Being "censored" on Hubpages

My response to those who do "not like my tone".

     This “post” is dedicated to Mr. “Tobey100” and Mr. “Ru Blog”. Both are members of Hubpages and seem to be eager in posting their views and opinions on this site yet, they do not allow others’ opinions to show if they are different than those of their own. I call this censorship; I believe it is. If I seem(ed) annoyed or upset, it’s true. I lived in a country with a dictatorial communist regime; I do not like when others try to “shut me up”. I do not agree with censorship of any kind or form and I will always confront those who support it!

     I promised Mr. Tobey100 that I would be writing this a few months ago (I keep my promises) and since Mr. “Ru Blog” has also joined the ranks of those who do not allow comments contradicting their own, this seemed like a good time for my response. I shall start with the comments I had made regarding capitalism on one of Mr. Tobey’s posts many months ago then I shall focus on Mr. “Ru Blog’s” “blog” titled `Cold War babies and the Middle East` and with my comments which were not accepted/allowed. At last I will post an email I received not long ago from Mr. `Ru Blog`.

     Thus, to begin with, my main problem with capitalism and profit is the issue of ‘greed’. In the world in which we live there is a limited amount of resources. There is only an “x” amount of potable water, there are only an “x” number of trees and there is only so much land available as this planet has “given” us. In the capitalistic mind state though, one should be able to acquire as much wealth as one can. “If you are smart enough to make trillions of dollars, why not”, would argue a conservative mind.

     Well, if let us say the top one hundred billionaires/millionaires decided that they would put their money together and buy all the land around lakes and any other bodies of fresh water in this world and that they would not allow anyone else to have fresh water … what would happen then? They could turn around and charge one hundred dollars per cup of water; who can stop them?

     Our resources from which we live are limited on this planet. This is what most capitalist “think-tanks” seem to ignore. Therefore, if there is a limited amount of resources of which we all need to survive, there must be a limited amount of resources for each person. No one person should be allowed to own a continent while the rest of the world is cramped together. Capitalism is turning out to be like a monarchical system: a few at the “top” get all the “cheese” while the majority at the “bottom” could be (and some really are) living underneath the I10 in New Orleans (Interstate 10). The middle class is slowly disappearing. Nice system …

     This argument is quite simple and I have no idea why Mr. Tobey did not find it acceptable to show as a comment. If I had used derogatory terms or if I had insulted anyone I would maybe agree to ban my comments (not even then though, that is why we praise freedom of speech – or so I thought).

     Turning to Mr. `Ru Blog’s` post, `Cold War Babies and the Middle East`, I must say once again that I did not use any foul language, I do not believe I was rude in any way or that I insulted anyone in specific with my comments. Yet, my opinion was not allowed to be expressed.

     Both I and Mr. `Ru Blog` seem to agree that the Shah of Iran, propped up by the United States, was a corrupt despot who more or less bankrupted that nation, sold its natural resources for personal profit and so on. `To not respect the struggle became America`s biggest mistake in dealing with the Middle East` wrote Mr. `Ru Blog` and I agree again. America should stay out of other countries’ business. In the seventh paragraph though, Iran is vilified to an extreme point I think (`Iran today is one of the biggest dangers to world peace`). I thought we had just agreed that we have to “respect” the internal struggles of independent countries?

     It was the above statement that I have a problem with and that is when I made my first comments by saying that the crazy Kim Jong-il is certainly more of a threat to world peace than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I also perceive Israel, who already like North Korea has nuclear weapons and is disregarding the international community who is urging it to stop building settlements on occupied land and/or stop its blockade on the people of Gaza, to be an enormous threat to peace in the Middle East and actually, to the entire world. Even the United States’ foreign policy can be blamed more for the chaos in the world today than petty Iran. Picking on one single nation with a delinquent president did not seem fair to me.

     So, these were my comments, (more or less) that seemed so outrageous to Mr. `Ru Blog` that he chose to censor them. I then posted a comment telling him that he is `weak` and perhaps afraid of the truth. That prompted him to send me the following email:

     `rufus mackin (rublog07@gmail.com) ru blog on HubPages
has sent you this message.

   For a name such as "happy," you sure seem angry. Maybe if you spent more time investigating history for yourself, others' opinions wouldn't affect you so. You said on you profile you are a news junkie, maybe books would serve you well for a while. And maybe books that don't always fall in line with your personal ideology.

   I would allow your comment if they were based on fact rather than your personal ideology, which is obviously anti American. Blame America first people do not interest me. I am aware of America's faults, wrong doings, and missteps. However, It took a whole civilized world to make things as messy as they are. I choose to incorporate the entirety of historical situations. There is enough blame to go around. Moreover, if you really understood my article it would have occurred to you that i blame short sighted American policy for extremism in Iran today. I really do not see a way anyone can argue that point.

   Any way, i simply did not like the tone of your comments. Hence my disallowance. Why does it matter to you so? Write your own blog blaming America for the World's problems if you feel stifled. Other than a response to this message if you deem it necessary, please do not contact me again. Calling people weak is no way to go through life. Be strong for yourself not by trying to bully others.

     Yes, I am quite disappointed with this email. History was my minor in university so I have read a decent amount of history books in my opinion and still am reading scholarly works relating to historical events. I see nowhere in my profile where it says I am a `news junkie` … I do watch BBC, CBC and CNN though, to try to get some different `angles` on news stories since I am interested in “propaganda” (in general). I do not see how that could be detrimental though.

     My comments were based on facts … Israel is continuing its indiscriminate building of settlements on occupied territories: that is a fact! The blockade on Gaza continues in a most outrageous manner- also a fact!. This in turn becomes another reason for extreme groups in the Middle East to launch rockets and kill innocent Israeli civilians and so on … the conflict escalates. In respect to Kim Jong-il, he is a complete lunatic with access to nuclear weapons (is that not a fact?) and I think he is more dangerous than Ahmadinejad who is just a “show-off” with a big mouth.

     The garbage about me being anti-American is just that: garbage. I have nothing against Americans … why is it that if I call for a boycott of Wal-Mart for example I am automatically labelled as anti-American. If I say that the embargo/blockade imposed on the citizens of Gaza is wrong, am I an anti-Semite? No … logic does not flow that way. I disagree with policies, governments, specific people … not entire nations and/or ethnic groups.

     My tone was not appreciated? Ohh, well … ask me if I care? What I do care about is being censored; that I cannot allow. Calling someone “weak” is no way to go through life? I am doing quite well, thank you … and why not, if it is true?

     If one decides to be part of a web site where controversial topics are being discussed, one should not be surprised of others who do not agree with their own point of view and as that saying goes: “If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen” (I think it’s somewhere along those lines …).

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Comments 27 comments

kims3003 6 years ago

I'm with you on this. Well done and I commend you for doing this. I like the fact that you said something about it and did so in a fabulous way. You really get your point across, did not shy away from supplying names and did it like it should be done! A++!


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lmmartin 6 years ago from Alberta and Florida

Hi Mr. Happy -- I agree with you completely. Yes, there have been times I have denied a comment, but not due to the ideas expressed but for lack of respect. All points of view should be welcomed. On the other hand, each writer is in control of his/her site and therefore free to accept or deny a comment, no matter how we may feel about it.

So there you have it. You are free to say whatever you please. Someone else is free to accept it or not.


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Thank you Kims for your comment. There are times when the gloves have to come off ... for whatever reason, even then though, I try to stay within "reason". Even Mr. Happy gets aggravated at times lol.

Mrs. Martin, your wise words I greatly appreciate - always. Thank you.


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Dave Ward 6 years ago from Goldenrod Plains

I deny comments when the tone is angry or insulting. I think that is just keeping things civil. So if someone insults another person, insults their beliefs, or demeans something others hold dear then I deny the comment. Comments that are calm or simply based on data should always be allowed to stand.


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Thanks for the comments Mr. Dave. I encourage people to "insult my beliefs"! I like people who make me feel uncomfortable, people who make me think and reconsider my thoughts ... that is one reason I think religion is bad for people (this is in regards to your blog about "death" and "religion") - it does not allow questioning, it is afraid of anyone "insulting its beliefs" ... now we're getting into something else though lol ...


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Petra Vlah 6 years ago from Los Angeles

Hello Happy,

Mr. Ru did not delite my coment (contradicting his point) in regards to illegal immigrants, but never answer it either. See if I care...


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ru blog 6 years ago from Anchorage, Alaska

It is not censorship if i cannot prohibit you from speaking out. You have your own blog and your own forum.

And upon your point of "respecting internal struggles." I would say the struggle in Iran is not what i disrespect. I disrespect the extremism represented by the current regime, made possible by our lacking courage there in the first place. Again, you have your own forum and your own opinion, use them instead of telling others to omit things from theirs. Good day.


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Thanks for the comments everyone! If it were not for "comments" people write this website would not be worth much in my opinion. Hence I disagree with people deleting other people's comments. Let's keep discussions opened and not be afraid of criticism. Thanks again.


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SaiKit 6 years ago from Toronto

Hi Mr Happy,

On capitalism

The biggest resource that the earth has is people. Each person has the potential to bring super solutions to the world that solve problems. Such as the steam machines, the new farming technologies in the last few hundreds years that allow population explosion, and other stuff that "enlarge" the resource by many folds.

This is what capitalism is about. The more hard working and more risk taking and more resourceful a person is, the more he should be entrusted with more resources. Your analogy of rich people hoarding precious resource wouldn't come true unless it's backed by governments, such as socialism and communism and dictatorship, which seems to be the trends for North America.

Many big businesses try to protect their business by sending lobbyists to the government to negotiate for regulations that seems to regulate their industries, but is in fact prohibiting new competitions from breaking through the barriers, because more regulations would stop small business from making a profit.

Socialism, the alternative to capitalism, will enlarge the governments by many folds, thus allowing governments to hoard the resources and allocate them to people that they deem worthy. This is very dangerous.

For capitalism, entrepreneurs always find ways to create real jobs and meet real demands in the market. There is no point for them to hoard resource, and it can't be done because there are many competitions. As long as the government is not corrupt and maintain liberty, big businesses cannot hoard resource.

But today many new breakthroughs are being stopped because big businesses are stopping them by manipulating the governments. (For example, the new fuels alternative to gasoline, organic food vs genetic engineered food, etc big businesses wouldn't allow new fuels and organic food to compete with them so they fund lobbyists to argue against them and pressure the government to regulate them) Such problems only exist in a socialistic governments where there are many regulations, lobbyists, and etc.

And big government is more likely to lead to dictatorship than small government, don't you think?

Also true capitalism is free market, which any individual and small business is free to enter to compete with the big guys.

Socialism is pro-big business and big government. So your "limit resource" analogy is more applicable to socialism, which truly hoard resources and allocate to unproductive or incompetent people and businesses, thus creating economic problems and waste of resources.

Sai Kit


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Mr. Happy 6 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Mr. Sai, I think my analogy is just fine. Capitalism in theory allows making the most amount of profit with the least amount of risk. If one person (or a few people) can get to own (for example) all the potable water in the world then, they can make the most amount of money. Why not do it?

I most certainly agree with you that lobbyists influence politicians to make/change laws for their own benefit ... lobbying is a legal form of bribery for the wealthy.

There is no such thing as a free market just as communism was never actually been put in practice, all we have seen were failed dictatorial states pretending to be communist.


Just a Peach 6 years ago

Just want to you know that I'm with you on this...Mr. Ru Blog has a tough time looking at anyone's point of view besides his own... Doesn't surprise me that he would refuse to post opposing arguments...Must be that BA in History!


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BobbiRant 6 years ago from New York

Excellent. Censorship has no place in America, or at least it shouldn't. Free country? Only if someone agrees with you? It's a slippery slope when we censor.


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Storytellersrus 6 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Mr. Happy, I am glad to see that you have an UNHappy side! So you are multi-dimensional, lol! The contradictions in people are what make them interesting-- and loveable in my humble opinion.

I found this entire discussion fascinating. In fact, I don't usually read all the comments because I am not that engaged in arguments, but censorship is one of my key issues- and why I could not vote for Sarah Palin, in fact.

I have been in situations where it is obvious that my opinion is not appreciated and I have kept my mouth shut and felt the fear of recrimination. I have also been in situations where I have been badgered by close friends to the point where the friendship ends, sadly. More lately, in fact.

I think the inability to respect disagreement comes from a need to be always right and that need comes from fear. Because if what I believe is not right, I might have to rethink my life.

Enough rambling... way to stand up for yourself when UnHappy!


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eovery 6 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Funny, I don't think any individual corporation could own all the water in the world. Governments, on the other hand may be make it more possible.

Also, there are regulations, such an monopoly rules in the US that keeps this from happening. The telephone company Ma Bell, about 30 years was broken up by the government.

And there was always the option that some other company could have tried to competed with the telephone company, but law suits could have broken the company before it could compete. Lawsuits are actually the biggist factors in control.

I will stand my chance in corporation before I will the governments. Government have tried and succeeded, for a while with total control. I have not seen a corporation yet be able to do this because of the competition.

Keep on hubbing!


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Sylvie Strong 6 years ago

I agree with your sentiments about censorship Mr. Happy. I experienced the same thing on Hubpages on the subject of the Arizona immigration law with another person. I do not wish to name names, but I left two lengthy and thoughtful comments on this hubpage that disagreed with the viewpoint expressed in the hub. In doing so, I feel that I actually made her hub better and could have served as a means for further facilitating a lively discussion on her hub. She did not approve the comments. The only comments she approves are meaningless 1-2 line comments that say things like "You said it, sister!" or "I agree with you," or "Toss the bums out!" And then she responds with 1-2 line comments like "Thanks for agreeing with me." We all use Hubpages as a forum to express our views but I think you should allow all comments so long as they are not insulting or demeaning. If someone takes the time to read your hub and leave a thoughtful comment, don't censor them. Reasonable minds may differ. When there is a serious risk that someone will not approve my comment, I have little incentive to take the time to write thoughtful and lengthy comments...over time this behavior will harm the hubpages community. So, in response to "RU Blog"'s comment above, I cannot disagree with him more. He claims it is not censorship because he lacks the power to prevent you from making your own hubpage. He is, however, doing everything in his power to silence your competing views on his own hubpages...and this is where they would be relevant because they are responding to his hub. I am not opining on your actual viewpoints, and do not necessarily agree with them. But I believe these acts of censorship were shameful.


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Storytellersrus 6 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Mr. Happy, this is the hub! You are right. You were not happy here and it was the first time I read you this way. I appreciate you.


Multiman 5 years ago

Great article pointing out problems with comments on hubs being denied for less than valid reasons at times.


Lea Williams 5 years ago

Again, I agree with you, I do apologize if I am too agreeable. lol. I know someone (I will not say who) that believes that "I acquired my wealth, I did it myself, and it's mine". I do not agree with this. No one does anything on their own, and we are all responsible for each other, though many of my fellow Americans (sadly) do not see this way. This leads to hardship of all sorts.

It is the same with the American health system. We have people denied a very basic right, that is, good health care, simply because they have limited resources. I think this is incredibly immoral.

But yes, about the limited resources thing... this is not ambiguous or hard to understand, there is a huge problem when a very small percentage of the population owns the majority of things. I myself believe there should be a balance. Yes, I believe I should be allowed to progress, but not at the expense of others. If we could all find that balance, the world would be a much better place. This is how I see it anyway. =)

I know I am not completely on topic here as this is about censorship but this is where the article spoke to me, on the matter of excess wealth and distribution.

Bright Blessings All!


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

If someone denies a comment I make on their hub then I respect their wishes but do not return. It is their loss and I certainly don't lose any sleep over them. You make some very strange choices and one of them is giving the meaningless so much importance.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Mr. Spirit Whisperer, for one that says that everything is equally meaningless, you seem to have a very concrete idea about what is important and what is meaningless. How does that work?


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

I can't recall having ever denied a comment. I'm not saying that somewhere in the hazy past I didn't just hit "deny," roll over, and go to sleep - but I don't recall it.

If someone denies one of mine - and I get around to noticing that - then I'm just done with being their reader and they will no longer get that tweet or that like that I always give to persons whose hubs I read. I can't prove it, but somewhere down the line I like t think that that hits them in the pocket.

I came THIS close to denying some comments from persons off site. . . but I think I've always let them stand too.

Hell, those people you're talking about, Mr. Happy, they must not have any confidence in whatever it is that they were trying to defend.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Hello Mr. Wesman, thanks for taking the time to read and comment. I have never denied any comment. I like the conversations whether they are on the agreeable side or not.

Being the non-conformist that I am ... many people cannot swallow my ideas or even dream of digesting them so, I often see comments of mine deleted. Ohh well ...

All the very best!


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

I'm sort of lucky - If I don't like you, then I tend to not take the time to see if anyone replied or not. I also probably spend too much time on facebook, and not enough time reading hubs.

I honestly sort of wish sometimes that more folks would tell my that I'm full of shit in comments. I must not be doing something right.


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

You are coming to conclusions about what I say based on your own beliefs. Where do I talk about what is important? In all my communication with you based on your original comment:

"So, I guess we are on the same page: everything is equally important or equally meaningless - nothing matters because everything matters (equally)."

I have been consistent in answering this original statement by you which I say does not describe accurately what I expressed in my hub "A Course in Miracles Lesson 6 to 10".


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quester.ltd 5 years ago

well stated

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Terry.Hirneisen 4 years ago from Shenandoah Valley

I think sometimes comments must be denied. For example, if I get some right wing fanatic that wants to discuss his view with great length and frequency I would deny it after the original rant. When I go to write a comment on a hub that is a few paragraphs in length, I will forget it if the author and one other person have endless dialog between each other that has long forgotten the point of the hub. Or the comment may be rude and non-related to the hub.

In reality I have never done this, but I can readily conceive situations where I would. I do believe in freedom of speech, but the comment should be a HUB if it in fact is longer than the hub.


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Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada Author

Thank You for stopping-by and leaving me a comment Mr. Hirneisen. I must say, that I have been lucky not to have to deal with any rude comments but I think I would let those be anyway. I have only ever deleted comments which are not comments and are advertisings ... I have gotten a few of those lately ...

All the best.

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