Chik-Fil-A And The Fall of Western Civilization

Unless you’ve been at an extended bible camp or perhaps a really long homosexual orgy, you’re already aware of the great Chik-Fil-A controversy. Accusations that Chik-Fil-A has pursued an anti-gay agenda have dogged them for years, which company president Dan Cathy has steadfastly denied.

But during a recent Baptist Press interview, Cathy finally fessed up: “Guilty as charged,” he said, perhaps thinking that nobody paid attention to Baptist Press except good god-fearing Baptists, not an unlikely assumption. He dug in deeper on a syndicated radio show when asked about his comment, where he went on to speak of “the biblical definition of the family unit,” and how Chik-Fil-A operates on “biblical principles,” and “we’re inviting God’s judgement.” Yeah, the bible is all about discrimination, hate, and lying I guess, since Cathy had lied about it for years.

The admission led to a firestorm of accusations back and forth with people taking either the anti-gay side or the pro-freedom side. Freedom of speech; homophobia; the bible; discrimination; the charges fly back and forth like dog turds being thrown over the fence by feuding neighbors. I propose that it’s no longer a fight about homosexuality or whether gays should be allowed to marry, and maybe it never was. Instead it’s a street fight between liberals and conservatives over the very future of our nation. The issue of whether gays can marry is just along for the ride.

Biblical Principles

The Bible references alleged homosexuality eight times, and none of the references are by Jesus. Consider that there are several hundred references to money and the necessity for justly distributing wealth, many of them by Jesus, but when was the last time you heard these people demanding higher taxes on the rich and using the bible as their justification? Furthermore, these homosexual references are frequently interpreted incorrectly, according to Dr. Virginia Ramey Mollenkott in her essay titled, Christianity and Crises:

Mollenkott writes: “Much of the discrimination against homosexual persons is justified by a common misreading of the Bible. Many English translations of the Bible contain the word homosexual in extremely negative contexts. But the fact is that the word homosexual does not occur anywhere in the Bible. No extant text, no manuscript, neither Hebrew nor Greek, Syriac, nor Aramaic, contains the word. The terms homosexual and heterosexual were not developed in any language until the 1890’s, when for the first time the awareness developed that there are people with a lifelong, constitutional orientation toward their own sex. Therefore the use of the word homosexuality by certain English Bible translators is an example of the extreme bias that endangers the human and civil rights of homosexual persons.” (pp. 383-4, Nov. 9, 1987)

Of the eight references, I Corinthians 6:0 refers to masturbation, not homosexuality, and don’t tell me the anti-gay people don’t masturbate. I hope they wash their hands before eating their chicken sandwich. The reference in Timothy 1:10 is about male prostitutes available to both men and women, not homosexuality. Of the other six, they are all disputed by modern scholars, like the story of Lot, who, when townspeople want to rape two angels, offers up two of his daughters instead to be gang-raped. See? People point to this and say it’s about homosexuality, but it’s about dehumanizing and violently brutalizing women, or brutalizing men if you want to stick with the male on male part, not about consensual sex between two people of the same gender.

The Bible is being used to encroach on our freedoms and political system every day, and it’s escalating. There’s abortion, prayers in school, the hostile takeover of women’s uteruses; the list goes on, and that’s why mention of the Bible as an excuse to discriminate against homosexuals—even when it comes from a chicken sandwich slinger—makes us nervous. Keep your religion to yourselves. Keep your religion out of politics. Keep your faith, but keep it away from me. And don’t tell me how to choke my chicken either.

The Muppets ended their association with Chik-Fil-A after the controversial remarks.
The Muppets ended their association with Chik-Fil-A after the controversial remarks.

Freedom of Speech

Perhaps no cry from the pro-hate side comes louder than the freedom of speech cry. Dan Cathy was just exercising his right to free speech, they say. Yes, indeed he was. This comes immediately before or after they berate the other side for exercising their right of free speech in response. In other words, they want their free speech, but want those of us who disagree to shut up.

Of course the river of hate runs deeper than that. Chik-Fil-A doesn’t just speak hate, they act on it. Equality Matters, an LGBT advocacy group reported that Chik-Fil-A donated more than $3 million between 2003 and 2009 to Christian groups that openly oppose homosexuality. In 2010 alone they gave nearly $2 million. So their free speech is actually aggressive advocacy, and whenever sensible Americans see advocacy for backwards, harmful and hateful legislation, it is our duty to oppose it. What’s worse, thanks to the Republican buyout of the Supreme Court and the absurdest Citizens United ruling, real damage can be done when money and madness meet. The danger is compounded by the fact that so many Americans are like chickens being led to slaughter.

Then there's the matter of cherry picking the parts of the bible that suit your motives and disregarding the rest, like: bowl haircuts (The Beatles); touching pigskin (football); eating pork (bacon anyone?); telling fortunes (astrology, psychic hotline); pulling out (condoms, sponges and pills were unknown to them, so actually, those are not forbidden specifically); tattoos; divorce; wearing gold; eating shellfish, and more. I don't think there are any actual Christians left.

Chik-Fil-A lying again about why they didn't have Muppet toys. They later changed their story to another lie..
Chik-Fil-A lying again about why they didn't have Muppet toys. They later changed their story to another lie..

Fall From Grace

Sad on an epic scale is the fact that Chik-Fil-A fast food joints have been packed—some with lines out the door—since the brouhaha began. People have flocked by the thousands to show their support for a company that openly speaks out against homosexuality and privately condemns it by donating very large sums of money to suppress it (and you know that homosexuality is not a choice, right?)

Yesterday I read a thread online where a television station asked its viewers whether they agreed with Chik-Fil-A or not. Hundreds of people had commented, and as I scrolled through the comments, I was shocked. They all supported the restaurant, threw in some gay slurs of their own, repeated their bible mantra, all of them except one, a woman whom I know. Around the same time, I had a heated online and public discussion with an acquaintance over the issue. People came to her defense, but not to mine, in spite of the fact that many of my online friends are gay. (And in case you’re wondering, no I’m not, but you don’t spend 20 plus years in professional theatre without becoming friends with some gay people, who you would find, if you bothered, the same as us with the exception of sexual orientation. None of them made a pass at me, and I’m more than a little insulted by that. And I somehow managed not to catch their gayness. Whew.)

Liberals and intellectuals are less inclined to speak up than backward thinking conservatives, who pour out unctuously to support and share in the ignorance of their compatriots. And therein lies their power.

It is for these reasons I conclude the Chik-Fil-A fracas is but a harbinger of the impending fall of western civilization. These people have a real chance of taking over. The world I always imagined—one of richness of experience, one of freedom, one of compassion—is everything that these people are against. A civilization without compassion is no civilization at all.

A Chik-Fil-A spicy chicken sandwich deluxe, waffle fries, and a sweet tea accounts for almost 2,100 calories, roughly an entire day's worth, not to mention fat, cholesterol, and sodium.

So Chik-Fil-A is bad for your health, and bad for your soul.

Some biblical information in this story adapted from "Homophobia: A Weapon of Sexism," by Suzanne Pharr

Drag Queens sing, "Chow Down (at Chick-fil-A)"

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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Omg! Haha I love that video and saw it a while back! Cracks me up...and uh...Chik fil a - NO WAY!


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Hi Kelly, I was just reading about you! I've never been, and now I won't.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

Christopher, you do us all a very great service with your open, frank, courageous Hub here.

Thank you so much.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

jonnycomelately: Thanks for the encouragement and thoughtful comment.


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Paraglider 4 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Brilliant and brave - keep on truckin' ;)


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Thanks Paraglider. Ummm, why does everyone keep saying "brave?" Do you know something I don't?


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krillco 4 years ago from Hollidaysburg, PA

Well written, and I agree with you (and I am a Christian). Not all believers are narrow minded, ignorant folk. Some of us took what Jesus DID talk about (love) and run with it.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Thank you for your comment, krillco. I myself was raised Catholic and minored in religion in college, and when I see religion being twisted from its true purpose, its inherent goodness, it pains me. It is the ones who manipulate religion to serve their own selfish needs who speak the loudest.


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Petra Vlah 4 years ago from Los Angeles

I could not agree with you more, dear Chris.

It is the interpretation of religion (Bible, Koran and the rest) that gets us screwed time and again. As usual you wrote a great hub, but the ones who follow you expect nothing less, so no surprise there.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Petra! My dear friend! Thank you! If I ever make it out to L.A., I will take you to dinner!


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Jewels 4 years ago from Australia

Excellent as usual. Bad interpretations, like opinions are perilous to us all. We must rise up Master Reilly and ignore idiots, don't buy their merchandise, deplete their water supply, pull the plug from their tubs. I'm sure Jesus would advise similarly.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Hi Jewels,

Thanks for the comment. Hope you are well down under. You're right. If we can all act together we can make a difference.


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rebekahELLE 4 years ago from Tampa Bay

I like how you address some of the Biblical references that are constantly being used to throw gay people under the God bus. I have eaten at CFA numerous times because I like their salads, but I can no longer hand over my $$ to this establishment. Thanks for sharing and writing on this important topic, as you've so eloquently made clear. It's been tweeted!


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Thanks rebedahELLE. Thanks for your thoughts, and the Tweet. I know your work well, I'm honored.


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drbillfannin 4 years ago from Atlanta

Thanks for the hub. I am in support of gay rights 100%, however, I disagree with you that the Bible is unbiased on the homosexuality issue. Just because Jesus doesn't mention it specifically means nothing. He always upheld the scriptures. Have you read about Sodom and Gomorrah? They were destroyed because of homosexuality. You know: "sodomy, anal sex." You have the right to believe what you want, but the Bible is very clear that sex was designed by God for a "man" and a "woman" to make kids bind the family unit. That is very clear. The Bible is also against divorce. A marriage is between one man and one woman "for life." How many "so-called Christians" have sinned in that one but put down gay marriage? Is one less of a sin? Actually, people who divorce and remarry have committed 2 sins. They forfeit any right to condemn homosexuality. People need to stop trying to make the Bible justify their sinful behavior. Everyone has the right to follow the Bible or not. Divorce and remarriage are sins. Homosexuality is sinful. Masturbation is sinful. So are fornication, lusting, adultery, abortion drunkenness, greed, gluttony and on and on. The Bible is very clear. Believe it or not. Follow it or not. I try but I fail daily; however, I never try to use the Bible to justify my sinful behavior by re-writing it to fit my behavior. I am a sinner, and I admit it. God help us all.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

drbillfannin, god help us all if people like yourself, who claim to be well versed in the logic of science and technology, continue to believe in such rubbish as you have written here.

If you continue to regard homosexuality and masturbation as sinful, go back and live in the dark ages. Go and live in a country where these sins are punished by being strung up by the neck and strangled in front of a jeering crowd.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

drbillfannon: I really don't care what people believe. I think religion is a private matter and it has no place in government, or being thrust on others. Thanks for the comment.

jonnycomelately: I think my aunt has religion right. She is deeply religious, goes to church every day, and never talks about or Jesus or God to people. She just tries to do good things. Thanks for commenting.


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kittythedreamer 4 years ago from the Ether

LOVED IT. Keep your opinions on religion out of business. Why even mention it, seriously? And it truly does sadden me to see that MORE people are going to Chik Fil A now that they've been open about their stance on gay marriage. Hatefulness is what will destroy us...not gay people. I particularly liked this line, as a conservative co-worker of mine brought up the Chik Fil A day today, telling me I should go eat it...I said I'd never spend my money there again.

"Liberals and intellectuals are less inclined to speak up than backward thinking conservatives, who pour out unctuously to support and share in the ignorance of their compatriots. And therein lies their power." - so very true!


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

kittythedreamer: Thank you for your heartfelt comment. You help to restore my faith in people and the country.


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jo miller 4 years ago from Tennessee

One of the nice things about Hub Pages is that I sometimes come across some nice writing while looking around. And this subject was of interest to me. Living here in the South in a "blood" red area of the country, I'm surrounded by those of the opposite point of view, so this is refreshing. I'm tempted to share it on facebook to counteract some postings I've seen from others, but I'm not sure that would promote positive communication. I will, though, share it with my husband, who's son is gay. For us, it's personal.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Hi jo. If you're concerned about reaction on your personal Facebook posting, you may be right. I have gotten into a couple of vitriolic arguments, though not because I posted this article, which I have done on two different FB accounts. The arguments have come when I have dared comment on other people's postings, and everyone comes out of the woodwork to attack the "f**king liberal," and the liberals--if there are any--do not come out in kind. If however you are concerned about people with an opposite point of view in commenting on this hub, you need not be concerned. Still, I will think twice before sharing my opinion in the future. There is zero chance of changing anybody's mind anyway, so ingrained is their limited and selfish view. Thank you for the comment, Jo. It is comforting to know there are others who feel as I do. - Chris


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mio cid 4 years ago from Uruguay

Equal rights for gay people is just a matter of time,they can slow down progress but they can't stop time.And the same bigoted crowd that hate gays, also coincidentally happen to hate black people,which they have to be more cautious about how they express, and hispanics who they can go just as openly against as they go against gay people all they have to do is disguise their name as illegal aliens.


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Great hub. Insightful and well articulated. Religions promote this social disorder, and people must have someone to hate. It is in our genes (but they try to make it read: "In our Jeans".

It seems the God of Love that rules these religions is, after all, truly a God of Hate.


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Shadesbreath 4 years ago from California

I think it's pretty telling that they lied about why they were recalling the toys. If they knew in their hearts their position was right, they wouldn't have lied. Gotta love the hypocrisy. Same with the indignation they had that people were boycotting them. The fact that they try to make it a free speech issue is just hilarious. "Don't boycott my restaurant just because I choose to make my politics publicly known. This is America, I have a right to say what I want. You shouldn't boycott me, that's just wrong." LOL. Dumbest argument of all time. Talk about being unable to see yourself in the mirror.

As for the takeover, it is scary to think they'll take over. It's scary to think anyone will take over. I sit here and watch freedom being taken over every day, by both liberals and conservatives, one seatbelt law, one gay-hating law at a time. Both sides whittle away at liberty, all the while pointing at the other as the problem, while those of us in the middle watch the candle burning down from both ends. Sigh.


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Disappearinghead 4 years ago from Wales, UK

Excellent hub, well said.

@drbillfennin

It's sad that the gay hating Christian uses Sodom as an example in their claims. It's simply a lie.

Genesis 13:13

Now the people of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20

Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous.

Nothing mentioned here about homosexuality. But here's the real reason it was destroyed; something that they wilfully ignore.

Ezekiel 16:49

“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.


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Mark Ewbie 4 years ago from Euroland

Fabulous article - very well done.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Mio Cid: You're right. As Jon Stewart said, in the end, our side well get equal rights and their side will get type 2 diabetes.

D. William: "In our jeans. " Ha! love that.

Shades: Yeah. The country is so divided that I wonder if there is a middle ground that even has a chance of being reached. Their extreme hatred of Obama is interesting, in that he's far closer to them than they acknowledge (of course I think a lot of their hatred is motivated by something else.)

Disappearinghead: Thanks for your insights. Couldn't agree more.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Thank you, Mr. Ewbie. Nice to see you.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

DPH, thank you for that reference to Ezekiel 16:49. But excuse me! They will tell us we must not 'cherry pick' what we want to believe in the bible. Reading Ezekiel gets a bit uncomfortable here, eh?

“Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

How true is this of our feather-bedded major nations of the world, right now?

And the soft underbelly of gays is so easy to kick.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

jonnycomelately: I'm not sure what you're saying here. Could you clarify? DPH (if you mean "disappearinghead") was using the Exekiel passage to express the same sentiment I think you are expressing. Thanks.


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drbillfannin 4 years ago from Atlanta

+Clarification. To all those who read my earlier remarks and to those who commented, you missed my point. According to the Bible, a lot of human activity is sinful. Believe it or not; however, religion has no place in business or politics. Unfortunately, since we are all human, we tend to mix our beliefs into everything, especially politics and business. Gay rights people should have let the CEO's comments fade into the past, but noooo, the media likes to stir up controversy so people on both sides get all worked up. Makes the news interesting, right? In this case, gays wanted to make an example out of Chic-Fil-A, and the anti-gays decided to fight back. The only winners here were Chic-Fil-A and the news media who made lots of money. Personally, I am reluctant to label myself as a Christian because so many of them are in no way Christians. People who use the law to force others into their lifestyle are all Satanists so far as I am concerned. My views on religion and homosexuality are in my hubs. Our government needs to strike "marriage" from all legal documents and replace it with "civil union." The word marriage was originally a religious ceremony recognizing the union between a man and a woman. When we use that term in legal documents, things get confusing. If a married person doesn't believe that they have entered into a civil union, just try and get out of it by going the to pastor who performed the ceremony. The pastor can nullify the marriage and God may recognize that, but the government "civil union" still exists. When the marriage agreement was entered into the legal record a civil contract was created (a civil union.) To get out of that the couple has to go to "civil court" and have a judge nullify the civil union. Gays should have the right to enter into a civil union just like everyone else. I don't care what people believe. Some people believe there are aliens at area 51 helping our military. Some people believe in Allah, Buddha, even Santa Claus. I believe everyone should mind their own business, and let everyone else do the same. That call that "equal rights" which has never existed anywhere, but we can dream can't we? Why is it that most people just can't accept diversity?

This one is for Christians: The Bible commands you to live within the world but to not be part of the world. You are supposed to be an example to the world. Nowhere are you authorized to try and change the world or to stop the world from changing. You are supposed to make sure your life is clean. Forcing the world to live by your rules is wrong, wrong, wrong. That's why Christianity is being forced into obscurity. You live the way you want, and let everyone else do the same. What do you have against gay people anyway? Were you perfect before you were saved? Are you perfect now?

For the gays: You have always known that Chic-Fil-A was a Christian organization, or you should have. Why did you allow the media to stir up crap now and make most of you look like trouble makers. Oh, they do love that controversy, don't they?


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

Christopher, sorry, I was being a bit facetious, ney sarcastic with this statement: " But excuse me! They will tell us we must not 'cherry pick' what we want to believe in the bible. Reading Ezekiel gets a bit uncomfortable here, eh?" I was referring to people who are anti-gay because of what they pick from scriptures to support their stance. Yet then they tell un-believers they can't cherry pick from the scriptures.

Yes, Disappearinghead was expressing my sentiments, better than I could..... Thanks again for your Hub here.

drbillfannin, when you say " Chic-Fil-A was a Christian organization" maybe you could say a "self-righteous organisation."


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

drbillfannon: I have to agree, and that you have personal religious beliefs is perfectly fine with me.

johnnycomelately: Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.


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evvy_09 4 years ago from Athens, AL

I went to as Catholic school for some years and then finished out high school at a public school, one that actually had a fairly bad reputation. I found kids at either school to be exactly the same. I also developed a dislike for organized religion.

Chik-fil-a doesn't believe in gay marriage and that's just fine for them. Meanwhile Other restaurants donate to end child hunger or help end illiteracy. How is gay marriage actually harming anyone?

I'm a big believer in true love and hope everyone experiences it one day. If two people of the same sex happens to find love with each other, that is a beautiful thing. They should never let the hatred spewing out around the world to ruin something so rare.

In a few weeks people will be foaming at the mouth for some other issue that isn't their business and yet somehow destroys their otherwise perfect world.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

evvy: I too went to Catholic school and then transferred to public school (which I liked much better). Thanks for checking in and sharing your thoughts.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

Jason SPeegle obviously has not learned to enter a sensible, intelligent discussion here.


Jason SPeegle 4 years ago

WHo are you!!!


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MobyWho 4 years ago from Burlington VT

Cristoph, I'm having a similar 'discussion' with The Founding Fathers site. I've never read statements being interpreted in so many self-serving ways. They are masters of the portrait/quote post. Some of the attributes are bizarre - but all have the same effect of spreading 'the word' of bias. I keep watching them - "always keep your enemy close". It seems the Bible and the Constitution have similar scavengers. Great Hub - Thanks, and voted 'up'


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Thanks MobyWho. Even though I realize I'll probably never change anyone's mind, I can't help but try to set the record straight.


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Disturbia 4 years ago

I think Chic-Fil-A's CEO Dan Cathy can say whatever he wants. Does it bother me if someone else does or doesn't believe in same-sex marriage? Not really. Everyone has the right to their own opinion whether I agree with it or not. But honestly, up until the gay marriage thing happened, I'm not sure I even heard of this store before. Now, good or bad, Chic-Fil-A has everyone talking about them. So, for what it's worth, I think Dan Cathy got Chic-Fil-A a whole lot of publicity.


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Christoph Reilly 4 years ago from St. Louis Author

Disturbia: Yep. It's not going to hurt them in the pocketbook.


Rozalyn Winters 2 years ago

Excellent hub on an important topic. I'm so humbled by your impressive writing style. It reminds me of Stephen Fry's work. I agree with your comments about religion being twisted from its true purpose (particularly Christianity, which is supposed to be based on love, not hate).

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