Beware Of Proposals Slung On The Table

Another One Coming In Under The Radar

I wonder how many people in this nation are really paying attention. Do you remember the now infamous Pelosi blurb about "we have to pass the bill so we can see what is in it?" Well, eventually we found out what was in it and are still finding out what is in it. 2,700+ pages of gobble-de-goop takes a while to slog through, more than 5 days on the internet I might add. This seems to be the Democratic party's modus operandi of late. Keep everything a secret until we can spring it on them and they won't have time to react properly. It's BS politics at its finest and we appear to be about to see it happen once again. Only this time it is about the budget, a very dire subject.

The slinger this time is Senator Kent Conrad and it goes something like this. He's about to release the Democratic version of a budget proposal. What's in it? No one but the Democrats in the Senate know. Whatever happened to this being the most transparent administration that would ever grace our presence? Why the secrecy? Paul Ryan was right up front with his proposal and spent many months crafting a sensible approach as a starting point. Word has it though that even the Senate Dems are squirmy as a worm about the contents.

You need to understand what a mark down to a bill is. That is the process on the floor where amendments and changes are offered to a bill. It's an important process in the stream of things and in most cases, but evidently not this one, the legislators have had a chance for themelves, and their staff, to read the bill before they have to vote on changes to it. Kind of like trying to hit something in the dark with blinders on to boot.

Why is this important? Looking at Obama's proposal, it was so full of various and assorted elixirs that it would make any Snake Oil Salesman proud and the Snake Oil Salesman-in-Chief went immediately on the stump touting how wise he was to have conjured up the option. The Congressional Budget Office, when it got its chance to actually review the proposal, shot it so full of holes it looked like a sieve. It turns out that his budget balances but all you have to do is exclude is any payments on the national debt and all the interest charges that go with it. His budget never balances and never will.

So along come the Senate Hop Along Idiots with something, again, no one has read and they want to throw it on the floor of the Senate. They just don't want anyone to have the chance to stomp the living tar out of it when it hits the floor huh? So here come the Senate Dem Saviors to save us once again from ourselves. Should you expect to see more gimmicks? Count on it my fellow tax paying Americans. No one will have had the necessary time to read the proposal and process what is there and that is not any way to pass any legislation in this nation.

It also turns out that the Senate Republicans sent a letter to Conrad about this and he ignored it. So they are firing off another letter to the wise sage. You can read that one at the link. Conrad must really want to become the fiscal savior of all saviors. Just don't ask him what is in his proposal. We're talking about a 14 trillion dollar plus budget deficit and this guy wants to play secret agent man with our money and future generations to come?

Second letter sent to Conrad reads as follows:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/files/2011/05/conradletter.pdf

I don't give a rat's behind what political party you belong to. If you think this is any way to run this nation and pass legislation you may be more of a head case that I ever expected. Oh yeah, the Senate version of "We have to pass this bill in order to see what's in it." And it's always so easy to spend other people's money now, isn't it Kent?


Getting Mad Yet My Fellow Americans?

2012 is fast approaching and the idiots in Washington DC are counting on you not to pay attention and exercise your selective memory if you have one. The alternative is to really start paying attention to what the hell is going on up there. This is all about them, their egos and very little about the welfare of this nation and the fiscal welfare of the American public.

And I leave you now with this:

"IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA TO SHOW YOU WEREN'T A RACIST THEN YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR A CONSERVATIVE NOW TO SHOW YOU AREN'T AN IDIOT!"

As Always,

The Frog Prince

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breakfastpop 5 years ago

Your parting words should be the GOP's marching song. Bravo and brilliant, Frog. Up, and awesome.


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dahoglund 5 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

If the schools are not teaching the constitution it is hard to know what will happen in the future.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

dahoglund - You hit the nail directly on the head.


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The Frog Princess 5 years ago from Florence area of the Great Pee Dee of South Carolina

What will the future of America really be....no flags, no prayer, only taxes, and BS. We must slow this crazy DC clan down. Its a must. Why destroy what are forefathers built for us so proudly they stood.


Harvey Stelman 5 years ago

Froggy, A big up! Only it's the same old story. Let's face it, we aren't as smart as we thought we were. History (if told correctly) will prove what I said. H


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Up, useful, and awesome Frog. Unfortunatly it made me lose my breakfast. Good job my green friend.

jim


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Froggy, bang the drum slowly so the idiots that voted for reasons other than qualifications get the message that if history of 2008 is repeated come Inauguration Day 2013 at the end of the formalities, 21 Buglers should be brought out and in unison play taps as the death of a Republic will be at the hand of a golfer, hoop shooter, and television, teleprompter reading, speech maker among other things, leader is not any of those things. He is a crotch saluting puppet of the filthy rich hell bent on a one world regime, given 4 more years with no worries of being impeached. He has partaken in actions that should have been brought forth and handled, one being attempted bribery of candidates to forfeit their bid for senate seats, and his involvement in the Chicago mob sale of Blogobitches seat. It all leads me to the belief that he could do any crime and Holder nor congress would get involved, yet they spent millions on Clinton's preferred method of keeping his cigars moist, FLMAO,50


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

50 Cal - 4 more years of Obama and this train wreck we are experiencing will take the US of A off the cliff. I just signed a petition to Congress yesterday that calls for his impeachment. The laundry list of offenses had about a dozen things listed. This is getting to be surreal.

The Frog


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b. Malin 5 years ago

Good one Froggy, and if I didn't vote for Obama does that make me SMARTER! Mmmm?

I think so!


Ghost32 5 years ago

What b. Malin said. We just shot our first Mojave green rattlesnake of the season on our property today. That's the bullet box. Now for the ballot box, to take out the reptile with the really REALLY deadliest venom, currently coiled in the Oval Office.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog, up and all buttons across. Great post. Stu


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL

While I have great disdain for anything to do with the Democratic Party, my disdain is only slightly less for the Republican Party. The old guard of Rockerfeller Republicans are still in control of that party. They have nothing more than contempt for the Tea Party and their "cut spending" initiatives. Boehner and Cantor talk the talk. But, when it comes time to walk the walk, they fall in line with the Republican partisan line of old that got them kicked out of office in 2006.

I really don't think either party is serious about cutting this deficit. That is my gut feeling on the whole issue. Republicans make proposals to cut spending. Yet, they back down to a $38 billion cut from $100 billion. Now we find out it is less than half a billion dollars in savings. That's like kicking kicking a nickel out of a stack of money equaling nearly $15 trillion dollars. The more things change in Washington D.C., the more they remain the same. Nothing less than a viable third party is going to change things. It is time for people to realize this.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

David, right on!! Most of the GOP are centrists. In 2012, we need to clean house. Stu


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

The whole of Congress are so incompetent! I'm sure wondering if the country will last even till 2012.


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Pamela99 5 years ago from United States

Incompetence surely does rain at the present time. And, no I did not vote for Obama nor would I ever. Great hub.


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

frogmeister,

There are those poor fools in the US that like the BAMster-they think his policies are actually working and they will vote for that fool again- regardless of the damage he does-He will continue to spit vomitous words out and call it gold- and the Left and most media outlets will lap it up like chocolate milk from heaven- It all makes me sick as hell

TH


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I like your quote. Here's another:

Voting for Obama because he's black is just as racist as not voting for Obama because he's black.


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cjv123 5 years ago from Michigan

I remember right here on Hubpages when a liberal, in the comments section, blasted me for daring to say the Dems didn't read the bill before they passed it. He actually said that I had lost all credibility for even implying that (I didn't imply, I said it because it was true). His comment ranted on and on about what a loser I was for thinking that they hadn't read it.

So my answer to him was a link to Pelosi's infamous (stupid, stupid) quote. How this woman still has her JOB is beyond me after that statement alone!

Anyway - I agree - on both sides of the isle they better shape the heck up, or last election's Tsunami is going to seem like a baby-pool wave...

We'll miss you here on the Hubs - but have a great vacation!

Carol


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Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

The two tier democratic system of the US. the House of reps and the senate has always baffled me. It seems to pit Congress against Senate, when infact they should be working together.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

The two houses of Congress were not meant to cooperate. They were meant to operate as checks and balances on power in order to protect the rights of the people.

God help us if they ever do cooperate! In fact, they have already 'cooperated' to the point that we are on the verge of becoming a government of the government, by the government, and for the government.


Stu From VT 5 years ago

CJ,

Actually, almost no Congressmen read the bill before they voted on it. The final bill was 2,700 pages long (including riders), and Congress was given only five days to review it. A major issue was that the bill was not self contained. There were legions of phrases like "In Article 45, Section 112 of Federal Code, change "and" to "or" and replace the second comma with a semi-colon." So to read the bill and understand it, you have to have the entire federal code on your work table and cross reference it as you read the HC bill. I read that 2-3 Congressmen actually did this with earlier versions of the HC bill, but there was obviously no time to do it in the final vote because Reid and Pelosi purposely provided too little time (i.e., if Congress actually read it, they might not vote for it).

Stu


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Dave,

Originally, Senators were chosen by state legislators. This was a decision the Founders made to ensure that states received representation in Congress. A later constitutional amendment took that representation away. This was really a very unethical bait-and-switch, as the original decision was made to entice states to join the union. Now you have 50 states that have to follow the federal government's edicts, but have no representation at all in Congress.

Stu


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Wayne Brown 5 years ago from Texas

If the budget don't fit, you must acquit...that's what I think! I have this quesy feeling that the Republicans are about to get waltzed around the floor on this one and end up raising the debt ceiling on the promise of compromise on the budget...which they won't get. One of these days the Republicans are going to have to figure out that they are not dealing with folks who have any ethics here...winning is all that matters...no matter how you do and no matter how much it hurts America...you still won...that's all anyone will remember. Maybe so, if there is anyone around lef to remember. WB


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Hi Wayne, good points, and I totally agree. This whole thing is circular: "You can raise the debt ceiling, but only if we agree to budget cuts." And then when it comes time for the cuts, they'll just make the same deal over again. It's just more kicking the can. The only deal with any credibility would be one that cuts spending and generates surpluses simultaneously. That way would really drive down the official debt.

Stu


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wayne - I was doing some thinking about the PAIN that is about to come and the denial that it will have to impact everyone in this nation. The time to begin is now. They've been doing this damned dance for too many decades. It's time to play our hand as the American tax payer.

The debt needs to be dealt with. They created it but it will now have to be on the backs of those who have always endeavored to do the right thing, male a decent living and live within our means.

We need to continue to clean out the rat's nest that has become our nemesis. From Obama on down.

The Frog


Stu From VT 5 years ago

Frog,

You can see why Congress is frozen like a deer stading in front of a speeding truck. To fix the problem requires vacating most federal social benefits, chopping half of federal government, and raising the tax base 50%. To not fix the problem means national ruin. Either way, Congress will take so much heat from voters and contributors they are paralyzed. Although I have some problems with term limits, they sure would come in handy here.

Stu


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

All,

I don't mean to gety all philisophical here but-have you ever seen the PIXAR movie "A BUGS LIFE"? The government is acting like the grasshoppers that come every year and take our stuff - we being the ants... and the Govt is the grasshoppers they come once a year to "officially take our goods".But eventually we the ants will lock arms and beat those grass-hoppers down to where they will- realize- "the ants make the money the ants use the money". bad grasshoppers bad grasshoppers...Hope I haven't gotten to technical for anyone.

TH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - I understood the tale then and still do now. Thanks.

The Frog


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tom hellert 5 years ago from home

- froggy,

i I thought being a frog-you might have been clouded by the whole multiple bug references.. ya know being a frog and all-you have shown quite a salient control of your emotions and millions of years of evolution, ya now all the bug referemces, well done Froggie- HA

tH


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tom - Back from vacation so here's the latest ramblings of The Frog. Take a read if you will.

http://hubpages.com/politics/Playing-On-Peoples-Fe

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