Afghanistan is a War that Can Not be Won?

Winning the War?

Can you win if you don’t know what it means to win? Can you win if you don’t know what is being won? What is the “prize”?

At some point the United States Government has got to wake up and realize that you can not enforce belief systems with Military Force. What do we have to gain in Afghanistan by continuing to bully a people who do not believe like we do?

“Win” or “Lose” when American and Allied forces finally pull out of Afghanistan the beliefs of the people will not have changed. The World will never be a single democracy based on profit seeking. Our own model is failing yet we keep trying to cram it down everyone else’s throat.

Many in the World Abhor the American consumption model and would not choose to life the way we live even it they could. Our way of living is counter to their belief systems. And yes there are those that would prefer to live like we do, but shouldn’t they stand up and fight for their own cause?

Is the “answer” to keep sending troops? How many will be enough? Allied forces already out number known Taliban by a ratio of 12:1! How many more soldiers will it take to “win”, and what does the “winner” get for their efforts?

Taliban can at any time just slip on civilian clothes (Oops they already wear civilian clothes) and just blend into the background. Then what do you do wait? Wait for what, for them to pick up a rifle and identify themselves?

American support for this “war” is weaning as more and more Americans are wondering what it’s all about. Eight years in the making and with no end in sight? Do we as Americans support more troops, and what do they do? Does this turn into another blow it all up then build it all back again proposition?

Does anybody really know what is going on in Afghanistan besides trying to secure a government friendly to the United States Agenda of furthering oil development?

Can This War in Afghanistan be Won?

The Taliban in northern Afghanistan are sheltering among and recruiting from large communities of Pashtuns — descendants of settlers transplanted from the south in the early 20th century — fueling tensions with the Uzbeks and Tajiks who dominate the region.

At the same time, though, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Chechens and Arabs linked to al Qaida have moved into northern Afghanistan with the Taliban , seeking to carry their jihad to the former Soviet republics of Central Asia and alarming Russia , which is grappling with Islamic insurgencies in the republics of Chechnya and Dagestan.

As the Taliban have extended their reach, they've also grown more formidable militarily by developing bigger and more effective improvised explosive devices. Insurgents have mounted 7,228 IED attacks so far this year, compared with 81 in 2003, and, as McClatchy reported last month, the homemade bombs have even destroyed some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, the most heavily armored U.S. troop transports.

If you can not “see” the enemy how can you fight them? There is no question the United States and it’s allies could use Air Supremacy to blow everything up, but that’s not how this war is fought. This is a ground war that is fought with real American Lives and to what end?

I hope I’m wrong, I hope the $4 Billion a month in Afghanistan is being well spent. If we have learned anything in the past week it’s that the “enemy” is very difficult to spot. Are they in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria? And what do they look like?

Somebody needs to figure out what this war is about. A war on “terrorists”, a war on Islam (Which will not be won), a war on? What are we fighting – ideology?

In my opinion, and I could be wrong… the United States needs to prioritize it’s war effort based on protecting our boarders and not trying to be the police force of humanity. There are many wrongs in our world; many corruptions, people suffering… but the 300,000 million Americans on our Planet can not enforce every matter of right and wrong for the 6,000,000 inhabitants.

The United States is not going to win a war of morality. When you stick your head into other peoples business you can really turn the tide against yourself.

I read a lot about this war in Afghanistan. I’ve read about the history when the United States supplied weapons to fight the Soviets, then turned and walked away. It’s not hard to see why so many in the World hate America… but do they hate Americans?

Does Anybody have the Answers?

Are we paying to kill our soldiers?

Virtually every major project includes a healthy cut for the insurgents. Call it protection money, call it extortion, or, as the Taliban themselves prefer to term it, “spoils of war,” the fact remains that international donors, primarily the United States, are to a large extent financing their own enemy.

You can read more about who is funding the enemy here: Reuters Blog – Who is Funding the Afghan Taliban.

Humans are paradoxically the most intelligent and stupid creatures on the planet. Can you imagine how much better life would be if we didn’t have to spend $800 Billion a year on “War”. Imagine putting that money into public works, solar energy farms, health care, infrastructure, public transportation.

Somebody set me straight on why this war in Afghanistan is in the interest of the American People and worth the cost.

While not “Real” in the sense that it actually happened, I can recommend that anyone who wants to get a “feel” for this war and the war in IRAQ, watch the movie “Hurt Locker”

I believe we MUST support our Troops as long as they are on the Frontlines, but we do not have to support the ideology behind the system without an accurate accounting for what is really going on. Bring our troops home and prioritize what Americans need. I am very happy to reap the Benefits of soldiers who bravely gave their lives in support of America. I understand the role of the Military in providing freedoms. But I do not understand putting lives of American Soldiers at risk for a War that has not been adequately described or justified to the American People.

Are the American People being served the Truth?

What will be Achived in Afghanistan?

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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

Sir - I have explained a fair bit of this in several hubs you can start with this one, please read through the comments as well. http://hubpages.com/politics/Independent-voter-vie...

You have some valid questions and concerns but Oil in Afghanistan is not an issue as there is none. The only exportable crop is opium and it just might be well worth it to stop or curtail that as well. Since it is a huge funding source for terrorism world wide. I would suspect my views are falling on a set mind so I'll let it go at that but I would encourage you to check it out.


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MikeNV 6 years ago from Henderson, NV Author

Your right it's not OIL per se... it's natural gas. Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is not yet in place.

Since the US-led offensive that ousted the Taliban from power,’ reported Forbes in 2005, "the project has been revived and drawn strong US support" as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets "without relying on Russian routes".

Energy is a big issue. And Natural Gas is just as valuable as oil as more is discovered. Exxon just invested 38 Billion to purchase a Natural Gas company. So I should have referred to it as Petro based energy I suppose.


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

Yep but what you failed to mention is that we have no need for it as we have enough natural gas to supply us for the next hundred years or so. The company Exxon bought is all domestic as well. If that were the singular issue I would suspect the NATO countries that would be the purchasers would be more motivated.

Plus, I would point out that after the example of 150 dollar a barrel oil last year many more folks may well think Oil / Petro products are worth fighting for. Since the Western Economies are based on Petro Energy.

I have no fear in saying that Oil is worth fighting for, and Months or years of 100 dollar oil will certainly convince many others that it is too.


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MikeNV 6 years ago from Henderson, NV Author

It's not about need. It's about control and money. Needs do not ever play into the Bankers Game. No matter how much they have they want more.

The Federal Reserve is not owned by the United States Government there are plenty of Foreign owners who want returns on their investment and they call the shots. The United States Government is bought and sold.

There is plenty of oil in Venezuela and the United States is working on getting rid of Chavez so they can take it.

Are you suggesting that Oil is worth dying for? Can you explain that to the families of loved ones killed in combat? "Yes sir, he died for oil." God Bless America.

Oil continues to exist because of easy profits. There are plenty of alternatives that are not being leveraged.

Freedom is the only thing worth fighting for. Don't give up your 2nd Amendment Rights.


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Hmrjmr1 6 years ago from Georgia, USA

I never mentioned 2nd amendment rights and again comes the banker conspiracy diatribe, The fact is if we had wanted the oil in Iraq we could have taken it both in the gulf war and this one. Not one American Oil Company has benefited from the Iraqi Oil Fields at this point.

And as I stated earlier our Economics play strongly in to our way of life.

I can say all I have and mean it as I not only served for 22 years and in two wars, but left a comfortable job to serve along side our troops in Iraq for 4 years and 8 months.

If you had witnessed many of Sadam's atrocities on his people immediately following the Gulf War you may have a clearer understanding of fact that this is a continuation of the fight of fascism and nazism reborn and cloaked in Islam. This is not a religious war it is a war of the prevention and ending that political philosophy picked up and embraced by the Arabs in World War II. That is Al Qeada, that was Sadam, That is what is trying to take root in Pakistan, and Yemen, and what is in Iran. It is political evil here on the planet.

And yes Chavez is a liter form of it.


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someonewhoknows 6 years ago from south and west of canada,north of ohio

Hmrjmr1 ,I'm sure youve heard the saying two wrongs don't make a right! You,seem to think that we went into Iraq to free the people from Saddam.Nothing could be further from the truth.Although Saddam was a cruel leader and deserved what he got,we didn't have to use that as an excuse to Invade another counry.If ,that was the case we would have and should have Invaded Somalia,or the Sudan ,but we didn't .Why? Halliburton wanted to get government contracts to rebuild what we destroyed in Iraq.The military industrial complex is out of control.It has been for at least fifty years.Former president Dwight D.Eisenhower knew that all too well,and so did all the presidents since then.

Here's another one for you

"power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

another

"look in a mirror and you might just find your own worst enemy"


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ethel smith 6 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

Well I do not know the answer but I too do not think this war can be won.


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sannyasinman 6 years ago

Yes, it's not about need, its about greed, and the limitless greed of the bankers which will never be satisfied. They want EVERYTHING. The war is not about anything other than the profits that the bankers make from it. Neither they nor Obama have any interest in ending the war, which is as you say, a war that cannot be won. So its is a perfect war to be engaged in. A war with no identifiable enemy can go on forever and the bankers will rub their hands with glee for many years to come.


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MikeNV 6 years ago from Henderson, NV Author

Oil companies will benefit. This is a long term agenda. It's not conspiracy. It's the unfolding of a "New World Order"... and it's being meticulously implemented and kept from the mainstream media.

You need to look at the "big picture" and educate yourself. The United States is run by Bankers... and they do NOT all reside in the United States.

If you want a simple example of the "New World Order" in action all you have to do is look at the United States Government handing over US Property to be managed by the United Nations. This is NOT the will of the People this is the WILL of the Bankers. And your comments are a perfect example of how the Deception is duping Americans into believing their Agenda is what the people want.

Do yourself a favor and look who is running Yellowstone National Park, who is running the Smokey Mountains National Park. Look up the United Nations Biodiversity Treaty. Seach for An International Biosphere Reserve.

Americans are a sleep at the wheel and those who are not are having difficulty rising up over the invisible government.

It's not conspiracy, it's coverup.


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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

Mike

Great hub and topic.

My opinion is that our government is responsible for taking defeat out of the jaws of victory. I agree with your premise on not winning if you don't know what success means in a war. You can't determine when it is done.

The US has not changed its military plan regarding war and how to protect the country. They didn't do well since WWI through Vietnam which were wars against countries.

They haven't done anything successful from Desert Storm till now. Even desert storm wasn't really about a country, Iraq, it was about a new threat to the world, terrorism. Desert Storm was the point where terrorism split from a physical country to terrorist organizations.

Because Iraq survived Desert Storm, Saddam became focused providing terrorists as partners to his goal. When we got rid of Saddam, we unleashed the terrorists. While we focused on Iraq, we let Afghanistan breed more terrorists.

My point is that our government has not changed tactics to go from countries to terrorists. These terrorists infest countries but they are not t country.

You can't blanket bomb Iraq or Afghanistan to take out the terrorists, just like you have to fight cancer by focusing on the cancerous cells, while protecting the rest of the body.

We haven't developed a method to do that, and until that happens we are not going to be successful.

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