America Has More Oil Than Saudi Arabia

We Need To Start Drlling NOW!

 

The United States has plenty of oil within US borders. We don't have to rely on foreign oil anymore! It is just a matter of drilling and getting the oil out. The oil is there! Remember the song...."America, America God shed his grace on thee"? It is true! God provided this country with more than enough oil for generations to come.

Did you know...

  • There is a massive 200 billion barrel oil field located in North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana. And it even gets better! Because of new horizontal drilling technology, it is estimated that this huge field may even produce up to 500 billion barrels of oil! The Saudi's are estimated to have only 260 billion barrels of oil, clearly putting America in the cat bird seat! http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html

  • But the good news does not stop there! Alaska is just waiting to drill for oil. In fact the governor of Alaska is suing the government for failing to drill for oil. Alaskan oil fields are massive. At Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, there is enough oil and natural gas to keep America going for the next 200 years! Yes, for the next 200 years! http://www.pushhamburger.com/hidden.htm

  • Oil shale is abundant in the US. In fact, half of all the earth's oil shale deposits are located within 150 miles of Grand Junction, Colorado! Shell Oil is working on new technology which will make oil shale extraction financially feasible. They plan to open a shale oil plant in 2010. It will provide a piece of the puzzle toward energy independence for the United States. http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/publications/Pubs-NPR/40010-373.pdf

  • Then of course, just about everyone knows that the United States is the Saudi Arabia of coal. With 275 billon tons of coal! We have more coal than just about any other place in the world. Enough coal for American needs for the next 250 years! Once again, new technology is underway to make coal burning safe for our environment. http://www.teachcoal.org/aboutcoal/articles/faqs.html#howmuch

So there we have it! It is time for the US to get serious about energy independence and drill for oil. The environmentalists should move to China and India where pollution is really is out of control. With the new technology used in the oil fields of today, the impact on the environment is there but it is controlled. With environmental controls oil fields can be environmentally safe.

When it comes to the environment we need to understand that as long as there are billions of people living on this planet, there will to be a negative impact on the environment. That is just the way it is unless billions of people die, and even then environmentalists would complain about rotting corpses creating a problem for the environment. There is simply no way around problems with the environment when you have billons of people to contend with. The human race needs to protect this planet, yet we have to live too. Living without energy is not an option. Until we have plentiful, green energy we will have to rely on the oil based solutions of old. It will take time to convert to green energy and that quest is just as important as drilling for oil is now. We can't let the ball drop in either arena.

Obviously we should have been exploring our oil supplies 10 years ago. Now it will take at least 2 years before oil and then gas will come back down to a livable price for most Americans. 80% of all Americans claim climbing gas prices are affecting their lives in a very negative way.

And is it no wonder! Food prices go up every time a barrel of oil reaches a new high. Add to all of this are the flood woes of the Midwest which will mean even higher food prices yet to come. This winter will be especially tough for most people as they struggle to heat their homes with the highest projected heating costs of all time, and if that is not enough, they will be hit with unaffordable food prices, making it harder than ever to put food on the table for the family. This is not the America I know, or want to know.

Whoever wants to be the next president can easily get elected if they take the bull by the horns, and start drilling! We need to open the US oil fields in Alaska, Montana, and North and South Dakota as soon as possible. And, once we have that oil flowing all across America, we can tell the Middle East what to do with their oil. For too long we danced to their tune. It was degrading to both President Bush and Americans across the country when he went begging to the Saudi's, hat in hand, pleading for increased oil production, which the Saudi's denied. No American president should ever have to go through that again, especially when we have billions of barrels of oil right in our own back yard.

The next few years will be a time of financial hardship, but once American oil becomes available, it will not take long for the economy to turn around. This time of austerity is beneficial in a way, because it forces us to seek new and better ways to do things. And, new and better ways of doing things.....well that is a lot of what this country is all about! In the face of adversity, we will prevail and prosper in the end! We can do it! God Bless America!

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kartika damon 7 years ago from Fairfield, Iowa

I have to say I prefer we really explore alternative energy and get off the oil teat!


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magnoliazz 7 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Yes, Kartika Damon...I agree with you there. I think solar and wind are the way to go, however, it is always nice to know that we would have some huge oil fields in reserve. Just knowing they are there, even if we never use them, its kind of like having insurance. That way, no matter what we will have all our bases covered.

I also believe in conservation. We consume way too much of everything!


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Don Simkovich 6 years ago from Pasadena, CA

Good article. Why not drill and have plenty of oil reserves as alternative energy sources are put into play. We'll always have a need for oil -- so why should the U.S. be heavily reliant on foreign sources. After all, more drilling could also create more . . . jobs!


dreamreachout 6 years ago

The world knows that America has more oil than any other nation and as of now there is no alternative to petroleum!! We hope you share your petroleum with your friends when Middle-East and elsewhere are thru with their oil!!

Solar, Wind and other alternative sources of energy are still in a state of infancy and not yet in position to sustain the World!! Hope we develop on that soon!! Bio Diesel is an alternative already in experimentation in India!! Its being experimented commercially here!!

I differ with Don in stating that you cant and shouldn't be giving up on your natural resource just to create more jobs!! Its also injustice to future generations!!

Wonderful hub!!


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thanks for the comment Dreamreachout!

India has many intelligent people, I would not be at all surprised if one of them will come up with the solution for cheap fuel in the future.

The USA also has more coal than any other country!

Here in the midwest, we grow corn for ethanol, but we are trying to have that stopped. American famers feed the rest of the world. If a food crop goes for fuel, sure we would have enough left to eat, but what about everyone else? The ethanol plants around here are closing down, because they use up a lot of our water too.

Right now, all across America, people are working on finding a better fuel than oil.

We are looking at solar and wind, but we are also wondering if we can harness lightening.

Every thirty years, American re-invents herself, with every new generation, we get better. We will come up with something, I am sure of that. We are even developing warfare so that all our tanks, soldiers will appear invisiable! We already can do that with planes. Most of the best things come out of the defense department and we look at the need for oil as a national security issue.

As for the middle east, let's not forget that we paid BILLIONS of dollars for that oil. So how come those poor people in Iraq are living in such poverty? Our guys come back from over there and they simply cannot believe how these people have to live, in MUD HUTS! There is nothing decent to eat and no water. And,,,the heat! What a God forsaken place. I do feel bad for those people, but all they want to do is fight and start war with Iran. I say, Let Them!

As for sharing oil with the rest of the world....that will never happen. We will share technology, but oil is the same as blood in America, its the real reason we are in the middle east right now where we don't belong.

There are no easy answers, but America has more wealth than all the world combined OVER THE AGES!

Believe me, we will find an answer to cheap energy!


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Wanderlust 6 years ago from New York City

You forgot of cost of drilling and exploration. In Iraq, for example, it is $4 per barrel, in West Siberia $14 per barrel, in Canada and the USA more than $30 (slightly cheaper off-shore). Therefore, for a long time it was simply not profitable to drill in the USA. Now when price of oil is around $80, to drill here makes more sense, particularly off-shore. And I agree 'Drill baby, drill!'


dreamreachout 6 years ago

Its very true .. your entire comment but leaving politics aside I think America's best ally can be India covering all heads!! I admire your nationilistic mindframe when everyone is an individual in today's world!!

To summarize, great countries will thrive come what may!!


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you Wanderlust for pointing that out! You are right, we never drilled for oil off shore America because of the cost, now $30 a gallon is looking real good. And of course, there is Alaska, wee bought Alaska from Russia for all the natural resources...oil being one of them.

In the short term, we nedd to drill, however in the long term, we need to find an aboundant source of cheap energy.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello Again Dreamreachout!

I truly believe that America has its immigrants from all over the world to thank for its succes, but especially the people from India. Many Indians are the best doctors in the USA. A very intelligent people.


dreamreachout 6 years ago

Thanks so much for the comment!! It is by our intelligence that we drove out the british without a war!! The stumble block is that inspite of our vibrant democracy, our politicians are so corrupt that it negates all further development!! They are more interested in their own assets and well being!!

What will take India thru is its intelligent mind and very hard nationalism!!

My comment doesn't mean that everything is very bleak in India, but only that it could have been much better!!


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doodlebugs 6 years ago from Southwest

Great article. I agree that we need to eventually use renewable energy but we still need oil and every drop that does not come from a conflict plagued region benefits world security. Check out the Eagle Ford shale, another incredible oil discovery: http://www.eaglefordshaleblog.com


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello Doodlebugs

Thanks for the comment, and yes I will check out your link.


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jman00001 6 years ago from Texas

Interesting points. Strange I have not heard about the North & South Dakota "200 billion barrel find and the article in your hub is 2 years old? I heard that deepwater plays offshore are where the bulk of USA's oil and gas reserves are...

I have also heard that most of the push or passion around alternative energy is a scam by liberals to help their friends make money of taxpayers and the public. Many solar, wind, ethanol and other alt energy firms went bankrupt the last few years. While the technology needs to be progressed it may be another 100 years before one of them makes a real contribution to the global energy need... "Oil and gas remain the primary energy sources—supplying 87% of U.S. energy demand 40 years ago and supplying…87% today."


saskboy 6 years ago

More oil, but also more Sarah Palin than any other country.


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Petra Vlah 6 years ago from Los Angeles

With all the oil America has we should not have to pay the prices imposed by OPEC and sure as hell we should not go to war over oil.


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Harvey Stelman 6 years ago from Illinois

Mag, This is actually old news, the media does not want us to now this. The same goes for enviornmentalists. The proper term for not drilling in a certain area is, NIMBY. Not In My Back Yard. The Democratic Party is against this because those "GREEN" people would not vote for them otherwise.

It all comes down to politics.


American Tiger 6 years ago

Petra, I am by no means being mean to you here. You've stumbled into a populist emotional word picture, and I want to speak to that point.

War for Oil is a bit of a straw-man. We may as well replace the word "oil' with "affordable food, health-care, education, heat in the Winter and AC in the Summer, loved and wanted children, freedom to travel and freedom from censorship, as well as the pursuit of happiness, joy, longevity and environmental protection." Oil is all of those things and more. Add to those perfectly acceptable reasons; the end of tyrannical despot with billions of petro-dollars in his pockets. Suddenly, I can see a few valid reasons to go kick some... what did the President call it... Butt?

Magz wrote a heartfelt, fact-filled Hub here. I love her moral certitude and intestinal fortitude. God Bless her for speaking the truth. Jman00001 makes a few salient points as well, for which she also gets my gratitude.

Strong, gorgeous women seem to be the future of the Conservative political landscape, and I could NOT be happier!


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you jman00001, Petra, Harvey, and Byron for your wonderful and intelligent comments. I should have replied back sooner, summer is such a busy time.

Hello American Tiger! I love that name! Thank you for your nice comment!

Yes, of course you are right, without oil our lives would be very different. Just the medical field alone would slide back a 100 years without plastics! Oil is America's lifeblood.

What we need is more American, (can do), Tigers! This country reinvents itself every 20 years with every new generation. I have a lot of faith in the men of this country, just look at what they have done so far! For instance, just look at that oil rig in the gulf, if they can build something like that, they can do anything. If there is oil somewhere in America they will find it and develop it and if not, they will go and fight for it.

Americans do not realize that even the poorest live better than the kings and queens of old. We have the very best of everything here, the world has never seen a country like AMERICA before! Sure, we get knocked down now and then, but we always come back, stronger than ever! That's the American way. We can do it!


American Tiger 6 years ago

Wow... Gracious, Gorgeous, Conservative, Intelligent, with a fondness for Tigers... Further proof that God loves Tigers, and wants us happy.

Now, about all this "we'll run out of oil eventually so we need to look for alternatives" hooey: In his landmark book "Deep Hot Biosphere" Dr. Thomas Gold (the guy who gave us Radar, and umpteen other life-critical inventions) completely trashes the "Fossil Fuel" myth.

The fossil fuel assumption was made in the 1880s, and serves the liberal ~we're gonna run out!~ agenda so well that despite no scientific proof of the process, it's still promulgated as "how hydrocarbons came to be."

Without going into detail, let me just sum it up this way; Hydrocarbons, which we find as coal, oil, natural gas, and a small number of other substances, are continually being created at the Mantle, and are a natural by-product of the formation of the earth. They have a lighter specific gravity than the strata of the Crust, and rise as far as they can, forming large subterranean deposits.

Dr. Gold proved that if you drill deep enough, anywhere on earth, you'll eventually strike oil. He talked the government of Sweden into drilling in a spot ALL the geologists swore would be the last place to ever find oil, and they now have a working oil well.

We will run out of oil around the same time we run out of seawater and sunlight. Endlessly searching for "renewable alternatives" is busy-work that siphons off manpower and money.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Wow, I will sleep better tonight knowing this, it makes sense too. The government should look into this instead of promoting all these alternatives that never seem to work out as they should.

Thank you so much for this information, I am going to go online and order "Deep, Hot Biosphere" ( sounds a little naughty) and research this!

Bring back the SUVs!


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vrajavala 6 years ago from Port St. Lucie

I don't know if you are aware of it, but in the 60's, henry Kissinger had the Muslim oil producing countries sign an agreement with the US. These are the conditions:

1. Gull Island and other Alaska resources would be classified and not developed

2. All oil producing signatories would sell oil in US currency

3. All US debt would be bought by these Muslim signatories.

Only Iraq and Iran would not sign.

1. Iraq (Saddam Hussein) 2nd largest oil field

2. Iran 3rd largest oil field

Read "the energy non-crisis" by Rev.lindsey williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk


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MikeNV 6 years ago from Henderson, NV

Alternative Energy is a Politically Correct term. It means nothing.

There is plenty of oil. And until every last drop of it is pumped dry and every last penny is milked from it "Alternative Energy" will remain the tool to manipulate the mindset of the masses into doing whatever the controlling powers want.

The number one user of Energy Worldwide is the United States Military. They are also the number 1 polluter worldwide.

And this is NEVER mentioned.

So go drive your egg mobile while another AirForce Jet jettisons 10,000 gallons of fuel directly into the ocean before it lands on the aircraft carrier.

WE are not out of energy, or even running low, we as a race are simply not managing the resources we have in any ethical useful sensible fashion.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you for your comments. Yes, I believe what you are saying is true. And, I think oil is renewable also. We are being duped, pure and simple.

And, what about the trillions of yards of natual gas within US borders? That should be our alternative energy.


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Alfursan 6 years ago from London UK

Having lived in Saudi Arabia I get a feeling the Arabs are not taking good care to conserve this source of energy (oil). Coupled with the import of gas guzzling limos the problem of oil-less days for Arabs are not too far away. Is the US unwittingly contributing to this. After all the US and the world do get cheap oil from the Middle East so why not tell the myopic Arabs the usefulness of thriftiness.


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tonynosense 6 years ago from Japan (for now)

My gosh! You really need to check your facts!

The Bakken Formation only has about 4 billion barrels. You fell for an internet myth. Think about it. If there were really trillions of dollars worth of oil down there, credible news services would certainly jump on the story!!!

The problem with the shale deposits is that it requires more energy to extract the oil than can be got out of it.

Prudhoe Bay is declining. ANWAR is estimated to only have about 10 billion barrels of recoverable (and lower grade) oil.

Much of the oil off the continental shelves will not be economically recoverable.

You have to remember than the US uses 7.5 billion barrels a year. At that rate, even a 100 billion barrels, assuming it all could be recovered and not taking the energy required to cover it into account, is not a long-term solution!

This is no magic bullet or conspiracy here. US oil production peaked in 1970 and nobody has been able to reverse the trend every since.


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magnoliazz 6 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hi There tonynosense-

You are free to check out my story at USGS. The oil is there,it is just not all that easy to get at. And, do you watch 60 minutes? Their story about all this unknown oil in America is what sparked this hub.

BTW, we also have trillions of cubits of natural gas. In fact we have more natural gas in America than anywhere else in the world.

Just remember, always follow the money, of course they are going to tell us that there is no more oil.


Ghost32 5 years ago

Magnoliazz, you're on target. I've written a couple of hubs related to the Bakken formation AND driven big rig water tankers in the gasfields of western Colorado. Now, good news / bad news.

Bad news: The Obama administration has sent feelers out, trying to figure out how to shut down drilling in NORTH DAKOTA and still get away with it politically.

Good news:

1. So far, he obviously hasn't found a way to do that--and with the Tea Party powering the Republicans back to life, he probably (or at least hopefully) WON'T, eiher.

2. The shale oil extraction technology is up and running now.

3. Drilling in the Bakken in western North Dakota brought a boom that saw 40 rigs working in the state in 2006...and 166 rigs drilling there as of yesterday. (The state of ND has a "drilling rig activity" page accessible to the public on the Intenet; I check its numbers every couple of days.)

4. My most detailed knowledge of North Dakota drilling activity pertains to Dunn County. During my time in the eastern Montana oilpatch, back in 1981-82, we saw a lot of wells that produced 50 barrels of crude per day (or thereabouts). But in parts of Dunn County, North Dakota, wells are coming in that are producing anywhere between 800 and 2200 barrels per day.

4. They're hitting very few dry holes. There's a state page (same govt. website) that shows this information as well. I haven't actually counted, but it looks like 98% of the holes drilled are coming up with marketable amounts of oil.

And yes, as you say, of course they are going to tell us there is no more oil. They're also not going to report on the ongoing Bakken boom unltil they are literally forced to do so.

Voted Up, Useful, and Awesome.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Ghost 32...Thank you so much for your informative comment!

I am happy for ND, I know they need the jobs and money this project will bring, and it just makes me so happy to hear that America may be able to get off Saudi oil for good. All that oil money will be staying right here in this country!

As for Obama, I think he can kiss his second term good-bye for good. I'm voting Republican next time around, I have been through with Obama since that assified health care bill, what a joke!


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sir slave 5 years ago from Trinity county CA.

i'd prfer them extracting natural Gas(if they can keep it out of the aquafers) the oil that your talking about isn't anywhere near the surface. we need alternatives because we are going to run out of cheap oil at other countries expense some day. it is the cost of drilling that determines how the profits work out and if its worth it to begin with. All the oil you speak of would run the country for awhile, but its a finite resource, and the risks of drilling offshore(esp in deep water as we saw) are too great. In the interim NG would be safer.


larry 5 years ago

You're right.... We have 132 oil suppliers, and Saudi Arabia provides only 10% of the Nations oil. If the other suppliers moderately increase their exports to the U.S. Saudi becomes expendable when it comes to oil.

We can do this without touching America's reserves.

What we really need is to increase Americas refining capacity, that is what is proping up oil prices.


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

All the hopes, positive sentiments, well-wishing, warm kudos, and frisky kitten love will not change the status quo, anymore than changing the color of your hair will make your face and spirit any less beautiful.

Sure, there is plenty of oil, but very little is ever put on the market at once. Take diamonds, for instance: There are billions of diamonds within the earth, but to keep prices high and to make huge profits, DeBeers and a handful of other diamond cartels control how many diamonds see the light of day. It's all about making obscene profits.

Where I live, we have plenty of windfarms. This year the windfarm companies are having a crisis - their farms made too much electricity and the price they want to sell their electricity at to ensure maximum PROFITS is just too low right now, so they are going to sit on all that "juice" and wait until the prices go up. Seems like a wasted opportunity to me.

Now, I know what a blonde bombshell like you may be thinking. Why don't they give the surplus to the people thus lowering their electricl rates, at least for awhile, so all people can rejoice in their prosperity.

But, my precious flower, the end result of capitalism is GREED. The people don't benefit with surpluses because it cuts into the bottom line. It's kind of like price-fixing. Say, for instance, all the cereal companies get together and agree to sell their cereals no cheaper than $1.99 per box. Now, they don't need to worry about the invisible hand of competition. By the way, this scenario really happened...it may be illegal, but companies do it all the time.

I think their philosophy is, "It's only illegal if you get caught". But, even if they do, they will stand to make much more in filthy profits than they have to pay in fines. My point is, oil companies, diamand cartels, drug cartels and a host of other tycoons, are addicted to huge profits and won't play ball unless they get it.

So, let us get back to oil. Now, we all know there is gobs of oil out there, but these multi-billion dollar companies like Exxon and Chevron have no interest in putting more on the market. Just a couple years ago, when gas hit over $4.00 per gallon, Exxon made more profits than they ever did and they were ranked #1 on the Forturne 500 companies list. In fact, things were so good for Exxon, that they made more profits than the next two Fortune 500 companies combined (also oil companies). Their CEO also received a paltry $300 million dollar bonus. Think we're being robbed at the gas pump?

You see, my dove, Corporate America owns the presidency and the senate and congress, etc. It is because of them that our army of warmongers are raping and ravishing the Middle East. Bush, Cheney and Rice were all big oil people. Condolisa Rice was on the board of Chevron for 10 years before being recruited by the Bush administration. In fact, they had an oil tanker named the Condolisa, in her honor. She had them remove the name after her appointment to the White House. We don't have presidents in the White House anymore, all we have are front men for secret societies, business tycoons and oil executives.

Benjamin Disraeli said it best(house of parliament circa 1850), "The public would be surprised to know that the people running the governments are far different than who they would expect." (Loose quote).

Oh, you've got to love the Rich families who own the banks and oil companies. Do you really think they will let your vote count? Do you really think they want a domocracy? No, they think they own the air you breathe and since they have "more money than God", they can appoint whomever they want to office and they do.

This is exactly why the status quo in Washinton D.C. never changes and why the government never seems to do things that are in the country's best interest. Why? Because they are beholding to those who put them in power and as long as they do what their puppet masters say, they will retain that power. End of story.

By the way, a man invented a carborator in the 1950's that could get 100 miles to the gallon. Three days after he made this news public, he died under mysterious circumstances and the US government somehow gained rights to his patent, which never saw the light of day. This is exactly why you will never see a cure for cancer or any other condition that requires medications. Big pharma will not allow it. Greed is a sickness that has infested this nation from top to bottom and those in power will sell their own mothers to make a buck. Live well, kitten, and God's blessings to you and yours.


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magnoliazz 5 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Lots of great info in your comment, thanks Lone Ranger. You make a lot of sense. Of course in the back of our minds, we all question and wonder what the real truth is about so many things.

Actually, this is a good time for America, because its only when people are hurting that they begin to question the power structure.

Most people have it figured out that the odds are not in their favor, but what can we do about it? Of course there are more peasants than there are kings, and the hoardes are known from time to time to bring down an empire.

As for greed, I see plenty of greedy people from all walks of life. If you don't believe it, go to any mall the day after Thanksgiving, it is sickening. I would hate to see those women in a position of power, LOL!


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that Sadaam Hussien (former Iraqi president), who was placed in power by the USA, made a tactical error, which cost him his life, by making a blunderous decision without consulting his American puppet masters first.

His mistake was trying to produce more oil and place it upon the open market, so the Iraqi people had more resources from which to buy food, etc.

Unfortunately for him and the Iraqi people, Exxon, Chevron and Unical (to name a few), run Capitol Hill and the White House, which in turn, is owned by a cartel of extremely wealthy and influential families who also own most of these major corporations and are the driving force behind "Corporate America" including the American Medical Association.

My precious dove, you know very well what would happen to the price of oil if more was pumped onto the free-market. That's right! The cost of oil would decrease substantially and so would the profits of these mega-corporations.

Sadaam was fun for awhile and served his purpose and puppet masters well, but by acting independently he outlived his usefulness and had to be terminated. The Iraqi oilfields are now under new management and have been since Corporate America sent in their storm troopers back in 2003.


Manipulation Machine 4 years ago

There's oil online too , all you need to do is drill (baby,drill) !

If anyone needs it - I've got some hope to sell ...


cofster. 4 years ago

hahaha fucking retards yeah america HAS loads of oil yer just waiting for the right time lol yer country is trillions of dollars in debt, the dollar is weak as shit, ha i wonder why ye haven't started drilling so, make bit of cash money, oh wait thats cause ye all out haha irelands the future baby..


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Cofster! YOU are a complete and TOTAL IDIOT!!

You think America is finished?? Eat our dust! We have enough natural gas for the next 500 years and it is being developed as we speak. We are importing 50% less oil from other countries and that number is going down all the time.

American farmers feed 1/3 of the world. If we stop producing millions will starve to death, maybe even an idiot like YOU.

Between 2007 and 2010 we loaned out 16 TRILLION dollars to countries all over the world so that they would not fail. These loans were kept secret because we know how to play our hand. Pleading poverty can be a great tactic.

If America fails the world fails, because there never has been and never will be a country that even comes close to US.

America has more money than all the rest of the world COMBINED. If you don't believe me, do your own research. And while you are at it big boy, look up who created the internet and who gave the technology away for the good of all mankind.

And by the way, just in case that is not enough to make you sit up and take notice....have you ever heard of a new technology which creates FREE energy? Right now we are working on that and when we are successful, we are going to GIVE it away, so that asses like you can stay warm in the winter and cool in the summer.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

She Lives!!! :0)

I must say your comment to Cofster was a little less cordial than usual, but seemed appropriate under the circumstances.

Certainly is good to see you alive and kicking, my dear, you had me worried.

Best wishes and be well - L.R.


Melvin, 4 years ago

Alright, It's all starting to make since. Just think about it. Elite people in power are waiting for the other countries to use up their oil. But while we are doing this, they are pocketing on American Dollars and building their armies while starving their people. While we face "trillions" of dollars in debt, we loan nearly 1/4 of that in military aid to countries like Egypt. One thing we do have to worry about as Americans is the truth getting out once the world knows we've been playing them as a fool, I'm afraid they will team up against us. It's already in the workings Countries Like Russia And China are increasingly holding secret meetings and funding and arming countries like Iran who want to "blow Isreal" off the map. Most people aren't aware of it. But we hold alot of power in the world Cause we are the world reserve currency. Which means oil is priced in U.S dollars. But China and Russia are the Euro-Union are holding meetings talking about switching to the yuan or the euro, My biggest concern is China, We've funded their uprising while we declined. Their sole intention is to replace us as a Super Power. But I believe that won't happen, us Americans always have something tricky up our sleeves, We fall off and pick our selves back up. No other country is nearly as free and opportunity rich like us.


altenergy 4 years ago

Bring back the SUV was probably said as more of a joke, but consider the fact that America is #1 in the world burning 18 thousand barrels of oil per day and China is next on the list at 8 thousand. We need to set a better example. Just as we have the largest waste lines in the world we also have 2 cars per family and outside of a few large cities we barely use public transportation. I predict that China and India will close the gap on oil consumption as each country continues to develop and their citizens gain wealth. You can buy a new car in India for $6k or less, and people are taking to the roads like never before. No argument above seems to consider the consequence of extracting a fossil fuel from the earth's crust and releasing the gases into the atmosphere at such an extraordinary rate. Since the industrial revolution our avg. temps have risen by 1 degree, causing melting ice caps, sea level rise and natural disaster. What happens if we burn twice as much over the next 60 years? From an environmental aspect the US will be begging the China,Iindia and Brazilla's of the World to do as we say not as we have done when it comes to consuming oil. I say give a hybrid or all electric car a chance. They may be ugly and lack the punch of a gas guzzler, but that is sure to change and I say the trade off is well worth it.


Altenergy 4 years ago

I meant 18 million barrels per day, not thousand!


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

A different look at the problems.

Obama says that we are pumping more oil today, just another half truth because the pumping is on private land. We are pumping 30% less oil on public land (taxpayer owned ).Leases on government land to open drilling is 0 in the Obama administration. Obama says if we keep the cost of gas high, the use of oil will drop and prices will drop because the supply will be more. Than in the next breath, Obama wants to release the oil in the reserve to increase the supply. Sounds like Obama is agreeing the need to increase production of oil. All the pumping today on PUBLIC LAND is because of Clinton and Bush.

Allow me to clarify

1. When oil comes from private land sources, the government only gets revenue when the private companies make PROFIT. Obama complains about the oil companies making billions of profit. Why would Obama and the Democrats complain when the companies are paying (the American taxpayer, Treasury ) 40% of those profits to the treasury. WHAT A DEAL, the government gives the companies $4 billion in subsidies to search for oil, the oil companies spend more than the $ billions to find oil (on public land ) and more $millions to get permit approvals to drill. Note that without profit the treasury starves for revenue.

2.When oil comes from public lands, the government has a better deal. The oil companies pay for the leases( they are open bided on), receives an oil royalty of about $18.00 a barrel on each barrel produced. Somehow the better deal for the taxpayers is to pump on public land because not only profits are gained but the addition of lease money and royalties increase the REVENUE returns.

SHELL OIL in Alaska after spending $ millions to procure permits have been waiting 2 years for permits to drill.

In the gulf 5 oil companies have waited 2 years for the permits that have been denied by the Obama administration. The Obama administration has been held in contempt of a federal judges court order for the past 1.5 years to allow the permits to be released. The oil moratorium shut down oil in the gulf.

On 3/17/12 Petrobas, a George Soros investor of a Brazilian oil company, received the permits to drill in the gulf. Petrobas was given a US Government loan approved by President Obama when he returned from a Brazilian trip.

The President makes jokes of ‘’ drill baby drill’’ and claims that he doesn’t have any control of high prices.

On the campaign trail, Obama contends that the Republicans claims to open the drilling fields will not reduce the prices of oil. Why not try to prove the Republicans wrong? Obama’s idea to getting us off the need for foreign oil is to shut down US production. The Man is showing his true colors.

http://jon-ewall.hubpages.com/


Martha 4 years ago

As a student AND teacher of International Relations and Political Science, I've heard people (mostly Americans who just read data and statistics online or in American-authored books) claim that America has more oil than Saudi Arabia and that this oil just needs to be drilled, more times than I can count. I've spent hours explaining the factual inaccuracies and mistakes that come with this view and statement. As an American, I've always wished these people would do their research more thoroughly and not speak on a topic until they've mastered it (and mastering a topic does not mean reading a few articles or books about it.)

Yes, we're the strongest military might in the world at the present. Yes, we are a hegemony. No, we are not ahead of Saudi Arabia in terms of oil power. OPEC dominates oil politics - America does not even come close to doing the same.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Martha

''I've spent hours explaining the factual inaccuracies and mistakes that come with this view and statement.''

CAN YOU BE MORE CLEARER with that statement?


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I started a hub about oil and haven't gotten a single comment on it. LOL The point of the hub being big oil is most likely organizing and bank rolling the anti-drilling environmentalist groups for the sole purpose of controlling supply and demand. Why product two barrels of oil for $40 a barrel when you can produce only one for $80 or $90 a barrel?

Naturally big oil wants to use less labor and processing and get twice as much for their oil so naturally they will DO ANYTHING to control supply and demand, including setting up powerful anti-drilling groups.

We see the "GO GREEN" people here, that's all good and fine if it was a real viable option but it isn't and never will be until we are running low on oil. "Going Green" is just another initiative to control the supply and demand of oil. A Toyota Prius MIGHT last and run long enough to allow the owner to break even on fuel cost. The cost of the car is too high for anyone to save money. So like the South Park episode, only the pious own Prius.

I agree there is very little evidence to back up any opinion posted here including my own. I agree reading books and watching TV will not provide you or I with enough truth to make a rational judgement but if we rely on understanding human nature we can all be experts in the supply and demand of oil.

Why do we buy foreign oil? We are not going to get the answers to that from the media or our government so we must speculate and use proper judgment. Personally I "believe" we buy foreign oil for two reason, it is cheaper because the cost of production is lower and because if we don't buy it someone else will and oil is power.

If we want to be a powerful country we probably should do everything we can to control the oil supplies.

By not drilling domestically Big Oil controls the supply and demand selling oil for much more a barrel than if they did open up drilling in other regions and we deplete foreign oil sources leaving the U.S as the leading oil reserves.

I may be a little off the mark but my "belief" is much more likely to be realistic than any of the bogus explanations and scenarios fed to us by the media and government.

I bet the spotted owl made a lot of congressman extremely wealthy. Just imagine owning timber outside of the pacific northwest and having the price so low it was barely worth cutting. What do you do? Well you could create an environmentalist group, higher researchers who will take money to say what you want them to say and declare a species endangered and shut down the largest timber producing region in the U.S doing two things, 1) forcing the timber harvest in other regions and 2) driving up the cost of timber.

Sure there are people who love the environment and wish to protect it but only the VERY wealthy groups have a say and the timber owning congress men and pals most likely sponsored the spotted owl environmentalist as big oil sponsors going green and anti-drilling.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

By the way Obama doesn't complain unless he is told to. Obama has no say in oil drilling. He does what he is told because the alternative is grim. No big deal, he knew it before he was elected.

Anyone who believes the U.S president is the most powerful man in the world has bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. The president of the united states is ONLY a buffer between the voters and those who actually run this country. The president is there for people to hate or love based on their political party loyalties. He only has a say if he agrees with those who own him and the same people who own Obama will own the next president whether he be republican or democrat.

Obama is a very well paid slave.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

Not to many changes in the last 2 years since you wrote your hub. Obama tells the public we must use all of the above, that includes oil and natural gas. All words and no actions.check these out.

3/26/12

Executive Branch - POLITICS ENERGY CRISIS

Domestic drilling advocates WARN of increased global demand for oil, dwindling supply

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/26/domesti...

4/13/12

Obama order coordinates federal oversight of 'fracking,' gas development

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/221395-ob...

Obama feeling the heat from oil producers

The TRUTH

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/in.../v/1523106926001/obama-feeling-the-heat-from-oil-producers/?playlist_id=86929

7/09/08

HOW OIL SPECULATORS DRIVE OIL PRICES UP, AND WHY

At a June 17 Congressional hearing about how oil prices are affected

http://www.solarfeeds.com/how-oil-speculators-driv...

JUDGE for yourself, is the President doing the job?


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Jon, you lost me when you wrote "OBAMA" the first time. Obama tells the public just like Achmed the dead terrorist puppet is really telling the audience that he will kill them.

You should be ashamed of yourself for Obama or any recent president for anything of substance. If you want to attack Obama attack him for what he has for breakfast because he doesn't have a say in anything else.

As long as people "BELIEVE" the president has extreme power to wield they will never ever have any real idea about what is really going on. I'm sorry Jon your opinion/belief has no chance of being correct anymore than Fox news.

No one will ever get the truth about anything from any news media liberal or conservative.

Everything you know Jon is a lie and false propaganda. You have no reliable sources. All your information is pure hearsay and that is why the price of gas is so high.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Magnoliazz Says:

"Between 2007 and 2010 we loaned out 16 TRILLION dollars to countries all over the world so that they would not fail. These loans were kept secret because we know how to play our hand. Pleading poverty can be a great tactic."

We have no way of knowing whether the US really loaned out 16 trillion dollars but I do know "pleading poverty can be a great tactic" because we wouldn't be doing it if it were not a great tactic.

Almost every idiot who ever voted is crying "China owns us" and that cry would never happen if our government didn't want it to happen. It is clearly a distraction, my guess one to get the people to be more complacent about being gouged at the pumps and every other means we are nickle and dimed to death.

I never "believed" for a second that we were in such horrible debt. Magnoliazz is right, the people in charge of American (not the president if I haven't made that clear yet) know how to play their cards. The problem is they use us as pawns in their game. We sit back and watch the news and we BELIEVE everything we are told while those in power are running and wielding power on a level none of us are aware of.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

So we all know.

4/15/12

Obama chief strategist David Axelrod

Live and uncut, scare tactics?

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/inde.../v/1563643318001/is-president-obama-vulnerable/?playlist_id=86913

April 19, 2012

Democrats Joining G.O.P. on Keystone Pipeline approval

Obama has said he would veto. The bill passed 293 to 127,

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/us/politics/demo...


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I've seen the author of this hub fling the work "idiot" around a lot. I can't believe you think David Axelrod is Obama's chief "strategist". You are killing me, but in your defense the whole f'ing world believes the same as you do. It's a shame people are so easy to manipulate. The US government plays their hand close to the chest and no amount of FOX garbage will let you know their hand.

If there are "live and uncut, scare tactics" it is because "OUR" government want them. David Axelrod is "OUR" governments CHIEF strategist not Obama's. If the next president is a republican they would use David Axelrod themselves but they can't because it would show their hand so they will put another chief strategist in place and call him or her a republican and YOU and every other idiot republican will support him or her with all your might even though he or she is the spitting image of David Axelrod when he or she is behind closed doors.

ANYBODY who believes the new be it liberal or conservative news is an IDIOT. Don't be an idiot Jon. Don't fall for the propaganda. If you fall for it you will never have even the slightest inkling of what could really be going on.

You are watching a fictional movie which is why you still believe there is a difference between republicans and democrats behind the scenes.

The only difference between a democrat president and a republican is the marketing propaganda they show you on FOX and CNN. Behind closed doors where it COUNTS there is no difference and the president HAS NO SAY unless he or she agrees with the mass of our government. A president cannot go against congress and whether congress is republican or democrat means nothing. Congress is made up of a high powered business men and women who run this country for their own personal gain. They throw us ONLY enough bones to keep us acting JUST LIKE YOU.

Cheers.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

If Obama vetos a bill it is because it was a bill written to be vetod. It is a show to keep you voting and supporting a government for the government instead of a government for the people.

No president will ever veto a bill that congress wants passed. You people think presidents are super heroes in charge of the world but again in your defense that is what the propaganda and history books teach you. You should be ashamed for being so naïve.

Presidents are flesh and bone. They do not cross those in power.

I'm going to say it again, everything you believe in Jon is basically 90% fiction. It is a movie designed to keep you engaged in the political ruse because as long as you engage in it you are easily manipulated and controlled. You do what "THEY" want Jon. That is why we will always be nickled and dimed to our deaths. That is why the price of gas will keep going up.

Stop playing Democrats and Republicans, it's only a game.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

You have a truly mis understanding of what is going on in our country. Tell me the brand of the sauce you are using,everyone wants to be in the KNOW.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

That's the problem Jon everyone wants to be on the same sauce. That is what makes you and "EVERYONE" extremely easy to manipulate. You guys want to be a member of the same club. You want others to agree with you. Acceptance is more important to you than being correct.

The government tells you what sources are reliable and YOU believe them and then they use those sources to dictate how you 'think' and I use the term "think" VERY loosely, mostly they dictate how you "BELIEVE".

You have NO way to back up or PROVE any single "BELIEF" of yours but you support them with all your might because you were told your sources respect your "BELIEFS".

Jon, you are a walking "BELIEF" because you only know what you have been told and they only tell you what you want to be told. You want to be told Obama is a bad guy and responsible for the ruin of the world so THEY tell you.

I stopped voting 20 years ago because I gave up the sauce you mainline everyday. Anyone who believes what they are told as you do can't be anything but a total idiot. I don't think the author of this hub totally believes what they have been told so it gives me hope. But you are right, I STAND alone. I'm the ONLY person who doesn't trust anyone in power.

LOL, it tickles me how foolish you are and how easily manipulate you and the masses are. "Democrats are evil and Republicans are Righteous". You think republicans and democrats are different because fox told you so.

Fox does your thinking. You just regurgitate it like you witnessed it all first hand, what a FOOL! I bet your parents told you Santa Clause isn't real, now I am telling you your whole understanding of politics isn't real. Do with that what you wish. You can't dispute it because you can post link after link but you will never ever post any real evidence.

Cheers


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Jon, please consider forgiving my rudeness. I get so frustrated with people. Half the country is democratic and half the country is republican and each half thinks the other half is completely wrong.

This is what I do know, if we did away with one or the other party things would be just as bad. It is frustrating being one of only a few people willing to accept that fact. You will be unwilling to accept it Jon because you base so much of your existence and who you are on what you believe about the two parties.

You don't have to change your beliefs, matter of fact you probably shouldn't if you like to relate to others but if you did consider the complete extent of the ruse you could find much more productive things to do with your time.

Think of it this way, everything in regards to our government, its power and it's politics is TOP SECRET. You and I will never know what is going on outside of our personal speculation. You will get no help from Fox or CNN.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

Gracious as you are to believe that all politics has answers. The trick is to recognize the propaganda information. There are more viewers on Fox News for a reason. The programs that I watch invites both sides to a discussion. Democrats do appear with their comments (live and uncut )as well as Republicans, sometimes together. Sometimes when invited Democrats do not accept an invitation due to the subject matter. FOR EXAMPLE

4/10/12

Potential impact of Obama's 'Buffett rule'

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/in.../v/1555656093001/potential-impact-of-obamas-buffett-rule/?playlist_id=86929

C-Span broadcasted a Senate Budget Committee meeting on April 18, 2012 , the meeting was chaired by Senator Conrad. The Ryan/ Republican 2013 House budget was discussed in a BI-PARTISAN attempt to force Senator Reid to allow the bill to be discussed on the Senate floor. In closing the meeting ,Chairman Senator Conrad stated that the '' budget control act of 2011'' sufficed as a 2013,2014 and 2015 budget. The Senator 's statement was incorrectly stated. Budgets produce line item expenses and require Congress to pass a budget and forward to the President for his signature to be official. Senator Reid refuses to allow a vote on the President’s 2013 budget and the House’s budget passed by the House as required by Congressional rules. The Democrats game plan is not to do anything on the 2013 budget until after the Nov. 2012 general elections. The CBO estimated that the 2012 budget year is projected to show a $1.56 deficit.

LIVE AND UNCUT


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Jon, thank your lucky stars you live in America, the land of "belief". You can believe anything you want. If you choose to believe Fox news is the gospel because more mindless consumers watch it than CNN it is your American right. You have the right to believe anything you want.

It is imperative that you "believe" Fox or CNN. If you didn't believe one or the other you would be a threat and you wouldn't want that would you?

I know you understand what I am telling you and I know you know it is true. I read your profile here and please understand I am not judging you when I say this, but there is no way you could choose to disbelieve in Fox unless you were willing to flop over to the other party. Your life is dedicated to Fox. You could no longer accept that Fox is only permitted to share what is approved by Obama's administration than an Oncologist can accept that the disease known as cancer is easily cured and prevented.

Americans exist almost solely on their beliefs just as intended. The only way you or I would have anything more than beliefs is if we bugged the federal government in a manner that they had no way of knowing. What we would hear would never ever be permitted to be shared on Fox or CNN.

The only stuff aired on mainstream media today is what will generate wealth for our hybrid government. People will vote thinking they are voting for a republican or democrat neither would ever stand a chance of getting into office. Only hybrids get in. Hybrids are made and placed. The outcome of the next election is already figured out. They have more than one candidate prepped to do as they are told.

Everything you have been told Jon serves a powerful purpose and insures maximum profit.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

Thank you, have a nice day.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I appreciate you being the bigger man Jon. I don't like my comments either but I never seen any evidence to prove myself wrong.

Things will not be getting better for society. There will always be a redistribution of wealth so maybe win supply and demand deems it necessary to drill for natural gas on my property so I can be wealthy, maybe I will again go with the flow of wealth. We can all take more abuse if we can make a little money taking it.

Regards,

David


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

Check out Fox News on Sat. mornings. You won't be sorry, LIVE AND UNCUT.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

LOL, what is Obama not a citizen? Heard that one before.

Jon you are doing your thing and it is sure to feel right to you. I wouldn't watch Fox News any more than I would watch CNN or any other news. My twin brother will watch it and he will spend many hours debating what he saw and after those many hours are over and many other hours like it not ONE thing will have changed except he will NEVER ever EVER get those precious hours back.

Lucky for you two, debating politics is what you live for. At least it changes YOU guys and if you two are lucky you might make it into high paid politics and finally be rewarded for your loyalty.

Best wishes Jon but I would sooner cut my leg off than watch any media because I can read between the lines and no one likes the real story so if I can't share it I have learned to ignore it.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

You have a sad story to talk about. Regards JE


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Dear Jon and True Cures

I hope you will both check out my newest hub "Are American Banksters Headed For Prison??" http://hubpages.com/politics/are-american-bankster...

For the last several months I have been listening to these so called patriots. At first I thought they were just a bunch of crazy people, but now they claim they are taking over with the help of the US military. How anyone would have the time to pull off such a hoax is beyond me. Part of me kind of believes there really might be something going on here.

On the other hand, I cannot imagine our elected officials getting arrested and standing trail.

I would appreciate both your input on this one.

Thanks


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

Patriots,who are they?

These links are for those who can't stand live and uncut conversation

1. 3/26/12

House Democrats push probe into oil market speculators

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/in.../v/1594657302001/house-democrats-push-probe-into-oil-market-speculators/?playlist_id=86929

EPA official under fire for callls to ‘’ crucify’’ oil companies.

2.The Truth on big oil earnings. The big government wants ‘’ fairness ‘’

http://whoownsbigoil.org/a-note-on-oil-company-ear...

Who owns big oil? Obama and the Democrats want to tax them. Are you an OWNER?


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I'm sorry Jon, those links are for people who like to be told how to "believe". They are for people willing to be loyal to the republican party no matter whether the party truly exist or not.

There is something extremely wrong with a person who will accept their political party media propaganda source as pure fact while dismissing the other sides political party media source as pure fiction.

Yes this makes me sad, I am a sad person but it makes you a FOOL, bar NONE. You should be ashamed of yourself for falling for such propaganda.

But I doubt you are, something tells me I am not telling you anything you don't already know. Something tells me you know what's real and what's made up propaganda and either you are specifically in the business of promoting propaganda or you are so vile and loyal to your corrupt party that you will say and do anything to tarnish the other party.

Here I am keeping with only the facts, you can't prove one statement made on those links and AND according to you when I say the democrats and the democrat party is bogus and pure propaganda you WILL AGREE WITH ME ON THAT MUCH so you really truly are talking out of your A$$. I know that is an ugly way of putting it, but it is important that EVERYBODY see you being rebuked by me.

Jon, you ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.

You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I know FOX is watched by most conservative republicans who fancy unrighteous taking the Lords name upon themselves. The bible says to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's but it NEVER says to vote for Caesar or to support Caesar in any other way.

I will post this scripture and hold great implications for any self proclaimed "Christian".

Scripture: Matthew 7:15-20

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.

I can't call my self a Christian because too many SELF PROCLAIMED "Christians" are more loyal to FOX news and the Republican Party than they are to the Truth and the Light and I refuse to be part of something so far off the PATH.

Jon, for your sake I hope the bible isn't true. If it is, there is a special place for you for your efforts in leading so many naïve people astray.

I will rebuke you each time you promote ways of this world or things of this world.

REPUBLICANS are no more righteous or truthful than DEMOCRATS. Both are of this world, both are BAD TREES that CANNOT PRODUCE GOOD. NOW THAT IS FACT whether the bible is believed or not.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

Thank you for your friendly comments. I'VE been called a lot worst by some other buffoons in hubland.You have a problem spreading your dung in the hub world.

I suggest you stop taking whatever your drinking and soper up.Have a good day.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Jon,

It doesn't change a thing. You have a corrupt agenda and I have a righteous agenda.

I visited with a person yesterday who was going out to load up on ammunition because he was told the government was going to make ammunition manufactures use a gun powder that expires after time so the bullets become useless and cannot be stock piled.

The fool got this notion because of the games YOU play for the sake of your party. You are responsible for his ignorance and I can't stand by and let you freely dupe the masses here where I have spoken up. I won't follow you around on hub pages but if I did choose to I could easily break you.

If you chose to follow me around you would be completely impotent at defrauding or debunking me because I share undeniable truths.

Cheers


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

True Cures

'' I share undeniable truths.'' PROVE IT!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

When can we set up an appointment Jon and what do you need cured?

You see Jon you live in a world of "BELIEF" otherwise known as "make believe". The "proof" that you cherish sooo much is ABSOLUTELY nothing more than hearsay. They say it on FOX so you BELIEVE it. You don't have to see it in person in the flesh, feel it, smell it or even benefit from it, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE TOLD. That mentality is what I refer to as the "mindless consumer" mentality but after I read your hubpage profile it was clear you survive off of the "mindless consumer" mentality.

I'll go easy on you Jon, if you do not want to set up an appointment to prove whether man kind is capable of curing any disease go ahead and try to discredit any one of my claims, any one of them. All you can say is "prove it" to me in which case I will say make an appointment because there is ONLY one REAL proof and that is in the tangible RESULTS not the hearsay written in journals or seen on TV you call proof. "Oh, it is written in a medical journal or on FOX TV so it must be TRUE."

http://hubpages.com/education/truecuresevolution...

Jon, I suggest you respond to this forum and address the question in my last comment. For the other readers here Jon is a bright guy, very corrupt but bright none the less. Let's see him get involved in REAL truths.

As for Jon, everything he has written on this hub is pure FOX hearsay fantasy. Hearsay written by expert con men who studied marketing and advertisement in order to tell people what they want to hear. There is no fact in any of it and BY GOD do not "believe" for a second that because I am rebuking Jon and his political party that I am supporting the other corrupt political party. The two are the same and Jon has taken it upon himself to do his best to convince you they are not the same because the never ending political party fight and debate is what drives this economy and put money into Jon's pockets and takes it out of yours and mine.

People who believe FOX or CNN or believe there are two different political party's fighting for power in our federal government are indeed lost to hearsay and do not know the difference between real "PROOF" and "nuh uh, "THEY" said so".

That's right, people like Jon live by "Nuh uh, THEY said so." That's all the "proof" he needs and it isn't "proof at all. Jon, even though he can think for himself he never will. He is not alone, I have yet to meet a person who thinks for themselves. Try the question on the hubpage link I posted and see if you can think for yourself. Jon wont because Jon can't think for himself and still live with himself.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

I apologize for the ranting of a fellow hubber who apparently has lost a few marbles.

True Cures,Have a great and peaceful day.The best is yet to come!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Snide comments are for the weak minded Jon and I am not interested in them the way you are.

Fact is you live in a fairytale were "belief" is power. Your role is to make snide comments till you can get people to "believe" you, you are no different than Obama or his administration which is the same administration that was behind Bush. Only the weak minded would disagree with me and all you can do is post snide comments because you sure can't dispute anything with anything other than hearsay.

My car doesn't run on hearsay but your pocketbook sure does.

Jon you have no opinion here worth posting. Any hearsay you post will be wrecked.. I won't follow you around hubpages but I will expose any fraudulent "beliefs" here because I'm knee deep in this. If you choose to post snide comments instead of factual disputes I might join other discussions on your other topics as well and your opinion's wont count for anything there.

Jon, let it be known I am not picking on you. I know you have the masses believing as you believe but when I post as I have here it leaves no room for dispute as you well know.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hello Jan, I appreciate your interest in my hubs, and it does not bother me when people have a debate back and forth. You are so respectful and decent, thank you for being a class act.

True Cures, What are we going to do with you? LOL, if I said the sky was blue, you would argue about that, but thats okay too, you would have made a fine attorney.

We live in the land of free speech, I may not agree with what you say, but I believe you have the right to say it, as long as we stay respectful of each other. After all we are all on the same side right?


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Right now the sky is blue. The problem today is "belief" is king and contrary to what people might claim I avoid "belief" like the plague. Jon lives by his "belief" but to be fair so does everyone else. Because of that fact nothing ever gets better in politics or medicine.

I just started a new hub that "believers" like Jon will not touch. "Belief" based people avoid the truth and only debate with people who have "beliefs" to debate. That's how politics work and what my new hub is about. Jon like everyone else cannot give one good reason to vote even though they all feel strongly about voting.

The reason's they vote are not reasons they can go into great detail.

And we do live in a land of free speech but the government controls who can here our free speeches. Sure I can say whatever I want to say here on hubpages and on my own forum but I can say these things in the media.

I mentioned on my new hub how I get a kick out of the movies where the good guy leaks the information to the media and the media brings down the corrupt government. That will never happen. The media is either owned, controlled or both by our government. If something is leaked to the media it is because of "controlled opposition" and our government will use it to further their finical gain.

I disagree with everyone's beliefs because I am agnostic. Beliefs are critical for capitalism but capitalism doesn't treat me as well as it treats others so I do not remain as loyal as someone like Jon might.

Belief is destroying the world because belief is used as a substitute for real wisdom and knowledge.

Go SPURS! See I'm human. I believe in the San Antonio Spurs!


ScreenDoor 4 years ago

Hey Jon and Mag......

I think you are being overly harsh on True Cure.

From what I have read on the internet about him...

Well he has never filed a tax return. Well at least for the past 15 years. And your hard earned taxes are 'paying' for him to be able to spend the time to give those Great! answers that he always does.

Yeah he is on the Government Dole. I wish I could have that lifestyle. Unfortunately I gotta work. I guess Jon probably has to also. Unfortunately.

Why can't I be one of these leaches ya always see on your HomePage? Can't I shake my whatever like Britney Spears? And do that plastic walk and talk?????


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Hubbers

Opened a chinese fortune cookie today, the reading was interesting as it kind of fits into todays postings.

It read ''NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL''.

Hubbers have a great day!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Lots of people reading this and wondering if I am crazy or a genius? Well considering that Jon and ScreenDoor can't dispute ONE comment on any one of my many blogs or forum topics you can only assume that what I say is too solid for these two and anyone like it to dispute so they attack me. Naturally I do pay taxes. I do not pay taxes because I do not make enough to have to pay taxes.

I would pay taxes if I made enough. However ScreenDoor and Jon will do everything in their power of harassment to see to it that NONE of you consider positive change. You see ScreenDoor and Jon make their living off of manipulation and corruption which is why they will never be able to dispute a single claim by me. They will attack me personally NOT my claims. If my claims were inaccurate they would tell you but you can read their garbage yourself and see they are truly impotent.

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ScreenDoor 21 hours ago

Hey Jon and Mag......

I think you are being overly harsh on True Cure.

From what I have read on the internet about him...

Well he has never filed a tax return. Well at least for the past 15 years. And your hard earned taxes are 'paying' for him to be able to spend the time to give those Great! answers that he always does.

Yeah he is on the Government Dole. I wish I could have that lifestyle. Unfortunately I gotta work. I guess Jon probably has to also. Unfortunately.

Why can't I be one of these leaches ya always see on your HomePage? Can't I shake my whatever like Britney Spears? And do that plastic walk and talk?????

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JON EWALL Level 7 Commenter 12 hours ago

Hubbers

Opened a chinese fortune cookie today, the reading was interesting as it kind of fits into today's postings.

It read ''NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL''.

Hubbers have a great day!

*******

I may be poor but that is how the government wants it. They don't want me making a living through the science of immunity or through being honest. They want me to compromise all that is RIGHT and all that is TRUE to make a sleazy buck just like ScreenDoor and Jon.

I may be a fool but Jon and ScreenDoor are evildoers and nothing else.

I might add ScreenDoor did a lot of reading and research on me and still couldn't find anything to dispute. :)


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

JON and Screendoor, I just want you to know that I greatly admire men like you two. You are the kind of guys who built this beautiful country from the ground up. It is your kind who saved us from living in mud huts like they do in Africa. I would like to say THANK YOU!

There is just one thing I would like to say to Screen Door here. I am a nurse and I have taken care of many people so severly disabled that they are on social security. I don't know if that is True Cures situation or not as to get on disabilty you have to either have a year to live or you cannot do productive work because of dire physical conditions.

Its something that I would never wish for. I am so grateful to God that I am healthy enough to get out of bed everyday on my own, get dressed and go to work. Few people realize what a gift that is.

All in all work is great therapy. I feel bad for those people who cannot lead a productive life, they are missing out on a lot.

True Cures

In spite of your aggravating side I cannot help but like you. You are a very intelligent person. You should write a book on politics, it would be a best seller.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, Screendoor has been attacking me since I was first on hubpages and she knows that I qualify for welfare which is what she was speaking of. I qualify for welfare because I have dedicated 20 plus years to science instead of a career. The science I research and study is not a profitable science so I do not make a living. I have been on a just cause for more than 20 years without receiving any fruit for my labor.

I receive some donations but they are not enough to even keep the lights on each month. Screendoor was not here to discuss pros and cons of disability or welfare she was here to attack me personally. When it comes to welfare and disability you will not get a genuine discussion out of her. I have a hub on the topic called Welfare, damned if we do and damned if we don't. No one will touch it with a 10 foot pole.

As for writing a book that would be best seller, well only if I write a wild game cookbook maybe. That is on my list of things to do, already have the title picked out and protected.

As for writing a book on politics, it would the same if I wrote a book on health, healing and the science of immunity. No one would buy it. Trust me I know this for fact because one thing people do not do is restructure their entire "belief" system.

It would be like me asking you to become 100% loyal to the political party you like the least. People pick and choose what they want to believe though they can change their opinions occasionally they cannot give up their entire "belief" system in order to see the truth behind the distracting "belief".

When it comes to health and healing both believers in natural medicine and western medicine despise me. When it comes to politics both democrats and republicans despise my messages. That doesn't leave me much of a market to sell any books other than the cookbook.

My problem is I still believe I can force people to discover their ability for complete and full immunity. I can give it to anyone including you Mags but you will never understand it unless you put wisdom before belief. Everyone thinks they can do that because they tend to be completely unaware of the huge sacrifice it means. Basically it means almost everything we "believe" in is wrong and that is a HUGE sacrifice to accept.

C.J and I may hash it out on his hub but I don't feel he is ready to sacrifice his loyalties to modern worldly science yet because is mostly being argumentative instead of inquisitive.

Anyways, I do what I can and when people need to be cured or healed I do it with or without personal rewards.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Cures:

You said:

"C.J and I may hash it out on his hub but I don't feel he is ready to sacrifice his loyalties to modern worldly science yet because is mostly being argumentative instead of inquisitive." - David Flowers

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Dave, you understand virtually nothing about me, although you have convinced yourself that you do. I am not your enemy, in fact, I mean you no harm...I even kinda like you. :0)

Having said that, I have been trying to open up meaningful dialog with you, but all I seem to get is the same old song and dance. After all the words we have shared, I still have no idea where you are coming from. I am known to be a straight shooter, but, you, my friend, are hard to pin down.

I want to hear what you have to say, but all I am hearing is the same tiresome rhetoric. I am not a proud man, but I do pride myself on being patient, but you are wearing it thin.

I do not want to hurt you in any way, but I have no idea what your message is about. I am quite adept at scanning conversations for hidden meanings, but I am still coming up empty every time you speak.

Please help me to understand what it is that you are trying to say and please stop telling me I'm not ready for this or that. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I must say my patience is growing thin. If you have something to say, please say it...if not, then I would like to know that, too.

Peace be with you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

Nurses are nice people because they help people when in need.We are very proud of our daughter the nurse,our son in the education field and our youngest daughter entering into the healthcare industry.

MAY GOD BLESS you and the nursing profession.


Marc E 4 years ago

who said america has more oil than saudi arabia ?! that bullshit ,, without saudi oil world will stop , they have oil enough for all world countries and for thousands years

#the end#


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ I will put it like this and use an example from Jon here.

Clearly Mags is a gracious hub host and two comments up you see Jon stroking Mag's ego. Jon needs to do this because it furthers his cause and he wants people to like and listen to him especially because he needs people to get emotionally involved with his topics and discussions so they the emotions can make them more easily manipulated.

Mags is absolutely right, people like Jon and Screendoor built this country and yes largely through manipulation.

Now here is how the example is tied. I left the comment about Mags being a nurse alone because I do not manipulate or practice being politically correct.

The truth is, Mags as a nurse did or does what she can as a nurse and no matter her intentions it just isn't enough and it just doesn't make a substantial difference. Her training is designed to complement medicine and make it more profitable not to heal or cure people. The best she can do is help people have peace of mind and she is probably pretty good at that judging by her ability to host these hubs. Her training didn't giver her that, she already had it.

Now the question is, how does Mag's take this comment from me.

Lot's of factors there and the average nurse would be greatly offended. It's a lot of work to become a nurse and it is more work to actually nurse. They get all the shitty work and do more than any doctor but the doctors get all the respect. Doctors don't get glory, don't get me wrong, just respect because we are trained to respect them despite our more common dislike for them.

EMOTIONS, can Mags put her emotions aside? Naturally I wish to win her over to keep a fair mediation going here. Though I 100% disagree with today's medical industry I feel it might help if she knew I have some experience as an advanced EMT and have spent quite a few hours in the emergency room myself and have spent many hours in an ambulance doing CPR, running IVs and putting pressure on wounds.

For trauma there is great value in nurses and EMTs but in medicine nurses and EMTs are just a big part of the fraud.

Will Mag's be offended or will she put facts before emotions?

CJ, you and are not getting anywhere because you are not ready to put facts before emotions. Maybe you are right and I do not know you but I know what happens and the way a person behaves when they are truly open to know the truth even if the truth is ugly. Now watch Mags. Jon is extremely offended right now by this comment but will Mag's rise above the emotion?

SPOILER ALERT The only evidence that Mags can prove she is above her emotions is to agree that she was never allowed to be in a position to heal or cure someone or improve anyone's health despite what popular belief society has about nurses. Outside of trauma, being a nurse is just a paycheck, one very hard earned paycheck with few other rewards because the system is scandalous.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Damn, True Cures, I just find it difficult to believe that you know so much about healing people, when you make so many fraudulent claims about the people you are talking to. Why are you so interested in healing people you don't even like?

Could it be that you are trying to alienate and upset as many people as you can? Do you want to be rejected? If so, you are certainly saying all the right things.

On a personal note, I cannot stomach the thought of someone questioning Magnoliazz's character or commitment. Perhaps you should not worry about whether she becomes emotional over your criticism, but rather fear my reprisal for offending one who is dear to my heart. If, I were you, David, I would take another tact, and do so immediately.

Best wishes, behave, and be well - C.J. Sledghammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ that's why I don't spend a lot of energy explaining myself to you. I can tell you are loyal to your "beliefs" and you solidify my assumption as correct with each of your comments.

"You" cannot imagine me knowing so much about healing people when I make so many "fraudulent claims". There lies your loyalty. You call my claims fraudulent though you cannot dispute them any more than Jon or Screendoor can dispute them. You claim me to be a fraud because the world you love prepares you to disregard anything true.

Why would I spend my energy trying to explain health and healing to a person blindly loyal to the world and it's science fiction while being completely incapable of considering something to be legit just because it is not popular.

There is your problem, you believe if it is popular it makes it right. You may truly have a desire to be good and righteous but you don't have the capacity to detect what is right because what is RIGHT is never popular and that is why you are not nearly the righteous soul you "BELEIVE" you are.

The truth about health and healing is not popular it is actually despised by all medicine including natural medicine as well as despised by science. If you knew the truth about the world you love, the world God has commanded all Christians to flee you would know why medicine despises the truth and why it avoids it at all cost, mostly YOUR cost.

On a personal note to you CJ I respect Mags more than I respect you. Read her comments towards me. She does what she can to maintain the peace but unlike you she has not called me a liar just because my claims are not popular. She knows my claims cannot be proven "fraudulent" so she doesn't stand on a soap box and call me a liar the way you do. I would say she is not brainwashed or loyal to any belief system, you my friend are as loyal as a dog. You are as worldly as they come and I doubt Mags need your protection.

If you were not of the world you would have already read some of my hubs and visited my forum and you would be asking questions about things you do not understand but instead you have been 100% defensive and doing everything in your limited power to protect your "belief" system.

I would say it was your pride but that would be letting you off easy. I think it is something worse. Anyways the only thing on the line between the two of us is your health and your eternity if you want to gamble with your accusations. I have nothing to lose by disregarding our internet acquaintance and YOU have everything to lose.

You can't have the truth if you do not want it and I don't see any evidence of you wanting anything more than what you already have.

Now I say this and I mean it, peace be with you if you so desire it. I'm not mad at you. I do not judge you. I am simply telling you that once you flee the ways of the world you will have wisdom and with that wisdom you will have immunity so please just take it or leave it.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, I doubt I am telling you anything you don't already know and I'm sure you know I am not attacking you but the nursing industry.

Like all medicine, a nurse is trained to do as they are told. Because I can PROVE that there is no such thing as an incurable disease I can say with complete confidence that nurses are trained to fail. Anything less than a cure is failure. The only reason a person would disagree with that is because they put more faith in medicine and medical science than they do logic and reason.

Keep in mind, trauma is not what I am talking about. Trauma medicine is the BOMB for a reason. Every person saved from trauma stands to live long enough to get a very profitable disease.

Every "belief" today about health and healing comes from a root "belief" that there are incurable diseases (Compounded by the fact that most disease are believed to be incurable.) and that is why I know more about health and healing than any other person.

If there was a way for the world to profit from curing disease or from healthy people everyone would know more about health and healing. The profit comes from people believing they cannot be cured. So no matter the intentions and righteousness of any nurse they are simply trained to fail.

Nurses are the hardest working people in the medical field and I am not attacking their character I am attacking the system that sets them up to fail.

I may be assuming too much, but I suspect Mags already knows all of this and is not offended. I also doubt she is threatened by the discussion.

Cheers


Screendoor 4 years ago

Hey Mag. Your profession is honorable. Have spent a lot of time in hospitals and the ICU unit the last 8 months. My parents are in their 70's. Although I did just lose my Dad at Thanksgiving. Took a leave of absence from my job to help care for them. Out of state. And the "nurses" were always kind. And I put that quotation mark there because a lot of them were male. Regardless of the stereotype. But to a tee they helped me through a tough time and gave great care.

Unfortunately True Cure is a physically fit 40 year old male who stands 6 foot plus. No disabilities. Hey, we all like to have fun and get our message out. Unfortunately me and you and Jon and whoever have to work in order to pay for him to have fun here.

Government assistance is a great thing. For those who truly need it. There is nothing wrong with having a safety net for those who become disabled.

Unfortunately True Cure doesn't fall into that category.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Screendoor, what are you saying? What does my physical condition have anything to do with?

I could start a forum just like your CureZone forum and make tons of money the same as you do but for some reason I cannot make myself pull the trigger.

I want to sell out the same as you do every day but I can't forsake ethics, morals, wisdom and all else that is right.

My way of thinking is this, I spend 40 hours a week trying to save the world and curing people of diseases your CureZone products and gimmicks can't cure and do so without charging the clients because they live in poverty to. So when I get $200 a month for food it allows me to eat while I do good things.

I sometime wonder if I could be like you and do everything for the money without lifting a finger to do things right. Of course if I chose to behave as you do, I to would be spending a lot of time in the ICU watching people suffer. Instead I do everything in my POWER to end suffering while you profit from it.

Yeah, its a tough call to stick with trying to do the right thing when there is no finical reward. Only a bottom feeder would call me a freeloader but to each her own.

I know it doesn't make you feel any better but I am working on a business to support my work that could disqualify me for government assistance. I do wonder if I will continue to cure people of diseases you cannot cure if I become financially wealthy as you are?

http://hubpages.com/politics/Welfare-damned-if-we-...

Again you have attacked me without disputing a single claim. I know that is the best you can do. I would invite you to comment on my welfare hub but I know you wont. Why don't you tell Mags and the other readers here why it is bad for me to take $200 a month in government assistance so I can continue to offer my extremely effective services and knowledge to people who cannot afford your extremely ineffective services.


Screedoor 4 years ago

True Cure - no hard feelings. I am glad you have finally found some honest work. I personally don't think it is asking too much for able-bodied men to have to work for their money. And I also love onions.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

WOW...I was gone for a few weeks and now I can't catch up on here.

Jon CJ and Screendoor....thank you so much for your kind comments I appreciate them.

And NOW as for you True Cures..LOL...the squeaky wheel always gets the grease!

You have me pegged wrong my friend. I am not a believer in all of modern medicine as you may think I am. Doctors are brainwashed, and they have to stay that way if they want to keep working and getting that nice paycheck so they have the money to pay off their enormous student loans. My nephew is in the process of becoming a doctor,

I have no idea how he will ever pay off all those student loans.

Its all part of the system to keep them in the system. Like everything it is good and bad. If you were in a bad car accident, they will be able to save your life, and there is no way you True Cures would be able to compete.

Right? Or will you dispute that too?

On the other hand. I feel that there are cures for cancer, but cancer has become big business, and what would really replace it if it were no longer around? But then again, look at small pox. Modern medicine wiped it off the face of the earth.

I think there is good and bad in all things. You have to be true to what you believe in, and you are doing that True Cures and the rest of us are doing that as well. There is a place for modern medicine, it is not perfect, but neither is your program that you believe in because there simply is nothing that will cure all things.

The tide is turning, more and more doctors are looking at herbs and natural healing. I have not been over to your hib site so I can read about your true cures, but I plan on getting over there and checking them out as soon as I can.

True Cures, you need to get yourself a cat or dog. I think you spend way too much tme alone on this computer. If you are into natural healing you will see what I am saying is true.

Get down to the dog pound and get yourself a real buddy. You will not be sorry.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures, CJ is right you are hard to pin down. This is what I am wondering about. You claim to have all these wonderful natural healing ideas, yet you are on social security disability. I don't get that part. When you are selling a health product YOU are the advertisment. LOL! Same goes for beauty products like Mary Kay. Ugly girls don't do well selling Avon or Mary Kay.

Its just the way people think. It is human nature.

As for your comment about Jon and CJ..its because of guys like them that you are able to collect social security. You should not be running them down. Look at people with disabilities in India, no one cares for them, because they don't have guys like CJ and Jon over there, who know how to make the world work for them.

You should apologize. You would be a beggar in the street without guys like Jon and CJ who pay and pay and pay into the government.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

LOL, I didn't have you pegged wrong, I wanted to give you the chance to confirm my opinion of you and I didn't want to openly assume I knew you, people don't like to be pegged. ;) I knew you would respond to my comment appropriately and share more about who you are, not for my benefit because I already knew but for Jon and Screendoor's benefit.

You might have noticed I gave high praise to trauma medicine so I don't even try to compete with that, though if times were tough I could probably do better with trauma than most. I wouldn't let someone die without at least trying to stop the bleeding or repair the spleen. Naturally that would be only if the world was coming to an end and hospitals collapsed.

On the other hand, you have me pegged completely wrong. That's because you put allowed Screendoor's comment to do what she intended it to do. She didn't say I was on disability. I thought it was odd that you assumed disability was what she meant when she said I was on the "government dole". I'm 6'3" and 200 lbs, 42 years old and perfectly healthy and fit. However I am POOR and on government dole because I qualify for it because I don't get paid for my research or my services and my research and services is the only research and services that actually improves human health. The rest as you well know is band-aids. I'm poor because people "BELIEVE" they are incapable of being healthy and immune to disease.

Another improper assumption and I understand why you made it is that you assume I sell or promote natural medicine and or products. I despise natural medicine and do not promote it at all. If natural medicine offered cures as it once did I would approve of it.

That miss-assumption of yours lead to your comment that there is no cure for all diseases because you know how ineffective natural medicine is. You are right there is no medicine to cure all diseases, or at least we are told that but that is just our belief in medicine.

However, the human immune system is FULLY capable of curing any disease. Curing disease means eliminating any disease causing pathogen and contrary to popular belief YOU are designed to be superior to a rat. A common gutter rat can be immune to all disease causing pathogens without any medicine or herbs. This is why Jon and especially Screendoor hate me. What I promote it the science behind immunity not the medicine behind the products. What I promote makes everything but trauma medicine obsolete and yet I get NO funding and very few donations for my work. All I get is attacked.

In a nutshell I PROVE humans have the same immune capacity as a sewer rat and I am hated for it and I remain poor because of it. I am poor because I know the truth about immunity or in today's society the lack of it. I am poor because the world powers-that-be have society convinced they are inferior to all other life on earth and nothing I can say so far will change people's minds.

I can take a 10 year old child deathly allergic to peanuts and in two weeks they can eat a peanut butter sandwich. Here is the kicker, the child's body does all the work and their organs, glands and systems begin to function as they are intended and they are no longer allergic to anything but it also makes them fully immune to pathogens. Sure they can get a bug and be down for a day or two but only until the immune function gets the upper hand once again. There will be no such thing as an incurable pathogen when the human immune system is used to it's full capacity.

Jon and Screendoor destroy the quality of life for poor people but in the process they make a very good living and the trade off is they have to support the poor. Sure they would love to cut off the poor and keep all the money but at the same time they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They know that everyone cannot be wealthy as they are, or as they expect to be, or hope to be so they know to keep the odds in their favor there as to be poor people that do not find a position in capitalism to get a piece of their pie.

I will not apologize to Jon or to Screendoor. Screendoor came over here to attack me. I'm the one who attracted her to your hub. We have a history to say the least.

I have no use for beliefs contrary to what you might think. I don't believe I can cure a person of asthma or cancer I know I can because my science isn't built on hypothesis like medicine's science.

I know you are too busy to scan through my forum the Healing Underground. I know you are too busy to get involved with my hubs and I respect that. I know you didn't mean to peg me wrong and I didn't mean to cross you. I fully suspected you had your difference with the medical industry and I wanted to give you the opportunity to voice it because I knew it would further my cause here with defending myself and the human immune system from the likes of Jon and Screendoor who insist that you cannot be immune to pathogens and that you must rely on the use of medicine, products and technology.

Mags, you have everything you need to be immune to all disease and you do not even know it because there is no way for capitalism to survive if you did know it, and that is why I am poor and receive $200 a month for food that will likely end soon as I consider giving up on the cause of saving the world from disease and needless suffering.

By the way, I have three dogs, two Vizslas and a Vizsladore that is half lab half vizsla and all three are perfectly righteous and sweet and all three put a lot of food on my table. When they are not out pointing and retrieving pheasants, chukar and quail or playing in the river they are loafing on my couch or bed. I post here and spend time on the internet because it is hard for me to quit trying to share the truth because I do know right from wrong.

I know that I am missing something very simple, a simple piece of the puzzle that will allow me to convince you that you have a superior immune capacity despite popular "BELIEF", a belief created by today's medical industry, an industry that I suspect could cure any disease with drugs if it were profitable. Lucky for me and those I help cure that there is no need for drugs or products to be cured or disease free.

I would survive without the $200 month, but the way I see it is people like Jon, Screendoor and even yourself to a degree who prevent me from enjoying any rewards for my years of righteous labor and research justifies my collection of food. Jon and Screendoor are the kind that seek to destroy my work and the science of immunity behind it with malice, you on the other hand are simply and innocently unaware.

All and all I enjoy my life, I just have absolutely nothing in common with anyone else. Even the people I cure want the cure without the knowledge or wisdom behind it. They don't want the truth alienating them as it has me. I don't like being alienated but I'm not sure if I could ever fit into a world of mindless consumerism again anyway. So I do what I can to stay away from belief and anything that I cannot confirm. My dogs do not have a belief system and all and boy to I appreciate that.

Mags, nothing is as it seems.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I guess my greatest challenge is introducing the idea of immunity to people without offending them.

The implications of full immunity means someone has been played the fool and that is offensive. Science and medicine clearly uses people's pride to destroy.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

CJ Thank you for defending me. You are a good friend to have.

Okay True Cures, I assumed you were on disability. Its great news that you are not. I was on disability for two years because of back problems, and I hope I never end up like that again.

How in the heck can you live on 200.00 a month? How can you even care for your dogs, Frontline, Heartguard and vet visits? I feel bad for you... and your poor dogs too.

It sounds like you live in a beautiful area, maybe you could get work as a fishing and hunting guide?

I think it is criminal for our government to cut off food stamps. If the economy was actually improving and jobs were out there, it would be a different story. Right now, we are not seeing that at all. We can send aid to all these countries, but we don't want to take care of our own. That is disgusting to me. And the way we treat our vet is even worse.

Onto Healing....True Cures, why don't you just tell people what to do to get well again, or is this something that Christians would not touch with a 10 foot pole?

There are a lot of healers in South America.They can heal people of all kinds of things. There was a time in my life when I almost went down there, when the doctors told me there was nothing more they could do for my back problems. But once I researched it I found out that many of these healers are in league with demons, who do the actual healing, the price probably being your soul.

I went to your Hubpages and so far I have not found the hub that explains exactly how the healing is done. Is this something to do with the New Age or some guru teachings? please do not be so evasive, because that is the first thing some people think you are into when you beat around the bush and do not come right out and tell us how you do it.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Magnoliazz:

Apparently our mysterious friend, True Cures, can cure himself and others by just using the power of his mind. His secret seems to be using techniques similar to "mind over matter".

I have also gleaned through our lengthy correspondences, that David thinks he has been "given" a "gift", but does not know why he was chosen, nor does he know who sent him this miraculous "gift".

He does not necessarily believe in God or even claim to know who God is, but he wants us to believe that his belief or disbelief in God is contingent upon whether or not Christians will clear their minds and trust in his own methods.

He believes he was created perfect and that God wants us to live in perfect health and True Cures can show us the way.

He said he HAS discovered the "fountain of youth" and it is God's will that we all live with perfect immunity...exceeding that of the sewer rat.

David also seems to want to explore the limits of human understanding and push human wisdom and its capabilities skyward, which are the tenets of humanism in a nut shell.

And, with everything he does, he attacks the children of God and makes proud claims and arrogant boasts, claiming all glory, yet leaving none for God.

These are the things I have come to know from his readings. I say...let the buyer beware. If something seems too good to be true...it probably is.

It is my contention, and I may be wrong, but if David Flowers, a.k.a. "True Cures" had something credible to say and something of such great value to give to this world - he would be world-famous by now and a multi-billionaire, after dabbling in this art for the past 20 years.

I think David is deliberately elusive and manipulative, because he is hiding something. I think he is like an ambush predator that lurks in the shadows but does not want to over commit himself or step into the sunlight, thus giving up his true location and scarring his prey away. Instead he is making ambiguous animal calls and baiting his prey, hoping to lead an unsuspecting victim to within reach of the tree line, where he can take hold of them.

May God grant you protection and provisions - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Oh my God Mags!

Mags says..."How in the heck can you live on 200.00 a month? How can you even care for your dogs, Frontline, Heartguard and vet visits? I feel bad for you... and your poor dogs too."

The number of solutions to any problem is LEGION. First of all I'm a bit offended that you felt I or my dogs would have a use for Frontline or Heartguard or a vet. I train my dogs to stay our of the road and they are immune to disease without any drugs, vaccines or vets.

My dogs are far from neglected. You won't find healthier dog in this country the same as you will not find a person healthier than me in this country. I understand you do not believe me and the ONLY reason you CANNOT believe me is because of your statement I quoted here. I believe you are intelligent but it still doesn't change the fact that you are indoctrinated to consume.

You "believe" you need heartgaurd and vets for your dogs even though you have no evidence of such a need, you were simply told you need it but that is what makes up our economy.

I live in Idaho where the cost of living is VERY low. That is the reason I live here and do not move to the east coast where I could be wealthy curing people. I'm not in it for the money. I don't like collecting welfare but it affords me MORE time for RESEARCH to find a method to snap you out of your destructive belief system, the belief systems that prevents you from being disease free. Your belief system that makes you think your dog cannot live without heartgaurd when foxes, coyotes and wolves thrive without those products.

I harvest ELK, DEER, PHEASANT, QUAIL, DOVE, DUCK, GEESE for under $200 year, enough to eat wild game for every meal. I live in the fruit belt of Idaho. Mostly I am not a consumer that is how I live. I still enjoy life immensely when I am not butting heads with people who refuse to acknowledge the truth instead of belief. Not speaking of you personally though you are struggling yourself.

Fishing and hunting guides are so controlled in order to control supply and demand. Just like OIL. They only give out x-amount of licenses so those who get them make enough money to justify the career choice, same as welfare. Nothing is as it seems. Besides, if I became a hunting or fishing guide I would not have learned how to control my immune system or the immune system of others.

Our government is not trying to cut off food stamps or any kind of welfare, them simply put up a front to make it look like they hear the pleas of those who want less people on welfare. Voters are not capable of thinking for themselves. They cannot be told how welfare benefits the wealthy as much as the poor, it exposes too much.

Our economy would not exist without poverty the same as it wouldn't exist without disease. Government assistance goes right back to those who produce the goods the welfare is spent on. Other than the idea of "free loaders" welfare is VERY insignificant but absolutely necessary for the survival of the middle class and upper class.

I have attempted to teach people online how to use their immune system but I get little to no interest. The problem with adapting the immune system to full immunity is that it should be knowledge passed from generation to generation. It can't be sold so society chose medicine over immunity because medicine can be sold.

ALL EFFECTIVE natural medicine is based on what happens within the subconscious minds of the healer and the patient. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS?

If you can figure out what happens when a person is CURED through natural medicine you will know what it is I do. You will also know it is done through a cooperation between the conscious mind and subconscious mind.

I cannot demonstrate a subconscious mental signal online or in a book and you can duplicate a subconscious signal unless you experience the signal firsthand in person. If you take the time as I did to research the healing behind a placebo/alternative medicine you too may learn to develop the ability to signal your immune system.

Your choice to learn is to learn as I did or to learn from me. I had a better chance because when I started researching there was still effective natural medicine to research now other than myself, there is NO ONE capable of delivering effective natural medicine so it leaves me. As far as I know I am the only person who focuses on the signals sent from brain to body in order to control the immune system, everyone else is using placebo products hoping an lucky cure will happen. I make it happen.

If you were sitting right here reading a book beside me I could subconsiously communicate with your body without you even knowing it. The signals that control the immune system or in your case the signals that do not exist for you are what is required to be healthy. They should be completely involuntary and or instinctual but you have been taught to use science instead of your immunity so your subconscious immunity set mostly idle leaving you susceptible to disease.

In actual healing no words need to be exchanged, no touch and certainly no products. So you tell me how I would teach you to use a conscious to subconscious signal over the internet. All I can do is create the signal as a demonstration and YOU ARE subconsciously trained.

The demon healing you speak of in South American is just another modality. You bought into the propaganda. Acupuncture or witch doctor, there is ABSOLUTELY no difference. Both rely on the science of sending and receiving signals, but in the case of acupuncture and witch craft they rely on dumb luck where as I rely on the science. If you suspect my work is demonic, then you have to consider driving a car demonic or typing a response to this comment as demonic because the signals you use to drive or type are VERY similar to the signals you should be using to control your immune system.

Here is a scientific fact, your body detects every single signal around you. When you are with a friend or family member and their body is sending signals back and fourth from mind to body whether it be driving a car or healing a scratch you body also detects those signals. You have personal access to every signal sent or received by anyone near you. The signals are wireless, and your brain transmitter and body receiver is on the same frequency as every other human being. When you send a signal to type you get a physical confirmation that gives you confidence to keep doing it, with the immune system there is no immediate confirmation so you have no confidence in it, however I can teach you how to confirm it. People in alternative medicine use to be able to confirm it but not any more.

The reason you feel I am evasive is because I am not telling you what you want to hear. That is why I am on welfare by the way. I just told you in as much detail as humanly possible on what it take to learn to heal but I know it is not what you wanted to hear so it will be dismissed most likely as evasive.

You cannot verbally control your immune system nor can you physically control it. It is the signals you cannot see or hear that control the immune system. If I tell you what you want to hear you will not learn to be in control of your immune system.

Our downfall is technology. Technology destroyed natural healing. Before technology one healer learned from another as an apprentice allowing for the subconscious training. I doubt the effective healers of the long ago past ever even knew it was all being done by the subconscious and not the modality.

Everyone wants to be trained online. It cannot be done. I might be able to coach a person to train themselves but because I cannot tell people what they want to hear because what they want to hear is WRONG, I get no interest. Everyone wants something as convenient as a pill. That and the fact that ANY belief will destroy the communication between the conscious mind and subconscious mind. As long as humans function on 90% conscious belief their subconscious mind has only 10% of conscious prowess to work with. When they say man only uses 10% of their


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you CJ for the heads up. You know True Cures much better than I do. I scanned his comments and hubs rather in a hurry mainly because so much is a re-hash. It is difficult to figure out where he is coming from, but if it is not from God there is only one other place where it comes from. You are right in telling me to be careful.

There really is a lot of corruption within the American medical field. It has become big business which puts the dollar in front of the patient. I am sure there must be some kind of cure for cancer with all the money spent trying to find a cure.

On the other hand, mocdern medicine has wiped out disease that used to be massive killer. Look at smallpox for instance.

There is good and evil in all things. There are awesome doctors who really want to help people then there are others who even make their living doing abortions.

Medicine has becomne a complicated issue, and I doubt that True Cures has done anything all that great, if he had people would be lined up outside his door. He may have good intentions, but false hope is a bitter pill.

Thank you CJ for your insightful comments.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures I will be back to comment on your comment when I get home from town,

And...if I don't want my dogs to get Lyme's disease AGAIN, I use Frontline. I hate it but I would not want my dogs to suffer, and I do not believe you when you say your dogs are immune.

I will comment later, I have to go now.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ, you are a liar, I have told you before about using the term "fountain of youth". Your are belligerent and argumentative, too very poor examples of being Christ like or a disciple of Christ.

I believe in the wisdom of the bible and that means I believe the bible when you do not. You only like the part about how if you "believe" in Him you will be saved. The rest of the bible is clearly insignificant to you but a great power to me.

The bible tells what a disciple of Christ is and you do not fall into that category so that is why I question the Christian religion. I am not attacking you, I'm attacking your religion that allows you to dismiss the bible almost in its entirety except the part where you will be saved.

You choose to ignore the scriptures that DEMAND you avoid the ways of the world and seek treasures in heaven instead of treasures on earth. If the body is created to WORK without the use of worldly products and worldly beliefs and that knowledge is what I am trying to share how would it be possible for me to be loved by the world when the bible says a person doing His work will STAND ALONE?

I don't expect you to answer that, I have seen no evidence of you being a believer in the bible and if I am to be judged because of my doubts about the "Christian" RELIGION, I expect God will be somewhat forgiving of me avoiding all the false doctrine taught or lived by the "Christian Religion".

My work is not a miracle cure and is not a fountain of youth, it will not make a person live forever it will simply make a person capable of immunity. IT WILL HOWEVER destroy the world economy so tell me how popular should that make me?


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I know you don't believe me when I say my dogs are immune. There is no way you can. Very few people can be convinced a dog can eat raw meat and raw bones. It's just the way it is. A dogs immune system is fed by a natural diet of meat, bones and fur. I cannot control their immune system but dogs do not have beliefs systems do I do not have to contend with any brain washings.

I feed them correctly and have taken very good care of them since they were puppies. I cared for them in a manner that allowed for them to develop their immune systems where as everyone else sabotages their pets immune systems and now believe they must rely on meds for their pets, despite the fact that vaccinated and medicated dogs and cats die as often from Parvo as dogs that have not been treated. There is no evidence of medicated dogs being any healthier than unmediated dogs. Vets make a healthy living off well medicated dogs and my dogs have never required any vet care though I would like to get my older female spayed and probably will.

Why do I avoid meds for my dogs? Am I irresponsible? Gracie is 7 years old and will hunt through the thickest of weeds for a solid 6 hours without slowing down and wake up the next day just as spry as she was when she was 2 years old. Other hunting dogs are typically done in a couple hours of hunting, not slowing down just flat out DONE.

My dogs have never been sick. Gracie broke her leg trying to jump over a lawn mower that was left in her favorite path unexpectedly. She did this when Heather called her into the house so she could pick me up at the airport. When we got back 4 hours later the bone was set with a very large calcium deposit, set as solid as a rock in only 4 hours. She limped for three weeks before she put weight on it. My neighbor the vet assistant said she would limp the rest of her life. I took her out opening day of pheasant season about two months after the break and she started limping after a few hours of hunting so I took her home and waited a few days before taking her out again. She never limped again and now the calcium deposit is almost completely gone.

If a dog is sickly it is because their owners sabotaged their health the same way the owners sabotage their own health.

I have the third dog now to replace Gracie in the field some. I have no intentions of damaging or harming my dogs, I give them a quality of life that surpasses ALL others.

I will not allow "beliefs" to harm my dogs or myself and that is why we are disease free and immune.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Hey, True Cures: Maybe you should write a book entitled "how to live forever by simply consuming baloney," and then go on to preach about your oracle status and wanna-be guru claims of utter knowledge of nothingness. Mind over matter got ya down? Does Telekinesis or Psychokinesis really exist?

Do you really think you are totally immune to all diseases and have the cure for everything?

What a joke! Thanks for the laugh... LOL!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I have natural immunity. I have these things sometimes referred to as organs and glands that all work together to provide me with an effective immune system. I can drink water from creeks and lakes, I can eat pork rare, I can leave food out on the counter over night and then some and still eat it without any fear because my glands and organs can kill bacteria and other pathogens.

30 years ago you would have been taught about your immune system, now the only thing you are taught is how fragile you are, how weak you are, how pathetic you are and how you must avoid all pathogens or shrivel up and die.

I look at your state of mind in your comments and imagine your physical state being on par with all other mindless consumer is I am the one laughing but my laugh is justifiable, yours is out of blind ignorance or, OR complete utter corruption because it looks to me you wish to keep people afraid of pathogens and disease. It looks like you promote failing immunity.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

"CJ, you are a liar, I have told you before about using the term "fountain of youth". Your are belligerent and argumentative, too very poor examples of being Christ like or a disciple of Christ." - True Cures

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Dang, True Cures, was it something I said?

David, if you continue down this path with rage as your constant companion, I fear you may succumb to the grave-effects of hypertension. Please keep in mind that stress is a killer.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, you will soon see the attacks flying here if you continue to allow me to visit with you. They won't take a claim of mine and attempt to dispute it, they will attack on the bases that it is absurd to respect the prospects of immunity or even improving immunity.

People think they have to consume something to "boost" immunity. That is why I refer to mundane as a mindless consumer. He or she isn't in control of their mental faculties and they are totally threatened by the possibility of being able to. It's just the way it is.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

"I can drink water from creeks and lakes, I can eat pork rare, I can leave food out on the counter over night and then some and still eat it without any fear because my glands and organs can kill bacteria and other pathogens." - True Cures

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David you claim to have a "gift", but then you keep saying that you can teach this to people if they cleared their minds. You then go on to say that you have done all this research during the past 20 years, yada, yada, yada.

If this is a gift, then it is something that you haven't earned. How then, can you teach people something that you did not learn or earn, but received from sources unknown?

Another point that you must know is the the Holy Bible instructs the faithful to, "Test the spirits, to see if they are from God." You call me argumentative (and a whole lot more), but in reality I'm just testing your spirit to see if it's from God. Know what? You have been placed upon the scales and came up wanting. You are, therefore, an agent that is set apart from God.

"...my glands and organs can kill bacteria and other pathogens." - True Cures

I know, I know, but I'm shocked that you left out the fact that you can command lightning bolts to shoot out your ass, thus vaporizing any and all airborne pathogens within a 5 mile radius, not to mention some small aircraft.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

"Mags, you will soon see the attacks flying here if you continue to allow me to visit with you." - True Cures

Oh, True Cures, you are a slick one, aren't you? The wording of this clever sentence undoubtedly was meant to plant a subliminal message into Magnoliazz's mind that she should protect you, so you can continue to poison her ears. Just know that I'm all over you like wet on water.

Do you also want to manipulate Magnoliazz through guilt - for the negative blowback you are so justly deserving? You make it sound as if she invited you as an honored guest into her home and that you are being unjustly persecuted by her neighbors and friends.

I'll hand it to you, David, you are one world-class manipulator. You remind me of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. The serpent found out that if he could capture Eve's attention and continue talking into her ear, his chances of corrupting her became excellent.

Like you, David, the serpent spoke just enough truth to suck Eve in...then she became too ensnared in his web of deceit and could not get out. Adam stood by and watched her slowly die. I, on the other had, intend to succeed where Adam failed.

As the Bible says, "Bad company corrupts good character"...and I will endeavor to see that this does not happen to Magnoliazz. You have my word on that.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ, I've noticed that the next best thing to attacking me personally is flooding my comments with rants.

First you claim I am selling a "fountain of youth" next you claim I am selling something I claim to be a "gift".

You can attack my character I you want and you can avoid the claims I make. What you can't do explain why I can drink water from a ditch and you can't.

What you can't explain is how I can use my immune system and you can't use yours. You can try to turn your frailties against me and you can do all that here because I cannot delete the garbage like I can on my hubs. Mags can if she chooses.

On my hubs I delete attacks to keep useful information more visible. Here you don't have to be civil because I'm not in control of this hub.

Let me give you taste of your own medicine, CJ your a liar liar pants on fire. It took me 20 years to work through all the lies you live by and that is why I know how the immune system works.

It's perfectly clear you have no interest in such knowledge so shall leave you to your own devices.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, you won't hurt my feelings if you remove all my off topic comments. They are indeed attracting people to my hubs and forum which probably isn't helping your credibility any.

You don't seem too overly concerned but some clearly feel I am the devil in disguise so if you need to protect yourself from my association you can clean up your hub without damaging our discussions elsewhere.

By the way, I did get your comment about needing to get back to my comment when you had more time. Now look at the mess that needs to be cleaned up. :)


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

"Mags, you won't hurt my feelings if you remove all my off topic comments...Now look at the mess that needs to be cleaned up." - True Cures

Why would you plant this thought into Magnoliazz's mind, David? Perhaps you are hoping she will help you clean up the crime scene, by getting rid of the damning evidence?

If you are getting traffic from this discussion, shouldn't you be happy? Shouldn't Magnoliazz be happy for you? Even though you stated this sentence in a way that sounds altruistic (thinking of Magnoliazz's best interest) - you are clearly only thinking of yourself.

"First you (C.J.) claim I am selling a "fountain of youth" next you claim I am selling something I claim to be a "gift". - True Cures

The reason I mentioned the fountain of youth is because you specifically said you had already found it. In fact, you said to me..."I'm not looking for the fountain of youth, because I've already found it."

In another post, you specifically said your alleged ability to heal with your mind was a "gift" and you did not know why you had been chosen. I am merely using your own words against you, True Cures, so please don't try to play ignorant, innocent, or the martyr with me.

The best thing Magnoliazz can do is leave this discussion up, so people can see you for what you are. If left unchecked, you will have people eating raw pork, ignoring all medical treatment, clearing their minds of useful information, and drinking stagnant water out of ditches. In my mind, you are the second coming of James Jones and are selling false hopes and trying to gain a cult following.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I'm starting a new question about Christians CJ, just for the likes of you. You won't answer it. You never answer my questions to you.

I may have my doubts about Christ and the Bible but I live more Christlike than you and I am not afraid of the discipline and structure the Bible DEMANDS.

I despise you CJ because you think being a Christian means simply believing in Christ and nothing more. Your "Christian" ethics no further than the ethics required to believe in, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny or the something without any propaganda religious undertones I the boogeyman.

Your a slacker CJ and I sincerely do not mind if Mags removes my comments because I did post them to draw attention to MY knowledge of the human immune system.

Naturally you can't answer my new question in religion but at least you can read it and wonder what it would be like to be a REAL Christian.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Okay, I am finally back the sheep were out and it took a while to round them back up again.

True Cures, I won't take any of this discussion down. You are right, I find it very hard to believe that your dogs are immune to Lyme's disease. I get all kinds of animals dumped on my road, and most have Lyme's. The deer herds also have Lyme's as do some of the sheep and almost every coyote I have ever seen looks like they have Lyme's disease. As far as I know coyotes are wild animals who eat raw meat. Just put some chicken guts out if you don't believe me. Yet they too have Lyme's so that kind of shoots a few holes in your idea.

Lyme's is a horrrible disease, I know one lady who woke up and was partially blind because she had Lyme's, and not even remembering she was bite by a tick. I have tried all kinds of natural ways to keep the ticks off the dogs and cats and none are 100 per cent effective. just one bite and they could get Lyme's disease and end up suffering in a horrible way. If you love your animals you have to protect them.

Our environment is somewhat toxic and it is just a matter of time before you find that out through your health. I would never drink out of any stream without boiling it first. You are playing with your health big time.

True Cures, you are a very confusing person as CJ pointed out, you just don't make entire sense all of the time. I like to give everyone a chance, you never know what someone might come up with. I still don't really understand how you boost the immune system of animals or humans so they are disease free. That is a big carrot in front of the face, to be able to help so many people and animals too.

False hope is a whole other thing.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures...how do you know what CJ believes or does not believe?

Now you compare yourself to Christ? Come on, we really are talking Jim Jones here.

Bottom line, you want to brain wash people into a certain way of thinking and when they tell you "No way" you get upset.

If you really do have something wonderful and amazing that would help your fellow human being you are going about it in the wrong way.

I want to give you your due, however, let's be decent to each other.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, you are right. I have no way of knowing what CJ rely believes. Everything he post here could be a facade and there is no telling what his real agenda is. We will never know his "belief" by his comments.

Now you are being argumentative Mags. Being Christlike is being Christian. Being Christlike means helping a person in need, even if it it helping them cross the street. I was called the devil many comments above. I was accused of "SELLING" a "fountain of youth" as if I am financially selling something. I was accused of "claiming I have a gift directly from God that no one else has" when every single one of you has the same ability I have.

Being Christlike is the ONLY biblical request in turn for ones salvation, that Sunday School 101. The ONLY way to serve Christ or God is to server your fellow man, NO OTHER WAY according to the scripture and the context is this, Christ and God do not need anything from us so to serve God one must serve their fellow man.

To accuse me of being Jim Jones, well if that is what it takes for people be comfortable in shirking their Christian duties well line me up and shoot me if it makes everyone feel better. I guarantee everyone will hate me and the scripture regarding the new question I just asked so call me Jim Jones if it makes you feel better.

I explained in great detail about what I have to offer and so far I have not had one comment in regards to that explanation. I got attacks. How am I to share something "amazing" if all it draws is attacks?

Being Christlike means turning the other cheek. I have used scripture to defend my position.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Here is what I will do to be more Christlike/Jim Joneslike. I will turn the other cheek when I am attacked and will only answer any concerns about the explanation of what I do and know.

I will only answer comments that are not argumentative.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

About the dogs Mags, your lyme disease is like our west nile disease here. Just like West Nile many animals carry the pathogen associated with Lyme Disease with no ill side effects of the pathogen.

The reason my dogs remain healthy is because of their environment and their feed. The coyotes here are extremely healthy and twice the size of your coyotes because. I'm not picking on your coyotes, its just the way it is. Our area demands a certain adaptation so unlike the coyotes in Texas or your area they stay very healthy here.

As for lyme disease in human, it is not difficult to cure or be immune to. My forum exist because of a client who had Lyme Disease. He saw me, was cured and then banned from a Lyme Disease forum for talking about it so he started the Healing Underground so people could discuss cures without being banned.

A person with a healthy immune system will be immune to lyme disease and West Nile. Most likely the two diseases are the same. There is no scientific evidence that the disease known as Lyme is caused by ONE specific bacteria. Lyme Disease has as much false propaganda behind it as any other disease.

You probably know already that the symptoms of Lyme are the symptoms of another half a dozen diseases. You probably know that it takes thousands and thousands of dollars to get tested and diagnosed with Lyme and you probably already know that once diagnosed with Lyme there is no medicine to allow for much improvement so the money for getting diagnosed is pretty much wasted.

Happy well fed coyotes remain healthy and immune. Droughts effect them as well as other environmental issues such as overpopulation and such.

Today is going to be busy so I might need some time to comment on any appropriate comments towards me.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

An afterthought to help you understand. If you were to take one of those more sickly coyotes and feed it a raw chicken every day or every other day it would most likely become perfectly healthy and completely disease resistant.

Any dog with severe allergies can just about be cured by raw meat. Feed a dog raw meat long enough for it to develop and then if you need to take it off and feed it the garbage commercial Iams dog food and will likely remain cured of the allergies though the food was a major cause of them in the first place.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

@True Cures: You speak against argumentative verbiage, while often times you provide more than the people you "debate" with. You sound more & more like a desperate chap trying to sell an inane idea, yet you speak redundantly about things a Junior High student should know.

Yes, many of us are all for the "natural remedies & cures" and shy from synthetics and asinine drugs, but you do not have some miracle cure nor have the know-how to provide it.

A lot of things boil down to genetics, and a person can be drunk half of their life and smoke tobacco all the time and eat poorly, yet still outlive somebody who feels they are in a constant state of Nirvana while being enlightened with your bogus all-knowing knowledge of nothingness, even if they eat fruits and veggies all day, and so on. Sometimes things just happen, and perhaps you need to come to grips with reality, dear challenged one... :/


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Insane Mundane, I "believe" I sound like I am selling something no one wants or can possible believe in.

People who make a living off natural remedies or western medicine do not want to lose their livelihood and the rest just cannot believe they have any control over their immune system no matter what I say or claim.

So far I have seen no evidence of any even considering that they might have some ability to control their own immunity so it makes for a bit of a lopsided conversation that will appear to be a debate. If I cannot get any consideration for my claims how can it be anything other than a debate?

For the record, there is no scientific factual evidence of genetic disease, just hypotheses that are not allowed to be disputed at a public level. Many diseases appear to be genetic because the disease causing pathogens are passed from generation to generation from close proximity or through the womb. I know that will not draw much consideration and only open more debate, but the facts are all medical knowledge in regards to genetic diseases is hypotheses or best guess what I like to refer to as hearsay. "THEY" say and because of "THEIR" credentials it is accepted as gospel.

You could be more civil by the way but I will take what I can get in the way of discussion.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Oh, dear... Now you are going against genetics... I'm not touching that, as it would be like trying to tell a kid to not stare at the sun.

As for the other, you do have trouble with "beliefs" evidently, as you exclude the "mind" in the areas that count the most, yet you promote the "mind" to be the cure, all at the same time.

You come off like a scrambled egg, never a clear-cut white from the yolk, just a reaction to other peoples' comments that fills the bill of your immunity campaign.

In all seriousness, what are you trying to say that we already don't know?

Yeah, the drug industry sucks!

Praise be organic food!

To hell with artificial growth hormones and the over-use of antibiotics!

What?

We do have a little control over our immunity, and being happy and active in thought, can take a person a long way.

BUT, there is no cure-all for mankind, as death is just as much a part of life as birth. In fact, some mystics, whether failed or not, think that 'death' is erroneously defined... Go figure...


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

NO, I do not praise organic foods or have any use for them or any fads, I praise the immune system and only the immune system and no I do not believe the genetic HEARSAY. Show me any medical GENETIC DISEASE information that is not HEARSAY and I might appreciate something in regards to genetics and disease.

Quit pretending I am trying to suggest man can cheat death. I'm very tired of that garbage, I'm not saying that because death is inevitable. However children dying of cancer is PERFECTLY preventable.

I don't have anything against the drug industry, I'm against the arrogance and ignorance that prevents people from using logic, reason and their own immunity.

My body can process all the growth hormones and all the pesticides, than God if there is one because every breath I take has more toxins than any full meal of commercial food I can eat.

Insane, you are a product of the information age. "THEY" tell you and you pick and choose what you want to "believe" the problem is all the choices are wrong which makes all choices ideal for capitalism and profit.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

For all those who insinuate that the idea of full immunity or myself is demonic or Jim Jones like I refer you to these scripture that a lovely lady found for me on my hubpage question. CLEARLY if partaking of the sacrament unworthily can cause weakness, sickness and sleep/death there is an alternative to being weak, sickly and dead! So when I know this scripture to be factual and I am the one being called unworthy or unrighteous you can now understand my doubts about mainstream "Christianity".

1 Corinthians 11:17-34

King James Version (KJV)

17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

True Cures chirps it up real big on other people's Hubs, but when you go to comment on his Hubs, he'll delete you in a whim if you disagree or make a point, and then call you "uncivil." What a joke, this poor chap really is... We better leave him alone, though, as he/she/it does seem to come off as highly unstable in the most precarious manner... :/


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

You can repost your comment if you can do so without the attacks. You may like to call names and debate, but I don't care much for it and I can control the tone on my forums.

If you disagree with my hub, post why. If you want to challenge a claim, do so. Here you can spit insults and I will have to take it or leave it but I can keep my own hubs civil.

If that makes me unstable, well I guess it is what it is.

Of course there will be very few comments because there isn't much to dispute when you share indisputable facts so all you can do is attack.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Fair enough, True Cures... Go ahead and blast your beliefs on a question page that was inspired by you, here: http://insanemundane.hubpages.com/question/180515/...

Actually, with all that has been said and, also, deleted, I could care less about what you think is civil, and it would be nice for you to spit out what you think is "full immunity" without all the superfluity of verbiage; thanks!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I commented on your question and you will notice I remained civil. I am aware that my comment will not be popular because it goes against popular "belief" but lets face it, popular belief comes from an industry that fails to cure just about every disease that most other lifeforms are immune to.

As for my explanation for "full immunity" I post enough here for Mags and not one comment was made or one question. You assume a lot, to think I can explain immunity to you when you cannot recognize that your entire understanding of health and disease is based on pure medical speculation.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Don't be a fool, kiddo, I actually wrote a blog about health & physical fitness and, believe it or not, most of it was fueled by experience - not medical journals! Yay!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Was your blog based on information accumulated through the internet?

My blogs are based on actual consistent cures and actual consistent healing that started first from inconsistent placebo cures and healings.

I'm certain if you have actual knowledge about healing you too will be helping people heal. Yay!


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures, Could you just please tell us right here and now how you create a super immune system? Please stay on course and don't go off on a tangent, just tell us in plain words how you do it.

You are right, it is all about loving and helping each other. If I can help someone with this information I will be grateful to you for the rest of my life. I am not going to be jealous that you are more intelligent than I am. We all receive gifts from the Lord, if he blessed you with the gift of being able to heal and help others, all I can do is be happy about that.

Please, just tell us what you do to heal people.

Thank you.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

You take the Red Pill! Not the Blue Pill.

That's what you want. You want me to wrap it up into a package that your "belief" system will allow you to appreciate like a pill or a miracle product or mind over matter woo woo medicine. Every "belief" you have in regards to your health is a hypothesis and you want it to jive with my explanation. IT WILL NEVER LINE UP or HAPPEN.

I'm not yelling at you, just allowing you the opportunity to change your "belief" structure in order for you to create a base for the wisdom you will have in order to begin to comprehend what you are capable of.

If you can't tell me where my detailed explanation lost you, you haven't a base to build on. Sorry. Everything you know about health and healing is science fiction which why you or your doctor cannot cure anything or control anything. It is what it is.

Show me SOME indication that you are capable of understanding real science and human capability not the science fiction you have been fed all your life.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

My dearest Edelweiss:

I can guarantee that if "True Cures" knew anything substantial about natural immunity, his life expectancy would be less than 72 hours.

For instance, take the poor chap who invented a carborator that could get 100 miles to the gallon back in the 1950's. As soon as he made his invention known to the public, he was dead within 72 hours and the U.S. government somehow laid claim to his patent - which has never seen the light of day.

There is no way a man, woman, or child will ever be allowed to live to see old age, if they challenge the power structure or threaten one of Corporate America's sacred cows. Big oil and Big Pharma are just two of those sacred cows.

I think threatening the health care industry and Big Pharma, as "True Cures" has done, can be likened to placing a life-sized "bull's eye" right in the center of his chest.

If he is legit, he is as good as gone. If he is deemed a "flake" by the powers that be, he will be allowed to continue his rants, because he has been deemed a "useful idiot", which only adds credence to that which he rails against. Subsequently, if anyone out there actually does have something substantial to say on healthcare, this "True Cures" fella will kill any chance they have at being heard.

The very fact that he is alive and the very fact that he has been harping on this subject for so long, means no one takes him seriously - not even those who could be potentially helped by him and those who would be potentially threatened by him.

As far as I see it, a broken clock gets the time right twice a day and if enough arrows are shot into an apple tree, one is bound to hit an apple. These rare bouts of success cannot justify the amount of time and effort that has been given to this man in hearing the same argument ad nausium. How many different ways can one man repeat the same mantra?

I think we have seen what he has to offer and it's time to move on. He has been given more than enough time to prove his case, but he is either unable or unwilling to be forthright and truthful with his audience.

I'm sorry, my dove, I should have said YOUR audience. For a minute there I forgot that this hub was about America having more oil than Saudi Arabia, and not about "True Cure's" shameless attempt at using your hub, popularity, and good graces for his own self-glorification and self-promotion.

Frankly, this hub is way off topic and this ship is so far off course that it will be lost at sea unless quick action is not taken. I believe this man will take over each of your hubs, in like fashion, unless you set up some boundaries.

I propose that if any of his future posts turn toward self-promotion or do not relate to the topic at hand - that you delete his post forthwith. He just strikes me as such a self-centered ego-maniac, that he will not even respond to another's hubs. It's all about him, day in and day out.

We know where to find True Cures, but we don't want to find him here, when all we want to hear is what YOU have to say. It's just not right that we have to hear him bellow day and night on your front porch.

Am I wrong for wanting to visit with an old friend and engaging in meaningful dialog without having to alot precious time to a troll?

In servitude and in gratitude - L.R.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures,,,I gave you the chance to explain yourself and all i hear from you is the same old stuff about my belief system. How do you even know what my belief system is? Please read Lone Ranger's comment. He is right about this. You hijacked this hub. If you really did have something life changing to tell us, if you really did have something that would help babies dying from cancer, I feel you would have told us by now how to boost their immune system and make them better. That has not happened.

Your ego gets in the way. If you really want to be "Christ like" ( A new age label that I find very offensive by the way) If you really wanted to be Christ like you would get rid of that huge ego you have and be humble and try to help those who are truly suffering. I am betting that YOU never suffered, really suffered in horrible pain a day in your life. If you did, you would never treat the subject so lightly.

Lone Ranger, I will heed your advice. Your good common sense is always welcomed here, and thank you for your friendship and protection.

True Cures, from now on, can you please stick to the subject of the hub? Thank you.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

"How to boost their immune system". Mags, I can't help you or the Lone Ranger because my goal is not to "boost" the immune system, too weak a goal.

You assume I am talking about "boosting" the immune system because that's what comes to your mind when you think of improved health and healing. When someone says "herpes" you think "incurable virus" because that is what comes to mind. When ever I say something to you, "something" you have been taught by the "powers to be" Lone Ranger mentioned come to mind and I am instantly dismissed.

So, Lone Ranger just how much of a threat am I if you and everyone else instantly dismisses my claims because they do not jive with THEIR popular belief? Wooo, I'm sure they are scared to death of me and my blogs when in 20 years I have never ONCE trained a person to heal others because NO ONE else is willing to dismiss their popular belief IN ORDER TO be trained.

Now that the powers to be operate the media and any source required to share the knowledge of human immunity, mind you I'm speaking of the same immunity deer, elk, bear, beaver and rats enjoy, it pretty much leaves me to butting heads with one or two people on the internet. Wooo, makes me a serious threat.

You all have been raised to take great pride in yourselves and your knowledge and the powers to be see to that. That is why you cannot be cured of diseases I can be cured of. That is why I am not a threat to anyone at all. If I cure 2000 people this year of herpes and cancer I'm still not a threat.

There may be a bulls eye on my chest, but believe me when I say this, NO ONE will miss me when I am dead because the people who have seen me have immunity and don't need me anymore and those who haven't seen me will never know I exist.

Now Mags if you want to assume you can comprehend what I know, that's fine but there is nothing I can do for you if you are insulted by how I have attempted to prepare you to understand your immune system and immune capability. For 40 years the powers-to-be have prepared you to believe what you believe today and you can't give me the smallest amount of consideration because you know it all already. You don't want to be taught, you just want to be informed just like the powers to be have been informing you your entire life.

Controlled Opposition, everything you and Lone Ranger think you know about a corrupt or evil government or industry is information the government or industry created for you to focus your frustration on.

People SCREAM bad pharmaceutical companies bad! And this is promoted by the medical industry because it gives you all something flashy to vent and act out at. If you quit screaming about the big bad drug companies and focused on the fact that ALL medical science is science fiction with the exception of SOME trauma science. If I were a threat to get that information out, I would be killed.

Insane Mundane is getting a lesson now. He is now learning there is no medical proof or even evidence that there is such a thing as genetic diseases with his new question.

I'm no threat to anyone because all the powers to be have to do is ignore me.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

LOL! Let me know, True Cures, when my lesson starts!

I feel the need to repeat the title to this Hub, in hopes it brings back relevance: "America Has More Oil Than Saudi Arabia."

I may actually come back tomorrow, and post a comment toward this Hub and not towards True Cures...

After this comment, though, I'm not replying to him.

Hey, Mags, if I was you, I'd delete any further comments that didn't relate to your Hub, and I can understand if you delete these last two; just saying... :D


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Magnoliazz:

I think you have a good plan on how to take back control of your Hub. It is too bad it had to come to this, but I think the Lone Ranger and Insane Mundane said what needed to be said.

It amazes me that even after you leveled a warning at True Cures about staying on subject, he immediately headed right back into his own little world, conveniently ignoring everything that you said.

Perhaps the Lone Ranger is right; perhaps the only way to stop this ship from wandering further adrift is to take back control of the wheel and rudder, thus dropping True Cures off at the next uninhabited island. :0)

I know it's hard to delete a hubber's future posts, because we all know this is not what you want to do, but this is no ordinary "hubber". This guy is a one man demolition crew that will scare away everyone from your Hubpage. He is like an invasive species of fish, that has taken over the entire river system.

I think this man is taking advantage of your kind nature and is rather sure that you will not "pull the trigger" on him. How else can one explain his brazen attitude and lack of respect?

I thought the whole point of Hubpages was for people to write what is on their hearts and minds and then showcase that information on their own Hubpage. I do not believe Hubpages intended for other writers to "hijack" other Hubber's in order to use their articles and reputation to promote one's own agenda.

Please pull the trigger on this man. He has already defied your wishes immediately after you issued a kind warning. He is betting you won't do it. Or he wants you to become so exasperated that you erase this entire hub.

Personally, I would keep everything he has written posted, as is, to act as a public advisory against this man and his magic tonic, then I would delete any future posts that are off topic or self-promoting. This done out of respect for your friends, guests, and in the spirit of Hubpages.

Wouldn't it be ironic if this man was actually working for Corporate America, and his sole mission was to impede and trample upon any thoughts that shed light on the important issues of our day (like this Hub and so many others you have written)?

If True Cures isn't a Corporate hack paid to silence conscientious objectors...he should be, because he sure is doing a great job for them. Just look at how he shut your hub down and chased so many of your readers away with a plethora of words, crazy talk, and insults.

May God bless you abundantly - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

The hub score here is 88 now and going to get higher. The adds are getting clicked and Mags is making money because of the back and fourth here.

When it comes to oil, who has the most or least is a matter of opinion because NO one of any reliability is in a position to share the facts about OIL.

OIL is like the health and healing industry, the less we know the more we think we know which makes us very easy to manipulate.

Unless you are knee deep into the business of drilling for oil, processing oil or selling oil you only have opinions and even if you are knee deep in the oil business chances are you are just like a medical doctor and still only knee deep in OPINIONS.

LOL, CJ is back. Slipped one in but I had time to edit. I'm destroying the hub here and the score, shame on me that this hub is more active than other hubs.


Lone Ranger 4 years ago

True Cures:

Yes, you are destroying the Hub here, you crazy puke. This hub has become about you...not about the article or the fabulous writer behind it.

I just followed Magnoliazz on over to your cancer cure hub and left you some enlightening information. I sense that I am dealing with a coward that will delete it, so with Magnoliazz's permission, I will post my response below:

"You were rude as hell on your hub to me Mags...Imagine me, 6'3" standing over you in a menacing state of mind and I rare back with one of my long arms to smack you for being so rude to me on your hub." - True Cures

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Imagine Magnoliazz's right-hand man, who is an imposing 250 lb weight lifter taking you by your scrawny neck and sqeezing. I am a peace loving man, but you can imagine the rest.

If I were you, I would steer clear of that kind of imagery, because your natural immunity will not save you from me. Don't you ever threaten her again or even put the thought of violence in her mind. You are one sick bastard.

I think as long as Magnoliazz pays you any kind of attention, that you will keep coming around like a rabbid fox. I pray that she ends her association with you soon, because life is just too short to waste any more time on you.

It's too bad your natural immunity doesn't protect you against mental illness and emotional instability.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I told Mag's LONG ago she could delete all my comments and she can. I'm sure Mags can handle her own hubs and I will dismiss your threats.

I did however create a question for you to answer. You go ahead and tell us in my question why I would be killed if I understood or could provide immunity.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Curse:

Where do you get off telling Magnoliazz that she has to do things your way, when she visits you on your homepage?!

You then said, "I told Mag's LONG ago she could delete all my comments and she can."

I cannot believe a sane person would think they command so much power over another individual that they become so brazenly dictatorial and controlling. If you can do this on the internet, I can't imagine how bad off you are at home.

Indeed...you are the second coming of Jim Jones, but without the following.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Because I'm the one who knows how the immune system works and why yours fails you. :)

If she wants to know how it works she will have to accept how it works. You can function on belief and she can function off of belief but she wont function with a proper immune system off of belief.

If she wants to learn or know she will have to do it my way or figure it out herself. :)


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Please excuse me from this hub. I clicked on few adds for your trouble.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Dear Magnoliazz:

On True Cure's cancer treatment hub, he stated to you:

"I use to heal long distance as well, but that was before I got caught up with consistency. If I were to talk to you over the phone and lead you to believe that I could help you over the phone your body will TRY to engage on behalf of the WISHFUL thinking and you would likely experience some relief and possible a cure."

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Do you see what is happening here? True Cures has now planted the seed in your mind to call him. I would not be surprised, by now, if he has sent you an e-mail with his phone number. If he hasn't yet...he will soon.

Then, if he can get you to hear his voice, in time, he can mesmerize you into believing that you are feeling better. He then will convince you that in order to be fully cured and learn his art, he must put his hands on you personally. In order to do this, you must let your guard down even further and agree to meet with him.

When that day comes, and he will do everything in his power to see that it happens, you will be completely ensnared in his web and he will use his power of manipulation to get you to do whatever he wants you to and it doesn't take much imagination to figure that out.

I guess I am at a loss on why you are encouraging him? In your own way, you seem to be giving this man credence and feeding the fire. He has been dangling his little hook around you and teasing you with his bait, but you don't seem to be too put off by it. I fear that if you venture even a little closer, the hook will be set and he will reel you on in.

You are treading in dangerous waters, Magnoliazz, and if you swim out much deeper, you may get in over your head and drown.

Dialoging with the devil is what got Eve into trouble. I am sure she saw some red flags, too, but apparently she dismissed them and wanted to hear just a little more until she was too far gone.

I'll keep you in my prayers and will pray for your protection - C.J. Sledgehammer

P.S. This true cures crap has got to be one of the best "pick up" lines I have ever heard.

By the way, Rasputin was not a man of God...he was known for whoring around with women...only God knows how many women this slick-talking Russian slept with. I think his mysterious abilities were on loan from the dark side and I think this is what True Cures is tapping into as well.

By the way, True Cures insinuated that I was your "boyfriend" in order to see your connection with me. He wanted to see if you embraced that notion or backed off on it. He wants to see if he can isolate you and how "available" you are to him. I believe, he must be highly encouraged after today.

Best wishes and be well - C.J.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

What a filthy weasel you are CJ. I wanted to leave this hub alone but you are too chicken shit to post it on my hub.

What part of "I use to" did you not understand? USE TOO = PAST TENSE. I don't do long distance healing because any IDIOT can do it as well as the next idiot. I have higher standards than that so there is NO CHANCE OF ME DOING ANY LONG DISTANCE HEALING you wretched little creep and COWARD!

Sorry Mags, I can't stand by and let CJ use lies to protect HIS love for what HE believes in. He knows what he can do with his beliefs and attacks now.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

"What a filthy weasel you are CJ. I wanted to leave this hub alone but you are too chicken shit to post it on my hub." - True Cures.

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Don't kid yourself buddy...I have no fear of you. It is true that I think you are a con-man and are emotionally and mentally unstable, but I only fear what you are capable of doing to those who will listen to you.

As far as not posting on your hub, well, you are known for erasing posts that do not smile kindly upon you. You even erased the part of your own hub, yesterday, where you used violent imagery against Magnoliazz because she upset you. You cannot even stand by the words that you, yourself speak...so whose the real "chicken shit" here?

The only thing I fear is that Magnoliazz will hang around you long enough that you are able to set your hooks into her.

You are enraged because I can read you like a book and I am too close to the truth for your comfort. You are a wolf that smells the blood of a lamb and you are closing in for the kill.

Indeed. You said you used to do your long-distance healing crap, but then you planted the seed in her mind that talking with you on the phone has produced some fruit in the past, so yada, yada, yada.

In fact, these are your own words:

"I use to heal long distance as well, but that was before I got caught up with consistency. If I were to talk to you over the phone and lead you to believe that I could help you over the phone your body will TRY to engage on behalf of the WISHFUL thinking and you would likely experience some relief and possible a cure."

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True Cures, we havn't known each other long, but you are already showing your mettel and have already started letting your hair down. I hope others are watching and taking note.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Oh, it gets even better.

I just visited True Cure's hub on cancer treatment and indeed, he did bring up the possibility of a house call. Listen to slick Willy planting the seed:

"It could take me years to figure out a way to teach a person the first step in controlling their immune system through the internet.

In a day visit I could teach a person enough to change their lives drastically but only if I can work it in between their existing beliefs."

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No wonder this guy is so enraged with me. I hadn't even read more than a snippet of his latest responses to Magnoliazz on his cancer treatment hub, before I knew what he was after and where he was heading.

Just after reading a little more today, I found that my suspicions were "right on the money".

Essentially what this con man has said, in effect, is "call me" and then "let's get together".


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ, call me and lets get together.

http://hubpages.com/health/Cancer-Treatments-Alter...

For those who prefer facts over CJ hearsay, this is the link to the hub he is referring to. Context is pretty important especially when it comes to your health or your understanding of your immunity or lack of it.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

True Cures:

Since you have already claimed Magnoliazz's hub as your own, I felt it would be okay with you to bring some of your excessive verbage here. This was done because you are known for your double-talk, erasing your opposition, erasing dissenting opinions, and for sanitizing your offensive responses on your Hubs.

"CJ, call me and lets get together." - True Cures

The Bible clearly instructs the faithful to "Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come closer to God and He will come closer to you." Then again, "Test the spirits to see if they are from God."

The Good Book also tells us that "Bad company corrupts good character." And, "You can tell a tree by the fruit if bears."

I do not need to call you or visit with you to know that you are into some really sick stuff.

I mean, how can I, or anyone else for that matter, know for certain that you aren't Idaho's version of Ted Bundy, using the ruse of true cures to suck your victims into a "day visit" that will change their lives forever?

I wonder how many lives Ted Bundy changed forever with just one "day visit"?


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

I wish that the greed would pass and true knowledge would prevail, so we could move past this silly demand for crude oil and step into the more advanced usage of free energy (solar, wind, or even water and steam via turbine engines, etc.), even if America has more freakin' oil than Saudi Arabia! To hell with petroleum! Oh, well, petroleum jelly is still cool, but that's another subject... LOL!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

LOL, I left this hub because I was off topic and knew it and here CJ is spying on my hub and reporting off topic here after accusing me of hi-jacking Mags hub.

As for CJ reference to the bible, yeah you remind me so much of a meek righteous "Christian" so let me consider your opinion for a second......uh nah. I won't waste my time casting my pearls before swine. You want to talk religion I have two hubs so you don't have to hi-jack Mag's hub more than you already are.

@Insane

I can't imagine those in charge ever putting true knowledge or what's right before profit. I have no way of knowing for sure but I suspect there is plenty of oil so I doubt we will see clean renewable energy replace OIL, too many "important" and powerful people with their hands in the cookie jar. But we can hope.

And HEY, who can't use more petroleum jelly.


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Dr. Fungus 4 years ago from Fungus Canyon, Idaho

True Cures is a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know why you guys are being so hard on him.

As he has said numerous times before - "It's all about Da Fungus!!!"

And a lot of you are wondering just what True Cures does to cure you.

One of his former patients claimed that "He probes you for a few minutes and then tells you that you are healed."

It is more complicated then that. He uses muscle testing to diagnose your illness, and then a form of "Quantum Entanglement" - now granted, this isn't the form that most of us are familiar with........ It has nothing to do with sub-atomic physics. In his version - well he is in the same room with you and he gets his subconscious to "entangle" with yours and he commands your body to heal itself - by killing all the bad stuff in it. The parasites and Fungus!!!!

And the best part is that you don't even need to know how to speak English!!!!!!!!!

Even if you only speak and understand Japanese, well this "entanglement" is sooo powerful that language don't mean nothing!

Some people have referred to it as an 'Old Jedi Mind Trick', or a Vulcan Mind Meld.

But that is unfair. This is "science" at it's best........................

True Cures has taken us into the 21st Century by completely smashing the old definition of science to little bits.....

This Dude is sharp! And you should show him all the respect that you think he deserves. That is what I do. He has completely redefined science and research. He is the only true authority on this.

Getting an education and going to college? don't need to do it anymore. Studying anatomy or physics or chemistry? Completely worthless. Using a microscope or developing and running Studies?

That is soooooooo 20th Century. True Cures is responsible for some of the greatest discoveries of modern times...........................................

There are NO valid medical tests. It is all a scam! They pretend to run em' when you show up at the lab, but if you are a prostitute they will tell you you have an STD, and if you re a preacher they will tell you that it is cancer.

There is NO such thing as cancer!!! Just a bad case of Da Fungus! Internal jock-itch. And herpes doesn't exist. Just external jock-itch. There is NOO such thang as a virus!! Just a scam by the establishment, and the scientists and researchers using the "Old" 20th Century techniques.

I've heard some people get mad at him because they are very upset that his Wife has to work her fingers down to the nub to support this Slug. While he engages in his "research" here.

Totally unfair. True Cures is a Genius!! And a God!!!!! And he knows more about Da Fungus then any of you saps here! And I think it could be best said that True Cures is just a big ole piece of Fungus!!!

God Bless True Cures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

!!!!!!!!! What in the heck is going on here?

CJ~ I would think you know me better by now. I would NEVER call or meet someone I met online. Posting on hubpages is far as it goes for me.

I am very interested in differnt modes of healing, and I have two life long friends who are researchers in this field. Actually, there are a number of people like True Cures around who can heal with the power of the mind. This is an ability that all humans probably had at one time, but somehow lost along the way. Its been documented that with the correct training that cancer patients can shrink tumors with mental intent alone. I simply wanted to know more about True Cures and the way he was healing people.

I am sorry to upset everyone.

CJ you and I have been friends for a while, I know that you have my best interests at heart and I thank you for that, but believe me, I am very careful about what I do online.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Dr Fungus, I don't agree with everything in your post, but I believe that True Cures has the ability to heal. I will be honest, I know little about that muscle thing. With the way True Cures and other like him cures, I doubt the muscle thing has a whole lot to do with it, unless they have to zero in to a certain area.

There are more and more people researching this field of healing or should I really say, this art form of healing, because medicine is not as scientific as everyone thinks it is. The younger generation of doctors are still brainwashed to a degree, but they are much more open minded and accepting to other modes of healing that may not make sense to the average person at first.

Did you know that when a scientist conducts an experiment his thoughts about that experiment will affect the outcome? Now that just blows me away. That has "profound implications" and that is an understatement to say the least.

A 100 years from now, maybe , just maybe people will be able to heal themselves through the power of their own thoughts. I am talking disease here, a serouis injury will always be the domain of doctors and hospitals. And thank God they are there for that.

Just a 100 years ago, people were living into their 80s and 90s without modern medicine. Not only were they living a long time, but they were able to fend and care for themselves until they died. There were no nursing homes to speak of in those days, at least not around here. Now, how did they do that? Was it genetic? I don't know, I don't think so.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, you are considering the means of healing I am involved with as a possible "art" form. The art was in figuring it out.

Here is something to consider, once a person consciously guides the subconscious back to a productive state and as long as the lifestyle is reasonable the conditioning can and should become completely involuntary.

Obviously we sabotage our bodies and minds with our lifestyles almost as much as with our beliefs. By the way, Dr. Fungus/Screendoor makes it her business to protect her Cure Zone forum. She needs people to rely on products to make her living and she will ban anyone who suggest otherwise, even long members of her forum.

If she has any reasonable complaint or dispute she could post them on my hubs and forums but she has no logical dispute just attacks. She found comfort in CJ's hubs.


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Magnoliazz:

This will be my last post on this issue and then complete silence will follow.

You said, "CJ ~ I would think you know me better by now. I would NEVER call or meet someone I met online. Posting on hubpages is far as it goes for me."

Well, that's refreshing to hear, my dear, but my comment was not about you in as much as it was about True Cure's intent. It IS his intent and desire to talk to people on the phone and it is his intent and desire to meet with them and place his filthy hands on them. Now, whether or not you abide by his wishes is up to you.

Look, the Lord set the human life-span at a maximum of 120 years. There is no wishful thinking, mind tricks, or enough positive mental imaging that is going to change that fact. God has appointed each of us a date with death, and there is nothing we can do to lengthen our days beyond His will.

We all are destined to die either before our predestined time (out of foolishness) or at the allotted time, set by God, regardless if one employs Oprah's "The Secret" or uses mind control, positive mental imaging, or has found the fountain of youth.

Another issue is that Christ and his disciples never talked about using their minds to heal themselves nor was this even a consideration within the church. In fact, this form of sorcery is never even mentioned (anywhere) in the Bible, unless one wants to infer its existence through divination, sooth saying, mediums, witches, sorcery, and the like.

It was always the power of the Holy Spirit and in the name of the Lord that people were healed. True Cures is either a liar, or he is tapping into demonic powers to commit this fraud, just like the Egyptian sorcerers who confronted Moses with their magic tricks and counterfeits.

It seems many people want to have mysterious powers and be able to do this, that, and the next thing, without calling upon the name of the Lord and giving Him all glory, laud, and honor.

If True Cures isn't calling upon the name of the Lord and healing in the name of Jesus (which he isn't), then he is practicing a form of sorcery. In an earlier post you warned him about this (God versus satan), but you seem to have, not only backed-off on that premise, but you now seem to endorse him wholeheartedly and claim that he does, in fact, heal people.

I warned you, that given time, he would get to you. This is why dialoging with a devil is never in anyone's best interest unless, like Eve, there is something one thinks they can gain.

Instead of injuring people through the use of hexes and curses, as some have done and may continue to do, he hopes to cure them instead...but intends to bypass the power of Christ Jesus in favor of exercising his own will and personal power.

As far as I see it, you are teetering on the brink. One slight move to the left or to the right and you will plunge over the side. The bad news is that I cannot protect you where you want to go and if you are walking outside the will of God and outside His grace...you may not have any strong arms to catch you WHEN you fall.

May Godly wisdom walk by your side - C.J. Sledgehammer


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ the liar says. "Well, that's refreshing to hear, my dear, but my comment was not about you in as much as it was about True Cure's intent. It IS his intent and desire to talk to people on the phone and it is his intent and desire to meet with them and place his filthy hands on them. Now, whether or not you abide by his wishes is up to you."

If I were Mags I would be horribly offended by this statement. You are really reaching CJ.

Mags read the comment where I said long distance healing over the phone is impossible and I think I am correct when I assume she knew there would be no phone calls to me or from me.

If someone wants to contact me, my preferred method is through my hubs or forums because if it is worth my time it is worth EVERYONE'S time.

You are despicable. I addressed your lies from the start and here you are still trying to corrupt and manipulate the truth of not only what I say but TRUTH in general. You are using your false religion to sway people to their death.

The reason you post here and not on my hubs is because Mags will give you extra rope here to hang yourself.

So CJ lets not pretend this is the last comment from you. You will be here as long as it takes for you to sway Mags and ever other reader.

THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME TAKING PHONE CALLS when an comment here or an email will work just as well. There is no chance of anyone visiting ME unless they want to be cured and no amount of lies you tell CJ will change the truth of my comments, blogs, forums or hubs.

You cannot dispute a single claim of mine because they are truthful and indisputable so all you can do is lie and slander, and that is the PERSON you are. You are a wolf in sheep's cloth. I know you call me the same but the difference is, every word out of me is virtually indisputable because of the truth and every word from you is a lie so who is the wolf in sheep's clothes here?

FOR ALL THE IDIOTS that said I would be dead if my information was true, WHY? All you idiots have to do is circle and attack. I can't rise above CJ's lies and he and Dr. Fungus know it and they will never quit. That's the world we live in where Christians are the worst people of all, just look at CJ.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

CJ- Come now, things are getting a bit out of hand. I recognize your concern, but please believe me I am not as naive as you may think.

I wanted to get down to the bottom of what TC was doing. A while ago he would have been called a faith healer. Now in our great arrogance, we believe we are above this simple gift from God. Does the Bible not say that we will be judged by our works? I would think that God would look at healing and be considered it to be a good work.

If you had ever watched young children SUFFER and die with nothing more that modern medicine can do, you too would want to explore every avenue to end the suffering, pain and early death that goes on each and every day in this country and around the world. Childhood cancers are EXPLODING and so far modern medicine has very little success helping these precious children.

There happen to be more people like TC around than people would probably think at first. They don't get the attention because people believe only science can cure an illness. Remember when the science of the day also believed the world was flat? Remember when the Church, in all its glory, greatness and wisdom, burned people for believing the world was NOT flat?

I think you are on the slippery sloop of religious zeal and arrogance, and I think you should get off your high horse before you fall off. I believe you are implying in your last comment that illness, disease, suffering is sent by God because that person is sinful and is not a good Christian. If that were true then Jesus would not haved healed a single person. If God wanted us to die at a certain age, then Jesus would have never raised the dead because that would have gone against the will of God.

I am not saying that we will not have those people who make up stuff and want to get attention, but I think we should hold off judgement until we actually know what the truth really is. Because the truth cannot be proven over the internet one way or the other, I think the best course it to simply remain civil to each other, and take what others say with a grain of salt.

Just because I want to pick TC brain with a few questions does not mean I am going off on the deep end or something. Let's just cut the drama, things truly are getting out of hand.

If you feel you must do something, then please pray to God that we can once again remember the gift of healing he gave us.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

CJ's response to your comment Mag's on his hub.

"CJ Sledgehammer 10 minutes ago from Somewhere west of the Rockies Hub Author

Dr. Fungus:

I left your post up, in part, because you seem to know a thing or two about the man, "True Cures". I also noticed that Magnoliazz deleted your comment about him, but has allowed him to attack all her guests at will, and allowed him to "hijack" her hub, while offering little more than a soft slap on his hand.

She seems to have taken a liking to this man and believes his claims, to the point of defending him against all opposition...even against old friends. I thought it was only fair that your voice is also heard.

I would like to suggest that you write your first Hub about your experiences and knowledge of this man, so this discussion can be taken up there and given due diligence. You may also e-mail me if you find it more convenient.

Please understand that I do not want my Hub to veer off course or become a "hub of contention", and I hope you will respect that. :0)

Peace be with you - C.J. Sledgehammer"

Mag's, I was very reluctant to check my hubpage notices this morning but my spirit was lifted when you stood up for common sense, logic, wisdom and the bible and it's true interpretation. I would like to say, thank you for defending me but the glorious thing about it is you didn't defend me. You didn't have to defend me, you defended what is true and reasonable through practical logic.

Naturally this has CJ uniting with Dr.Fungus. The two will continue to attack me, slander me, smear me and never ever make a logical dispute because they can't and that is why they hate me. But make no mistake, their will, will be done and that is what had me reluctant about my notices.

I use to be a Christian when I believed Christians were good people but I know CJ and 90% of the Christian population would burn me at the stake for saying God has created man to be healthy and to have joy and peace. I read that in the bible but like many scriptures they are dismissed so people can justify their own free agency to go against God's will in order to be more socially and politically correct.

No God does not curse people with illness or disease. According to the bible He allows people to have free agency to choose what they do. If we choose worldly ways it pretty much means we will not have the wisdom to choose correctly or wisely because according to the bible He is the Light and the Truth something that totally escapes CJ and Dr. Fungus unless they are purposely trying to hide the truth in which case, if the bible is true has a whole other consequence.

So your comment gave me some encouragement when I was seriously beginning to question if I was displeasing God by sharing my information with people who are clearly representing the "swine" in the scripture, "do not cast your pearls before swine".

You saw how CJ falsely accused me of trying to lure people into contacting me by phone when I said I do not take phone calls or do long distance healing. Now you can see in his comment to Dr. Fungus that he is the one soliciting personal private contact. Because I know CJ will be reading this, I will fill him in on Dr. Fungus and he will be pleased. See, CJ's interest in you is based solely on your profile pic and he will be happy to learn that Dr. Fungus is indeed a very attractive young lady with considerable wealth. Dr. Fungus and I have met in person in NYC under false pretense. She pretended to have herpes in order to meet me to see what it is I do so she could save her business the Cure Zone.

The only good side to CJ and Dr. Fungus is the simple fact that my information is indisputable and no matter how they hate it, it will expose the fraud of Dr. Fungus's Cure Zone forum and the entire medical industry with the exception of trauma medicine and the rare effective forms of medicine the industry offers.

There is nothing civil in CJ or Dr. Fungus. They will never discuss my claims, comments or topics they will simply create fictional slander and libel and the masses will believe them and that leaves me questioning whether or not I should even be concerned about helping the masses. Should I try to help people who are so eager to believe CJ and Dr. Fungus? People don't want facts, they want drama.

Feel free to delete this comment. I simply wanted you to know what you are getting yourself into. If you choose to investigate the truth of the human immune system you will run the risk of the same attacks. You could become a target just like myself.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

GoodMorning True Cures

I know what you mean about not even wanting to look at your comments. Hopefully things will settle down now that CJ and Ms Fungus Queen have joined forces.

This reminds me of grade school, I cannot believe adults can act this way.

I don't know why CJ said I deleted MS Fungus Lady's comment. I did no such thing. I left it up there because it says a lot more about her than it does about you! I actually thought she was a made up persona at first as she only has one hub.

So now Ms Fungus , with the help of CJ is going to write a hit piece on you, well that should be interesting indeed. Once again it will tell more about them than about you. With as hateful and full of anger that Fungus is in, she will never master any kind of healing technique at all. I am going to totally IGNORE both of them. Just wait until those two get into it, and it won't take long either, it will be interesting. But of course, I have other fish to fry as we say here in Wisconsin. LOL!! By the way, I love fishing!

Right now you are the underdog, but you are in good company, because not only was Jesus the underdog, he befriended other underdogs. Not only that but the clergy and powers that be were against him and said his powers came from Satan. Is this beginning to sound familiar?

You are right TC, I did not have to defend you, I simply stated the TRUTH.

It's a sad day when someone cannot even speak their mind without others going beserk. We have freedom of speech in this country, you have the right to say whatever you want. It really upset me when you were getting so conditioned by negative people that you did not even want to come out and tell me how you go about healing people. And, the whole thing of it is...the way you do it is not far fetched at all but as old as our ancestors.

Magic is only science that we do not understand yet. Just look at all the new technology that we have. A hundred years ago, people would have probably said all this was the work of occult powers. Satan gets the credit for all kinds of things. Even good things like healing. And here we go again. Like I said, they believed that Jesus healed and rose the dead with occult powers...and they killed him for it. Mainly because they were jealous that they could not do the same things.

Christians today remind me so much of those Jews. They are looking for evil in other Christians all the time. They want to control everyone with quotes from the Bible. Sure, there are some really great Christians, usually they are the Satanists that came over to our side. They are so humble, they never talk bad about anyone. We could all learn from them what a true Christain is. My next hub is going to be on that order, what a true Christian is.

I'm turned off to relgion big time. I believe with my entire being in God and Jesus because they work in my life everyday. But, I don't go to church because they are always condeming other people to hell and its sickening to me. Only God knows stuff like that.

When CJ implied that people are sick and suffering because of God's will, that was the final straw for me. People are suffering because right now Satan controls the earth. Why should any child ever suffer? What have they done to deserve that?

I hope this makes you feel better TC. Don't you think its just best to steer clear of controversary? I would imagine that the more you are exposed to the negative the harder it gets to do healings? I would also think that there has to be a profound sense of LOVE of all people to do these healings, because if there is just one tiny bit of disliking someone, would it even work?

Its real sad to think that CJ would be my friend all this time because of my profile picture. I have been tempted to post other pictures of me in some of my beauty hubs, but I always held off because my whole life I have been judged on my looks. It has opened many doors good and bad, but in the end, I want people to like ME for what I am.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

They don't put beautiful people in commercials and advertisements without reason. CJ will move on to a new fantasy with Dr. Fungus and by the way she doesn't hate me at all, she hates what I have to offer. She is not irrational either. She is cool, even cold and definitely calculating. She isn't searching for real knowledge or cures she is only protecting her livelihood something that could be considered admirable by many if not most. When I was allowed on her CureZone forum she quickly recognized the threat of cures without products or modalities but most of all her advertising accounts recognized the threat.

I was naive, I thought the Cure Zone "educating instead of medicating" was a site of it's word, a site looking for means for better health. It was a very valuable lesson learned. NOTHING is as it seems. The CureZone is about Dr. Fungus pulling down six figures a year without lifting a finger. It is no trouble for her to follow me around the internet, she has nothing but time in between her pilates classes and fine living.

It is possible Hubpages deleted her comment. They have deleted her entire hubs before. I'm a greater challenge than ever for her, I will give you that. When she and I first met I functioned and existed off of BELIEF and that made me a very easy target. I had my beliefs as to how and why people healed and did not heal. I shared opinions on the internet and it left me wide open despite the resulting cures. I did have some failures I had to pay for, all due to false personal beliefs.

On Dr. Fungus's hub, she and CJ will post hundreds of random comments under anonymous handles claiming all sorts of creepy things and the masses will believe them. My favorite post by Dr. Fungus was one she posted under largeMarge and I know she will get a chuckle out of this, she posted under LargeMarge that she (LargeMarge) paid me $5000 to have relations with her, I can't remember exactly how the story went, but apparently I broke LargeMarge's heart. :) After reading the story, even I felt bad for LargeMarge. Needless to say, Dr. Fungus is very talented and very cool.

5 or 6 years ago she could really do damage to me but now that I have removed all "BELIEF" from my current hubs and topics her attacks will only drive more people to my information. If I were wrong it would be VERY easy for a person to calmly dispute my claims. I am very open to being proven wrong that's what I cherish most because you can't grow if you cling to incorrect beliefs or notions.

CJ, on the other hand, he does HATE me. He hates me because I exposed him for what he is. If his followers make it to this hub or Dr. Fungus's hub CJ will loses all credibility. CJ lives by his lip service therefore he has no Christlike attributions at all. He is not humble, meek or honest. Not a righteous bone in his body.

You are absolutely right, God is not killing 8 year olds with cancer. But God did gave the parents of the 8 year old sole discretion as to how the child is raised and taken care of called "free agency". Make no mistake, I am not healing through divine nature. It is possible God softened my heart or helped me understand the purpose of the human immune system and how He created us but what I use to heal is right there for anyone to use, however and I quote one of my favorite quotes author unknown, "they have taught you to use science to emancipate yourselves from God and how He created you".

In a very simply and indisputable explanation, people have diseases because they choose incorrectly. To be worthy to partake of the sacrament one must use what God has given us not what science has given us. Now keep in mind, any true science is of God the problem is true science is a thing of the past. Science is pure commercialism today, going to the highest bidder and the outcome is already known before the research. In short, science today is closer to science fiction.

Your comment did make me feel better but it will not make people like you. People will like CJ and Dr. Fungus more than they like you or I. That is why I sometimes wonder if God's plan for me is to help those who so readily choose the ways of the world instead of the ways of God? I don't know. According to the bible you and I are suppose to have peace and joy. I enjoy healing people 95% of the time I am doing it without even donations but mostly I fight the likes of CJ and Dr. Fungus and I don't know why I do it. I could just give up on the cause. Lord knows it is rare that I ever get through to people. The only "Christians" I reach besides you are the "Christians" who have herpes. They are open to my information out of sheer desperation not for the sake of wisdom or truth.

Lone Ranger swore that I would be dead if I did hold the knowledge of real and actual healing. Why? Why would "they" need to kill me when the masses are so perfectly trained to dismiss me? Why would they kill me if CJ and Dr. Fungus can discredit me so easily with lies?

My goal is to move off the grid here in the mountains of Idaho and live as much off the land as I can. I would like to have an active forum that could still reach people who are open to the truth so that I could potentially train others to heal. I personally want out of the fight. The problem is finding someone else to take up the fight.

I know if I trained someone on the east coast they could be healing other 40 hours a week but that won't happen here for me in Idaho. The sad thing is, they will make a living curing herpes when they could be curing deadly diseases and saving children.

I like and respect you for the way you behave and think. Many of my readers like me for the way I behave and think but they do not have thick enough skin to defend my information leaving me hanging like a little worm on a big hook.

Oh, yeah the negative exposure and healing. Yes the more I am exposed the harder it is to do the healing but not the way you think. It is harder to reach people to heal, that is how it gets harder. I guess I could get rusty too but I still get enough locals here through word of mouth to keep an edge.

I would love to stir clear of the controversy but the nature of real healing attracts it. If I succeed in shaking a few people out of their "belief" system, something I have never done before I feel confident I can fully train someone and then and only then can I have a chance of making a difference.


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Dr. Fungus 4 years ago from Fungus Canyon, Idaho

Hey Mags. You said.......

"GoodMorning True Cures

I know what you mean about not even wanting to look at your comments. Hopefully things will settle down now that CJ and Ms Fungus Queen have joined forces.

This reminds me of grade school, I cannot believe adults can act this way.

I don't know why CJ said I deleted MS Fungus Lady's comment. I did no such thing. I left it up there because it says a lot more about her than it does about you! I actually thought she was a made up persona at first as she only has one hub."

Well Mags. Please go back and check the record. As the Moderator of this Hub...........

Well when you pull it up you see both the 'approved' and 'unapproved' comments. So it seems like my comment is here. But it isn't. Which is the only reason I posted it on CJ's Hub. Probably an honest oversight on your part.

And no... I am not a Woman. Unfortunately I gotta a set of hairy Boy's.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Some times it turns out to be false. And no I am not in cahoots with CJ. Although I may speak with him in the future. Or You. Just don't know.

My Best.........

Tommy


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Dr. Fungus a.k.a Blackngold a.k.a Positiveenergies a.k.a Posenergy a.k.a Large Marge and all the other handles you use on your hubs and forum,

I can say I have a pair of ovaries and my name is Tiffany but it doesn't make it true.

Unfortunate or not, if you had a set of hairy boys when we met in NYC you did a great job of disguising your true gender.

I doubt you have had any operations so I suspect you are still about about 5'7" to 5'8", lean with dark hair. I believe your car was a Lexus, I know it was black.

So you go ahead and try to alter your identity, the fact remains you cannot dispute a single claim of mine so you are left holding the bag and all you can do is make up ugly attacks and stories. The pleasant outcome today is every CureZone attack of yours drives people to my hubs and forum, every hubpage attack drives people to my hubs and forum and NOT one of those people will attempt to discredit or dispute a single claim yet many will recognize the truth.

It may not make much of a difference but every little bit helps and for that I thank you.

My Best........

David Flowers

1134 S Park St.

Payette Idaho 83661

P.S Now you give yourself a false last name to go with your false first name, post a picture of some random guy and tell us again how you live in a different state from your IP address or did you learn that lesson already?

Mag's we have a very long history, Dr. Fungus and I. She hunted me down on another forum and posted under her handle blackngold and because all she did was attack she was strongly reprimanded by the moderator. This was shortly after she said under the handle Blackngold that she was not from NYC like her alias Posenergy but her IP address proved indeed NYC.

So Dr. Fungus is correct when she said "Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Some times it turns out to be false." She herself hides behind aliases in everything she does which is why I no longer meet people in person without knowing their actual names. That keeps the wolves at bay.

Blackngold/Dr. Fungus, do not pretend that hubpages is above deleting your comments, they delete your entire hubs for breaking all their rules.

If you have a legitimate dispute or can show any of my hubs or claims are wrong do so on my hubs. You know I will only delete your attacks and false accusations. If you believe herpes testing to be reliable, please tell us what you think makes them reliable. If you believe herpes is a virus, by all means tell us why and support your belief. If you believe it is impossible that anti-gun groups would be bank rolled by gun and ammo manufactures in order to boost gun sales tell us why on my hub.

If you can't come up with a good dispute I guess you can always stay in your anonymous world of make believe.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

OK...DR Fungus, I went back to check ou your comment that you said I deleted,and on the label it said "Not spam" I clicked it and then it went to approve and I approved it. I think that comment is more funny than anything, and I doubt that TC will find it overly offensive, as he seems to have a good sense of humor too. I honestly did not know that it wasn't up there. Thanks for letting me know.

True Cures, you know, you can turn the comments off on any hub? If you want to get your message out, it would probably be better if there was not all this back and forth accusations. Its unprofessional.

You have very important work to do, and you just waste your precious time when you become involved in something that cannot be proved or disproved online.

Like all highly intelligent people you over think things to death. I don't blame you at all for being sensitive, to have your life's work brought down to this petty level is upsetting. However it is not good either to sit and stew in this muck, because there are people out there who need to be healed.

The medical field has always been controversial and always will be. What we think of as modern medicine today will be completley outdated 50 years from now. So why even argue about it?

Just wake up everyday, thank the good Lord you are healthy, then ask him what you can do for someone else who needs help.

I have a friend who is depressed a lot. It got really bad, I thought we were going to lose her. I fianlly got her out on the farm for a weekend. Some sheep got out of the fence and we could not find two lambs. I was worried, thought for sure they were good as dead with all the coyotes around. My friend sprang into action! She searched everywhere until she found the lambs, and later on she told me that was the best she felt in years! Why? Because she forgot herself and helped something or someone else. That is the true key to happiness, forgetting about yourself and your own problems and being of service to others. You are the kind of person who thrives when they are helping others. Just do it! Who cares what others think anyhow?

I met you on hubpages when you were arguing with someone on one of my hubs, LOL! That's not you at all, I know its not. You have better, more important things to get done!

Now as for Dr Fungus, you never know these days, or even days long ago! LOL...there are younger men who could easily pass as a woman. They usually have very pretty faces. We had a Green Bay Packer, forgot his name, he got traded, he was a black man, but OH, what a pretty man! I am not a real football fan, but for a while there I watched every game because he was just so pretty for being a guy. Of course this guy would never pass for a woman he was huge, but say he was 5foor 7 or so, and with the right clothes, he could have easily passed for a BEAUTIFUL woman! So, you just never know about Dr Fungus.

This sounds more and more like a soap opera every day! LOL!

Large Marge, that cracks me up!


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures, I just read a post by Screendoor aka Dr Fungus. I took it down but I did not delete it. Actually, at the time I was busy and just skimmed over it. But, now I read it through.

Did people really fly you all over the world in hopes that you could cure them? What happened?

If things had gone well, you would have a name for yourself. I have met very few people who were not grateful when they have been helped with dire health problems. These people should be supporting you now.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Screendoor/Dr. Fungus flew me to NYC to cure her of the herpes virus a very long time ago. She didn't have herpes, she simply wanted to see how I cured her CureZone members that I paid to fly around the country to cure.

The difference was, when I flew on my dime I stayed with family in Texas and treated a half a dozen people from the CureZone who reported on the CureZone that they were cured and they are STILL cured of the disease known as herpes.

You see, back then I was an IDIOT. I was dumb a HELL. I believed herpes was a "virus". When I went to Texas on MY dime I was there for almost a month. I did the FULL treatment on everyone and I followed up for the entire time I was there. I restored the immune system in the people in Texas as well as treated them for virus, BUT I had almost a month to do it.

Remember, at that time I was a FOOL and believed herpes to be a virus. My next trip was to Miami to see a dozen people in three days and then off to NYC to meet Dr. Fungus and another 13 people for 2-3 days.

Because I was an idiot and I knew I could not restore a person full immune system in only 3 days I changed and adapted my treatment to focus mostly on treating "viruses". I wasn't concerned about immune systems. I wasn't concerned about belief systems or the how's or why's, I simply knew all my previous patients who had herpes were cured and I assumed it was because I treated viruses in all my patients. Again I was an idiot, but you don't learn to control an immune system without trial and error.

So for the first two months I saw a lot of people for 2 or 3 days and not all of them were cured. Some like Screendoor/Dr. Fungus never had herpes, some had FUNGUS and some had OBs due to allergies but NOT one person had herpes because of viruses so boy was I the FOOL.

Dr. Fungus knows Techie, a girl from the same NYC group that has tested negative multiple times. Dr. Fungus knows other people from the same group who believe they were cured, though I myself never had an opportunity to confirm it.

Did they pay my way to fly? They got together and paid roughly $50 each to fly me to them, pay for a hotel for two nights and feed me. I flew all the way across the country and back without charging anyone anything.

As I said, Dr. Fungus and I have a long history. She banned every one of the people I saw from the CureZone, everyone but her because she owns the CureZone. I cured everyone of the people on CureZone I saw and they were attacked, deleted and banned.

You will notice that Dr. Fungus speaks for herself. Funny thing is, when she was pretending to have herpes and a few others in the NYC group were still having signs and symptoms of their herpes I suggested they try using antifungal sprays. I did that because in NJ one of the people had an OB covering most of their face and I told them to go home and put an antifungal on it and by the third day it was all but gone. It had been there for months and it so happened he had a prescription strength fungicide from a family member.

Anyways, Dr. Fungus/Posenergies/Screendoor/CureZone claimed she used the fungicide and made her OB's go away. LOL, at that time she was an IDIOT too, just like me. She thought it was absurd to suggest herpes was a fungus and she thought if everyone used fungicides I would prove to be more of a fool because she too believed herpes to be fungus.

As it turns out, what topical fungicides do not cure, prescription Lamisil tablets will cure with the exception of many cold sores or pimple OBs. The worst OBs are typically cured by antifungals like Lamisil tablets proving most cases of herpes are fungal.

Now that I shared that information I don't fly all over the world anymore. People go online and buy Lamisil and 80% to 90% are cured using Lamisil and my work has slowed to a crawl. The 10% to 20% not cured by lamisil cannot afford to fly me to them or to fly to me for at least a week. There are no more 2/3 day trips to cure people of what is known as herpes.

Now knowing that herpes is not a virus means no less than a week with me and preferably two weeks.

Two weeks with me is enough to cure any disease and I NEVER spot treat anything. I now focus on restoring the immune system and have little use for names of diseases or supposed characteristics.

Before me, there was no cure for herpes. Now because of me 80 to 90% are cured by online prescription drugs which severely damages the CureZone because she has hundreds of gimmick products that are sold to cure herpes and her members try every single one of them without ever learning better.

People don't have to use Lamisil to cure herpes, they can learn to cure themselves using their immune system but it will not be as convenient as taking a pill.

This whole explanation is found on my forum and has been posted in many of my hubs. I don't hide from my failures I learn from them. I didn't charge people when I flew around treating people.

AND NO AMOUNT of GRATEFULNESS will make a person openly admit they ever had herpes and were cured of it so NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE I CURE of herpes, it will not help build my credibility. WHY? Because they have no way of posting on any forum or hub but my own and then they can be easily accused of being me. They will be banned from all other forums, blogs and hubs.

I have a lot of friends from all over the country who stay in touch with me, who offer me advice, who fly me to see their friends and family but they do it all through the phone or email.

Dr Fungus is on the rampage because she knows I have learned from my mistakes and she knows that I will soon be training others to cure her CureZone members. I have failed to train others and I have made it clear that it will be difficult for the new trainees to learn if they are loyal to their beliefs.

Now Mags if you base your "OPINION" about me because of whether or not I have a name for myself because grateful clients you loose some of my respect. People with herpes, cured or not do not make good testimonies because they do not care to reveal their identity any more than Dr. Fungus. They know that the minute they claim they were cured of herpes Dr. Fungus will say they are not and because science says herpes is incurable every person who know the person by name will assume they still have herpes.

No Mags, Dr. Fungus is more than enough to prevent me from having a name as long as people focus on their "beliefs" instead of common sense, reason, logic, wisdom and truth.

You "believe" I would have a name even though you have no logic to base that belief on.

Here is the shitty thing about it, I have no desire to cure people of herpes. I would rather cure life threatening diseases or infertility but NO CHANCE of that. The ONLY people who find me are the desperate souls who cannot have sex while they are in their prime. They stay up all night searching for answers and they are the ones who stumble on my information. Now they don't even need me because Lamisil will cure most of them. You know I could remove every word about Lamisil off the internet and I would be traveling all over the world again, this time insisting on seeing people for no less than 7 days and maybe I would charge this time around. No one else will share the info about Lamisil curing herpes.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I don't cure through miracles. I worked my ass of without any finical rewards. I made many errors and failed many times and I learned from my mistakes and my mistakes have taught me that EVERYTHING I was told and am told is mostly fiction and that knowledge is what makes me virtually 100% consistent in curing all diseases today.

I can't make a crippled man walk or a blind man see. All I can do is help the body do what it is intended to do. I was an idiot when I believed herpes was a virus but I am not an idiot anymore. The idiots today are those who "believe" the human body cannot cures something as insignificant as the signs and symptoms associated with the diseases known as herpes.

Sure Dr. Fungus can harp on my failures and successfully use them to discredit me but how many of you people still use modern western medicine after they have failed you for 100+ years?

Dr. Fungus cannot dispute a single claim of mine or discredit a single claim of mine. I do not lie about my failures or try to cover them up. I would have NO chance of curing anything if it were not for failures. She can however delete you from her forums and hubs if you post positively in regards to my work and she can follow you all over the internet and attack you wherever you go with full immunity UNLESS it is not a health forum. She can make YOUR internet life a living hell but what she cannot do is dispute or discredit the truth.

By the way the picture for Dr. Fungus is a picture of myself. Clearly she is not above pretend. She started out with a crystal clear photo of me but hubpages made her change it.


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Dr. Fungus 4 years ago from Fungus Canyon, Idaho

Hey Mags..........

Again. As I said. It was just a big misunderstanding. You thought the comment was approved and it wasn't.

And now True Cures is on one of his typical longgg rants. Against me and a ant colony and everything under the Sun...........................

And YeS! True Cures spent close to two years on the internet trying to solicit people to fly him around the World. CJ was just looking out for you. And he would use stealth, and cloaks and daggers to get people to contact him "privately" on various websites and here on Hubpages. Mags. Everything is not how it appears to be.........

And no. I'm not - as True Cures has described me numerous times, in various places - "A Hot young black Woman with a cute Butt and nice Rack!"

And he claims I paid for him to fly to NYC so he could treat me for Herpes.

I am a 44 year old male - and the day I ever turn money over to this guy to fly him around the World or let him put his hand on me.............

Well maybe in a Boxing Ring..............................

Give me the word Mags and I will send you my phone number via the e-mail system here and you can call me and ask a million questions that need to be answered in a split second and you can determine for yourself whether I am packin' a penis or vagina and whether True Cures has spoken any truth here.

My Best.............................................................................

Tommy


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Let me correct you, I have spent 20+ years trying to reach people in need of cures, probably 7 of witch were spent on the internet, not just two years.

You have a way with words, by saying "And YeS! True Cures spent close to two years on the internet trying to solicit people to fly him around the World." when you could have said David has made himself available to people FREE of charge for two years. I have made myself available to cure diseases for 20+ years.

And had you not banned me from the CureZone I would be curing 10 people a day of course you would have lost all product sales and every one of your other supporters.

Give me the word Mags and I will send you phone number of a woman who will swear to be me. If you want I can give you a phone number of a guy who will swear to be President Obama. I can produce a Tommy myself and get you full credentials to verify him.

Anyways, Tommy why don't you take a claim of mine and dispute it. You said I failed to cure some folk and you noticed I did not dispute that. See how that works. Now let's move forward. What is your next dispute?


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Dr. Fungus 4 years ago from Fungus Canyon, Idaho

Mags. This is getting ridiculous so I will keep it short. The offer still stands. And you seem like a very intelligent person. This isn't an episode of the Twighlight Zone. So I think you could probably spot the difference between plastic and the rreal m'Coyy......

In terms of True Cures constant 'jawing' on about 'disputing his claims'.

They have been disputed and shot down numerous times over the years.

And Mags...... How Bout' a different take on this.

Why should I have to dispute that Venus is made up of Swiss Cheese??

Why be forced to jump through a million fire rings on the internet?

Shouldn't the Onus of Responsibility be on the Dude making the Claim??????????????????????

He should probably prove them before he gets mad at everyone else.......


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

I don't know about y'all, but maybe people need to drill for oil in other places (hint-hint) and, at the very least, think about living more frugal and quit raping this planet with dishonesty, greed, corruption, etc. There are so many alternative solutions and resources along with more natural ways to deal with problems, which creates opportunities and new discoveries, that it isn't even worth fighting for, once you understand that true knowledge does, in fact, exist......


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Hmm, "they have been shot down" Dr. Fungus? Seems like it would be easy to copy and paste one here. Seems like you would have littered your hubs with my shot down claims.

I did want to add Mags that I did see many of the people I saw around the time I saw Dr. Fungus who were cured later. Dr. Fungus influenced a few and now they still live with what they call herpes. She is a sweetheart hiding behind many anonymous handles doing what she can to save her livelihood.

Insane, no amount of discussion about OIL is going to change a thing.

It's funny how I am not entitled to make a few mistakes in my research and work that actually leads to consistent cures yet the medical industry and the CureZone fail with every cure and most treatments. Dr. Fungus gets to crucify me for my past incorrect HYPOTHESES and it will damage my credibility. Just goes to show how messed up this world really is.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

OKay TC~~ You make sense now, I was just wondering. It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong about something, and guys like that are usually honest too. For someone who does not know the entire history, it gets a bit confusing, but you cleared up a lot of questions I had. Human nature, being what it is, .....yes....I believe what you wrote in your first comment of today.

I have to go and read the rest now....will come back to comment again if I think I need to.

BTW THANK YOU! Thank you for being a good person who is trying to help his fellow human beings. Even being a nurse, I had no idea how much people with herpes go through. No wonder they were flying you all over the country and no wonder someone who is selling herpes snake oil is upset. There must be a huge market out there.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

LOL Dr Fungus!!

Now you are suddenly a black guy too?? I am betting you saw my comment about the pretty, BEAUTIFUL. black Packer, whose name I canot recall. Simms or something, he hurt his knee and he got traded. Now if you really are a guy like you say, you would know who he is.

LOL...I am betting you DON"t know who he is, because you are probably a woman. Woman are the ones who usually get into the kind of business you are in.


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Highvoltagewriter 4 years ago from Savannah GA.

MY GOD! who's hub is this anyway? It seems like "True Cures" has taken over shop here! If America spent more time drilling and less time yapping about it, "we" may get something done!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Highvoltagewriter, you are surely a high voltage writer but I bet you have never written anything that could or should change the world. So what if we got off topic, the off topic can change the world.

American isn't going to spend more time drilling because the oil barons bank roll the environmentalist groups for the sake of controlling supply and demand. The Oil Industry PAYS dearly to prevent excess drilling that would lower the price and profit of OIL so this topic is pretty close to wrapped up.

This hub is Magnoliazz and she is a big girl and brighter than most and she seems very open to the realistic issues at hand. The issues with OIL are the same issues with the health industry, the two are identical problems. Every thing you have been told on both subjects is pure hearsay and science fiction and as long as you and the masses dwell on B.S you will never stand a chance at paying less at the pumps or improving your health. Your not a person, your a consumer and I bet every hub of your drives the economy like a good little consumer would.

So if you want to get something done, start dabbling in the truth for a change. The only reason to drill more OIL would be for dropping the price of OIL and gas and who and the hell with any kind of power wants that? You? You don't have any power because your vote does not count or matter.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

@True Cures: Vague verbiage and a little inane drivel that you splatter online, doesn't save or change the world! Praise be the folks who can maintain their own generators via solar means... Less talk and more action, dear dimwit!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

You truly are a creep, hubpages is full of them and you are incapable of seeing the big picture because you are submersed in your beliefs system a bit of a superiority complex to boot. Because you are belief based all you can do is talk a good talk, that is the beauty of belief.

Now you probably believe buying a Toyota Prius is "ACTION" but what does it solve? Not a damn thing. The cost to drive a Prius is more than driving a regular vehicle and it isn't going to cause gas prices to drop and it isn't going to make the industry spend money on making oil burning machines more environmentally friendly.

You can talk all you want and you take our your popular BELIEF actions and you still are not going to make a difference. At least when I take action someone is CURED. You just play right into the hands for the people setting up the game. But you will never know because you love the game as much as you love your beliefs.

My verbiage is not vague, you just doesn't tell you what YOU WANT TO HEAR AND BELIEVE. You live in denial which is why I don't care to carry on anymore debates with you.

I have something to offer this world and I can't waste my time on people who can rise above their belief, and to be clear when I say belief to you I am also referring to brainwashing which we are all subject to, you more than most.

That's all I have to say to you so get your last words in and make them count.

I would be deleting your comments if they were on my hubs because of lack of quality content.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

There he/she goes again; look at all that inane drivel...

True Cares, are you on any mental medication?

Are you currently under the care of a physician?

LOL!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

It is generally "believed" that aluminum in antiperspirants are harmful to people. The Natural world of medicine tried to have aluminum banned from antiperspirants and the FDA came back and said there is NO evidence of the aluminum in antiperspirants being harmful. That was one of many "BELIEFS" that seriously damaged the human species ability to adapt, evolve and be immune.

Had the brainwashed "believers" said the ACT of stopping perspiration was extremely harmful to humans there would be a lot less people using antiperspirants today. WHY, do you ask?

It comes down to this, is there a reason YOU have bundles of lymph nodes at your armpits, lymph nodes that filter/clean your blood? Is there a reason you perspire at your pits EVEN when you are cold and especially when stressed?

Now, I know many Christians think they do not need to perspire at the armpits essentially suggesting the God they "believe" in screwed up and created an unnecessary bodily function but could Christians be mistaken? I bet every person who has ever left a derogatory remark towards me here uses antiperspirants and I bet they still "believe" they have wisdom.

I may not be a genius or the wisest person in the world but I am the FIRST person to realize that the lymphatic system is one of the most crucial components of the human immune system and I am the FIRST person to recognize that it is the act of stopping perspiration that makes antiperspirants harmful, not the aluminum. The reason I made this connection is because I do what I can to filter my "beliefs" our of my existence. I search for Truth, Light and real knowledge while the masses debate and discuss their "beliefs".

I'm no one special, just substantially more honest than most. Honest to the point where I am often ostracized. In today's society there is not much call for Truth and honesty. You see, there is no debating or discussing truth. Today, Truth is something that is intended to be hidden or buried. The media can't report the truth, a politician cannot tell the truth, a doctor cannot be given the truth and the masses cannot recognize the truth. That is why I receive derogatory comments and attacks and I why I do not compromise.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

It's hard to believe that you are allowed to comment on Hubs with such garbage that is far from pertinent.

You keep promoting the Dark Age, the time when disease was very abundant, yet you claim we should all walk around smelling like an open sewer.

I'm sorry, dear worshipper of demented cures, but HBA products are not all bad. What, do you think our mind should be stagnant and that we should never create or invent? Now you are against deodorant? True Cures, our armpits are not the only place we perspire or have lymph nodes, and the biggest proponents of aluminum being harmful to the body in small amounts, are the ones who often sell those aluminum test kits.

Get a grip!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I just share little known facts. You don't have to like them and I am not posting them on your behalf. It does tickle me how you rely so heavily on popular belief.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

The fact that we also perspire elsewhere and have an abundant supply of lymph nodes in other areas, is hardly "popular belief," as it is merely a fact. Hey, if you're a big fan of walking around in public with smelly armpits during the 21st century, then more power to ya!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Insane, you don't do anything but argue. That's why you chose your handle. You only "believe" a person who doesn't use pit rubs would offend because all you have in you is "belief". From what you know and what you experience you believe I must offend, however I not only know the power of the mind, I also know the power of the lymphatic system, the kidneys and the liver. I respect the whole body and the whole mind which is why I do not offend.

I know that your intentions are to disagree with everything I say because you have your personal agenda. I know you feel my information is my personal agenda but I am already disease free so nothing I share is personal.

I'm not posting on your hubs anymore because YOU have your mind made up and YOU cherish your BELIEFS so nothing I can say will alter your way of thinking so please do me a favor and go piss up a rope, it's equally as productive as you and I going around and around.

Yes I have gone too many rounds with you already and the ONLY difference between you and I is I am in control of what matter most and that is my health and the health of those who seek the truth. You on the other hand can only debate and force your beliefs on people, beliefs that offer little if any improvement. There is NOTHING new or original about you, you get your beliefs from others and your results are no different than the others and by the way that is the definition of insanity, doing the same things the same way every time getting the same poor results. You live up to your handle.

This is the last time you goad me into a comment. You stick with your beliefs and I will stick with what prevents and cures diseases. Seriously go find a nice rope.

In a month I will be training others how to control their immune system and you will still be talking trash.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Ahh, another comment powered by beliefs and false assumptions...

By the way, there is nothing original about promoting Lamisil for every ailment under the sun, as I've seen you speak about it quite often, on other Hubs.

You also obviously need to learn the definition of "belief." You must have a lot of them or else you wouldn't write Hubs in other peoples' comment fields. Now you act like ONLY you realize what the Lymphatic system is. Yeah, this has got ridiculous. Replying back to you is bound to be bad for a person's immune system; LOL!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I've taken the trash out IM, not reading your comments anymore but love to offer my two cents.

At the end of the day I have done what I can to provide existing cures, healing and prevention and at the end of your day all you have tried to provide is your opinion/belief through argument and debate.

In a way, I owe you my life. The likes of you, CJ and Dr. Fungus keep me alive because this is a "BELIEF" based society and people would rather "BELIEVE" than KNOW for certain. Your talents are telling people what they want to hear, same as CJ and Dr. Fungus.

If society was made up of people like MAGNOLIAZZ who were not threatened by the truth and who could carry on civil discussions I WOULD be dead already the way the Lone Ranger described. However because the world is made up of mindless consumer who ONLY exist because they get to eat, drink, sleep and above all "BELIEVE" I can be no threat.

You can't save a person from cancer or diabetes if that person is loyal to what they "BELIEVE". Since every person ALREADY has a "belief" system in place that does not include the knowledge of the human immune capacity or the power we have to control it for the sake of complete immunity, it is safe for the medical industry to assume that little o' me will not be changing their minds. The mindless consumer, such as yourself will fight for their "BELIEFS" and at the end of the day all you have done is shared your opinion while I have cured people of diseases YOU believe are incurable.

P.S for the mindless consumer dramatic effect I shall ad... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LMAO LMAO


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

You recommending drugs created in a Lab is hardly something I'd brag about.

You don't know anything about me; you make false assumptions, then you go on to hate upon some term you misconceive as "belief," all during the same time... LOL!

Dang, and to think you need to read an article on how to cook a salmon, as you told me on another Hub; yikes!

That last comment by you really shows your confusion. ...Off saving the world one day, then complaining about being stuck in a store 6 days a week, on another.

Only online ... can feign cyber-heroes triumph in the land of baloney without being seen... What a joke! Ha-ha!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I've taken the trash out IM, not reading your comments anymore but love to offer my two cents.

At the end of the day I have done what I can to provide existing cures, healing and prevention and at the end of your day all you have tried to provide is your opinion/belief through argument and debate.

In a way, I owe you my life. The likes of you, CJ and Dr. Fungus keep me alive because this is a "BELIEF" based society and people would rather "BELIEVE" than KNOW for certain. Your talents are telling people what they want to hear, same as CJ and Dr. Fungus.

If society was made up of people like MAGNOLIAZZ who were not threatened by the truth and who could carry on civil discussions I WOULD be dead already the way the Lone Ranger described. However because the world is made up of mindless consumer who ONLY exist because they get to eat, drink, sleep and above all "BELIEVE" I can be no threat.

You can't save a person from cancer or diabetes if that person is loyal to what they "BELIEVE". Since every person ALREADY has a "belief" system in place that does not include the knowledge of the human immune capacity or the power we have to control it for the sake of complete immunity, it is safe for the medical industry to assume that little o' me will not be changing their minds. The mindless consumer, such as yourself will fight for their "BELIEFS" and at the end of the day all you have done is shared your opinion while I have cured people of diseases YOU believe are incurable.

P.S for the mindless consumer dramatic effect I shall ad... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LMAO LMAO


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

By the way Mags, when you get around to the hub again I was wondering if you have been catching on the latest news. Seems like the price of oil is going down and the entire US media is screaming the world economy will crash if Oil continues to go down along with grains.

It seems the powers to be want us to be patriotic and pay more for gas and food to save the world economy. They appear to be trying to make consumer feel guilty for paying less or something absurd like that.

What do you make of propaganda?


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

...Now the fool is duplicating his/her own comments that should be deleted, in the first place, but definitely the duplicates should be.

The shameless wanna-be, needs to stick with his Lamisil promos and Infomercials. Yeah, no wonder they reject your ideas at the clinics! True Cures promotes cure-all drugs that he didn't create, yet claims to have the cure for everything, even though he/she hasn't even cured Leukemia, for starters. You ARE propaganda in the making, just like you fell for the aluminum propaganda, only to not realize the true intent (via media) that even lead to your "non-usage of deodorant" belief. What a nutjob! I can only hope you are joking and just play this role online, as people like you must not get out much, no matter what ya say...


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Some material is worth duplicating. Is a very common practice for people to bury information they don't want out. That's the fight I fight. I fight mindless consumers and nasty people all day every day.

At the end of the day I make a difference and you do not and you hate me for it. You don't like your beliefs being smashed and you will continue to attack me like a coward hiding behind a handle, you are no different from Dr. Fungus or CJ. You are not original, just one of the masses.

Being that your intentions are to bury my comments I will have to repost this so Mags doesn't miss it.

By the way Mags, when you get around to the hub again I was wondering if you have been catching on the latest news. Seems like the price of oil is going down and the entire US media is screaming the world economy will crash if Oil continues to go down along with grains.

It seems the powers to be want us to be patriotic and pay more for gas and food to save the world economy. They appear to be trying to make consumer feel guilty for paying less or something absurd like that.

What do you make of propaganda?


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Oh, okay, I get it now... Hey, Mags, True Cures desperately needs your attention, so please tend to this little pampered, spoiled, coddled prima donna that commonly displays the intelligence of a single-cell amoeba, when ya get a chance...or zap it like an ugly zit! C-Ya! LOL!


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Oh, almost forgot: Now, when I brought up a topic about oil and tried to get this Hub back on subject, True Cures told me the following: "Insane, no amount of discussion about OIL is going to change a thing."

Well, well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. You should be ashamed, but then again, I did already call you "shameless," right? LMAO!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I'm honest enough to admit the comment isn't going to change anything. People have too many beliefs in their way to prevent them from taking charge. Because you are a mindless consumers I will always pay too much for gas.

I'm really tired of the insane mundane back and fourth with you. You succeeded in burying important and life changing comments so I will leave you to your trash talk from here on out. I can always fall back on the peace of mind of knowing you are also destroying your own chance for proper health. But hey, you got your oxygen! This is now your hub. Your opinion reigns here.

EDIT: Dang my hub hits are going up, maybe butting heads with trash mouths is productive.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

The Buddhist Monk purposely overfills a tea cup till it spills on the table top and says: "like this cup you are full of opinions and speculations. To see the light of wisdom, you must first, empty your cup.”


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

hubbers

America Has More Oil Than Saudi Arabia. YES but will it be allowed to be pumped?

Administration Oil Strategy Contributes to Price Increases 2009-2012

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87353590/Administration-...


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hi Jon, Its good to see you again. I'm going to head on over

The oil prices are coming down because the demand is down, which just goes to show how bad the economyis. 4th of July weekend should prove to be interesting. When are we ever going to get back to normal? Possibly never.

If the USA started manufacturing solar panels, make ourselves the world's number one solar panel experts, maybe we could get our economy back on track. We have to start making something and then exporting it to other countries. We have the technology to change the face of energy, but there are some wealthy oil people who will never let that happen.

True Cures,

I think you are on to something with the deodarant thing. I figured long ago there had to be a link between that and the explosion of breast cancer.

If you take a shower every day with dial soap and use baking soda under your arms, most people are okay. Zinc also helps.

Asians have no sweat glands under their arms and they don't have BO under the arms like the rest of us.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I'm pretty certain we are in a serious pickle. Those in power and control over the economy fair very well with a weak economy, they can scoop up all the scraps and then use the media to encourage people to buy all the scraps they picked up.

As long as we keep the same political system, using two parties to maintain a perfect controlled opposition we will never see anyone concerned about how we are coping with the effects of the economy.

People want to "believe" there is a political party out there with their best interest in mind but there is no evidence of such a party existing.

Belief is destroying us. If we don't dismiss our beliefs and start taking action it is only going to get worse. I don't know for certain what actions we should take but I do know that a VOTE is nothing more than a vote of approval for the current system and behavior. When we vote we are giving them the go ahead to stick it to us.

And yes, there is a link to breast cancer and antiperspirants and other diseases. The wise thing for man to do is to avoid all foods and beverages that have non-food products like coffee, sodas, nicotine products and any foods that are more chemical than food. If a person avoids consuming non-food products, takes a shower once a day and drinks only water instead of coffee, energy drinks and sodas their lymphatic system will catch up and it will do amazing things.

Granted there can still be some bacterial growth from the moistness of the pits and zing or the salt crystal can prevent the bacterial smell. Ideally we would pass all the toxic waste through our urine but the average person does not drink enough water in a day to allow the kidneys to do the needed work leaving the whole waste removal system crippled.

It was a couple of years ago when the medical industry came out and told society that they didn't need to drink water, saying we get enough water from our coffee and sodas. If you go on a science forum to attempt to dispute that nonsense they will ban you and delete any comments. The science and medical industry are completely against people drinking pure water, go figure.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Magnoliazz

''If the USA started manufacturing solar panels, make ourselves the world's number one solar panel experts, maybe we could get our economy back on track''. NOPE!

Here's a surprise for the taxpayers to think about. The TRUE facts!

Money from the 2009 stimulus bill to help support the renewable energy industry

Obama administration's proposed tariff on Chinese solar panels raises fear of trade war

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/04/us-sola...

Renewable energy money still going abroad, despite criticism from Congress

http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investig...

Solar Power, The Future Is Here

The President says so?

http://hubpages.com/politics/SolarPower_TheFutureI...

REMEMBER, the President was pushing ‘’ MADE IN AMERICA’’ ‘’ AMERICAN JOBS ‘’


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags,

Jon said "Obama administration's proposed tariff on Chinese solar panels raises fear of trade war"

NOPE!

The government proposed tariff on Chinese solar panels raises fear of trade war.

No matter who the face of our president is, the administration STAYS the same.

The president is a face and NOTHING more. Any criticism from congress is fictional criticism used ONLY for controlled opposition.

And because the Government will always stay the same no matter the face of the president there will be no sweet solar power taking place of oil.

However, pretending the president has GREAT power gives people something to talk about while they get raped. People who blame the PRESIDENT do so with their pants down to their knees. Pull em up Jon and tighten your belt. Of course you won't have any hot hub pages anymore because people love to debate and they HATE the truth.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hi Jon...I did not know this about Obama. He really sold us out more than once. I like him as a person, because he was poor and made something of himself, but as a president, I am just disappointed. Although, he is probably just a puppet anyhow and the real power continues on with their agenda, and the American people think they live in a state of freedom?

What is going to happen to us if we do not PRODUCE something to sell to the rest of the world? I am seeing the (affects/effects?? Sorry I can't think of the right one of this all the time). You see people in their 40s without a house or anything. You compare them to their parents when they were in their 40s and you can see the decline right there. Very few people are doing as well as their parents did.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I was sitting by the fire talking to a friend last night about how each generation has it worse than the one before them and here you are Mags saying the same thing. It's a trend that is not going to change because the powers to be look after themselves not the new generations.

You started this hub with "We Need To Start Drilling NOW!" (By the way, you left out the "i" in your Drilling.) Easy mistake.

You and I need them to start drilling now but there is no incentive. We are suppose to blame it on the democrat environmentalist and Obama but make no mistake, the republicans are no more interested in spending more money drilling only to sell their black gold for less so you and I can afford to take a vacation drive.

If you owned oil would you want to be forced to drill more and sell for less? I'm sure you are a kind and generous person and could possible be the ONE person who would consider loosing money for the sake of doing what's right but lets fact it, it will still be a tough call. There is no chance the powers to be will take a cut in pay and they will pretend they want to while they set up the controlled opposition that effectively prevents them from having to take the cut in pay.

While I was in the process of writing this, a person came into the store and we got to discussing political issues. He agreed with some of my ideas but he certainly believe the media is not controlled by the powers to be and he also believes medicine would choose to cure diseases if they could. LOL, he believes a cure for a disease would be more profitable than generation after generation living on drugs used to suppress a disease.

That is our problem, he is unwilling to be convinced and just like the oil issue, people are unwilling to be convinced that it isn't just the democrats sticking it to us.

In a nutshell, the democrats work for the republicans and the republicans work for the democrats but as long as we blame ONE party we are doing exactly what the powers to be want.

I don't have the answer for changing it but I know awareness has to help which is where your hubs come in to play. It would be something special to see people rise above popular belief and start questioning their loyalties. Then and only then can we expect some change for the better.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

The Democratic party has been controlled by a progressive radical group pushing a socialist agenda. The Democrat leadership today IS NOT what the real true Democrats of old were. The Democrats of old would debate and in the end would compromise ( each side giving to move legislation )to pass bills in a bipartisan manner. NOT THE US GOVERNMENT WE USED TO KNOW

http://commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html **** This site is almost unbelievable.

The existing battles to advance legislation are that one party is ignoring PAY- GO LAW signed by the President in 2010.Taxation and spending is defined in the Pay-Go law.

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&

The Hypocrisy of either side NOT TO ALLOW debate, amend and VOTE on proposed legislation is a travesty and in direct violation of their oath of office. The House has 30 jobs bills and a 2012,2013 budgets sitting in the Senate waiting for Senator Reid to move the legislation for the Senators to vote on.

The President said ‘’ the buck stops here ‘’.we have elected a President who distorts the truth and the facts, has disregard of the Constitution and his oath of office in so many ways. Obama has shown his true colors and has not been a leader as he promised in the presidential campaign of 2008.

The mainstream media hasn’t reported the information above, wonder why?

America needs to WAKE UP!


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

The Democratic party has been controlled by a progressive radical group made up of wealthy republicans who are pushing a socialist agenda.

America needs to WAKE UP! Americans need to stop voting for party politics and their crooked agenda and their corrupt controlled opposition.

Without republican sponsored democrats gun and ammo sales will FALL. Without republican sponsored democrats the price of oil will FALL. Without democrats ALL republicans will FALL.

Obama is the best thing that ever happened to republicans in high office positions and the republicans will see to it that Romney follows Obama's footsteps or they will see to it that Obama is elected again.

Republicans cannot get rich without democrat controlled opposition.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, I hope you will get a chance to take a look at this forum I started.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/99953

The less desirable have left your hub and are now on Insane Mundane's and they are attempting to discredit me because the pretend to believe that there are children's hospitals with directors who are interested in the children being cured and are suggesting they would snatch me up if I could cure children. So I started the new forum blog and it will shut them down entirely if it is not deleted by hubpages. The medical industry RELIES on people believing the industry is indeed searching for cures so I fully expect the forum to be deleted. The deleted my most popular hub a few days ago, a hub that I have had for years. When I am banned from hubpages I hope you will stay in touch through my forum.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Jon and True Cures~~ I apologize to you both for not getting back sooner with my replies, I am having a hectic summer with the sheep breaking down the fences and getting out, then I have to go all around the neighboorhood and round them up. LOL./..oh well...it could be worse.

I am sick of Obama, I am wondering about his birth certificate. The medical insurance debacle is about as bad as it gets. Once they got you are into this system they will dictate to you what you will need to have done in order to be compliant with their system. Let's just say that more of our personal, very personal freedoms will be stripped away.

Obama had his chance. He will go down in history as being a big joke.

As for the Republicans, I do not have much use for them either, but I like them better than the Dems, because at least the Rep are moral enough to be outraged against abortions. (Abortions and Obama's health care reform should prove to be interesting. What do you want to bet there will be more abortions than ever?)

I am so conflicted when it comes to this coming election, I have been tempted not to vote at all. I do like Ron Paul, maybe I will do a write in vote.

True Cures

Just ignore those people. All they want to do is discredit you. Go about your work of healing, all this negative crap is not good for that.

I doube you will get kicked off of Hubpages, but if you do, I will continue to see you at your forum. I promise I will get over there one day soon. I wish there were 10 more of me so I could do all the things I want to do!

Thank you BOTH for your comments, I really appreciate your input.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, I'm still editing my hub with the most internet presence and hubpage keeps refusing to publish it again and they refuse to tell me what is wrong with it.

It reminds of the the time I told Boise Channel 7 news Scot Evans that I could take 20 people he personally knew who had severe or deadly food allergies and have them all cured in 14 days or less, to the point where we could all have a full meal of the foods they were originally allergic to. Scot and I spoke in person for two hours about his plan to report on my challenge.

After he spoke with his editor I spoke to him over the phone on many occasions but he never uttered ONE word about health and healing or allergies. The hub that has been removed has been responsible for thousands of herpes cures and the hits where getting higher and higher each day. I knew they would either have to ban the hub or stop making the drug Lamisil.

As for the Obama Healthcare mandate, don't fret and don't vote. 10 t0 1 they passed what they passed for the sole purpose to get people to reengage in voting. It was passed just as much by the republicans as it was by Obama, or more so because Obama truly had nothing more to do with it than reading the scripts the Republicrats give him.

And what does it matter, what kind of health care is demanded, none of it will improve people health outside of trauma medicine so what's the big deal? There is no evidence a person with insurance is healthier than a person without insurance. If it is just a tax, well they were going to tax us more anyways.

As long a people vote for a president, and more people will vote this election than ever before, we are going to be raped by the republicrats.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

In nov. you will be able to release your frustration, we hope.

here's the list not to vote for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progres PROGRESSIVES

6/3/12

What’s a Socialist?

A democratic Marxism, and it succeeded, even in (shh!) the United States

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sunday-review/wh...


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Hi Jon, I could not find the first link about Progressives, maybe they had it taken down, it would not be the first time either.

I read the second story, America is a welfare state and there is probably no way you can change that. People don't think about getting a job, they wonder what benefits they can get so they don't have to worry about looking for work anymore! Then, Obama wants to tax the rich so these people can relax and stay on their benefits forever, and all the while these people just keep on having children they cannot afford, and it becomes a cycle. Then those children grow up with NO work ethic whatsoever, and they don't want to go out and work like the rest of us. Where does it ever end?

True Cures, they probably took that hub down because you mentioned Lamisil numerous times and they saw it as being like an ad for Lamisil. Eventually, someone from Hubpages will take a look at it and probably put it back up again.


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

I took out the "easy to cure part" and I guess they are still thinking about it.

I saw this on Facebook and I thought you might like it.

“Enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing through the facade of pretense. It's the complete eradication of everything we imagined to be true.”

-Adyashanti

I don't know who Adyashanti is but it hits the nail on the head in regards to "belief" or what we imagine to be true. It's so funny how every American can pick their own belief and imagine it to be true. The ubber wealthy really do capitalize off of our "beliefs".


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

MAG

IT WORKS ON MY SITE could be tha h page is ........Most of the progressives are in the House. Last week they walked out of AG Holder's vote.

PELOSI had to drop out when she was Speaker.They are the radical arm of the Democrat party.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

mag

google congressional progressive caucus and pick a report.

check this link, very interesting

Self-described “progressive” media “monitor” which tracks content that “forwards a conservative agenda.”

and former conservative writer David

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfi...

joyce foundation

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.a...


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True Cures 4 years ago from Payette Idaho

Mags, do you believe the republicans are or were really against the new health care tax?

It is my guess, THE government wanted to tax more for health care because people only get weaker and it will be solid tax base so they set up a controlled opposition, good cop/bad cop and introduced the propaganda to make it look like the democrats wanted it and the republicans didn't so it would look like there was still some one on the side of the people.

I feel pretty certain the republicrats all had the same plan and it was to tax us dearly.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

Thank you Jon, I tried the link and it works.

True Cures, I was at Wisconsin Dells for a week, that's why I did not reply sooner. I believe the Reps hate the helath care bill because it is more big government and in the end, who is going to be taxed to pay for it, the Republicans. I really wish there would be a stronger 3rd part, because I am torn between them both. There are things I both love and hate in each one. I usually vote for the guy that I think is most HONEST. And to be honest, I don't trust Obama or that Mitt guy. I mean really, the Rep could not come up with someone better than that? Give me a break, it kind of like when they got Palin involved, which I feel lost the election for the Rep party. She is a wonderful woman, but she was not properly groomed for the job. She needs help with public speaking so the American people will believe her, thats how jaded we have become, but that's what it takes, we are used to super professional people.

True Cures, guess what? I found a doctor online who says that the Mayo Clinic believes cancer is a FUNGUS! And, there is another oncologist who is using baking soda to kill cancer because cancer is a FUNGUS!!

I was going to write a hub about it, but I have been sooo busy! But I will, and I will mention your name, if its okay with you if I do so. Of course it will be in a very positive way.

I think its real important for people to have an open mind when it comes to science, because the science of today will not to be the same exact thing we believe in a 100 years from now. Look at medicine a 100 years ago.

At least there are people standing up now, all I know is that 75% of all doctors with cancer refuse chemo and they won't let their families take it either.

Oh yes, I have a real good hub brewing here!!


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

True Cures, heres the website that says cancer is a fungus. cancerfungus.org

And there is more info on you tube also about the baking soda cure. Just type in baking soda cure, and the doctor who is doing it is Dr Simoncini. He is an oncologist from Italy. He sais he just could not take watching children die of cancer, not matter what he did with the chemo that was supposed to help them. So he prayed for something else, and he had a dream that baking soda would KILl cancer, and now he has proof that it does.


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magnoliazz 4 years ago from Wisconsin Author

TRUE CURES...sorry that website is cancerfungus.com

If you have a problem getting into it, just google cancerfungus.com and then get into it that way. They have a lot of people attacking the site and thats why you sometimes have to go to google to get in.


Mike W. 2 years ago

I prefer America beging drilling for oil and natural gas, everywhere in the United States. Oil and Natural Gas are a natural. It's part of the earth no one created it, It's allready there. Let's drill for it and use.

The stupidity behind Solar and Wind Power is that there is no such thing. I live In Michigan, It's cloudy and cold most of the time and there is not enough wind power to blow me over. Alternative Energy is just plain silly.


Sanxuary 2 years ago

Of-course America has a lot of oil. Oil is World currency and controlling as such is the game. Even with current wells dry they are never dry. You drill and over pressure brings it to the surface. You pump in air then water and chemicals and you get even more. If you leave them alone long enough it fills up again, some people got pretty rich when they bought old wells and turned them back on later. If we pumped sand into them would not the weight of the sand out weigh the oil and eventually bring it to the surface. I often think about that since fracking is causing Earth Quakes. Just how much do we get from current methods and a theory still wonders if it ever stops creating more oil? Still I wonder if there is a better idea and if the powers that be simply do not want such a thing to happen. All are crap can surely be turned into methane gas and how many homes would that heat. How much of it would make great fertilizer? Every time I spend money to save energy my bill increases. How can a for profits company not increase prices if I keep reducing my demand? You might use less energy but the price always goes up. Still you can only consume something that keeps pace with demand and the amount of oil will not keep up with our demand. If the writing is on the wall, why are we not spending this time to find something better. If you have become dependent on something then affordability is something we will all demand eventually, regardless of class. They made the rules and now they must let us live with them or change the rules.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

magnoliazz

4years ago, 2 years ago ,not to much has changes except that the '' keystone '' project has yet to have the Democrat Senate and the President sign off on. check these links, maybe one can understand what is really happening.

4/8/14 Obama admin. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/08/obama-admin-leas... LOST Treasury REVENUE why?

5/24/14 New Federal regulations ….have halted drilling in Kansas http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/05/24/oil-com... protect/ prairie bird

6/26/14 U.S. wind farm will avoid penalties for eagle deaths http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-wind-farm-will-avo... EPA overlooks law

4/20/14 Fracking foes cringe as unions back drilling boom http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fracking-foes-cring...

4/19/14 The fracking divide: Mexico’s oil frontier beckons U.S. drillers in wake of new law http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/t...

5/12/14 Another blue-collar union asks Senate Dems to support Keystone XL http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2548315#.U3E...

The GOP senators want to offer amendments to an energy efficiency bill but Reid has all but sealed off the amendment process to the minority party.

4/22/14 Fossil fuels have made the earth cleaner, not dirtier http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/22/fossil-fuels-hav... 44th Earth Day and the planet has never looked cleaner thanks to fossil fuels.

The Deepwater Horizon Oil Well explosion

http://hubpages.com/politics/TheDeepwaterHorizonoi...

1/02/14 Fox remains top cable news channel in 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/...

Obama claims Republican are holding up a economic progress. The truth, 1/2 of Congress is working, the other half ( Senate ) is not The Senate , Harry Reid and company provides cover for the President. 5/13/14 The American people are tired of waiting for this body to act on the jobs bills Senate Democrats continue to blockade http://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p...

4/21/14 Carney rejects trade offs for unemployment insurance http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/2... Pay Go law http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/paygo_description

12/17/13 A Plan For Jobs & Economic Growth http://www.speaker.gov/jobs

1/30/14 House Leaders Send Letter To President Obama

http://majorityleader.gov/newsroom/2014/01/house-l...

The President and the Democrats are very busy trying to defend the administration in the various SCANDALS. Obama calls them '' phony scandals'', another subject.

Mag, hoping info adds to your hub.

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