BLACK GUILT

A growing epidemic amongst blacks.

"Black Guilt" a phenomena seen mostly in the upper crust of black society has recently begun to filter down into even the most oppressed segments of the black community. Black guilt can be defined as a mental separation from the black race that takes on an almost anti-black mindset. Black guilt is a characteristic found generally in assimilated Blacks. It is the foundation for most (not all) interracial relationships. It manifests itself in the form of social denial, critical observations, and public support of the majority White population.

Bill Cosby gave us the most obvious example of Black Guilt in his NAACP speech that focused on the level of irresponsibility in the black community. During his speech Cosby eloquently pointed to individual acts or irresponsibility, but he was unable to offer any discussion on the inequities faced by people in these communities. Many may argue that the points made by the esteemed William H. Cosby Jr. PhD were dead on accurate. With this I cannot argue, however Cosby’s lack of ability to offer any critical observation of a society that has developed an environment of inequity through race based policies leaves his argument hollow and void of any foundation. One must consider that Cosby is not only a world famous entertainer and trusted pusher of Jell-O brand products, William H. Cosby Jr. is also an esteemed academic, which makes his inability to analyze the complete social picture in his argument even more baffling.

Cosby has throughout his career focused on one major goal. That goal has been to achieve, maintain, and cultivate a financially rewarding lifestyle without biting the white hand that feeds him. His chosen position of passive compliance works well for many blacks, allowing them to reap the benefits received from their racial connection to black society, while creating a wall that separates them from that same community. But this is not about Bill Cosby; it’s about a mindset that undermines the achievements made by the black community while fostering racial hatred and misunderstanding within the white community.

"Black Guilt" dates back to slavery and can be documented in the famous writings of W.E.B Du bois. Du bois in his most widely read work “Souls of Black Folk” delved in and out of his own black guilt, which was cultivated in his northern upbringing. His repeated references to blacks as unattractive and ignorant were contrasted by the manner in which he vaguely addresses the contributions of the white population to the sorrowful conditions experienced by the black population in the south. Frederick Douglas warned in his book “My bondage, My freedom” that historians would look back on the joyous nature of the old black spirituals and claim them as proof that blacks actually enjoyed slavery. When in reality they were coded songs used as a method of communication between slaves. It didn’t take long before Du bois offered just this conclusion in “Souls of Black Folk”. I often wonder if Frederick Douglas ever thought that the historian responsible for redirecting black history would also be a man of color.

"Black Guilt" is built on the premise that a black person who is willing to promote negative black stereotypes will not only put himself above other blacks but find favor in whites. The problem with this approach is that it actually fosters a divide between the races by reinforcing half truths, lies and propaganda about the black population as a whole.

As previously stated "Black Guilt" is a characteristic commonly found in those blacks who follow a doctrine of assimilation. By relinquishing their communal ties they find themselves in a constant battle between their natural instincts and a need for self preservation. Enter into the home of most successful or dedicated assimilated Blacks and you will find libraries filled with writings by or about people like W.E.B Du bois, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, Assata Shakur, Stokely Carmichael, and Huey P. Newton. While at the same time they openly voice disgust for what whites have tagged a "victim mentality" or "divisive nature" within the black community. These same tags where carried by every one of those historic figures perched proudly on their bookshelf at some point in time. The assimilated black will hold the so called victim mentality or divisive nature close to their vest while publicly denouncing its existence in the black community. They will immortalize these divisive blacks by arguing that they were living in a different time. A time of gross inequity, thus justifying their actions. The problem with this argument is that sufferers of "Black Guilt" during the civil rights era and beyond felt the same disgust and angst towards those historic figures that now fill their bookcases.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a troublemaker, Malcolm X was a thug, Stokely Carmichael was divisive, and Frederick Douglas was the personified the victim mentality, traveling the world whining about slavery and the sufferings encountered by slaves.

The assimilated are a contradiction to themselves, the black community, and to most in the white community. Yet they are held up as stellar examples because of their undying need to publicly put blacks in their so-called place. An act that is most soothing to the general white population.

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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

tubbs, other ethnic or racial groups in America integrated into society. There is a big difference between the two. They are not told how they should or should not dress, wear their hair, or even speak (as long as they speak English in an understandable form) however, this is in contrast to America's call on the black community. If you wear the wrong hair style, wrong clothes, or use the wrong word in a sentence you have failed the call of complete assimilation.

I would suggest you review the definition of both integration and assimilation.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

tubbs what do you define as social convention and please show me where in my hub I mention "Uncle Tom". The hub is about Black Guilt. I implore you again to look up the definition of the two to learn how they contrast with one another.

Black may be beautiful BUT????? That says it all.


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posey 6 years ago

SOBF - It's about time someone finally called a spade a spade. I am so sick and tired of these pseudo blacks who live in Lilly white towns speaking as though they are from the hood and know what's best for the black community. When in reality they are simply trying to make their white friends feel better about who they are and their commitment to the cause.

Victim mentality was created by whites as a defense against racist acts and now these wanna be what they can't be blacks have begun carrying the torch. What's next. Let's bring back lynchings and call them social purging and these black folk will show up noose in hand.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Thank you Posey - luv the noose in hand statement. You are correct, these are normally blacks that choose to live as far away from other blacks as possible. Place like Washington, Oregon, Iowa, Utah, and California (except Oakland).


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BobbiRant 6 years ago from New York

I love reading Du bois writing. This is a great hub. I like it. Thanks for sharing.


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John B Badd 6 years ago from Saint Louis, MO

I think the issue lies more in a class difference than it does in the concept of black guilt. A rich or upper middle class individual is naturally going to be out of touch with the plights of poor and lower middle class folks.

I think Cosby was merely trying to point out the victim mentality that holds people down and that they use as an excuse - even a crutch for bad behavior and poor decisions.

Until a person first accepts themselves as an individual and takes personal responsibility for there actions they can not pull themselves out of cycle of despair and self pity they are trapped it.

I know plenty of poor white people with this issue also so I am not making a racial statement. The difference with white people is they blame rich people, immigrants and affirmative action for their plights where black people blame white oppression and rich people for their plights; both are wrong and need to take personal responsibility and stop the victim mentality that holds them back.

Before you dismiss me as a white man who doesn't know the black mans plight I want to let you know I was born in raised in "the hood" of Walnut Park - North St Louis city - and I was a minority most of my life. I have seen and experienced the struggle of poverty and raised my self to middle class standing through hard work and education (courtesy of libraries and a Pell grant).


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

John B Badd - We both agree that there is a feeling of hopelessness in the black community, but while it often displays itself in the blame game it is actually the result of brainwashing. As in the poor white community teaching to focus your anger on others for your position in life is part of the oppressive game plan.

During pre-slavery when the majority white population became concerned that indentured servants both black and white would rise up against them after they organized together to fight unequal treatment. Once they began to win greater rights through the judicial system the need to squash this movement became greater. In turn a society of class through race was created by placing poor whites in charge of the blacks and removing all rights held by blacks.

While still poor, underpaid, and disrespected by others in their race it gave lower class whites a feeling of superiority over the blacks, separating them and killing the movement. The need to maintain such a society is still in affect today through media, the judicial system, and law enforcement. While it has embedded itself in the psychic of most whites it is promoted and encouraged by the politics of the right.

With this said, one must understand that there are actually victims of such a system. To deny this is to be unjust to those who suffer from a system designed on a hierarchy of race, then economics.

Some Blacks have find the easiest way out of this system is to actually support it. By creating almost a separate class within the black race, not built on economics but on claims of higher morals, intelligence, and understanding of whites.

With this said, one must understand that their is no such thing as a victim mentality, just those that overcome victim hood. This is true in both the black and white community. As a black who overcame the challenges of race in this society, I refuse to claim that such challenges don't exist and that they are nothing more than the figment of someones imagination. I am compelled to return us to the day when blacks and whites actually understood that the actual battle is class a battle a battle that can be fought together and won, but we must first get rid of the race based mentality designed to control all races.

Surprise...we are all victims. There is actually no middle class just those who control the economy and those of us who support it.


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Mark Monroe 6 years ago from Dover De

Well Written


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Mark Monroe - Thanks for reading


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John B Badd 6 years ago from Saint Louis, MO

I did not expect that response SOBF; it defiantly gives me something to think about. I agree whole heartedly that class is the real issue and not race. I think the problem lies in getting everyone to see that. And if they see it where do we go from there?


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

John B - The problem is not getting everyone to see it but to get everyone to not fear it. The fear of living in a society that is truly equal will never come about until we realize that it will cause the boat to capsize.

I will ask you to think back one step further. It is not class then race but economics, class, and race, the three being intertwined. This country was built on slave labor sustained on child labor and currently thrives on outsourced labor. All it it cheap, all of it overlooked by the working class. I will say socialism is not the answer. This country could not survive a socialist regime but it also cannot survive a capitalist regime.

America is a hybrid of the two and must maintain that balance, leaning more towards the philosophy that is most needed at the time. Until every American understands this we will continue to fight one another over the spoils that none of us partake.


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Right Black 6 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF, what a thought provoking article. I thought you said I was your inspiration for this. How could that be? I am certainly not anti-black, not even almost. I'm just pro-American. Not pro-white American but all Americans. Funny thing, Cosby speaks of the underachievement of blacks and you want him to give the same old tired speech of blame whitey for today's underachievement. Do you think that any of us (blacks) don't know our history? Fine, criticize Cosby for his speech but you also need to criticize those who have decided not to participate in our American society and let the rest take care of them. What pride is there in affirming that getting an education is acting white? If you were in those schools they'd call you a sell out because you wanted an education and to be successful. Maybe you should criticize yourself for black guilt in that case. Okay, maybe not so much, but you shouldn't blame everything on the past nor should you be blind to the racism that DOES exist today.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a trouble maker but we needed to make trouble to point out he problems in our society and win the freedoms we had been denied by the white racists. Malcolm X was a thug who learned that there was no benefit in thuggery and became a voice for equality and peace. Frederick Douglass was never a personification of the victim mentality, he WAS a victim who extricated himself from his oppressors and then was brave enough to point the finger at them and help liberate our ancestors from the oppressors. Most of the oppressors were white but not all whites were oppressors. Whenever I look at life I try to look at it balanced, no guilt in that. When I think of my white great grand father I can't hate a man who wanted to marry my great grand mother but couldn't due to the laws the white racists had set up. He wasn't the racist, they were two free people in love who couldn't create a life together. Why should I hate him? The fabric of America is a tapestry of many hues and a book of many stories but I believe one thing is true, blacks who are underachievers need to wake up, there is plenty of opportunity in America, who the hell cares what someone thinks of you, they can't hold you back unless you let them. Again, NO GUILT.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - Allow me to share my reason for considering you the motivation behind this hub. We live in a society in which Blacks are a group not individuals and you spend a great deal of your time fostering that notion amongst your white readers. Of course with you as one of the few exceptions to the rule.

In reality, Blacks are as individual as Whites in their beliefs, morals, and self value. We spend far too much time fighting what is not in order to be able to reach what is. While I understand that in your environment, no in most environments the majority population in this country is by nature excepting and open to people of other ethnic groups. I also understand that under that most basic feeling of Human before Race they struggle with the social programming of White being superior to all others. This is not some victim mentality but the reality of the overall culture that we live in.

Let me use the post that we discussed on my other hub. Is it not strange that the author had resentment towards blacks because of the way he felt both Blacks behaved during Katrina. He did not have a problem with people from New Orleans, not did he have a problem with those from Louisiana. His problem boiled down to Blacks, even though there were Whites in the stadium. Nor did he even realize the large population of whites in Mississippi that were doing the same. His focus went to one thing, if its negative its Black. That my friend is racist and that is why I wrote this hub.

Now let me answer your direct response to this hub.

I did not want Bill Cosby to give the same speech, (old tired left out on purpose) I wanted him to acknowledge that it takes more than just a change of mind to achieve in this country. Acknowledge that Blacks get 30% longer jail terms than their counterparts therefore they should stay away from crime. Admit that Blacks get less pain medicine in hospitals than their White counterparts, admit that school funding is tilted to majority White populations therefore they must push even harder to get out of their situation. Admit that society has stacked the decks against young black men in the ghetto making their journey tougher. Arm them with the truth and they can prepare to do battle. Simply calling them underachieving addresses nor achieves nothing. Was it true, yes from a very basic almost elementary viewpoint, but it goes much further and deeper than that.

You were correct that Martin Luther King was a trouble maker but you are wrong if you think we no longer need trouble makers.

Malcolm X was by no means a thug, he was however a warrior who pushed Kings agenda harder than King himself. It was the equality or upheaval that got this government to move on affirmative action.

Frederick Douglas was called a fraud, a stooge, he was accused of pretending to be a slave for the sake of abolitionist.

Never in anything I write suggest the White population in its entirety is racist. In fact as I stated I believe just that opposite. However, I also know for a fact that there are enough racist attitudes in positions of authority in this country to affect the lives of the Black population.


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Right Black 6 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF,it seems strange to me that you would find fault in my trying to change the thinking on both sides of this divide. I never deny racism, I just point to the fact that it exists on both sides and that those who oppose it on both sides should stand together. I am not apologizing for my black skin, I just refuse to let it get in the way of my abilities to become the best that I can be. My father used to say that because I am black I would have to work twice as hard as those who are white. Then he would say don't let that be an excuse, "be the best."

It seems odd to me that you blame the writer of the statement and not the main stream media who reported it in the fashion that would breed resentment. They are the ones who edit the video to show only those blacks who were complaining. I am sure that their were plenty of our brothers and sisters who were happy to be alive and praising God for their deliverance but no one showed those images. Surely if we receive biased reporting we will get biased opinions by those who are ignorant of who we really are. There are plenty of us who are black and white who reject the often believed perspective droned by the media and we have decided to really judge the individual not the ethnic group. You may not like this approach or you may call it selling out but I don't apologize for my blackness, my conservatism or my Christianity. I am proud to be who I am and I am still on the road to being the best that I can be regardless of the ignorance of others or racism.

As far as the need for trouble makers is concern, that has always been my middle name. If I sense injustice I point it out. Yes, we need trouble makers just not the kind who separate but those who pull Americans together. You seem to wish that we segregate where I want us to integrate. You seem to think that assimilation means the giving up of who you are instead of the bettering of who you are. I see whites assimilating traditionally black traits all the time to their betterment.

Malcolm X was on his way to becoming one of the most powerful forces of good until his own cut him down. It didn't take a white man to silence him, the blacks he was trying to convince that they were on the wrong path took care of that. Had Martin and Malcolm lived I believe my system of dealing with racism would be the predominate but the culture of violence that was perpetrated by those racist both black and white cut short the lives of both of these American heros.

I'm curious what black stereotype were you talking about in your article? Do you think there is only one?


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ahostagesituation 6 years ago

I love the way this is written, you make your points well. It is really hard to stay diplomatic on this issue, and since this hub was emailed to me by another hubber, I had to check it out. I believe you would call me 'assimilated,' if you knew me only on paper, but I've worked most of my adult life in inner-city communities. I think your point on blacks being too often categorized, and not individualized is a valid one, and it's a problem in and out of our community. I did not grow up poor, and I'm not going to pretend to really know the 'hood experience, that would be silly of me. My dad taught the boys and I to survive--socially, spiritually, financially, emotionally, and we do. Playing with the kind of advantages that I had growing up, I am not crazy enough to wag my finger at those in my community who are starting behind the eight ball. It's not right. It literally breaks my heart when I work with, and for people whose lives are not bigger than a few city blocks, and are not able to see past that. I have never believed that criticizing or demeaning will evoke change in anyone. It's a waste of time at best, at worst it's a tremendous setback. But still, it can not be ignored that there is too much enabling in our urban communities. We can't fix what's wrong with constant finger pointing, but we certainly can't fix what's wrong by ignoring the issues, or babying. It's negative reinforcement, and it's not constructive. I want single mothers getting educated, not reproducing. I want the gang-bangers I've worked with to fight better causes, and see better options. And I get how vanilla this sounds. Every minority group in this country has it tougher, so we should be tougher. I'm one who enjoys being under-estimated because I work best proving people wrong. I do not have issues with self-hatred, but I know we've got work to do as a community. Eloquent writing, and great hub.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - I will for sake of this reply not address your method of attempting to deflect blame from author to media. I will instead address the final question in your quote.

Victim Mentality

A mentality that exist in such a small segment of the black community that the use of such a term is actually irrelevant.

Racist

Those who claim racism within the Black community against Whites must ask themselves one simple question. If it were not for the treatment of Blacks by Whites would Blacks hold any animosity towards Whites? My answer to this question would be a resounding "NO". Look around the globe at the Black/White relationship and you will find a people who trusted, were taken advantage of, brutalized, and then rebelled. Even after rebellion Blacks continue to trust and hold Whites in high esteem.

Blacks don't dislike Whites because they are White, they distrust and despise them because of their historical act of violence and hate against them.

A Racist is a person that draws their conclusion solely on race, nothing else.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

ahostagesituation

Let me start by sharing with you a saying that was drummed in my head from childhood to adulthood by my father who was a professional boxer.

"You will never avoid a knockout punch if you have no idea where its coming from."

I also perform a great deal of work in the types of communities in which I grew up and one thing I can say without hesitation is that blacks don't hold seminars on how to get welfare, how to have a baby before high school graduation, or how to spend the majority of your life behind bars. That which you see as enabling is actually the results of Pavlovian conditioning. The enablers are not within these communities as you think, but controlling from the outside.

Moving from the Black to a vastly White populous has always been met with great resistance. A resistance that built a fence around communities of color. While for most people (even most Blacks) these fences seem non-existent, to them they are real.

To call their condition the problem without addressing that which causes the condition is the reason the Black population is stuck at a 24% poverty rate. All the actions you describe have one thing in common, they are within the restrictions of conditioning thought to be an avenue that will take them beyond the fence. Therefore, I challenge you to think beyond the conditioning to the conditioner. Remove the fence as in removing the shock treatment and the conditioned reactions will dissipate on their own.

Look at all those who you label with self destructive behavioral attributes and you will find one common thread. They all feel that they are stuck in their situation or stuck behind the fence.

Thanks for your comment


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ahostagesituation 6 years ago

SOBF, hi, please, it's SJ or Shannon. Your quote here is excellent. I haven't heard it before, and I like it. But here's the thing, if I decide to fight a fight that matters, and it's til 'TKO,' I'm not about to go into the ring with the plan to 'avoid knockout punches.' I'd plan to throw knockout punches. I'm not going to walk into anything as important as a fight to knockout, or life itself playing defense. It's just not strategically sound. I'm with you on Pavlovian conditioning, you're correct. I'm with you that those with self-destructive behavior in our community often feel stuck behind the fence. But even if it is true that the conditioning comes from outside the community, the behavior itself is still our choice. No one can decide an individual's behavior but that individual. No element outside the community can be changed--i.e. America, White America, what have you. How really do we fix it? I know there aren't classes in urban communities on how to be self-destructive, but the responsibility for the change in that mentality, isn't that ours? That's not something that can be repaired by the government.

You've done your homework just like I have, and you know like I know that Blacks did enslave and sell Blacks as well. Slavery was horrible, and I'm one who is not blind to the residual effects of American slavery. But it was a display of man's inhumanity to man. Can we really say that any minority would have behaved in a kinder way historically if in the majority, and in control of the assets? Without having known what it is to be on the other side of the 'majority rules' dilemma, how do we know any minority would have distributed assets ethically?

You mention the condition can not be changed without addressing the cause, yes? Do we hold any responsibility for perpetuating the condition among ourselves? And if the cause is external of the Black community itself, that may never be changed. It seems to me a decent 'right now' Plan B is working internally in the urban community, and teaching that the fence is destructible. What do you think needs to be done?


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royalblkrose 6 years ago from florida

interesting, thought provoking... and at points ... BORING! that's right I said boring! as an african- american woman I am quite throughly tired of the name-calling and nit picking!

Cosby made some money and expressed his opinion, which is quite valid! too often too many of us and by us I mean people of color IN THE INNER CITY would rather identify with our surroundings rather than change them! I am not saying that this is by any stretch of the imagination easy! I've lived in rich neighborhoods and poor ones, I've lived with white and black, and what determined who lived where was not just external environment, but the INTERNAL one as well. I've lived in the 'hood, but was taught there was life beyond the 'hood and if the people around me didn't like it- so what? It's easy to feel hopeless when one decides to be complacent and accept what goes on around them as normal, even when they- and many urban youth KNOW there is more, even if it's just through the negative stereotypes pummeled into their psyches by hip-hop video!

Do I feel guilty because I'd rather read a book than talk junk? No. Do I feel guilty for wanting to follow the law than be bullied by the neighbors' kids that run the streets? No. and if you think Mr. Cosby had it easy... try tweeting him and asking him!


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

SJ - Before I offer you my solution to the problem, let me correct one of the most misinterpreted historical facts when it comes to Blacks and Slavery. The slave that existed in Africa and traded to Spaniards were not treated or even thought of in the same fashion as those that landed in the America's. They were seen and treated as human beings. Most were indentured servants, others prisoners of war. The thought that this is somehow equated to the vile method of slavery practiced in the U.S. were slaves were lowered to the level of an animal, bred and abused, whipped and murdered, tortured and raped as a daily practice of inventory management boggles my mind.

I also offer you the answer to question regarding the actions of Blacks if in the majority. History gives you account after account, were Blacks in the majority not only treated the White minority with the utmost respect by welcoming them into their countries, but allowed the savage nature of the intruders to take their country without as much as a fight.

Now for the answer to your question. You must first get them to understand that the fence exist. They must understand their place in the world, in history, and in their community is not the position that they have been directed to hold. They need examples like Bill Cosby standing with them, not judging them. The need to see, smell, taste, and imitate the success of Blacks who climb the fence on a daily basis knowing that the fence is not really an obstacle.

Does a mother tell her child that it is time to get up and walk and expect it to do so? No, she grabs it by the hand and slowly balances it, standing over it just in-case it stumbles so she can catch it. Then once the child walks, she continues to cautiously watch every step, nervous and afraid of the inevitable misstep.

I blame the sighted not the blind for failing to take the responsibility placed upon them to finish the job that our forefathers and mothers started. The greatest internal problem in the Black community is not those that lack knowledge but those who have it and would rather point fingers than share it.

It is a process and I applaud you for dedicating some of your time to guide those that know not.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - I do understand that Cosby grew up poor, I grew up watching the Cosby kids and everyone knew this was based on his childhood.

From the above hub:

"Many may argue that the points made by the esteemed William H. Cosby Jr. PhD were dead on accurate. With this I cannot argue"

Never did I say what Cosby said was inaccurate or wrong.

But to avoid being redundant I think my post above to SJ addresses the rest of your points.


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Right Black 6 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF, if blacks distrust and despise whites because of the history I can understand some of that but when are we going to change the future? Everyone knows that two wrongs don't make a right. We also know that most of the whites in America don't have ancestors who owned slaves. We also know that most black slaves were captured by other Africans and sold. Not just those who were prisoners of war but many were captured just for the sake of profit. Are we then to hate the Africans because their ancestors sold ours? Why is it that we find no problem with the brother from Nigeria who comes over to America but despise the new immigrant from Europe? The point I continually try to make is that it has to stop somewhere. I can't control the other person so I have begun with myself. I really do try to judge people based upon who they are not what race they are and I find that things go a lot better. Your article is well written but I think your energy would be better used finding solutions. Some of these solutions need to be changing the way we readily accept race baiting on one side and call it out on the other. Point is, it is wrong on both sides. Let's look at the issues with truth glasses instead of segregated glasses. When a white person acts like a jerk (like Dr. Laura recently did) call them jerks but when someone black does it we need to call them out as well. Don't you think it's time?


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - You are right, it would be a lot for a people to carry a grudge for 150 years. There is just one problem that always seems to get ignored when having this conversation. Slavery ended 1863 but Apartheid was in place for another 100 years. Apartheid in the US didn't end until the 1960's. Ending in bloody confrontations, murders, and imprisonments by Whites against Blacks. Now which do you really think has the most profound affect on the psych of a Black person?

I do have solutions, they are constantly part of just about everything I write. It is about Black consciousness, unity, and a commitment to one another. I am not talking about a segregated mentality for that would be insane in the society we live, but a commitment to continue the same struggles that we have always faced until we take the blinders off the final 24% that so many Whites and Blacks think make up the majority of the Black race.

It is not about the relationship between Blacks and Whites, but the relationship between Blacks that is the key to solving the equation on both sides. You see Whites are easy, they accept those who collectively garner their resources to benefit both themselves and the capitalist system we live under. Something that Blacks refuse to do out of fear that they will be seen as one of them other Blacks.


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pmccray 6 years ago from Utah

The remarks from Bill Cosby are long over due and much needed. Wether it's black guilt . . I not sure, but I'm sure that we have segments of our population that truly need to take responsibility and accountability for their lot in life.

It's not always the "man" a lot of times we need to take a look in the mirror at the "man or woman" staring back and assess the life choices we make.

We have too many that call those of us who aspire to do better "acting white or talking white", which is ignorant. Those that call themselves "being real" are usually really fearful and ignorant.

Yes, there are some outside influences that prevent minorities from their goals, but you can't give up.

We need to start at home, raising our sons and daughters with the moralities of old, teaching respect for others and themselves. Teaching them that education not incarceration is the answer. Working not draggin'and saggin'. Too many of us don't want to hear the truth because it hurts.

Many of our ancestors fought far worse odds than we do today and still persevered.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

pmccray

Thanks for the comment but I must disagree with you on several, ok every issue you raised. Before I do let me again state that nowhere in my hud do I say what Bill Cosby said was wrong. I actually said it was dead on, however I criticize not his words but his failure to use the required balanced analysis that academics are trained to use.

First you say "we have segments of our population that truly need to take responsibility and accountability for their lot in life"

This is true but doesn't every segment of the population have such people. If you had to really put a percentage in place of the word segment, what would that percentage be? 10%, 20%, 50%, 80%, what segment of the black community really falls under your description?

"We have too many that call those of us who aspire to do better "acting white or talking white"

I have done nothing in my life but strive to achieve greater things, but I have never been told that I act nor talk white. Just one Black mans actual experience.

"Yes, there are some outside influences that prevent minorities from their goals, but you can't give up"

Isn't that the entire point of equality? There should not be outside influences that prevent anyone from their goals. Is this not the root of this entire problem?

"We need to start at home, raising our sons and daughters with the moralities of old, teaching respect for others and themselves. Teaching them that education not incarceration is the answer. Working not draggin'and saggin'. Too many of us don't want to hear the truth because it hurts."

Your statements suggest that Blacks inherently teach immorality to their offspring. You may want to take another look at those outside forces that our children must overcome as the source of the problem. The media creates every negative Black image poured into our communities, whether the actors are wiling to participate or not. There would be no gangsta rap without the financing, marketing, and distribution of the product. There would be no drugs in the Black community without the financing, marketing, and distribution by outside sources.

Not since slavery have any of our ancestors fought worse odds than inner-city blacks face today. That is the fact that is lost in this entire conversation.


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royalblkrose 6 years ago from florida

sobf- you are right that in order to move up we must first show folk how to move. however that does not change the fact that when Oprah tried to help kids in her beloved chicago, she was ridiculed and shamed by demands for sneakers and cell phones.

There is a divide within ourselves as a community... there are plenty of doctors and lawyers and firemen and teachers, of color, but they are seen as sell outs! And why re-invest in a community of people that will attack you? the fight is for a sense of SELF within the community- "well all my friends doing thus and so- and I want to be with my friends!"

I remember my mother telling me about my great-great-grandfather, a freed slave. He didn't have a clue about getting an education. All he knew was working in the fields. As a result that's all his kids knew. My grandfather did get some education, and so did my grandmother, and learned how to do more, and spend more time with their children. As a result of parental attitudes, their children, including my mother had a different view of the world, through education.

And to address your point about the media... there'd be no market for all the negatives if no-one continued to BUY it. Most markets are consumer driven. Don't buy the product and it will cease to be marketable!

And, I'd like to address the comment about "teaching immorality" made by pmccray- kids learn what they see lived before them. If there's a moral standard that is raised in the home, and all members are held accountable, they will learn morality... if there is no structure or discipline or solid examples of manhood that are not socially disruptive, kids will naturally be drawn to that which is displayed before them.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - I try not to be too redundant in my replies therefore I will approach your comment from a different angle.

Your feelings towards the black community are neither new nor are they unique towards today's black community. One of the points that I make in this hub is that those blacks who look down upon other blacks have existed throughout our history in this country. DuBois referred to blacks just of of slavery as ignorant and unattractive placing their position in life at their feet rather than societies. Martin Luther King Jr. was denied an honorary degree from Morehouse because he was thought to be a trouble maker by its board. Malcolm X was an uneducated thug who wanted nothing more than to start a race riot. I can go on and on about how the self proclaimed black elites show ongoing disdain for blacks who believe in unity.

The self serving nature that deals with its own conflicts by demonizing those with whom they should hold some unity in order to avoid any responsibility.

Instead of looking at the black community from the negative side of the tracks, consider viewing them from a more positive angle.


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royalblkrose 6 years ago from florida

dear sir... you and are are at odds- I CAME from the wrong side of the tracks- but lived a sheltered life, and was blessed with the opportunity to travel a great deal and experience different environments. I learned- like you did, that there was more than one angle to approach a thing and like YOU took a different angle! I used to sit on my grandparents porch with my head in a book, and got teased for it- but kept reading rather than try to appease and/or befriend those that teased me. and how positively should I view anyone that prefers to be ignorant, self-centered and money hungry whatever their shade? I have no problem with unity, but unity in WHAT? Unit and uniformity are NOT the same thing! I celebrate the black diaspora, and am content not to agree with a mindset that desperately seeks an identity, but does not embrace change


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

roayalblrose -we may differ in our opinions but not much else. I too grew up in what one would call a lower middle class neighborhood. Spending my childhood drifting between DC's gold coast (an class black neighborhood)upper and places like Barry Farms (a poverty stricken project). To this day I have dear friends from all three sectors of the black experience. The difference between us is that I hold no guilt or shame because of the choices made by a minority group of people with darker skin color. Bad choices are easy to make in bad environments and those of us who avoided the bad choices are in no way better than those who failed to understand the consequences of those choices, we were just lucky. Fate is funny that way, one person, one incident, one word, one vision, and everything is different.

Each year I return to the old neighborhood for our reunion held at the local recreation center. A reunion filled with doctors, lawyers, business executives, social workers, policemen, mechanics, bus drivers, drug dealers, drug attics, and flat out criminals of all types. I look forward each year to communing with each and everyone of them, because each has something to contribute to who I am, be it knowledge, motivation, or a reminder of what I could have become had I made the wrong decision.

The only thing I miss are those that don't make it from one year to the next, for whatever reason. I have seen the blind see from the guidance and love of the sighted. I have experienced mothers who were emotionally ripped to shreds heal because their son or daughter had reconciled their hurt and overcome their vice. I know through my life experiences that what we think is broke is only corrupted.

I cannot turn my back on what I know to be the truth simply to bask in my own glory. It is not (thank God) my nature.


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royalblkrose 6 years ago from florida

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...I'm not ashamed of who I am, but I don't have to accept bad behavior from anybody.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - I agree bad behavior should never be considered acceptable. So lets talk about the unacceptable behaviour by the sighted in the Black community. Black doctors who run up medicare bills to line their pockets, Black academics who drain publicly funded programs to pay for lavish trips and parties, Black business men who go along with the redlining of poor black neighborhoods, a practice that increases their cost of living by about 40%. Black Professors who focus more on tenure that helps to put higher education further out of reach for Black students who desire to attend a HBCU. The list goes on and on.

Where is their comdemnation? Shouldn't you have nothing to do with them as an economic group? Don't they cause greater damage to whole than two guys robbing an old lady, after all they rob entire communities wihout as much as a question.


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Right Black 6 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF, took me a while to get back to this. Let's talk about what has happened since the '60's. Blacks have squandered the opportunities that they fought for. Freedom is not the ability to be taken care of or to do whatever you want. Freedom is the ability to be responsible to do the things you are suppose to do. When we have the prison problem which you like to bring up, it is not all the white man is unfair, blacks are involved in more criminal activity. Since the '60's single parent homes have skyrocketed. As a race we need to be more accountable to each other. I just recently helped a young lady who got pregnant and of course the black "man" left her high and dry. What does it prove that he could father a baby? Nothing, except he functions well biologically. In one of my businesses I have black clients who travel from LA to Orange County just so they can do business with a brother. They tell me all the other brothers they have used have been unreliable. Why? You are correct when you say that it is about the relationship between Blacks, the problem is that we try, to many times to get one over even on the brother. You made this clear when answering royalblkrose when you stated the Black doctors, academics, businessmen, professors and I would add many ministers are all about taking out of the community but not really putting into the community. Remember that these same professionals are the ones people listen to when it comes to elections, they are the same ones who run for office and they are the same ones who keep blacks on the Democrats paternalistic psychological plantation. Isn't it time for every black man to begin to think for himself and stop the group think that these professionals tell us to think?


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - Your initial statement almost caused me to choke, because it is the most ridiculous yet believed piece of propaganda ever used against the black population in this country "Blacks are involved in more criminal activity than whites". Nothing is further from the truth. In raw numbers black lag behind whites in almost every crime based on actual arrest rates. Including drug related offenses, the crime that drives the high incarceration rate of black males. You have been trained on incarceration rates that have more to do with the system of justice than committing a crime.

In fact the White arrest rate is similar to their population rate but their actual incarceration rate is much much less.

I offer the proof behind the statement

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_49.html

Single family homes skyrocketed in the 60's due to a stipulation in the welfare program designed to limit benefits to blacks. No benefits if a man is in the house. This rule forced many blacks, most who lived in poverty due to an apartheid system of government to separate in order to feed their children. After decades of this practice it became a cultural norm. You still blaming the blacks for that situation. Yeah, I know they should have just gone out and got a job even then.

A question about your friends who claim all the brothers they work with are unreliable. Are they reliable? When you encounter an unreliable white business owner do you walk away saying that was a bad business person or whites are bad business people. I have many friends black and white who own businesses and my experience is that none is less reliable than the other. The entire concept comes from those who have entrenched in their mind that whites are better than blacks.

As far as my statement regarding ethically challenged professionals, my point was that the culture royalblkrose put at the feet of the poor exist even more so in those who have achieved greater levels of success. This is also true in the white community. My statement was also based on economic achievement not political party, meaning there are conservative blacks that are just as bad as liberal blacks.


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royalblkrose 6 years ago from florida

I've said it before, and I'll say it again- there is a diaspora. We can speak of only what we have experienced. this tit for tat speaks more about the author of this blog than those who respond to it.


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SOBF 6 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - The author is only responding to statements addressed to him. Not sure what you qualify as tit for tat. I see it more as tit for fact.


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Right Black 6 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF, great chart. It totally proves my point. Of all of the crimes charged 30% were committed by blacks. We only make up 12% of the total population so our criminals are very busy. If we were to just look at the raw numbers to be in line with our percentage of the population we should be committing about 12% of the crimes or as the chart says about 840,000 crimes instead of over 2.4 million. Those are the facts not the tit.

I can at least say we agree about the single family problem but the solution has to be a new emphasis on the black nuclear family. My father was out of work for about two years when I was small he could have left and we could have gotten welfare but he did odd jobs and my mother baby sat and did other odd jobs to keep the family together. The problem is that most of us think that this is below us but one thing my father could always do was hold his head high because he kept us together and made a life that was a springboard for all of his children. Hard work doesn't have to last a life time but if you don't work hard the regret will.

I would like to see your evidence for the statement "the culture royalblkrose put at the feet of the poor exist even more so in those who have achieved greater levels of success." If this were true it would not be news when the economically successful are caught in crimes. The poor commit so many crimes that it rarely makes the news. If we had all the crimes that the poor committed broadcast we could never mention them all in a 24 hour period. The reason I said that most of these ethically challenged professionals are "progressives" is because when over 90% of blacks vote for the Democrats and most of the black elected officials are Democrats it is only logical to infer that these professionals are Democrats.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - You do start with a tit. Your original statement was that blacks commit MORE crimes, now you adjust it to they commit a higher ratio of crimes. A higher ratio that has more to do with socioeconomic factors than racial factors. So where does race play into the numbers? See incarceration rates. If there was no racial bias wouldn't the numbers remain consistent when it comes to arrest and incarceration and before you give me poverty as the reason blacks go to prison at a higher rate, most whites who commit crimes are also poor.

Have to run but I will answer your second question later.


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royalblkrose 5 years ago from florida

to answer the question about "what is tit for tat" in this hub and its' responses... well, it's like this... for ever example of what is good that is given the author immediately has to respond with a negative- when a negative is posted the author has to immediately respond with a positive- as if the points made by the other posters weren't relevant. Can't have it both ways... black people are a group, and individuals, white people are a group and individuals... can't have one without the other... the problem I see and experience A LOT in the black community is we don't want to accept one another as individuals unless we're doing the same kinds of things.... whether for good or ill.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

RightBlack - The cultural comparison is a simple one. Greed, selfishness, and ruthlessness. Character traits born in slavery, passed down in our culture and justified by the American way. There is no difference between a thug who shoots an innocent child and a black doctor who refuses to treat it because it has no insurance. The child dies either way.

My work in academics have led me down a round filled with PhD's who latch onto the money intended to address the 24% poverty rate in the black community as a method of financing their personal lifestyles. Creating black oriented programs that cost little but command tremendous amounts of funding. They run with the elite, live in million dollar homes, and demand the respect of the black community. In reality they are nothing more than leaches sucking the blood out of the black community for their our gain. Now, before you respond with political affiliations, one of the biggest players in this game is also a large contributor to the Republican party. How many black lives are lost to afford their lifestyles? How many black men would not be in prison if they help intended to open their eyes had reached them before the streets?

This is not unique to blacks in academics for blacks learned the bait and switch of academic funding from whites.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - One would expect opposite responses when they enter a conversation challenging the thought process of the author. I thought processes come from different teachings and I simply reject that which you hold to be true. This is not tit for tat, it is a different belief system.

Like most blacks who have reached any level of success in the lives, you portray yourself as the exception rather than the rule. News flash, you are not the exception, you are the rule. What you call black culture is actually the exception, but you have been trained to see the truth in reverse. It is this reverse vision that will always have us in conflict.


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royalblkrose 5 years ago from florida

I would like to point out that no one fits into the bell curve of society- NO ONE- we like to pretend that we do, but we don't. Either accept there are ills in our cultural thought process in which what is socially accepted(even in tribal cultures) is wrong, and must be worked on and not applauded, or give it a rest!


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

royalblkrose - No where in anything I have written do I take a stand of supporting a blameless society. Please point to my statement applauding the thug culture or thug life. I think in your attempt to defend the one sided blame game that is common in black guilt you have completely lost sight of the conversation and the hub.


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Right Black 5 years ago from Huntington Beach, California

SOBF, of course blacks do not commit as many crimes numerically. If this were true then every single black would have to commit and be convicted of 1.5 crimes. We only make up 12% of the population, therefore, it is only elementary logic that we must deal with the percentages. Choices are not socioeconomic, choices come from character. As I said before my father had the same hard choices that many others had, he chose to be honest and work hard and keep his family together. Other blacks could make the same choice as my father did. I would argue that bad character is one of the traits that contributes to life long poverty. It is not the only trait but it is one of the traits that we as a community need to address.

This leads to a point which I mostly agree with you. The character traits of greed, selfishness and ruthlessness know no party but they are common to all men even the African who caught his African brother and sold him into slavery before the United States even existed. I also never argue that Republicans don't have corrupt members in the party but look at the statement you made, "one of the biggest players," how many are Democrats?


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black again you have misunderstood or ignored what I've said. By percentage blacks should make up only 27% of those incarcerated while whites should make up 61%. These are percentages not numbers skewed by population. Now if you consider that the poverty rate amongst blacks is 3 times that of whites the 27/61 percent difference is in line with the population from a socioeconomic view.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Right Black - on the slavery issue. You confuse what transpired in Africa, Europe, and the Middle East with what transpired in the United States. The two while connected should never be compared as similar. Africans did trade slaves (mainly indentured servants and prisoners of war) on the open market. However, no African nation/government participated in the practice. It was done on a tribal level and the victims were initially enemy or one indebted. Even these people were treated with some form of human dignity.

You fail to understand that because Africans did not see race or color they did not consider their acts as actions against themselves. They were against another people (tribe). There was no black brotherhood or even black people, race never played a role in African culture until it was put on them by Europeans.


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N.E. Wright 5 years ago from Bronx, NY

Wow, SOBF, this was really great!!!

It reminded me of why I stopped watching the Cosby Show ... Bill Cosby proformed at Sun City South Africa.

Like most youth I convinced my parents to stop watching his show to my younger sister's annoyance. Bill also promoted Coke who had holdings in South Africa.

I loved Cosby's speech, but no one has any real answers. He should, but he does not. He gives money though, but to higher learning only as far as I know.

I never heard of him giving to community centers. That is also where you can help a lot. I grew up in the Projects, before we moved into our house when I was twelve years old. That community center taught kids how to play pool, checkers, cook, took us on field trip, gave gifts to kids at Christmas time, I went to a baseball game, play, and circus for the first time because of these centers. Some of the workers corrected us on calling each other the "N" word.

I know most people think this stuff is a waste of money, but I am not a waste. My siblings are not either.

Investing in communtiy centers to make them better is a wise thing to do in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

N.E. Wright - Thanks for reading, going back to the basics is a big part of the answer.


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

I just stumbled upon this hub today and absolutely felt the need to comment.

You see, this makes no sense at all. You can’t try to negate the progress of the Black community by stating that those who helped push it forward were actually working towards its demise!! Do you not believe that there was always – and still is – an agenda to attain progress, by route of education, public speaking, media, etc? The Cosby Show, for example, sent a powerful message to the White community that Black people, if provided the same opportunities as White individuals in the US, can be just as capable, successful and “American” as anyone else. Most White people, up until a few decades ago, believed that Black (and Hispanic) people would never really be capable of fully “assimilating” into the US or American culture – even though Black people have significantly contributed to whatever the “US or American culture” is today. In the same regard, since Black people need to be the sounding board for ethics and morality in this county, it is imperative that Black people set the example.

If Bill Cosby decided to openly discuss the afflictions of the Black community in public, being necessary as that was, it is indeed within this same agenda. Black people must continually set an example or they will lose their credibility, their value, their power and, therefore, their rights within the US. Some Black people have no idea, due to conflicts from either within their home or family life, that many of their public behaviors are intolerable and destructive – such as public display of blatant misogyny and violence within music, inappropriate dressing (ie. pants hanging), lack of interest in school or education, lack of interest in quality careers and occupations, poor language, high community violence and crime rates, among others. Many of these are purely by choice. It is not the case that just because an individual is Black and possibly facing considerable oppression in this country, he/she has the right to "act out" irresponsibly. ALL individuals must be equally held accountable for their right and wrong actions - Black people included. It is not a matter of “Black Guilt”, but of preserving the confidence, pride and integrity of the Black community which once brought an end to slavery and segregation. Only then can Black people truly be able to set the stage for White people to act responsibly as well.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Miss Info, welcome to my hub. Your comment is eloquently stated and factual. Now can you draw for me the connection between your argument and my hub as there is nothing in my hub that argues on behalf of irresponsibility. As a matter of fact I suggest that all of the Cosby supporters hold him accountable for his misogynist behavior.

I must correct you on one misconception, nationalism not assimilation drove the advancements within the black community.


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

I believe, SOBF, that almost all of your other commenters has done a great job of "draw[ing] a connection". There is a bit of miscommunication thoughout your hub. Readers seem to be perceiving the exact opposite of what you are claiming to have intended to mean or relay.

Anyway, for the record, I never stated or indicated that "assimilation drove the advancements within the black community". I simply noted that, historically, White people did not deem assimilation possible by Black (or Hispanic) people.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Miss Info - I agree most of the comments have taken the true meaning of the hub which states that assimilation (the act of relinquishing all customs, religions, and beliefs in order to become part of the majority) has encouraged a level of self hate within those who most prosper from the act and confused that with all black people who have prospered are sell outs.

My argument is simply that assimilation is detrimental to the African descendent population in this country and that integration (the act of melding cultures, beliefs, and religions into one community) would better serve our community. Assimilation in itself requires a denial of self in order to accept another, a fact that has encouraged many Blacks to reject the realities of life in the Black community and take on a white perspective that normally manifest itself in the common blame the victim mentality.

Fact: A survey taken in 1967 showed that 76% of White Americans believed that Blacks were treated fairly in their community. This mentality has been cultivated and expanded as part of our assimilation process. Like the Whites of 1967 these people refuse to acknowledge the disparities faced by Blacks in just about every segment of society, disparities based in racism not some moral or social breakdown in the black community.

http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/specialReports/sr0107...


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Miss Info 5 years ago from New York City

It is uncertain why you are persistent in arguing about assimilation at all, as I am not arguing with you on that topic - never was.

My point was, and remains to be, that public, vocal intolerance of anyone's bad behavior is absolutely necessary within the US.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

Miss Info - I don't argue against the public, vocal intolerance of bad behavior. I do have a problem with the inaccurate depiction of the black community in order to sale books or appease others. Cosby said nothing that had not been said previously. The Nation of Islam has preached personal accountability in the black community for decades. Ministers and community activist have also done the same. However, the level of hypocrisy and ignorance offered in Cosby's rants made them counterproductive and useless. The problem was not the message as much as it was the messenger to most of us who see him William H.Cosby Jr PhD opposed to Dr Huckstable. The only satisfaction gained by his approach was gained by those who push stereotypical views (Black and White) and Bill Cosby.


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gmwilliams 5 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

This is a good hub; however, I agree with Dr. Cosby regarding certain elements of irresponsibility within the Black American community. There are Black Americans, particularly the uneducated underclass, who blames White society for their ills instead of looking inward to the issue of their own malaise. Black Americans must stop adopting the victim mentality and start to become more proactive in their attitude and thinking.


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SOBF 5 years ago from New York, NY Author

gmwilliams - I have always been confused by the claim that blacks, particularly black males are under some cryptic mental state labeled a victim mentality. The so called victim mentality is nothing more than a fictitious label used to justify the devaluing of a race of people. I guess you would suggest that the young men who were placed into prisons in New Jersey (Black and Hispanic) to earn a Judge commission payments from the privatized prison was just a figment of their imagination. After all a truancy should be punished by hard labor. Maybe if they had tried a little harder the Judge who was sentenced to 28 years in prison himself would have rejected the cash for minority bodies arrangement. We all know there are no victims in this society, just bad boys.


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Xenonlit 4 years ago

We have nothing but pressure to dog ourselves, figure out what is wrong with ourselves and to improve ourselves, even when we are just fine.

I stopped having Black guilt 24 years ago! Great concept and great article!


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY Author

Xenonlit - thanks for the comment and for following.


CS Moss 4 years ago

You dont see blacks in rural laid back working class areas neighborhoods & lifestyles. They riddle areas such as cities and beaches and places to hide behind free human resources college funds big metroplotain $ jobs and social advantages of those types of societies. All so they can get all they DEMAND free and still blame as a whole whites, for there will isn't to change its to abuse every advantage and oppurtunity they only think they deserve just by being on earth. They act as if even God owes them something extra claiming SOUL when weve made them quit eating people put on clothing treat wemon and each other with social respect & actually taught them what we know of God. I ask how dare they not have respect for EVERYONE LIKE ONLY IN A PROTEST THEY ACT LIKE THEY DO WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE RACE BREEDS TEACHES ITS OWN SICKNESS TO THERE VERY OWN KIDS! Weve all been opressed faced war and EVOLVED it even has the audacity to claim that! From media to OBAMA get the afro out of your eyes of wolves in sheeps clothing reversing every good thing weve all come to agree on or change wih a slap in the face for its back biting predator type respect. One simple last thought: there true nature look at, Africa & Haiti waiting for the worlds help all the time! BRATBABYRACE! PREDATORS!


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SOBF 4 years ago from New York, NY Author

CS Moss - Your ramble says it all. Thanks for sharing.


B-Dawg 4 years ago

Why is it whenever a black man criticizes other blacks it is considered black guilt. White people talk about white tash and nobody says white guilt. We needs more blacks that got some balls to tell these scrubs to pull there pants up and stop making other black people look bad. If there were more people like Bill Cosby in the black race we would be better off. Black people talk smack when a white person screws up but if it is a black person they don't say jack. White people if you want to get the black man off your back just paint your skin black and live as a black man. Black skin on your back will keep the black man of your back that is the word from the inside peace.


B-Dawg 4 years ago

Bill Cosby does not have black guilt. He was just keepin it real. I beleive that the truth will truly set the black community free. I can't beleive the white man has not tried to get a race change yet. White people are gonna be hated for slavery as long as their skin is white. If the white man dyed his skin black he would be off the hook. I used to get angry when I was a kid. I asked my mom why did you choose a black man to make me with being white is a priveldege. And she said no its not you wanna be hated for something you had nothing to with? I realize now that I was spared a lot of BS by having pigmentaion in my skin. I am trying to enlighten the white man and tell him that Black Skin CAN and WILL protect him. The RACE CHANGE MOVEMENT IS COMING baby boy! Thats the real from the inside peace.


B-Dawg 3 years ago

SOBF-Why you keep erasing my messages. I am still going to promote the race change in the white community. I am still gonna tell the white man how black skin can and will help him moving forward. Black skin is a shield and I feel everyone deserves equal access to it. Pigmentation would do the white man good. It is the answer to all his problems. My black a$$ gonna get rich off this. Bringing pigmentation into the white community. Black skin will get you all the hunnies baby boy. Peace.


Black Guilt 3 years ago

What would protect the white man from the race card?

a. other white people

b. black people

c. The police

d. Black skin

The correct answer is d.

Commercial- Are you tired of getting hit with the race card. Well now you can get protection. Black Skin. Just take 1 melanin pill a day and you will be protected from the race card. Do you want your kids to be protected? Make sure you have sex with a black partner 9 months b4 having any children.

Race change CD-

1. Darkin up Darkin up

2. Does getting a race change ever cross the white mans mind-Brian McKnight

3. Chocolate man I got to be a chocolate man- Village People

4. Black skin "will be there" to protect you-Mariah Carey

5. In my head I see pigmentation all over whitey- Jason Derulo

6. "If I ever" have a son I will make sure that his skin is black just like yours-Shai

Make no mistake about it SOBF pigmentation is going to be available for the white man. The white has a bright and colorful future ahead of him if he does the right thing and gets a race change. Peace


Black Guilt 3 years ago

AND IF I EVER, EVER HAD A SON SO TRUE I WILL MAKE SURE THAT HIS SKIN IS BLACK JUST LIKE YOURS! SHAI 1992


Black Guilt 3 years ago

The cops could get more black thugs off the streets if they were disguised as black men. How are the police suppesed to do their jobs when they constantly got to deal with the race card. Darkin up police darkin up! Black skin is the answer to all the white mans problems!


Black guilt 3 years ago

SOBF - What if I turned you into a white man. Than what?


Black Guilt 3 years ago

I think every time a black thug commits a crime they should just turn him into a white man. That woud teach em a lesson. That would be a good way to keep blacks from using that filthy "N" word. Turn them into a white man. They would learn real quick not to be trippin the way they be trippin son.


Black Guilt 3 years ago

Race Change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No White babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Under my system!!! Under my play Call!!!!! Darkin up son!


BG 3 years ago

Getting a race change favors the white man not getting a race change favors the black man. All the white boys gonna get race change none dem white boys gonna make white babies. I am a baby from the RCM

TRANSRACIAL CREW BABY BOY


CJ 3 years ago

I don't think most interacial relationships are based on black guilt. White women are portrayed by the media as princesses and they promote black man white woman relationships.


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SOBF 3 years ago from New York, NY Author

B-Dawg sorry that you became a little frustrated with the probability that your comments may have been deleted. I don't delete comments, but I do have a busy life that has kept me away from hubpages.

Now that I have had the opportunity to moderate your comments, allow me to respond. First you are confused if you think that blacks have a problem with those that call out other blacks. This has been done by some of the most honored leaders in our history. The difference was that they had the balls to address the entire picture, not just the part that pleases the white population in this country. Malcolm X consistently criticized the black community. Martin Luther King also criticized the black community.

The problem with your way of thinking is that you believe that taking a situation out of context is ok as long as what you are saying is true.


B-Dawg 3 years ago

SOBF,

My bad bra, I was just goofing off jacked up on my 5 hour energy. I didn't know for sure what happened to messages.

But on the real I am trying to hype up bringing pigmentation into the white community. When I look at black skin I see so much more than many people see. I look at black skin as protection as a shield. I pay attention very closely to race. I honestly think black skin would be good protection for a white nerd. I think many white males would be surprised how many fine women it can attract.

I am just saying I feel guilty because I know there are whites who are innocent bystanders in this whole race issue. Many fought against slavery and racism. I think people should not be so quick to call people racist.

I don't think Mr. Cosby has black guilt I think he was trying to give blacks tough love. It worked in the movies lean on me and Coach Carter which are true stories.

Peace.


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SOBF 3 years ago from New York, NY Author

B-Dawg,

The differences in our personal makeup that has been defined as racial identity is not the problem. Our differences are not really of issue in nothing that I have authored. The level of melanin one has is irrelevant to human character. Please understand that while race is something I blog about, it is rare that my subject titles involve Whites. While I discuss the role of racism as a driving force behind the pause is black economic growth, I am more critical of blacks who are afraid to stand against such racism. SOBF is a calling for action and critical thinking by the black race about the role they play in advocating their own self destruction. With that said, I'm not sure how your comments have anything to do with this blog or on a greater level any of my writings.

Deuces,


big daddy oreo 20 months ago

I hear they may have some white bosses, teachers and even policemen go undercover as black so they can motivate troubled black youth.


brian 20 months ago

Black skin make the average man look stronger!


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Cgenaea 18 months ago from Illinois

Very nice hub, SOBF!!! The idea that dark skin is viewed as a huge minus in this country is the reason we have so many Blacks who try hard to "fit in" mainstream. It has ALWAYS been this way. You get big props for agreeing that your people are mostly wretched and pathologically pathetic. "They" like that, and they pay handsomely. They put you on TV to tell the masses that even "you" see what they see!!! and give you honorary titles for all your hard "work" ;)

It's a well-established practice that perpetuates the demeaning attitudes toward they who fit the darky (educated, rich, assimilated or no) category. We all surely may attest to the fact that although Blacks have been proven to be no less competent in any area, they're still just black...

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