Compromising With Insugents?

A Lethal Loophole?

I never thought I would see the day when groups would be grading Senators on their vote to open and limit debate. That is what happened when the U.S. Senate voted to debate and limit the debate on the first major firearms safety legislation since 1994.

It says a lot to me about the tone of American politics that there would be this much focus on even opening a debate that is probably long overdue. It would be easy, as many of the insurrectionists and insurgents that make up so much of the gun lobby, say that this is all an emotional response to Newtown. I think that Newtown was merely the tipping point of a debate that began with the Tuscon shooting, continued with Trayvon Martin, the Aurora theater, the Sikh temple in Wisconsin and Kansas City.

But the Toomey Amendment may have a potentially lethal flaw. While the amendment does expand background checks, it excludes private sales or transfers. This could create a large potential "gray market" and actually make the "Straw Purchases", where a person buys multiple weapons, that may be responsible for so many of the guns on the streets, easier.

It isn't as though doing the checks would be difficult on the surface. A person calls an 800 number and a quick background check is executed.

I fear that this is a view of things to come as the legislation moves along. The political allies of the NRA in both the Senate and the House will further try and weaken the bill to make sure that the manufacturers that they act as a lobby for can continue to profit. I only hope that those in Congress committed to a sane policy on firearms, and the public, can stand their ground.

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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

I can't wait until the new law is passed. I am going to be on the phone constantly calling the 800 number and finding out the criminal background on every Dem politician, news reporter and neighbor that I don't like.

The law of unintended consequences is going to strike hard on this one.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

I think they'll come up cleaner than the insurrectionists you associate with Jack. . .


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Errr.... the "insurrectionists" in your fantasy world have all passed the NICS check to buy firearms, proving they are law-abiding, upstanding citizens. You forgot about that, eh.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Not if they purchase the weapons through private sales, what the point of this piece is.

Now we'll just wait for LMC, etc to show up. . .


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

And just how many gun owners do you think purchase their firearms exclusively through "private sales"? Oh... you don't know, do you. You just pulled that out of thin air, from fantasy land, so to speak.

Actually, you have given every evidence of not knowing anything about firearms, firearm owners, firearm laws, and firearm purchases. But you're compelled to continually comment on a subject that you have no knowledge of. Even the most newbie firearm owners spots your posts as those from someone who is clueless.

Ever wonder why the only people you ever get to agree with your firearm posts are those such as lmc who are just as ignorant about the subject as you?


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Alberic O 3 years ago from Any Clime, Any Place

Here are the laws regarding firearms at the federal level made idiot proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United...

Now, regarding private sales, they can only occur within the state. This means you cannot ship a firearm you try to sell on some website to a person of another state.

The concept of private sales is not as regulated as people/businesses with FFL who sell firearms and must conduct background checks. However, the same rules apply: you can't sell to a minor, felon, etc. Federal law already prohibits them from owning and possessing firearms.

Private sales generally do not make sense. Particularly because most people buy from gun shops who have FFLs. Now under federal law (assuming their state doesn't have additional regulations), they can legally sell to a person residing in the same state.

However, that in itself presents a liability to the original owner. The paperwork and the weapons serial number will be traced to him if the weapon was used in a crime. This is why it is not too common for people to do this.

This is why I personally buy and sell through an FFL dealer. You can transfer the ownership of the firearms better than just dealing between private parties. And it saves me from liability knowing that the paperwork and the person I sell to goes through a background check.

If the FFL is required to conduct background checks on all buyers, just write the law stating all private sales must go through FFL dealers? You don't have to do the background check and you can have the weapon sit at their shop until it is bought.


Mike 3 years ago

@teapartycrasher

You're just an emotional idiot.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Jack:

Seems that LMC has a clue about the REAL goal of the NRA.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Isn't it amazing, folks, that people like tpc and lmc, who never belonged to the NRA, who are dreadfully afraid of the NRA, who believe that NRA causes good people to go bad, who don't even know an NRA member, are somehow the people to whom we should take advice from about what the "real goal" of the NRA is.

While we simple-minded, misguided, befuddled people with decades of experience with the NRA in all circumstances really apparently have no concept about how to understand an organization that we support, and without the anointed ones' guidance we will merrily continue to shoot ourselves in our feet, kill our children, and generally screw up society?

Like they say: When you're sick you go to a car mechanic; when you're in court you need a butcher; and when you want to know something about the NRA, you go to tpc and lmc.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Sometimes, someone on the outside has the best perspective, Jack.

You woldn't be likely to see the NRA as a manufacturer's lobby, as "The Nation" magazine or groups like Coalition to Stop Gun Violence have pointed out.

As I said, get your eyes out of that sight and look around. . .


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Just the other day I asked my heart surgeon if I could have a second opinion from my car mechanic concerning my myocardial infarction. He said, "Sure, sometimes, someone on the outside has the best perspective." He even thought that getting a third opinion from my newspaper carrier was a good idea.

Yes, I've often found that totally ignorant people have very good perspectives on the things they are totally ignorant about.... including the Nation and certainly the CSGV.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

BTW... if the Dear Readers want to know where tpc gets his "information" about "insurgents and insurrectionists" one does not have to look too far. It's obvious that outright, willful lying is at the root of everything he thinks he knows.

http://theothermccain.com/2013/04/14/msnbc-the-net...


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Jack:

No worse that FOX, as Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting has pointed out!

http://www.fair.org

Also, I stand by my story that outsiders often have better perspectives.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Yeah, that FAIR is an unbiased, objective observer of the news and reporting... and the Easter Bunny really does exist, eh.

And you really can't dispute my contention that FAIR is a bunch of lying, partisan hacks who would not know fairness, accuracy or reporting if it was handed to them on a platter. After all, I am an "outsider" and I have a better perspective than you about the organization.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

You may, or that siight may be limiting your view.. . .


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

Got yourself boxed into that corner you so much like to be in, eh.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

Nah, just saying that I can imagine a LOT of the media outlets you rely on are the ones that FAIR focuses on.


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Jack Burton 3 years ago from The Midwest

you mean the FAIR that is a bunch of lying, partisan hacks who would not know fairness, accuracy or reporting if it was handed to them on a platter?

That FAIR? And ~these~ are the people you use to educate yourself?

We can begin to see your problem here and why virtually everything you post you manage to get your hand spanked over it for lack of facts, reason and rationality.


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TeaPartyCrasher 3 years ago from Camp Hill, PA Author

And why everything you post gets called out for being insurrectionist propaganda by LMC, etc.

I'm sure you've noticed that most of my posts on the insurrectionists have supporting links in the sidebars.

As I've said, if you'd stop looking at the world through a sight, you might see what your missing. . .

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