American Politics: Donald Trump the American Political Disaster and Disgrace [273*12]

Donald Trump is Becoming the Face of America

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The UnMaking of American Idealism

I DON’T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO START! THE STRAW THAT broke the camel’s back goes as follow from his statement on December 7, 2016 (Pearl Harbor):

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. …”

He then followed this up with:

"Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,"

Then there was a 24-second standing ovation from the crowd, and then this:

“This is pretty heavy stuff. And it’s common sense, and we have to do it. These are people who are here, by the way, … These are people who only believe in jihad. They have no respect for human life.”

The crowd then cried: “Send them all home!

And with that American politics has sunk to a new and palpably dangerous low. While Trump says he is “the worst thing that has ever happened to ISIS”, the reality is he is the best thing that has happened to Daesh while, at the same time, being the worst nightmare America has faced in a long time.

I say “dangerous” because Trump has become the best recruiting tool Daesh has ever had for Trump amplifies the greatest fears Muslims, both internally and externally, have of America. How can they not turn to a group that supposedly has their back while the “home of the brave and of the free” arrogantly and cowardly turns their back on them.

Trump, Sadly, Isn't Alone in His Islamophobia

TRUMP ISN'T ALONE IN THIS BELIEF AMONG THE GOP field. For example, Senator Rand Paul held similar albeit less extreme views; but he did Trump one better, Paul introduced actual legislation (it lost 10 - 89) to "pause" immigration. Proudly. Sen. Paul recently tried to set the record said:

"I’ve called for something similar, which is a moratorium based on high risk. And so we have examined where the high risk of terrorism comes from and it’s about 34 countries. I would put a pause on all immigration from those 34 countries. I have actually introduced legislation and got a vote on it. I had a vote on it just last week. Which is kind of interesting, all the hoopla, because people don’t seem to understand a similar concept has already been voted on."
Read more at http://wonkette.com/596793/rand-paul-thought-of-banning-muslims-first-how-come-trump-gets-all-the-credit#VWfyoYO3rTX7wtfk.99

Dr. Ben Carson has exhibited this same xenophobia and bigotry as well when he asserts Muslims aren’t qualified to be President of the United States and then there is:

“For instance, you know, if there is a rabid dog running around your neighborhood, you’re probably not going to assume something good about that dog, and you’re probably gonna put your children out of the way,” Carson said. “Doesn’t mean that you hate all dogs by any stretch of the imagination.”

The Conservative radio and tv talk show entertainers (e.g. Hannity and Limbaugh) went into a virtual swoon over the melody of Trump’s words.

There Will Be Consequences

WHAT ARE THE PROBABLE CONSEQUENCES THE RIGHT'S religious pogrom on Muslims. Because of their irrational, paranoid, racial/religious intolerance, America is more susceptible to violence than it otherwise would be. Hate crimes cannot help to be on the upswing given the high-level expression of support of Trump's policy and the Right-wing rabble's obsession with arming every American whether they will be responsible or not; this includes, as I said earlier, people on federal and state watch lists. Paranoia leads to bad decisions like fear-based rash actions such as to take one of those guns they so highly value and dispatch a potential (simply because he/she is Muslim) terrorist; it’s self-defense after all and Trump et al has given them permission to carry out this act of American virtue.

Further, it is almost a given that recruitment for Daesh will increase from within the U.S. and outside of it; and so will acts of terrorism driven by the rhetoric coming out of this country, as well as other Right-wing groups around the world. One of the San Bernardino terrorists was American and his wife (Pakistani who lived in Saudi Arabia) was a permanent resident. They apparently were radicalized prior to 2013. What does that mean? That means, by extension, there are more radicalized people out there, they could be your neighbors, and Trump and friends have stirred them up.

Is Trump A Nazi?

THAT QUESTION IS SERIOUSLY BEING ASKED NOW, in fact one reporter made reference to this question in an interview. Why, because this latest rhetorical barrage has reached new and uncharted heights in serious debate which surrounds Presidential campaigns. Donald Trump is no fly-by-night crackpot; instead he is the front-runner of the GOP in the race for the Presidency; and given his massive support from Conservatives, it will probably get worse!

Adolf Hitler would be proud of the tactics and strategies (big lie, remember) Trump is using to become head of the Reichstag, er pardon me, the executive branch; all you have to do is replace Jew with Muslim and Trump’s playbook becomes the same playbook Hitler so successfully used. And I am not simply being politically incorrect in drawing that comparison; it is very real and just as frightening. Why? Because there is a built in propaganda arm in the Right-wing media who has been supporting him or at least giving him a pass; further he has an army of Right-wing Authoritarian (RWA) Followers to carry out his Socially Domineering Oriented (SDO) agenda*; and they were on full display at his rallies giving full-throated approval of Trump’s hate speech.

What is worse, the Party he has adopted, the conservative element of it anyway, did the politically correct thing in denouncing, some loudly but others more softly, Trump’s rhetoric, they didn’t say the only thing that makes any difference and sets them apart from Trump … they would all still vote for him should he become the nominee!! That is, in my opinion, despicable, un-American, weak-kneed, and unprincipled; which is amazing for a Party who says the only thing that matters is principle; not the nation's survival, not the nation's progress, just principle.

What else has Trump said on this subject?

  • When asked by reporter Hunter Walker whether the surveillance of Muslims Trump is advocating would include such things such as registering Muslims in a database or “giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion.” Trumps response was “We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely; we’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.” Asked later if he was serious about a Muslim database, Trump responded “I would certainly implement that. Absolutely…”
  • Relative to closing the Internet to prevent Muslims from attacking the U.S. he said “"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet, and we have to do something. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."
  • Talking about closing mosques, Trump said there is “absolutely no choice” and "Nobody wants to say this and nobody wants to shut down religious institutions or anything, but you know, you understand it. A lot of people understand it. We’re going to have no choice,"

And this is who 66% of Republicans think is right regarding Muslims and want for President.

When you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, the similarities are astounding which is why such comparisons with Hitler are being made all over the media, be it print, air, or blog. It scares the hell out of me, I can't imagine what it is doing to the Muslims living in this country; they probably think they will be rounded up and tossed into an interment camp (Trump used that analogy) vis-á-vis the Japanese-Americans during WW II.

What I do know they feel is what I saw on TV which is one response from an American Muslim; it went something sad like:

“Why did I bother to come here [America]? I can find all this hate back home”.

But then there is this from a viral Facebook post by Christ Herbert, and British soldier who lost a limb in Basra, Iraq:

"Yes. A Muslim man blew me up, and I lost my leg," he wrote. "A Muslim man also lost his arm that day wearing a British Uniform.

"A Muslim medic was in the helicopter that took me from the field. A Muslim surgeon performed the surgery that saved my life.

"A Muslim Nurse was part of the team that helped me when I returned to the UK.

"A Muslim Healthcare Assistant was part of the team that sorted out my day to day needs in rehabilitation when I was learning to walk.

"A Muslim taxi driver gave me a free ride the first time I went for a beer with my Dad after I came home.

"A Muslim doctor offered my Dad comfort and advice in a pub, when he didn't know how to deal with my medicines and side effects."

Unlike the Jews in Germany in the 1930s, Muslim-Americans do have the capability to leave America if the hate gets too strong and the government sits by and lets it happen; and I would probably join them, because the America I knew and was proud of, died. Who is going to win in the end, the philosophy of Donald Trump, an American presidential candidate, and his ilk or the British soldier, a man leading a regular life like most of us? It really is your choice.


Postscript - I guess there is a silver lining to all of this. If the Republican base has gone that far over the top, then chances seem good that Donald Trump will be their nominee. While 66% of Republicans sounds like a lot, they make up only 25% of the voting population. That means Trump would get only 17% of the vote plus any right-leaning independents who are really reactionary conservatives in independents clothing. The result … a drubbing worse than Walter Mondale received from Reagan in 1984.


* http://hubpages.com/politics/An-Analysis-of-the-Right-Wing-Authoritarian-Follower-RWA
http://hubpages.com/education/Are-You-A-Social-Dominator-Take-the-Test-and-FInd-Out

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Larry Rankin profile image

Larry Rankin 9 months ago from Oklahoma

Pretty strong verbiage for someone I'm used to being so even keel. I like it:-)

Originally it was my hope that Trump would ruin the vote for the ultra conservatives. Now I'm worried people might actually be foolish enough to elect him.

I kid you not, my family and I are giving up citizenship and moving if Trump wins. If Trump wins, then there is no hope for this country and no room for patriotism. I'll have to protect my family, and at that point the only way to do it is to leave.


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nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

I'm still confused how Trump hates any underrepresented minority.


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Yeah Larry, few things get me riled up, but Trump is so dangerous, it does.

Nicomp, I am surprised you even ask that question because it is so obvious, even a blind man could see it. From his marginalizing and ridicule of women, his stated belief that the majority of people who illegally cross our borders are rapists and murders, to his flailing his arms about mimicking the reporter with palsy, to essentially wanting to the Star of David, or what ever the Muslim equivalent is, on all Muslims in America. Those only scratch the surface.

What made Hitler so successful was his ability to daemonize all but the Aryan race. He lumped lie after lie after lie in his rhetoric until the lilly-white Germans believed him. I don't see much difference with Trump's program.

As I said in the Hub (I never know whether to capitalize that or not), the silver lining with Trump winning the GOP nomination is even Barney Franks could beat him in the general election. And if he could then Bernie Sanders, democratic socialist that he is could beat him; and Hillary will crush him.


nicomp profile image

nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

" From his marginalizing and ridicule of women, "

Tell us how he marginalized women. Not a woman, but all women. I'd love to hear it.

"his stated belief that the majority of people who illegally cross our borders are rapists and murders,"

... and how is that demonizing a race? Short answer: it's not.

" to his flailing his arms about mimicking the reporter with palsy,"

He made fun of one person. If you choose to generalize that into a 'hatred' for everyone with palsy, I'd say you're oversensitive.

It's OK if you don't like Trump or his politics or his bombast. I don't either. At least be honest about it.


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

It goes like this, where there is smoke, there is fire and Trump has smoke pouring out of every pore.

I am not going to take the time to show something 75 out of 100 people know to be true and the 25 who don't all belong to one group, the reactionary Right.


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nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

"It goes like this, where there is smoke, there is fire and Trump has smoke pouring out of every pore."

Well at least you're honest. You don't like Trump therefore you are happy to savage him by generalizing his remarks to fit your agenda. I do respect you for admitting such.

I trust your opinion of Hillary is formed using the same bias. She has smoke pouring from her.


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

No, I don't like Trump, and there very few people who gain that infamy. But, Trump brought it on himself by being the narcissistic, arrogant, racist, mysogenic, bully that he is. I do have to say though, that he is a rarity in that he possess all those traits at one time.

On the other hand, I didn't like 90% of W's policies because I think they were flat wrong and bad for the country. But that didn't translate to disliking him personally. I tolerated him, but after he left office, he did and said somethings which actually brought me to respect him.

My opinion of anybody is formed in the same way. I watch what they do and listen to what they say. Hillary has her faults, most of them possessed by the rest of us, but Trump is in his own league.


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bradmasterOCcal 9 months ago from Orange County California

ME

As long as people think that one party has the solution and the other party has been the problem the US will continue to decline as it has since the 70s

What does America stand for today, based on the history since the 70s, it stands for failure due to the divergent goals of the democrats and the republicans, and the people who are their loyal party voters.

There is little to connect today's US with the United States of 1776. The US Constitution has been stretched beyond recognition by minorities that have very well funded and political power, so that today the US is not run by the majority, but minorities that have worked the system.

Trump's idea is a good one, as the government and the president have been and continue to be dumbfounded by domestic terrorism. The government let us down on 911, and 2008, so why should we believe that they can keep the US safe from domestic terrorists.

On 911, 19 terrorists successfully attacked the United States at Home, and not a single defensive measure stopped them. Andrews Air Force Base couldn't even protect Washington DC. Norad was impotent, and the entire military was confused.

When it takes so few Muslim Terrorists to score against the Mighty US, then maybe Trump has the better idea. It is no different than the FAA grounding all the flights during 911, to get a better picture of what was going on.

President GW Bush had a chance to be a real commander in chief of the US military on 911 by taking control, instead of waiting for the FAA to hand off to NORAD.

The US government has failed, the president has become the de facto legislative branch of the government because the Congress can't turn purple. The SCOTUS has become politically tainted, and hasn't made a good decision, one that resolves the underlying issue brought before them.

All of the left, and right has been proven in history to be the root cause of the decline of this country. And it is the loyal party voter that is their pawn.

So without any change to purple, there is no expectation that it will matter who wins in 2016. People are not afraid of Donald Trump messing things up for the country because, it is pretty messed up already. They are afraid he might succeed where the current system has continued to fail.

How can anyone do any worse than what we have today?


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nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

"President GW Bush had a chance to be a real commander in chief of the US military on 911 by taking control, instead of waiting for the FAA to hand off to NORAD."

Sure. He should have climbed in a jet and intercepted those airliners. He should have been like President Thomas J. Whitmore or President James Marshall. Those guys would have handled their business.

Seriously, do you think Bush should have overridden policies and procedures and cowboy-ed the situation?


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Shyron E Shenko 9 months ago

My Eso, this is so true, it amazes me that Trump got this far.

Fantastic hub

Blessings and Hugs


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thank you Shyron, hope the holidays were great for you. It is not really a surprise to me given the large high-scoring RWA follower population in the Conservative Party. One of the salient characteristics of this kind of personality is "Lack of Critical Thinking" and to be able to support Trump at all, you must stop all thought process and "go with the flow".


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bradmasterOCcal 9 months ago from Orange County California

My Esoteric

A ridiculous premise

Nothing could be worse than the professional long term politicians that were part of congress in 2007-present.

In 2007, Congress and many of the US Senators started their almost 2 yr presidential campaign. Those in congress that were not running for the presidency, campaigned for reelection, or their party.

The 2008 congress, and the 2009 congress spent over 1.5 trillion dollars trying to keep the country afloat, and that is about all that it accomplished.

The US has been on a steady decline since the 70s, and the decline continues today. How can Trump do any worse than what the congresses, and presidents since the 70s have already done.

Both the democrats and the republicans have put together a pathetic selection of presidential candidates for 2016.

Since the 70s, both parties have had control, even total control at times and this is the result. The three branches of US government have failed.

If any thought process has stopped, it is that of the loyal party voters.

Happy New Year


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nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

"The US has been on a steady decline since the 70s, and the decline continues today."

Nonsense. Have you ever driven a car from the 70s? They were carbureted rust buckets that broke down regularly. The reason every gas station isn't a repair shop is because cars don't break down as much as they did in the 70s.

Did you have a smart phone in the 70s? How much was a Personal Computer in the 70s?

In 1977 interest rates were over 20%. How much home could you afford?

Did you go to the dentist in the 70s? The digital X-ray, invented in the 90's, emits 90% less radiation and has much higher resolution.

From first-hand experience I can tell you: smart people from all over the world still want to come here: our graduate schools are filled with students from everywhere. If things are so bad, why are college-educated engineers, computer scientists, physicists, and MDs lining up to get into our schools?


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Happy New Year to you as well Brad.

How much should it take to keep the country afloat?

As to "Nothing could be worse than the professional long term politicians that were part of congress in 2007-present." -- His name is Donald Trump,

I do agree, things have been going downhill since the late 70s, which coincides with the rise of radical conservatism. The only upswing was during the Clinton years when we ended up with the longest period of growth culminating in a budget surplus.

Then things went to hell again and hasn't improved much since then as the grip of radical conservatism has gotten stronger, stymieing any chance of progress like we say in the 1960s.


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Nicomp; there is no question that technologically, things have gotten much better since the 1960s, but those are material things. Socially, economically, and politically, things were much better in those departments 50 years ago (except for the wealthy, things are much better now for them)


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nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

Socially things were better in 1965?

Remember the Watts riots in 1965? 34 people killed, over 3000 arrested.

MLK Jr murdered in 1968.

JFK murdered in 1963.


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My Esoteric 9 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

For each anecdote you provide I'll find 2 from this decade. I'll start with the Great 2008 Recession, Sandy Hook, San Bernardino, Ferguson, the Iraq War, the Tea Party, massive income inequality.


nicomp profile image

nicomp 9 months ago from Ohio, USA

The Tea Party?

I love arguing with Leftists. Sooner or later they say the goofiest things.


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My Esoteric 8 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Actually, it started out as tongue-in-cheek but the more I thought about it, the more it occurred to me they have been a disaster. It is the Tea Party's philosophy of no compromise that has brought gov't to a standstill, divided the country into two extremes, attempting to weaken the United States in favor of a united States, etc.

The religious-right conservatives in the 1980s started comity's downfall and the Tea Party took the ball and ran with it. Government and America worked much better when the Moderates (me) controlled each Party.


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Ken Burgess 7 months ago from Florida

I am not going to add a very long response here... my response if you are interested can be seen in the Hub I wrote "Why Trump is the best candidate for Working Americans" ...

What I will say, is that I find it funny that people get so concerned with what he says, you know, all those politically incorrect statements...

When you have someone like Obama for instance that said all the right things, promised to rescind the Patriot Act, only he didn't. He promised to close Gitmo right away, only he didn't. He promised to balance the budget only he tripled our national debt. Promises, promises, promises... the only reason America is still chugging along as well as it is, is because of an extra 10 Trillion in debt that we owe to China... and that credit card is maxed out.

Clinton is from an even worse cut, she will say or do whatever she feels is necessary to get the Presidency, she means non of it, she lies so much and so often she no longer knows what the truth is.

Trump for all his faults, knows what the truth is, because he's not afraid of what others think, he is not reliant on lobbyists or PACs or China's backing, he can say he is going to end the preferred country status of China and he can mean it, because he isn't in their back pocket.

An outsider like Trump is what this nation needs, and most hard working Americans know it. Clinton... Bush... its just more of the same drudgery and lies.


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My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thanks for reading and commenting Ken.

It is not his "politically incorrect" stupidities that bother me (other than giving insight to his character, or lack there of). Instead, it is his politics; they are flat out dangerous, if he were able to implement them, for the existence of the US. Fortunately, he will quickly isolate himself from Congress, since they don't work for him and he can't fire them, who will have nothing to do with him; even if it remains in conservative hands.

Trump sees himself as some sort of messiah, just as Hitler and Mousulini did. Both had a very pissed off subset of the population who were willing to blindly follow them for they showed them the way to the promised land and a minority to blame and take their anger out on. I don't see this political season with Trump, Cruz, and their RWA followers being any different.


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Ken Burgess 7 months ago from Florida

My Esoteric

Trump is nothing like Hitler, he has never served in the military or seen war up close, he does not have a burning hatred for the past 'crimes' done to his country, or to him.

They are from two background types that couldn't be more different, one always had money and success, the other lived on the streets as a vagabond until WWI came along and gave him a way to vent his anger and frustrations.

Trump may look down on others, perhaps, but he has nothing in his character that resembles the psychosis that afflicted Hitler with regards to the Jews... to suggest these things is to make your own points seem nonsensical to any who know even a moderate amount of information of who Hitler was, and what he did.

And no, the population of America in no way resembles the Germans of that time, who suffered a destroyed economy, with no jobs, no future, a population that was a large majority of one racial background (like 90%+) where America is divided by race, religion, and even sex and has no majority powerful enough to do as you suggest.


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My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I am not sure military experience bears on the issue here; we are talking about high scoring social domineering oriented (SDO) personalities who have a large army of aroused RWA followers to do their bidding. In that, Hitler and Trump (and to some extent Cruz) have something in common.

(If you have read my hubs on RWA and SDO, an high scoring RWA is someone who will unquestioningly follow an authority figure that has their trust. The lower the score, the more likely that person is to question the thoughts and beliefs of their chosen leader and to begin to disagree with them.)


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Ken Burgess 7 months ago from Florida

Military experience has everything to do with it, those that have killed up close, and seen death up close, are shaped by those experiences... that is key, what makes up the person.

Hitler, saw death up close, killed, suffered injury, suffered defeat. Hitler lived on the streets, in shelters, off of handouts. Hitler was beaten as a child, and had ingrained in his depths doubts about his heritage and his worth.

Trump have never seen the horrors of war, has always had everything, the best education, the best lifestyle, the adulation of others, control over his destiny. He was certain of who he was, and what his worth was, from the moment he was born.

The two are so different, with such different backgrounds, its almost impossible to get further apart.


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nicomp 7 months ago from Ohio, USA

" It is the Tea Party's philosophy of no compromise that has brought gov't to a standstill, divided the country into two extremes..."

And Bernie Sanders perpetuates the divisive hate-speech as he blames "the rich" for all his constituents' problems. Sadly, they buy it.


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My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Fortunately, Ken, we will never know who is right.

Agree about the Tea Party, Nicomp, but not about Sanders (I am a Clinton supporter btw). His rhetoric, while sometimes over-the-top, is nothing compared to all of those on the Right (save Kasich). And, in my opinion, he is left-on (right on doesn't seem to quite fit here), when it comes to the wealthy class have a lot, but not all, to do with the

shrinking middle class and the stagnant to declining wages of the lower 20%.


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nicomp 7 months ago from Ohio, USA

". And, in my opinion, he is left-on (right on doesn't seem to quite fit here), when it comes to the wealthy class have a lot, but not all, to do with the shrinking middle class and the stagnant to declining wages of the lower 20%"

Eat The Rich!


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My Esoteric 7 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Boy, I need to start reading what I wrote before hitting send; that quote made very little sense to me ... and I wrote it. Let's try again

And, in my opinion, Sanders is left-on (right on doesn't seem to quite fit here). But, when it comes to the wealthy class, they have a lot, but not all, to do with the shrinking of the middle class and the stagnant to declining wages of the lower 20%.

I have no issue with rich people if they pay for the privileges and access that being rich gives them for free today. The tax code needs to go back to pre-Reagan which tamped down the growth in income equality.

Did you know the income/wealth structure in America today is almost like it was in the Guilded Age and is approaching that of France and Britain in the late 1700s and early 1800s.


couturepopcafe 7 weeks ago

Wow. All I can say is you see what this country stands for differently. Most civilized nations would restrict people from entering their borders if they felt the need and the rest of the world would respect their rights. And what this country stands for is rights, not free entry to anyone at any time. The only people who might suffer immediately and in the long run are the peaceful Muslims already living here. I don't know how "until we are able to understand and determine this problem" can be seen as a bad thing. Presidents can never win anyway. If a president did nothing and it ended up turning bad, he'd be blamed for not using defensive measures.


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Shyron E Shenko 7 weeks ago

My Eso, I am still amazed at how far the Donald has gotten. Surprised that the GOP did not take his Republican Registration card away for him.

Blessings my friend.


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bradmasterOCcal 7 weeks ago from Orange County California

If you don't know what year it is then you don't know anything.

What is wrong with you, don't you get it.

We don't live off the government like you do.

We don't want another 4 years of dumocrats.


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Tell me, couturepopcafe, does this ring a bell?

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Normal Americans are still proud of the this motto.


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Blessings to you, or whatever my Pantheistic equivalent is, as well Shyron. Trump got this far because there were 17 candidates running. He has had the same 25 - 30% he has always had. But the remaining 70% was split among the rest; so none were ever able to challenge him. By the time it got to a three person race, it was too late. Had it started with just 3 or 4 competitors, I think we would be facing somebody else right now).


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

It truly is an American political disgrace that the party in power, that has ostensibly done so well by American citizens, can only muster a candidate swathed in lies, FBI investigations, philandering, and outright disdain for Normal People. This is how the Dems propose to perpetuate Barack Hussein Obama's stellar legacy? This is what Progressives have waiting in the wings after 8 years to prepare?


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Boy, you have an active imagination, Nicomp and you are totally blind to the insane Trump. As to "swathed in lies", no more or less than most other politician; "FBI investigation(s)". actually SHE never was, her computer system was investigated for security violations with no prosecution recommended; "Philandering", REALLY? that's a new one; "Outright disdain for Normal People", where have you been living? Not in America obviously.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

Sigh! Is there any Liberal Progressive Democrat who can speak to the flaws of their candidate ( the first candidate of a major party who self-identifies as a woman!) without referring to the other candidates?

Why oh why must Progressive Liberal Democrats incessantly lean on the vagaries of Trump to justify the felonies of Hillary? Can I get a bumper sticker reading "Hillary: she may have ruined the lives of the women her husband molested and she may have lied to Congress and she may have sponsored only one bill while in the Senate, which was legislation to rename a street, but at least she's not Donald Trump!"


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

There are no "felonies" of Hillary, that exists in the Right-wing imagination only and hope that if they say it enough, someone might actually believe it.

Why do you use the word "may" when making a statement? It is as realistic as me saying Nicomp "may" be a murderer or Trump "may" be gay. Either Clinton ruined the lives of women or she didn't, which is it? and if you say she did ... prove it. And if you don't know, then it is very disingenuous of you to say anything implying she did.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

When, oh when, will a self-aware Liberal take ownership of Hillary's lies, of Hillary's duplicitous nature, of Hillary's disingenuous attitude toward women? Is there one honest Democrat out there who will admit that she actively participated in the slander and libel of women who were molested by her husband? Can we find one Democrat of sufficient moral fiber who grasps the concept that although FBI Director Comey suggested that she should not be prosecuted (despite the fact that such a pronouncement is beyond his authority) he also enumerated numerous instances wherein she lied under oath, she put national security at risk, and she violated federal requirements on national security?


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Randy Godwin 7 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

"he also enumerated numerous instances where she lied under oath"

Link Please?


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I know, Nicomp, this will come a major shock to you but "... the fact that such a pronouncement IS WITHIN his authority" That, in fact, is part of his job, to make recommendations to the Justice Department. If you carefully read the news, Lynch accepted his recommendation.

The rest of what you write is pure Right-wing fantasy and wildly unsubstantiated hyperbolic accusations. I'll try my own that is just as legitimate as yours - "All conservatives are racists"; since we know that is not true, neither is yours and for the same reasons.


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Hmmmm, speaking getting away with endangering national security and PROVING Clinton isn't being held to different standards, there is this:

In 2004, a federal investigation concluded that [Sen Richard] Shelby [R-AL] revealed classified information to the media when he was a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.[18] Specifically, Shelby revealed classified information on June 19, 2002 to Carl Cameron, the chief political correspondent on Fox News. The information consisted of two messages intercepted by the National Security Agency on September 10, 2001, but not translated until the day after the attacks—"the match is about to begin" and "tomorrow is zero hour." The Department of Justice declined to file criminal charges against Shelby and transferred the case to the Senate Ethics Committee. It dismissed its probe into the alleged leak.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

When will Liberals demand that their candidates be held to high standards of integrity? Will they ever stop comparing their candidate to Trump, a very low standard indeed? Will they ever honestly look at their candidate and admit she's covered in scandal? Will they ask themselves why she attacks American businesses in her campaign ads, impugning the hard-working workers she purports to represent? Will Liberal Democrats eventually start asking the hard questions about their candidate or will they turn a blind eye to a woman who stayed married to a serial philanderer simply so she could advance her political career?


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Ken Burgess 7 weeks ago from Florida

@My Esoteric

(this post disappeared) not sure where it went to but, it is worth trying again. I think we shall find out, I for one have had enough real experience seeing the media paint things opposite of what they truly are, and to the detriment of our nation and its people. So their all out and sometimes blatantly obvious efforts to denigrate Trump in every way possible, while shielding Hillary as much as possible is enough to raise even an experienced eyebrow.

This is a very interesting time in our history, I have been around long enough to remember the incredibly different times we had as Jimmy Carter's term was coming to an end, the interest rates were sky high, oil and gas seemed to be running out and was rationed at times, we were still shell-shocked from our not-war with Vietnam and the fallout of it...

And in a few short years, after America elected a President the media said could not win, said Carter had a 20 point lead over, said would be the ruination of America and society as we knew it... we were actually enjoying the best times our nation had ever known.

In many ways it was the ruination of what America was, because we returned to being a prosperous nation, with jobs galore, pay increases, and a belief that tomorrow was going to be better than today... by the late 80s it was a honor to serve in the military again, not considered a servitude or to be spat upon. People were proud to be Americans and believed in their leadership.

That truly seems a lifetime ago today... the distrust for politicians, for Washington, for the current President and she who would like to follow behind him is at a level I have never seen in my lifetime... the media is in full propaganda mode, there isn't even a shred of truth in half the reports they put out there on some of them, literally they spin things 180 degrees from the truth.

Supposedly Trump is being booed at his rallies and everyone hates him, yet just the other day he had more than 10,000 people at a rally, at a time when most people's focus is on getting ready for the coming school year or enjoying one final Summer Break... meanwhile they say Hillary is beloved yet she can't pull in more than 1,000 at her last rally, and I'd be willing to bet half of those folks were collecting a paycheck to be there to support her and keep people from seeing a plethora of empty seats.

We have entered a 1984 George Orwell like scenario where it comes to our media these days, it is all canned no matter what side you prefer... and if you are someone like me who is on the side of America, Americans, better wages, better jobs... and to heck with globalization or free trade at our expense.. then you don't care about either Party, just which candidate might actually bring about the most good.

And that is my last word, to anyone reading this... to hell with either Party, don't be a fool, don't buy into a bunch of this Party is better than that Party BS... BOTH parties have politicians taking handouts from those who do not care one wit about your future... BOTH parties have politicians as corrupt and despicable as they come.

If you can't see that truth, I truly feel sorry for you, because you are investing your effort and emotions into a worthless cause, neither party is worth anything... unless WE THE PEOPLE force the politicians to do what is best for US, they will continue to sell out their services to the highest bidder... and give you lip service, and point fingers at the other Party and blame them for your woes.

Right now that is what Trump is... the embodiment, the vessel, of voters anger and distrust and awareness that Washington is corrupt, politicians on both sides are worthless... his voters come from both the Democrat and Republican party, the disillusioned, the aware, people who never voted before because there was never a "politician" stating it the way it is, like Trump does... there was never a "Politician" calling both sides corrupt, calling the media a worthless bunch of liars, saying our trade agreements with other nations were killing our jobs and economy, saying that the PC BS that allows killers to roam free in our country has got to stop.... people are hearing him, no matter what the media does to try and convince the people of America otherwise.


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Randy Godwin 7 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

Yes Ken, Clinton did straighten out Reagan's mess as all Democratic presidents have to after the "Trickle Down Economics" of the Right ruins our economy. That junk never works and only helps the very rich.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

Sure, Randy, a US President has total control over the economy. Clinton gets complete credit for whatever he "straightened out" . Ignore the vagaries of capitalism such as Internet commercializationt and the massive investment caused by Y2K: it was

all Bill's doing.


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Randy Godwin 7 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

Sure Nico, merely coincidence such as gas prices during Dubya's reign, along with Haliburton's--another coincidence it being the Veep's former company--no bid contract. Can you remember another private business which had a no bid contract awarded by our government? These were not "vagaries of capitalism" by any means. LOL!


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Nicomp, I had to research your implication that Ds politicians are more likely to commit crimes than Rs. Actually, using data from 1981 forward regarding federal politicians convicted of crimes "and adjusting for population of politicians from each party", you are right. As to your implication that there is a large disparity, there is not. There were 27 Ds convicted, 12 of which were related to Abscam and the House Post Office scandal. On the other hand, there were 19 Rs, more or less evenly spread among reasons.

In any given year there is a 0.27% chance a D will be convicted and a 0.21% chance it will be a R.

So, When will Conservatives demand that their candidates be held to high standards of integrity?


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Shyron E Shenko 7 weeks ago

@ bradmasterOCcal, I will not stoop to your level by hurling insults at you the way you did at me, I will have you know I worked all my life and now that I am retired, you call that living off the government. If you were an adult maybe we could have a civil conversation, until that time, I will not answer anything from you.


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I'm sorry Ken but even if the normal media was trying to do Trump in, they don't have to; he does fine all by himself. As to the media laying off of Hillary, haven't you been reading/listening to the news since Feb 2015?

Until just recently, I see it just the opposite; EVERYBODY, the media included gave Trump a pass while they piled on the email thing; I am guessing you missed that.

I am curious, what do you think the real causes of "to remember the incredibly different times we had as Jimmy Carter's term was coming to an end, the interest rates were sky high, oil and gas seemed to be running out and was rationed at times, we were still shell-shocked from our not-war with Vietnam and the fallout of it..."? I just finished the chapter in my book regarding that period, so I am quite familiar with it ... again.

You do know, don't you that the "good times" with Reagan was only between 1982 and 1986; from that point on, it was all down hill until the recession at the beginning of Bush 41s term until it took off again under Clinton. BTW, 1984 was when economic growth leveled off for everybody but the rich.

Tell me Ken, why was median income for the bottom 60% of income earners growing until around 1980, straight-lined until the early 1990s, and declined beginning in 2001 if the Reagan revolution was so good for "everybody"?

Why is it ONLY the top 20% of income earners grew at about the same rate as the other quintiles until the early 1980s when it took off until 2001, where it flat-lined as well?


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My Esoteric 7 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Bravo, Shyron.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

Randy, nicely obfuscated, as I've come to expect from Liberals. Take a moment from your busy schedule hating on Bushes and actually read what I wrote. It's edumactional.


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Randy Godwin 7 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

Great answer, Nico! :P


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Ken Burgess 7 weeks ago from Florida

@my esoteric

And I am sorry you are fixed on Party politics, I am fully aware that neither Party serves our best interests, and they have not since 90s. When the focus clearly became more on the global and corporate, than on the national, more on profits and power, less on being safe from the 'Soviet' opposition.

Lets say what you are espousing about the downturn is correct in the late 80s... its a point I am willing to concede to move on to the bigger picture.

What has happened since?

What has the effect of the Clintons allowing deregulation been? Wasn't that what swept in the new global economic collapse in 2007?

How come after almost 8 years of the Democrats holding the White House, and the first two years of total domination at the House and Senate, that gifted us Obamacare and little else... hasn't some sweeping economic boom (especially considering they more than doubled the national debt) come about?

Whatever the flaws and failures of Reagan, the country went in a vastly different direction economically and self-perception wise under his leadership... if it flatlined in 88 like you say... it still improved for years, did it not?

I am not defending the GOP... they are as at fault for our current situation as the Democrats. Who is more guilty of what seems immaterial at this point, the 20 Trillion in debt, the fleeing jobs, the wave of immigration (millions of people dependent on the social supports), seems a substantial opportunity for economic hardships ahead.

I don't like living in a world where we expect terrorist attacks to occur in our country regularly.

I don't like having a leader for our country that prioritizes what is best for the world, or best for other nations, over what is best for America and Americans.

I don't like the direction I see our economy going, or for that matter, the direction the government is going.

I do know Hillary means more of the same corruption that is inherent in Washington now... she is nothing, if not the embodiment of all that Washington politics are about.

I don't know what Trump will do, he is the only alternative we have. Silly little statements like 'he will have his finger on the nuclear trigger' are for more simple minded souls than I... the man has children and grand children, he has had a lifetime of success... he is not some mentally deranged recluse that has never fathered a child or tasted success until politics... he is the anti-Stalin, the anti-Hitler, he is as far away from the type of psychological make up those men had as you can possibly get.

The media tries to paint him otherwise, and I do agree, they have attacked Clinton to... so I guess its a matter of what you believe is a real charge or not... are tens of thousands of potential security sensitive emails in a non-secure server a high risk? I think that is at least a real story, not some sad little article trying to convince me that Trump has many similar characteristics to Hitler and who also may be a KKK member... there is a difference between the two types of attacks.


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Randy Godwin 7 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

But Ken, only today 50 high level Republicans signed an open letter stating Trump was a danger to the office of the president. Not only high level conservatives but many have experience in foreign affairs and security issues. I'll listen to them rather your viewpoint of Trump thank you.


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nicomp 7 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

Why do so many of you actually believe a US President controls the US economy? It tickles me when someone writes "Clinton fixed Reagan's mess."

We deserve the leadership we elect, if we are indeed this foolish.

In the dark of night, while the liberal media sleeps, our President creeps stealthily into the Situation Room where he pulls levers and pushes buttons to prime the economy for the upcoming day, I guess.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

I assume you mean financial deregulation, Ken, which began in the Carter administration (he was somewhat fiscally conservative) and accelerated during Reagan. You do make a great point in saying Bill Clinton bears some responsibility for not vetoing the G-L-B bill that did away with Glass-Steagel; that was not worth whatever concessions he got from Gingrich in return. Could the GOP have overcome the veto? Probably not.

The bulk of the financial deregulation came in the Bush administration, but Glass-Steagel was key. Also key was Alan Greenspan, the Fed Chairman; he had plenty of chances to mitigate what was happening, but the economy was going according to how conservative economic theory says it ought to, so he did nothing until it was too late.

As to today's economy I make three points: 1) average growth for an American economy since WW II is about 2.7%; currently the economy is growing at about 2.2%, which is not too far off normal, 2) Obama proposed a multitude of programs that would have increased growth, but the GOP, who publicly promised to stop PBO in his tracks, successfully defeated the great majority of them; thereby slowing economic growth from what it could have been, and 3) from 2010 on, when the Tea Party took over the GOP, all compromise stopped (compromise is a dirty word to Tea Partyers), which, of course, ground Congress to a halt; since Congress provided no continuity to business, business hunkered down to wait it out, again stymieing growth.


Wild Bill 6 weeks ago

I propose a new way to run for president. We put all candidates in a group and no one can announce their political affiliation. That way, voters would have to then become informed and vote for whom they feel is the best candidate. Secondly, we need to get rid of the electoral college. That would increase voter turnout by twofold.


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Au fait 6 weeks ago from North Texas

@bradmasterOCcal, Shyron knows what year it is, and a lot more. What do you know? Not much.

Shyron is a very creative, talented lady who is also highly skilled in doing research. When she hears ridiculous hyperbole she looks into it and determines if there is any truth in it before she jumps on the idiot bandwagon criticizing or perpetuating it like a programmed parrot!

Shyron won’t stoop to your obtuse depths, but I was a Republican for over 32 years and I still have my hip boots. Lucky thing too, since I live in the reddest of red states and end up slogging through the guano on a daily basis. You’ll also be happy to know I dispense with the politically correct speech you hate so much when it makes more sense to get straight to the point — like I’m doing with you.

You should admire Shyron. Unlike yourself she isn’t a pathological liar, nor does she ignore facts, or make them up for convenience.

One thing a lot of people here don’t seem to understand is that facts matter, and so do sources. Some sources, like Breitbart, Alex Jones, Faux News, and Rush Limbaugh, to name a few, don’t get any respect amongst intelligent, educated people. To use them as your source for any information is like saying your brother-in-law the felon, or your next-door neighbor the drug dealer, told you so, and they’re never wrong. Well, actually a felon or a drug dealer might get a little more respect than the named sources, but not much.

It’s odd, but the less informed, the less educated, and the less intelligent people are, the smarter they imagine themselves to be. One symptom of ignorance is when a person is always certain they have all the right answers. Intelligent people know that no one has all the answers to everything.

I’ve noticed most people here don’t bother about sources. Any lie bears repeating so long as they’re reasonably certain it is a lie.

I’m sure you’re popping at the seams with pride in being one of the top 10 worst informed, most prolific liars on HubPages, but really, it’s not an honor or a compliment to be in that group. You should raise your bar a little.

Not many critical thinkers on HubPages. So many people here who can't be bothered to question outrageous accusations in the first place, because they practically trip over their own tongues in their zeal to repeat the lies they hear as quickly and often as their jaws can flap. They really think people are impressed by how quickly they can repeat and perpetuate a lie over having a reputation of accuracy for what they say. Well, I guess in their circle they may be right.

Shyron and her husband have worked all of their lives and paid into Social Security all of their lives like millions of people in this country. They are entitled to their Social Security benefits just like anyone who pays into any retirement program is entitled to collect when the requirements for doing so are met.

Expect you will collect SS if you have the good fortune to live long enough to do so -- God have mercy on the rest of us if you do . . . You would never have the character to refuse what you have bad mouthed as a handout your entire worthless life. (Note, no politically correct speech.) ;)

You owe Shyron a huge apology for saying such ignorant mean things to her. Shame on you for behaving like a sophomoric brat towards one of the sweetest ladies on this site who did nothing to deserve your ugly criticism.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Damn Au Fait, who knew? :-)


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nicomp 6 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

Au Fait, you owe bradmasterOCcal an apology for confusing him with me.


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nicomp 6 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

It occurs to me that Au Fait's immature hissy fit and personal attack on BOC will go unnoticed by HubPages admins, but if a conservative dumped on a Liberal in that manner...


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Au fait 6 weeks ago from North Texas

A conservative DID dump on a liberal and I gave him an answer far milder than he deserved. Why do you say it was immature? Were the words too big for you? Get a dictionary.

I'm done. I try to waste as little time on your ilk as possible. Go ahead and have a pecking party if that will make you feel better. The last thing I care about is what ignorant people think about me, or anything else. No, it's not even the last thing. It's not on the list at all. All out of fks. :)

Not to worry. You're all alike. No confusion.


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Randy Godwin 6 weeks ago from Southern Georgia

You go, Au fait! Conservatives have already been dumped on by the master Dump himself. LMAO!!


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nicomp 6 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

As a conservative I favor free speech and I also understand that HubPages is privately owned and operated as of this writing. Had Bernie been elected we might have endured a Citizens United-style crackdown on sites such as this, but in the meantime HubGods can censure whomever they please. After 6 years on the site it's obvious they favor Liberal/Progressive thought and they allow left-leaning hubbers to dispense personal attacks with impunity. I've been called everything but a sentient human by several Lefties inhabiting this site.


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Au fait 6 weeks ago from North Texas

The attack of bradmasterOCcal on Shyron was completely uncalled for and without logic. I can assure you I've read even worse attacks he's made on other people, and apparently with impunity, since he is still with us and with no apparent 're-education' by moderators.

As previously stated elsewhere, let me be the first liberal to call you 'sentient.' It has been my experience that conservatives are capable of enormous pain when their own interests are threatened. Compassion for others seems to be the roadblock for conservatives. As a conservative, you may have to look that word up in the dictionary as it's been my experience that most conservatives think it's a Comi-pinko term, since they have no knowledge of it's meaning.


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Ken Burgess 6 weeks ago from Florida

@Randy

"50 high level Republicans signed an open letter stating Trump was a danger to the office of the president. Not only high level conservatives but many have experience in foreign affairs and security issues. I'll listen to them rather your viewpoint of Trump thank you."

Yes Randy... the ESTABLISHMENT is against Trump. That is the surest sign that Trump is truly and outsider... not beholden to the strings that control the politicians in Washington.

Yes, Trump is a threat to all that Washington has accomplished in the past 25 years (note I did not say Democrat or Republican... I said Washington) ... NAFTA, Deregulation, Obamacare... it doesn't matter what party has held control, America keeps marching in the same direction, and the Trillions keep piling up in our National Debt, because the people in control haven't changed... just the Politicians.

Trump threatens all of that... those of us that see beyond party politics realize that is why both Republicans and Democrats dislike Trump, what he represents, and how much of their farce he has revealed.

What is a concern is not Trump to me... but what comes in four years... when the economy takes a turn, or when gas prices triple (or both) and the wave of unrest that supported Bernie and Trump find a new 'champion' to follow.

That if Hillary gets elected it will be only for one term I have no doubt, 12 years of one Party being in control is the max amount we have seen in I don't know how long... half a century at least, the last was Bush following Reagan who had great economic and technological success and relative peace during his 8 years.

I wouldn't call today relative peace... not when we are witness to a terrorist attack every other day, and half the middle-east is at war with us being involved to some degree or another there.

And I wouldn't say we are living through the greatest economic revival in the last quarter century... not when half of the jobs provided these days are one way or another due to the 11 Trillion in debt we have created in just the last 7 years.

So when the downturn comes... and it will come in the next four years... Hillary will be replaced. But by who, or what... is what is so concerning.


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nicomp 6 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

I prefer my government without compassion, thank you. I shudder to think anyone in Washington is qualified to decide such.

The main difference between Liberals and Conservatives: The Left is sufficiently deluded to believe they know what's best for their fellow man and they are pleased to impose it through legislation.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Ken, Donald Trump is a threat to America, period; he would be America's Nero.

Nicomp, your statement tells me you don't have a clue as to what liberalism is all about. A brief version is Liberalism is about letting people do whatever they want, SO LONG AS no harm is done to another.

And that is what government is for ... to ENSURE no harm is done to one person by another, whether it be murder or discrimination; whether it be a State enslaving its people or simple providing piss-poor education; whether it be barbaric working conditions like in the 1800s or paying starvation wages like it is common today.

Conservatives simply don't care about such niceties and prefer the traditional dog-eat-dog, stratified, each person in their place and no better society who doesn't give a damn about the individual, other than themselves.


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Ken Burgess 6 weeks ago from Florida

@Esoteric

No party has remained in control for more than 12 years... not in decades, this will be no exception, whatever crisis, whatever shortfalls, whatever negativity people feel will be heaped upon Clinton....

Again, I could care less about party politics, it means a lot less today than it did 20, 30, years ago... what controls Washington these days aren't the Politicians, but the people filling their pockets with money.

What I am sure of, is that there will be no change in the course this country is on... not with Terrorism, not with Immigration, not with Trade imbalance, not with anything that is of concern to better jobs, better wages, and better futures for Americans under 4 years of Clinton... that you can bet everything on.


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nicomp 6 weeks ago from Ohio, USA

"Nicomp, your statement tells me you don't have a clue as to what liberalism is all about. A brief version is Liberalism is about letting people do whatever they want, SO LONG AS no harm is done to another."

Nice try. That's classical Liberalism, the kind taught at Hillsdale College. Your sad brand of Liberalism is Big Government, centralized control, and socialism.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Which again tells me you don't know what you are talking about in detail. All you can do is give broad-brush bumper stickers like "Big Government"; centralized control, and socialism. It means nothing without some agreed upon definition of the first two and clearly you aren't aware of the actual definition of socialism ... it is nothing like liberalism.

In fact, socialism has the same basic roots as conservatism in that "it is society that rules the individual"; the big difference is in socialism the people (or their agent like government) own the means of production and distribution whereas in conservationism, it is the elites ... meaning not labor, not basic merchants, nor small farmers.

You are obviously thinking of a "welfare" state; well that in and of itself is not socialism. Various forms of welfare exists in conservationism (think taking care of slaves), liberalism, and socialism. Welfare is ubiquitous in ALL societies, it is just a matter of degree.


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bradmasterOCcal 6 weeks ago from Orange County California

ME

American Politics: Donald Trump the American Political Disaster and Disgrace

It is more accurate to say

American Politics: Hillary Clinton the American Political Disaster and Disgrace

It was Clinton that made a failure in the government, she was in politics, and either made bad decisions or none at all. Trump didn't even get up to bat and you are saying he is a political disaster.

Remember that the professional politicians started the decline of the US since the 1970s, and they hit bottom in 2008. And that is a fact. It doesn't matter which party did, they work against each other in turns to accomplish this feat.

They also left the US homeland unprotected by failing to have a defense on 911. All the government agencies FAILED, how is that not a FACT.

For the last 8 years we have been skimming along the bottom. We are poised for another meltdown only this time we a $17 billion dollars in debt, and there is little protection to bail us out this time.

The political disaster in the US is the two political parties, and their loyal sheepish party voters.

We have had over 50 years to develop our infrastructure and we have even made a real attempt.

We don't even have a space program, we have to bum a ride on a Soviet Rocket to get to the space station. The space program is now shifting to the private sector.

Look at the US today and you can't blame this disaster on Donald Trump, but you can blame some of it on Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, as well as both Bush presidents, and Bill Clinton.

They were allowed to create this disaster through the loyalty of the party members.

Apparently you don't call the DNC Bernie Sanders issue a disgrace. Or the Benghazi deaths, or the failure to guard our national security.

The list goes on, but you want to focus on Donald Trump.

We have a government leaning SCOTUS, who made one bad decision after another. I doubt that you could provide a meaningful SCOTUS decision. It certainly wasn't Roe v Wade, or Obamacare. Their most worthless decisions are the 5-4 decisions. This was a failure of the founders to leave the SCOTUS creation and development up to congress.

We have one congress, and when they fail, it doesn't matter who in congress made the mistake, the end result is we still failed. And that is the reason why the current party system is a failure.

They can never get a win for congress, because their goal are totally opposite.

These are just some of the political disgraces.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Actually Ken, you need to go back and read your history.

- The Democratic-Republicans held the presidency from 1801 (Thomas Jefferson) through 1841 (Martin Van Buren, although the Republican part of the title had been dropped, it was still the same party).

- The progressive Republicans held the presidency from 1869 (Ulysses S. Grant) through 1885 (Chester A. Arthur)

- The progressive Republicans held the presidency from 1897 (William McKinley) through 1913 (William H. Taft)

And with the kind of fire-walled conservative philosophy the Republicans today represent, there is no doubt in my mind that Democrats (barring some catastrophe) will maintain the presidency until such time as the GOP moves back to the Left.

You are right though, until one Party or the other gains unchallenged control of Congress (or the GOP moves back to where they were in 1975) then nothing will happen on immigration, but that is it. Terrorism is one thing even given polarization of the Parties, that will be, and to some extent, has been addressed.

As to the Trade Balance, it spiked at the end of Bush in 2008, decreased to a low in 2012 (but still higher than 2007), went back up a bit until Dec 2013 and has been on a small downward drift since then. In any case, the size of the trade deficit is an extremely small portion of national income as to be a none player.

After the crushing conservative recession, wages are finally increasing

After the crushing conservative recession, unemployment has been below 2008 levels for a while now.

I simply don't see where you are getting your figures for such a dire view of America.


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My Esoteric 6 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Sorry Brad, I don't view the world in such a negative, pessimistic, dark way as you do. As I have many times before, I dispute many of what you think are facts, but in reality are just your opinion. It is true, that in your political world, there is no difference between parties; but reality is much different.

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