Repeal don't ask don't tell

Hysterical Polictics

Dumb ideas sometimes come in bunches
Dumb ideas sometimes come in bunches

Should don't ask, don't tell be repealed

I am a fan of Bill Clinton's. I think that he was probably the smartest president of our generation. However, for such a smart man, he really did do some dumb things. Take his affair with Monica Lewinsky for instance. How dumb can a decision be, right? One of his dumbest decisions, however, was not to repeal the ban on gays in the military. Instead, he started "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" which basically says that no one will ask you if you are having sex with another man and you should not tell anyone you are doing so, either.

Interesting idea, but it has failed miserably. In the 16 years since that rule was implemented, we have lost 13,000 military personnel. Now, I am a bit dyslexic and math is not my strong suit, but I do believe that a military that is fighting wars on two different fronts might be able to use 13,000 people.

Do not misunderstand me, I still get a little queasy when I see two men holding hands. I'm a little old fashioned. However, I work with gay people, I live around gay people and I have to tell you that I know a couple of my queer friends who I would rather go to war with than anyone. Most of us come into contact with gays on a daily basis and if they did not open their mouths about their sexual preferences, sometimes we would not even know. Still, we would deny them basic human rights.

I am not interested in what other people do in their bedrooms and the reason is that I do not want anyone in mine. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, thatthey are endowed by their Creatorwith certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powersin such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now, I do not know about you, but that is pretty self-explanatory. We are all humans and our forefathers fought for this country next to men who were gay. There were even some women in those groups who fought in the revolutionary war as men and after the war continued to live their lives as men. We need to get over our petty grievances and remember that we are all humans and all humans should be treated fairly.

"Don't ask don't tell'' was dumb idea from a very smart person. There is a lesson in there somewhere.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Don't ask don't tell was a really dumb idea from the start.


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Why do we have to know? Why would anyone want to pollute our society with this behavior? Good or not sexual preference is not for our children. This is a deviate lifestyle and it should stay in the closet. Peace.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

That's funny many years ago, just because you were African American you were considered a pollution on American society. This is a human rights issue and you have to ask yourself are gay people human?


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Dearest habueld, Race is something you're born with you had no choice. To persecute solely based on race is a sin and a crime. But if you're a jerk and you happen to be black that is not nearly the same. To say I'm persecuted because I'm black forget that I'm a jerk. This would be a lame attempt to blame the world for your problems.

Gays on the other hand have made a choice to act on their perverse feelings. They've chosen to be what they are and they want society to give them a stamp of approval. No once chose this path you had two choices, first you could associate with others who feel like you and act on your disturbed behavior. The second option is to realize what you want is wrong Biblically and to the majority of society so to remain celibate is your only option.

Now I speak for myself but I know others feel the same way, If you can show me a direct referance in the Bible that condones this behavior then we do need to rethink our position. You know as well as I do its not there.

Gays are people and they have alot to offer our society, however; they need to control the radical element in their ranks. They need to keep sex and living arrangements out of our schools. They need to keep adult things adult and be willing to compromise. Pursue a civil union law vs degrading marriage down to an offensive issue that will only cause confrontations.

We don't want to have to live with their baggage, and they have a fair share. They are people and they are human but why do we have to know what they do sexually? Peace.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Sneako,

What about hermaphrodites? Or people who are intersex? Are they fine too? There have always been gay people. They are human and they deserve rights.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Sneako,

Should we control that radical element of heterosexuals who have sex with anything anywhere?

bgb


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Dear sweet habueld, I'm surprised you would be so sensitive towards the fringe but insult our wives and mothers! I don't think having sex with your wife is the same as having sex with anything anywhere! According to the gay coalition that makes me a bigot! Boy, if I'm a bigot , I can't imagine what they think of you talking bad about their mothers!

Well concerning rights I've never stood against them having the same rights as everyone else, to include civil unions. The issue is about the word marriage and its meaning and if it even applies to gay couples! I feel the push to marry gays is to tell married couples that they have no respect for what we hold sacred. So in plain English that would translate as a slap in the face to Christians. Which in my book that shows a lack of tolerance towards the religious community, or as its been explained to me, its bigoted behavior.

My church holds that we are obligated to obey are government, give Caesar what is Caesar's. If they say there will be gay marriage, we'll be hurt but we will obey. As in the prop 8 decision the gay community demonstrated their absolute disregard for law. Lets see on one side we have religious , law abiding, families and on the other we have sexually confused individuals who want to play with each other. Now lets choose the group that bests represents normal. If its a tough choice for you forget it because you will only rationalize an answer, not the truth.

Now I could get behind the hermaphrodites and support their right to marry themselves if we pass a gay marriage law, I mean what the hell we might as well clone Caligula and make him speaker of the house. I don't know what intersex is, but if its in this conversation its probably not good. Let me say if it smells anything like Marilyn Manson I probably wouldn't go for it.

Nice talking to you, odd, but nice. Peace.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

Again, these are all humans. Hermaphrodites or intersex people are people who are BORN with both male and female genitalia. They don't choose their sexual genitalia. They are born with it. You know that right? You also realize that Jesus never judged sinners. He judged religious people who believed that they were in someway superior to those who were not. As a matter of fact, he treated all of those outside of God's love with respect and love.

However, he called the religious right at the time white washed tombs with dead mean's bones in them. The reason, if you remember was because they had turned the House of God into a den of thieves.

So what type of Christian are you? I've read the bible several times through, as well as the Koran and the Torah. Many Christians don't read and spout the rhetoric of their "church" without ever looking to see if it is reality. Gay people have been here since the beginning of the time.

The word Christian means follower of Christ. Follow Jesus' examples not the churches.


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Your Honorable Habueld, You obviously know mountains more than I do so please help me with the part of the Bible I missed or miss read. I 've got to know where the Bible states that the sacred union we know as marriage includes same sex couples. I'm sorry for my ignorance but I can't find it.

I doubt you could find any aspect of the human experience that hasn't existed in one form or another since the beginning of time. That doesn't necessarily mean that's its a good thing. If you read my comments closely you will see I'm not against anybody having equal rights. I'm not willing to compromise my beliefs for something I'm not sure is correct. The gay community knows how we feel and why and its been their purpose to show absolutely no respect for what we hold sacred because its in their way. Now where I come from you earn respect its not given away cheaply and should be protected. The tendency to demand respect because its wanted seems childish to me, how about do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

We live in a world where there's alot of demand for instant gratification no matter the cost. Why can't you or any one else be satisfied with a compromise that would ensure the rights you desire and doesn't insult the other side. You're so busy demanding and accusing our position that you're trampling our rights in the process. Wheres the respect or is respect one sided?

My church never openly condemns any lifestyle or other religion. We don't work that way. I'll be glad to get you the information on a church in your area and you can see for your self. We encourage you to better yourself with our support to overcome issues that put at odds with Gods teachings. I can't speak for other churches and I know some are pretty tough on some issues and we've been in their gun sights. I can say with complete confidence you would not be attacked or challenged for your position at my church but everyone would pray for you. Does that make us evil haters?

You want, you're demanding, your rights but don't your rights stop where mine begin? Or do you hold trump over my rights? You use our Christian beliefs twist them and use them as a weapon against us. If you have to hurt someone to make you feel better about yourself what does that say about you?

I will obey peacefully whatever law is in place that regulates marriage. Would the gay coalition do the same? Peace.


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habueld 7 years ago from Riverside, CA Author

So let me get this correct, when blacks demanded respect from churches who believed that they were not human, they were wrong? Your philosophy is the same that caused Dr. Martin Luther King to say "Justice delayed is justice denied".


sneakorocksolid 7 years ago

Your Highness habueld, You can't really compare racism with sexual orientation. Racism is a situation that involves something that is not in the control of the individual, they had no choice, God chose. I have alot of embarrassment about how we behaved before the Black community, however; it is alot better for this community and whites are changing. The pain the loss of opportunity has eased, you have to see that. We can't fix the past and we can't right all the wrongs. The expectation that there's a magic pill to make everything perfectly fair is from fantasyland and won't contribute to any thing positive to the solution.

I don't propose delaying justice much less denying it. I'm just saying does someone have to lose to satisfy your position, because it sure seems like it. Why can't you be happy without ruining something we hold sacred? Does justice require a bloodletting?

If you would just take the time to read what I have written you would see I'm not against what you do privately or even the acknowledgement of your desire to have benefits the same as anyone. I've even pledged to obey the law no matter how the chips fall. What is it that you really have a problem with the color of my skin or my opposition to gay unions being called marriage?

Maybe you should examine what you're really after and is it even possible? If you can't compromise then you are without hope. Why haven't you answered the other questions I've posed? Peace.

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