And So The Argument Goes...

Got Your Healthcare Waiver Yet?

One early morning not to long ago I was sifting through my e-mail when someone sent me a link (http://www.wheresmywaiver.com/) to the HHS website where I could request my waiver from Obamacare. I was ecstatic to say the least since they seemed to be doled out right and left by Kathleen Sibelius, the national authority on what seems to ail all of us. After all, she was formerly the Governor of Kansas and a subject matter expert. So about five in the morning I shot off an e-mail to Kathleen and viola, she evidently was sitting at her desk at that ungodly hour and immediately replied to my inquiry

She told me how glad she was to hear from me, and I would shortly receive a reply to my request. Not being stupid, I knew better. All I wanted was what other people seem to be getting - a waiver to avoid the sanctions and taxes involved in Obamacare, rather a simple request in my mind, The Obama administration had already now issued over one thousand three hundred and seventy two waivers to a system that was supposed to be the cure all of all cure alls to what ails our health care system. I should be a shoe in candidate. This seemed easier to obtain than Obama's "original" long form birth certificate.

There seems to be one problem with that line of thinking though. I am not, nor will I ever be, a major campaign contributor to Obama and his Chicago thugs running this nation. In fact, I won't ever be a minor contributor. Not one red cent of my hard earned money would ever be given to a snake oil salesman. I'm not buying the hype, nor the horse crap, emanating from his lips. But I thought it might be worth the old Frog U try to see if I could get more than an automated response. I don't have the big bucks to buy that kind of waiver it seems. Here I thought Obamacare was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. But what about that sliced bread President Smirksalot? Huh!

If it's supposed to be all that great, why are all these firms, many times union backed, unions themselves and associated strap hangers and the like being granted waivers before his grand plan is even close to being implemented? Explain that one. Charity cases I suppose? I seriously doubt it. Or maybe give a whirl at explaining how seven entire states have received waivers to date? Political paybacks are what lie at the bottom of the heap. McDonalds isn't exactly a charity case, nor are protecting the interests of recently retired, or soon to be retired, union members a soon to be charity case. Anyone with even an inkling of common sense can see what is going on behind the scenes of this smoke and mirrors act.

So in April, while he wants you to be looking over there, one flies in under the radar. An additional 200 plus waivers were granted by Czarenna Sibelius. And here you were rejoicing that Obama killed the big bad wolf Usama, while he was once again putting the screws to us via the Obama shuffle. One step forward, two steps back is the name of that jig. So who were the worthy to receive said waivers? Did you get yours? I didn't get mine! The link above will let you request one though. If you understand anything about politics and Obama, you may have a clue. You probably won't see this info forthcoming from the Lame Stream Media so lets take a gander.

Remember Pelosi? How could one ever forget this totally over the cliff woman from San Francisco. "We have to pass the bill so we can see what is in it" will always stick to her like flubber. It seems numerically odd that 1 out of 5 of the new 204 waivers issued by the Czarenna were doled out to businesses in Pelosi's district. Just a coincidence huh? The clapping queen at her best maybe? What types of businesses you ask? The type that really need it such as upscale eateries, nightclubs, hotels and bay cruise/ferry providers it seems. Charity cases once again it by all appearances.

Now just do the math here. That's in addition to the 27 new waivers generously granted to health care and drug companies. Compound that with the 31 new waivers also dispensed to the unions and if something doesn't seem wrong in Omaha to you then you need to dial 911 immediately. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. And you want Obama at the helm for 4 more years? I doubt your sanity if you feel that way. This is Chicago politics at its stinking worst. If this sort of thing is the cure to our health care woes, we're in deep kimchee without a pair of chop sticks.

Lets get back to San Fran for a sec. Ever heard of Boboquiviros restaurant? I have actually dined there once in my life. The menu includes porterhouse steaks cooked to your satisfaction for a mere $59. Or maybe you'd prefer a filet mignon for $39 or a crab feast for a paltry $35. Yes, they received a waiver. Or maybe we can stroll over to the Union Street district to Cafe des Amis for a more Parisian dining experience. I missed that on my last trip out there. You Hub Pages staffers might want to hurry and check it out. They say the food is exquisite but not the prices. They cried poor claiming that they were too destitute to pay the first year's cost of implementation, not to mention the ensuing years that will cost us even more. Where's my waiver Obama?

The stated reason for the granting of waivers seems rather simple though the process to obtain them seems to be in who you know. The theory is that companies can apply on a case-by-case basis and use a formula to determine if premium increases are going to go through the roof or if too many enrollees are going to lose their existing coverage due to the new provisions. Aren't those two things the very things that Obama told the American public were NOT going to happen, if we just passed the bill so that we can find out what is in it? So Pelosi soaks up 20% of the waivers granted just in April alone. Now we have another piece of the puzzle as to what is really in it and it has nothing to do with most of us. Justice being served? You tell me.

Here's a short list of San Francisco's finest establishments who received federal largess. Gosh what it must be like to be on the poor end of this fiasco:

Cafe Mason of Union Square Fame (put it in your browser to see the menu)

The Franciscan Crab place out on the Wharf (been there before) where the menu prices run from a meager $15 to $60 a plate got one of those coveted exceptions.

A mere 4 star hotel named Campton Place bellied up to the waiver bar as did a side kick called Hotel Nikko San Francisco. It modestly bills itself as "four diamond luxury right in the heart of San Francisco." Where's MY waiver Obama?

The best rated spa in San Fran, aptly named Tru Spa, was up next. What it must be like to be poor! Tru Spa's manager made a brief comment when contacted stating how Obasmacare and the newest of new health care regulations in San Fran had devastated the industry in Northern California. That's the same idiot who will probably enter the voting booth and punch Obama and Pelsoi's ticket in the next election cycle. He was discrete though and wouldn't divulge his name.

San Francisco Honda and Royal Motors group got added to waiver mania. The Blue and Gold Fleet which provides bay cruises and Ferry Service and Motorcoach Tours jumped on board, no pun intended.

Care to wine, dine and dance in elegance? Try the Infusion Lounge on Ellis Street. This is how they describe their destitute selves: http://infusionlounge.com/concept/. Yes American taxpayer, they made the latest list. Or you can step down a bit to the Simco Restaurant chain in San Fran for more leisurely, waivered dining.

So here I sit broken hearted, applied for my waiver and only got ignored. But there is hope. There is always hope with Obama at the helm. The Preident's press secretary dismissed reporter's questions as insignificant as this practice was now standard operating procedure. It's all too easy for those with money and influence. It's a federal process. It goes like this. The first time you get one is for one year. The up side to that is that every year, until 2014, you can request an extension. You getting the picture yet about this scam in progress? And you want Obama for how many more years? It stunk to high heaven when they passed it and it smells even worse as we "find out what is in it" and the political exceptions attached to it.

Pelosi's office claims she had nothing to do with any of this. Of course "we have to pass a bill so we can see what's in it." And this woman got reelected?

Where's my waiver Obama? I applied! Just bend over America!

Out of the fog huh Nancy?

While the cat's away, Pelosi's marsh mice will play.

Have a great day and...

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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Carpefriggingdiem 5 years ago

This administration is corrupt. The bill is a piece of crap. The voters will turn them out. The countdown begins. We have 412 days left of this country being held hostage to a bunch of left wing whack jobs who rode in on "hope and change." It has been a real learning experience for those who voted without paying attention to what this frigging moron---Obama---was NOT saying. He was always short on specifics and long on rhetoric. But when gas continues to be over $4.00 a gallon, when food prices will continue to rise well above where they were in 2008, and when unemployment continues to be well above the 8% this shithead promised, there is no amount sly Chicago hucksterism that will lull the country into giving hims one more chance to finish the job he set out to do---which is to turn this country into a European-style socialist nanny state.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP,

Another up and all buttons across. Great Hub.

I can't afford what would probably be required "buy" a waiver. But maybe my connections will get me some consideration. I'm a member of AFP, Oath Keepers, Campaign for Liberty, Senate Conservatives Fund, Tea Party Patriots, and about ten other similar groups. Do you think that will help me?

Stu


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

I have the solution, join the teacher's union or any union or open a high end establishment in Pelosi town. All of this garbage is solid irrefutable proof that the Obama health care bill is a fiasco. More than that, the whole thing is a fraud.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Carpe - We can now look back and fondly say to the idiots who voted for him, "We told you so." He is totally unqualified to run a lemonade stand, much less this nation. His pal, Pelosi, is a joke but I'm not laughing.

Stu - You're an Oath Keeper too? You know we're on the watch list don't you?

BPOP - Some people like their politicians to be counterfeit as a three dollar bill. They keep believing in all this nonsense. The corruption runs very deep in this administration. Now that is quite transparent.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi FP,

Yes, I'm a citizen (non-military) member of the Oath Keepers. Actually, Oblabber hates AFP more (probably because of the size of their membership roster). When I heard that he hates AFP more than any other group, I immediately signed up!

Stu


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

Obama was elected on the platform of change. The problem is change is not always good.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

ruffryder - He didn't ever bother to define exactly what he meant by "fundamentally" changing the greatest nation on earth. I don't like a bit of what I'm seeing as he defines it in motion.


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

Frog, the waivers were another example of Obama compromising with Republicans. The GOP Governor's association rightly pointed out that many companies that hire temporary workers, seasonal workers, or industries with high turnovers would be burned by the individual mandate. Right now, these companies offer 'mini-meds' which is sort of like catastrophic insurance. The premiums are low but the coverage is only useful if you get really hurt or sick. These policies have annual limits that help keep the premiums low. HHS has granted waivers to allow them to keep the annual limits because in 2014, the exchanges will be set up and many of these people will be purchasing more affordable health care on their own and the annual limits will be fully abolished.

Again, the republican Governors rallied for this and now many GOP in congress are using it as a way to attack Obama. Think of it this way, H&R Block temporarily employs a ton of people at tax time. They do offer insurance but the plan has high deductibles and annual limits. They get an exemption allowing them to keep their annual limits so that the premiums do not rise. They can then still offer insurance. In 2014 when the insurance exchanges go up, all of these temporary workers from retail, restaurant industry, etc will be pooled together and purchase insurance as if they are a company of 30 million employees. The theory is that this will allow them to purchase better coverage and at a lower rate.

In the meantime, the companies they work for are granted TEMPORARY yearly exemptions until 2014 when the exemptions will be eliminated. The waivers only exempt them from parts of the healthcare law (most notably, annual limits). It does not exempt them fully in most cases.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

LRC - Compromise huh? You believe what you care to believe. I don't see any compromise in any of this. I threw away my political blinders long ago.

As the headline says, "And so the argument goes..." I'm sure all those luxury outfits mentioned above were part of the "compromise" as you term it. It's just coincidental that 20% of the April crop happen to be in Pelosi's district. Sure, sure sure...

Temporary is for a year at a time until 2014. You partisan people out there slay me. This smacks of corruption and political paybacks. Even Stevie Wonder can see that.


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

Is the administration merely corrupt or do they think that they know whet is good for us and feel duty bound to do us some good? Corruption we can live through but dogoodism take a long time to recover from.


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RealHousewife 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Frog - voted up and awesome.


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CreatePerfection 5 years ago from Beautiful Colorado

Hi Frog Prince, I am not for the universal health care program that was passed either. It's not because I don't want everyone to have quality health care, but it is because I see this program as padding the pockets of the already bloated health care industry, and I am definitely not in favor of that.

I don't know what the answer is on this one, but it is an issue that needs to be visited until we get it right, in my opinion.

I, personally, do not believe in conventional western medicine. I have been treated very badly by these institutions and the people who man them. If I had a broken arm that needed to be set or somehing like that, I would visit a doctor or hospital, but short of that, I would much rather give my hard-earned money to an alternative health practitioner.

Thank you for this thought provoking article.

Lela


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

"That Stevie Wonder remark is racist. I'm so upset I'm going to need a tofu smoothie powered by a biomass generator blender before I can calm down enough to deliver a formal character assassination and have enough energy to fail to reply to your rebuttal."

Quotation from "Great Leap Backward" by Mao Tse Sunstein (available at Amazon for 3 cents, shipping free)


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rkhyclak 5 years ago from Ohio

Up, useful and awesome. I also like how entire states are getting these waivers. These people kiss so much Obama butt they've permanently gained the nickname "assface."


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

Rkhyclak just pointed out an important point. As of February, 4 states had waivers: NJ, Ohio, Florida, and Tennessee (which goes against the narrative that the waivers are bias towards Dem organizations, these states are largely Republican controlled).

In another compromise, Obama is allowing the states to be exempt from certain provisions of the Affordable care Act as long as they have a method to meet similar provisions. In other words, he is giving power to the states (as asked for by Republicans) to come up with innovative solutions as long as they still meet certain criteria (covering the same amount of people, not allowing insurance companies to deny people based on pre-existing conditions, etc).

The bill I am referring to was passed with a lot of Republican support and is called 'Empowering States to Innovate Act'

It is just another example of Obama compromising with Republicans to address the needs they feel are important to the people. You don't have to like Obama but you do have to base your opinions on at least some facts.

FYI...a note to help the birthers out there: If you are searching for information on the internet and use words like 'obama care waivers' you will be brought to all of the extreme right hate mongering sites. If you use words like 'affordable care act waivers' you will be brought to more credible sites including the actual HHS site and the Whitehouse website.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

LRC - Guess what? A total of seven states now have waivers. What a fiasco they have devised. It was broken before they passed it. The Democratic majority did this behind closed doors so don't lecture people about compromise. The majority of Americans didn't want this crap that was shoved down our throats and still don't.

Read CreatePerfection's remark above. This isn't health care reform in any way, shape or form. It is the federal government's grab for controlling 1/6th of this nation's economy. Accept that fact.

If it's all that peachy keen why are there any waivers at all? It's BS.

Also don't come on my posts and get off topic. This isn't about birthers. It's about idiots like Obama and his thugs.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

LRC,

Oblabber approved 204 new Obamacare waivers in April alone. 38 of them went to upscale businesses including four-star hotels, gourmet restaurants, day spas and hip nightclubs in Porkulosi's district. That’s in addition to 27 new waivers for health care or drug companies and the 31 new union waivers Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) approved.

In general, waiver recipients over time have been labor union chapters, large corporations, financial firms and local governments. In other words, the waivers went to Obummer contributors or sympathyzers.

If this thing were so great, why did HRH exempt himself and Congress?

If you can't see the blatant cronyism here, you're hopeless.

It's like the now infamous Disclose Bill. Had it passed, organizations creating political ads would have to disclose their top contributors, UNLESS they were labor unions, big left wing political groups specified by name, or the NRA (which promised not to ask its millions of members to heckle their Congressman about the bill in exchange for an exemption, and a brand new federally funded gun range for, guess who, THE NRA!).

Let's have lunch sometime; the KoolAid's on me. Sheepie will spring for your first "mental hygiene" visit.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - BINGO! Libs like to ignore facts. Everything I wrote is factual, not theory. I read everything out there about this subject before I hit the keyboard. Other users can comment and refute to their hearts desire but I require people stay pretty close to the topic.

Rationalization doesn't, nor will it ever, counter facts.


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

Frog, couple of quick questions:

- If this was "shoved down our throats," are you saying that you are against Democracy? This was debated for 16 months and then voted on with a majority voting 'Yea' in both the House and Senate. From there, it went to the president who signed. That is the Democratic process. There is nothing in the constitution that allows filibusters but that is the way the GOP killed the Disclose Act and tried to kill the Affordable Care Act.

Question 2: if this was done by Dems behind closed doors, why are so many of the GOP in congress taking credit for various parts of the Affordable Care Act. I can post numerous public comments by members of the GOP where they take credit for various pieces of the bill.

If you could help me understand why the GOP would take credit for various parts of a bill that they were 'shut out of', that would help me understand what you are talking about.

I certainly do not love this bill but I think the 'Patients' Bill of Rights' included in the bill is a big win for the people. I hope to continue to see pressure from both parties to enact some changes to pieces of the bill which people generally do not like.


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Pamela99 5 years ago from United States

This whole healthcare bill and the way its been handled stinks. Voted up and awesome!


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b. Malin 5 years ago

Can we all say WAIVER? I too vote this Hub up and very Useful and easy to understand and read unlike our present Health Care Bill. Thanks my Frog Prince.


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Minnetonka Twin 5 years ago from Minnesota

Very informative and depressing Frog. I hit all buttons except for funny because there's nothing funny about our government.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

LRC - The will of the majority of the people said NO to Obamacare or maybe you missed it. Party affiliation should have nothing to do with listening to the will of the people. Evidently that year during the SOTUA address you also missed Obama say he was going to get away from his intense concentration on health care reform and focus on job creation. Maybe you weren't listening or maybe you were watching Pelosi jump up and down like a Jack-In-Box every sentence the man uttered. Instead what did he do, he did an end around and went back to health care reform and ignored the creation of jobs. Remember that LRC or do you exercise selective memory regarding the man you idolize?

Well Obama himself said he won and he'd do what he wants. Is that democracy in your opinion. Last November we changed the landscape in Congress. In 2012 we'll do some more booting and Obama will be kicked to the curb. Now there's democracy in action. The will of the people has been ignored too long and it's time to make the necessary corrections. Obama is out-of-touch or maybe you fail to notice that also.

The bill that passed was done behind closed doors by a select group of lawmakers. Reid went so far as to lock the damned doors. Or maybe you failed to read about that also. I read a lot LRC. I research a lot LRC. Now run along now before you get your feelings hurt. You need to maybe take a break from blogging and do some reading - serious reading.

The Frog


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caltex 5 years ago

TFP, welcome back! Up and awesome! Thanks for writing about it!

All these waivers only confirm that Obamacare is flawed and should just be repealed once and for all. For one, instead of helping the economy and creating jobs as it was intended, the Congressional Budget Office testified earlier this year that Obamacare will reduce employment by about 800,000. That's a lot! Here's another - the Obamacare slushfund, ERRP ($5 Billion), a program meant to encourage employers to continue providing health coverage to early retirees, had to be discontinued early because the money turned out to be insufficient compared to the demand. It was supposed to last through 2014, and we're not even halfway through 2011! Well, the real problem is that the program was found to have been abused. If you want to be disappointed further, just google "Obamacare ERRP" to find out more about it. What a waste of taxpayer money!

There will definitely be more of these waivers. The new taxes, penalties and fees will be a huge burden to any employer who does not get the waiver. I expect a major change before it goes into effect. Hopefully, its repeal.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

caltex - Thanks. Being an employers myself, I have things on hold. I can't afford to comply with the requirements the federal government seems intent on mandating. Some of us get it, some of us don't. A clock puncher only knows that they punch in and punch out and very little about what is being dealt with by the people in charge of having to make payroll.

I knew about the EERP. I reported on it back in one of my Hubs and mentioned it again briefly here. Why in the hell are tax payers giving one red cent to people who chose to retire early? Because they belong to the union? I don't think that is a sufficient reason. That $5 billion was hidden in the bill as was the $105 billion that is causing a lot of disgruntlement. This administration is as corrupt as I've ever seen. That's six decades worth.

The Frog


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Harvey Stelman 5 years ago from Illinois

Froggy, Nice job! The question is; what would you expect from a liar. Many are afraid to use that word about our President, "the facts maim, only the facts." Sargeant Joe Friday, Dragnet.

I bet you're still waiting for your check. Obama bin Laden, I must have made a mistake (ha!). Do you think B.O. got his? H


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caltex 5 years ago

It could very well have been your other hub that first informed me about it. It was disappointing when I dug deeper into it and learned more. That's why I'm glad you're writing about these things as we can no longer rely on mainstream media.

Goodluck to you - I hope you get the waiver somehow. Better yet, let's hope it gets repealed.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

"LRC - The will of the majority of the people said NO to Obamacare or maybe you missed it"

They don't miss it...they ignore it!

And did you notice that he justifies it with a 'majority rule" while ignoring that the majority of American do not want Obamacare!


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Yep! We sure have a broken government, don't we. This was very interesting information you pulled together on the sickening stuff that is going on among the elite of our country. Yuck! Awesome hub!


Ghost32 5 years ago

Good bit of work, Frog. And not to worry: You may never get your waiver, but then again, those of us with a clue or two will never waver, either--until we Throw the Bum Out in 2012.

Duh.


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Froggie: Being a Canadian, an outsider all I can say is that thank God Canada many years ago settled this problem on health care for its citizens. Each province administers its own plan, subsidised by the federal government, so that no Canadian has to worry about being properly and adequately treated for their health needs.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Dave - Unless they fixed something I am unaware of then I can't rightly agree. Many Canadians still travel south of your border to receive more affordable, or necessary, medical care.

When I lived in Florida I used to see them all the time and had conversations with them about it from time to time.

Have the rules been changed?


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Froggie: Many Golden aged citizens spend the winter months stateside to avoid the cold winters here, so naturally rather than fly home to Canada during winter they will get it done stateside.


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

Frog, what is Obamacare? I do know that Obama had an original health reform plan that included created a Public Option single payer system but it did not garner enough support. The plan that ultimately passed was certainly not Obama's original plan. The plan that passed was written in congress so I'm not quite understanding what 'obamacare' is?

I'm sure you saw on the 1 year anniversary of HCR passing in March, polling showed that the country was still split: 46% for, 44% against, 10% no opinion. This was a USA Gallop poll (please don't find a Fox news poll that shows some kind of crazy stretch on the numbers, I think we both agree USA Gallop is the reputable polling source in our country)

Again, it is simply Democracy. If the people do not want the bill, it would have to be repealed. There is a very clear democratic process for doing this. Rather than trying to blame the president for everything you do not like in this country, talk to your lawmakers and vote for those who follow your beliefs. Unfortunately for you, not enough people follow your thoughts in relation to Health Care. Perhaps that could change in the future, but again, if you don't like it, practice democracy.

Just don't get upset if the majority of people disagree with you. In Democracy, majority rules.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

This waiver thing makes me sick. If the plan is good, why would you need waivers? I could write a two foot long comment on this, just getting started, so I'll bow out of this one Jim. As always .. great job reporting my friend.

jim


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

LRC - Obamacare is 2,700 plus pages of gobble-de-goop, taxes, fees and penalties. Read the bill so you can finally find out what is in it. I saw the polls and see what we see now. If this is such the end all, why should even one individual in this country need a waiver? Right now with the seven states getting in on the action, 1/18th of the population is exempt. Great idea huh?


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The Frog Princess 5 years ago from Florence area of the Great Pee Dee of South Carolina

voted up and you did it again. Great knowledge to read!


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Dave,

An issue: why do so many wealthy Canadians come to the US for major treatment? The answer of course is that under government control, waiting times in Canada are excessive, and low government salaries keep the best and the brightest from seeking medical careers.

I'm in no way saying the US system is perfect, but nationalizing medicine will only increase our problems here. The fundamental issue in the US is that there are inadequate controls on provider costs. Tort expense is rediculously high, far too many hospitals lack automation to prevent costly mistakes and duplication, patented drugs can't be imported to drive pharma prices down via competition, Medicare is not allowed to bulk negotiate drug prices by law under Part D, Medicare reimbursements for major procedures are about 40% higher than private PPO fee caps, etc.

Obama made a real mistake with the HC Act. He focused totally on intermediation (insurance), which isn't our issue. Most big insurers (the PPO networks) pay out at least 90% of premiums in claims. The problem is the claim cost itself. Unless provider costs are addressed (which ObamaCare does not do), the US healthcare cost crisis will never be solved.

Stu


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Reading through the comments I feel likw I have nothing original to add. It's all been said. I just need someone to hand me my barf bag. Hurry!

jim


Stu From VT 5 years ago

LRC,

What is all this talk about ObieCare and democracy? The issue, apart from the bill being stupid (it increases rather than decreases costs, because it does nothing about provider costs, but adds about 40 million insureds the taxpayer will have to subsidize through higher premiums or tax penalties).

The legal issues have nothing to with "democracy." They have to do with CONSTITUTIONALITY:

(1) The federal government has no enumerated power to regulate insurance.

(2) The federal government has no enumerated power to force a citizen to puchase a good or service.

(3) Obama violated Senate cloture rules, as specified in the Constitution, which normally require a 60% supermajority to end a filibuster. Obama illegally classified the HC Bill as a budget resolution, where a 50% cloture threshold applies. Not only was the HC Bill not a budget resolution in substance (e.g., a balanced budget law, a debt ceiling, etc.), but for cloture purposes, a budget resolution must originate in a House committee (the HC Bill originated from Barack H. Obama). Obama pulled this illegal trick because Scott Brown unseated Martha Coakley in MA, costing the Democrats their 60% supermajority in the Senate. Senate GOP's were cheated out of their legal right to filibuster.

(4) Budget appropriations are legally under the power of the House of Representatives. The final HC Bill contained two appropriations, which most members of Congress never knew about, because they were given so little time to study the final bill before voting. Most did not even have time to read the final bill. There's a real issue here regarding whether the House was cheated out of its power to approve/deny appropriation requests.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

TheManWithNoPants,

I'll go you one better: if ObieCare was so great, why did Obama grant HIMSELF a waiver?

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - LRC sometimes gets confused. He doesn't separate what the US Constitution says from what are doing in DC. I remember Alcee Hastings, I believe it was, that said they just make things up as they go along. Then James Clyburn comes along in an interview with Judge Naplitano and tells him that most of what Congress does isn't according to the US Constitution.

Evidently liberals think that is all just fine and dandy. I do not.

The Frog


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

LRC - Did you hear? The whole state of Nevada was just granted a waiver. Isn't that the state that Harry Reid is from? You seem to have a lot of faith in politicians. I have a bridge I'll sell you on the cheap. Trust me! LMAO

News is going to hit shortly about another very large waive being granted. Stay tuned.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

And let's not forget San Fran Nan's comment about passing the bill to see what's in it. Pelosi and Hastings clearly have to be sociopathic. Unlike criminals (like Reid probably is), they aren't even aware of the difference between right and wrong. They are aware that society thinks their positions are wrong, but they don't think the rules apply to them.

Stu


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Stu,

YOUr wrong... they know what they are doing- they just don't care what we think about itthey are ideologs lost in the morass oftheir own liberalism, and self righteous beliefs that they know better than us common folks....

So- i wonder-are they just a)stupid or b) ignorant???

I'm guessing C- Both

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Tom,

We're almost saying the same thing. The only reason Pelosi and Hastings make such obviously immoral statements is because they know there is no sanction for it. You are right that they know exactly what they are doing, and they don't care what anyone thinks, as long as nobody can do anything about it. If they believed these statements would cost them votes or legal sanctions, they wouldn't make them publicly. They are not stupid or ignorant; they are TOTALLY lacking in conscience. They know what society thinks is right and wrong, but they believe these rules shouldn't apply to them.

Reid is a different sort of character. He too knows what society thinks is right and wrong, but also knows these rules should apply to him. He has a conscience, but he suppresses it.

In other words, from a psychological perspective, Reid is a criminal; Pelosi and Hastings are sociopaths. Reid never makes crazy statements like Pelosi and Hastings. He just does his dirty work, like (most probably) getting the SEIU to rig the voting machines in the NV Senate election. But no crazy statements; just "do the deed."

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Yeah well guys, since I posted this, AARP got their waiver. A person has to be an idiot to fail to see the corruption that is swirling around the Obama administration,.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog, are you saying that just by joining AARP, and paying the dues, you get a waiver?


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Here's a good story behind what is now occurring with AARP. It's dated today so it's current.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/aarps_obama...


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Frog,

I think I see now. If you join AARP, and purchase a Medicare Supplement policy from them, then you get a waiver.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - Is that code for political payback to bilk money from the seniors? The AARP stopped representing the interests of seniors long ago. They have now become insurance sales people.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - Exactly. AARP gets a sales advantage, in exchange for what I suspect was a secret agreement not to get their members to agitate against the stealth Medicare cutbacks in ObieCare.

This is very similar to the deal the admin cut with the NRA on the Disclose Bill. In exchange for the NRA's promise not to agitate its members to fight the bill, the NRA gets an exemption.

The bottom line is that if you are an organization with millions of members, you can extort exemptions out of the administration. The problem is that these favors end up increasing the likelihood of everyone else suffering, because the non-exempted must suffer the consequences of the bad legislation these big groups might have been able to stop via citizen activism on the part of their members, that the group managements could have actively encouraged.

Basically, groups that behave like the NRA and AARP are just parochial turncoats. They are in effect saying that a guarantee of exemption for them is more important than increasing the probability of a good result for everyone.

Whatever happened to the oath of life, fortune, and sacred honor of the Founders? Unlike the Revolutionary period, nobody is asking the NRA or AARP to lay down their lives. All we can and should expect is that they encourage their members to fight for what's right. That's a major responsibility of any advocacy group. And the NRA and AARP failed this test miserably.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

I quit both the NRA and AARP when they sold their souls to the devil. But it seems many people think that is perfectly fine because Obama did it. They better wake up from their kool aid induced stupor quickly. The ship of state is sinking and the life rafts have been occupied by greedy, blood sucking politicians of both parties.

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

guy,

it is no longer "we the PEOPLE" it is I the member of THIS group"....Politicians of ALl types are not working for the USA anymore- NOW they work for whatever will get whoever to give them votes or money for their next reelection-

I have started the HUB- Why we need term limits now... i should have saved em... I'd have 3 hubbs by now...

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP - Was never a member of either group, and of course am now happy about that. You could join the NAGR (I'm a member).

Stu


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Stu-Frog

NAGR????

huh whats that stu???

Seriously Im too lazy to look it up RIGHT NOW...


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Tom,

National Association for Gun Rights (http://www.nationalgunrights.org). I'm a member.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Stu - I'm a member of The Second Amendment. That about covers all the bases for me.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

I can see that. I don't think that's a bottle of champagne you're holding. :)


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KK Trainor 5 years ago from Texas

Fantastic and very amusing! Scary how true it is, but the "told you so" never gets old. Voted up and awesome.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

I relish telling Obamazombies "I told you so" KK.

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

frogie,

are they obamazombies because of ideo;ogy or did they die waiting for an obamacare doctor. DID THEY TAKE THE BLUE PILL OR THE RED pill...- (THE matrix-- reference), unfortunately under O=care they are both filled with pain medication and poison- no one wil see the truth ...

TH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - I'm not sure the flavor of the kool aid but the effect will still be the same. Six of one, half dozen of the other. I can make my own health care decisions and don't need a Nanny to do it for me.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

Stu,

thats Not a bottle of champagne- frogs just happt to see you ..

hEheHEEEE

TH


Stu From VT 5 years ago

FP,

Too bad "I'm telling you so" never works. We always have to suffer the damage to "prove" something is crazy.

If it looks crazy, sounds crazy, and acts crazy, it's crazy. Analysis and sound intuition trump reckless experimentation any day of the week.

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Tom,

I know. I looked at the full size avatar on Froggie's profile page.

Stu

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