America’s Great Muslim Heritage

Remember way back when; Barrack Hussein Obama was on his great American Apology Tour delivering his speech in Cairo when he said; “I know too, that Islam has always been a part of America’s story;” really Mr. President?

What exact part was that, were those Muslims that the Pilgrims first encountered when they landed on Plymouth Rock; funny I thought they were American Indians! You know, that group those same Pilgrims celebrated the first Thanksgiving with, they were Muslims right? No, no wait they were American Indians also!

Wait, I know, it wasn't until the American Revolution that they first appeared, right? But I’ve looked and looked several times over but for the life of me Mr. President, I can’t find one single Muslim signature on the United States Constitution, Declaration of Independence or Bill of Rights! Will you please point out that or those signatures for me, Mr. President!

However, being a bit of a historian I’ve searched and searched the great battles of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, World War I and World War II and once again, where’s the great Muslim contribution? In fact during World War II weren’t the Muslim Nations aligned with Adolf Hitler; didn’t the Muslim Grand Mufti meet with Hitler, review the troops and accept support from the Nazi’s for killing Jews?

Moving on I have never seen a picture chronicling any Muslims walking side by side with Dr. Martin Luther King nor were there any to my knowledge supporting the cause during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era. But then again there wouldn’t have been any because we all know how Shari Law deals with women and also to this day Muslims are still the largest traffickers in human slavery!

Flash forward now to September 11, 2001, weren’t those Muslims that flew those planes into the World Trade Buildings, the Pentagon and crashed that plane in that Pennsylvania field killing nearly 3,000 people. And weren’t those Muslims we saw on the news rejoicing in the streets following the news accounts of the aforementioned events? Are those the contributions to which you refer?

But, having said all that, let’s take a look at exactly what this group has contributed to American History throughout the world!

In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed, by a Muslim extremist. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli Athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim extremists. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim extremists. That chronicles their contributions through the 60’s and 70’s; now let’s continue forward to the 80’s and 90’s!

In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim extremists. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim extremists. Also, in 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked in Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim extremists. Three years later in 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim extremists. The 80’s were indeed riddled by Muslim contributions to the American Heritage!

Continuing to look through the prism of Muslim contributions let’s see what the decade of the 90’s had to offer. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by none other than Muslim extremists. Five years later in 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists. That concluded the rich Muslim Heritage contribution to America during the 20th century.

The 21st century began with a Bang; literally a Bang as four airliners were hijacked on 09/11/2001. Two of the four were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim extremists. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim extremists. During this same year reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by Muslim extremists; remember the video of him screaming as his head was literally sawed off by one of those peaceful fun loving contributors to America’s Heritage!

Finally the most recent contribution occurred about 1:30pm Central Time on November 6, 2009 when Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan walked into a processing center at Fort Hood Texas where soldiers were waiting for medical checkups with a pair of hand guns and started shooting without discrimination; in less than five minutes, the toll was thirteen dead and thirty wounded! Malik Nadal Hasan, a lifelong Muslim who had previously expressed sympathy for suicide bombers and Muslim Terrorist in Iraq and Afghanistan, was an Army psychiatrist specializing in treating post traumatic stress. So again I ask Mr. President is this one of Islam’s contributions to America’s story?

But this Obama obsession did not end with his Apology Tour speech in Cairo, during that same first year of his Regime he told NASA administrator Charles Bolden that his highest priority should be "to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering. What are these similar contributions as chronicled above? Guess the suggested outreach wasn’t sufficient because this year NASA’s shuttle program flew its final mission!

So my friends I have detailed for you 5 decades of Islam’s part of America’s story; granted it has been radical Islam’s contribution but I for one am sick and tired of hearing about how peaceful a religion Islam is. I’ll leave you with a question, if it’s so peaceful where was the outcry from the Peaceful Imams following the aforementioned atrocities?



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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

PP - As usual you present many interesting facts concerning this subject. I have no idea why we choose to continue to ignore this threat to our country.

You said "if it’s so peaceful where was the outcry from the Peaceful Imams following the aforementioned atrocities?" That is a darn good question.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

“I know too, that Islam has always been a part of America’s story;” He did not mean that they founded this nation, but rather that the religion influenced it. Most were Christians and branches off of that religion, which made a huge impact on mankind. He wasn't saying that Muslims created America and there is no reason to take what he said so far out of context. Islam has been a sore point for many people, but that is no reason to deny the fact that despite currently hatred that religious war and unrest was one of the main reasons people spread out from each other. Also, many do not call out the bad people because they are afraid to be targeted. Remember, in America we have the right to speak freely, other countries don't always have that luxury.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Thanks Old Pool Guy

Sooner rather than later hopefully this country will wake up and face this enormous problem!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

Spoken like a true apologists for this Regime and Radical Islam!


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Where is the outcry from American Muslims? All I remember after 9/11 was the hideous sight of people dancing in the streets of Paterson, New Jersey. Well done, Patriot. Up useful and awesome.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Patriot-

It's more like speaking like myself. So many people are reading too far into things and to be honest, so what if the president says those things? Would you rather he insult them and ignite more anger from other countries? Come on... if he went and said, "You suck" don't you think we would see another 9/11? Common sense tells us to be kind and dignified otherwise we will see outraged people doing horrible things.

Also, Islam is meant to be a peaceful religion, as was Christianity, but INDIVIDUALS twisted the meaning and words to justify their actions. For example; The Crusades. They used religion as an excuse to do those things... like murder innocent children, steal other people's property, etc.

To judge ONE sentence from a speech is not only taking it out of context, but it is also silly. It's also silly for you to say I speak for Radical Islam when all I said was the truth. Religion impacts the world a lot more than most give credit for it. An idea that people believe in will always carry more weight than any other weapon.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, it doesn't matter how nice we are or how much money we give them, the Muslim countries hate us and always will. This is not a peaceful religion. We are constantly defending attacks on the US from the radicals of this group. Are there some good one's in the group, most likely. You live in a dream if you believe they would not like to see this country destroyed.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

You live in a dream world if you believe bad-mouthing a relatively positive statement will help the situation. In a world so full of anger and strong words, wouldn't it be nice for our leaders to be civil?


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, you need to do some research and take this threat seriously. One or two comments will hardly make a difference in the situation. I feel you truly have no idea about what is really going on with this. Read up on Sharia Law and let us know if this is something you would want to live under.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

I take it very seriously, which is why I wonder if you actually did any research on ripple effects? I am not saying I would personally want to live under their laws, but I live in America. I am fortunate enough to live in a country that allows me to speak my mind without worrying about being in trouble for voicing my opinions.

I have to wonder if you read my first comment at all? Did you see the part about religion influencing the world? Every part of the world's religious beliefs have changed and shaped things into what they are today. To say Islam had nothing to do with America is kind of arrogant. A comment from one person of power can make all the difference in the world. Think about it... "Let's go to war" can be a response if they say the wrong thing.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

You Naiveté continues to amaze me; the forces of evil with which we are at war understand one thing and one thing alone, force. Appeasement as you advocate is seen as complete and total weakness.

Continuing to turn the other cheek and practice Rodney King Can’t we all just get along diplomacy will continue to place this country in jeopardy; you cannot HUG THEM INTO SUBMISSION!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, the America you live in could disappear under the threats we face today. I have no idea where you live, and don't really care, but you need to pull your head out of the sand and take a look around you. This is not the same America it was even 10 years ago. Kindness doesn't work with a group sworn to kill all Infidels.


sheri sapp 5 years ago

Great hub, thanks for sending me an email and a link so I could access it quickly. I agree with your point, and I also agree with Poolman. Those folks do not want peace, they want mayhem, murder, and the END of America. It certainly seems as if our prez likes them better anyway. I don't recall him griping at them about their "softness"like he recently did his own countrymen!!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

So you think that our public leaders shouldn't try to be kind? Are you seriously telling me that we should bash our leaders if they make ONE true statement in a positive way? Please tell me you're kidding.

Kindness can also be seen as polite. What would you have Obama say? Would you have him tell them rude comments about their religion? Would you have rather he shoved it in their faces that he thought they were beneath him? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it make more sense to try to have a tense peace rather than a war?

Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon for "Hate Islam"? I know a lot of people who are part of the Muslim religion and they have nothing but good things to say about America. In those countries, a lot of people cannot say what they really think without being attacked and/or killed.

I am not speaking of appeasement. I am talking about acknowledging each other as fellow human-beings. Shouldn't we try to understand each other rather than show anger towards one another? How am I naive in believing that with time and just a little understanding that we can have some form of peace? You do realize that not the entire religion is like that, right? It's select groups which the media has stereotyped and people just latch onto the stereotype because it is easier to blame a group of people as a whole rather than a portion of the group.

How about this as a solution- Accept what happened, blame the people responsible, acknowledge that despite what our textbooks say it doesn't give the whole story and remember that even in times of peace we are always prepared for war. That simple. If we are kind and polite and they still declare war, than we can retaliate with the knowledge that we did our best to obtain peace.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe - Kind and Polite just doesn't work with those who have no idea about this concept. Have you ever tried to tame a rattlesnake? It can't be done. No matter how Kind and Polite you are to this snake, given the chance it will bite you and kill you.

A society where children are trained to become human bombs and their parents receive money for allowing this will never understand Kind and Polite.

It appears you are very comfortable in the world you live in, and I suggest you stay there. I hope you never have to experience life under Sharia Law as that would teach you all you need to know about Kind and Polite.


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Average American 5 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

Well done.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Old Poolman, It's that kind of attitude that makes us isolate ideas about people. It's not hard to understand that there are some who are too far gone in their ideals to compromise, but why should we give them another reason to hate us? If we coexist then maybe they wouldn't teach their children to strap bombs to their bodies. Have you ever stopped and looked at it from their prospective? If we can accept their ideas but remain firm in our own culture and idealism than maybe we can work towards peace.

Is it really that hard for you to try to remember that not all of them strap bombs to their children?


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, I would guess my experience with this world is much different than yours, and we will most likely never agree on much of anything.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

We could simply agree that change needs to happen. What kind of change we may disagree on, but I do respect your opinion. I hope you haven't taken anything I have written as pointed.

I have actually been working on a project for about two years on Muslims in America. I literally go undercover to see and hear what they see and hear. I have been to several places as a "Muslim" woman, though it is not my personal religion, it was the only way I could be sure that I would hear everything. So far all I have heard is about peaceful existance and the anger they feel towards their old countries for making them appear to be otherwise. I am not alone in my project. One of my male friends has also been undercover with a microphone on under his clothes and so far nothing has been negative. In fact, most of the messages and talks have been positive feedback. I still have three years to go and about 100 more Mosques to visit, but it seems as though the people here do not share the same opinions as those who strap bombs to themselves.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe Pike - That is fascinating to hear and explains a great deal on why our opinions differ so greatly. You have first hand experience and all I know is what I read and hear. Your story would make great reading if you decide to publish anything concerning this project. I would be very interested in hearing more about this.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

I'm still working on it. It takes a lot of time and money to do this project. I still have literally thousands of hours to clock before I can write the piece entirely. So far I have only been to three states. I'm hoping to go to all fifty to complete it.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe - That is a very ambitious goal. The time and money involved in visiting fifty states is huge. Good luck with your project.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

I’ll start with one name, Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, the Iranian Christian condemned to death for switching from Islam to Christianity; that’s their version of tolerance and understanding.

Also you seem like a very intelligent woman so I am sure you are aware of the events leading up to the Second World War. Chamberlin, the leader of what was arguably the most powerful Nation in the world at that time continued to APPEASE Hitler and as such Hitler became more and more and more aggressive.

What’s the correlation between the two you ask? Evil has always existed in this world and it must be dealt with, acquiescence results in occupation!

I’m not saying all Muslims are evil but they have allowed their religion to be hijacked by evil!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partison Patriot,

There is a great difference in what I would do than what was done previously. In the most blunt way, expect peace but be prepared for war. Be cordial but standing up for what is right and just. You have to remember that their nations have been around a lot longer than our own. We are a teenager in comparison to them. In their eyes, what right would a teenager have over adult nations? So, instead of being a rebelling teenager, let's be a respectable one. One who can speak up when it is appropriate and stand and fight when the time calls for it. As it is, enough blood has been shed. We must be respectful but prepared for the worst.

Christianity was also hijacked by evil at one point, but time changed it. People grew and educated themselves to stand up for what they thought and not just what was written in the Bible. Once the concept of equality for all is accepted, I believe we will see a lot more time of peace. Did you know some of the nations of Islam are literally the opposite of each other? One allows women to wear mini skirts and make-up while another will kill them for showing too much of their forehead... radical belief systems will always exist, but they are never the majority. I think that is what is missing... if we were able to tell the radical members that equality would sustain peace, without making them mad, that maybe a more relaxed practice of their beliefs might be the result. But that is only if they would not be offended. After all, who are we to tell them how to practice their religious beliefs if we are not even part of their religion? Hence the conflict.


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sheila b. 5 years ago

If you google 'muslims discovered America' you'll learn they were here long before Columbus!! I'm glad you wrote this hub. My experience since 9/11 has been far different from Pike's. Where before 9/11 the muslims I knew were friendly, now they're arrogant. Following their lead, I now go out of my way to avoid their stores.


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SheriSapp 5 years ago from West Virginia

Patriot,

I read and commented on this hub the other day, but I don't see my comment. I wasn't signed in, so maybe that was the problem. I enjoyed the bald truth here in this hub, but as you can see, there are many Americans who cannot even be honest with themselves, much less others!!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

Your teenage analogy really angers me; they may have been around for centuries longer than we have but they remain today marred in the 8 or 9ht century; Phoebe, they refuse to progress! I for one don’t respect a culture that refuses to embrace the future.

As for your teenager analogy it is downright insulting. The greatest nation God (not Allah Phoebe) gave man does not nor should not subject itself to any nation or nations that refuse to acknowledge the progress of the 10th-20th centuries and chooses to remain immersed in primitive existence. No my newfound friend, we should not subject ourselves to anyone much less a group so undeserving as your beloved Muslims!

You say, “we must be respectful but prepared for the worst.” How do you respect anyone that wants to wipe you off the map?

As for the dark days of Christianity; yes we went through them but as we matured and became more and more enlightened we recognized the wrong that we attempted to perpetrate and moved into a conciliatory position. Radical Islam has never moved beyond the evil phase; they still want to kill all the infidels that refuse to accept Allah as their God!

As for some of the nations of Islam being literally the opposite of each other; again I ask where then is the outcry from those opposite Islamic Nations. They should be shouting from the roof tops in protest against what those radical Islamist are doing. Where are they Phoebe?

I am sick and tired of the world tiptoeing around radical Muslims so as not to make them mad! What other sect blows up women and children in order to retaliate because something made them mad; I’m mad as hell about crucifixes being submerged in urine because some kook calls it art but I’m not about to go out and blow someone up because of it. It’s time this sect was called out for what it is; extremist. Either you acquiesce to their beliefs or they will kill you; no ifs ands or buts about it!

Again you do not appease extremist, you exterminate them!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, I have to ask, Are you of the Muslim religion? It makes no sense why anyone would spend years of their time and thousands of dollars on a project out of idle curiosity? I would be interested in knowing why you seem to be so obsessed with this so called peaceful religion.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

I am not of the Muslim religion. I am simply a writer. I was in school for journalism and the thing is, I want my piece to be in Time magazine.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partison Patriot- You are angered by the age of our country? The fact is, the older countries gave birth to this one. We changed and adapted, as all countries have to some extent. The fact is, "the next generation" will always be more advanced or more forward thinking than the previous one.

Would you shout from a rooftop if you were afraid to be shot off of it? Seriously, common sense would tell them "If I want to live, I will remain quiet unless I am in a safe place"... hence peaceful gatherings.

I have never met a person I disliked. I may not like their actions or behaviors, but there is always something to appreciate in each individual. I do not love the radical Islam actions, but I try to understand the logic behind it and try to find a suitable way to discusss it. I will not condemn them because it truly is not their fault. They are brought up to believe that if they do not do certain things, it damns their entire families. I will not say horrible things about the people who remain quiet because I have been to the support groups for some of the people who escaped their countries and told us what happened to them. I will stand up for people who are too afraid to speak, because if they do, they will reveal where they are. Some of the people do not say anything because they cannot.

Are you truly so narrow-minded that you do not think about what their citizens go through? That by spouting hatred to anyone who speaks up for those who are part of the religion and not part of the anger, is only going to make them feel hopeless in a country they thought would give them some solace?

It is a new form of discrimination. One I will not sit by quietly and watch. I am so tired of everyone saying that "Muslims are bad"... that is just like saying "Homosexuals are horrible" or "White people are better than black people"... none of those statements are true. It saddens me that someone as intelligent as yourself would say such vile things about an entire group of people. Maybe you should try going to some support groups for people seeking peace from their old countries or homes. Not all caame from other countries. There were dozens of people who attended the meetings in hopes of leading normal lives.

There was one case that really caught my attention. A young woman, younger than I was at the time, about 15. She had managed to geet sent to the US from a country that was not kind to children with no fathers. It didn't matter that she was only a child, nor did it matter that she did not do anything wrong. This country was in Africa... but the men there would use her as if she was her mother. Her mother was considered a "working girl". She told us about how their religion allowed it and that she wanted to run away but knew that they would kill her if she tried. Fortunately, she was able to run away to a women's retreat and got her freedom. She was not a Muslim. But there was one man who, upon hearing her story, muttered, "Dirty Muslims raped a child"... the girl stood up and told him that they were not Muslims and that in their society, it was considered as sacred as Christianity. So despite the pain it caused her, she still respected her religion. That struck me more than anything else in that group. I was a volunteer there and I have heard hundreds of stories of a similar nature.

The reason I choose Muslims is because they are the ones who are currently judged and put in the media the most often. I wanted to see the general feeling of those in the country to see if they matched the ones in the groups. Believe me, I am working on about eight other projects, but the one I mentioned seemed to be the only one worth mentioning in these comments.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

You misread my rebuttal regarding my apparent anger at the age of our country! The point I was trying to make was America should not subjugate itself to any nation especially those that refuse to move forward beyond the 9th or 10th century, even though this current leader of the American Regime continually does so. These particular older countries; the ones that still advocate stoning, lashing and beheading did not give birth to us, we are in fact a Judeo-Christian Nation not a nation founded on Islam!

I am not advocating shouting from a rooftop by those that live in nations where they would be afraid to be shot off of it? However the last time I checked you were free to voice an opinion here in this country so where are all those Fiddlers on the Roof over here? Also what about those Muslim countries of which you speak wherein they wear miniskirts, make-up and are more advanced than their fellow Burqa riddled societies? Surely they should speak out because those that threaten us also threaten them!

As for common sense, dear lady you are confusing common sense with Naiveté, to ignore this ever increasing threat is indeed naive. Continue to stick your head in the sand and someone will come along and chop it off at the neck!

Sorry but I do dislike all persons who want to kill me; there is nothing I can find about them to appreciate! As for the logic behind Radical Islam, there is none. You cannot justify a conviction or religion based on the annihilation of an entire race of people. The leaders of Iran and Hamas have repeatedly stated their goal is to eradicate the State of Israel; Ahmadniejad (I assume you recognize the name) goes as far as to deny the Holocaust! Where’s the logic in people like that?

I realize the people trapped in those countries are not at fault but there are millions of Muslims in this country that support Radical Islam; where are the American Imaans? It is you dear lady that is narrow-minded; you are so blinded by your love of Islam that you refuse to see the light. As I’ve said before True Evil exist in this world and it must be dealt with. The current leader of the American Regime isn’t helping the situation with his rhetoric and bowing to Muslim Kings! America has never asked anything of its neighbors but peaceful coexistence; this group isn’t looking for peaceful coexistence but for world domination and the imposition of their faith throughout the world at any and all cost! One final not here, how much solace are these people giving the citizens of Israel?

Phoebe, Homosexuals or African Americans do not collectively kill people as a culture. They do not believe if they blow up a school bus full of innocent children 72 Virgins await them. Your analogy doesn’t hold water!

Muslims above all other sects are protected by the American media; we cancelled any religious participation in the 911 site dedication for fear of alienating Muslims; we cancel Christmas Parades, Nativity Scenes, Easter Vigils and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie all to protect Muslims. Yet this same culture allows even advocates and applauds the submersing of a crucifix in urine all in the name of free speech. Well take a look around, the last time I checked free speech was supposed to work both ways!

In conclusion I applaud your work ethic regarding your projects, but in my humble opinion you have allowed your perspective on reality to become clouded!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, Like Partisan Patriot, I admire your dedication to your Muslim project, but think you are only reading the pages of the book you like. And he is very correct that we here in America have given up a great deal to not offend these so called peaceful Muslims. I suggest you investigate the bad with the good, and then make your judgement. It is hard to be unbiased when you only concentrate on one side of the story.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Thanks for the support Old Pool Guy. I went back and re-read her previous rebuttal and saw for the first time she was a student of Journalism and hoping for her piece to make it to Time Magazine; that explains alot about who she is!!!!!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

That fact does bring things into a little better focus.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Old Poolman,

As I have stated before, I have gone into the project to discover the feelings of the majority of the Muslims living in America. So far, nothing has been what most of the media posts. They speak of nothing but their desire for peace and for reaching a higher existence, like so many other religions. But I am not done investigation, so far, Maine, New Hampshire and Mass., has shown nothing but peaceful coexistance besides the spray paint they often find covering their buildings.

Partison Patriot,

"hoping for her piece to make it to Time Magazine; that explains alot about who she is!!!!!" What exactly is that supposed to mean?

"Muslims above all other sects are protected by the American media; we cancelled any religious participation in the 911 site dedication for fear of alienating Muslims; we cancel Christmas Parades, Nativity Scenes, Easter Vigils and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie all to protect Muslims." Truly? When most other public buildings have stopped because of SEVERAL religions and you choose to pick Muslims? What about the Jews? Was it not a Jewish man who sued an airport for having a Christmas tree on the grounds of discrimination? It is not just for one group that Christmas parades have stopped, but other groups as well. Yet you narrowed it to one... why is that?

Locally, the Witnesses have stopped some holiday functions on threats of lawsuits, and many others aren't comfortable with a religious point of view for the holidays. They prefer no "Birth of Christ" scenes and many other communities have followed such logic and just put up Santa instead or just wreaths. Honestly, I hear Witnesses complain more about the holiday events than any other religion, but that is because they do not celebrate it at all. As for being protected by the media... have you seen the pictures they put up? They only print what will sell their papers. If they think a picture of a burning flag will sell, then they don't care who's reputation they slander.

America has done nothing wrong? Not a single thing? That is laughable. Through the corruption of mankind, EVERY nation, America included, has done some horrible things. The Bush family knew what was happening in Iraq. They knew. Yet they attended big oil parties and shook hands with the men responsible for literally thousands of deaths. They cannot deny it and even have pictures of having some good laughs together. Yet they flipped their opinions the second it made them look good to the public. Too bad that it was the wrong country. We killed more than twice the amount of people in two weeks while we invaded their country, than they did on 9/11. I, for one, am a firm believer that an eye for an eye will make the world blind. Why were we there? They had evidence that it wasn't Iraq, yet we pressed forward. And we continue to occupy a country that does not want us there. Does that sound like we have done nothing wrong? As for your method, kill the killers... so we kill to teach others that killing is bad?

My question is, if you refuse to even consider making peace or attempting to coexist, even with tension between us, then how can we ever move forward? Would you kill them all just because of ONE line in their book?

"Your analogy doesn’t hold water!" It holds water. Why? Because I am saying it is as ridiculous to say "Muslims suck" as to say those other things. It isn't right to judge the innocent. Judge the guilty, not the others.

As for the miniskirts, they do fight with each other which is why we constantly hear about conflicts with the Middle East. They fight each other over religious and political matters constantly. They do speak, but with all the gun fire we see in the papers, people don't bother looking for peace makers. Why should they? In a society where messy divorces sell more papers than presidental elections, why bother showing a lighter side?

You never read about the Marines reading to the children in Iraq. I know Marines and I hear their lives and stories and despite a reporter being not five feet away, did not show a moment of peace and actually went in search of trouble because they were assigned to show the "Darkest of the dark" and they opnely admitted it to the Marines. That reporter spent over six months in search of gun fire, but was in a safe location. When it finally did happen, the reporter sold the story and it cemented the views of so many people that Muslims were animals. Ask some of the Marines what really happened, but remember to ask the ones discharged so they can openly speak about what they actually saw.

"It is you dear lady that is narrow-minded; you are so blinded by your love of Islam that you refuse to see the light" You keep saying that I love Islam, yet I have never stated that. I love people, not the religion. You are truly narrow-minded if you believe the only way to see a positive perspective is to be part of something. Think about it this way, I am able to look past by own biases and really see people as people. Not just by the titles their religions give them. I am not a fan of the Islam extremists. But I also understand that many people are not actually in control of their lives. Many do what others tell them and do not think about it. It is just a nature they have been taught. So to judge them, even though they are not truly in control, is foolish. Education and understanding is the only way to make peace.

I get the feeling from your words that you would like to see them all killed, but if that is so, who truly wants to kill an entire race of people?


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trimar7 5 years ago from New York

I have an Aunt who is one of the kindest most devout Christian individual you could ever find. She is always helping others. She is not judgmental. However, she sent me an email that speaks out about people who believed in turning the other cheek in other countries and are now wandering about and wondering what happened to their beautiful country. No one believes that all Muslims are bad but that does not mean that we can let our guard down with Muslims in general because there are a great number of them who do wish to take down those who do not believe what they believe. This makes me sad for the true and faithful Muslims who would not hurt anyone in the name of God; however, I call upon those good and faithful individuals to stand up to those who are terrorizing and doing so in the name of their religion. If they are so good and faithful, I believe that God would want them to stand strong against such actions. If I knew of Christians who were hurting others and doing so in the name of Christ, I would be one of the first people in line to get them to back off. No, we cannot afford to turn a blind eye and be kind. There have been too many incidences that speak otherwise. Phoebe - I get that you are trying to be fair and explain that a comment cannot be taken out of context but there can be no crack at all in the door on this message. Let our leader call upon the Muslims to stand up to the Muslims and hold them accountable. We are in trouble in many ways in great part due to the Muslim extremists - not just financially – but for the long term control of our own country. Muslims extremists are patient. They will and are planting people in our country even as I type this message. Do not fall asleep on this one. You will wake up wishing you hadn’t.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

trimar7 - That was a great response. That was a very good question. If the majority of Muslims living among us are the peaceful type, why don't they rise up against the bad types? Logic would tell you the bad outnumber the good, or the bad are so bad, the good are terrified of them. I'll bet France and some other countries wish they had paid more attention when the huge influx of Muslims begin in their country.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

People without guns standing up to those with guns typically does not end well.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, that is very true. But if this were a peaceful religion as they claim why would so many have guns and be willing to harm others?


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Old Poolman,

Because when the US left Russia and the other countries over a decade ago, it left the surrounding countries in choas. They wanted a powerful group that could help rebuild their nation. That group, which the US helped create by not offering any sort of help and just redrawing, hated us for what we did while we were there. So, they used religion to back up their hatred just like people will quote Bible verses against others to justify their own anger.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phobe, I don't know enough about this history you describe to comment on that. But it appears you just said this religious group you describe as peace loving was founded on hatred of the US?


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Partisan Patriot, great hub, covers the fear instilled in the US for decades. I remember being told when boarding international flights to loose my dog tags and any military ID as I would be killed first in the event of a hijack. Screw the rag heads, I didn't hide anything. They are about half as peaceful as a bunch of pissed of Marines, Kill 'em all, let god sort them out. He has no use for Muslims period, great write, 50


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Old Poolman,

The group that uses the religion as an umbrella for their hate bases their anger on our actions about a decade ago. They use their religion to justify their actions like so many others have before them. This isn't the first time people have used their religion for their own selfish gains.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

Where to begin, I guess when you’re dealing with such a blind Liberal Muslim and Obama apologist you have to deal with each erroneous point. So here we go; what exactly I meant by my remark regarding your journalism degree and your aspirations of making Time Magazine, the answer is one in the same! Everyone who is honest realizes our universities are nothing more than Liberal Assembly Lines turning out robot journalists after robot journalists charged with going forth and spewing the Liberal Propaganda with which they have been indoctrinated for the past 4 plus years. As for Time Magazine if you wish to be published in that Liberal Rag you had better write something that agrees with their thinking. That Dear Lady is what I meant in Spades!

Ah me thinks you protest too much and your true self emerges; blame the Jews! “Was it not a Jewish man who sued an airport for having a Christmas tree on the grounds of discrimination?” Yes you are correct but one misguided Jew pales in comparison to your politically correct anti Christian movement led mostly by Liberals in support of their most recent religion of choice, Islam. The fact is and I know I repeat myself but we are a Judeo- Christian Nation and even thought we are tolerant of all other religious groups, we should cease and desists from continually caving to the wishes of the minority!

I can’t believe you would live in such a dreadful country. You along with your Regime Leader continually point out America’s transgressions! If you find my defense of the country I love laughable then that continues to define who you are. You are a charter member of the Hate America First crowd. Let’s see your litany consist of; America has done some horrible things; the Bush family knew what was happening in Iraq; they knew and shook hands with the men responsible for literally thousands of deaths; we killed more than twice the amount of people in two weeks while we invaded their country, than they did on 9/11. Lest I remind you Ms. Hate America First, we were attacked on 911; we did not initiate this conflict; this current WAR and yes it is a war regardless what your President chooses to call it was started by your beloved Muslims; you know the peaceful ones that just want to be understood. Ask Daniel Pearl how much compassion and understanding they extended to him; that’s tight he can’t talk; he’s missing a HEAD!

Just keep your head submerged in the sand and you’ll never have answers for your questions; why were we there; they had evidence that it wasn't Iraq, yet we pressed forward. If you truly believe Sadam did not have weapons of mass destructions then you truly are beyond hope. Might I suggest you join the Rosi O’Donnell Society; you know that group that believes 911 was a hoax or possibly you should become a member of the Ahmadinejad “The Holocaust was a Hoax Society”. Their logic tends to parallel yours!

One simple question; how do you make peace or attempt to coexist with a SECT that has established as it’s only goal the annihilation of anyone that doesn’t succumb to their religious beliefs? Please quit eating your Pie in the Sky! No I would not kill them all because of ONE line in their book; but I will defend myself because of the atrocities which I have enumerated above! As for judging the innocent, I’m not; the litany chronicled above was perpetrated by guilty Muslims not innocent ones!

I do focus on people and acknowledge there is evil in all societies. Yet not since the crusades has the world encountered a society that is focused on world domination based on a religious philosophy. Ever heard of the word Dhimmitude, it is the Muslim system of controlling non-Muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-Muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence and as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

I never said I was a conservative and oppose the Obama Regime but anyone with half a brain can glean that from my writings; so you dear lady anyone with half a brain can deduce you love Islam! I know you are so enlightened you are a citizen of the world; you love people, not the religion; you look past your own biases and really see people as people; you understand many people are not actually in control of their lives but subject to what others tell them and do not think about it! God can I please just bath in your divine benevolence for just a moment. Is there any cliché you missed?

No, I would not like to see them all killed, just the ones that want to kill us!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Old Poolguy, Trimar and 50

Thanks for your support, as you can see from my lengthy reply to Phoebe I'm spent!


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

PP - Great response. Like you, I now know there is nothing that can be said that will change Phoebes mind, or give her a different view on this subject. Perhaps she needs to go live for a couple years in a Muslim country, and then write her book.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Patriot,

"Ms. Hate America"? Are you seriously telling me how I feel about my country? Your label is both wrong and offensive. I am appalled that my example of another religion automatically made you think I was against the Jews. It was an example to show that Muslims are not the only ones who don't want Christmas displays in public places, nothing more, nothing less.

You assume to know what I think and feel because I tell you that hate can only cause more hate. How do you make peace with people who want to kill you? Not by using their threats. Believe it or not, I love this country dearly. I even tried to be part of the army, but for my health it was not possible. So for you to tell me that I hate my country, which I would be willing to die for is so offensive that words cannot even begin to describe how shocked I am that you would write such a thing.

I defend Muslims who are not part of that group, so I must be a Muslim-loving-America-hating-liberal, right? No. That is not me at all. I love having freedom of speech. I love being able to wear what I want, say what I want, do whatever I want and despite this, you accuse me of several things that are so far off the mark it's laughable.

"I never said I was a conservative and oppose the Obama Regime but anyone with half a brain can glean that from my writings; so you dear lady anyone with half a brain can deduce you love Islam! I know you are so enlightened you are a citizen of the world; you love people, not the religion; you look past your own biases and really see people as people; you understand many people are not actually in control of their lives but subject to what others tell them and do not think about it! God can I please just bath in your divine benevolence for just a moment. Is there any cliché you missed?" I never claimed to be benevolent. Instead, I merely see people as humans. Human-beings. Religion aside, crimes are crimes. People commit those crimes. I am not perfect, no one is, and for you to assume I claimed otherwise makes me wonder why you feel so insecure (or is it angry?) when someone loves people for being people? Why are you so upset that I believe the guilty should be blames and the innocent left out of it? Why does it offend you so much that I don't see the point in killing people when you could simply show them a different way of thinking?

America did leave countries before without helping to clean up the mess, which made the people angry. It's a well-established fact that groups hate America, but no one seems to ask why. No country is perfect and though I do love my country, I am not afraid to look at it's past mistakes, because if we don't, we will just repeat them and start this whole cycle again.

As for 9/11 being a hoax and there is a group for it, that's just messed up. It happened. It was horrible and I hope for everyone's sake it doesn't happen again. As for the Holocaust, there is one still going on today, but no one seems to try stopping it because it is a small country and no one seems to care, I wonder if you know which one I am referring to?

As for living in a Muslim country for a few years, no thank you. I do not want to live under their laws. There are some who would enjoy it, but I prefer the American way of life.

As for my school telling us what to write, that is hilarious. In fact, our first assignment for writing was to write a story from twelve different perspectives. When most of the class had topics that were close to each other, the teacher told them to re-write those and come up with their own views. Our teacher was trying to teach us to find our own views and if we all came up with the same papers, then we were forced to redo the assignment. To her, it was about the facts and the way we saw them, not how we thought she wanted to see them. So please, don't insult my major or my school as you clearly aren't in my classes to pass criticism on something you don't know. Unless you are in my class, then judge away. But from the sound of it, all journalists must be puppets so am I just spewing what other people put into my head?

My mind can be changed and so far all I have read is your anger towards a sect of people who have clearly not taken control of their lives, but rather follow others and are judged because they did what they thought was right. The simple truth is, if they truly understood what they were doing, they wouldn't actually do it unless they truly were evil. I wonder what would happen if we met with the top leaders and showed them what they did, told them the stories behind each person they harmed and explained our way of life to them thoroughly, if they would change? According to you, probably not... but why not try it?


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

I’ll begin with my best Andy Rooney impersonation; ever wonder why Liberals run away from their label and conservatives proudly embrace theirs; well Phoebe that’s not a rhetorical question. You have just spend considerable time and effort protesting the fact I challenged your love for America by pointing out your “Hate America First” positions yet your positions as detailed in our recent exchanges say otherwise! But having said that I’ll now deal with your voracious diatrod!

"Ms. Hate America"? Are you seriously telling me how I feel about my country? No dear lady your previous statements and positions tell me how you feel about this country; like your beloved President you can’t run away from your record!

“Your label is both wrong and offensive; Muslims are not the only ones who don't want Christmas displays in public places, nothing more, nothing less.” One misguided Jew pales in comparison to entire nations of Muslims that are pledged to wipe both Israel and the United States off the map and impose their religion on the world!

Your positions on peace parallel those of the protesters of the 60’s which led to America’s first and only defeat in a war. The stakes this time are much higher; pull out; turn the other cheek; refuse to even acknowledge the enemy that has pledged to annihilate us and it will be the end of the U.S.A. That enemy is Radical Islam! You say; “hate can only cause more hate;” “how do you make peace with people who want to kill you; not by using their threats.” I went to great lengths in my blog to demonstrate what your proposed handling of the situation gave us, decades of unanswered extremism culminating in the 911 attack. No Phoebe, there is indeed evil in this world and to disavow its existence will lead to your own ruination and destruction; you can’t make peace with nor tame a rattle snake!

Enjoy your good laugh while you continue to pretend to be what you’re not. Muslims who are not part of that group need to stand up and defend themselves; they don’t need you to do so. You allege they are afraid for their lives yet that freedom of speech right you allude to affords the same protection to the Muslims in this country; you know the same ones that contributed so greatly to America’s heritage. Why are they not speaking out; why do they remain silent; they aren’t afraid? There’s only one logical conclusion!

You said, “crimes are crimes; people commit those crimes.” People do commit crimes but when a government commits crimes against people in the name of religion it is Genocide; this is what Radical Islam is attempting to do to the rest of the world! Radical Islam dominates the governments of most middle eastern countries and they have pledged to wipe Israel off the face of the earth; that is Genocide!

You must be a direct descendant of Peter Pan and Tinker Bell which is the only logical explanation for you world views. “You don't see the point in killing people when you could simply show them a different way of thinking?” Tell me how many tried before WWII to show Hitler a different way of thinking? Sometimes you have to stand and fight when confronted with an enemy hell bent on World Domination. Ever heard of a Muslim Caliphate?

Your allusion to our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the Holocaust seals the deal for me. You are indeed a radical liberal and a charter member of the Hate America First Club. How can your crowd forget we were attacked on 911; I know how do you put it, Bush lied and people died. Well your silly clichés resulted in our withdrawal from Vietnam which resulted in massive slaughters of humanity by the thugs and villains who rushed in to fill the void following the fall of South Vietnam and Cambodia. Well keep up your agitating which will result in our withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq and see who rushes in to fill the void? This time America will not be shielded from the slaughter by geography; 911 proved we live in a much different world!

Huuuuum you say “I prefer the American way of life;” yet you refuse to acknowledge the threat that looms on the horizon!

Phoebe, please give me some credit here; I didn’t just fall off the turnip truck; I may have been born at night but I wasn’t born last night. Finally it is being publically acknowledged there is definitely a Liberal Bias in the News. Bernard Goldberg exposed it all when he finally had an epiphany and left CBS. He said and I quote, “The old argument that the networks and other ‘media elites’ have a liberal bias is so blatantly true that it’s hardly worth discussing anymore. No, we don’t sit around in dark corners and plan strategies on how we’re going to slant the news. We don’t have to. It comes naturally to most reporters." It comes naturally because these reporters are journalists, the same journalists I referred to. I’m not insulting your major or school; it simply is what it is. Can you possibly justify and defend the pathetic job the media did on vetting Barrack Hussein Obama; you can’t vet someone while carrying their water!

In conclusion all I can leave you with is you are one of the million misguided idealists whose view of the world is based on their quest for Nirvana; if only we could all get along; if only there was no more poverty; if only we could all sit down and discuss our differences in a civilized manner. Well the fact is with certain people you can’t sit down and discuss the root cause civilly because the root cause of your difference is their denial of your right to exist; just ask Netanyahu! I’ll have to leave you with this; I respect your right to be wrong!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Partiot,

You are basically calling me an idiot for not agreeing with your extrmely biased hub where you judged one thing in an entire speech. I simply told you that Islam has affected America's history and from the sound of your comments, you agree. If they didn't have anything to do with America, why would you be so opinionated on the matter of them needing to disappear?

By your logic, let's go over and kill anyone who thinks America is anything but a beautiful place full of hope and freedom...

You are so ready to attack my views as "Liberal". If you are so sure of your views, why bother discussing anything at all? Clearly you must know it all if you say such degrading things to anyone who disagrees. You respect my "right to be wrong" just like I respect your right to judge me even though you probably have never read a single hub I've written, had a real conversation or even thought about thinking that maybe, just maybe, I was just proving that Islam has had a hand in American history.

If I were to judge you based solely on your comments, and read as far into them as I want, I could call you many things. Like a hypocrite. You say only the innocent can be all right, yet there are innocent people who have committed no crimes that you would kill based on their upbringing. The ones who have not harmed anyone might still believe you should die but will never act on it. You can't kill everyone based on an idea otherwise it will cement it into everyone around them.

The only reason I bothered to say anything about another religion was ONLY to point out that we change traditions for other religions and that your statement about Christmas parades being cancelled because of the minority was strange considering that this country is the most diverse in religions than any other nation in the world.

I am so misguided in working towards peace, then why do we have war at all? Isn't war supposed to stop the "evil" and bring about the "good"? Think about it, I said we should be prepared for war but hope and work towards peaceful coexistance. Yet that is such a bad idea because you assume I meant to lay back and let "Hitler" happen all over again. Maybe I should write in such length and detail you can't possibly misunderstand, but I have three jobs, a kid and a lot more to do than defend myself against someone who assumes and reads so far into works he can morph the meaning... maybe you should be a politician and have your masses just follow you because no other way of thinking is right, right? Have a great day and good luck with your thinking.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, you are very passionate about this subject, but I still feel you are only looking at one side. This runs parallel with the subject of illegal immigration. Not all of those entering this country illegally are bad people, they are just dead broke, hungry, and looking for work. But mixed in with them is a percentage of very bad people. I don't dislike them at all in spite of the heavy impact they bring to our economy. I know this is a completely separate subject, just trying to convey to you that mixed in with the good Muslims, are some very bad Muslims. Your position seems to say they are all good and wonderful people, and that just isn't true.

I don't know of any place that has stopped them from building their Mosques, or told them they had to live in a certain area of any town.

Your dreams of peace will never happen as long as there are people populating this planet. You would not be welcome in many countries because of your faith and culture. But if you were in another country would you try to change their laws, or their culture, to better accommodate a US Citizen that chose to live among them? I doubt it our you might find yourself missing your head one day.

I am very uncomfortable with the huge influx of Muslims into this country, because of the bad mixed in with the good. Ask someone from France if they wish they had paid just a little more attention to their influx.


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

I'll quote a sound bite like liberals do:

logic, let's go over and kill anyone who thinks America is anything but a beautiful place full of hope and freedom...

I agree with you Phoebe! Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!

ROTFLMAO

50


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

I apologize if you think I was calling you an idiot and no I wasn’t judging one thing in King Hussein’s entire speech. It was like the final straw for me in a long list of what I see as atrocities; he refused to extend an Easter Greetings to Christians for the past two years yet for those same two years he has extended a Happy Ramadan to his Muslims friends; he’s the only president that does not attend church services regularly on Sundays; he sat in Reverend Wright’s church and listened to anti American rhetoric for 20 plus years and only disavowed him when it became politically expedient to do so; he instructed the leader of NASA that their new mission was to engage in Muslim outreach so as to make them feel good about themselves and finally he replaced the American flags which used to be displayed behind the President in the press briefing room with some gold middle eastern tapestry! That litany is part of the the basic for my remarks!

I agree Islam has affected America's history; I chronicled its’ effects above in my blog! America has its faults but it’s still the greatest country God ever gave mankind!

Your views are Liberal; why aren’t you standing up and saying “damned right I’m a Liberal? I’ll answer that for you; in today’s world liberalism is synonymous with Socialism!

I am sure of my views and the reason I bother discussing them with you is in hopes of winning you over; we simply cannot stand 4 more years of Barrack Hussein Obama! We need every vote to defeat him, yours included!

Phoebe, the innocent of which you speak wait in line for their turn to have the next bomb strapped to the so as to go forth and kill hundreds, maybe thousands in the name of Allah. They have indoctrinated of course but unfortunately they are beyond saving from the culture within which they were indoctrinated. It comes down to either their survival or ours!

Phoebe this country is diverse with many religions indeed but of all the religions only one is Hell Bent on World Domination! You are misguided and we have war because of misguided individuals like yourself. 911, happened because Osama Bin Laden saw America as nothing more than a Paper Tiger; he said so himself. The litany of attacks on the western world went unanswered for decades so the Islamic Extremist grew bolder and bolder; such is the nature of the Beast!

My dear you do not have to EXPLAIN THINGS TO ME; I am able to read between the lines of your Liberal Garbage quite clearly thank you very much! War does stop the "evil" but only temporarily. You see there will always be evil and once thwarted it will resurface again and again and again; such is the history of man dating back from the day God cast Satan out of Heaven; you do believe in God don’t you?

Phoebe; I hope you have a great day and find that Nirvana you’re looking for!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Old Pool Guy

I appreciate your continued support but in this case it becomes increasingly apparent we are dealing with a Pollyanna to the Nth degree; you, me and the rest of us are just wasting our key strokes!

50

I admire Righteous Indignation!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Patriot,

I am not part of a single political party as I do not agree with everything a party believes. I have some liberal views, such as same-sex marriage (if a man can marry two women, why can't a man marry another man?), I have some Republican views and some Democratic. I won't list my entire beliefs because it's not something of interest plus I honestly don't feel like typing that much right now.

You know what I don't understand, why no one bothers blaming Congress. As everyone knows, the president is useless unless congress agrees with him and the plans set out by the president can't be used unless it goes through a vote. Honestly I don't know why we all pass the blame along like this... if you don't like the president, impeach him. He's our employee. The people are supposed to lead and control this nation. We appoint representatives to voice how the majority feels, and though we all complain about the state of things, we do nothing about it. If people aren't leading this nation, what happens? Our current situation happens. We have let the corrupt politics rule this country for far too long. If the majority is unhappy with his performance, then dismiss him and stop complaining. With all the time it took you to complain, that was time you could have used working towards fixing what you are unhappy with.

Yes, some Muslims are bad, but some are good. Just like some Christians are good and some are bad. I am just so tired of people complaining when they could easily be writing to their representatives instead. Why don't you invite your representatives to read this hub and show them how strongly you feel towards Obama's actions?

Call me Pollyanna all the you like and say you are wasting your time, but it is you who are still writing despite saying it wastes your words. Clearly you don't really believe that or you would stop writing by now.

50,

You cut off the beginning of the sentence but I have to admit it was funny. -_^

Old Poolman,

I don't believe illegal immigrants should be allowed into this country because they should just follow the procedures to become citizens. If they are starving and jobless, they should be given a 6-month visa in which to find shelter and a job provided by the state, like construction or something of similiart nature... then, when their visa is up, they should report to a government building and apply for citizenship. They don't starve, they helped the economy by working for room and board and some spending money and by reporting to the government, if they fail the test, they go back without lingering in the country. Though there are flaws in this plan, it seems a better solution than current laws.

Partisan Patriot,

Who would you vote for? A conservative by the name of? I look at those running for president and none of them would I vote for. I've done my research of each candidate and none of them seem like they could do the job. Obama is too soft to sway Congress, Romney never makes it to the ballot, and everyone else seems uninformed or like another Bush. So, is there a candidate I am missing? Because from the looks of it, the only people who could be a choice, will only lead us into further economic crisis... your thoughts?


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

I would vote for Elmer Fudd if he were running against Obama. Since I’m retired I spend hours upon hours a day doing my research; if you care to learn read my hubs. Fact is Phoebe we are a country founded on Capitalism and the fact we grew from nothing to the most prosperous and powerful country in the world in a little over 200 years proves beyond a shadow of a doubt Capitalism works. Now for the first time in history the public has elected Socialists who has accomplished in a little less than 3 years what no other country has been able to achieve, the destruction of America. But then again remember Khrushchev’s words, we will bury you without firing a shot. Well it seems his prophecy is indeed coming through.

We have one more chance to save this country, November 2012 and I pray every day we don’t blow it. Four more years of his Socialists agenda and we will not recover. So Phoebe, the question isn’t whether you like any Republican it is can we stand any more of this guy’s Socialism and redistributive policies.

Finally I couldn’t disagree with you more. You say … “from the looks of it, the only people who could be a choice, will only lead us into further economic crisis” Every Republican running is a committed Capitalists; if elected any one of them will get government out of the way and allow free enterprise to work and put people back to work. The reason private enterprise isn’t hiring is because of Obama Care, increased Federal Regulations and an overall fear of this administration; change administrations and see what happens!

So Phoebe, do I now have your vote?


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Patriot,

Bush was a hardcore Republican, and look where he got us. I think we need a different approach. Not only did Bush take away from the future by "borrowing" and giving to the workers at the time in hopes of stimulating the economy, but he also had only nice things to say about Don Remsfeld until it became politically unpopular to say nice things about someone who allowed torture and murder to happen on his watch.

Also, did you know that three reporters were able to find the center of a terrorist base of operations in a week while Bush was unable to find anything in eight years? There was speculation that he didn't find the people he was supposed to so he could be re-elected... of course it could be that he never thought to send a small group in civilian clothing to track them down. *Shrug*

Of course, Bush shouldn't represent a whole party on his own, I mean, it was only 8-years that he was there and there were a lot of good Republicans who were president.

It's a bit strange everyone is calling it ObamaCare... who voted to pass it? Oh... that's right, the people we elected. There is an easy fix you know, just fight in court as unconstitional and it would be amended if enough people join the suit. Obama kind of screwed himself over with the people he appointed because there are all different voices and opinions that keep shouting out to be heard, but in all the chaos, nothing can be done because the politicians are so afraid to look bad, they won't listen.

If we continue the same approach, it will destroy us. We grew too fast and now they are unsure of how to handle it. That being said, I think we should abolish the parties and start over. I think people should actually do the research behind each candidate and not vote blindly because of their political party umbrella. But, that's just what I think. I have actually asked people why they were voting for someone and their only reason was "Because I'm Democrat" or "They are a Republican"... then I asked them if they believed in every aspect of the party and all of them had things they did not like and wished the party would drop. Yet they still voted for their choices based solely on their political party. That makes me very concerned. Other countries would love to have the right to vote, but now more people vote for American Idol than for the next president!

As for your cartoon character vote, it was actually a serious question. I don't see anyone I want to vote for so far, but the elections aren't here yet and there is still plenty of time for someone to prove otherwise. I just cross my fingers that it won't be another Nixon or another Bush...


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, It is a known fact our current President shares your love of the Muslim community. I would ask if you agree with everything this President has done to and for this country. This question requires only a yes/no answer.

I would be very interested in what you perceive as the good he has done, and the bad he has done.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

Bush was a Republican but he was hardly hardcore. If you want a hardcore Republican look to Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman or yes even Sarah Palin. These are hard core Republicans. Even Romney doesn’t qualify because even though he is Right on the economy, he’s too liberal on the social issues; Bush was Right on National Defense but wrong on economic issues thus came TARP. However having said all that Obama is a DISASTER on all issues. Four more years of his Regime and you won’t recognize America!

Surprise surprise, I couldn’t disagree with you more when it comes to Don Rumsfeld. Just tell me please exactly who he murdered and if you’re referring to Waterboarding as torture then once again you allow your Pollyanna views to distort the truth. Torture is sawing someone’s head off while they lie in the floor of a slaughter house screaming in pain! Those we Waterboarded were responsible for such atrocious acts!

The people I elected didn’t vote to pass ObamaCare; only Democrats voted to pass it; not one single Republican vote; I have never voted for a Democrat once out of college and awakened from my drunken stupor. I also remind you the Democrats rammed Obama Care down our throats despite 68% of the population objecting to it.

I actually agree with you on your assertion people should actually do the research behind each candidate and not vote blindly because of their political party umbrella. The problem is even if you vote for what appears to be a good Democrat ( an Oxymoronic Phrase) once in D.C. they will toe the party line; case in point Bart Stupak voting against his conscience and for Obamacare; you do know who Bart Stupak is and how he was pressured to join Pelosi’s Light Brigade don’t you/.

I was being absurd so as to demonstrate just how absurd 4 more years of Obama would be. If you are truly informed as you say; if you have a daughter and fear for her future; if you believe in the American Constitution then there is no way you can support Obama; thus Elmer Fudd would be a better president than Obama.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Poolman,

Of course not. I can actually honestly say I have never agreed 100% with any president in history, but that might be because society was entirely different during Lincoln and Grant's time.

Partisan Patriot,

As for torture, not all of them did the crimes... have you seen the numbers for it? I'll give you a few link when I find my research papers... though stimulating drowning isn't sawing a head off, it isn't exactly what we should be promoting. There are other ways to get information out of people because the water treatment. Sure, violence gets results, but how can you support that kind of violence?

"Surprise surprise, I couldn’t disagree with you more when it comes to Don Rumsfeld. Just tell me please exactly who he murdered and if you’re referring to Waterboarding as torture then once again you allow your Pollyanna views to distort the truth." By your logic, the person in charge should be blameless because he didn't "do" it, just like Hitler has never been recorded as actually pulling the trigger to the firing squad... think about it. Those in charge told the ones below what to do.

I got the joke, but I didn't really find it amusing.

I actually have a son, not a daughter. I plan on voting for the person who best suits my own personal beliefs on the political government. For example, I believe the government is supposed to protect the people, not rule their lives... but be helpful in situations that the state cannot regulate.

I support our president, because he is our president. I voted for him because, let's be honest, it was either him or we'd be stuck with Palin. I would have considered the other candidate until he choose Palin. That woman drives me up the wall! Did you know she actually had a librarian fired because she wouldn't get rid of book Palin disagreed with? Thank God that Palin isn't in the running... (You have heard about that, right?)

Everyone reading this,

As for my "love of Islam", let me get this out on record before it becomes brought up in every other comment... I am not a Muslim. I wouldn't have to go "undercover" if I was. Secondly, I am getting pretty tired of people assuming I love Islam. I love people. PEOPLE. My religion is Christianity with some mixes of other religions... like I have adopted some philosophy from other religions. I have not adopted views from the Islamic community, but I have read their books as I have read any book that interests the topic I am researching.

For example; I have read entire collections on the Civil War simply because I was interested in the information. Just like how I have read the Torah because I wanted to learn more about it. My life's ambition is to learn. Nothing more than that. I just like to learn and read. *Shrug* That being said, I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but I am content sitting in a library and pouring over books. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion, which is why I even bother commenting on this hub at all. -I just wanted to put that out there so we can stop with the whole "Islam love" thing.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, I think it is time for us to call this to a close. It is evident we will never all agree, and we are just beating a dead horse.

Good luck with your writing, and thanks for the return to my comments.


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Old Poolman 5 years ago from Rural Arizona

Phoebe, I think it is time for us to call this to a close. It is evident we will never all agree, and we are just beating a dead horse.

Good luck with your writing, and thanks for the return to me comments.


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Old Poolman,

You're welcome and thank you for your civil words.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

There are other ways to get information out of people other than the water treatment but there’s just one slight problem with them; THEY DON’T WORK. It is an undisputable fact the water boarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed resulted in the information which led to the capture of Sadam and the thwarting of several additional plots to kill Americans and other Westerners. Sorry Phoebe but water boarding no way comes close to sawing off someone’s head.

What are you now comparing Don Rumsfeld to Hitler? Again I ask exactly who was he responsible for murdering? Please tell me you’re not equating our going to war with Iraq to mass murder!

As the mother of a son I hope you realize the magnitude of this upcoming election. One only has to look at Greece to see what 4 more years of Obama will yield. The United States of America is a Republic with a Constitution; Barrack Hussein Obama is turning it into an Oligarchy with a Socialists Manifesto as the governing Document! Four more years of his policies and there will be no jobs left; what little industry now left in this country will pack up and leave because they will not tolerate his anti business policies any longer. The only business that will get a temporary boost following his re-election will be tourism as they book flight after flight out of this country!

Phoebe, one final point on Islam vs. Christianity. Not one single Imam to my knowledge has spoken out against the atrocities committed by the Muslim Extremist throughout the world however look at what Pope John Paul did during the decline and fall of the former Soviet Union. He risk life and limb to venture into the belly of the beast and preach against Communism; that Phoebe is real courage and leadership!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

Partisan Patriot,

You realize your first sentence is a contradiction, right? "There are other ways to get information out of people other than the water treatment but there’s just one slight problem with them; THEY DON’T WORK." 'There are other ways to get information out of people' such as traditional methods that work for other criminals and have yielded successful confessions... was it was just a weird grammar error?

Again, you read too far into my words. You just love doing that, since you have compared my ideas to the ones that got Hitler in power and now you're bent out of shape when I use a similar example? Like Old Poolman said, we're beating a dead horse.

If I didn't know the importance of the next election, why would I bother doing research on each candidate when I could be studying in more depth Fanon or even more Proust. I study and watch each debate and I look at their histories, including what they voted for... this might sound a bit extreme, but I also have charts for each candidate which only gets more intense as it is narrowed down... I take my votes VERY seriously. I don't want them to be wasted.

Pope John Paul, now he was interesting. I actually had to write an essay on him in middle school... you'd be surprised what kind of life he led. Of course from the sound of it, you probably researched him as well.

I have to have release forms signed before I can show you people speaking out against the Extremists... but I have to wait till I go to all the states otherwise people might know I am coming and it could ruin the project... I'll let you know when you can see or hear the tapes. Because even if a paper doesn't pick it up, it doesn't stop me from using youtube or hubpages. :)

How about we agree to disagree? You support water treatments and I do not. Enough said. I'm sorry, but I have met people who went under that treatment even though they didn't do anything. They got a quick, "Our bad" and let go... so forgive me if I don't think it's a good idea.


Dusty 5 years ago

Damn,Partisan Patriot, you still putting up with this ignorant person? I figure these types of folks won't survive the initial few months of a collapse of this country into another severe depression. Hell if a group banded for survival just listening to the spew of rhetoric would be grounds for giving them the ultimate in peace, while gaining the loss of irritation, no? hahahaha


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe, for the life of me I don’t see the contradiction. I open with your statement then rebut in all caps, they don’t work. Next I state a fact regarding the information extracted from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Where’s the contradiction?

As for your and my Hitler reference it is what it is!

As for your next vote; Phoebe if you research each candidate, including Barrack Hussein Obama then you have to arrive at one and only one conclusion. The choice has never been clearer. A vote for Obama represents a vote for more Regulations, Bigger Government and higher unemployment; business will not turn loose of money as long as this Regime is in power. A vote for any Republican means one thing……..RECOVERY!

Having said all that; I believe it’s time we parted company and agree to disagree. I wish you the best on your project!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Dusty

Note my comments above; I'm moving on!


Discothek 5 years ago

We can't say that the Muslims are the founders of America. The Muslims shouldn't get the credit for that.

Yes, there should be the freedom of relegion and the USA grants this right to everyone. The fact is that we can not tolerate the violence. Everyone deserves to live in peace, no matter what religion or nationality he or she has.

So, as long as a religion does not promote the violence, then it should be ok!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Discothek

Thanks for the visit and comments.


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trimar7 5 years ago from New York

Phoebe - you certainly have caused quite a stir on this issue. It takes me a week to get caught up as my weeks are so busy now. Your last comment to me basically states that people without guns cannot successfully stand up to those without guns. Do you truly believe that? Do you really live in this country? Dr. Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and many, many others. Do they ring a bell to you? No one said they have to go against a bullet to give a strong voice against their own to say loud and clear - "WE DO NOT SUPPORT MUSLIMS WHO STAND FOR VIOLENCE and we appreciate living in a peaceful country like the United States of America where we are allowed to have a voice." Please tell me when you hear a group of Muslims standing out in peaceful protest of what is going on around the world and -- do not cover your eyes --- your own country. No one is saying all Muslims are bad. I despise when a select group is all lumped together. I am calling upon those who I know are good faithful Muslims to give a strong voice against their own who are not. I am waiting. I do not hear the voices yet. I would ask - WHY???


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Trimar

Your Dr. Martin Luther King rebuttal was great; thanks you knocked it out of the park!


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

@Trimar, that is an awesome line of thought and a point, match game over.

There are no Muslims protesting the Jihad or even adoption of Sharia Law that has some sick crap in it! Like mutilating pubescent little girls vagina or clitoris turning them into inflatable dolls with obviously no participation in the fun side of "go forth and multiply"

sick sick sick Phoebe goes first, obviously willing eh?


Watchman4JesusONLY 5 years ago

"I am not saying I would personally want to live under their laws, but I live in America."

What does this mean? "but I live in America?" You think this will save you in the future?

Soon you will see Sharia Law here in America and you WILL LIVE UNDER THEIR LAWS if they come full force and you have no ROCK to stand on, that is their objective silly girl. Don't think it won't happen, it is written.."But I live in AMERICA" won't cut it for you sweetpea. (You really should read the Bible)

"MARK" my words, its acoming for those who have the intelligence and spirituality to see it for what it is.

Wonder if you will write a sweet little hub for the 12th Imam? Hurry because I heard you are going first as a willing participant! wink-wink.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

watchman

There are those whose naïveté keeps them forever in the dark until it's too late!


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trimar7 5 years ago from New York

Phoebe - I think you are defeated on this one. We can only hope that there are very few people out there who think like you do!


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Trimar

Game-Set-Match or in other words Checkmate!


Phoebe Pike 5 years ago

In a few short weeks, I should be getting paperwork that will allow me to show you videos on peaceful protests the Muslim communities in America have against what happened. Sorry for the lateness of my reply, I haven't had time to check in here. I still need to get signatures otherwise I will have to hide their faces. And if I block out faces, that tends to get a lot of people saying it isn't a real video and "blah, blah, blah".

There are a lot of videos on youtube that show Muslim protesting. Not everyone has the desire to shout out their beliefs. In fact, at many workplaces, you can lose your job for speaking about religion. It's not a great shock to anyone that not everyone shouts it from the rooftops. Most just speak at community centers. There are groups dedicated to peaceful coexistance. If you google it and do a little research on it, you will find it easily.

As for researching each candidate, I do research every candidate, including Obama. Quite frankly, I would have preferred Clinton. No matter who we vote for, people will complain and cuss for 4-8 years about the president. I honestly believe we should abolish the major political parties. Otherwise we get the mob mentality and many naturally assume their choice will keep the promises they made.

It's not a bad thing to die for a cause, but it's not exactly something everyone would do. It's like becoming a soldier to your cause, more power to those who do it. To feel so strongly that you will risk your life is a very fascinating thing. It's not always the "right" cause, as we've seen with suicide missions, but it is something they felt strongly enough about to do. I am not saying that no one stands up to guns, but do you honestly believe the news will show Muslims getting shot because they stood up for their beliefs? Of course not... we may get a few clips of it, but most of it is in remote areas where television reporters don't go, or choose not to show.

It's interesting that most of you (not all of course) call me ignorant for not believing what you do politically. In fact, it's laughable. I am ignorant for pointing out that religion does affect the history of our country? I am ignorant for wanting things to be different? I'm sorry, but I would rather be ignorantly trying to coexist while being prepared for the worst, then naturally assume a political party will solve all my problems. Bush was enough. "No Child Left Behind", private roads that only the wealthy can afford, big on the oil companies... I would like to see a more balanced political system. Maybe one where the previous presidents don't get a check from the taxes and free healthcare. Maybe one where the people are really represented, because everyone knows Bush did not win the majority of the public's vote. True, I wasn't a fan of his opponent either, but should what the American people want matter to those who supposedly represent our best interests?

Oh, and for Watchman4JesusONLY's comment... I have read the Bible multiple times. In fact, I've read over three versions of it. I've also read the Torah in both English and Hebrew. I have also read other Holy books and the fact that I don't personally agree with a country's laws, shouldn't bother you in the least. I pay my taxes, I send care packages to the troops because I believe that they are heroes. I think that anyone willing to fight for their country is. Whether I agree with the reasons behind it doesn't matter. The people who are dying for us do.

Also, other religions harm our bodies. The penis skin is cut off, which many argue is better for the man, other religions actually dictate that girls must have their hair ripped from their heads in order to be considered the "marrying type". Let's not forget that other religions are out there that hurt people, yet I hear no one complaining about them on this hub... why? Maybe it's because everyone is so focused on telling me how horrible one country is, that they forget about the crimes against humanity in other parts of the globe?

Did I miss anything? Oh, would I be willing to volunteer? I have all ready been brutalized in the past and have no desire to be cut up again. The fact is, I was attacked in America, by Americans. They were protected by our laws and did not even have to appear in a court room. Why? Because they were police officers and "were doing their jobs". With no "evidence" they walked free. I hold no grudge to America, or the men who did attack me. My point is, every country has people who will harm young girls and is protected by the country's laws.


Partisan Patriot 5 years ago Author

Phoebe

I appreciate the time and thought you put into your rebuttals; one thing you’re not is ignorant. You may be a bit misguided in your overzealous defense of Muslims but you are definitely not ignorant.

Having said all that I suggest you move on from this hub to greener pastures; I’ve written three other hubs since this one which I’m sure if you visit them you would disagree with what I had to say on them as well.

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