Birthers vs Truthers

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When Does This Stuff End?

I enter into this "birther vs truther" war with a bit of trepidation. Both are fanatical in their belief they are correct. Both are extremists to the core. Both can't believe others don't see what they view as the truth. It's difficult to know where to begin to address both viewpoints of each respective "controversy." I guess I should give a brief synopsis of what each purportedly believe.

Let's start with the birthers. Birthers believe that President Obama does not have a valid birth certificate. The prevailing sentiment among birthers is that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Instead, he was born in Kenya. Some birthers allege that Obama is actually a citizen of Indonesia. What seems to have fueled the birthers even more is the governor of Hawaii, Neil Abercrombie, said he would release more information to dispel the rumors that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. After making this statement, Governor Abercrombie stated earlier this year he was "unable to provide information disclosing a person's birth documentation without that person's consent." Truthers believe that the attacks on September 11, 2001 were an "inside job by the federal government." They further allege that the news media assisted the federal government in covering up this plan. Truthers say the reason for this government inside job was so the U.S. could initiate wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They have several notable people who believe this version of 911, including former White House Aide Van Jones.and BYU professor Steven Jones.

It is often said if you straddle the fence on a heated issue, you'll be attacked by both sides. I'm not straddling the fence on either issue. I'm agnostic on both the birther and truther conspiracy theories. Insofar as the birther issue; People, don't we have other issues to attack President Obama with until 2012? This birther movement makes those on the right appear as loony as those on the Left (and some on the Right as well) truther movement. Now, assuming all you believe is true, that President Obama was indeed born in Kenya, than he is an illegal president and maybe is even a Muslim. Do you realize what this would do to this country if this were to be discovered? It would not just be the biggest scandal in U.S. history. It most likely would be the biggest scandal in world history as well. In order for this to work, hundreds, if not thousands, of people would have to participate in covering this fact up from the American people. Do you also believe people at the FBI, Secret Service, CIA and all the other national security apparatus would remain mum on this issue? Do you honestly believe something like this could be kept secret for long in a place like Washington D.C.? Please. Think about that for a moment.

Sure, President Obama could end this by producing his original birth certificate. But, you know what? if that is the case, I can't prove I am a U.S. citizen either. I lost my original birth certificate many years ago as a child. Yet, I was accepted into the U.S. Navy and obtained a Top Secret security clearance. What really is exacerbating this issue lately is Donald Trump. Mr. Trump has some good ideas with which I agree. But, bringing up this birth certificate controversy makes him appear a flake and quite possibly a fringe candidate for U.S. President some day. There are things on this controversy that I find strange such as President Obama's draft registration with the Selective Service. But, until someone can provide beyond a shadow of a doubt the President of the United States is an illegal alien, I will consider this on the same level of the JFK conspiratorial group.

I commented on the truther movement in a hub about a month ago. I read the hub by this 911 truther and found myself in disbelief that someone could believe the nonsense he was spouting. I asked him a pointed question; What would be the motivation of the U.S. Government to either plan or ignore attacks on the World Trade Center, and The Pentagon that caused, in excess, the deaths of over 3,000 people? The answer is one I've already mentioned; so we could have the excuse to go into Iraq and Afghanistan, plus to put a curb on civil liberties. Seriously, the federal government would kill 3,000 innocent people to carry out a plan so they could enter into a war with Afghanistan and Iraq? Where have I heard this kind of theory before? Oh, yes, now I remember. It was about the Vietnam War. President John F. Kennedy had drawn up plans to downsize American troops in Vietnam. But, the big defense contractors and oil companies weren't going to let that happen. So, by a combination of the Mafia, Cuba, Russia and the CIA, they had the President of the United States whacked. Now, President Kennedy is out of the way. These oil companies and defense contractors get their war. You know, the theories are always the same. The only things that really change are the dates and names. Everything else is standard as it goes from one generation to the next. The JFK and 911 Truther Conspiracies have at least one thing in common; someone in the government gave the "Ok to proceed."

There are people in this world who just fall in love with the idea of a conspiracy. It doesn't matter how far in right or left field it may be. Are both the birther and truther issues interesting? Of course they are. But, therein lies the impetus for these movements to continue. This sort of thing holds interest with a certain type of individual. Logic and reason are manipulated to fit the respective movement beliefs. No matter how many engineers prove that jet fuel can melt steel of a building, the truthers will remain committed to their idea that September 11, 2001 was an inside job by the U.S. government or was given covert approval for it to proceed. The motivation is nonsense. Since when does the President need a reason to go to war. Ask President Obama about that if you disagree. Birthers need to get a grip also. The Secret Service has to be complicit in this birth certificate flap, as well as the FBI. Again, do you believe a secret like this could remain a secret in a town like Washington D.C.? It's nothing but speculation until someone can prove Obama is a Kenyan. Evidence somewhere would have shown up by now. Most likely it would have shown up while Obama was a Democratic nominee for President. I just don't see the motivation by the law enforcement organizations to remain mum on this issue if they had evidence otherwise. Somebody, somewhere would break this birth certificate controversy wide open if they could prove Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia.

In summary, both the birthers and truthers need to focus on other aspects of life that are not speculative, like your family, your career or participating in the political process to bring about change. It seems since September 11, 2001, this entire country has had a nervous breakdown. We believe things that people a generation ago would have laughed at for being silly. We believe than any ill-timed spoken word or event has some sort of conspiratorial nature behind it. We all need to focus on the future and leave the fantasy world to children.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Sembj, I am finding what you say is 100% correct. I don't mean just online. I mean in the real world. Thanks for the comment.


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Sembj 5 years ago

Education used to be held in esteem because it enabled people to more easily test what was true by using logical and rational thinking, among other things. Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there used to be a time when opinions built on ignorance held less sway.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

notpolitical, I freely admit there is mystery surrounding Obama and his place of birth. His SSN from Conn. is strange and his draft status was also a bit unusual. I continue to reiterate, however, this whole thing is cntrived by Obama and his cohorts. If he is not on the up and up, someone, somewhere is going to break it wide open and make a ton of money. Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.


notpolitical 5 years ago

David

not to put fuel on the fire and i could

say i am on the middle of the fence but in

the last few days,experts are saying the released BC

is a fake I work Photoshop and that document is layered.

I have no problem with him as a person and if all is

finally revealed on his BC,College files,Connecticut SS

and a host of others found to be copacetic,then fine move on,if not,move out


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JayeWisdom 5 years ago from Deep South, USA

Most conspiracy theorists and extremists on any position do not usually worry about such mundane things as FACTS!

Good hub.

Jaye


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

It is true that many people are suckers for any old conspiracy theory. Not me. As you have duly noted, there are plenty of unquestionable problems that deserve our attention. Thank you for an excellent Hub.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Polly, he did show a certificate of live birth, as I recall. But, no one is satisfied with that, just as they would not be satisfied with his original birth certificate. There are questions about his birth certificate he could lay to rest. But, I think he is not answering by design. Don't you see this makes him appear as a "victim?" Democrats love a victim and this only helps him. There are too many other issues to go after him on such as the debt. If he is illegal, we'll find out eventually. Until that day, I am going to focus in 2012 so we can kick him out.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Birth certificates can be obtained at your state capital, but please do tell me why people lie and say he showed his birth certificate, they lie about so many things that at least you don't lie about and as I have said I was for Obama, now he scares the hell out of me! There is something very wrong about this man.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

My point, Polly, is that in order for this entire elaborate scheme to work (an illegal alien to become president) the entire forces of law enforcement would have to collaborate in this coverup. Do you think the Secret Service or the FBI would remain silent if they had evidence otherwise? I assure you, they did either covert or non-covert checkups of Obama. I just don't see that happening. Someone, somewhere would blow the lid off this coverup. I just am not believing it is a conspiracy. Why does he spend so much money on this? I don't know. Maybe it's because he doesn't want it to become an issue in the 2012 campaign. Like I said, I don't have my original birth certificate either. I lost it in a move across country when I was about six years old. Yet, I was able to enlist in the U.S. Navy for 4 years and obtain a Top Secret security clearance in the process. I do believe our security apparatus vetted President Obama.

There are many other issues to go after Obama on, such as this crushing debt/deficit, Obamacare and his weak-ass foreign policy. Sure, it is strange why he doesn't address this issue seriously instead of laughing it off. I wish he would. But, even if he produced an original birth certificate, would that satisfy the people whose minds are made up about him? I doubt it.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Ah, David for once we do not agree. I have despised Donald Trump since the first words that ever came out of his mouth and although it has nothing to do with nothing I have to wonder why a multi-billionaire cannot afford a barber, but that is the female in me. You could never get me to listen to that man but I did when he talked to Meredith Vieria and I must say he impressed me. Not one person has come forward that went to school with this man? Nobody remembers him and he has all his life locked up tight. I know one thing, if Donald is telling the truth and does come up with the proof he claims he will Obama should be handed right over the border to the ones he seems to love the most. What about his aunt now we hear is an illegal immigrant? Strange things indeed. He didn't know that either? Obama is not for any American citizen no matter what turns up with Trump but as of this time I believe Trump, how can you believe Obama, he knows to not say anything, and I agree with Trump on that, the best thing Obama has ever done is get elected. I personally believe he is evil and only God knows what another year will bring.(Thanks!) Now tell me off! I can take it!


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

LRC, I was just confused. I'm turning 60 this year, so that is becoming more and more frequent. ;-) As for the truthers/birthers...just seems we as a nation would have more important matters to concern ourselves with these days. I appreciate you coming by, even when we are in complete disagreement.


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

Not addressing that to you David, I was agreeing with you that it would have to be such a massive coverup, it would be impossible.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

LRC, I can't disagree with much of what you say. I especially think the deal with his grandparents publishing his birth in local Hawaiian papers is a home run unless his grandparents knew he was going to be president some day. lol It's total nonsense and there is too much else to discuss beside this trash.

You have confused me on the last part of your comment regarding truthers. Are you addressing that to me specifically or to everyone reading this hub? I went after Truthers as hard or even more so in this hub.


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LRCBlogger 5 years ago

These birther and truther arguments come from conspiracy theorists who just love to ignore facts. I already posted some comments arguing with a birther today.

Fact: Obama has produced his birth certificate many times. Fact, Fox News even has an article confirming this. Fact, The case has been brought to 3 district courts, all 3 authenticated his birth certificate. It has since been brough to the supreme court 3 times and all 3 times they dismissed the case. The whole 'long form vs short form certificate' is also a complete hoax.

Final 'nail in the coffin' fact: Obama's grandparents took out 2 birth announcements in the local Hawaii papers. Obama's address is listed in Honolulu. So are birthers really saying that Obama's grandparents took out the birth announcements in local papers (even though he was not born there) in hopes that one day their black grandson would run for president and they would have proof he was born here? cmon birthers, don't be dumb.

Regarding Truthers: Do you really think that the type of coverup and precision needed to pull off 9/11 by our own government could be done? You are giving them wayyyy too much credit. Don't be dumb.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

breakfastpop,

I'm not sure why President Obama just doesn't put this all to rest with his original birth certificate, if he has one. But, like I said in the hub, I don't have my original birth certificate. Lost it a long time ago. If Obama comes out and says he can't find his original, that will just fan the flames. But, I do believe he could seriously address the issue to put it to bed once and for all. I think everyone, Democrats and Republicans alike, would love to see this happen. Thanks for your comment as always.


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breakfastpop 5 years ago

There are many many people who would never consider themselves "birthers" but who are wondering why the President doesn't put this issue to rest. He is adding fuel to the fire, not Trump.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Sheri, I have a problem with the recent discovery with his Selective Service Registration that I linked above. His SSN indicates he was born in CT. He needs to explain that. With that said, there are more pressing matters at hand to go after Obama on that need to fill our time. Thanks for coming by.


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SheriSapp 5 years ago from West Virginia

David,

Like you, I think there are multitudes iof issues that should take precedent over this kind of stuff. I don't consider myself a birther, but I do wonder why BO has spent so much time, energy, and money to keep the certificate from being released. I also agree that conspiracies like these diminish the conservative movement.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

Frog, if you will hit that link I have on "selective service" in this hub, you will see that Obama gave a SS number that would have meant he got the number in Connecticut. That is a problem for me. He needs to explain this stuff. If he doesn't explain it now, waiting until the campaign is underway will be too late. People are already suspicious of him. It is almost like he INVITES this sort of suspicion about him. You can really tell Obama is a political novice, can't you? My beef with birthers is that unless they can present a "smoking gun," then this talk on being an illegal president is nonsense. The same thing goes for truthers.....put up or shut up. Both just get on my nerves. Trump has made matters worse this past week in regard to the birth certificate. Thanks for your valuable input as well.


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Writer David 5 years ago from Mobile, AL Author

poorconservate1, the thing about truthers is that when you ask them the motivation for killing 3,000 innocent people, including children, they come up with the old line of the U.S. wanting to go to war. And, you are right, they are anti-George Bush. That has a lot to do with this dumbass conspiracy of theirs. The motivation for birthers is to kick out a duly elected president. I don't like him or his policies. But, there are so many other things to go after Obama on, like the unconstitutional Obamacare, the so-called stimulus bill, etc. Both groups need to take a deep breath and smell the roses. Thanks for your input here.


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The Frog Prince 5 years ago from Arlington, TX

David - I'm not a birther but something doesn't sit right with me about anyone sealing their past, especially someone who occupies the Oval Office. I believe we, as citizens, have a right to know everything about the person who occupies that seat. What seems even more curious is that the man has spent millions to insure they remain sealed. "Why" is what concerns me the most about the issue.

A truther, on the other hand, is a horse of a different color. Van Jones is a truther and quite frankly, in my opinion, he is a bit of a nut case. Our government may appear sinister at times but that theory is over the cliff.

Excellent analysis and, as usual, spot on and well written. Thanks for sharing. Up and awesome my friend.

The Frog


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poorconservative1 5 years ago

Good Hub. You've actually given me a lot to think about. I have to be honest with you though, I'm a bit of a birther myself. Truther, no. I think your right. It's ridiculous to think that 9/11 was an inside job. At the very least someone some where would come forward and say something to the effect that they had a good friend or family member that's in the government that warned them to stay away from New York that day. And even though I haven't been a part of it and haven't kept up to speed with it, to this day I've never heard anything like that said. Personally I've always thought that they were just anti-George W. people. With the clear intent of trying to prove falsehoods about our former President. Now the birthers, I think that their just too damned militant about it. He's President already. I certainly didn't vote for him, but a majority did. Now we have to live with it. It sucks, but that's just the way it is. There are a lot more pressing issues with this President. Like his hard core, never say die socialism. That's an issue that definitely needs to be addressed, and it is in some circles. But that's an issue that could possibly be the subject of a Hub so I won't bore you here (only in a Hub). But realistically, wouldn't it be easier and more satisfying to Barak Obama (he is very arrogant) to display his birth certificate and ram it down the throat of everyone that's doubted him. Or maybe he's just waiting to use that as a re-election tool. Either way, it's not going to change the fact that he won the election in 2008. And it's not going to change the fact that there are a lot of people that would fight to keep him in office, no matter the circumstances. Partly because they are socialistic in nature themselves and partly because they advocated putting him there and it could and would make them look very incompetent. But like I said you've given me a lot to think about and I Thank You for the insight. Up and Awesome.

Thanks

Chuck

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