Civic 101: the President is Not A Lawmaker

Political View from the Underclass

The President is not a Lawmaker

The House of Representatives (Congress) and the Senators are the hundreds of representatives selected by millions of American voters. These hundreds of men and women are suppose to represent the will and look out for the well being of the people that sent them to Washington. The fact is so many diverse Americans voted for these representatives (especially democrats) that anything they do or don’t do they can claim to represent the people. It is said that the Republicans don’t represent the people, only the rich and powerful and the Democrats represents the middle, working, and underclass. It doesn’t matter what is said about the two major political parties’ intent and who they represent, actions speaks louder than words. In a Capitalistic country money is powerful and that power determines the political priorities in both the Democrat and Republican parties. The Federal Laws of this nation, Federal taxes and entitlements (social and corporate entitlements) creation is the job of the House and Senate of the United States.

The President must review the bills and laws that the lawmakers create and pass in both houses. These laws and bills are then sent to the President to sign into law or veto. In America’s History, 98.9% of Presidents were either Democrats or Republicans. President Obama is a Democratic President, but he is trying to be the President of all Americans. That’s noble, idealistic and sounds like Americanism. It is unusual to say the lease for a president to attempt to embrace ALL Americans, the haves and the have not’s. The President’s style is also unusual in his ability to personally sit and engage and answer the questions respectfully of people he might disagree with or people that may disagree with him, from American CEO’s to American Community Organizers. He seemed to have learned in the last seven years that it is impossible to reason with people who just don’t want to be reasonable. The Republicans operated under a conservative mission to make the President a failure and a pledge to do nothing for four years. Now, the American People, Democrats, Republicans and Independents voted to follow the President and reject the Conservative Austerity, from the bottom up solution. Now, the Republicans want the President to Lead and put his ideals on the table about avoiding The Fiscal Cliff so they can say how bad the President’s ideals are and create more fake news and crisis in an attempt to continue to do nothing. The President is not a lawmaker, but the lawmakers and the American people know that he wants a fair and balance approach to solving the debt crisis created by the previous Republican President and aggravated by the Tea Party. The Tea Party Republicans claim that there is too much money spent and wasted on entitlements. They want the President to cut social entitlements but not corporate, business, and banking entitlements. If the President insist on cutting from the top down there will be more corporate, business, and banking pain than people pain. The corporations, big business, and banking have money in surplus and can pay more because they have more money than the middle, working, lower, low and underclass combined. The Military Industrial Complex should be put on the table for cuts from the top down to show that Republicans are really ready to tackle the spending problem. We have so many weapons of mass destruction and sophisticated technical stealth weapons that no country in the world wants war against the United States. We can definitely cut waste and spending militarily, over spending for toilet seats, nuts & bolts, and hammers by hundreds of dollars each is a historic problem. I am sure all the President’s men and women are bringing up the top down theories and military and medical fraud and abuse as a way to get control on spending, but are Republicans listening?

The President of the United States has requested that the Lawmakers of the United States set the American people free. FREE 98% of the American People from being held hostage to a continued cut for 2% of American that really don’t need a tax break. Then everything can be put on the table for possible cuts, including the Military budget, before not after the Fiscal Cliff. That would be a good way for the Republicans to wish the American people a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

November 29, 2012

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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Interesting, but a tough read with such long paragraphs. That middle one is a killer and has numerous natural break points.

President Obama certainly isn't a lawmaker, but he acts like he's one. He has written somewhere near a thousand Executive Orders, each one given the weight of law. No other president has come close to this number of EO's.

And he bypassed Congress altogether when he went to war against Libya. Panetta had the gall to tell Congress that the White House would notify then if ever they need to go to war again (but after the fact). Bypassing the Constitution seems to be common these days.

But Obama is doing more than this. He has his "Kill List" which includes American citizens. This is a terrible precedent to establish, especially when he promised to restore habeas corpus and reneged on that promise.

Obama signed into law NDAA 2012 with its indefinite detention clauses for Americans. Wow! Looks like we should change the name of America to Siberia or Soviet Russia.

And Obama signed into law HR 347 which makes it a felony to protest what the government is doing.

I pray for America. It used to be the land of the free and home of the brave, but now it's the home of the selfish looking for government handouts, and the land of the fearful accepting tyranny in exchange for a false-sense of security.

And it seems that Washington is run by the Corporate Party and its lobbyists, not representatives of the people.

If you look at these 2 videos, you see how voting and Roberts Rules of Order are effectively dead in the presidential conventions of both halves of the Corporate Party:

RNC Scripted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2O248VaDpA

DNC Scripted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxNg3u70FnY

Someone has an agenda, and all we see in the Corporate Party media is a distraction meant to divide us. The enemy from without is weak compared to the enemy within.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

America has long since been the home of the free.

It is my view that Obama is cleaning house.

I hope and pray that he uses the NDAA against these cretins, who have infiltrated our good country, and turned it into a sewer of corrpution.

hand outs? Here's one:

It cost a bank one cent when a person has an over-draft. My bank charges me $27.00 for it....what about yours?

Theft!

How bout this: Mitt Romney, with a worth of 20 million, paid 13.9% in tax for it. How bout you? 25%....28....30?

Theft!

How bout this: Your tax dollars give every Israeli citizen $15,000 a year!

I don't even know what to call that......I am stunned by it.

Infiltrated, owned and abused.

That's what I call it.

PNAC, Greater Israel, MIC, Full-Spectrum-Dominance.

It needs to end, but it is so huge.....how will it ever?


JThomp42 4 years ago

Interesting read.


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junko 4 years ago Author

lone77star, thanks for your comment. I agree that no other President has had to use Executive Orders as much as this President. I know you will agree that no other Senate in America's history has ever used so very many filibusters to obstruct any other Presidency. Why? Your guess is as good as mine, but it is what it is. Yes the President by-passed congress in respect to Libya, also in respect to Bin laden. If he could have by-passed congress in respect to dealing with GITMO, he should have by-passed the Obstruction of congress and the senate and solved that problem also. I agree the enemy from within is worst then the enemy without, "its not flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high places" we must fight, not one another.


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junko 4 years ago Author

Lovemychris I thank you for your views, they shined a light on what I wrote.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

It's nice to know we aren't alone, junko. Sometimes it feels that way.


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junko 4 years ago Author

JThomp42 thanks for the encouraging words, seldom is heard encouraging words since I came out of the shadows and post my photo.


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always exploring 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

I couldn't agree more. Great article. The president is in office again because we believe he wants the best for all americans...


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junko 4 years ago Author

Thanks always exploring, it showed that action does speaks louder then words.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

'' the American people know that he wants a fair and balance approach to solving the debt crisis created by the previous Republican President and ",a DEMOCRAT majority controlled CONGRESS (2007-2008)

The fiscal cliff is owned by the President and the do nothing Senate.

The President lies?

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

Where is the media reports?

REALLY,the President and the Senate need to start following the law.

REPORT 9 million ways to balance the budget CUT WASTE

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow...

The President isn't quite telling the American people the TRUTH?

New taxes = cuts in government (not in 10 years ). OFFSET IN EXISTING BUDGETS . Why can't the President and the Democrats understand the LAW?


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junko 4 years ago Author

Jon (The Suit) my long lost friend. I’m glad you stopped by and commented, now I know my view was true. You look like a Corporate CEO. Well… your comment? You changed my words Tea Party to democratic Majority controlled congress (2007-2008). Then you commented that the fiscal cliff was owned by the President and the do nothing Senate. You ended your rant with, The President lies. Now you have put words in my writing and changed my point. Jon, all I can say is, you look old enough and wise enough to understand Politics, and I’ll talk to you and not at you.

The previous Administration, after the Fear 9-11 brought to America, had no partisan Pledged Obstruction from Democrats. Everybody wanted to be Patriots during time of war. The previous President didn’t start his Presidency with a debt ceiling fight and the lost of the country’s credit cards. In fact he was handed a surplus from Clinton and didn’t need to borrow money to stimulate the nation’s economy. In fact things were so good he supported tax breaks for all rich and poor which drained the surplus quickly. The fact that two wars and a prescription drug program for drug manufacturers were causing the Federal Government’s debt to grow for eight years with tax cuts across the board, was reckless Government. The Wall Street Bailout was the icing on the cake served to Obama in 2008. The blue and yellow dog conservative Dixiecrat Democrats blocked for the Republicans until the Tea Party arrived in 2010. Now that’s the truth the hold truth and nothing but the truth, so help me, Jon.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

JUNKO

‘’Jon (The Suit) my long lost friend’’ I APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP. The ‘’suit’’, I no longer need the suit, my new profession ( 24/7 caregiver) don’t require a suit. Many of my suits were given to homeless veterans.

‘’You changed my words ‘’no just added my own opinion.

‘’The President lies.’’ read the words and decide if today is similar to what he said back in 2010.He lied than, his record of adding$5.4trillion to the debt and not making the cuts as spoken in Pay Go law. The link http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

A fact is that it took Bush 4 years to increase the national debt ( $5 trillion approx.), President Barak Obama raised the debt $5.4 trillion ( and counting) in only 4 years, lost our credit ratings and have 23 million people out of work.

The people elected President Obama to a second term with the worst record in our history. Another great accomplishment by the 44th President of the United States.

The media somehow neglected to report, wonder why?

http://commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature...

Somehow you and I are looking thru the same glasses but seeing a different picture. Well, that’s what makes the world go around.

Have a great holiday season. Jan 2 will awaken many people that voted in this election.

PS The reply post had to be cut, it got to be too windy.


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adjkp25 4 years ago from Northern California

I have a few buddies that I consider to be fairly smart people but it floors me how uneducated they can be on the political side, one even blames Obama when the stock market goes down but won't give him credit when it goes up.

It also humors me when people blindly blame the guy sitting in the white house without looking at the big picture. I'm not sure if it is just pure disgust or ignorance but it is pretty obvious when it is being done.

Hopefully people can read this and get a better understanding on how our system is designed.

Voted up.


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junko 4 years ago Author

Jon ,stay out of the wind my friend on the far right. I dont usually offer as support other people's opinions in support of my personal opinions. (links to articles and stats of someones else view through glasses). I think thats like talking at me and not to me but thats just me and my view of things. A Great Holiday Season and a Happy New Year to You and Yours


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junko 4 years ago Author

adjko25, it seems that most people who don't understand civics understands the constitution of the United States, so they say. Thanks for the comment and vote up I get lifted when encouraged.


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Irish Shrew 4 years ago from Midwest

I love reading opinions, facts, and research. But you know, you have one comment for which I grow so weary...A comment (Level 6) reminds me of so many base-less, fictitious, and contrived 'facts' as a means to their theorem. #1: Obama did NOT sign almost a thousand Executive Orders, instead it was 139(do FactCheck.org). #2 He bypassed the War Powers Act- please do research unless you did, and it eludes YOUR truth. This is a quote from Yale Professors Bruce Ackerman and Oona Hathaway: " Make no mistake: Obama is breaking new ground, moving decisively beyond his predecessors,", "If nothing happens, history will say that the War Powers Act was condemned to a quiet death by a president who had solemnly pledged, on the campaign trail, to put an end to indiscriminate warmaking." Also the Washington Post states: Though previous presidents have ignored provisions of the act requiring congressional approval before military action, it is unprecedented for the commander-in-chief to blow the 60-day deadline, say presidential scholars. Now, some added information from a very well known Republican Senator; Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has strongly backed military support for Libyan rebels, says he doesn't think the president needs to get a resolution. "I've never recognized the constitutionality of the War Powers Act, nor has any president, either Republican or Democrat," he said. Next.... The NDAA -please look this up! The final vote showed bizarre fractures among Democrats, erasing the usual barriers between conservatives and liberals. The 16 who voted for the harsh detainee rules were both Republicans AND Democrats. The White House issued a threat of Veto more than once. The FBI and the National Defense Director agreed with Obama. It wasn't RIGHT. NEXT...HR 347 ; The bill slightly rewrites a short trespass law, originally passed in 1971 and amended a couple of times since, that covers areas subject to heightened Secret Service security measures." LOOK IT UP..POLITICFACT.COM ..sorry, this is getting tiresome. I believe in Freedom of Speech but after this election- if you base your ideology on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, or Anne Coulter, then you are free to speak- in an airtight, contained, and soundproof room where the audience thirsty for knowledge, must remain outdoors.


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junko 4 years ago Author

Irish Shrew, Thank for your factual input and insistance of fact based opinions. I agree with your view.


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Irish Shrew 4 years ago from Midwest

You're most welcome. I'm sorry if I came off disparaging, I am so tired of the rumors and supposed facts coming from the extreme right. Facts are good for everyone, then you can make intelligent decisions and opinions on where your character directs you.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

''so tired of the rumors and supposed facts coming from the extreme right. '' It's funny you mentioned Fox News ideology.FNS motto '' we report ,you decide'' seems to keep many Democrats from excepting their request to appear on a segment, especially President Obama and other people in the know.

SEGMENTS ON THE FISCAL CLIFF situation between the President and Speaker Boehner may win an award.Showing past promises and positions of the President is so revealing in the way his positions contradict thru the years.

The solutions to the ''fiscal cliff '' is simple, follow the Pay-Go law that the President and the Democrats approved in 2010. Senator Colburn has found $9 trillion in waste in Washington. The people only need to get by the Obama/media propaganda to understand the game.

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/rightnow...

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

GOVERNMENT WASTE, the past 5 years, the Social Security Trust fund has paid $400 billion to dead federal employees.

http://hubpages.com/politics/Obamacare-Anatomy-of-...

There are at least 24 new taxes in the bill

http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investig...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/23/health/policy/ga...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/17/senator...

It's all about waste and wasteful spending. PAY-GO LAW SAYS new taxes = cuts in todays budget, deficit neutral


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I guess you miised the news....Fox is a Republican party operative. Nothing "news" or "fair and balanced" about it.

Fox is a Republican channel. End of story. and it's quite psychologically damaging to good mental health, IMO.


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junko 4 years ago Author

Lovemychris thanks for answering Jon's call. He is sad to find out that what you say about Fox is true. Millions were fooled into thinking Fox News was real news and not Reality News TV. Those that are mentally disturbed about the election results will get over it. The Democrats had the same condition after Fox News declared Bush won Florida(2000) after every other New network declared a Democratic victory. Fox and the Teaparty are Republican made, all lies die when the truth is told.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

lovemychris

''....Fox is a Republican party operative'' and ''Fox is a Republican channel ''. Funny that Fox News viewers out number all of the liberal channels together. I suggest all the Fox haters and dumb dumbs try to watch a lot more of Fox to know what's going on in the world today.

Obama spoke today before a business group from Washington. When the President went to speak about the ''fiscal cliff'', the Fox channel went black. A few minutes later the program came on only to go black again when the President started to talk about his plan. Washington censorship on Fox News ?

Fox News has been showing clips of the President, past and recent. The President truly has distorted the facts . The mainstream media only perpetrates the propaganda of the Obama Administration. THAT'S A FACT.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

You couldn't PAY me enough to fill my mind with that propaganda! Politburo had nuthin on Fox! It's an instument of project mockingbird.....on a grand scale.

Don't believe me? Roger Ailes was offering David Patreaus the presidency...with his candidacy to be broadcast from Fox Shmooooze. Did you miss that?

They propogate lie after lie, such as Obama was not born here, and is indoctrinating children and wants to steal them from their parents.

I saw on the news in 08 a woman who was hysterical because her kid sang a song for Obama in class.....Fox had convinced her that the teacher was indoctrinating kids for the Obama Army.

And just recently, the White House was getting calls because parents feared the UN was going to steal their disabled kids! Dumb? Oh no--they are smart like a Fox. Wily like a Coyote.

But pure and vile evil, IMO. I would not go near that for any amount of dough.

I value sanity much more than I do hysteria, thank you.

Once people have been de-programmed, they will wince at their vulnerability, mo. It is spurned by their desperate need to feel superior, I think.


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Again... There Is No Pro-Obama Bias on MSNBC. http://thedailybanter.com/2012/12/there-is-no-pro-...

Get back to me when Fox has Dennis Kucinich host a 3 hr morning program. Joe the coffee man was a Gingrich soldier for his contract on America! And, when I try to watch it....who is all I see?? Michael Steele! Arghh...if this is "liberal", I need an xanax!


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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Come! Let us reason together said the serpent to the mouse.”

As a mouse, I say: get thee behind me!

Or, as your/our/their God said: "I will put enmity between you."

It is done.


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junko 4 years ago Author

It is impossible to reason with the unreasonable. Jon seems like an angry white man, I hope he isn't disturbed too long.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

lovemychris

The talk on the tube is all about the ''fiscal cliff''. Fox News is number 1, showing past clips ( not edited like ABC) of candidate and President Obama from 2008-2012.One will never see these clips on the big 4 channels. One should open their eyes and ears to understand where this President comes from.

The Constitution is under attack, the President wants unlimited powers to increase the debt limits, wonder why? The US is not a dictatorship yet, Congress makes laws not the President

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31606...

http://commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature...

Why didn’t the mainstream media report


Mary Wells 3 years ago

Well written!! Good job explaining this Junko, thanks for enlightening us.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Shame on you for injecting racism in the discussion.

It's time to allow congressional members to do their job, debate, amend and vote on legislation in open and transparent government. Obama promised transparancy in 2008.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Thank you Mary for the encouraging words.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, no shame on me I got that terminology from fox news. Thats how Foxs news described Romney voters after the election. Your comments to my guest seems angry, your persona appears to be that of a white man. Iam a black man and have heard the term angry black man and didn't take it to be racism, to me it is a description. I have been the victim of racism and its a verb not a noun. Don't be a thin skin truth fighter, Jon.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon, I am sorry to burst some of your bubbles but you are wrong on so many different points. Fox News, has been losing rating power. The following was pointed out by 'Mark- News Corpse and Ratings' ;

This is beginning to be something of a trend. Last week MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell crushed their Fox News competition – again. The week-long average for Maddow in the 25-54 demographic was 378,000, vs. Sean Hannity’s 352,000. O’Donnell bested Greta Van Susteren 359,000 to 245,000.

Now, as far as editing, my friend- again, Fox News was notorious for snipping and clipping! I especially love the one where Michelle Bachmann was having a Anti Health Care Rally in November of 2009. The footage, however, I believe was first pointed out by Jon Stewart as having a lot of inconsistencies for being in November and looking a helluva lot like the footage from the Glenn Beck Rally 2 months earlier. Hannity stated there were darn near 20,000 attendees when the news media asked the local police they stated it was very close to 4,000. Hannity did admit, soon after the airing of The Daily Show that he made a mistake with the footage. Oh and then there was the one where an anchor reported in November 2009, that a Sarah Palin book signing in Grand Rapids, Michigan had a massive turnout and even showed the footage of Palin with a large crowd. The anchor noted that the former Republican vice-presidential candidate is "continuing to draw huge crowds while she's promoting her brand-new book", adding that the images being shown were "some of the pictures just coming in to us.... The lines earlier had formed this morning." The video was actually taken from a 2008 McCain/Palin campaign rally. Fox offered an on-air apology the following day during the same "Happening Now" segment citing regrets for what they described as a "video error" with no intent to mislead.

Then there was the time where Obama was trying to make the point (in Roanoke, Virginia) that small businesses, any business- get help along the way- be it education, research, technology, etc. He stated, "“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else did that.” there of course was more but Fox News decided to end it. Boehner got in to the pile along with Rush baby. They screeched, "FOUL! How could the President hate our country, not know about small business???!! Then Fox, sat back and roasted their marshmallows in the fire...Except, again, I believe Jon Stewart showed the whole speech. OOps. Not only that, but Romney had stated about the same philosophy a week before!! Yikes. Romney had to catch up with the Fox News agenda and started echoing what Fox was saying about this ignorant President that is not a business person.

Now, I could go on, but I am too tired. Fox News is becoming a caricature of itself. MSNBC is liberal bent, I get that, but they at least are honest about it. I still remember Chris Wallace telling a guest on his show, "I want to tell the other side of the story" , but - it may have been Jon, said- but why don't you tell the truth? Why are there sides?

As far as race, my friend, sad to say- this election as well as Obama's first- has had racial discrimination written all over it. Comments have been made, innuendos have been made- the Republicans have tried to say Obama has taken the great memories away from us- the 1950's where all was good with the world, all was Leave it to Beaver and Father Know Best. Well , I don't know about you but from what I read about the 50's life was not without murder, drugs, and global unrest.

They have tried to pin terrorism, birther issues, law school grades, law licenses, etc on this guy. Why wasn't any past president held under the same scope? There were some racial lingo out there- no one wants to admit and they certainly want to cast shadows on their rhetoric. Just look at their quotes- Jon-count the times they tried to say that blacks were the discriminating race in this election, they picked on this President's wife-more than Hillary, they judged every guest in the White House when Bush had some questionable guests as it were, etc., etc. I could go on, but I won't. I guess I have learned that Fox News is like Scientology- facts and beliefs no longer have to be founded....


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

I read your whole post, political news reporting from all sides is like a musical for one to decide the merits of the music.So you really do watch Fox News like every one does. FOR GOOD INFORMATION try C-Span and Fox News on Saturday mornings, a lot of great talk on the truth.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Irish Shrew, based on Jon comment he is in total agreement with your comment. He will not openly agree, but if he don't attack he can't disagree and not appear disagreeable. Thanks for that comment.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Hey Junko! Ya, Jon just wants a hug. I love musicals!


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junko 3 years ago Author

Yes Irish, Jon is a 24-7 caregiver these days and a good liberal hug could be what the doctor order for him. Ithink he is a good man.


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jantamaya 3 years ago from UK

Great place for political discussion here. Obama is an outstanding president and history will show it. By the way, I've never seen any president of the US where so many obstacles were thrown in his political way (maybe Clinton had also many obstacles; however, he was stumbling over his own feet, or better said Monika Lewinsky's feet - but Obama inherited enormous problems from Bush).


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junko 3 years ago Author

Thank you jantamaya, for the encouraging words and your input. I will visit soon and sit and talk..


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

jantamaya

''Obama inherited enormous problems from Bush''

4 YEARS LATER. has Obama made things better or worst?

OBAMA’S National Debt Crisis ’Cut, Cap and Balance ‘’bill that was sent to the Senate on July 19,2011

http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-...

Barak Obama Campaign Promises

.http://hubpages.com/politics/barakobamacampaignpro...

''Obama is an outstanding president and history will show it.'' The next 4 years will tell the story.

2/13/10 Pay Go Law

The President lied?

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

Senator Coburn reports 9 million ways to balance the budget CUT WASTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

Looking forward to his next 4 years.


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junko 3 years ago Author

jon, please don't bother the lady, with your links. She is not political, she just have an opinion about the President. I support the President, talk to me, but send no links.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

A LINK IS like a picture, it tells a better story. Please no offense to those in the know.

Have a great day and a properous NEW YEAR.

PS the lady can speak for herself.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, links are like photoshopping, you can always find or fix one to suit your purpose. The lady just wanted to express herself, not to be sold a bill of goods by someone reading her mail. PS I think links are ok in arguments but not conversations. Happy New Year to you and yours.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''find or fix one to suit your purpose.'' Which one is so called fixed and what is suiting MY purpose, can you explain the comment?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon: The first two links were your older Obama Rants, with is self promoting and to suit your purpose. The other two supported the Right's agenda and show a video that expressed the opinions of people you don't know but also supported your purpose. I don't use links to support my opinions, I just try to tell it like I see it and look to be corrected. We don't have to see things the same way to be Americans. Iam not angry with you because we don't agree, I respect your right to be wrong. and mine also.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

What is my purpose in your humble opinion?

The links are the truth of the substance.If they are incorrect, please point out.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Are you boys still at it? LOL. Hope all had a fantastic Holiday Season!

I'm a grandmother!!!! She weighed in at 6lb. and has an Irish name-Keira!! Sorry, I am so blatant in my bragging....


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junko 3 years ago Author

Congradulations, Irish Shrew. Now you got a reason to play in the sand and go to Disneyland and ride the small boats in Small World. WELCOME KEIRA, sorry, no shouting she is sleeping.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, in my humble opinion your purpose here on hubpages is to warn and show why President Obama shouldn't have been President and reelected for a second term. We know that there is and has been since the President was a child a spending problem in the Federal Government. Austerity practiced in social and not corporate, business, and defense entitlements is too onesided. I wonder why This Presidency is being forced to deal with this problem that was not caused by this President. It is said that he didn't cause the problem but he made it worst. The teaparty republicans applied the emergency brakes on the Federal Government's ability to help the helpless unless the rich and powerful were untouched. Our disagreement is in problems and solutions.The far right is wrong and their solutions are death sentences for the low and underclass. Thats my Opinion.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Thanks Junko! I wrote a whole explanation about Jon's 'pictures' in the way of links but my computer stalled, than froze, and took it all away. If Jon would like to hear my idea on his links, I will rewrite but sadly I invested an hour on it and now have to get to bed for work! I can rewrite but only if he cares to listen to my definition of what is true and what is not so true when reading someone else's comments and/or editorials. They are not so much a picture of a true story but rather the story-telling of someone's own idea of the topic at hand.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

HAPPENS MANY TIMES especially if you use something a hub editor or a programmed word is used. If you would have approved posting my post, junko too could have made a response. The link are just another side of the TRUTH. Sorry if you were upset, looking forward to your reply.

When that happens use your word processor to draft the post, it will give you the control to amend and spell check , than paste on reply

Jon E


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, junko did respond. A true response is not always the truth, it is always an opinion. We all are entitled to an opinion with a right to be wrong.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

The president may not be a lawmaker, but this president has unilaterally issued over 140 executive orders in less than 4 years.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Imagine how his Presidency would has been without executive orders. A Do-Nothing Congress and a Senate with record numbers of filibusters. Imagine if he told the house or senate about his plans for Bin Laden.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Ya, thanks Jon, I usually do just that but if it's all there (in my head) I just free write. The problem? my internet AND my keyboard. I guess I will go back to using WORD, 100% of the time if I want to keep my sanity!


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Imagine how his Presidency would has been without executive orders"

yes, we can dream. Sigh.

We'd all have a lot more money in our pockets.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''A true response is not always the truth,'' I only deal with the truth.

Wake up America,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/paygo_description/

All told, the fiscal cliff law designed to reduce the deficit, added $74 billion in spending through changes in the tax law.

Last night, Congress just added $70 billion worth of new loopholes.

12/26/12

Full Text: Treasury Says U.S. to Hit Debt Limit Monday

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/interactive/...

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA’S National Debt Crisis ’Cut, Cap and Balance ‘’bill that was sent to the Senate on July 19,2011

http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-...

The President and the Senate talk but no action.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

It is frustrating to lose after an hour to write and lose. Usually the repost is much MORE to the point. To calm myself, I tell myself that what I wrote was garbage.

''I can rewrite but only if he cares to listen to my definition of what is true and what is not so true when reading someone else's comments and/or editorials.''

Please take the time to tell me if I posted something in error. In the 3 years writing, I have had only 3 request to make corrective comments, they were correct to point it out.

A suggestion, on my post, if you don’t allow them, please have the courtesy to respond simply with thanks for comment or???? I respect your prerogative to deny.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp, I expected a more responsive comment about a do nothing congress and a filibustering senate having an effect on the number of executive orders by the President. Your response lack substance and courage to define your original comment about executive order use by the President. This comment makes you appear petty and you are bigger than that, I think. "We'd all would have a lot more money in our pockets" Who are the "We" you are refering to in your bottom line?


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''about a do nothing congress and a filibustering senate'' THAT'S A LOADED STATEMENT.

House passed 40Jobs bills and have sent them to the Senate http://www.majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

The House has passed a budget, the Senate 0 in 4 years President Obama’s Fiscal Cliff Plan “Balance” not true

http://www.speaker.gov/general/president-obama-s-f...

National Debt Crisis ’Cut, Cap and Balance ‘’bill that was sent to the Senate on July 19,2011

http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-...

12/01.11

Senate Democrats Vote No To Extend The Payroll Tax Deduction

http://hubpages.com/politics/SenateDemocratsVoteNo...

Wake up America,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/paygo_description/

CASE CLOSED!


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, there is one truth and countless lies and one right way and many wrong ways. You are awesome and wonderfull to only deal with the truth and know all lies. I must respect that truth..


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junko 3 years ago Author

A LOADED STATEMENT, c'mon man. I heard that somewhere before, you parrot then you pass out talking point links as the truth and nothing but the truth. How is the statement loaded?


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

'' know all lies'', no I don't know ALL the lies,I will tell you that our President does lie as many have before.Today Obama is not telling the truth, many times over he simply states something that is the opposite in what he is actually doing.http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...


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junko 3 years ago Author

It is hard to talk to a far right conservative. I ask where you are going and you tell me where you've been. I don't blame the President for talking to the American people and not Teaparty Republicans. I ask you about your claim that my statement was loaded and you parrot and passed out a link.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

First allow me to tell you that I am an indepedant, my only cause is that right is right and wrong is wrong. I post a link only not to burden your hub.Yes, it's ALL about the truth, nothing less nothing more.The President is who he is except what you see is not what you get.On Jan. 20,2013 he will give a speech.There will the same old stuff about what he promised in 2008. The truth is that his administration will have spent $5.6 trillion of tax payer money with little to show. In march the National Debt debate will be another crisis. The House has balanced budgets and solved the national debt crisi in 2011.PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA’S National Debt Crisis ’Cut, Cap and Balance ‘’bill that was sent to the Senate on July 19,2011

http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-...


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Hey Jon, thanks for the insight. I will address a few concerns I have with the latest dialogue you are having. I honestly can't remember a time in history when a parties' rhetoric was so divided, so volatile that people were dropping their jaws in the inaccuracies thrown at a U.S. President.

Let's focus on some of your assertions; you speak of President Obama's 5.6 Trillion with little to show. Let's do this-let's look at facts, but not from questionable sources. Not MSNBC-not Fox News or Conservative Chicago links. Let's check with Forbes.

They declare Obama the smallest governmental spender since Eisenhower. They also remind all of us voters that the Republicans were cunning in their persuasive condemnation of Obama in his first year. What the Republicans didn't want you to know :

"The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office."

Now, according to Market Watch -In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion.

I wish, Jon, you would understand Obama doesn't have an 'agenda' . I honestly believe that he is trying to right some wrongs-he doesn't have motivation in saving the upper class-because they don't need it! That is why he is the 'bad guy' designed by Fox News. I prefer to think for myself. Never have I heard such conspiracy theorists in my life. This President has been misquoted, misrepresented, and misinterpreted more than any of his predecessors. I have not agreed with all that he is done. I haven't agreed with all my employers have done- so? He is making decisions for We the People. Not big business, not gun manufactures, and the like. Jon, look at your history, research the FDR years. You HAVE to build a strong middle class in order to give birth to a strong economy.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

Allow me to respond.

1 ''in the inaccuracies thrown at a U.S. President.''

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/09/study-c...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/partial-list-taxes-...

http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Obama-General-M... taxpayers could lose $ 25 billion on the deal, that's a poor investment with our money

http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Obama-

http://hubpages.com/politics/SenateDemocratsVoteNo...

5/25/12 ‘’THE TRUTH’’ PRESIDENTIAL SPENDING per a Treasury Dept. report

Barak Obama $9.7billion /day , George Bush $6.8 billion/day and Clinton $ 4.1 billion/day

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/27610...

9/28/12

Obama’s Deficit Dodge

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-do...

'President has been misquoted, misrepresented, and misinterpreted more than any of his predecessors. ''

Not when you see a clip from the past and now in the present.NONEof the mainstream media will ever show the comparison, Fox News and sometimes CNN .'

If you see a misquote please expose it, not only for me but for other hubbers.These links are but a few.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"This President has been misquoted, misrepresented, and misinterpreted more than any of his predecessors."

Does your cable service offer MSNBC?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, The debt crissis was manufactured to make Obama a one term president. America and Capitalism controls the world's economy. Capitalism is an economic concept that was made in America. Before America would allow Capitalism to fail the rules of game would change.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Umm...nicomp? If you read my comments thoroughly you would have read my statement not to rely on questionable sources ; 'fox and msnbc' what that means is- I don't watch either one. Let's say I produce, write, and direct MSNBC- what does that have any thing to do with the fact that the President is misquoted, misrepresented, and misinterpreted by others? One media outlet doesn't cancel out the other. They are both trying to tell you how to think. I prefer thinking on my own.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

'' debt crissis was manufactured '', WHO accomplished that in your comment.The government spending more than what comes in is a crisis. Private businesses go out of business, people lose their jobs and business owners lose their investments.

The House solved the crisis in 2011, the Senate did nothing.


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junko 3 years ago Author

The Republican-teaparty and far right conservatives(Independents) like yourself Jon manufactured this self inflicked crissis. It was done to deny funding for Obamacare and tax revenue to fund the Obama Presidency. There was an attempt to make sure no revenues came in, so the Government would have nothing to spend on job creation, which cause a crissis for the American people and the Federal and State Governments. Some Republican State Governors refused Federal funding which cause a crissis in some states. You know what happened Jon, you just want to know if I know also.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Barak ''I'' Obama said yesterday that he will not negotiate with the Republicans. Obama IS THE PRESIDENT,in his mind he believes that he can dictate to Congress. That's not how our government and Constitution works.

Your rendition of what is happening in Congress needs a little more research as to the truth.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''There was an attempt to make sure no revenues came in,'' There was an attempt to make sure no revenues came in,

11/28/11

House passed 40 Jobs bills and have sent them to the Senate for LEGISLATION action .

Obama or Reid telling the truth?

http://www.majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

Fiscal Cliff, WHY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

Wake up America,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/paygo_description/

http://hubpages.com/politics/barakobamacampaignpro...

The President lied? 2010

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

ALL TRUE , not whitehouse and mainstream media propaganda


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, you said you were not a Republican, you said you were an independent. Are you a right wing conservative or a member of the Teaparty? I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from politically.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Why is it hard to understand who I am and who I represent in the hub world, not the political world of politics.I stand for all those who fight for good against evil in this troubled world of today.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, I respect your station and stand in life and on hubpages we are simular and alike in more ways than we know, being fellow Americans. I understand you to be a 24/7 caregiver, which is a heavy, but noble burden full of personal sacrifice. I wish for you peace of mind and acceptance of things you cannot change. It's not hard to understand who you are, you are Jon Ewall a man who says he fight for good over evil. I was just trying to understand your views of the President.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''understand your views of the President'' There is an old saying that you are not judged by what you think but by what you say and your actions.I am familiar with the kind of people that our President associates with and with the motivations of his actions. What you see and hear is not what you get, sad to say.He is our President for another 4 years and was elected by majority vote of the people.His worst attribution is that he distorts the truth.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, Since the begining of man's time on earth he has distorted the truth, Presidents are not acceptions to that fact. His story has always been written in distorted forms to lift up the victor and put down conquered. Even you and I are guilty of saying things that support our beliefs, which are distorted and changed in time and space as we wise up. Time always reveals distortions. Lets hope the President don't fail and become wiser with time.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

And WHO, Jon, is the "President associating with?" that bothers you? You have quoted Republican media, you have added links to Conservative Blogs and Radio. Never did I hear of these conspiracy theorists when Clinton was in office. What makes this President different? The man has had to prove his citizenship, his grades, his degree, etc. Why? People have had him Muslim, anti-religion, Socialist, Elitist, tyrannical, etc. Hell they showed a picture of Stalin and Hitler as well as a picture of our President? What citizen of these United Stated could ever do such a thing- associate him with maniacal killers of innocent children and their parents-because of ethnicity ? When George W. Bush made a plea to our Nation regarding 9-11 and the Intel he received- I bought it, like many Democrats and Republicans, we needed to protect our country, we needed to stay the course...what we didn't know was how horrible we were being played. The agendas that were being met. We were sacrificing our own children for oil, for an agenda designed long, long ago that had nothing to do with 9-11 or all of its heroes.

Do me a favor, Jon? look at Jon Stewart for just one time. You have referred us to all of the Republican links you can- view Jon Stewart's Daily Show for the night of 1-17-2019 and watch the agenda of NRA, the Republican politicians that have hidden agendas, the NRA's power over all of us citizens and the lies. Please do this for yourself. Jon even condemns Democrats when needed! Watch a few of his videos. He has no tolerance for liars. He nails our President for mistakes as well as unearthing discrepancies on what is reported. Try it. You'll like it.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Irish Shrew, you are a voice of reason, I hope you are heard by those who have ears to hear and the unreasonable and get a positive response.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

You know Junko, I am getting tired. When an organization feels comfortable questioning this President's children getting security! Jesus, every President, every First Lady, all of their children- have had Secret Service protection for years and years. They are obviously prime targets for kidnapping as well as a sniper's scope. But maybe it's just THIS President. President Kennedy, Ford, Nixon, Carter, Bush.....they had more precious- children. How is it that this President has to endure so much more than the rest?Everyone is comfortable questioning his religion, his ethnicity, values, and now his families protection? I'm actually getting my belly full of this...I can only fathom how he is feeling. Stupid special interests and hate. I'm ashamed for the first time in my life that I'm an American. To hell with those 20 beautiful babies that were slaughtered. To hell with the rest of our rights as American citizens. Special interest groups care for no one but lining their pockets with gold and continuing their agendas. Who is worse? The NRA or the blithering idiots that are drinking the Kool-aide and protecting them all in the name of the Second Amendment. Ya, what a horrible President we have, what an uncaring, out of touch, narcissistic fool. God, we would be SO much better off with the warm, caring, compassionate, and fair President Romney. ....


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

wow " The President speaks with forked tongue, I have witnessed it, in the flesh. Check these links and comment on each, if you will.

NOT THE US GOVERNMENT WE USED TO KNOW

http://commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html

Congressional Progressive Caucus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progres...

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.a...

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31606...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature...

the last 2 have already been censored by ???


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon, my love, your links are redundant. You have quoted Conservative links multiple times. Wikipedia is really an ever-changing prisoner to whomever contributes; liberty news online is Conservative ....it's kind of like a policeman saying: " We don't know what kind of man we are dealing with, so let's ask his ex-wife." Please drop Fox News from you playlist. It REALLY is a joke.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew 11

You are a lost soul, I will hope for you to come down into this world. Sat morning on Fox , just finishing watching the morning shows (4) to see the debate of real people, not lieing politians. Please give me the rundown of all those Fox programs that discuss you. How about your list,I would like to compare.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

hubbers

Civic 101: the President is Not A Lawmaker

3/17/13

finding the truth.

SEQUESTRATION IS THE OBAMA PLAN. The Republicans have a simple solution:

1.CUT WASTE in gov. FIRST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

2.FISCAL CLIFF, why? 2/13/10 Pay Go Law

The President lied? Follow the law

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...

3.The House passed their 2012 budget in Feb as require by House rules.

Where are the jobs? Check this site. http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

Reid wouldn’t allow a vote. Meaning the President don’t need to do anything.

2/14/13

Having It All for Free: 19 Things Obama Says Won’t Add to Deficit

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/02/havin...

To be continued?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The Republicans have a simple solution:

1.CUT WASTE in gov. FIRST"

Nonsense. Bohener and his minions happily spent billions we didn't have when Bush was president. Dems and Repubs all live to create more government and spend more money.


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junko 3 years ago Author

" Cut government waste " Does that mean to cut government subsidies for business and corporate America along with social programs? Does that term include investigation and elimination of corporate and business fraud and corruption along with the corruption in the underclass? Private sector and public sector welfare should be cut, private more than public by creating a war on corruption, to cut waste.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

LET'S START HERE GOVERNMENT WASTE, the past 5 years, the Social Security Trust fund has paid $400 billion to dead federal employees.

Renewable energy money still going abroad, despite criticism from Congress

http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investig...

Obama’s Deficit Dodge

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-do...

There is nore, listen to Senator Coburn, he found $9 trillion, BO is seeking $1.2 in 10 years, the joker knows?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, "The social security Trust Fund has paid over $400 billions to dead federal employees" and might I add, live senators , congressmen, Presidents and their dependents and staff. The US Post Office, the Underclass route to the middle class is the only Federally mandated paid up front retirement system in the Federal Government.. Now... what do you say about that, Jon. I don't think the President would have needed to spend to stimulate the economy or need to spend more to get the Nation out of this Republican made Recession, if the surplus was handled fiscally responsiblely. You insist on letting links do your talking I hope you have discernment in what you read and hear so you can have variety in concepts.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''to get the Nation out of this Republican made Recession,''Wake up jUNKO,the recession started in Dec. 2007 only 11 months after the Democrats took majority control of Congress. The recession officially ended in June 2009 with a super majority Congress and the Presidency.Since Jan. 2007 up to the present(2013), the Democrats have controlled 2/3s of the government.

Check it out and think about it, whitehouse.gov is feeding the people political brain food.


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junko 3 years ago Author

C'mon Jon the recession didn't start in December 2007, it started after Clinton left a surplus and Bush and Chaney took office in 2000. The Recession has not ended because you can't cut your way out of a recession, you can spend money in a constructive way, as was done during the Great Depression. History has showned spending to stimulate the economy work and cutting don't stimulate the economy in an economic downturn. Democrats don't control two thirds because the Teaparty has injected obstructionism in two thirds of the Government and the President stands alone. You check it out Jon, there is no such thing as Whitehouse Government.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

OUR GOVERNMENT CONSIST OF 3 BRANCHES . The executive (President), Congress ( the Senate and the House) and the judicial branch.

When I refer to 2/3s MEANING THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE.No law can be made without the approval of ALL of the 3 offices. a GREAT THING,checks and balances. Since 2007-2013 , the Democrats have controlled our government including spending, spending more money than coming in, DEFICIT SPENDING.Just a thought, wonder how long one could be doing that without going bankrupt.

check these links and open the door to knowledge.

Obama’s Deficit Dodge

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-do...

2/19/13 SEQUESTRATION WAKE UP AMERICA

The President blaming Republicans are lies The Democrat Senate has not voted..

A solution CUT WASTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-...


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Ok, Jon, Let's be real about this. I don't read overly partisan blogs, editorials, or even media outlets in gaining insight on my political news and reviews. I like objective web sites, media, and editorials. I like to think for myself. Now having said this, try poltifact. Sometimes their reviews hurt, sometimes they don't. But they tell the facts whether you are ready to hear the news or not. Read this:

Now let's look at the notion that "the economy began its nose dive when Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007."

For the first four quarters of the newly Democratic Congress -- the four quarters of 2007 -- the annualized GDP growth rates were, in order, 1.2 percent, 3.2 percent, 3.6 percent and 2.1 percent. Each quarter showed positive growth, and the average for those four quarterly figures was 2.5 percent -- not much lower than the average growth during the previous 54 months.

Officially, the recession started in December 2007. In the first quarter of 2008, GDP fell by seven-tenths of 1 percent. It rebounded briefly to 1.5 percent growth in the second quarter of 2008, then got really rocky in the third quarter of 2008. During that quarter and the following two, GDP fell by 2.7 percent, 5.4 percent and 6.4 percent, respectively. If you date the "nose dive" to the first quarter of 2008 -- the earliest quarter with negative growth -- that was a full year after the Democratic takeover.

And if you compare each quarter of 2006 (the last under GOP control) to the equivalent quarter of 2007 (the first under Democratic control), the pattern does not always favor the GOP. In both the first and fourth quarters, the 2006 level of growth under the GOP exceeded the 2007 level of growth under the Democrats. But in the second and third quarters, the Democrats did better in 2007 than the GOP did in 2006.

We asked an ideological cross-section of economists what they thought of Foxx's claim.

Karen Campbell, a macroeconomics policy analyst with the conservative Heritage Foundation, said that in her view, "no statistical causation between political party in power and economic growth was established" by Foxx's statement. Measured by economic growth, "the economy did not technically begin a nose dive when the Democrats took over."

Economist Gary Burtless of the liberal Brookings Institution wonders what Foxx would say if the shoe were on the other foot.

"The longest post-World-War-II business expansion ended in March 2001, one and a half months after a Republican Administration took office," Burtless said. "That new Republican administration also had the good fortune to have a House of Representatives and, at first, a Senate that was controlled by the same party. According to Rep. Foxx’s reasoning, the recession that began after March 2001 must have been 'caused' by the political change-over in control of the White House. Of course, I think this reasoning is specious, but it is equally ludicrous to claim that the recession which began in January 2008 was 'caused' by a change in political control of Congress that took place in January 2007."

Most of the economists we spoke to agreed that the recession was caused most directly by long-term trends, especially a bust in housing prices and high energy prices, rather than by political factors.

"The Democrats can be blamed for setting the economy on a bubble-driven path in the 1990s, but the Republicans cannot escape blame for continuing this path and allowing an even larger and more dangerous bubble to develop in the first decade of the 21st century," said Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research. "Is Rep. Foxx claiming that if we just left the Republicans in control, the housing bubble would still be growing so that we would have an even greater disaster to look forward to at the point when it finally collapsed?"

Alan Reynolds, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, said that it's conceivable that fear of the Democratic takeover could have spooked the financial markets and pushed the economy into a recession by depressing household wealth, bank capital and the ability of firms to raise funds in equity markets. In reality, though, the Dow Jones Industrial average actually rose from about 12,100 just before Election Day 2006 -- when the Democrats took back the House and Senate -- to a high of 13,930 in October 2007, which was 10 months after the Democrats took control of Congress. (The Dow then fell precipitously until early 2009.)

"Anyone who tries to link the ups and downs in business to something happening in D.C. is obligated to explain what it is that happened," Reynolds said. "Otherwise, it's likely random luck. Politicians are not as important as they like to think they are."


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

''I like objective web sites, media, and editorials. I like to think for myself''' Today it sometimes is difficult getting thru media propaganda. The media reports distorted and bias reports on what occurs in the political world.If you're free on sat. mornings check out the programs on Fox news. Your comments on the credibility of the conversations would be of interest.I enjoyed the post.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Thanks for the civics lesson, Jon. I don't want to read the things you read and have only the thoughts created from a one sided view. I thank you for caring enough about me being as knowledgeable as you are that you offer me links to your knowledge. I rather seek a Liberal Arts type political view and see and consider all things. But...thats just me. I would rather talk to you and not at you. Your dialog don't address what I say to you, but I still thank you for stopping by and talking, Brother. Jon.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon, my love, I thank you for your candor. However, I cannot stand another minute of Fox News! But I tell you what. I will check out a Saturday morning, if you will check out a Rachael Maddow documentary on Iraq War called...Hubris Selling The Iraq War. Please do yourself a great favor by viewing it. I will stick to my deal by watching another Fox News episode/agenda on a Saturday A.M program. Please comment immediately on your thoughts after this documentary.....I will wait..


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junko 3 years ago Author

Ma Ma, has Keira been a Blessing for you and Pa Pa? Have you had the time to spend time, I hope so. I think Jon is leaning tee nucee to the left side of right, lol


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

TODAY 2/21/13,. the special ran on Mon. ‘’ Presidents day’’. On occasion I have watched a bit of Rachael’s show, Ed’s too. Google the Iraq war and found an interesting link

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-03/iraq-w...

Iraq War Lives on as Second-Costliest U.S. Conflict Fuels Debt

The war is officially over, all the mistakes by our government is now history. The article compared the cost of the war with the Obama/ Democrat Congress stimulus bill ( present history). There are differences in the actions of the Bush administration and the Obama administration regarding the actions of both Presidents. Bush presented his case to Congress, Congress bought it and voted to go forward ( according to the Constitution).I wrote 2 articles about the actions in Egypt and Libya.

Yes, there is a difference in the actions of our Presidents. http://hubpages.com/politics/TheEgyptianPeopleDema...

http://hubpages.com/politics/PresidentBarakObama-A...

Obama stimulus $1 trillion 4 years -deficit $1.2 trillion+/year

Bush tarp $700 billion * 8years $ 600 billion * tarp money has been paid back plus interest

Everything in politics depends on how one decides on who is right and who is wrong. Funny that’s what makes the world go around.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Hey Junko! Keira is doing fine. It's funny how grand babies are so much easier to raise than their parents!!

Jon...ok, what? I know I have flu brain right now but are you dismissing Bush's lies, Rumsfeld's lies for...well Congress bought the lies so that is HISTORY? Tell that to the :

Private Contractors in Iraq, Working in Support of US Army Troops - More than 180,000 in August 2007, per TheNation.com..

Journalists killed - 150, 98 by murder and 52 by acts of wa

Iraqi Police and Soldiers Killed - 10,125, as of July 31, 2011

Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - On October 22, 2010, ABC News reported "a secret U.S. government tally that puts the Iraqi (civilian) death toll over 100,000," information that was included in more than 400,000 military documents released by Wikileaks.com.

The Republicans are REALLY dismissing this as; well you swallowed the fodder you are the fool. AND trying to equate the U.S. soldiers buried- to the economic fight the Republicans are placing Obama?

These are sad times if that is true. The American Republican party, it's supporters, are so prejudiced, so hateful, so bitter that they are willing to sacrifice the middle class, the poor, and the elderly in gaining a victory at stonewalling this president. Shame on you, shame on your party. This will do nothing but bode ill will toward your elections. Your party is nothing like I grew up with. I voted Republican in local elections. I no longer feel comfortable in doing so. You have become a bitter, narrow minded group of citizens I don't recognize. Good luck, you will need it.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

''I will stick to my deal by watching another Fox News episode/agenda on a Saturday A.M program'' Did you keep the deal?

''Republican party, it's supporters, are so prejudiced, so hateful, so bitter that they are willing to sacrifice the middle class, the poor, and the elderly in gaining a victory at stonewalling this president.''

I just posted an article that will give one a different perspective of what the Republicans have tried to accomplish since jan. 2011. Blaming the Republicans and believing the distortions of the PRESIDENT IS A SAD AFFAIR.

2/22/13

Obama’s sequester deal-changer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodwar...

It is apparent that your sources for information lack the truth about Washington and the President. Let’s not forget that the Democrats have controlled 2/3s our government since 2007 up to the present. The 1/3 ( Republican House) of the government is working in spite of the Senate’s obstructionism and the President’s distortions of the truth. The Obama Administration credibility has been exposed. For many ‘’ the bubble ‘’ has been broken and what is being exposed is the TRUTH.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

My dear Jon. My 'sources' are Politifact and Snopes.com which are unbiased, factual sites that want to discredit ALL lies. Politifact even uses a 'Truth-O'meter' in dispelling fact from fiction. Even- in between. I mean BOTH parties assertions. You habitually quote and refer us to sites that are blatantly Republican/Conservative biased sites. You have also referred us to your summations from the aforementioned sites. This then becomes less a debate but rather a one sided discussion that is coated in bias propaganda. Much like Fox News. They have become an unapologetic propaganda machine for the right and all of it's elected officials. You see, I have never worked so hard at providing legitimate information more than with this President. He has been questioned not only for his policies but his religion, his degrees, and his associations. Why do you think this is true? Race is never mentioned. But I'm mentioning it now. His wife is attacked more than any wife of an office holder of any state, of any country. Why? I am disappointed with my country more than any time in my life. The right have conjured up conspiracies where there are none, policies that are untrue, agendas that are non-existent. Currently there is more time on television stations devoted to gossip style reporting than any other resident of Pennsylvania Avenue. You mentioned, at one time, a supposed liberal media. Those 'reporters' are so scared that they will be perceived as liberal that they go out of their way at attacking the candidate, the office holder, and the author of the political piece-over the fire; i.e. David Gregory of Meet The Press. You want to see bias reporting? Look back at the Bush years and how the media gave him a free pass during Iraq War. There were no questions asked....


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

''I will stick to my deal by watching another Fox News episode/agenda on a Saturday A.M program''

How did you enjoy the debates between the guest, did you learn anything that was of interest?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, Its been a minute since Irish Shrew passed this way. She has a new to do with her new Grandchild. Since we follow each other she can read my mail and see your, shout out.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Sorry guys, what did I miss? had some health issues. Missed you guys. I'm ready for some nasty, heart pumping politico......how have you been?


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

''I'm ready for some nasty, heart pumping politico'' START ON THE 2014 BUDGET. Obama submits his budget on wed.to Congress.The battle begins.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Irish Shrew, I don't think you missed much from Capitol Hill, they been on another recess. Here, Jon and I have been about finding agreement where we can and understanding how our opinions have no clout on the Hill. I am glad you are healthy again, The Creator is not finish with you yet and will be with you during your ups and downs.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Hey Junko and Jon? are you still kicking? I keep getting a message that this forum is old??


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junko 3 years ago Author

Irish Shrew, thats interesting. I wasn't aware of messages that declared hubs too old to recieve comments. In short, what is the message?


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Catching up to some old hubs.EVERY TIME I open your hub I see ''Political View from the Underclass'', that bothers me since NO ONE should be considered an underclass in our great nation.The classes are there only because of ones desires in life, my friend.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

@JON EWALL : "political underclass" is pandering. It's an excuse to fail, a reason to stand down, an explanation of nebulous external forces conspiring outside of your control to ruin your life.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, my good friend on the right I will try to explain Political views from the Underclass. The underclass or “The Great Unwashed” of olden days has no lobbyist on Capitol Hill. The Underclass is a larger class then the low, middle, or high class of Americans, economically speaking. The underclass includes, but isn’t limited to the permanently and recently unemployed, the poor and very poor, those on fixed income, so low that they don’t pay income taxes, the physically and mentally disabled, these days the 47%ers is another word used to describe the underclass. I am now a member of the Underclass these days of my life. Politics, gun rights, taxes, healthcare etc, are very important to the underclass and I offer political views for and by an underclass member in plain and easy to understand words.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The underclass or “The Great Unwashed” of olden days has no lobbyist on Capitol Hill."

Nonsense.

"The underclass includes, but isn’t limited to the permanently and recently unemployed, the poor and very poor, those on fixed income, "

Hilarious.

" Politics, gun rights, taxes, healthcare etc, are very important to the underclass"

and you speak for the entire class? Wow.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp, WOW!, HILAROUS!, NONSENSE! your exact words. Its ironic that your own words define your comment. Don't put your words in place of my words. I didn't say I speak for the entire class. I claimed membership and a plain and simple view. Nonsense is what you and others use to confuse the issues. Don't speak with fork tongue.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

You missed the UNEDUCATED in the list that you believe are the under class. Who is to blame when in THE INNER CITY of Chicago , over half of our young do not finish school in the public school system.The leaders of our country say we need to spend more money for teachers to correct the problems.A teacher once said '' if we were paid more, we could teach better''

Poverty is the reward for not having an education.Poverty leads to corruption and prison.The President lacks CREDIBILITY?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/violence-gangs-scar.../united-jet-slips-runway-ny-no-injuries

FREE AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-11-28/news

It should be time that the black community wake up and try to stand on their own feet, they can do it.Taking government handouts is a disgrace if one is able to work and be independent.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Yes, Jon I didn’t mention the uneducated or the overeducated because they are in a class of their own. “It is time the Black community to wake up and try to stand on their own feet” I didn’t mention in my roll call for the underclass, the undereducated, and so let me add to your education. Just because I am a black man, when I speak of and for the underclass, THEY are not just Black people. The Majority of the underclass in America is White. I live and a State that is full of underclass white people, but they are undereducated about the fact they are the 47%ers. Like you Jon, they think black people are the underclass. You hate the President, did you know more white people voted for him then black people. You mentioned in your comment inner city education also, now I know you are not undereducated about Capitalistic Fraud and Corruption, including Privatization of public schools. I am surprised you came out of that racial bag, Jon. I know you hate Obama, but I thought you had too much finesse to expose your bigot.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp and Jon Ewall it is time for Bigots to let their lights shine on the underclass. You two like to throw your bricks and run away. (Go into recess)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

junko , you did deign to speak for the entire class -- take a moment to re-read your own words:

" Politics, gun rights, taxes, healthcare etc, are very important to the underclass"

Evidently you think you know what is important to an entire class. Congratulations.

If you're still with me, and I doubt it, note that every sliver of your so-called underclass has lobbyists in Washington working very hard for them. Ever heard of the AARP? They go to bat for fixed-income senior citizens.

Ever heard of Medicaid? Millions are spent by lobbyists bent on increasing Medicaid spending.

The truth is out there. You can call me a Bigot (sic) all day long, it doesn't change the facts.

I know I am on the right track when The Left calls me names. Thanks!


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

'' bigot '' intolerant person, I am not in that class. I know who the President is and what he feels for the poor that he takes advantage of. I know community organizers and how they operate.I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

The President's administration has problems that the media has covered up for a long time.

3/10/12

The Obama's don't want this video to be seen in 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2s4tob5U8

EVERYTHING IN THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN FACT CHECKED

The President lacks CREDIBILITY???


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon, my friendon the right, what does it mean" This video has been fact check"? Does it mean the facts leads to the correct enterpretation of the facts, or dealer's choice. Can these facts be used to lift up and praise the President and First Lady by another dealer of these facts?


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Their is another side of the President that the press never showed the public.


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junko 3 years ago Author

There is another side of the speaker of the house and the minority leader of the senate that the press never show the public. I think the public is tired of the press and all the leading men in the Nation's Capitol claiming to be Law makers. The public wants decent jobs and not to be intertained 24/7/365 with OBAMA DRAMA!!! Reality TV News and Reality TV shows that is really staged for intertainment. Reality TV new is also staged to intertain and lead or mislead for political purpose.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

''OBAMA DRAMA'' he is the main man who needs to get his act together.Let's hope that everyone gets their JUST DO in running our government.Obama once said that '' the buck stops here '' REALLY


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junko 3 years ago Author

The problem with this country concerning the economy and jobs is the Republican Teaparty Obstructionism. Even you know thats is true even though YOU write what you know is wrong. I bet you speak with fork tonque so much you have confused yourself.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Law Makers should do their job so the President can do his job.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

This president is a lawmaker... he abrogated ObamaCare by delaying part of the legislation for a year.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The problem with this country concerning the economy and jobs is the Republican Teaparty Obstructionism. "

And thank God for it. The only way we are going to get smaller government is to obstruct the business of government, which is to pass laws. Less laws = more liberty.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The public wants decent jobs and not to be intertained 24/7/365 with OBAMA DRAMA!!! "

Sadly, the public believes that government will make them a job.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp, "Obama Drama" created by the Republican-Teaparty since the 2010 mid-term elections has been a 24/7/365 attempt to make Obama's Presidency a failure. This tactic has block job creation to create a need for food stamps, so President Obama can be labeled The Food Stamp President. If the Private sector job creators are more interested in offshore job creation because of cheaper labor cost, less regulation, and tax avoidence, the government is the only hope for American job seekers. What should be done with the poor and jobless millions. Should they starve, go to jail or hell, be killed, deported, or eaten.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, it's extremely important for you to realize that the federal government cannot create jobs. Any dollar they spend is a dollar confiscated from another citizen. You might want to read about the concept of "opportunity cost" in your handy economics text book.

You're also confused about the impact of regulation and cheap labor. Your party favors more regulation and labor that is paid above market rates: you guys helped drive the jobs offshore.

When you find yourself looking to the federal government as the last/only hope for "the poor", it's time to rethink your political affiliation.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp why is it extremely important for me to believe that the federal government cannot or should not create infrastructure jobs. The federal government not only could but should create jobs in an economic crissis. During the Great Depression the W.P.A. was created to employe millions of the unemployed. In that case the government saved the economy by employing the American people. The government spent money during an econmic downturn, if the government would have choose austerity capitalism wouldn't be the way of the world today. The Teaparty's fight to minimize the government and stop government economic stimulas, hiring, and the repairs of government infrastructure is extremely wrong headed. You might want to read about American economic history. Iam glad I know sugar from it and know better than the hogwash you preach. I hope you are not as misinformed as you speak. The government is the last hope for the poor. Political Affiliation is not the problem, The Teaparty is the problem. Bush was a man right or wrong, I don't know what to think about those lead by Cruz and Palin and those that follow. I guess you will bugout of this conversation also because you can't handle the truth


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"In that case the government saved the economy by employing the American people."

No, that deepened the depression.

"The Teaparty's fight to minimize the government and stop government economic stimulas, hiring, and the repairs of government infrastructure is extremely wrong headed. "

No, it's proper.

"Iam glad I know sugar from it and know better than the hogwash you preach"

No, your mind is closed. You're an ideologue.

"The government is the last hope for the poor."

That is so sad. Have you ever heard of The Red Cross, United Way, Goodwill, or The Catholic Church.

You have graphically illustrated the difference between liberal and conservative thought. Somehow you have been convinced that the government can solve all your problems. Somehow you believe that the same people who drove the Post Office into bankruptcy can provide you with health care.


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junko 3 years ago Author

The people that is trying to drive the Post Office into bankruptcy are conservatives. They are forcing the postal service to pay 75 years of employee benefits upfront which is an unprecedented demand in American employer history. The Red Cross, United Way, Goodwill, or the Catholic Church, don't offer employment and the benefits of being employed. These non-profits groups benefits from government grants, contributions, and tax breaks which without they cannot give temporary help to the poor. Every segment of Amercan life Business and Public is government dependent. Conservatives would have us to believe the only the poor need government help and corporate, banking, and farm entitlements also help the poor. Idealogues knows conservative hogwash when they hear it.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Have you ever asked a poor person for a job?


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junko 3 years ago Author

C'mon nicomp, you can be better then that question. Be original, don't talk like them.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

I'll assume that you have never asked a poor person for a job.

I would not want to be poor in your world -- the government is the last place to depend on. They can't create jobs without destroying other jobs -- I'm sure you didn't research "Opportunity Cost" as I asked you to do earlier. If you don't open your mind to thoughtfully consider both conservative and liberal thought you'll always be bitter. Hating the rich isn't going to improve your lot in life.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp, Iam not a hater of the rich, hate is an insane spirit that blocks understanding. I searched economics on About.Com with reference to opportunity cost. I found nothing related to my opinions discussed with you. In fact, the definitions given expressed the opportunity of simple choice of action absent numbers. Explicit and implicit opportunities dealing with numbers was also explained. You must tell me how opportunity of cost should enlighten me and improve my lot in life or the lot of the underclass. I studied Economics in college years ago and I understand Capitalism and it's relationship to the world economy, so please tell me whats your point related to our dialog. I have asked a poor person for a job many times but I didn't charge them to work for them.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"This president is a lawmaker... he abrogated ObamaCare by delaying part of the legislation for a year."

I'm still waiting for you to recant this article because your president has made himself a lawmaker. Of course, the media and Congress are complicit, but there you go.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp, do you have a personal problem engaging in constructive debate? I asked you about OPPORTUNITY COST. Your response is incoherent and off track. If you can't read and can only write, thats like you talk but don't listen. Iam still waiting for you to respond in a normal manner.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

... and I asked you to recant your position because Your President has shown himself to be a lawmaker. His behavior contradicts your thesis.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp, you oviously have found yourself in the same position as teaparty lawmakers. Your speak has been in the time of Obama Presidency based on hate and not facts so you can't stop talking non sense at this point. I just heard Cruz and he didn't stop talking his non sense either but he said he won't block the Senate vote. So you won't explain your incoherent speak unless I recant my Hub. LoL C'mon man Obama is "your" my President... is Cruz your President, or role model? Hate blocks understanding and is an evil spirit. "HATE HURTS YOU" you must get over it. I forgive you.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Thanks for the forgiveness. Tolerance is a hallmark of Conservative thought, so you are making good progress.

I'm still waiting for you to recant. Our president set himself up as a lawmaker by amending ObamaCare at his discretion. Specifically, he arbitrarily delayed part of the law for one year. Please address this blatant Constitutional abrogation.


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junko 3 years ago Author

"Our President" Iam impressed' Did not the Teaparty set themselves up as The Executive Branch and the only Lawmakers?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, try to focus. You wrote a specious hub on Someone's President not being a lawmaker and I called you on it. Are you willing to recant? You're wasting our time with this other stuff.


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junko 3 years ago Author

HELL NO!! Nicomp try to focus, Civic 101 and your constititution will absolutely tell you the President isn't a law maker and you are wasting your time. Not only is the President not a lawmaker the teaparty law makers made less laws then any group of lawmakers in history. They passed less laws then the 40+ time they passed laws against the A.C.A. upheld by the highest court in America and the American people. I was going to let you off the hook and not comment about your foolishness but, you continue to drink the tea and talk like you are on Cruz control.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"...and your constititution will absolutely tell you the President isn't a law maker and you are wasting your time. "

Can you find the Education Department my Constitution?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp, you worry me, you are getting more incoherent the more you try to communicate. I think you should try to get some rest. your comments have become vague and pointless, thats not the nicomp I've known. A Recess is in order my Fellow American.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Can you find federal authority to provide/obligate health insurance in the US Constitution?


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junko 3 years ago Author

I hope you feel better nicomp and I don't want to up set you but, when the Constitution was written Capitalism and health insurance was not a reality. So my answer is... No.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, does the phrase "few and defined" ring a bell?


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp, my answer is no the phrase "few and defined" don't ring a bell. If you will, please explain the phrase. I learn something everyday.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"few and defined" is the way that federal powers are defined in our Constitution. Health care is not among the few and defined.


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junko 3 years ago Author

For real? Just just three words to define federal power. How many words was used to define Government? I wonder if the founding fathers would think what they wrote back than should apply by definition to The modern Federal Government. I wonder if they could have imagined the modern demographics of The Union. Women and Negroes in Congress and an African American President of The Union. If they could see, would they roll over in their graves or stand up and cheer? Would they be proud that all men and women in The Union Are Created equal? Do you think they would want to abolishThe United Ststes of America?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Nicely obfuscated.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp, it seems you are trying to obfuscate (evasive unclear) and not answer my questions not a one. That one word OBFUSCATE defines the teaparty's game plan 2010 mid-term until this moment. If thats the game you are playing, ok. I would rather talk to you and not at you. Whats up?


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Sorry Junko, been busy with life; let's take a look at the bull$ you have had to slide into, shall we? Jon-man, you disappoint me. I mean referring to yet another manifested propaganda link you find yourself grabbing like a life preserver- youtube, the obamas don't want this video-crap. Check Jon, 'Fact Check.org' . You say it was all fact checked? Ya, and my dog burps Gold. Don't you get a little tired of obvious conspiracy videos? I mean, really? Now, to the other guy-

The federal govt. does NOT create jobs, you are correct on this point. It is up to Congress to create jobs, despite your party’s’ regaling the argument that it is the President’s fault that jobs aren’t created. Actually it is also up to small business. You see it’s quite simple, let’s open our Economics 101 book-as one of you suggested. “Opportunity Cost”, you see if you are going to look at that concept of economic value you will find yourself somewhat limited. There are so many variables economists don’t oftentimes like to consider. Almost subjective,if you will. Who determines value? It’s not as clear cut as the economists like to conclude. They don’t consider economic classes as well as their limitations, politicians in power determine income distribution. Without boring everyone to death- Opportunity Cost has been overly subjective in nature. In other-wards, Economists like to present a nice neat package of conclusions that are wrapped in a bow but not even close to a true picture.

“You're also confused about the impact of regulation and cheap labor. You wrote; Your party favors more regulation and labor that is paid above market rates: you guys helped drive the jobs offshore.” -Confusion, may be in your ballpark Sir. You see, you are drinking the Kool- Aid that big business is pouring. They want cheap labor that, as they see it, will benefit them in the long run. The ironic thing is; they are so short sighted that they refuse to understand that the investment they make in an employee could produce more efficiency, long term profits, productivity, and overall success for their business. Who in the hell do you think buys more Goods and Services to keep this country thriving? The Middle Class. When do you see the most dramatic turn in the economy? When the Middle Class no longer has purchasing power. The rich get richer. You are seeing the widest gap amongst the classes right now, sir. The Middle Class, if Big Business would get their way, will be extinct –but so will they. It boggles my mind how quick the Republicans are turning on the poor-i.e. drug testing for public- aid recipients, yet no one cares what CEOs are getting in their out-the-door packages for being immoral and criminal. Where is the umbrage for the millions/billions being sent to offshore accounts so they don’t have to pay the country that they profess to love and honor?

Junko? I wish to address the horrific, blatant racism, if I may? in my next comment? Racism tends to make me snide, so I am pulling back until I get you permission.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

Where are the jobs? JOBS http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/

DEBT http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-... … President DISTORTS facts FAMILIAR

A solution CUT WASTE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

Obama's 2014 Budget Proposal: Tax, Spend, Elect — and Borrow

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/15094-obama-...

Just good reading for those in the know


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"It is up to Congress to create jobs,"

Also wrong. Government cannot create jobs. It's basic economics but Progressives/Liberals/Democrats can't seem to figure it out.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Irish Shrew you called out the two Kings of Obfuscation here. I'm surprised that nicomp showed up after cowardly backing out of our conversation rather then answering any of my questions. I wouldn't be surprised if insane mundane, nicomp, and Jon are found to be the same person. Irish Shrew, racism is deeply rooted in the American experience. If you want to rant about racism, keep it real and be my guest. I know you know racism and the Presidency will be declared unrelated or not a reality. Say what you have to say anyway.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. BHO has a white mother and a black father: he is technically a white guy. The race of a baby is determined by the race of the mother. If you've worked in Neonatology you'd know that. Perhaps you do know that but it doesn't fit your narrative. No worries.

So, we have a president perceived as black but some of us still lean on racism as the root of his failure. Very sad. Somehow he earned appointment as an Editor of the Harvard Law Review, election to the US Senate, and two elections to the US Presidency, but racism is still a problem for him? He flew under the racist radar through Occidental College, Harvard University, The US Senate, and the Electoral College? Excuse me while I laugh this off...

Thank you. We all need a good yuk now and then.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yeah--funny how this guy "earned appointment as an Editor of the Harvard Law Review, election to the US Senate, and two elections to the US Presidency", and still had to show proof he was born here because some people think he's Kenyan!

*no racism there*

Also--had to endure a national commenter, on a national tv show...*which they brag is the highest rated on cable*, speculate that he has a deep-seated hatred of white people....which would include his mother and grandparents who raised him!

*no racism there*

Let's not get off on voodoo witch doctor with bone through his nose signs, and references to Michelle and baboons......Let's not.

No, no racism whatsoever...in the land of Delusion and *what'd you call them?*......Scoundrels.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Also--had to endure a national commenter, on a national tv show..."

See, LoveMyChris, that's not racism against BHO. Your national commentator accused BHO of racism.

You really need to pick up an online dictionary.

As Inigo Montoya said: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Exactly.....he wants you to think Obama hates white people, even though he himself is white.

I ask you...how is that possible?

That is a racist statement from Beck.

Because why didn't he accuse Obama of hating black people instead? He is also black isn't he?

Why choose to say he hates whites?

RACISM!

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And Iknow exactly what it means...like your revered SC justice said: I know it when I see it.

Tea-party......I see it, hear it, smell it and taste it.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris, Progressives can co-opt healthcare and destroy inner cities and flood the economy with worthless currency, but you don't have the purview to redefine words.

Racism: "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. "

What Beck (allegedly) said was not racist. He impugned one single solitary person. He did not generalize by race.

Good grief, Glenn Beck says enough clearly dumb stuff. You don't need to misinterpret him.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh really?

Ok, lets try again::::

I think Beck said that about him in order to make white people dislike and mistrust him...because you know, those black people don't like you Honky's anyway. *wink* *wink*

And did you hear his radio bit where he pretends to be Malia, and says: "Daddy, why do you hate white people so?.....

Nah, as far as Beck goes, I'll quote Alan Grayson: If the hood fits, wear it!

And, the only worthless currency is the pretend money that rich people use to control the masses.

Show me 1 million dollars, and I'll eat my hat! It doesn't exist...it's numbers on a screen.

Simply a control system, nothing more.

The real worth is property and metals.

And poor ole Beck got caught with his pants down ther.....gold Ponzi scheme. Pffffft.

No wonder he has to fake-act a different character every week.

Only stooges believe his act, but lucky for him, like Barnum said: There's a sucker born every minute.

Now, he could be faking his racism.....but then again, it could be real.

Only his hairdresser knows for sure. '-)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris, please stay on point. To recap: BHO achieved to the highest levels of private and public life, therefore it is improper for you to invoke racism when his policies fail.

I don't know if you have a job, but my experience teaches me that someone will always dislike you. The only way to avoid criticism is to do nothing. Glen Back is paid to dislike Democrats. Duh. Holding up Glen Beck as your anecdotal evidence of institutional racism is specious and ill-advised.

QED. Have a nice day.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

His policies haven't failed.

And the Tea Baggies have done nothing BUT invoke race!

How you like the new one?

Cruz's dad tells Obama to go back to Kenya.

Oh....THAT'S not racist.

Here is your example. (and you cannot make this stuff up!)

A Canadian-born politician and his Cuban-born father tell our American- born president to go to his father's country!

Let me ask......has Trump asked for Cruz's birth certificate?

Has Rafael been asked to prove his citizenship?

Has anyone demanded they prove loyalty to USA?

if not, why?

That dude Rafael speaks with heavy accent.

Obama is articulate.

So, is it racism, or hatred for Democrats?

........who asked for Clinton's BC?

Gore?

Carter?

Reagan?

Bush?

Bush?

No? No one EVER asked for ANY prez BC?

so---what is your explanation why Obama is singled out?

play a little game, like we did in school...one of these things is not like the other......

can you guess, class?

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btw: I don't know if you have a job either, but it really is none of my business, nor do I choose to make a back-hand smear out of it.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"And the Tea Baggies have done nothing BUT invoke race!"

Again... invoking race is not evidence of racism. You invoke race all the time. Are you racist?

"Cruz's dad tells Obama to go back to Kenya.

Oh....THAT'S not racist."

Obama lived in Kenya. His Dad was born there. That's not a racist statement, just dumb.

"Let me ask......has Trump asked for Cruz's birth certificate?"

No, because Cruz is not president. The US President must be born in the US.

"Obama is articulate."

No, he's incredibly inarticulate. He stumbles over almost every word, he pauses at incorrect moments to search for words, he uses "uh" liberally, and he depends on a teleprompter. And that's not racist, so don't start with me.

"No? No one EVER asked for ANY prez BC?"

You can't argue that just because no one else has been asked then we aren't allowed to ask. However, presidential candidates have been asked for proof of 'natural-born-citizenship' since the clause was added to the US Constitution. They've all provided such, as far as I know.

"so---what is your explanation why Obama is singled out?"

Easy. He was singled out because in his own book, a book written by him long before he ran for president, is a blurb asserting that he was a US Senator not born in the US. That assertion was not written by him, but it was in his book. His publicist wrote it, I believe.

"btw: I don't know if you have a job either, but it really is none of my business, nor do I choose to make a back-hand smear out of it."

Sorry you took it that way. I have no idea if you are 12 years old or 99 years old. You may not be old enough to have life experiences that would teach you what racism is. I've been victimized by racism in the workplace. It hurts.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ahhhh--so you're a victim of racism?

Imagine living 400 yrs of it.

I'm 52, I've seen plenty.

Just recently, I went to court to stop this kid from constantly referring to my grandson as a N.

The Judge sided with the white kid.

I saw a black friend of mine framed for murder.

3 members of the jury afterwards said the jury was racist, so the judge held a hearing on it.

1st time ever in history.

And I watched those jurors lie and laugh and make jokes about it.

I've been called N-Lover in such a ferocious manner it blew me away.

SO.....like I said: I know it when I see it.

And when a man tells our president to "Go back to Kenya".....if you can't see the racism, then you just don't get it.

As far as that blurb goes---that was written by his publicist, who mistakenly used his father's bio rather than his own.

She came out and explained her mistake, but it's not good enough for the Baggers.

Nor is his birth certificate good enough for them.

They will never be happy with a black man in power...even tho he's half white.

They can't even stomache half black!

Oh yes, and when miss potty-mouth-Palin had a rally here in Boston, the TP organizer sent out an e-mail stating "The Obama's, just another black family on public housing"

Yeah.....I get it.

Beck making fun of and using Malia and asking on national tv....why does Obama hate white people......that is low-down kkk type stuff.

You don't se it, because you don't wand to.

But you darn sure are upset about the racism aimed at you, huh?

You probly never will.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

this guy Rafael is a flaming maniac!

" he urged the crowd to send Obama "back to Kenya."---so Obama COMES from Kenya. You see?

read this: he's the fruit of all loops

http://outfoxednews.blogspot.com/2013/10/watch-ted...


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junko 3 years ago Author

Lovemychris, nicomp will never agree with anything you say. It’s a Tea party conservative thing. He has made a personal pledge to himself to be unreasonable; ill rational, ignorant, and very obfuscated in relations to the President and his supporters. He can’t handle the truth so you have to break it to him gently before he runs away. He visits my hub and tries to bully my guest without speaking to me, after abruptly leaving and refusing to talk to me instead of at me. If we could talk about racism I would say to him… nicomp racism is a verb not a noun. Racism is an action word and racist describes or points out. Racism implies the power to negatively impact another race of people. This power is not really found in the relationship Black Americans visits on White Americans. Black Americans don’t have the power in America to be racist. When Black Americans speak about racism and the affect of slavery, they are not playing the race card. Hundreds of years of slavery and almost two hundred years of racism post-slavery are the history and present condition of slave descendents in America. Scoundrels erased slave‘s history and language and today the history of slavery and the racism born of it, if spoken by African Americans is Playing the Race Card. I won’t say this to nicomp because he can’t handle the truth, but I thank you for keeping it real loverofchrisandhumanity.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yeah, well I wonder if any of them will ever be able to admit it.

Or admit the destruction they have wrought on this country?

Doubtful, but I hope hope hope HOPE they will see the light in 2014, when the whole country says: Oh no you didn't!

:Not any more you don't!

:GTFOUH!

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When the biz community turns on you.....which you claim to represent, it's time to pack it up.

But we won't forget the treatment they gave, and so don't be surprised when it is returned in kind.

Period, that's all!

ps: I'm well aquainted with these types. First to throw a punch, first to run away.

First to shut down your voice.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Well, now:

"Is Senator Ted Cruz legitimate?

In any case, Ted not only has to show his Canadian Birth Certificate but also his parents legitimate Marriage Certificate if he wants to be President.

Good luck Ted in your run for the White House in 2016."

Wonder who will hold his feet to the fire?

Counting on you Donald!


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Wow this is fun.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

" In 50 years, the extreme right in this country has managed to change exactly one letter. They've gone from Birchers to Birthers"

http://eriklundegaard.com/item/plus-ca-change

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My god, would it...could it possibly be?......that Koch daddy and sons are in fact, Birch/th/ers?

Why, I do believe so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

(shhhhhhh. Also hear another dad and son team belong......(both names start with R and end with Paul)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Free speech is a wonderful thing.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Unless you protest Wall Street. Then you're free game for the World Police.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Yes, you should be able to pee in the park, wash up in the nearest McDonald's, and camp wherever it's convenient. It's all part of protesting the folks who pay your unemployment and food stamps.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I said OWS, not Tea Party.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

I said OWS also. Anarchy's awesome until the rent is due.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Social Security is also awesome until the Republicans cut and privitize it.

Then we'll see how the Tea Party feels, when it hits their lives.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

It's on YouTube! It must be true. Long live journalism.


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon! Man, I have only time for you tonight. You just can't seem to get past forcing Links down our throats that are nothing but the Fox News Republicans webpages. It kind of reiterates what I keep saying- no one has an independent thought anymore over to the Right. But Ooookay,

I'll follow you over THERE for a minute, but then I have to get to bed for an early morning. Okay; #1; you gave me a link to good ol' Eric Cantor's website. This is the same man that stated in June 2013 that our President was hurting our economy and "Americans were losing faith in their economy", however the day before- a Consumer Confidence Index (a Independent Research Organization) came out to state that the consumer confidence was at it's highest level since 2008. Cantor could only reply when asked- "well not according to one week's gallup poll" wow. Ya, that was specific and enlightening. A lot of critics of Cantor and I mean- Republican and Democrats during the 2012 conventions -stated that Cantor habitually was evasive on clear policy decisions that he would make but instead offered only Fox News talking points.

#2} Jon, man, that is you own blog. That would be like reading your thoughts in lieu of reading your comments here. That's silly.

#3} NOW you have sent me a link to a Republican Senator's website from Oklahoma. Let's first look at the gentleman himself. Christian, moralistic man that he proclaims. Did you know that he lived amongst other Christian Republican Senators on C Street? That's sounds innocent, right? Except for the fact that the man was used as a negotiator between his room-mate Sen. John Enson(Nevada) and the woman he had an adulterous affair with (sorry for the preposition at the end of the sentence). You see Coburn didn't like the amount Enson's lady friend's husband was asking for compensation toward the loss of their job AND the affair. They worked for Enson. So Coburn jumped right in and volunteered his negotiating skills since they were asking for 8 million and he felt that was too high. Oh, and the best part? Coburn lied to the media and his constituents in July but later, after all the evidence was in, recanted and admitted to being the negotiator. Great Christian.

Let's move on...in case the morality thing doesn't bother you. He likes to tote the follower in 'Cut, Cap, and Balance'. Did you know that it was Romney as the actual backer to this policy? Did you know that when Romney's advisor was confronted on how the policy was used by the British and that led them into a 'double dip recession' he refused to address the question?

Did you know that CBPP: "A Group Of Leading Economists, Including Five Nobel Laureates" Released a Public Letter To Obama And Congress "Opposing A Constitutional Balanced Budget Amendment." On July 19, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), a group of seven leading economists, including five Noble Laureates in economics, "publicly released a letter to President Obama and Congress opposing a constitutional balanced budget amendment."? The Balanced Budget Amendment would clear the way for Cut,Cap, and Balance...and would put us into a deep Recession!

Unlike you, Jon, I will be glad to give you actual links to various governmental letters(recorded), news outlets that showed footage if not interviews and/or written statements as support for my claims. Not one will be a Democrat Senator- a Liberal Media outlet-or me. That would be silly.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

It's a sermon by Rafael Cruz.....you should watch it if you want to follow that crowd. Son fell right of the daddy's tree.

He thinks he's a King who deserves the wealth of the world.

I just call him a delusion egotist with a huge superiority complex.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Michael Gerson, who served as President George W. Bush’s speechwriter from 2001-2006, compared the tea party to the Vietcong. In his Washington Post column Gerson wrote, “following the recent tea party Tet Offensive — tactically disastrous but symbolically important — the Republican establishment has commenced counterinsurgency operations.”


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

People call me crazy, but I am always right about certain things...like evil.

Tea party hero Ron Paul (R-TX) told residents of the former capital of the Confederacy on Monday that "nullification" would eventually have to be used to "ignore the feds" because President Barack Obama's health care reform law.

"I keep saying, the Second Amendment wasn't set up there to make sure you can shoot rabbits," he said.

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Guess it's "shoot Democrats" time.

All of us who had the choice of keeping ACA or repealing......we are all nullified as well.

We chose, but it doesn't matter.

The only ones who matter are the Republicans. Whether they win or not, they are always entitled to everything.


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always exploring 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

Will the republicans ever get over losing the election? I seriously doubt it, Wait until Hillary takes over oh my goodness, i can't wait...Long live your hub junko....


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

The truth about Obamacare, the issue of the moment, won't be see or heard in the liberal media. The fact is that BO lied He had to do everything possible to win the 2012 election. Fox News is having a field day showing video clips of what POTUS actually said year after year. Like BO says JUST another phony scandal .Obamacare is a FRAUD, BAIT &SWITCH , a LEMON LAW or another phony scandal. The gov has laws to protect the consumer from the above. Wake up America http://hubpages.com/politics/BARAKOBAMAHEALTHCARES... The man has no CREDIBILITY


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Could you please point me to a liberal media? You know--one that isn't owned by Republican business men and war profiteers? Is there one? I haven't seen it. Fox news is the Demons Lair. Anyone who gets sucked into that witchcraft is dangerous to listen to. ACA is a god send for more people than you can imagine. Why you right-wingers hate it is beyond me.

Obama has more credibility than any of the Republican presidents we have suffered under. And the fact that We the People mean nothing to you R's is enough for me to see right through you.

Healthcare for all, Renewable energy, Living wage......all these things Obama stands for, and since 2007, have had to listen to the most hateful pack of sh*t-on-a-stick since McCarthy reared his ugly head, in order to derail these thing.

This ugliness has ruined any chance of America being one nation.

But if you think we lie down and die while you buy us out and install your money-men in some Fascist coup .......you really underestimate your opposition.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Long live Always Exploring and the voices of those who unselfishly speak up for the voiceless and powerless.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Long live people who work hard and pay most of the taxes. Long live the 1% who make it possible for social justice activists to get free health care.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp if 2% of Americans have over 90% of the money and wealth in America, shouldn't they help the 68% of hard working taxpayers pay taxes? The 30% of underemployed , unemployed, poor, mental, disable, and older Americans need help to survive and have NO MONEY for taxes. What would the 2%ers do with their wealth if they don't help the poor or the hard working Americans by paying their fair share of taxes? Are they just Takers or Entitled to pay No Taxes?


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon? If you think Obama had to lie to win(again); then you are delusional. Frankly, I really am getting a belly full of the false accusations, the distortions, and cherry picking umbrage. I don't want to see another one of your personal, your right wing haters, or the flag waving-confederate supporting-gun toting-apple pie tea baggers-links. You people don't even listen to facts, you abhor truths. You arguments could be clearly unveiled to reveal hate, fear, and discrimination as motive toward your plight. I do not agree with all of our President's policies. The Democrats and Libertarians will be the first to list them. But this man is trying where others failed-to right the wrong of failed economic policies, to bring back the middle class-the backbone of our economy. To educate the poor, the young, and the veterans so they can provide a more stable living for their families. The rich are getting richer while the middle class is getting smaller. Guess what? That started in the Reagan era by protecting the big corporations and relieving the poor bastards of paying taxes. We had no deficits before Reagan-look it up. It is my belief that all the crusty old white men are scared of one thing- becoming the minority. I respect Junko's patience as well as his demeanor. I guess I know longer can interact in this amaranthine diatribe with nonexistent 'facts'. Let's instead talk about the trillions spent in a make believe 'War Against Terrorism' that turned out to be nothing but an agenda of Rumsfeld, Bush, and Cheney. Now all of the 3 Musketeers are pointing the finger at each others guilt. Talk about that Jon. In fact, tell me how Bush didn't cost us thousands of lives and a deficit with that shamble. While you are wheeling contempt for liars tell me what you think about the secret meetings Boehner had with his buddies on shutting down the government well before it even took place but claimed it happened at the last minute because of the debt ceiling. You know, the debt that we already had already accrued but your party decided we wouldn't be good for it because they hated poor people getting insurance and Obama as the Gatekeeper? While you are at it, let's talk about all your links to Fox News and then dare to refer me to their 'field day' when the organization has Rupert Murdoch at the helm. Look up 'Fox News' and the word 'distortions' . You will be busy for 24 hours reading the litany of accounts. The brand is a joke,a vise for Murdoch's agenda. He has been very successful at placing candidates where he wants them and replacing some of the more liberal Republicans as well. The anchors themselves have dropped the premise of 'fair and balanced' they have been caught too many times. Keep in mind his other acquisition was the British tabloid that gave phones to victims of horrific crimes so the reporters could listen in on conversations for their gossip reporting. Your references ....may as well be MAD magazine.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"From 2000-2008, insurance companies combined net profits increased from 2.5 billion to 12.5 billion. Your health insurance increased by close to 150%, and they cancelled millions of polices to increase profits."

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"The government did not "force" insurance companies to cancel their own substandard policies. The insurance companies chose to do that rather than to do what is right, and bring the policies up to code."

--Juan Williams....Fox news!

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This is what has been going on, and why all the hype and hoopla aimed at the website.

They don't want you to focus on the real demons---they want you to demonize Obama.

And anyway--demons are still having a great time of it still! Look at Wall Street.....doing pretty well under The Socialist Marxist Commie.

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Now: 85% of your hard-earned monies HAVE to go to actual HEALTHCARE......not in a ceo's pocket.

Now: they can't cut you off because you cease to be a profit for them.

Now: they can't charge me more than my brother.

Now: you don't have to plan a funeral for your baby, who could have lived if only you were rich.

I just hope all the Hell they put people through comes back to haunt them 10 fold.

It's like the employees caught on tape laughing at ripping off the gramma's with the Enron con.

Your days of laughing are over.

And no one buys your regurgitated hype anymore.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"I really am getting a belly full of the false accusations, the distortions, and cherry picking umbrage."

1. 'If you like your policy you'll get to keep it."

2. 'When elected I will go through the budget with a fine-toothed comb.'

3. 'When elected I will end the Patriot Act.'

4. 'The NSA is not abusing its power.'

"We had no deficits before Reagan-look it up."

The debt ceiling has been raised 95 times since 1940.

"The brand is a joke,a vise for Murdoch's agenda."

Someone must balance out Soros' agenda.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

1. as long as it complies with the law.

2. Ummm, House of Reps holds the purse strings on that one.

3. "as President, he would over turn a lot of the Provisions in the Patriot act"...he has strengthened over-sight.

4. Many people say that. In fact, it is now coming out that Brazil, Spain, etc etc all worked with NSA! And ALL countries spy.

Cheney: "Reagan showed us deficits don't matter"

debt ceiling is always raised until now. Wonder why?

Fox is a joke, but it's not alone in that. "The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, successfully argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves"

and of course, you've seen Rand Paul giving young people the advice that "it's good to mis-inform."

Soro's agenda has got nothing on the vast right wing.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

It is mind-boggling how easily liberals lose focus. Every argument quickly devolves into "nyah nyah, the Republicans did the same thing."

These exchanges honestly seem like a waste of electrons.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, successfully argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves""

And Bill Clinton (a famous Liberal) lied while testifying before a Grand Jury. Clinton also famously said "That depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." while under oath.

See? I can play the nyah nyah card too!


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp don't be an intellectual deadbeat. Respond to my comment about Takers and The Entitled that I addressed to you and you alone. You comment on my comments to others but you seem scare to speak when I comment to you. Whats up with your communication skills? What do you lack a heart or a brain? Ha ha ha just kidding and thinking about the ACA House investigation.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

*sigh*...he won't answer you junko, because there is only one obvious answer.

(and he ignores the fact that I answered him.)

It's not about nyah nyah

It's about how dare you try and smear a man when you had complete adulation for those who came before him..........and really DID what you accuse him of!

Ran up deficit

Spied on people....started NSA program that Snowden got all hot about, and it was Bush admn that spied on Merkel!!

Patriot Act......HELLO

wars, part d..etc etc etc

all this is NOW some horrible impeachable offense........

why now?

And Clinton is hardly famous for being liberal.

He's a moderate and for gods sakes went along with R's on welfare "reform" and removing Glass Steagall!

AND--he was forced to testify by the R's in charge, and they subsequently let Bush right off the hook!

Pot, there is no kettle that can hold all your inequities!

8 yrs of hell do not get erased, because you want them to.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

lovemychris

'' 8 yrs of hell do not get erased '' Are you talking about the last 5 yrs plus 3 ? It's hard to get by ALL the video clips of POTUS telling the American people false and distortions of the true fact. The silence of the liberal media in what is presently happening is deafening .Just another '' phony scandal'' adding to the last six being covered up by the Obama administration and the mainstream medias. http://hubpages.com/politics/BARAKOBAMAHEALTHCARES... POTUS said he would do it without the approval of Congress or the people. Potus/Dems own Obamacare 100 % got it done by whatevere means (changing the rules of the senate).


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"nicomp don't be an intellectual deadbeat."

Typical intolerant liberal name-calling. Nothing new.

"Respond to my comment about Takers and The Entitled that I addressed to you and you alone."

The government is configured to serve both of those entities. So what?

"You comment on my comments to others but you seem scare to speak when I comment to you"

Rather, I am bored with your nyah nyah ideology.

"Whats up with your communication skills? "

900 hubs and a Master's Thesis are my review mirror. I tend to communicate pretty well.

"What do you lack a heart or a brain? "

Without question I lack a heart when I am judged by a liberal. Nothing new there.

"Ha ha ha just kidding and thinking about the ACA House investigation."

They are investigating chiropractors?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Spied on people....started NSA program that Snowden got all hot about, and it was Bush admn that spied on Merkel!!"

There's the nyah nyah argument again... 'Bush did it too!!'

Takes me back to my days on the elementary school playground.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"And Clinton is hardly famous for being liberal."

You must be referring to George Clinton. Bill Clinton got elected on "I feel your pain." , the liberal mantra. Once in office he bombed the snot out of numerous countries and governed based on Gallup polls, but no one ever characterized him as conservative.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Nope--I mean 2000-2008.

Since 9/11, 2001, I have been waiting for Justice.

And the same ones who presided over that lost decade now have the gall to come at this president.

Doesn't matter to me...., I see right thru it.

And apparently, it's only the blind ones in this country who won't.

No problem---I'll just wait until there is no country left on Earth where Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld, et al are welcomed.

Maybe then their defenders here will finally realize what they have been defending.

And I certainly will never sit back in silence, while they try it all over again.

ACA will go down in history as the turning point of this country. The point where we turned away from the horror and greed that went before.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

A little slow on the uptake, nincompoop.

El Bushbo of Arabia IMPLEMENTED those programs........with YOUR blessing, I'm sure.

Kind of hard to take all you "Oh No!" people seriously, when before it was USA USA USA...anything for Bush!

As far as Clinton...he ran on making the gvt smaller! Member? "The era of big gvt is over"...then Bush came in, and proved him wrong.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"A little slow on the uptake, nincompoop."

The hallmark of Liberals ... name-calling.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yes, I know...and calling someone a waste of electrons and comparing them to a kindergarden playground is so civil.

Grow up. You dish it--you take it.

Be thankful you aren't told you hate America and leave your country for your views.

And I'm pretty sure you were never told to stand in front of the troops.

You want real name-calling.......look at what your party does to the President of the United States!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Republican hostility towards the poor and unfortunate has now reached such a fever pitch that the party doesn't reallys stand for anything else--and only willfully blind observers can fail to see that reality"

--Paul Krugman

*********

"Once you realize that trickle-down economics does not work, you will see the excessive tax cuts for the rich as what they are--a simple upward re-distribution of income, rather than a way to make all of us richer, as we were told."

Ha-Joo Chang, Faculty of Economics, University of Cambridge

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Know where this all started?

Uncle Ronnie.

"We are cutting their allowance"

"The Welfare Queen"

Nice way to think of fellow Human Beings. NOT!

You have been had by a propaganda campaign of hate....so those waging it can take More More More. and guess what? It's never enough.

Sickness.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

More nyah nyah arguments! Vilifying Republicans (and quoting contemptible Paul Krugman) won't make failed Liberal policies any less pathetic.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

What's a failed liberal policy?

What specifically are you referring to?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Specifics are pointless when discussing specifics with a Liberal, but we can start with The Great Society if you like.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

lovemychris

''What's a failed liberal policy?'' 2008 Obama promised a new America but what did the American people get http://hubpages.com/politics/BARAKOBAMAHEALTHCARES... 6 phony scandals being covered up by Obama and the mainstream media trllions in deficit spending 50 million on food stamps The House passed 40 jobs bills sitting on Reids desk in the senate BO needs to give Reid the order to allow debate amend and pass. It's no longer a mystery HE LIES


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

@Jon Ewall , Liberals will blame everyone else for Obama's failed promises.

By the way, any 'jobs bill' is a joke, regardless of which party originates it. Jobs cannot be legislated.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

My goodness...still pushing the rhetoric that Obama is a liberal?

Ask the liberals about that......

Obama is not liberal--he is pragmatist.

And he has great ideas for this country. Once he's free from the shackles of the Robber Barons, we will fly.

The Great Society IS the American dream....the real one, not the phony version pushed by the money-men.

And until you realize that.....you have missed the whole point of America.

BTW.....if we are talking scandals and lies......maybe one day we'll catch up to the rest of the world.

As it is now: Fox versions of scandals are like sopa-opera stories: Highly dramatic, and totally unbelievable.

I mean....General Hospital had a chick come back from the dead, and 60 Minutes had a fake Benghazi man!

Did you know, CBS new prez used to be exec at Fox?...did you know he's anti-Obama?

Noooooooo!

I know it's hard to fathom, but just try.

Did you know when 60 minutes did story on Bush that RW didn't like, the reporter stepped down, and 4 people were fired?

Nooooooooo!

Yes, it's true.

Wonder if that will happen now?

..........let me know, so I can stop laughing.

Because, after all: it's a liberal press, and a liberal media, and poor Right Wingers never get any of it.

Right--Dinglebarry,Odumbo,Obango man?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"And he has great ideas for this country. Once he's free from the shackles of the Robber Barons, we will fly."

Great ideas: redistribution of wealth, equal outcome rather than equal opportunity, milquetoast foreign policy, NSA spying on American citizens, IRS enforcing political cronyism.

Great progressive ideas.


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junko 3 years ago Author

WHY do some Tea party type conservatives plagiarize their short substanceless comments by quoting the liberal comments they comment on? I think the liberals know what they wrote and it don’t give greater volume to a short vague response.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Make fun of the verbiage, that's the liberal way. Ignore the message.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

junko

Are you considered one of the '' under class''? Can you tell us who are the under class, upper class and middle class?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon Ewall, The Underclass, The Great Unwashed am I a member... yes I am a member. The underclass are the poor, disable. mental, unemployed, underemployed, working poor, most babyboomers, and millions of children. The underclass is about 30% of the American population, The middle class is a class above the low class they both have the biggest tax burdens The upperclass use tax write offs and pay as less as possible in taxes. The top 2% of Americans at the top owns more wealth then 98% of Americans of all classes. The underclass has no money for taxes, food, or shelter, The tax paying working class can't pay enough taxes to help the underclass survive and they truly need help, shouldn't somebodies share the wealth. Jon, you said you gave up the suit for a 24/7 caregiver job you should know the underclass but may not have known you knew.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The underclass are the poor, disable. mental, unemployed, underemployed, working poor, most babyboomers, and millions of children"

ROFL. Most Baby Boomers?

This is truly sad. There's no shame in being working and poor. It doesn't put you in a 'class.' Progressive work hard to stigmatize innocent Americans for the sole purpose of gaining political power.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp your ignorance is painful. Your comments just don't make any sense. I was answering a question from Jon your replies to my comments has been super stupid and double dumb. You are truly sad, there is no shame in being among the working poor or the underclass and shame was not claimed. It is a shame for a supposely educated person who visited his own sight almost a million times to be so painfully ignorant.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, your name-calling is tiresome, but I will respond anyway.

Your use of the word 'underclass' implies shame. There's no conceivable meaning other than that. You're clearly implying that the groups you listed as members of the 'underclass' are less fortunate than some other classes. 'Underclass' could have no other meaning. It's sad that Progressives work to incite class warfare for political gain.

Any member of any of the groups you listed should be insulted that you have such a low opinion of them. You dehumanize through classification and generalization.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Progressive ideas: Liberty and Justice for all.

Sorry you're not into it.......

Told you: you have no idea what America is all about!!!

E Pluribus Unum, Not gimme mine gimme mine gimme mine

Sheeeesh. Professor LMC, on duty.

(not to be confused witn Professor Beck, of Beckles U)


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junko 3 years ago Author

Nicomp your ignorance and ego is tiresome, I don't write, comment, or answer in vague terms as you so often do. Your opinions doesn't carry the weight and merit your ego would have you to believe. Your understanding may lead you to think the word underclass implies shame and not just a fact of life of a non-tax paying American class of people that needs government help to live. How am I implying the the underclass is less forunate then then other classes. Being poor, uneducated unemployed disabled, elderly, mentally ill, and unable to pull themselves up by their own boot straps would only be unfortunate if they were not Americans. My definition of the underclass is simular to Romney"s difinition of the 47%er's that needs governments help. The underclass is the majority of the 47%ers. We the underclass are 30% of the population that don't and in most cases can't afford to pay taxes. We are refered to as takers, slackers,welfare and foodstampers, drains on the economy, lazy deadbeats, and too many insults to mention here. You dehumanize the underclass and I seek to humanize the American people of all races democrats and republicans, liberal and conservative who are all members of the underclass. There is room for anybody who needs help at the bottom but not the top. Your ignorance is painful.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Junko

As a youth I lived in Chicago adjacent to FHA housing projects , 95% blacks, 5% whites. They were poor, many of the parents didn't finish or go to school. we never looked at them as underclass , they were just poorer than we were.

In this great country ,you considering yourself underclass is just a state of mind. government and public education needs some sole searching. In Chicago over 50% of youth don't finish school. Where are the black leaders to help these kids , the help they need to stay out of the gangs. Our President was a neighborhood organizer for Acorn. Today Chicago is worst than ever.

JUNKO pick yourself up and stand tall


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"In this great country ,you considering yourself underclass is just a state of mind. "

Considering yourself a member of an underclass is sad, but asserting that people you don't even know might in the same class is nauseating.

Progressive thought perpetuates the concept that only government can solve problems. In order for government to accumulate power, people must be convinced that they are helpless. Everything about this paradigm is insulting.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Nicomp your ignorance and ego is tiresome,"

Keep reading you'll catch on.

" I don't write, comment, or answer in vague terms as you so often do. "

Begging to differ: classifying 'poor, disable. mental, unemployed, underemployed, working poor, most babyboomers, and millions of children' as The Underclass is vague. And dehumanizing.

"Your opinions doesn't carry the weight and merit your ego would have you to believe."

Probably true. But you are still responding to me, so my opinions must have some weight and merit.

"Your understanding may lead you to think the word underclass implies shame and not just a fact of life of a non-tax paying American class of people that needs government help to live. "

Bingo. You have defined Progressive thought: people need help from the government to live. Kudos to you for owning it. I respect your forthright comments, but you're still misguided.

" My definition of the underclass is simular to Romney"s difinition of the 47%er's that needs governments help. "

I'd bet a week's salary that Romney's comments incensed you. You can't have it both ways.

"We the underclass are 30% of the population that don't and in most cases can't afford to pay taxes"

If you live in America you should pay taxes. You'll never understand that, but I do appreciate your honesty.

" We are refered to as takers, slackers,welfare and foodstampers, drains on the economy, lazy deadbeats, and too many insults to mention here."

You do not have the right to not be insulted. Sorry.

" You dehumanize the underclass and I seek to humanize the American people of all races democrats and republicans, liberal and conservative who are all members of the underclass."

Conceptualizing a class based on income is dehumanizing. Your misguided attempt to humanize actually facilitates a debilitating dependency on the government.

"Your ignorance is painful."

But you're still listening.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Hey! Your president was a lawmaker today. He delayed the Individual Mandate for another year. He bypassed Congress and The Constitution.

I wonder what he thinks I should have for dinner?


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junko 3 years ago Author

Jon , I don’t consider myself underclass because I am African-American. Some people here on HP write but don’t read. You are included in my definition of a member of the underclass. Whomever you had to give up the suit to become a 24/7 caregiver for is also a member of the underclass. Definition by economic class excludes and includes race. Some people feel the color of their skin excludes them from being considered underclass and because of their skin color vote against their own best interest. I am concerned about you being concern about my view and definition of the underclass. My concerns are similar to the President’s concern about the Republican’s concerns about the ACA. The underclass is not a black thing it’s an economic thing. Don’t feel sorry for me, look out for yourself and love ones. The changes in policies and laws aimed at the underclass will cause collateral damage in your life also. JON, pick yourself up and stand tall. Don’t forget to read before commenting.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Nicomp and all the rest of the Obama-haters will be eating crow.

Go ahead and keep your insurance-profitting plans.....

It's you who are hurting yourselves.

Anything to destroy Obama, I get it--- just keep the rest of us out of it!

In fact: why not join Romney in the Corporate States?

No allegiance anywhere, but to the bottom line.

Leave us Americans alone.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Nicomp and all the rest of the Obama-haters will be eating crow."

I won't be able to afford anything better.

"It's you who are hurting yourselves."

Life hurts. Progressives think government can legislate away the hurt.

"In fact: why not join Romney in the Corporate States?"

I didn't vote for Romney.

"Leave us Americans alone."

Hypocrisy alert. Progressives won't leave anyone alone.

Your plea to be left alone is the textbook definition of irony.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"I wonder what he thinks I should have for dinner"

when is the press conference? Its almost time to eat, isnt it?


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Tell me Jon, you aren’t really saying that it is up to ‘black leaders’ to cure violence in Chicago, right? I mean you couldn’t be inferring it is a black problem-right? It is a community problem. You mention education. Fine, let’s look at that. The Republicans have called for an all-out war against unions, and because I am an independent thinker I will also add- Rahm Emanuel to that battle- a Democrat. Teachers have been targeted due to less than prosperous times where everyone is looking at education as the catch all- at savings. There are many manufactured conflicts just to ease the way toward privatization.

So your cure to gang organization is simply-go to school? The underlying problem could never be low wages, unemployment, lack of food- lack of medical care-compounded w/ violence in their community, as well as discrimination? In your make believe world of one dimensional answers, could you please tell me how Republican; agendas, loyalties, and legislation have represented We The People? You people wrap yourself in the flag every minute you can but are silent when We The People are being hurt, abused, and discriminated against. This is not a ‘black, brown, purple, blue, red… problem. We are all Americans.

Oh, and by the way…..I used to be a teacher. The word is soul, not ‘sole’. I‘m sorry but I had to chuckle, you used the word-'education' and then ‘sole’.... That is a flatfish.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The underlying problem could never be low wages, unemployment, lack of food- lack of medical care-compounded w/ violence in their community, as well as discrimination? "

Typical Progressive thought: if you fail, it's not your fault. Society conspired against you.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Republicans certainly do!

When they run gvt, poor and middle class are decimated.

we are living the results of 30 yrs plus of it.

gvt did it, gvt can turn it around.

we need big biz types out of it.

as elizabeth warren just reminded those fools--this is america. We work fpr the people, not corporations.

ceo pay 400× that of those who do the work.

gthouh!


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"When they run gvt, poor and middle class are decimated."

Repubs passed a Civil Rights Act while Dems whined and obstructed.

Bush passed free drugs for Seniors.

Nixon implemented wage and price controls to curb inflation.

Nasty, nasty Republicans!!


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"we need big biz types out of it."

Like George Soros.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"These hundreds of men and women are suppose to represent the will and look out for the well being of the people that sent them to Washington. "

Actually, no. They are supposed to defend the Constitution. They are supposed to foster liberty. The well being of the people that sent them there is the responsibility of the people who sent them there.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp: The population of the US was less then 5 million when the constitution was sign into law. No women and no people of color were included or considered at that time. Today the population approach 400 million including women and people of color. Nicomp, I know that if you are a white man you favor and find power in the constitution as originally written. " The well being of the people that sent them there is the responsibility of the people that sent them there" thats a strange comment from an educated white member of the Underclass The founding fathers as they are call was not Gods with an insight on the 21st century. Hate and anger is insanity that when put into words don't make any sense.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"No women and no people of color were included or considered at that time."

They have been added since. The Repubs did that, but it doesn't fit your narrative.

"Hate and anger is insanity that when put into words don't make any sense."

That's how Obama got elected. Class warfare.


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junko 3 years ago Author

That's how the Repubs Party was taken by the Dixiecrats and now the Teaparty, Racism.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

By the way Your President made some whopper laws last week. He presumed to overrule Insurance Commissioners in all 50 states.

Even Bush got Congress to back him up.


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junko 3 years ago Author

Bush is a white man maybe thats way he was your President. When your President was the Commander and Chief he was "THE DECIDER", right or wrong the Dems respected the office if not the man


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Bush is a white man maybe thats way he was your President. "

I didn't vote for him.

Bush was everyone's President. I think I've heard Progressives say that about Obama.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

" When your President was the Commander and Chief he was "THE DECIDER", right or wrong the Dems respected the office if not the man"

Harry Reid Calls Bush a Liar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMhhEZ_okc0&feature...

Bush Booed and Jeered during Inaugural pre-Introduction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvX8YHzMLQ&feature...

Democrats Boo Bush During 2005 SOTU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM&feature...

Dems Heckled Bush: http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Dem...


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junko 3 years ago Author

Harry Reid begged the President's pardon for disrespecting the office of President of the United States. If a Repub would begged President Obama's Pardon, well...ask x Fla. Governor Chris Or New Jersey's newly reelected Governor. I don't know why you offered the link on Harry. I don,t understand why you offer the same links twice and same words spoken by President Bush to argue that he was booed and heckled. I watched the same link twice and it seems like an empty augument again. Stevie Wonder can see the difference in the Presidency of Bush and Obama. You like most far right conservatives can't or won't see the ovious.


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JON EWALL 3 years ago from usa

Irish Shrew

In my post there was no reference to political parties for the many problems facing minorities in Chicago. Democrats have controlled politics in Chicago many many years. Poverty breaths crime ,Chicago recently passed NY as having the most homicides.

Barak Obama was a community organizer what was his job? Rev Jackson another black leader what is he doing in the neigborhoods to help his people? Mayor Daley for years kept the gangs under control for years. The unions in Chicago are strong what are they doing to educate the poor blacks and minorities?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

" Stevie Wonder can see the difference in the Presidency of Bush and Obama. "

One actually ran something before he was elected president. The other had no experience whatsoever.


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junko 3 years ago Author

nicomp if you don;t really have anything to say... its o'k if you don't comment. Its better to not to comment rather then to comment and say nothing in the comment. You never comment about what you are supposing to comment about. Dialog with you is painfully fruitless. I tried real hard today, maybe tomorrow.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Dialog with you is painfully fruitless."

I will use smaller words. ;)

JUST KIDDING.

(Progressives have no sense of humor)


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

It wasnt free drugs for seniors, it was making sure that no bidding for cheaper drugs evrt takes place. Codified by law. Therefore, americans pay 400 dollars for a pill the rest of the world can get for 10.

and, look at you! Pretending that anything is free. The money-men aways get their cut. You cons just dont make an issue out of it when the freebies suit you!

Drug bill helped the pharma companies.

farm bill helped the wealthy land-owners.

clean air act helped the polluters.

Ryan/romney budget helps the already rich.

etc.

George soros is a poor relation compared to the koch bros. And it is quite hilarious to see you tp types call obama a communist, when kochs made their wealth through joseph stalin.

(Tea party has no heart)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"It wasnt free drugs for seniors, "

Umm... Medicare Part D. It was in all the papers.

"(Tea party has no heart)"

Progressives think heart can be legislated.

"George soros is a poor relation compared to the koch bros. "

The nyah-nyah argument again. Sigh.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ive said it a 1,000 times before: you cant handle the truth. Your so-called "freedom" party is funded by stalin cash. Just as prescott bush got rich with nazis.

part d is give-away to big pharma, paid for by americans.

Curious why you think elderly are entitled to freebies, but people not entitled to healthcare.

you see, there is no shortage of anything.

its hoarded and politicised.

mittens wants deductions for his horse, but you hate giving money to sick kids.

you baggers are a strange lot.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Curious why you think elderly are entitled to freebies, but people not entitled to healthcare."

They are entitled to neither.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"you baggers are a strange lot."

Name calling: the hallmark of Progressives.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Awwwwww'-- you cant be so thin-skinned, can you?

Just browse the feed....

I see democrats called stupid and gullible, and belonging to the liars club.

surely, you wouldnt say name-calling is the hallmark of tea baggers?

And if they arent entitled, why did you yse plan d as a means of proving how wonderful bush was?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Awwwwww'-- you cant be so thin-skinned, can you?"

Not at all. I am simply pointing our the Progressive mindset: when the facts are against you, name-call.

"I see democrats called stupid and gullible, and belonging to the liars club."

Pointless. The behavior of someone else does not mitigate your immaturity.

"surely, you wouldnt say name-calling is the hallmark of tea baggers?"

I don't know what a tea bagger is.

"And if they arent entitled, why did you yse plan d as a means of proving how wonderful bush was?"

Bush was a poor president, but that doesn't mitigate the disaster we currently endure.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

What facts?

I think it's strange to demand tax entitlements because you own a dancing horse, but scream bloody murder when a child needs medical help.

That is an opinion. You didn't like it, so you accused me of doing what the Tea Baggers have actually been guilty of.

It absolutely mitigates me doing the same!

and knock knock...it's because of Bush that we are enduring.

Tea Bagger: Republicans who were angry at Dempocratic Reps, and so sent tea bags to them through the mail.

They did not tea bag Republicans, so you can see they have chosen their target.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

evolution of the phrase tea bagger:

Feb. 27, 2009

At the first anti-stimulus "New American Tea Party" rally in Washington D.C., a protestor carries a sign reading "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!" The Washington Independent's David Weigel calls it "the best sign I saw."

March 2

Americans for Prosperity, an anti-tax group, is one of the first Tea Party organizations to advocate sending tea bags to elected officials to protest the stimulus package. Several other lobby groups follow suit.

April 1

Several Tea Party protest sites encourage readers to "Tea bag the fools in DC." Jay Nordlinger at National Review Online later admits: "Conservatives started [using the term]... but others ran and ran with it."


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"It absolutely mitigates me doing the same!"

OK. That wells me a lot about you.

"and knock knock...it's because of Bush that we are enduring."

That tells me even more.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!"

You don't like it?

Take it up with those who are anti-liberal dem.

I will use it freely.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"I will use it freely."

... and we learn more about you!

Actually, I neither "like it" nor "don't like it": I don't care either way.

My only point is that your immaturity shows when you sink to name-calling.

You're actually doing us all a favor by disqualifying yourself from the dialog. In the marketplace of ideas you're obviously bankrupt.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Whos the name callers?

The whole point of tea bagging was to discredit democrats!

They chose the name to be derogatory: I think its poetic justice it now turns back on them.

I have lots of ideas, and so does prez obama.

its your partys immaturity that is on display.

as well as their total lack of decency and respect for any who dont tow their line.

its really quite a hoot, if people werent suffering for their arrogance.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"its your partys immaturity that is on display."

You don't know my party. Another hallmark of Progressives: presumptive-ism.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Lets see....

you got upset with the term "bagger". Called it profanity. You utterly denigrate democrats, and claim not to support bush or romney.

call it deductive reasoning:

Sarah palin is your gal.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

I'm not upset at all. My interest in the immaturity of Progressive Thought is purely clinical. The ideology doesn't stand up to scrutiny so name-calling and nyah-nyah arguments are all you have.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

What a load of hog-wash.

you are the master of nya nya and name-calling.

The vitriol drips from your words.

and whether you like it or not, progress happens all the time, and will continue until we get it right.

the real immaturity comes from those who cling to the past for dear life, because they feel they-and only they-have the right way.

Demanding your way, even when you have lost the battle is the mark of true immaturity, and frankly, a bully mentality.

obstructing is not governing.

and nullifying votes is sedition.

imo


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"What a load of hog-wash."

Probably

"you are the master of nya nya and name-calling."

Nope.

"The vitriol drips from your words."

If by 'vitriol' you mean 'truth', then we are in agreement.

"and whether you like it or not, progress happens all the time, and will continue until we get it right."

Progress? You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

"the real immaturity comes from those who cling to the past for dear life, because they feel they-and only they-have the right way."

Unless you do it. Then it's patriotism.

"Demanding your way, even when you have lost the battle is the mark of true immaturity, and frankly, a bully mentality."

Yep.

"obstructing is not governing."

Thank goodness for obstructing, else we would have had HilaryCare 16 years ago.

"and nullifying votes is sedition."

Yep. The dead voters in Chicago would agree with us.


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junko 3 years ago Author

probably

nope

If by vitriol you mean truth than we are in agreement

Progress? You keep using that word but I don'think it means what you think it means

Unless you do it. Then it's patriotism

Yep

Thankgoodness for obstructing else we would have HilaryCare 16 years ago

Yep dead voter in Chicago would agree with us.

The unfilter 100% pure HOGWASH by nicomp


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Irish Shrew 3 years ago from Midwest

Jon? You made no reference to parties? Really? So, you putting the violence in Chicago on the shoulders of Jesse Jackson and our President and not making a reference to party affiliation or Race? Interesting. But let's go with your logic; what about 9-11? Bush was on that watch. So he is to blame for not stopping terrorists? Granted he was warned- thru Intel by Colin Powell and others but chose to go with the agenda at getting Saddam and his oil- nonetheless, he really was to blame? Did you know that -according to Cook County statistics; While gun violence in Chicago is still down considerably from a decade ago and crime in the city is dropping overall, the number of homicides in the first three months of 2012 spiked 60 percent over the same period the previous year? Do you know what the experts predict as the catalyst? Poverty and lack of education- just like Al Capone's era. You see this is nothing new, in fact New York had to combat the same thing for generations. Population kind of has something to do with it, Poverty has something to do with it . In fact, the new movement toward- 'Wilding' a sweeping of areas for looting, robbing, and general public disruption was not invented in Chicago but rather -New York. Should we look up who was President? Because he should be held responsible, right? Let's face it- focusing on any city, on any politician, on any statistic- is simply this. Cherry picking. I get it. You people can't live with a black President. I can. In fact, I think history will be nothing but kind to this man. He has had to undergo more than any other President, almost like a testament to discrimination at it's worst.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Do you know what the experts predict as the catalyst? Poverty and lack of education- just like Al Capone's era."

Typical Progressive thought. It's always an external force that causes people to behave badly. No personal responsibility.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"You people can't live with a black President. I can.I"

I can't live with you invoking his race incorrectly. By the way, he's white. His Mom was white. The race of the Mommy determines the race of the baby.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class"--al capone

I dont see any robber barons lining up to tske personal responsability for anything.

race of mommy doesnt apply here.in amrtica, its color of skin. Causr if he was white, he wouldnt be called food stamp president, or liar, by political party officials.

nor could he possibly be accused of having deep-seated hatred of white people.

so, ehhhhhhh. FAIL.


junko 3 years ago

It's ironic nicomb, again you are trying to claim the President is white. Do you remember the one drop law of some southern states. Look it up, judgemental brainiack. (compliment not namecalling)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, I do remember the one drop law, but our president was born in Hawaii. "Some Southern states" don't take precedence.

Sorry.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"race of mommy doesnt apply here.in amrtica, its color of skin. "

If I get a tan, my race changes?


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junko 3 years ago Author

OUR PRESIDENT!!!... I'm SO proud of you nicomp.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

If you get a tan, you're trying to be black, aren't you? I think so. Because it makes you look better!

anyway, I read a book about that one drop rule for an English class.....Passing. great book.

And yes, here in USA:

"In 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau essentially said no when it added the category of “mixed race” to the ethnic designation section of the official Census form. But as a practical matter, if one looks the least bit “Black” or of African ancestry, the vast majority of Americans still consider that person Black not mixed race."

I can attest to this, with my grandson. He is considered black, otherwise the a-hole white kids up the street wouldn't call him the N word, now would they?

Our neighbors are darker than him, but they're from Dominican Republic......and funny, but those white kids never call them that word. It's very strange.

I think America may be one of the most underlying racist country's in the world.

It has festered under the surface, but shows up now since we elected a black prez.

oh, and people aren't fooled.

"food stamp president"

"communist"

"secret muslim"

"urban president"

we know what you're trying to say.

And it really hurt me so much when Obama said that people will dismiss ideas just because they come from him.

He knows why, too.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"I think America may be one of the most underlying racist country's in the world."

It's not, but thankfully we can believe whatever we want.

"we know what you're trying to say."

I have not said any of those things. You should read about the concept of a Straw Man Argument.

"anyway, I read a book about that one drop rule for an English class.....Passing. great book."

I read Wikipedia. They are hardly ever wrong about this type of thing.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

The term "you" is not meant as a personal "you", but as in the group of idio...err I mean people who use those phrases.

Gingrich

Santorum

Beckles the Clown

Palin

...those type of idio...errr I mean people.

Wikipedia is mossad....you didn't know?

Figures. I'll bet you (personal) think that NSA just started spying with Obama, too. ;-)

Bush....bush who?


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Wikipedia is mossad....you didn't know?"

You mean Mossad?

"Figures. I'll bet you (personal) think that NSA just started spying with Obama, too. ;-)"

Ahhh... the nyah-nyah argument again.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No, mossad. They're not deserving of capital M ;-)

It's quite a valid argument.

I am positive no Republicans called for Bush to be impeached. In fact, when they were rollling out the Patriot Act, Republicans said "if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?"

Now they are stunned and outraged.....lol.

MAROONS!


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"MAROONS!"

Progressive Thought: name calling.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh, I know. And you have such kind words about progressives, dont you?

Yes, we blush at the compliments flying from your fingers!

Its really too much. You flatterer, you.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Its really too much. You flatterer, you."

Sarcasm, the shared purview of all political parties.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

C-span now if youre able. Wow--what a crowd.


Atlanta Strong 2 years ago

There are no lawmakers on Capitol hill.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

junko

time marches on 6/4/12 Obama’s Acts Of Treason & Violations Of Federal Laws http://www.nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vi... Congress D’s refuse to act?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Why should they. Why should Obama get worse treatment than George Bush.

You don't get to play that game.

Equal treatment.

Bush still walks the Earth. R's never acted on his law-breaking.

You want Obama: Bush comes first.

Republicans are not superior!


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

Bush was treated much worse by the mainstream press than BHO.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

'' R's never acted on his law-breaking.'' can you be more specific so that hubbers can reply


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Dennis Kucinich came to them w 38 articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney. Iraq invasion and torture being his focus.

It went nowhere. As you know, the R's controlled the House, Senate and Presidency at the time.

Now, since Obama is in office, we never hear the end of hearings, impeachment talk, seccession, calling for coups......

It's not about justice at all.....or they would have cared when it applied to Bush.

It's about political manipulation and getting the Democrat. Just as they spent 8 yrs and billions of dollars to get Clinton.


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junko 2 years ago Author

Lovemychris I don't believe Clinton will run if the R's take control of the Senate next month. The President will have the last six years repealed and replaced causing the American people grief like never before.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

jUNKJO it will be a headache to roll back ObamaCare but getting the government a little farther away from our business will be worth it. We can only work to get out the vote and put logical folks who actually respect the US Constitution into office.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yes Junko....if they win senate: it's over for America. They will impeach Obama, repeal ACA, make tax cuts for uber rich permanent, and send our kids to die in Iran.

Get ready to salute the flag of Israel, not America.--as if we don't already.

Which people ncp.....the ones who don't want Dems to vote, think women aren't in charge of their own bodies......and put Money as God and Glory.....NO TANKS. Had QUITE enough of them.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris, we should eat the rich. They are the root of all our problems. My cat is sick and I blame it on The Rich.

We need to get rid of all The Uber Rich and let someone else pay 90% of all the income tax as The Uber Rich currently do. I can't believe they have been getting away with this for so long. Does Barack Hussein Obama know about this??


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junko 2 years ago Author

Nicompo "our business" "logical folks" The constitution is due to be repealed and replaced along with the bill of rights by Capitalist that will Govern after the Government for and by the people is defunded because they still don't want to pay any taxes since the Boston Tea Party. Your views are twisted by your hate.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

That's right. It will literally be THE BILL has rights, we don't.

Ncp, follow your own logic....if they pay 90% of income taxes, that means they have 90% of income. And exhorbitant, outrageous amounts! I mean, what one man deserves 21.5 billion dollars, while half the globe starves. It's insane.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris , I agree completely. Shocking, it is, that one man would have the temerity to earn lots of money. How nauseating!

Bill Gates should be forced to live in the ghettos of Chicago with all the other successful people who just can't catch a break. George Soros and Warren Buffet should be ashamed of themselves for becoming so successful. I, for one, am horrified.

Hey, Chris, you ever ask a poor person for a job? How's that working out?


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junko 2 years ago Author

"ever ask a poor person for a job" Is that an original thought ? No its not and some people don't know what to say or think without Fox and Rush. They proudly parrot illogical folks.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

JUNKO

People are asking why does Obama do this or that when decisions of defending or not defending our country. For one the mainstream media isn’t reporting all the true facts , nothing new. Here’s my list that many in the liberal progressive world may never see or believe.

1. 8/18/14 Lawsuit:White House Accused Of Hiding Politically Embarrassing Information http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/18/lawsuit-white-ho...

2. 2/27/10 HOW DID BARAK OBAMA CLOSE THE HEALTHCARE SUMMIT http://hubpages.com/politics/BARAKOBAMAHEALTHCARES... … R's health plan rejected by BO DEMS No compromise fact

3. 7/14/14 The White House Is Bribing Health Insurance Companies http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/07/...

4. 6/6/14 CBO Gives Up Trying to Figure Out How Much Obamacare Costs https://www.uschamber.com/blog/cbo-gives-trying-fi...

5 5/13/14 Employees at ObamaCare contractor paid to do nothing http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3564202506001/emplo...

6. 10/2/14 Obama in 2006: ‘ Increasing America’s Debt Weakens US Domestically & Internationally’ http://www.speaker.gov/general/obama-2006-increasi...

end of part one

links are interesting to open minded persons

note! Democrats have had 2/3s control of our government since 2007- present 2009-2010 Obama Dems had 100% super majority control, Republicans were in essence just showed up , rules of both Houses were not followed as per the Constitution.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

there were only two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:

◾From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman’s challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedy’s illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and

◾From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);

◾For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

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And even if what all you have posted is true.....SO WHAT. What have we done about Bush.....nothing.

What is it you don't understand.....

Do you think that all of a sudden, these things matter....

They mattered in 2000-2008, when the R's told us to keep our mouths shut and stop questioning the President during war. Because, after all--if you don't support the President you don't support the troops...remember.

38 articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney were ignored......and you think NOW we are suppose to care about YOUR grievances.....once again, I have to ask....do you consider yourselves superior.....

Superior to the Constitution when it suits you!

*******

And it's not Gates, it's Adelson......an Israeli-Firster, who is bankrolling the Republican party......gets rich in MY country, cares more about another one.IMO

There is a word for that, and it's not anti-Semite.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Here is your precious chamber of commerce.....

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._Ch...


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"ever ask a poor person for a job" Is that an original thought ? No its not and some people don't know what to say or think without Fox and Rush. "

Sorry. I will go back to hating the rich. That's original thought.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

What truly gripes my cookies is when some rich guy starts a business with his money and employes people. Yow, what are they thinking??

You know what else? When a rich person donates money to build a hospital or a playground or a clinic. The nerve of some rich people?

And and and when a rich guy funds a grass-roots political organization so everyone has a voice and they put up a web site and all the un-rich people can interact and communicate. So annoying! Like George Soros.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman’s challenges came to an end)"

Excellent choice of words: "Officially seated." . Franken certainly was not 'elected' senator. If those Lizard People had not been on the ballot we would not have a career marginal comedian and B-movie actor in the US Senate.


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junko 2 years ago Author

What really gripes my cookies is when some rich guy starts a business creating slave labor for women and children in some third world country. These rich guys get richer and avoid taxes and regulations that prevents exploitation of human and child labor in their Country where they used the infrastructure paid for by me and other tax paying Americans to get rich in the first place. What are non-rich tax paying Americans that support this exploitation of them and the Third World thinking?


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junko 2 years ago Author

The Suit that became a 24/7 caregiver... a good man. Thanks for the links, Jon.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

And the thing that drives me absolutely nuts is some rich guy building a factory in a third world country and providing a hand-up to a society that would otherwise be doomed to poverty. That is SO inconsiderate.

Those rich dudes should give all their money to BHO so he can fund the Democrat Party and pay for gourmet meals to inmates at GitMo because it's been like 6 years and he still has not closed it as he promised to do during his first campaign.

And Bill Gates!! What's up with that horrible rich guy? He spends his fortune trying to cure disease in third-world countries? What's up with that? Grrrrr.....


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

Take note that the Senate passed ACA with only a simple majority '' reconsideration '' . It takes a 60 vote on the ACA legislation .The Obama administration and the Senate leadership don't follow the Constitution

12/17/13 A Plan For Jobs & Economic Growth http://www.speaker.gov/jobs

9/8/14 Our Economic Recovery Is Stuck in the Senate http://www.speaker.gov/op-ed/boehner-timecom-our-e...

6/4/12 Obama’s Acts Of Treason & Violations Of Federal Laws http://www.nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vi... Congress D’s refuse to act?

have a good day and don't forget to VOTE in Nov


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Really. Bush did the same thing to get his tax cuts......was it unconstitutional then.....sure didn't hear about it.

Congress D's have no power. It's Issssa and Bohner holding the keys. And the purse strings.

And why do you think Scott Brown moved to New Hampshire to run for senate there. He's the one that gave the R's filibuster Senate. Over for him in Mass...so he moves to NH!

Our economic recovery is stuck with the R's, who VOWED to do nothing until that Boy is out of office. And let me tell you: What goes around, comes around.

The presidency is no longer an office given respect. now THAT is spitting on the Constitution!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

DA

it's time for the purple ink finger .ACLU wants every one who shows up to vote . That's fine except that bad guys show up in more places to vote multi times. In Cincinatti a nice lady admitted she voted 7 times. Blacks were bussed to the polls, Romney lost Ohio, wonder why


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

Sounds like an old story.

6/8/12 OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO

GEE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CsrTMZAhA

WHOIS WHO in Gov http://commieblaster.com/progressives/index.html?v... … SHARED AGENDAS BARACK OBAMA

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory...

who ever reported the above did a fine job?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Not as old as 2001. As I've stated many times: I am waiting for justice on the RW fascists.....you can harp on your "commie dems".

I do not forget, nor move on. It's too important to just sweep under the rug.

It has been most of my lifetime with these bloviated greedy suits in power.....and much death an suffering....un-necessary pain and hardship, just so a few can live like King Midas.

and as I've also stated.....I believe there are good people fighting the BDS's(bloviated greedy suits)---in the military, alphabet agencies and gvt.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/07/preventing...

And one more thing....God is not fooled. And God searches the heart. And God travels the circuits of Heaven......

I KNOW we are not meant to act this way....we have been infiltraited long ago.

High intelligence is nothing compare to a compassionate heart. This is human. Humanity is good and noble. Not this farce we have become.

IMO


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"I do not forget, nor move on. It's too important to just sweep under the rug."

I agree: USS Cole, Benghazi...


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junko 2 years ago Author

Benghazi was much less a misguided action on the part of the. President than the war in Iraq. Benghazi was caused by Tea Party cuts.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Benghazi was caused by Tea Party cuts."

Oh My.

What color is the sky in your world?


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junko 2 years ago Author

Extreme suffering for millions of working class and the poor the last four years was caused by Tea Party cuts. My sky looks blue except at night. I think the Sun has something to do it.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

junko

What tea party cuts are you referring to, can you be more to clarify.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ah yes, the sequester! Which--they blame on Obama!!! The gvt shut-down: 24 billion worth.....ooooh, such cost-savers they are. derp

And I'm thinking more in the lines of USS Liberty and 9-11.

Constant wars in the Middle East to remove Muslims.....and our funding of genocide for someone else's benefit.

You see--we all have grievances, don't we....

We all know things......

The challenge is to know the truth: Not the story they are selling.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Extreme suffering for millions of working class and the poor the last four years was caused by Tea Party cuts. "

It's a conundrum... the Tea Party can cause massive cuts and stifle government activity as a minority party ... BUT the Democrats are powerless unless they have a majority...

A precious few Tea Party patriots ostensibly inflicted budget cuts causing boo boos for 'millions' of people. On the the other hand, Liberals whine because they didn't have a majority.

Something's not right here.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yes, they can. House of Reptiles controls the money. Scott Brown gave them filibuster Senate.

And the only whiners I see are the Tea Party fake patriots.....who puts another country ahead of their own....no one I would call a patriot.

Who cuts from Americans, but increases to another! High Treason if you aks me (s-o to Rushburger Limpnodes)


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junko 2 years ago Author

Lovemychris I surely like the way you teach. You're an Educator in debate. My hat off to nicomp in Jon for their will to debate. Conservatives Federal State and local seem afraid to debate or discuss publicly their ideas. They will meet and discuss their Base politics with like-minded Base conservatives. Jon and nicomp have some truth and views that I can use to fill in liberal blanks.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I agree! Plenty of Right-leaners here just delete comments and call people names. I call that afraid to stand for your beliefs.....and they are just that: beliefs! Not commands from on high.

Anyone who will join in and not leave people out is a-ok!

No one knows what it's like to HAVE freedom until it's taken away.....


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris , props to you for not deleting my posts. We can disagree without becoming too disagreeable.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I would never delete a post! Only did it once, when I thought it was a goon from the local blog.....who called me a C U Next Tuesday. And even then I regretted it. I wholly believe in free speech. Free body. Free mind. And this is meant for everybody!--not just those like me.

And, I think most people feel that way: live and let live.

We let the power-holders keep everyone down......and they have that power by deceipt and manipulation.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

LoveMyChris, we virulently disagree on politics but I would be pleased to live next door to you.

You do keep up the lawn care, right? ;)


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

junko

My I add

An old story http://hubpages.com/politics/PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA-... … Will it happen Senate? WASTE in agencies $9 TRILL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs

Sequestration was Obama's plan not the Republicans


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Of course. Once a month, for 70 bucks. I chose the landscaping service because they once pulled my car out of the driveway for free.....good people!

as far as the sequester:

"It is a direct result of the insistence by GOP leaders in the summer of 2011 that they would not raise the federal debt ceiling unless President Obama agreed to dramatic spending cuts."

http://swampland.time.com/2013/03/04/the-sequester...

“This will be the first significant tea party victory in that we got what we set out to do in changing Washington,” said Rep. Tim Huelskamp (Kan.), a tea party Republican elected in 2010.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/spending-cu...

"As the “sequester” unfolds in Washington, we see this same old pattern holding firm: Republican leaders, now hustling to shirk responsibility for the catastrophe they predicted, insist those automated budget axes won’t do any damage at all."

http://www.nationalmemo.com/eventually-sequester-w...

"In an email, Koch brothers’ front group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), sent congratulations to Republicans and their supporters around the country for helping push sequester cuts AFP says are “an important step forward for economic growth.” The email continued, “Americans for Prosperity thanks Speaker John Boehner and House Republicans for standing up to President Obama and making sure the $85 billion in much-needed sequester spending cuts took effect,” and it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Koch brothers and Republicans own the sequester and are giddy at the prospect of a recession and killing millions of jobs. One aspect of sequester cuts little mentioned is that the devastating $85 billion for 2013 is just the beginning of greater domestic spending cuts, devastating effects on anti-poverty programs, Medicare, and without cessation, the end of recovery."

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-koch-bro...

"In an exclusive interview with Jake Tapper on CNN, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) replied to a question about the sequester by admitting that Obama ‘didn’t want the cuts.’

BOEHNER: And so, he (Obama) forced this process to occur. And insisted –

TAPPER: But he didn’t want the sequester cuts –

BOEHNER: Well, no, he didn’t want the cuts, but uh, uh, oh, we have the sequester as a result of his demands."

http://www.politicususa.com/john-boehner-admits-pr...

******

Do you forget what this is all about....Gvt is bad...gvt spends too much.....we need to cut cut cut.

Does this REALLY sound like Obama to you....

Or the other side. Get real!


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junko 2 years ago Author

Jon: The President excepted that Trojan Horse called a Sequester because it included cuts to the defense budget and he felt the GOP Hawks would not allow that to happen. He was right they didn't allow that to happen but they did allow social domestic cuts. I commented on your hub link provided and left my personal opinion.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

Boy am I confused. The President claims things are better today than when he took office. The economy is growing, unemployment is down. A miracle?


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Boy am I confused. The President claims things are better today than when he took office. The economy is growing, unemployment is down. A miracle?"

You should be confused. If I max out my credit cards and we have a great Christmas, you might say things are better. When the bill comes due, not so much.


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junko 2 years ago Author

Maybe the confusion stems the fact that it is utterly impossible to compare the Federal Budget to our personal houses budget. That thought was created to keep it simple' it's not that simple.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

Don't forget to VOTE in NOV for the Senate to change, change that hopefully will get the government back on track to provide jobs.


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junko 2 years ago Author

Jon I know I left you a comment on the link you provided 34 hours ago. I am very surprise it is not posted, whats up with that Jon?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

If they cared about jobs--we'd have them.

They care about donors, and right now they are too busy making money oversea and hoarding it in Switserland.

And this pres has done incredible under the brick wall of Republican Hate.

We are much better off than under Bush, and we'd be fantastic without the TeaRepubs in congress and their Citisens United mafia blocking every move.

I will NEVER forgive them, or forget what they did. Curse on them forever!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

I approved the link ,can't tell you what happened Junko your opinions are always INTERESTING!


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junko 2 years ago Author

Ok Jon I posted another comment on your hub and notice a couple of hubbers that I know will and have deleted post that disagree with their views. Maybe those hubbers had something to do with my comment disappearing. I didn't think you feared opinions of others.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Maybe the confusion stems the fact that it is utterly impossible to compare the Federal Budget to our personal houses budget. That thought was created to keep it simple' it's not that simple."

It's simpler, or it should be. The federal budget should never borrow money. Nothing should be off budget (Social Security). Only Congress should budget funds.


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junko 2 years ago Author

And your point is what in relations to my comment about the confusion experienced by you and Jon, nicomp?


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

JUNKO

CONFUSION as to what the President is telling the American people, mostly distortions of fact. Obama has in 8years never had a budget passed.6/6/14 CBO Gives Up Trying to Figure Out How Much Obamacare Costs https://www.uschamber.com/blog/cbo-gives-trying-fi...

10/17/14 Dems tie Ebola woes to budget cuts, conservatives say ‘’ nonsense’’ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/17/dems-ti...

7/14/14 The White House Is Bribing Health Insurance Companies http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/07/...

8/5/14 The Obama Administration’s Transparency Website Fails to Report $619 B in Federal Spending http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/05/the-oba...

GAO reports $619B missing from 302 federal programs

There always seem to be more when the President has his photo ops.

In Nov the people will have their chance to make a change. VOTE!


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junko 2 years ago Author

Yes Jon, I will vote next week. I can't wait until Nov. to offer rides to the voting polls.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

You are giving rides to legal registered voters, I hope. Last election in Cincinnati voters were bused into the polls. One lady admitted she voted 9 times ,she was proud of her actions.

Being originally from Chicago ,I am aware how the Dems operate in important elections. '' The end justifies the means '', sad to say.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

@Junko , I think so. I am confused at this point.


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junko 2 years ago Author

Jon you and all that fear voter fraud is full of it. Voter fraud is not a factor in their electorbility, it's what they say and than do that they fear in the 2014 Midterm Election. All lies die when the truth is told election day. If the tea party republicans take control of the senate you, and I hope you are still a 24/7 caregiver and your patient is doing well. You may not be able to pay for private healthcare after public healthcare is phased out to save you from federal taxes and the private sector healthcare from public competition. Stop look listen than vote.


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junko 2 years ago Author

nicomp you've been so confused here lately, you worry me. Whats your confusion?


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

I'm just confused over the thread of comments. I'm clear on the issues.


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junko 2 years ago Author

nicomp be as clear as possible and not vague at all. You are confused by what exactly?


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

'' . All lies die when the truth is told election day.''

10/15/14 Budget deficit falls to $483B, a six- year low http://thehill.com/policy/finance/220814-federal-d... increase of 9% in revenue

9/17/14 Boehner: House Takes ‘ Important, Initial Step Forward in Taking on Isil’ http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/boehner-house... BREAKING: House approves $1 trillion spending bill to avoid government shutdown, 319-108

5/14/14 Obama Administration still silent on $37 billion Obamacare Tax endangering Medicaid Plans http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/14/obama-admin-stil...

10/17/14 Dems tie Ebola woes to budget cuts, conservatives say ‘’ nonsense’’ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/17/dems-ti...

5/8/14 Obamacares’s Health Insurance Tax Could Cost Up to 286,000 JOBS

https://www.uschamber.com/blog/obamacares-health-i...

6/6/14 CBO Gives Up Trying to Figure Out How Much Obamacare Costs https://www.uschamber.com/blog/cbo-gives-trying-fi...

Which links are true or false? Your comments to enlighten the facts, please


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Your links are all from the same source: radical right wing

Don't you recall Fox went to court to win the right to lie

Rand Paul said spreading misinformation is useful

Chamber of Commerce is wed to Koch and friends

Anything they SAY is tainted, an cannot be believed.

They have agenda: Tax the poor, feed the rich. Kill the country to increase profits.

They need to be stopped--and pronto!


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Just come out and say it! Stop using stupid titles for their theft and take-over! It's not "Freedom Works", it's Money Talks! It's not "Opportunity", it's Bankrupt you for profit.......example of a ruse-- a very unsavory one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/w...

Desmogblog.com:

"In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy. There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness."

Just say it!!! They want to be free to do whatever they want business-wise, while subverting our rights as Human Beings: forcing us to bend to their creepy religion, and preventng those who don't cow-tow to them from voting!

if you didn't see this: listen to what he says about oil industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmbtqK5peY


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Libertarians ala RW...that's the real ruse. or "I'm Independent, Third Party"....yeah, right

--privatizing prisons with gruesome results, privatize the federal government and strip us of anything that might protect us from the Kochs and the rest of the oligarchy, and dismantle all the social programs including Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, college grants, minimum wage laws, even child labor laws — and in return, they’ll let you smoke pot.

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gary-johnson-swi...

Keep in mind--both Ron and Rand support personhood for fetus's...subjugation for women, IMO

Rand Paul has aligned with the Likudniks in Israel.....hey--Hows that freedom for Palestinians.....

Fullofsh*tniks...that's what they are....IMOO

ok, DONE

thanks, junko ;-)


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

Very interesting comments, which ones are false. The proof is in the pudding, how about telling us where you are getting information that is the whole truth without distortions.

Have a great day!


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

umm-I linked them all. And I don't claim it as truth...it is MY truth. I also get a lot of stuff from rense.com.....which is where I see all the Obama stuff that's floating around here. A whole hub anti-Obama--all the conspiracies, and not one source. smh

I also like Veterans Today.

David Icke

Information Clearinghouse

another one too--can't think of name...

But, Fox, Beck and Commerce....you don't even have to read them to know what they will say

They are one way streets....and it's all hatred, distortions and lies, IMO. Sick of it. Seriously!

BTW: heard on radio....Dems use CNN, MSNBC, ABC CBS, etc for "news"....R's use Fox and talk radio.....dat's it

~~~all Obama Hate , all the Time

Have a great day yourself!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

Thank you, i will check them out except for mainstream distortions galore.

Fox news '' reports you decide '' they show the word of POTUS in previous speeches he gives , lies and distortion . Whitehouse.gov a propaganda channel. C-span is great you see and hear the real thing.

10/1/12

Mainstream media is threatening our country's future

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/29/mainstre...

I think we’re at the most dangerous time in our political hist

A MEDIA COVER UP

Benghazi whistle blower HEARING LIVE C-Span 3

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SConsulat

POTUS ‘’ to tell truth

8/16/13

Fee Games: Banks Must Pay Fed New $440M Oversight Fee

http://www.forbes.com/sites/halahtouryalai/2013/08...

The Federal Reserve announced it will collect an annual fee from the nation’s biggest financial firms another hidden tax

Obama's General Motors [GM] Tarp Bailout - The Untold Details

http://hubpages.com/politics/Obama-General-Motors-...

Obama admits he is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature

2/25/10 THE HEALTHCARE SUMMIT? LIVE on C SPAN

http://www.c-span.org/video/?292260-1/white-house-health-care-summit-part-1

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c232/clip-white-house-health-care-summit-part-2

Good reading to understand the true facts.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yes--I love c-span too! Sorry--but Fox is hate-mongering propaganda machine....I will never set eyes on it ever. I've learned enough in this life to see BS when it spreads. For example: Having a correspondent say that the president hates white people.....they have Ted Nugent on--the one who told the president to suck on his machine gun, and Hilary to ride it. They had Ollie North as a commentator--said the president hates America;;;;;OLLIE NORTH, who shredded documents and lied to Congress. Iran-Contra big shot. Yeah--I'm listening to HIM slander this pres....not in this lifetime.

http://gawker.com/5814309/jon-stewart-reads-off-la...

Liars Liars--Pants on Fyah!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

A very interesting reply to the above links. Jon Stewart is a comic political character ,very interesting. All news medias cut to fill in the allotted time that the program is allowed. Fox News programs have way too many commercials now that they are # 1 on the tube.

You haven't showed any lies that fox has reported.

I did check your links and have no comments.

To each his own to obtain political knowledge.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

May I add Obama's Promises 2009

http://hubpages.com/politics/barakobamacampaignpro...


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

whhhhhhhat.....everything Stewart listed was a Fox lie!!

sheeeeesh

"The attorneys for Fox, owned by media baron Rupert Murdoch, argued the First Amendment gives broadcasters the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on the public airwaves."

http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-la...

Remember when they had actors on pretending big bad Obama had hurt them....

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/lies-d...

And of course, if it's not big bad Obama, it's big bad Muslims

http://mic.com/articles/63779/5-lies-about-muslims...

Everything out of their mouths is suspect, and tainted towards their hateful agenda.

BTW--on election coverage, I saw a clip--Oliver North said Obama hates America.....I can't even begin to say how that makes me feel. When I went back to college after my kids were older, one of my first papers was "Why isn't Oliver North in jail"

"Nine Fox News hosts and contributors are headlining 2014 fundraisers for Republican organizations across the country. The network employees are participating in Lincoln Day Dinners, annual fundraisers usually held near the beginning of the year that provide significant support for local party groups.

The Fox fundraisers include hosts Mike Huckabee, Oliver North, and Andrea Tantaros; and contributors John Bolton, Deneen Borelli, Ben Carson, Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, and Allen West"

http://mediamatters.org/tags/oliver-north

Wasn't Keith Olberman suspended for making a contribution to a democrat....

Do you still believe the birther nonsense....that was Fox Favorite, wasn't it.....

Remember G-D America....for weeks. But they never mentioned Palin's hubby and herself connection to AIP--whose leader said "I won't be buried under that flag" (ours)

Snuck to Canada for medical care...cause "USA USA USA"

To each his own is totally correct. And since Fox is number one.....we are in big big trouble.

And you all have nothing to complain about, do you.....you get to Lord it over us all

"Obama is a rat, Obama is evil, Obama hates America, Obama blah blah blah...."

But what about Bush....."Stfu you anti-American loser!! Move to Cuba, join Sharia law, it's over, it's over, it's over".....

It is never over: You don't get to re-write.

Or pretend . Or three card monty the situation.....

"Why George H.W. Bush has always been, and still is. vehemently opposed to declassifying files on the President John Fitzgerald Kennedy Assassination?"

2017......thanks to Oliver Stone, those files will be opened.

And IMO--you will see why Bush is never over....starting with Prescott.


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junko 2 years ago Author

"In November 2008 Barack Obama was elected President by the people to serve all the people in governing OUR great nation." " Obama was elected either because of his color, because of his political affiliation or because of his promise to bring change to Washington" Why did the other Presidents win their elections? Jon you wrote those two sentences to express, what? I think they are telling and an insight on your bias toward the first black president of America. How many Presidents you know that fulfilled all campaign promises or hopes the first year of their Presidency? I don't think you will answer or acknowledge my questions about this hub you wrote and asked me to consider but, I am still asking. I did leave you a comment there and hope it don,t disappear again.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Why George H.W. Bush has always been, and still is. vehemently opposed to declassifying files on the President John Fitzgerald Kennedy Assassination?"

The classic liberal 'nyah nyah' argument. Likening classified Kennedy assassination files to Barack Hussein Obama's college transcripts is blindingly specious.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Not really--you accuse Obama of doing things....I accuse Bush. You're not better than me.

You just think so. IMO


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Not really--you accuse Obama of doing things....I accuse Bush. You're not better than me."

The sad partisanship of Liberals.

Liberal politics is built upon a Straw Man argument: if your guy is accused, simply respond by accusing the other major party of the same thing. Somehow this makes sense to those who can only see two parties.

Mindless and illogical. Sigh.

As Famous Uniformed Liberal John Lennon said: "Whatever gets you through the night."


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Nope--we need you to admit how you effed up, cause you want to get in there and do it again!

That Scott Brown is a despicable person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE1TkIThijo

They just keep coming and coming.

Until you admit your policies destroy--we will have to keep reminding you.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

I responded to your comment again, where it is going , can't tell you.

The office of the presidency should be respected by all citizens,the person who sits in that office is judged by his actions.6/4/12 Obama’s Acts Of Treason & Violations Of Federal Laws http://www.nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vi... Congress D’s refuse to act?

… SHARED AGENDAS BARACK OBAMA http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory...

6/8/12 OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO

GEE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5CsrTMZAhA

Actions speak louder than words!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Junko

True or False?

Obama tells Egyptian Foreign Minister Ghett

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/20...

OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature

Obama admits he is a Muslin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

3/10/12

The Obama's don't want this video to be seen in 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2s4tob5U8

The American people are concerned about the present and future of our nation, jobs and the economy for starters.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"That Scott Brown is a despicable person. "

There's a cogent political argument.

"Until you admit your policies destroy--we will have to keep reminding you."

But as long as your baseline is the other party you will always be miserable. I think you can do better, but I am beginning to doubt myself.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I'm not miserable...what gall to assume that!

The Rs are making this country miserable, however, and need to be stopped.

And Scott Brown is despicable...listen to him speak, He's filled with venom....like many many Baggers you run across.

I don't worship money and Bibi--therefore, can't relate.

He's just as hateful as you all towards Obama, and with that type of person you know what you get: Repeal Obamacare, make tax cuts for rich permanent , get rid of help for the poor.

"Kansas under Brownback’s leadership epitomizes extreme Koch brother policies they helped enact by engineering a Republican-Tea Party legislature that it is arguably the most conservative, religious, and libertarian in the nation; a legislature and governor that believe, like national Republicans, they are on a mission from god. Subsequently, they have dealt Kansas some serious Old Testament ruination that is a portent of what a Koch-directed Republican government will subject the entire nation to if given the chance."

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/08/republican-...

NO WAY JOSE!


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"And Scott Brown is despicable...listen to him speak, He's filled with venom....like many many Baggers you run across."

irony, anyone?

"He's just as hateful as you all towards Obama, and with that type of person you know what you get: Repeal Obamacare, make tax cuts for rich permanent , get rid of help for the poor."

cliche, anyone?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Truth!

We've been hearing for 30+ years how tax cuts "spurn the economy and job growth"...lie, anyone

Here is how you do it.....and no one feels any pain

http://www.businessweek.com/

"When Brown took office two years ago, the state had a $27 billion deficit. Standard & Poor’s (MHP) rated California’s credit the worst of the 50 states, and 24/7 Wall St. ranked it as the worst-run state in its 2011 and 2012 surveys.

This year, California will have an $850 million budget surplus in the coming fiscal year. Unemployment, which peaked at 12.4 percent just before Brown took office, is 9.4 percent. S&P has upgraded its outlook on the state.

Voters, he says, finally felt so much pain from cuts to schools and libraries and basic services that they were willing to pay for them. Or, more accurately, the disproportionately left-leaning voters who went to the polls in November 2012 were willing to tax the rich to pay for them. "

Much like Obama, who inherited a deficit, and TRIED to do: increasing taxes on Uber Rich keeps money in America, rather than Swiss and Cayman Islands *RMoney cough* *cheerleading by Scott Brown cough*

Your policies hurt America, and we have ample evidence.

No More. Stay Out the Bushes!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Hubbers

check this link and comment

10/25/14 Offshore firms still get government contracts http://thehill.com/policy/finance/other/221851-off...

Solar Power, The Future Is Here ? http://hubpages.com/politics/SolarPower_TheFutureI... nothing new?


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Much like Obama, who inherited a deficit, and TRIED to do: increasing taxes on Uber Rich keeps money in America, rather than Swiss and Cayman Islands *RMoney cough* *cheerleading by Scott Brown cough*"

Obama inherited a deficit and nursed it into a much bigger deficit.

Anyway, I think we should put the Uber Rich in jail and take all their money and give it to Uber Poor because we haven't spent enough trillions on making lifer fair for everyone.


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junko 2 years ago Author

I think we should put some uber rich in state penitentiary and not federal camps used as time out for foolish uber rich. I also think we need More federal regulations to control foolish uber rich wall street bankers. Crime is crime no white collar or black collar. If taking a hundred $100.00 with a gun can get you 20 years to life, taking a $100,000 000 with modern technology should not get a slap on the wrist and a retirement package. I agree with you nicomp. I knew we agreed more then disagreed about alot.


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

Junko, precisely. The Uber Rich should be rounded up and made to eat cucumber sandwiches WITH crusts. We uber poor must teach them that actions have consequences.


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junko 2 years ago Author

The uber poor knows the consequence of being poor. The uber rich didn't take their money from the uber poor they got it from the Federal government ( Tax Revenue),most of the trillions spent to up lift the uber poor was misdirected and used to pay six figure salaries to thousands to managed the distribution of Federal funds. Let the uber rich eat cake.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Nicomp

'' "Much like Obama, who inherited a deficit, '' D's took over majority control of both Houses in 2007 . 2009 2010 D'S and Obama had 100% of government. Obama and Company were the cause of the recession, POTUS didn't inherit it! 6 years and $6+trillion and counting . Wake up America, Reid gotta go, VOTE IN NOVEMBER


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Obama's deficit increased, because he put Junior's war on it!: something junior FAILED TO DO--Junior Bush used the China credit card. Dad Obama had to be the grown-up. AS he continues to do, amidst the squawls and squawks and continuous crying....waa waaa waaa--NO dad, we won't let you do anything!

Dems had full card monty for very short time. Then Kennedy died, and Brown came in and became the filibuster-man.

They got the ACA passed: monumental

Then it was No No No No No No No No no no no No No no from then on: Thanks Scotty. NOT

Meanwhile, Republicans had full control for 6 years......and nothing can be accredited to them....nothing!

It's amasing. The incredible, invisible people!

but their mouths are HUGE: "All that is happening in America is the fault of Barry Hussein and the Liberal Lefty Commies who want to destroy her, create a Muslim Caliphate and kill your grannies, rape your daughters and take your guns and all your money."

BE AFRAID! BE AFRAID! YOU NEED A STRONG RIGHY TO SAVE YOU--LIKE WE DID IN 2010......when they proceeded to take away rights left and right......and strengthen the hold money has on this place. Citisens United, Shut-down, Sequester, Emergency Managers (This is a takeover by the right wing and it’s an assault on democracy like I’ve never seen.”~ Mark Gaffney, Michigan State President of the AFL-CIO.)

.....oh I know, I KNOW.....it's all Obamas doing. Invisible people can't be blamed!

And they are waiting, poised, with mouths foaming, to do it some more. Beasts of prey, disguised as true American patriots.

Well, guess what......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8On3UiBOTdQ


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Obama's deficit increased, because he put Junior's war on it!: something junior FAILED TO DO--Junior Bush used the China credit card. "

I'm sorry but this makes absolutely no sense. None. All humor aside I have no clue what this means. Are you somehow implying that Barack Hussein Obama does not borrow money? Do you not understand deficit spending?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Apparently you don't....it's down now under BO, yet your mouth-pieces keep screeching about how high the deficit is.

MUCH lower under Obama, yet the defaming and undermining of the American president continues

"Regan showed us deficits don't matter"--Dickles Cheney

How soon they forget. Good thing I don't.

Maybe you missed it......Obama beats Reagan:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05...

You have a new conservative hero!!


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"Apparently you don't....it's down now under BO, yet your mouth-pieces keep screeching about how high the deficit is."

No, it's not. Barack Hussein Obama ramped the deficit dramatically after promising to balance the budget during his campaign. You don't understand government economics: cutting the *rate* of spending increase is considered a spending cut in their twisted world.

"Maybe you missed it......Obama beats Reagan:"

Maybe you missed it: Reagan had much more of an economic dumpster fire because he took over from Jimmy Carter. It was in all the papers.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ahaha!

So,Reagan messed up because of Carter!.....

My, how the mighty have fallen.

And in your world, redistributing to rich people is valid policy.

Isn't that trickle getting a little stale? 3o+years of it and actually it smells to high heaven

Now that you want to refute Forbes, dont use it again to champion crapitalism.

Ignore the truth....Obama has been good for America.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

HUBBERS

The Forbes article was most interesting until I went to page 2of 2

Economically, President Obama’s administration has outperformed . Simultaneously the current administration has reduced the deficit, which . Additionally, Obama has reduced federal employment, Reagan (especially when including military personnel,) and truly delivered a “smaller government.”

Today the government controls 60% of the economy. Obama has increased the size of government 25%. The Obama administration has added $6+ trillion to the national debt.

The author lost all credibility and posted a biased report, the mainstream media is silent to the economy.

8/18/14 Lawsuit:White House Accused Of Hiding Politically Embarrassing Information http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/18/lawsuit-white-ho... still has not provided the information

5/14/14 Obama Administration still silent on $37 billion Obamacare Tax endangering Medicaid Plans http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/14/obama-admin-stil...

7/14/14 The White House Is Bribing Health Insurance Companies http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/07/...

5/8/14 Obamacares’s Health Insurance Tax Could Cost Up to 286,000 JOBS

https://www.uschamber.com/blog/obamacares-health-i...

6/6/14 CBO Gives Up Trying to Figure Out How Much Obamacare Costs https://www.uschamber.com/blog/cbo-gives-trying-fi...

10/23/14 Five Points Roadmap: Solving Our Spending Problem http://www.speaker.gov/general/five-points-roadmap...

8/5/14 The Obama Administration’s Transparency Website Fails to Report $619 B in Federal Spending http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/05/the-oba...

GAO reports $619B missing from 302 federal programs

10/7/14 Taxpayers spend $157 mil for Union work http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2554498/ in fiscal 2012 about 60% of federal workers are represented by unions

5/13/14 Employees at ObamaCare contractor paid to do nothing http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3564202506001/emplo...

There is so much more to report , mainstream media so so silent! REALLY


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Hubbers

10/16/12 The Federal Budget, 1992-2012 http://www.heritage.org/multimedia/infographic/201... FACTS


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

US chamber, the Blasé(Glenn Beck), Fox, Examiner, Heritage.....MSM, Righty style!

They are silent on a WHOLE lot: 9-11-2001 comes to mind....and Kennedy assassination. King's family don't believe Ray killed him....a WHOLE lot remains silent!

We could have a google war: all citing our own "facts".

Matters not.

We live our lives, and we all have our own truths.

We DO need to vote.....it's a critical time, and my daughter will tell me they all suck.

But I'm reaching Geeserville...and I was here with Kennedy, King....the hope and the feeling of LOVE....

And I was here with Reagan and Bushes....the feeling of claws around my neck.

Are we the America I knew growing up, warts and all....or are we fodder for Homeland Security Industrial Complex: the next Gasa

WE decide.

Not articles, not BS, not stupid lying propaganda and character smearing.

I KNOW life is better with Dems in charge.....from experience.

No amount of spin can change that.

Join us, or say goodbye.

Americorp, USA.....selling jobs an people to the lowest bidder.--This, I refuse to support.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Lovemychris

''Please tell us what Obama has done that's good for America.Obama has been good for America''. You live in the past, it's the future and the present that one should be concerned about.

'' life is better with Dems in charge...from experience.''

For you that may be true, for others it may be different.

Take home pay is less, 30 hr work weeks , forced on the people by Obamacare.The middle class is skrinking , poverty is increasing,92.6 million workers not working, 49% do not pay federal taxes, federal spending increasing and no change in sight ( another 2 years for Obama)

NOTE Dems have had 2/3s control of our government, 2007-2008,2011-2014 and in 2009-2010 Obama and the Dems had 100% control. Senator Reid has been in control of the Senate 2007-2014.

1. 1/02/14 Fox remains top cable news channel in 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/...

2. 8/13/10 USA Today federal workers earning double their private counterparts http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/incom...

3.5/25/14 IRS bars Employers From Dumping Workers Into Health Exchangers http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/us/irs-bars-empl...

4.4/21/14 Congressional Budget Office projections on ObamaCare raise questions about future enrollment

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/congres...

5.5/17/14 Reid wants a no-surprises Senate http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/206399-reid-wan... Reid wants to pick Rs amendments first ‘dictate’

6. 6/28/14 Election-year fears slow Senate work to a halt http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/28/electio... 2007-2014 Reid leads Senate obstructing House job bills

7.10/25/14 Offshore firms still get government contracts http://thehill.com/policy/finance/other/221851-off...

8. 5/8/14 GOP House Guest Post: Helping Women & Families http://www.speaker.gov/general/guest-post-helping-... House passed the Working Families Flexibility Act, Senate NO VOTE

We could go on and on, MANY in hub land will not accept the news reporting, rightfully so. Propaganda rules (whitehouse.gov) 8/5/14 The Obama Administration’s Transparency Website Fails to Report $619 B in Federal Spending http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/05/the-oba...

GAO reports $619B missing from 302 federal programs

VOTE in Nov, that is your right!


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"And in your world, redistributing to rich people is valid policy.

Isn't that trickle getting a little stale? 3o+years of it and actually it smells to high heaven"

Ummm... no. Since LBJ"s Great Society debacle we have redistributed trillions from the middle class and the rich to the poor. The results really do smell, we agree on that.

Seriously, you do need to read a little history. MSNBC and The Daily Show shouldn't be your only news outlets.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

So explain to me why poor got poorer, and rich got filthy.

it dint happen by accident.

I mean its an obscenity that one person has 3.5 billion, while other people starve.

it really is a sickness. Thank god I dint get infected!

Maybe we shoul quarenteen the filthy rich. Mars sounds good to me!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Hubbers

There is something missing in todays society

1.You shall have no other gods before Me.

2.You shall not make idols.

3.You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

5.Honor your father and your mother.

6.You shall not murder.

7.You shall not commit adultery.

8.You shall not steal.

9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10.You shall not covet.

love and obedience to the laws of God and Country. Evil is wining over good now in the world!


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

It only wants you to think that.....actually, evil is having it's last hurrah: because it knows time is up.

IMO only.

Honestly!!!! We as human beings are not bad...we are so pelted with BS is seeps into our core!~


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Holy Prophet and King David (Psalm 145:3-4 according to the LXX)

"To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never to forget."

Arundhati Roy

"Thou shalt not be a victim.

Thou shalt not be a perpetrator.

And above all,

Thou shalt not be a bystander"


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Hubbers

'' To respect strength, never power'' 6/4/12 Obama’s Acts Of Treason & Violations Of Federal Laws http://www.nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/vi... Congress D’s refuse to act?

In Washington today, right is wrong and wrong is right. Vote in Nov for a change in the Senate!

8/18/14 Lawsuit:White House Accused Of Hiding Politically Embarrassing Information http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/18/lawsuit-white-ho... still has not provided the information

OPEN GOVERNMENT??


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Republicans refused to act on Bush.

END OF STORY.

The die is cast....we opted for letting him get away w it. President is untouchable. By YOUR decree!!

Surely, you aren't suggesting we go after Obama, when we let Bush off...

That would lack complete integrity

If R's take Senate, it is over for America.

No hyperbole.....just the Reign of the 5th Reich

Gvt has never been open. If you are just caring about that now......what does that say about you

"Read my lips"

"America doesn't torture"

Shredding documents

Going in front of Congress, but NOT under oath......PULLEAAASE!


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

Lovemychris

''Please tell us what Obama has done that's good for America.Obama has been good for America''. You live in the past, it's the future and the present that one should be concerned about.

Still waiting for a response, Obama's been in office 6 years now. Dems still control 2/3s of government, 1/3 cannot make law. Therefore maybe the people WILL VOTE for Change .


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

1 third control the House of reps, where agenda is set, and money is allotted. 1 third have 60 vote filibuster power in senate, which they have used on BO equal to all previous combined. 1 third have stated their objective is to make him fail. 1third is ruining this country by the power they have over the rest of us...who apparently are not entitle to get what we voted for.

Obama has changed the message. From "you are our base, and we will support you"--Republican mantra to Ultra Rich. Said by Dickles Cheney at 1st Junior inauguration, to "The rest of you matter too"

The invisible people, those without bootstraps.--THESE Obama singles out.

He has done amasing things behind the scenes to uplift humanity, despite the disgusting war-mongering he is forced to support.....

But at least he isn't gung-ho-granny.....and one of his adm called Netanyahu a chicken-sh*t--which makes my day!

Here is an interesting opinion which I can go long with:

"The Zionists want World War III in the Middle East and believe that a GOP Congress, led by Israeli assets such as McCain and Lindsey Graham are more likely to force it upon a reluctant, disobedient, and weakened Obama, in much the same way that the Spanish-American War was forced upon President McKinley.

The Zionist neo-cons who own the GOP (and many Dems too) are often at odds with the Globalists (Soros, Brzezinski etc) whose main emphasis is China and Russia, not Israel. These overlapping forces form the basis for a factional rivalry that goes on within the NWO crime family.

It's not a phony left-right scam, or at least its real to the middle to higher level operatives involved. This rivalry among cousin-criminals, even if it may ultimately be controlled at the very top, plays a major role in world politics. Powerful forces for war, including The Slimes and the rest of the piranha press, are out to neuter Obama."

I say we don't let them.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lovemychris

''1third is ruining this country by the power they have over the rest of us...who apparently are not entitle to get what we voted for.'' TRUE

Senator Reid kills legislation by not allowing legislation to the floor for our elected officials to voice the peoples concerns.

POTUS took an oath of office to defend the Constitution and the laws of the land, he fails to perform according to the Constitution.

COMPROMISE is how legislation becomes law. All the peoples reps should be permitted to debate,amend and VOTE.

5/17/14 Reid wants a no-surprises Senate http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/206399-reid-wan... Reid wants to pick Rs amendments first ‘dictate’

AMEN


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junko 2 years ago Author

"AMEN" ??? Jon until you are willing to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you should not involve God in your personal views of the President. God has nothing to do with conservative views that you continue to parrot. What will it profit you for Republicans to gain the Senate and you lose your soul and government aid?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh--He'll be grandfathered in--as will numerous other RW hubbers who decry the gvt while hands are out....."I worked for it"......you worked for 4 years of it. The rest Me and My kids are working to pay for right now!

Let's see......medicare, social security, good jobs w good bennies, decent retirement: unless you got taken by Kenny boy Lay--Praise God.

And NOW they hate gvt!

well, I don't.

I'm still working to pay FICA...I'll take the part you hate!

I could use it, what w the price of everything so high. (*profits, profits, profits*)

Boy, Mittens complains about a 14% tax on his millions (that he claims*wink* *wink*)

How would he like a 100% of his labor going just to survive--not thrive, survive.

Obama helped me....gave me $400 lee-way off taxes, ACA, actually got lot of alternatives off the ground. SPOKE of my plight to the world....... Yay!

But the stench and clench (hahaha) of Big Oil pollutes everything.

Just like the stench of Fox and hate-talk radio pollute the air-waves.

Twasn't always this way......Twerps didn't rule.

Little teeny twerps with little teeny minds and shrunken hearts.

"I'll get you my pretty....and yer little dog too!"--this is what I see when I think of them.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

My Friends in Hubland

In my pocket on my keychain, I have a metal.

ONE SIDE reads '' LORD make me an instrument of your peace''

OTHER SIDE reads '' where their is hatred let me sow love''

it has been with me a long long long time. LMC sound like son # 2, who works for the federal government. He complains about supporting his mom / dad by his paying SS taxes and whatever, he forgets that we had to pay when I was working supporting the family and paying TAXES

8/5/14 The Obama Administration’s Transparency Website Fails to Report $619 B in Federal Spending http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/05/the-oba... that's ok?

10/28/14 Obama Administration Allows Fertility Clinics To Sell US Citizenship http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/28/obama-administra...

Obama immigration http://hubpages.com/politics/ImmigrationEnforcemen... 1986 law needs be enforced or amended Obama AG violate the law

These are violations of our Constitution and the law '' we are a nation of the rule of law ''

this what our elected officials take an oath to defend!

check this link 8/15/14 George Soros Invests Big In Fracking Company Despite Funding Green Groups http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/15/george-soros-inv... friends of Obama? … SHARED AGENDAS BARACK OBAMA http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory...

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Excuse me! I don't complain about paying taxes...YOU do! I was pointing out the hypocricy of hating gvt, yet allowing it to supplement you.

You keep putting up all these links of supposed violations....as if it mattered!

Once again: we did nothing about the Bush regime and all it's law and constitution breaking. You are day late and dollar short.

You do not get to decide which party is allowed to break the law.

Your party let Bush slide in 06, and my party did in 2012....

Die is cast.

Unless you are willing to bring Bushco up on charges: You have no right to do it to Obama.

PERIOD. Your party is not superior!

WHY do I have to keep reminding you......(question mark!)


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

lmc

I am an independent formally a democrat who woke up to reality and truthful thinking.

I posted a link to Junko, the link didn't show up. Check this link http://www.storyleak.com/obama-birth-certificate-c...

The fraud of the century may be sitting in Washington.

to be continued.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Experience is the best teacher...as dumb, stupid, tin-f0il people like me are RIGHT AGAIN:

"once Republicans took over statehouses and state legislatures in 2010, they embarked upon a program of cutting taxes for the wealthiest and education for everyone else. This is most clear in the self-styled "experiment" undertaken by Gov. Sam Brownback (R) in Kansas.

Brownback entered office with a surplus, and immediately took it for a spin on that discredited, bar-napkin-creation known as supply side economics. The result was not surprising: it bankrupted Kansas. This precipitated not only numerous downgrades in the state's credit, but huge education cuts."

~your policies hurt America

and this:

"Most Americans don't realize that annual contributions to Social Security are capped at $117,000 of personal income. When they find this out, they overwhelmingly support a change, so that Wall Street executives, hedge fund managers and the like pay their fair share into the system."

As a percentage of their incomes: Uber Rich pay less than middle class! Middle has had to shoulder all the burden, so Richistan can hoard their wealth.

because.....

"Recent polling by our friends at Social Security Works shows that a whopping 79 percent of Iowa voters support increasing Social Security benefits..."

Yeah--and who's going to pay for it.....

everyone hates gvt, except the part that helps them!

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/22...


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

The fraud of the century is people in my gvt acting on the behalf of another country...making my kids die and taking my money for it.

Time it stops, and now.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

LMC

SS has a surplus , don't worry! http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/popups/socsec_str...

One PROBLEM discovered was SS paying to dead federal employees ,$ Millions maybe billions. Who is in charge of our govt today?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I don't know...maybe the same ones who lost billions in Iraq, and trillions the day before 9-11, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-F5NKAMdFc

funny--NO ONE ever seems to know who takes it!

Remember the grilling the Federal Reserve took after the bail-out..... NO ONE knows where that money went!!

well, they DID find some.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBOOXkNzPEg

I would say SS is a pimple on the butt of an elephant...as are poor people and single moms.

You are swiping at knats, while ignoring the radiated monster bug


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

LMC

Will the President and Congress succeed

http://hubpages.com/politics/WillCongressandPresid...

The tarp bill was administered by the Obama administration, remember Any funds not used were to go back to the Treasury to pay down the Bush deficit.

the links were interesting.

The pentagon money he was looking for was in the Clinton administration.

Somehow liberal forget the Clinton handed the Bush administration a recession in 2000-2001.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

what do you mean administered.....it was already law when BO took office. He had no choice. And how interesting.....not only was he to pay down Bush deficit, but also put Bush's wars on budget.

And how can you have a recession w a budget surplus.

As far as my life.....recession started after tax cuts during a war.Sound fiscal policy my ___And they want to do it again!

R's and D's must live in parrallel universes.....Never the twain shall meet


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

LMC

10/16/12 The Federal Budget 1992 2012 http://www.heritage.org/multimedia/infographic/201... FACTS

''how can you have a recession w a budget surplus''

Clinton had a republican majority to help him balance the budget less one forget 1994-1999. Clinton could have captured Osama prior to leaving office, Clinton passed on the chance! 9-11

I wonder if you read my links only because your responses avoid giving an logical answer.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No--I never put rw stuff in my mind....same reason I never watch horror movies. It's mind-pollution.

And yeah--I remember that STUPID budget.The heartless "welfare reform".Creating latch-key generation and poverty wages that people are supposed to be thankful for.....

Meanwhile.....who got the bennies. Big Business and the drug cartels.Kids on their own are easy prey.

W moms working long hours, and spending 2hrs each way on bus...that's a lot of time for Monsters to prey on defenseless kids.

Then, of course, his pandering to white people w that Sista Soulja stuff....

NAFTA.....Clinton was RW dream! And STILL they had to go after him....at what cost. Billions, or trillions......

But when it came to Bush:"Laws, what laws......Constitution, what constitution"

"He can do what he wants. He's the pres and he's keeping us safe"...OK--you got it. Just don't complain when the next pres comes along. OOOOOOOPS

I don't listen to a WORD they have to say


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nicomp 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

"W moms working long hours, and spending 2hrs each way on bus...that's a lot of time for Monsters to prey on defenseless kids."

Sadly, Liberals think government can solve these problems. Very sad.


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JON EWALL 2 years ago from usa

LMC

I got it ,finally. Now I know what they mean when they say, '' an empty can makes a lot of noise''.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Must be why Fox is #1.

Think what you want........it will never change the truth of what has happened to this place.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Hey comp...gvt is there to make sure Monsters can't do this to kids. Unfortunately, monsters get in gvt by posing as real people. Or is it possible you have missed the peadophile cover-up in UK......I know you missed it here, cause it involved St Bush and the Godly Republicans. Here--this is what greed and monsters will do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHrbJPhus4


Paul 24 months ago

That was very interesting considering the Republicans will control the house and senate after the holidays.


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lovemychris 24 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh you betcha

Keystone pollution line

Gutting banking regulations

Gutting womens health

More wars

More wars

did I say more wars

No living wage......and they are trying to make it forty hour work-week before you can get benefits.....it's thirty-two hrs at my job here.....and still they lay people off for the winter, because there is no work!

let's see....."freedom" party--butting in business,butting in personal life, more pollution--gutting regs to stop it.

Profit pollution....gutting regs to stop it, too.

Gilded age for robber baron boys......anything goes *wink**wink*

and the rest of us can eat cake.--the ones they make. On the cheap--so they profit on that too!

"Crown thy good with Brotherhood"....who knew they meant the Illuminati!


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junko 24 months ago Author

Lovemychris I get email notice of comments on a few of your hubs, but my search always ends with an Unpublished Notice. Are you aware of that problem?


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lovemychris 23 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yeah...they are unfeatured, so I unpublished. Already destroyed the personal ones.....which was big mistake.

There is LOT of info in the comments section!!!since i'm banned,and talk to myself.....garnered up a lot of stuff.....may come in handy someday ;-)


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junko 23 months ago Author

You got to get it in where you can fit it in Lovemychris, it will be written in stone in Space.


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junko 23 months ago Author

Thank you Paul now they must lead, but they don't know how.


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lovemychris 23 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yes......God travels the circuits of Heaven, and he reads everybody!

personally-I'm glad to have the injustices revealed.......makes the end so much sweeter

SOMETHING is going on,junko.....I don't think the neo-cons get their way this time.


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junko 23 months ago Author

Yes Lovemychris something is going on. Many of America's evil spirits are being exposed and revealed. Racism and Greed two of the most destructive spirits in America is at this time in space is being exposed and that is good. Even the the most confused are beginning to see it's not about race or color but, it's about Capitalism. Capitalist are not Racist they don't discriminate among the human race they exploit The Great Unwashed regardless of their color. Greed begot Greed. The people see the pain and suffering is not just a burden for them people but, us also. One cannot have true faith and fear. The Creator has a Master Plan. Love Peace and Happiness to you and yours during the Holiday Season.


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lovemychris 23 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh,you too junko. Merry Christmas!


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junko 5 months ago Author

In order to avoid gridlock for the next 8 years Hillary will need a democratic house and or democratic senate. The down ballot votes are as important as the vote for the Presidency.


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nicomp 5 months ago from Ohio, USA

Gridlock is our best hope.


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junko 5 months ago Author

nicomp "Gridlock is our best hope" that a strange comment for an American citizen to make. Who is "Our", y'all seem to have a different view than most Americans.


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lovemychris 5 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

This is why it's great that Elizabeth Warren is with her. Everyone who says they like her must have respect for her opinion, right? She says Hillary has a good heart.

Either Warren is right now or she was wrong then.

Democrats are the answer!


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junko 5 months ago Author

LMC, Who said what to who about what, and was what was said a true lie or what ? Forgive my ignorance, I saw them dressed in light blue but I didn't stop to listen


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nicomp 5 months ago from Ohio, USA

"nicomp "Gridlock is our best hope" that a strange comment for an American citizen to make. Who is "Our", y'all seem to have a different view than most Americans."

Gridlock is indeed our best hope to preserve what liberty we have remaining. The purpose of government is to perpetuate itself, ergo gridlock slows the process of reducing our freedoms. As Congress bickers and BHO pontificates nothing gets done to us.

Well, except for Executive Orders.


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junko 3 months ago Author

Down ballot vote for the House and Senate is vital in our choice for President in November. The House and Senate is engaged in Governmentlessness and The President can't make laws or pass bills all he or she can do is sign or veto what law makers sent to his or her desk. The Governmentlessness on Capitol Hill is unprecedented and never happened like this before the First Black President was elected President of The United States. If Hillary is elected The First Woman President but the House and Senate is left in Republican control Governmentlessness will continue for at lease another 4 years.


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lovemychris 3 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

yes. the alt right has got to go. finally, a name for it! all these hating people...the tp, the kkk, the various right wingers...the alt right. its got to go


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JON EWALL 2 months ago from usa

Junko

Civic 101 Note the Dems have had 2/3s control of our gov 2007-2016 2007 2008 D’s control 2/3s gov 2009 2010 100% control 2011 2014 D’s 2/3s 2015 2016 D’s 2/3s with D Senate filibuster BO D’s RULE

NO laws can be passed unless House Senate approve and POTUS signs

into law

POTUS enforces laws , the president cannot change or alter law WITHOUT APPROVAL OF CONGRESS . Executive orders cannot change laws, something this President has no fear of impeachment simply because Democrats in CONGRESS. blantantly refuse to follow the law and Constitution

11/11/15 Bordering on Lawlessness http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/11/ed... Obama

3/8/16 Democrats Defend an Indefensible Abuse of Executive Power http://www.freedomworks.org/content/democrats-defe...

4/1/16 In Defense of ‘’We the People’’ http://www.gop.gov/in-defense-of-we-the-people/ expose the President and D’s for violations of oath of office

5/30/16 Recalling Justice Scalia’s timeless warning against an unrestrained federal government http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/recalling-justic... /article/2592517?custom_click=rss AMEN


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

oh, so thats how bush got away w it! like i said, hubpages has become a haven for far right shenanigans!

shame on all of you for wishing hillary dead.it shall come back on you tenfold. and that includes your maniac dumpy.


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junko 2 months ago Author

Thank God you are still carrying that torch, Suit. Now let me disagree with your facts about pass control of the house and senate by the Dems vs. Rep The reality of control for the sake of my argument trumps the facts The Reality regardless of majority control of the house and senate by either party is that George W. and Dick Cheney along with Russell and Rice controlled Capitol Hill from 2001 - 2008. The Dems had control for less than 2 years between 2008 -2010. After 2010 the only power the president had was Executive Power. Between 2001 2008 there was no Governmentlessness on Capitol Hill the 2 parties cooperated with The Deciders,under the fear of being called Un-American. What happened on Capitol Hill to The Obama Presidency is Unprecedented. That is fact and reality, Brother Jon.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

colin powell and condi rice say clinton e mails a "stupud witch hunt".

chaffetts called 3 emergency hearings on it in 4days...hes the one that used false documents in planned parenthood hearings.

does he work for Groundswell?? they have 30 point plan to destroy progressives.

benghazi was one. obviously, e mails another. they are using tax dollars for personal vendettas and personal gain!!!

theft and dereliction of gd duty. THEY need to be investigated! who is paying them???


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junko 2 months ago Author

LMC a lie is nothing for them to tell on Hillary . The Deplorables don't care that the Trump campaign is based on lies all they care about is circling the wagons against everybody but Anglo Saxon Protestant men. They have that graveyard love for the old ways of America, they would rather destroy America before they would share America. They want more law and order that will give them the country back(Civil War) as it was when the population was 35,000,000 rather than the over 300,000,000 it is today. This minority of deplorables will destroy everything for the majority, it just don't make sense what they do and say. They got fork tongues.


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nicomp 2 months ago from Ohio, USA

"The Deplorables don't care that the Trump campaign is based on lies all they care about is circling the wagons against everybody but Anglo Saxon Protestant men"

Yep, you caught us. We'll have to double the guards at our super-secret meetings.

" They want more law and order that will give them the country back(Civil War) as it was when the population was 35,000,000 rather than the over 300,000,000 it is today. "

NO WAY! Who will do our yardwork?

"This minority of deplorables will destroy everything for the majority,"

Wait, what? If I'm a minority, where are my entitlements? Where's my Center for Anglo Saxon Protestant Men Studies? There's my National Organization for Anglo Saxon Protestant Men? Where do I sign up for the NAAWASPM ??


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

hullo! you do have secret meetings.! and there are secret clubs! and you dont need to fight for equal treatment, its a given that youre already superior.

i wish i could copy down this monologue from the show sopranos. when tony was talking about italian immigrants coming to america, and the wiseguys just wanting what the duponts and the harrimans already had....organized crime learned everything they know from the bluebloods.

bank fees are extortion.

they killed kennedy king and kennedy....kkk in police departments, christian right in schoolboards, running gvts....

you got it on lockdown!!!.....until the 60s. until obama. until hillary.

sorry episcopalians, you lose.

my body

our country

equal rights


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nicomp 2 months ago from Ohio, USA

"bank fees are extortion."

Dang tootin' !! Banks should run on rainbows and hugs. They don't need money for guards, computers, A/C, or tellers.


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lovemychris 2 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

uhm, they could take it from those who can afford it, cant they? i mean, what is the sense of taking 30 from a person who has 0? meanwhile, a person who has 3million never has to worry about it, gets all services for free! they collect billions from fees, and they even charge to redeem foodstamps!

charge rich people instead, they wont even notice.

its like hollywood: all these rich stars get freebies all the time. makes no sense.

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