An Independent Scotland?

Scottish National Party

I used to be an SNP member; a staunch member with badge and all. I used to go to the meetings and shout ‘Free Scotland’ with the loudest of them. Trust Scotland to wait until I became a Canadian citizen before holding a referendum about freeing Scotland from the English yoke.

Although I’ve lived in Canada now for over 12 years, I’m still referred to as the Scotsman; the ornery, sometimes unintelligible, rolling ‘R’ Scotsman, or if the guys want to annoy me they refer to me as that Englishman – that is when I become ornery with it. I’ve probably mentioned before that when driving from England to Scotland, you can hear all the car horns tooting as you come to the border, but oddly enough there are never any tooting horns to be heard when driving from Scotland to England.

One of the reasons for this is that the Scots have a deep inferiority complex and need to vent their feeling somehow; the English have that deep comfortable superiority complex and shake their heads at the childish Scots toots. That comfortable feeling may disappear on Thursday Sept 18th. If Scotland votes for a free Scotland, England will be on its own, minus North Sea Oil revenue, which will cause a few furrowed brows south of the border.

Preparing to toss the caber
Preparing to toss the caber

Will it Happen?

Its Unlikely!

Excuse me for my cynicism, but I’m certain that the poll that showed the ‘yes’ vote above the ‘no’ vote was rigged by Westminster. And it was rigged in order to waken up the ‘no’ voters.

Even with all the little problems that have been attached to the referendum, like no Scot who lives in England can vote; no Scots serviceman stationed in England can vote (unless they apply for the special service form, which most of them won’t do – they are more likely to take a couple of days off ‘ill’ and travel north to vote). All the people who reside in Scotland on the day of the vote are allowed to vote, no matter whether they are Scots, English, Welsh, Irish, Canadian, Russian, etc. etc. This makes sense to me.

Some people are complaining because Scots who have immigrated aren’t allowed to vote, but I agree with whatsisname who said ‘If they have chosen to live in another country why should they be allowed to vote?’

The frightening thing about Thursday’s vote is that 16 year olds are allowed to vote….16 year olds! They will be so caught up in the excitement of being able to change the direction of their homeland that they will all vote for independence, without understanding the consequences. It will be like buying a new house without knowing how many floors it has, not knowing if there are services, not knowing when it will fall down – they will know where it’s situated and how old it is, in fact its history is probably one of the reasons why they will vote ‘Yes’.

But it isn’t Scotland’s history that voters should be thinking about; it should be Scotland’s future. Don’t be like Quebec and it’s desperation to keep the French language alive. The Scots aren’t desperate to keep Gaelic alive; they are aware that the English language is the international language, and aren’t in any hurry to go backwards in time.

The only thing the Scots should be considering as they drop that voting slip into the ballot box is whether being an independant nation will help Scotland or hinder it? That’s the only thing they should be considering.

A Pipe Band
A Pipe Band

I’m convinced that the only logical vote is ‘No’.

As I mentioned at the beginning of this Hub, I used to be a fanatical SNP member. Two things made me alter my point of view…

1: I grew up.

2: The Scottish National party started shouting ‘It’s Scotland’s Oil.’ I sat back and reconsidered when that call became the SNP’s slogan. Crude oil doesn’t last for ever, and if that’s what the SNP were counting on to keep Scotland alive during the next century or two, I wasn’t playing. I still have the badge, but I can think of no way that being separate will help my homeland into the future. Being separate won’t reduce the unemployment queues; it will probably make them longer.

But then again, this referendum gives any Scot, 16 and over, the chance of a generation, if not the chance of 3 centuries. If they vote ‘Yes’ and continue living life with the same vitality as the referendum has generated, and don’t resort to the normal sullen outlook on life, Scotland will become a powerhouse. But then again, if Scotland goes its own sweet way and screws it up, they can’t blame England ever again; they can blame nobody but themselves.

The only sensible vote is 'No'.

But one writer claimed she could get a ‘Yes’ vote over all of Scotland by broadcasting ‘Braveheart’ every night.

We’ll find out on Friday morning’ if Scotland does vote for Independance and begins to steer her own course, perhaps her millions of emigrants – the emigrants that help every other nation on the planet towards their futures – will return home.

But to paraphrase a Margaret Thatcher saying as she described a Scottish referendum as ……..‘Turkeys voting for Christmas.’ Maybe the Scots want to get their necks rung.


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Ericdierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Thank you I needed some clarification on the issue.


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JayeWisdom 2 years ago from Deep South, USA

Thanks, John, for your candid and unbiased (really!) description of what is at stake with the Scottish referendum. I can understand the Scots' emotionalism regarding the vote for independence, but--like you--I hope those who actually vote give much careful thought to what would happen to an independent Scotland after North Sea oil is exhausted. If Scotland 'divorces' England, there will be no going back for a reconciliation and remarriage.

There are advantages to being a smaller part of a larger country--the United Kingdom, not England--and having the best of both worlds, a decentralized local government and municipal councils, yet with a strong centralized overall government.

I compare the current situation of Scotland within the UK to living in one state within the USA and having the state governor (and I use that last word loosely for the state in which I reside--there's not much local 'governing' here in my state, only ludicrous posturing) and others bandy about the phrase 'states' rights' far too much. Our states could not exist on their own, and anyone with an IQ above idiocy knows it.

In an effort to appear autonomous, my state's governor and state legislature keep hurting the many poor people in this--the poorest state in the union--by turning up their noses at federal benefits and refusing to accept some of them (mainly those that benefit the poor, a large segment of our population). Yet, when a hurricane devastates our coastline or tornadoes rip apart towns, they expect the federal government to ride to the rescue like the Calvary with federal disaster funds. You just can't have it both ways.

While I'm a fifth-generation American, my forebears include Scots, Irish, English and Austrian (with who knows what else thrown into the mix), so I care about the countries from whence my great-great-great grandparents immigrated to the U.S. I hope the voting Scots make the decision that will be best for Scotland long-term, not just for short-term nationalistic fervor. (I, too, am appalled that sixteen-year-olds--teenagers--are allowed to vote for the referendum and hope that far-thinking adults will far outnumber them.)

Voted Up++

Jaye


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Jed Fisher 2 years ago from Oklahoma

It's a very bad time to become a petro-state. To muzzle Russia and Iran, to neutralize Arab jihaddis, the obvious move it to cut oil prices. This will happen.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

Ericdierker: My pleasure Eric.


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mckbirdbks 2 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

So, that's a No then. From what I have heard on TV there is a lot of downside to a yes vote.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

JayeWisdom; Thank you for the comment Jaye. The 16 year old younger age limit is appalling. And when it comes to splitting up countries that have been together for 300 years, that's absurd. I saw an article yesterday that said it all 'If it aint broke, don't fix it.' and another vote for the No side was 'UK, OK'. We'll find out on Friday.

Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales should e together - My Mother was Irish, and I have English, Canadian and American grand children, heck one of my grand daughters even went to the VMI. The world should be coming closer together, not splitting up to let little dictators take control.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

mckbirdbks: Thanks for the comment Mike. I hope it's a NO vote, as I mentioned to Jaye...'If it aint broke don't fix it.' There's a lot of downside on the media, but a lot of upside in Scotland. Fingers crossed for a NO vote, we'll find out on Friday morning. A friend in Scotland is just praying that whatever side loses, will give in gracefully, but as it is Scotland, I very much doubt it.


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Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

Of course I do not know enough to have an opinion but you have some interesting points. People often do not look at the big picture when being led by politicians.

Interesting to watch. Interesting read as always. ^+


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handymanbill 2 years ago from western pennsylvania

Good read. It will be interesting to see what happens. i think after 300 years they should stay. I guess we will find out.


retief2000 2 years ago

Scotland cannot afford a separation from the rest of Britain, too many Scots are on the dole and too few Scots footing the bill.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

Jackie Lynnley: Thanks for the read and comment Jackie. You could read opinions from both sides of the argument until the cows come home Jackie - and then still have to just toss a coin. I have my fingers crossed for NO.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

handymanbill: Thanks for the comment handyman. I'm with you, after 300 years, unless there was something drastically wrong, things should stay the way they are.


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

retief2000: Thank you for reading and leaving a comment, retief. There always were too many Scots on the dole, and too few Scots footing the bill. In all my working life I was on the dole for 2 weeks; after that I was self employed for 35 years. Nowadays there are also too many Scots OAP's. There are too many Seniors over here in Canada too.


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JayeWisdom 2 years ago from Deep South, USA

I just read the headline that Scotland will remain part of the UK! Alex Salmond accepted defeat graciously and called on all Scots to accept '...the democratic verdict of the people.' The news report stated there was a record turnout for the vote. Good news! Jaye


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John MacNab 2 years ago from the banks of the St. Lawrence Author

JayeWisdom: Sorry for the delay in commenting, Jaye, and thank you for leaving your comment. It was great news, and I was amazed when I heard how little violence there was in Glasgow and suburbs - only 4 people arrested on voting night.

And, it was good news to hear that Mr. Salmond has decided to resign; perhaps his obsession won't rub off on the next first minister of Scotland.

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