Police and Gun Control.

Slaves Never Own Guns

Gun Control.

It's a complete and utter fallacy to say that removing guns from the populace makes the people of those communities safer. It's a monumental misplacement of faith to think a government or government body can protect you from your neighbors. You have the right to protect yourself, your family, and your property in the United States of America with firearms, and such rights are granted to you via the founding fathers of this nation in the second amendment in the United States Bill of Rights. The right to protect yourself and bear arms, however, is not a right that any governing body can give to you, it's a right that you have, whether you realize it or not, upon birth.

The Gun Control Experts ALL Agree.

Gun Control Gets Results!

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Gun Control isn't about Guns, it's About Control.

I never get tired of hearing people talk about how their ideas or their political party favorite, or whatever and whoever, are somehow going to change the world, and make it better. It's sort of like when someone blames Islam or Christianity or Judaism for the violence in the world. Religions don't commit acts of violence, violent people do. If you took away all of the religions in the world, you'd have the same violent people left, and they'd only find another reason to do what they were doing already. Of course I've over simplified things, but the previous sentence is still the water floating battleship reality.

Having more faith in government, or in individuals than you have in your own ability to control yourself well; is a sign of low self esteem, and I associate that with humanism. What is humanism? It's the religion that claims that it isn't one. It's the worship of mankind. If you've not reached the conclusion that mankind is a circle jerk fool's parade yet, then let me tell you a story. . .

Mankind is nothing to be worshiped, Mankind and men and women have always been capable of the spectacular in the eyes and ears of others of our group. Some of the most spectacular achievements of mankind include all of the horrors that the poor of the world are suffering right this minute. That gulf oil spill, that's another spectacular achievement of man.

Do you suppose that I'm being sarcastic? I'm not. It's supremely spectacular that Halliburton could buy the oil spill clean up company eleven days prior to British Petroleum spilling the oil in the Gulf of Mexico; and the American people are so stupid and distracted with their pitiful lives that they don't even realized that, and what all it really says and means about them, and our nation.

Let me give you a hint, it's more profitable for Halliburton and British Petroleum to clean up oil spills than it is to sell oil. It also furthers the American Corporate Fascist Imperialist anti-Arab agenda. It is this same willful ignorance, and utter disregard for facts and truth that allow someone like an Obama to repeatedly lie about . . everything and anything under the Sun; but people are still so high on the "feel good" about a half black professional liar without a birth certificate being in the white house; that they don't care. What a glorious distraction this Obama person has provided for the poor! What a horrific back stabbing charlatan he is, while giving the poor of the world hope, he's given everything to the bankers and corporations that created the economic crisis that we are in to begin with; utterly ensuring that the poor will become more so, smiling the whole time!

The Theory Of Gun Control

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Police Officers and Gun Control.

First and foremost, when thinking about law enforcement, what one must realize is that politicians pass the laws that police officers enforce. Politicians must be elected, and election takes money, lots of money; so inevitably, politicians are beholden to business interests, and so, the laws that they pass benefit business, and not individual citizens. It is for this reason that peace officers inevitably wind up enforcing laws that subjugate the poor in favor of the business interests of the already very wealthy persons who helped the law passing politician get elected in the first place.

Now, to be clear, in no way am I saying that I think that police officers became officers with the idea that they'd be protecting the wealthy, and keeping the poor impoverished. That is not what I think the case is, I just don't think law enforcement officers ever bother to think too deeply about exactly what it is that their jobs entail. Look at the motto of law enforcement throughout the United States, "To Serve and To Protect." If the purpose of law enforcement is to protect the common man from crime, then the institution of law enforcement is the single biggest failure in the recorded history of mankind. We must protect ourselves from violent crime, by the time the police respond to a call, assuming that a person was able to make a call to police, or 911, then surely the assailant is gone in such vast numbers of incidents that it's singular and newsworthy every time that the police make it to a crime scene when the violent criminal is still able to be identified on site.

Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

The statement above is so true, and so reflective of reality that it's really not up for debate between intelligent individuals, what then, I wonder, are the motives of police officers who support gun control?

1. Pride and superiority: Surely the majority of the experienced officers on police forces world wide are mature enough to realize that they are simply persons with a different job. Yes, police officers have dangerous jobs, and surely police officers have the right to openly bare arms. This in no way lessens the dangers of anyone else's jobs, nor does it in any way lead one to logically conclude that only police officers have dangerous jobs, and the right to bare arms.

2. Taking guns out of a community makes a community safer: This is the grossest lie or idea that a law enforcement officer or agency can have, or proclaim. It's pure propaganda, and is only true of a neighborhood that happens to be filled with violent criminals. Surely such neighborhoods do exist, and surely ridding those neighborhoods of guns would help to reduce casualties of violent crimes in those neighborhoods; however, most neighborhoods, not nationwide, but world wide, are full of non violent individuals, whether they are of the criminal persuasion, or not.

3. Fear: Some police officers are inherently aware of the fallibility of mankind. For this reason, they well know that men and women can not be trusted, and those same officers do not trust themselves, and for good reason. They fear you and I, and they know that they are immoral persons just like everyone else does, and just like everyone else is. They've got their guns, so to hell with the rest of us, is what they are thinking. They also somehow believe that their being law enforcement officers protects them from the corruptions of government. I wish them luck with that idea.

The Essence Of Gun Control Condensed To Reality.

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Gun Control. All Pigs Are Equal, But Some Pigs Are More Equal Than Others.

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Cops For Trained and Armed Citizens

Not all cops are against citizens carrying firearms though, it defies the laws of nature. Cops are people too, you know, even the ones that don't act like it. It's just a simple fact that not every law enforcement officer is an idiot, a bully, or a willing oppressor. It's only true that most of the ones that you remember being confronted about some nonsense or another, if you are like me, are that way.

It's just human nature, and altogether natural that a competent, and life loving peace officer would be supportive of concealed carry laws. Don't you imagine, as I do, that half the police in Washington State were all hoping that the Green River Killer would try to snatch a prostitute who was packing heat, and end that nightmare for all of us?

Listen, I personally can not, and don't want to imagine ever shooting a soul. But the facts can't be argued, MORE GUNS EQUALS LESS CRIME. The more guns that there are in a community, the less crime that that community will have to suffer from. The man across the street from me has an assault rifle; nothing ever comes up missing from around here. I've never heard of a "real" crime, a crime with an actual victim involved, ever happening on my street. Oh sure, the police were called once on the idiot woman across the street and to the left, she's a loudmouth, vile human being who'd got into a shouting match with her man friend, or something. Nobody went to jail, no crime was committed. My tiny abode won't be robbed with me in it, and neither will my parents nearby, we're all armed out here, and any professional thief would know it by looking at the area.

Texans For Accountable Government BESTS The Austin PD's Effort To Disarm Citizens.

What Happened in Austin, Texas?

Everyone knows that the State of Texas, besides being exceptionally beautiful in a number of different ways, and having a huge level of multi ethnic demographic and culturally unique pockets of world flavor, a distinct heritage and attitude, an incomparable level of state pride, and the unique history of having once been it's own nation; we're also, rather sadly, a mostly conservative state. But Austin, Texas; our state's capital, is a very liberal city, the only thing to be said for it is that it's the San Francisco of the South West. In Austin, Texas; the city's police department had decided that they ought to do a gun buy back program, and "reward" persons turning in firearms with a $100.00 grocery store gift card. It's hard economic times, we all know that, and here in Texas, that idea had brought some folks out who, in desperation, had decided to go get that hundred bucks worth of food.

The Austin Police department, however, had no intention of doing anything worthwhile with those guns, if they were to get them, they intended to run the serial numbers, and see if they were stolen weapons. Then, after that, their intentions where to do ballistics testing on those firearms to see if, perhaps, they had been used in a crime. So far, so good, right? They are only spending our tax dollars investigating inanimate objects in a very low crime city; and I don't care what they'd told anyone, should any numbers or whatever come up "iffy" then there were going to be arrests made.

"Come here, little girl, wanna hundred dollar grocery card? I'm not gonna hurt ya. .. . . . ."

But the Austin PD was utterly foiled, and was an utter failure in it's endeavor to waste taxpayer dollars that day. Also, very valuable items were saved from the Austin PD's eventual plan to just destroy the weapons in a furnace. The American Economy needs not wasteful police spending, and then to have valuable items, items of commerce, destroyed at even further tax payer expense.

The Austin PD thought that they'd disarm the poor citizens of Austin, Texas that day; but that is not what happened; a group called Texans For Accountable Government showed up, and out bid the police with cash money for firearms. You can watch the video, and see how stupid, how utterly failed despotism registered on the face of the chief of police here. It's a most beautiful sight.

Gun Control Laws Kill More People Than No Gun Control.

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Brie Hoffman 5 years ago from Manhattan

Preach it brother preach it!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

HAHAHA!!!! Thanks Ms. Hoffman! Team Hubpages is finding me sorely lacking here lately in getting the memo memes of assimilation and compliance with their world views these days; late last night they took one of mine out of circulation, and I can't find any difference in it and the others that are similar to it.

Still waiting for that clarification e mail. . . .


DoItForHer 5 years ago

Encouraging citizens to unarm themselves does make no-knock raids safer for the police.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago

We need to vote for peace in our sick society. Arm yourselves if you will. The enemy of our country has us all divided. Arm yourselves. They will further divide and conquer. People can't go to church together. They can't eat together. They cannot vote together. All the guns in the world can't beat their organization and our ineptness coupled with individualism. God bless Wes!


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Jeremey 5 years ago from Arizona

Good topic covered very well here, nice writing. Similar situations over here in Arizona. Maybe had there been armed people when Congresswoman Gaby Giffords was shot along with many others not so many innocents would have been injured or died, the violent offender would have been brought down before the situation became a massacre. We'd be celebrating a hero for bringing him down rather than glorifying the insanity of one man.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey Jeremey!! Nice to see you! Yeah, if enough armed persons would have been around, it's doubtful even that someone would try such a stupid stunt!


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Jeremey 5 years ago from Arizona

Very true my friend. Good point, and good to see you as well. I found library can be more rewarding these days than looking for work so I figured on check in on Hubpages and see what's been going on. Take care and keep up the good writings, always a pleasure to read.


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justom 5 years ago from 41042

Ha! Another killer hub about TRUTH!! You put this one together real well Todd. I love that poster about the experts and the vid of those guys outbidding the cops is a riot. When the Cincinnati cops had that program years ago you won't believe what they did with the guns they bought back. They sold the fuckin' things at the police auction! How stupid is that, they take guns off the street so they can put 'em back out there. I guess it's job security :-P Real nice work man!! Tom


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Tom, that's better than what the Austin PD had planned!!! Destroying weapons that could be sold is just economic stupidity at this point in time, guess them Cincy cops needed new softball uniforms????

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


tugbo200-5 5 years ago

As usual Wes,a great hub.

If and when it does come down to disarming

the American people, rest assured,many shots will be fired.

Peace


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Yes Sir; I'm told our deer hunting population is a huge force of skilled persons with high powered rifles, which constitutes an army all on it's own.


Joey Bennett 5 years ago

This is a great hub. I agree that guns should not be taken from citizens. However, I do think that if you own a gun you should join a gun club so that you know how to properly use it. Otherwise it could cause more harm than good.


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speedbird 5 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

I believe gun control should lead to a safer community. Many guns are used in crime when they land in wrong hands. Anyway nice hub, Voted UP and rated USEFUL


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey Joey Bennett, definitely, maybe the only gun control should be proof of handling and safety traing?

Speedbird, thanks for the comment. Lots of cars are used to get away from the scene of a crime, so maybe cars should be illegal? After all, I could use a gun and rob a bank, but if cars were illegal, then I'd be right there when the cops showed up - couldn't have gotten far without a car. Heck, maybe shoes should be illegal, if everyone was barefoot, it would be really hard to get away from the scene of a crime in the Winters and Summers, also, if shoes were illegal, you couldn't just run away, there is usually broken glass and shit outside of stores, banks, on sidewalks, etc. Lets make the world safer by banning shoes and automobiles!


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ArtzGirl 5 years ago from San Diego

After seeing the movie "Red Dawn", I have always felt that it is very important that Americans are able to bear arms and have them available in their homes.

Gun Safety is supremely important-- and making sure that guns are put away from children, etc...

There was an episode of 6 Feet Under that was quite profound, where a young boy went into the mother's room and picked up a gun that was hidden under the bed. He shot himself and it showed the ramifications and emotions that the brother and mother had, in dealing with this tragedy. A great show-- made some fabulous points!


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ArtzGirl 5 years ago from San Diego

Great hub Wesman, you bring up a great topic here!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Yeah. Gun safety is important, but more children drown annually in swimming pools than are shot with guns. Guns make the headlines though, as the media seems to have an agenda, IMO.


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Cagsil 5 years ago from USA or America

Hey Wesman, a very good read. I enjoyed the comic you put in, that was too funny. I also like your description for "police protection", very suiting indeed. I'm working on my own Gun Control hub and saw your hub listed in the related section of my unpublished hub, so I came to see what you had to say on the matter and for the most part, I see we are in agreement about Gun Control. Nice done. :)


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey thanks!!! I've got several gun control hubs, it's a favorite issue of mine.


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Taylorwise 5 years ago from Austin, TX

WST, I have to question your swimming pool statistic. Can you please cite a source? is it worldwide? Within Kaufman, Texas? Children, meaning 18 and under? Thanks.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

I did not fabricate that. It was a VERY legitimate, and factual statistic from three or four years ago. I don't follow such statistics currently, as they . . .don't much mater. Gun violence doesn't have a whole lot to do with the availability of weapons - it's a cultural failing, or a parental failing.


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Taylorwise 5 years ago from Austin, TX

I really didn't intend to put you on the defensive, and I'm not accusing you of fabricating anything... But I can find nothing--not any recent year, not anything in the US, not anything even if you stretch the definition of "children" to include ages 1 to 24-- that even comes close to backing up that claim. I was just curious if you could cite a source.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Yeah. Thanks. It would have been a nice link to hold onto, and put here. I'm fairly skeptical of statistics though. Numbers can't lie, but knowing what is and isn't factored into something is always essential, of course.


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feenix 5 years ago

Wesman, I was drawn to this hub because I have been a card-carrying member of the NRA ever since 1981. And I definitely came to the right place because this is a terrific, well-written, excellently-designed and informative hub. Also, you just about said in all in the beginning of this post: "The right to protect yourself and bare arms ... is not a right that any governing body can give you, it's a right that you have ..."


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey feenix, THANK YOU! Of course I know guns aren't the answer to many problems - but it's never, ever been a good sign for the governed of any nation when Government deems it's citizens . . . .as safer without them. It might be illegal, but man, I'd damn sure never tell the guy with a felony marijuana, or whatever - criminal record that he shouldn't have a gun. I never saw in the Constitution where it said that just because someone was convicted for some bullshit crime that they no longer have a right to bare arms and protect themselves.

I can't ever say enough that the violent crimes in this country that involve guns are indicative of a sick culture, take away the guns - and it's the same sick culture - but there are no citizens, just "subjects."

I'm not a NRA member, but I ought to be. I support everything "Constitution, and Bill Of Rights," and nothing or no one that accepts anything that deviates from that. It's not scripture, but it's the best outline for a society that has ever been created.

Whoever thought that government's give people rights? Our rights are human, and inalienable; despite whatever banker's homeboy signs whatever else into law.

It's stupid to think that anyone can outgun the cops or the military - that's not the point, and it never was.


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Ddraigcoch 5 years ago from UK

Wesman, as a UK citizen you are probably aware that what people are pushing for in the US is already so here. The fact we have no guns does not make life easier. It just means the criminals can illegally obtain them and the police can have them. Even with out guns, if we injure a burglar, we can find ourselves in prison on charges of assault. Seems that it just makes people more vulnerable and leaves a great feeling of helplessness.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

You know, Draigcoch, I used to spend hours and hours dreaming that I lived in either the United Kingdom, Holland, or Germany. Oh, I still want to spend a lot of time in those places - but I wouldn't want to live in any of those places now.

YEP - it's tyranny. I'm disappointed in the directions that Western Europe and the USA are both heading.

It's Bible end times, IMO, and that global government prophecy spoke of first in the tower of Babel story. .. .is finally coming around.


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Ddraigcoch 5 years ago from UK

Also @Speedbird. It has not stopped crime in the UK. All that has happened is criminals obtain guns illegally and we are left unarmed to defend against them. Criminals also use knives. Please do not start a petition to ban those. I can not cut my beef up with a spoon!!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey Ddraigcoch, I'd heard that "quick flick" knives were on the Obama agenda here to be banned.

He's clearly a global government fascist, our president. Hopefully the U.K. and the Americas can have a complete and total citizens revolt against the global oligarchy.


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California

Hi Wes, I can’t believed I missed this hub…where are all the European socialist who usually line up to demonize American’s and our love for self protecting freedom, one bullet at a time? I was reading a hub posted two years ago that had all sorts on derogatory anti-American and anti-democracy drivel.

I have just two points for the freedom haters. Those who use the argument that if we only didn’t have guns the world would be better…to you morons who have no concept of pre-1600’s history, the world did exist without guns, and the same powerful S.O.B.’s did everything they could to keep the lower classes enslaved for eternity. Next, before fire arms, the Roman short sword and the English yeoman were the most deadly entities on earth. Again, anti-gun crusaders have no concept of history, or understanding of corrupt rule. Cheers mate, lovely hub you have here.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey Jason - you just inspired me with the pre 1600's history thing!!!!!!!

Dude, nobody . . ..I can't get enough haters. I try to write the most radical in your face stuff that I can. . .and I'm just not getting enough debate style comments.

Also. . . .I'm sick of dogging police. I've done too much of that. I try to throw in as much positive as I can - but the thing in Austin. . .was, or should have been embarrassing to that department.

Someday I'll tell you my stories of when I got to meet several FBI folks. . .they sort of requested my appearance at the Down Town Dallas Federal Building - and I just couldn't seem to say "no thanks!" HA!

In the end, one of them gave me a card and said "Call me for any reason that you think you might need to."


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Jason R. Manning 5 years ago from Sacramento, California

Wes, it sounds like you better get hot on writing a hub on "reasons to like law enforcement." The next time I go looking to read from you will be on Google, "Texas air conditioning tech gets nabbed for domestic terrorism." Not cool dude. Try to find some balance friend. Cheers.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

heheheheheh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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RowanRiver 5 years ago

bare =/= bear, just so you know. ;) Nicely put together, Todd. Imma use this for a model...

Thea


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

THEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dangit! Me and my grammar and spelling errors ~sigh~


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RowanRiver 5 years ago

Hey, darlin'! Lol! Don't worry, I also rely heavily on various spell check software...


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

I have no bare arms to speak of. . . .mine are much more like bear arms, very hairy!!!!! LOLOLOL!!!!! I'm almost afeared of how many times I've said it wrong certain that big furry critters were NOT involved!


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RowanRiver 5 years ago

*hands Todd a Bic razor and some hot wax and pats him on the head* Don't worry, you write really well, I'm impressed. ;)


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Thank You!!! I try really hard, and damn near daily - here or on similar sites. Sometimes I get paid too even!


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KC Santiago 5 years ago from Texas

I will most certainly head out to the Dallas area before leaving texas. That will be another year, so maybe next fall I will get out there and we can go out with my cousin and do some target shooting.

There are a couple of other folks I have met online I would like to meet before heading north again.

Sometimes it is hard to realize when we first made acquaintances on myspazz we were generally arguing with each other.

This was a great work, well spoken and backed up. As always.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey thanks KC!!!! I'd definitely like to go hunting/shooting with you if possible!

I literally use you as an example sometimes. I tell people about the guy who I used to just curse (can't recall exactly why ) that I figured out that I liked anyway.

I literally just used to be more of an asshole than I am now - If I live to 60 years old I'll by then be Buddha or something.

I don't worry about trying to "save" my internet reputation at all - but I clearly used to just be the guy who would take stuff out on strangers on the web - very poor behavior that.


SanXuary 5 years ago

Most of us are never prepared for the next monster and only after there is a victim does a policeman even start looking for one. Watch a few documentaries or TV shows about true crime and it does not take much to realize that a gun would have been nice right before you became the next victim. My biggest reason for being armed is the great equalizer. A big thug who had twenty years prison working out is probably going to win in just about any fair fight, he can even fashion a knife out of melted plastic. Do you think your older relatives stand a chance or how about your 90 pound wife at home with your young ones. The only thing that makes it a fair fight is a fire arm.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Hey, I'm right there with you. I don't carry a pistol or anything, but I think everyone should own a gun of some kind, even if it's "just" a shotgun.


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Larry Fields 5 years ago from Northern California

Voted up. Taylorwise wrote 7 months ago:

"WST, I have to question your swimming pool statistic. Can you please cite a source?"

If I remember correctly, I saw that factoid in an article about Levitt's book, Freakanomics. (spelling?)


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

I can't remember where I got that one. It was quoted and sourced by someone commenting a blog of mine years ago when that info was fresh.

Doesn't even matter - it's total hypocrisy to believe that people can't be trusted with guns, but that governments .....made up of people CAN be trusted with guns.

Hypocrisy and logical failings of the very highest possible order.


Chris Hugh 4 years ago

Great Hub, you've got it all covered. You're obviously extremely knowledgeable.

Maybe you can help me out? I've been trying to figure out the origin of a quote I'm remembering. Many google searches have not helped me. I think it is the mid-Century German dictator (I'm not trying to be cute; I just don't want his name appearing near mine in any search result) saying something like 'there is no reason for any civilized person to own a gun.'

'Be much obliged if anyone can point me toward a clue. Thanks much.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

Let me think about that one - but Hitler had disarmed Germany. I'll bet I can turn up an entire list of quotes


Chris Hugh 4 years ago

Thanks! I'm so sure I've heard that quote. OTOH, that's something the anti's say so much, maybe I just heard it so many times it stuck in my head, so I could be mistaken.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 4 years ago from Kaufman, Texas Author

I did a brief search....and was disappointed - no quotes list to be seen.

I'll look again though - targeting Germany.


Chris Hugh 4 years ago

Thank so much. I don't want to impose on your time. I was just thinking it might ring a bell with you since you're extremely knowledgeable about RKBA stuff.

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