. Can it be fixed? The question's obvious but the answer's nebulous. Great and well written HUB. Best, Sis


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

TheManWithNoPants:

In my opinion? A viable third party that is offering middle of the road ideas would certainly capture the public faster than what is currently going on in Washington. If you do decide to create a third party the most important concept is NOT to side with either of the current parties in their current forms of radicalization. Both of them have become quite distasteful in the minds of 99.9% of the American people. I did visit your site, but there were some people associated that were radically inclined. Moderation is the key to winning these days, not fanaticism, no religious affiliations, no back stabbing, no empty rhetoric criticizing current parties, gearing policies toward the 99%,and no negative campaigning. Imagine how pleasant those traits would be in a campaign for a change. I think any party that could offer these things would take off like a house on fire (no pun intended).


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

Angela Blair:

I agree with you 100%. The answer to the question: can current government policies be fixed? The answer is a resounding YES. The current politicians are trying to kiss up to everyone that is influential that they can provide nothing of substance to offer in attempting to 'fix' things, for fear of slighting one of their benefactors; so they just do a lot of double talk and do nothing at all.

Take the Affordable Health Care Bill for instance: The GOP is hell bent on repealing this bill, when in fact it has already benefited the American people in numerous ways, and there are NO 'staggering costs' to the taxpayer as they argue in order to propitiate the sympathy of the American people.

The objection by most is the clause about mandating people to buy some kind of health insurance coverage. Does the government have the right to mandate this? Well, there were certainly no objections to the mandating of insurance coverage for getting a drivers license, purchasing a mortgage, purchasing an automobile, or many other instances of forcing people to purchase insurance coverage.

And while i am on a rant about the insurance thing - that infuriating ad on TV by Huckabee about the Democrats forcing this onto the American people, is exactly what the current GOP party is doing on a state to state basis by changing the laws in favor of the wealthy, without the consent of the American people. Now which is worse? Being "crammed" by the GOP or being "crammed" by the Democrats? And i use the word 'crammed' as a polite colloquialism for what i would REALLY like to say.

The great question is what the supreme court will decide when the issue of the Affordable Health Care Act goes before them. They are obviously going to be caught between a rock and a hard place because they are certainly pro corporation (as proven by their decision to deem corporations the same status as an individual) and mandating people to purchase insurance will surely benefit the insurance companies. While on the other hand they are also pro Republican and quite obviously anti democracy. So, who do they slight? (Note i say slight, and no what is legally or morally just): Do they slight their corporate friends, or do they support their party of choice?


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Dee,

Re visit our web site. I'm the founder and I'm growing daily. The Glen Beck, and Ron Paul thing were rookie mistakes. That's been gone for quite a while, and so is the CNN and Fox News feeds. Check out our new look and "Big Eight Initiatives." I'm happy to say that the moderate left now make up almost thirty percent of our membership and that is growing. The changes that have to be made ARE radical, but they are neither right or left. They're just smart. I try to keep my center right personal ideas separate from the organization. I have some strong feelings on this election for instance, but those feelings don't spill into the organization.

I'm going to do a piece on negative campaigning soon. I think you'll like it.

As always Dee, I respet your opinion, and there is much more that we agree on than we disagree on.

jim


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

http://hubpages.com/@themanwithnopants

Thanks. And in view of those changes, i would be happy to revisit your web site. Funny, i was just entertaining the thought of doing a hub on negative campaigning as well. But i will defer to you for that one.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

D.

No, do the hub. It'll be a while before I do mine and it will be a different angle anyway I'm sure. Mine is going to be on the sad truth of why the negative way is the only way to win. ummmm .. if two crooks are competing for a job and don't have mush positive to stand on, the only way to make themselves look good is by making the other guy look horrible by contrast. In marketing, if the only way you can move your product is to bad mouth the competition, it means your product doesn't have enough merit to close the deal standing on it's own. Anyway, that'll be my angle. :/

jim


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

Wow. That is great. Can't wait to read yours. Mine was not going in that direction.


keith stone 4 years ago

she isn't directing this to all people on medicare..

she isn't directing this to all people on low income housing.

she isn't directing this to all people on welfare.

she is directing it to the people who abuse the system and as far as I can see, its more abuse than actual need..

I live in a new development where 10% is low income (40B program)

just like she said.. They got some of the biggest houses in here and these rang from 4 to 500k. The people on this program have expensive cars.. those that have middle of the road vehicles have other toys instead. One family has..

3 cars.

snow mobiles

a boat

motorcycle

wave runner

and that's only what I see on the outside..!!!

so she is only pointing out the scammers and that fact of the matter is, the majority of people are totally scamming the system.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

keith stone:

thank you for reading and your comments. I do agree that there are a lot of abuses to any public assistance program. But you cannot blame the program for that abuse. It is like throwing the baby out with the dirty bathwater. The problem is in the delivery of those programs, they are done with good intentions by people who know little about how to set them up to avoid and weed out those scammers. But it is not only with government programs that the weasels find a way to circumvent the good intentions.

Most of the time these programs are set up to fail for whatever ulterior motive might be intended, for some kind of payback for supporting the originators of those bills.

Take for instance the concept of the separation of church and state. Religious entities pay no taxes, yet they donate big bucks to candidates that are willing to promote hatred and bigotry in the name of their beliefs. There should be no representation without taxation. And yet, the Bush administration saw fit to reward those religious thieves with his unilateral passing of a bill that would allow religious "businesses" to access government money without any oversight as to what they do with our tax dollars that they take for free. This is blatant abuse of taxpayer money, and just one small example of how our elected officials stick it to us (the People who put them in that office). Corruption runs rampant and there is no one to oversee the actions of those corrupt politicians, or no safeguards in place to oust the bastards when they do their dirty underhanded tricks to us.

Punishing everyone who actually needs assistance is certainly not the answer to any government problems of the minority who scam the system. You state "the majority of people are totally scamming the system" referencing the poor and needy, and yet nothing is ever spoken about the wealthy corporate CEOs who scam the government out of billions/trillions of dollars of taxpayer money every year. As long as it is for payback for money that bought them their seats in government it is deemed appropriate?

In Florida recently this idiot governor unilaterally passed an edict that everyone on public funds be tested for drugs as a prerequisite for getting needed assistance. Thank goodness there were judges in this state that overrode that edict. Especially when it was found that only 1% to 2% of the recipients of public assistance uses drugs (for recreational purposes). He also closed all pain clinics in this state because he believed that the majority of those in pain were lying just to get drugs. A belief that was unsubstantiated with facts. The last thing we need in this country is a government that sees the people in general as a threat to their free use of our tax payer dollars.


Al Thompson, R.E.A., C.E.I. 4 years ago

I think you missed the point of what this smart 21 year-old female was conveying. I agree with her in principal on everything. Many of these 'career welfare recipients' are fleecing the system with the help of the liberal politicians with whom receive their votes on election day to keep the "system" and "victims" coming back for more -- as long as they stay loyal to the liberals who "take care of them". This is not the majority of welfare recipients, but a large number who know the system and play it well. In many cases, the TAXPAYER iare the "victims", not the free-loaders. You still call them "victims" when they are pros at "getting all that free stuff". Give the girl a break -- she said what many of us already think. This was generalized and I think she did a great job.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

Thanks for taking the time to read and comment.

Although your comments are appreciated they are typical for the tea party mentality.

Those who believe that the baby should be thrown out with the dirty bath water, are currently in charge of this nation, to our dismay, but it will get a lot worse if they gain more power and momentum in the future.

One does not abandon a good humanitarian principle because conservatives believe they are the true answer to all. There are always problems with any new program (or old ones that were never refined) so the solution is to correct the loopholes and have better oversight, not simply abandon the needy to spite those terrible "liberals" you refer to.

Even your archaic religions tell you to care for the needy, not stomp them into the ground for the sake of more profits at the top of the food chain.


13th Generation American 4 years ago

I am stupefied as to why you, as a senior citizen, do not have the wisdom of your years to check out the validity of the email you received. Or are you one who believes everything that your friends forward to you is the gospel truth?

I checked it out when I received it and found that the originator of the piece, printed in the Waco TX Tribune Herald, had no age of the person listed. On top of that the person was a male, not a female.

Additionally, I found much of your comments, although some may have had A TINY BIT OF MERIT, certainly not on par with the wisdom of a senior citizen, at least one who has seen life through free eyes not filtered by socialist propaganda.

I will say that there are those who fall on hard times and need a hand up, but, I believe that it is not the government's (taxpayers) place to make decisions of who is truly eligible and who is just a freeloader gaming the system. And, no one can PROVIDE ADEQUATE PROOF that the majority of those getting some or all of their support from the govt. coffers are NOT FREELOADERS. Only those people’s church homes really know who is truly in need and can and will help them out. If they don’t have a church home there are community pantries and other means of temporary help they can use. There is ABSOLUTELY no need for govt. handouts, not even in the times of disaster where the Red Cross and so many church provided disaster response teams are always on the scene.

For your edification, the only real compassion one human can have for another is to insist that the other use his or her God given talents and abilities to work for the good of themselves and their family. Then and ONLY THEN can that person enjoy some self dignity and realize what they were put on this earth for.

In short, you are just one of those who are intent on helping to provide large numbers of victims so this communist government can buy votes to further enslave your supposed victims along with the rest of the real Patriotic Americans. Those Patriotic Americans who work hard and are forced to pay the ridiculous taxes this illegitimate regime uses to buy votes. That is why the writer said those on the govt. dole should have no say in the elections of this govt., IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST no matter how YOU slice it.

I too am a senior but I have been fortunate to not have been brainwashed by the state centers of indoctrination. Thus, I see life through free eyes and will not allow myself to be misled as you have. I feel sorry for you as you can so easily be lied to.

So with that, take your propaganda and FALSE COMPASSION and find someplace else to spew your regurgitated satanic lies.

Here are two links to the truth, if you would like to know it:

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/...

http://picklyman.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/from-the...

And for a copy of the actual article and not an email of the edited truth:

https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/tag/waco-t...


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

To: 13th Generation American:

Well, i guess i have been told! L.O.L. Your passion is admirable, albeit, a bit misplaced. Yours are the words of one who has seen very little hardship in life, probably deeply indoctrinated into some offbeat religious cult, and filled with hatred and disdain for anyone who does not fit into your small world of ignorance.

The argument that government should not be concerned about the individual citizen is a bit off base to say the least. There are many people in this world that are less fortunate than most, not by their own desires, but by the very nature of their existence: People born with physical disabilities, mental disorders, young people who chose to serve their countries and came home totally disabled and thrown to the wolves by our government, people who have terminal illness who cannot work or support themselves, those who suffer needlessly in pain because we have insurance companies that choose what medicines will be paid for and those that will not..... i could go on and on, but hopefully even you can get my point here.

When people who say government should not be involved in those unfortunate people's lives, you are actually saying (as modern day GOP states over and over again) ..."just let them die" (courtesy of the current house speaker).

Because disabled veterans need assistance they should be denied the right to vote? That is definitely the voice of the new GOP mentality.

You advocate letting the private sector take care of their own problems - like the religious businesses in this world? -Those that take billions of dollars from frightened people, live their lives in luxury, while telling their congregation they must pay their way into heaven? If this was such a great alternative, then why are so many people suffering and starving in the U.S. today? Or do you really care?

You are correct in that i have been misled by the realities of life; its harshness, indifference and the greed of those who have, versus those who do not have.

Yes, you were also correct that this article was borne out of that email being circulated around the internet, but that article summarizes the current trend of this world, and obviously was not written by the compassionate sector. It was a radical tea party mentality that sees only their own visions of how this world should be run - without compassion for their fellow man. So, the particulars about the author who penned it, is immaterial.

You, as a senior citizen, should be ashamed of your attitude of disrespect for human suffering and needs unfulfilled. Obviously you have learned nothing with your own long and selfish years on this planet. You probably also believe that there is no effects on our environment caused by the greed of man, that the world as we know it began 6,000 years ago, that J.C. actually walked on water, and i am sure you were brainwashed and indoctrinated into some religion that agrees with, and taught you, your current beliefs. How sad.

So, it is I, who feels sorry for you and others like you who have never learned compassion and how to be unselfish in life.

It is said that God will judge one on their actions and deeds not their words. I spent my life dealing with the sick, infirm, disabled, hungry, addicted and socially outcast people in this world, and will leave this world with much disappointment in humanity for allowing all this to continue, because of an ideology that embraces selfishness, pride and greed instead of their alternatives.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

To: 13th Generation American:

I also forgot to add, i did view your recommended links. They are published by a radical right wing group that advocates hatred, intolerance, bias and bigotry in their worst forms. There is no pride in being all that evil toward your fellow human beings. When you advocate these negatives in the name of your God, that God is not one of love and compassion, but just the opposite. Satan worship comes in many forms, and these are indelible aspects of that "religious" mentality.


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Lyle Felix 4 years ago

To D Williams.

You don't even know me and what my life has been and you prove that by saying false things about me that you could not possibly know unless I had told you. I have told you nothing about me.

How can you claim to be loving and compassionate and yet say, and I quote you; “Yours are the words of one who has seen very little hardship in life, probably deeply indoctrinated into some offbeat religious cult, and filled with hatred and disdain for anyone who does not fit into your small world of ignorance.” How do you know what my life has been? Your words are those of a biased, judging, “know it all” mind set.

I have been fortunate to have been brought up in a loving family that taught me the value of putting the other person's interests ahead of my own. We were not poor but only had just what we needed and certainly nothing of a frivolous nature (by choice). That is why we DID NOT NEED to apply for government handouts. We, with the help of God, provided for ourselves through hard work. My parents would not even consider keeping incorrect change from a merchant, with the attitude that it was his mistake and their good fortune, as some do. They would politely make the correction and the merchant would thank them for their honesty. That's how I learned to spend my, as you misjudge me, "long and selfish years on this planet."

If you were to unknowingly step into the road in front of an 18 wheeler doing 30 MPH, would you want me to stop you or would you rather I just keep my understanding of your immediate future to my “Radical Right Wing” self? Well here are my observations of your reply to me.

I am surprised that, in your hatred and anger, (don't say you have none, as it is revealed in your words) you have the gall to say that you have love and compassion. You certainly have not shown, those you disagree with, much of it as you use demeaning terms to refer to them i.e. “Radical Tea Party” "Radical Right Wing Group" etc.!

You certainly seem to have recognized all the greed and evil in this world which is the result of God giving man the free will to sin against Him and their fellow humans. Would you suggest that a righteous God wipe out the people He created that don't toe His line? That would make Him unrighteous and a hateful imposter. I would not be able to love a God like that because I would never know if and when He was going to wipe me out because I was being sinful. I could only have great fear of a God like that.

Maybe that is where you are at in your life; you hate Him because His righteousness is in dire conflict with your unrighteousness. And that condemns you when you take a deep look at yourself. So, to compensate you claim to be loving and compassionate because you stand up for (in words) those who have troubles in their lives and claim that the government should take care of all those poor people. How much of YOUR OWN money and time (blessings from God) have you given to any of those you claim to have so much compassion for?

You need to provide proof of, and I quote you; “Religious entities pay no taxes, yet they donate big bucks to candidates that are willing to promote hatred and bigotry in the name of their beliefs.” Show proof or don’t state it as if it were fact. That also is unloving, to say nothing of being a false witness.

Why are the writings of others that you don't agree with written by a "Radical Right Wing Group?" Maybe your writings should be, in kind, labeled as "Radical Left Wing" ranting that as you say, “advocates hatred, intolerance, bias and bigotry in their worst forms.” That is how I, along with many others, understand you words.

Why do you regard what they wrote as; "being all that evil toward your fellow human beings?" Is it that, ONLY what you believe, is loving and compassionate and has merit?

God is a God of Love and compassion because He has provided the means of forgiveness and rebirth as a free gift for all who desire it. On the other hand, in His righteousness, He must judge all men. To NOT do so would make Him an unjust hypocrite because He says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." There in is the problem for ALL the, “I want to do it myself” mistaken attitude. Either we believe we can WORK our own way to heaven OR, we continually try to convince ourselves that there is no God. Could the latter be you?

I am real sorry that you don't find Him loving and compassionate. It will be an eternal tragedy to be found lacking forgiveness in the hands of a just and righteous God.

I challenge you to read a copy of “The Case for Christ” written by former atheist journalist Lee Strobel, with an open mind. You are presently of the same belief that he was at as he set out to prove that everything written about Christ, along with the Bible was all a bunch of myths. I would send you a copy if you would reply here with the promise to read it and post your own composed book report here for all to read.


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Lyle Felix 4 years ago

D. Williams,

Just so there is no confusion, my original comment was under the name 13th Generation American and I have no idea how my reply to you was changed to my Facebook login.

Lyle Felix


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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You accuse me of what you are doing yourself.

I have never denied God, or found fault with any thing that man attributes to a benevolent creator. What i do take exceptions to are the rantings of those who profess to know it all when it comes to the salvation of others, and who judge others without knowing them, as most religions do.

Christ was only a man who lived 2,000+ years ago and was made more than he was, by men who needed something in their lives to "prove" that what they believed in was true, or valid.

Modern day religions are no more than businesses who exploit people in the name of a God they claim hates anyone who does not adore him. That kind of reasoning is illogical and only in the minds of those who belong to those religious cults that promote such fairy tales. There cannot be such a thing as a perfect entity that requires adoration. That is an oxymoron. Perfection needs no validation. Pure love needs no worship. Being part of the Oneness that creates such magnificence as the universe, galaxies,planets, and even the complicated bodies we live in, cannot disassociate parts of itself by deeming itself sinful, or not worthy to belong.

Your beliefs are primitive and inexcusable when the knowledge of the universe is available to all who seek it. Christ was a living example of that belief, as he was a Gnostic by faith, and believed that each of us possesses the ability to connect with the universal Oneness without the need of religion, or paying some pastor a tithe to gain access to what we already belong to.

History does not bear witness to anything but the ramblings of ancient men who deified Jesus in order to control their lives. The bible itself was a manufactured piece of literature by those in the Roman Government who saw an opportunity to gain control over the uneducated people of the times. And as we know by modern day political pandering and campaigning: If one tells the same lie often enough, the liar will believe it as truth.

Salvation belongs to any, and all, who come from our Universal Oneness and whose life energies will return there.

I may have been wrong about your being privileged in life, but not wrong about your biases against those who do not see the world as you do.

When a man/woman feels the need to boast about their good deeds, then they are no longer deeds of goodness. And those who point fingers at others in judgment, must realize that they have 4 fingers pointing back at them.

Many of our government officials and their religious backers (yes, the radical ones), pass judgments on those they do not understand and cry their devotion to their Gods, are not as righteous as they would want others to believe.

What you believe to be God with all his human characteristic attributes is only true in the manifestations of your own mind, and therefore only pertinent to you.

My beliefs, and the beliefs of others that are different than yours, make them no less real, no less honorable, and no less acceptable to the Universal Oneness.

My observations regarding the "radical" right and the "radical" religious zealots is not an opinion, it is based on observation and a history of encountering such bigoted prejudicial behavior over and over and calling it God's work.

You feel the need to push your religion and its beliefs the same way that i feel it necessary to uplift man's ignorance to the light of the universe. Our goals are the same, but as is written somewhere in history, there are many roads to salvation, but they all lead to the same ending. Or more simply put, the saying 2000 + years ago was: All roads lead to Rome.

Yes, i would read the book you reference, but i will never give out my name and address on this site. I have had my life threatened too many times by "christians" who see themselves as soldiers of Christ to put myself in the path of their violence in the name of their Gods.

Our history is filled with people being murdered by "God Fearing" people to appease the gods that they worship. I trust no man today who speaks of doing god's work by committing violence against another human being.

This article is not about religion, it is about misdirected beliefs about humanitarianism. I have no need to further discuss our religious differences as there is no right or wrong way to view them except in the eyes of those arguing their points of origin.


13th Generation American 4 years ago

D. Williams

Again you judge me and my motives without knowing.

I do not ascribe to any false religious organizations that you claim I am following. I do fellowship with people who know God as I have learned of Him in my study of the Bible. Other than that, I do not follow any man made religious organizations.

To me, religion, in the world's sense of the word is; "man identifying God as man would have Him to be. Much as a genie in a bottle super power who only exists to fulfill our every desire. He is far from that for me.

I sense you to be a person, like so many others, who has been terribly wronged by one of those religious groups that you refer to.

God does not need anyone's praise or adoration to validate Him or His Son (God Himself) Jesus Christ. I see Him as one who intended to create man as a group of beings that He desired to love, bless and fellowship with, as I believe He did.

The only problem is that Satan deceived man by distorting the very words of God and man chose to believe Satan, went against God's will for man and followed the path of what God calls sin. This made man imperfect and no one or nothing imperfect can ever survive in the presence of a perfect God, he or it will be destroyed.

Now God is working to redeem man and a fallen world to Himself so that He may, one day, complete His desire to have holy men (human beings) to love, bless more fully and have unlimited fellowship with Him in a perfect world.

With that, I believe this life is just an opportunity to chose which side we want to, and will, be on with the second chance opportunity to live a life learning to give and show love to others much in the way that God does.

I realize that your article is not about religion but it covers beliefs regarding humanity and human natures that either agree with or disagree with what God teaches in His word. One can not discuss the ills of the world without touching on, what you describe as, God being in everything.

I would expect you to dismiss any claims of being a Christian made by someone who would threaten your life. I am sure you would see through their hypocrisy.

Since you would read the book, and I want to honor your wishes to not reveal your personal information, here is a link to a video that will reveal what Lee Strobel found out in his effort to discredit the deity of Christ.

And, don't make the mistake of agreeing with someone who insists that Lee should have interviewed those who were not avid followers of Christ. It would be the same as asking an enemy to be kind to you and guide you in the right direction. I'm sure you already know your enemy would most certainly misguide you and possibly kill you because he is your enemy.

topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-case-for-christ/

Sincerely,

13th Generation American


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

to: 13th Generation American:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/VISIONS-FR...

I have no interest in trying to change your mindset regarding your religious beliefs. They are what they are. I have not been wronged, per se, by any religion, just came to realize what they represent, and that is NOT what they preach. Christianity, as a religion, is just one of many that beg to control the lives and fates of others - whatever their motives might be. But blind faith will never make one safe from the evils in this world.

The most famous ploy of organized religions is to invoke the name of Satan to defend their beliefs in their religions and to try to dispel the beliefs of others not of their cult. Historically, this has worked well, and still does.

I have put a link above to my latest article, if you find the time to read it, you will understand what MY beliefs are, and i can assure you they are as real as yours. The realities that we each live in, are unique unto themselves, and each as valid as any others they might provoke an emotion from.

I will check out your link, thank you for providing it, but there will never be anything written or attested to, or that can ever convince me that any man past, present, or future, deserves to be called God. I find that concept an affront against all others borne onto this earth, as we are ALL part of the same Oneness. One thought from your mind cannot be greater than another thought, or one spark of electricity from a bolt of lightning cannot be greater than that of all other parts of the same lightning bolt.

You see your god as an entity that requires something of humans, i see my god as the entirety of existence from which we all are part of, without exceptions based on what any mortal man deems to be wrong, or who dares to try to depict the intentions of the Creator of all things we know as our reality.

Learn the history of your bible, and other "holy" books, and you will find them to be creations manifested out of the minds of those who profess to know something you and i are not privy to. The universal truths belong to all who open their minds and hearts to the influence of all that is.

http://youtu.be/LkaH3hEmV3M (Hell is an invention of the church for control)


ellise 3 years ago

It is NOT a Constitutional "Right to vote" anymore than it's a Right to have a Drivers License.. these are privileges which, for some, according to Gov. regulations has been removed. SO, it's not such a bad idea afterall perhaps, on that grounds.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

ellise

Thanks for reading and taking the time to comment. I am not quite sure which part you think is.... "not such a bad idea after all...".

Removing public assistance of any kind is not as option. Requiring more stringent requirements is also not an option.

When we prosper in our own lives we think everyone else should, could, or can do the same thing. But, that is far from reality. There are always mitigating circumstances beyond our control that make improvement in our lives all but impossible...We cannot judge others on those unfortunate circumstances and deny them assistance just because they seem less than we are as prosperous individuals.

There will always be those who manipulate the system, and these are the problems that should be addressed - at both ends of the spectrum.

Here, in this country, the purpose is to denigrate those on the unfortunate extreme of life's scale, but somehow it appears to be acceptable by most to have the wealthy not pay taxes, get huge kickbacks, take advantage of loopholes in the law, of their own making, to take more out of society than they have earned, or even deserve. It is so much easier to kick the poor and downtrodden when they are at their most vulnerable, but not OK to criticize those on the other end of the spectrum who actually contribute to, and often cause, the unfortunate circumstances that drive some to need that public assistance. Talk about double standards.


bruce 3 years ago

I would like to see where the proof that the GOP wants to eliminate voting rights for the poor, elderly, or disabled Americans is. This statement has been listed several times in the replies and the "Hub author" chides respondents about stereotyping.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

bruce

Thanks for reading and commenting. Apparently you do not follow the political news. How many states were there that "purged" their voting lists. How many states did the GOP gerrymander to create districts that would favor conservatives? How many senior citizens that are lifelong U.S. citizens, served in the military, worked all their lives, paid taxes, etc.., that were purged because someone decided they were possibly aliens? The GOP also wasted years on introducing over 1500 separate legislatures that took rights of choice away from women instead of concentrating on jobs and the economy? How many states did the GOP shorten the number of days for registering new voters, and early voting? How many states passed laws that made it illegal for one person to sign up new voters? Shall i go on?

There is no prejudice in telling things the way they are.


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EWRiggs 3 years ago from SE USA

Hey Jim -

Just a correction. MediCAID is for those on welfare, particularly unmarried mothers, their babies, and others who do not have adequate income. MediCARE is for the elderly and disabled. Different programs, different pots of money - for the most part.

After working in the public health system for years, I can testify that once someone is on welfare and receiving benefits, they quickly learn to "work the system" to get more. They do use their EBT cards (food stamps under a different guise) to purchase junk food and non-food items.

As far as whether it is "unconstitutional" to deny people the right to vote when they are on the government dole, you might want to read the history of the Constitution. As originally written, although emended, only LANDOWNERS were to be allowed to vote. By permitting people on the government dole to vote is like permitting one sheep and 3 wolves to vote on what's for supper. Jailed felons and even released felons have no voting rights. Those on the dole certainly should not vote. Only those paying property taxes should, under the original intent, should be permitted to vote.

By the way, d.william - how many states did the Demoquacks gerrymander to create districts that would favor liberals? How many districts had people voting more than once - some bragging that they have voted 6 times? How many precincts had uniformed thugs (not police) standing in the doorways that frightened away voters, especially the elderly? How many districts had people voting in the names of dead people? Shall I go on? There is no prejudice in telling things the way they are.


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d.william 3 years ago from Somewhere in the south Author

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thanks for reading and leaving your comments. Your comparison of medicaid and medicare is only partially true. Yes, medicare provides for 8O% of medical care, but medicaid is also for the elderly who cannot pay for the 20% left over from medicare bills. And just to be clear - medicare is not free to seniors - a portion of the social security checks is taken out for the cost of that medicare health benefit.

Your comments regarding those on welfare who "work the system" is only done by a small percentage. But it is a good talking point for those who would like to see those in need go without any benefits at all. Your proposal is the same as saying one should throw out the baby with the dirty bath water. These glitches should be addressed and fixes, just as those glitches and failings in every government agency should be. No-one in washington seems to care about those loop holes and the waste of tax payer dollars.

Your interpretation of who should vote is also a bit off base. Every citizen has the legal right to vote, and that should never be compromised to any reason.

Your comments about felons not being able to vote after they are released from prison is also incorrect. At least in the state of Florida. After a person is out of prison from serving a term for a felony they have the right to vote. If the government does not reinstate that right they have the option of petitioning to have them reinstated, and 99% of the time it is granted.

Your comments about gerrymandering is true for both parties. One is not above the other when it comes to vote manipulation. However the current trend to purge names from the voting polls, changing the laws to make it more difficult for students and elderly to vote belongs solely to the GOP.

Thugs and voting fraud is also not limited to one party. There are cases of fraud from both sides. But those 'frauds' are such a small percentage they are actually insignificant. The worst by the GOP is when thousands of votes were "lost" in transit from Miami to Tallahassee when G.W. was (voted?) in for his second term. This 'loss' paved the way for him to be simply ushered back into the presidency.

There IS prejudice in telling things the way they are when what is being told is only a partial truth.

Bigotry and discrimination is never pretty even in the eyes of those who do them.

Continuing to foster and encourage this rift between the parties only fuels the incompetence in Washington DC further.


disappointed 3 years ago

I was looking for a voice of reason, not a thinly veiled serving of Kool-Aid. I guess I'll keep looking.


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disappointed: Sorry you were disappointed. If you find some greater truth, please feel free to share it with us all.

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