Death by guns vs death by cars

Why not?
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Cars vs guns

Why regulate one more harshly than the other?

There is such a divide between those who believe that we all have the right to purchase and possess firearms and those who believe that no-one needs firearms except the military and police, they believe that firearms are weapons and no civilian should own them.

In Canada there is a devout anti gun person who believes that firearms are weapons, tools of death and that civilians should not own such killing machines, he is the same person who killed someone with his car. So this made me think about all the things that kill more often than firearms in civilian hands. Murders with guns is very rare in Canada, especially when you compare this with other things that are used for killing.

In Canada, firearms are categorized into three main categories; non-restricted; restricted and prohibited. Now on top of this, they are judged, by barrel length, the firing mechanism and the way they look.

Let us put this into perspective now. A car has its furniture like a firearm (exterior, the way it looks), it has a motor and transmission (a gun has firing mechanism), a car has a specific type of fuel and grade of fuel (Firearm has ammo and specific calibre), a vehicle is a specific size like guns are of various sizes.

So why are guns categorized into various categories and why do we need different license for different firearms and why are some illegal based on how they look?
Vehicles look different, a Dodge Viper has a big engine with a lot of horse power and looks like a race car, why is this vehicle not restricted or even prohibited from being owned by person with a regular drivers license. It is vastly different from a Prius. Different look, different engine and horsepower. Yet both vehicles can kill. Vehicles on the road kill far more often than firearms in law abiding gun owners hands.

Some people have said that no person needs a gun that is greater than a 22calibre. I say of course we do, but in reality no person needs a car that can go faster than 110 km/h since that is the highest speed limit in Canada, as I remember. So why do we have cars that can easily exceed 200km/h?

We have had firearms legally bought in Canada, and now all of a sudden they are made prohibited, meaning we can no longer own them.
Yet, cars that have killed people are still being legally bought and sold on a daily basis. Also, why can a person who is caught drinking and driving allowed to own the vehicle he was caught breaking the law in. Even if he killed someone with that car, he still owns it.

What about knives, knives kill people. But knives are still sold in most stores. A person who murdered someone, when they get out of prison is not banned from owning knives. One knife looks similar to the next. Yet all knives are legally sold everywhere. However, a gun that “looks” like a military assault rifle, even if it is not that gun is still being banned.
Do Canadian firearm laws make any sense? Of-course they don’t. We have things that kill on a daily basis and are never banned, yet firearms that have never killed anyone are being banned. AND the worst part of it is that one person with the RCMP is changing laws to fulfill his illogical gun ban. Not to mention that this person or any police officer for that matter has no right to change laws, they are hired to enforce laws only. They seem to also forget that they work for us and so are to listen to and obey those they work for. If they can’t or simply refuse to obey, uphold and enforce the law then they need to step down or better yet—get fired!

The time is long past due for Canada to go back to logical firearm laws. We need to get rid of the categorizing of firearms, get rid of the different licenses, and go back to the time when all we needed to do was go and get a firearms permit. No more permit to transfer firearms, no more restrictions. The old ways worked fine for everyone, this newer way is merely a money grab and now a gun grab—Illogical and incompetently run.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Maybe you should.

Where did anyone mention "gun nuts"?

YOU did.....wonder why?

And "perhaps you should leave" a recommendation.

As I said: This is not my 1st time around the mulberry bush. I've been dealing w your club since I had the audacity to question King George the II.

See how much has changed? It's now patriotic to insult the prez.

And telling people to leave YOUR country is now the mark of one who reps America!

Sad, really. How far away we've come from the ideals we were founded on.

"Liberty and Justice for all" long as we agree with you.

retief2000 2 years ago

Maybe a little more reading will help you out. I was merely suggesting that you would be far more comfortable some where not founded by gun nuts.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

How did I know that was coming? You just can't stand anyone who doesn't think like you, can you?

Been hearing that same shtick for 13 years now.....

Guess this is YOUR country, eh? Nice to know that the words "all men are created equal" means nothing to you. Obviously, I am beneath you.

Well--you are the antithesis of America to me....anyone who tells other Americans they are not welcome in their country of birth is.

Read the Declaration of Independence, why don't you?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident....." Nothing in there about guns.

retief2000 2 years ago

Perhaps you should leave America, after all it was founded by gun nuts for gun nuts.

retief2000 2 years ago

You could leave America, after all it was founded by gun owners for gun owners.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

From your pov, ok. Not from mine. I really can't stand the whole idea. But my voice has no place in your "freedoms". I'm trapped in your world.

retief2000 2 years ago

Owning a firearm is taking safety seriously.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Well, this does not seem to be the case here in America. Anyone seems to be able to get a gun--and gun lobby fights all attempt at background checks, regulations, anything that prevents making money by making and selling guns.

And there is no check-up on safety every year, no gun insurance in case of accident, no ability to stop whackos from buying guns and using them.

And to be fair, the senior lobby here tries just as hard to prevent any restrictions on the ability to drive cars, too.

I was once standing in line, and watched an elderly man fail an eye test....he was issued a license anyway.

Until we take safety seriously-- not money and powerful lobbies: we are ALL living in the danger zone.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

well I did compare and asked why. like I have said, guns are regulated very strictly here already, there is no need to go further or ban guns. cars kill far more often--both accidentaly and on purpose than guns do. I agree every person who wants to buy a firearms should know how to use it, maintain it and store it safely. we have to take a course, have background check done and wait more than thirty days before the license is even issued and we can not purchase a firearm untill we have the license in our possesion. this is a lot more strict than the process to purchase a car.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Kids die every day here by gunfire. I may be safe...but until they are: none of us is.

And, I never demanded you give up your firearms, I asked that they be regulated, taxed, inspected and insured--just like my car.....Since YOU made a comparison between the two.

And ps, anywhere there are Right Wingers in charge, there is dictatorship. Too late.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

WOW, you certainly do not understand "Rights and Freedoms". BTW what have my firearms ever done to anyone, for you to think that you are not safe from them? Oh...nothing. That's right. By you demanding people give up their right to own firearms, you are treading on my rights. Plain and simple. You need to educate yourself regarding rights and freedoms. Learn about those. It is important for every citizen of every nation to do so. Unless you prefer a dictatorship over freedom.

I have it backwards? LOL I think not. I believe that ones rights and freedoms are of utmost importance and I value those things greatly. I do not want to live in a dictatorship.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No one is treading on your are treading on ours! We have the right to know we are safe from your weapons, just as we demand that cars are safe. What about those of us who want to be free from some idiot w a gun? Ehhhh, too bad. You demand the right to have guns--we are defenseless against it.

You have it all backwards.

Until you are tested, taxed, and insured on a continual basis--as car owners are: What are you complaining about???

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

So it seems to me that the anti gun people believe in freedom, only if it fits in their tiny little bubble. Freedom for them to tread on everyones else's rights and freedoms. It is illogical. The so called facts that the anti gun people continually bring forth is nothing but made up statistics in an attempt to bring people to their side through fear. The fact remais, cars kill more often than guns. Yes, many people need cars, but there are people who do not need a car but have one because they want it. I want my guns because it is my hobby and for protection if ever I needed it. I refuse to become a victim of a crime by some idiot who wants to do me harm. The anti gun people continually show me that they have no problem becoming a victim or a statistic of crime, and that is their choice...not mine.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is only your opinion, Not a revelation from on high.

We are both citizens of America, which means we are EQUAL.

I know that doesn't register w some, but it's the truth.

The only people who don't need cars are those who live in cities, and those who don't have to commute.

That's maybe 20% of the population? I don't know.....but everyone around here would be jobless without a car.

Then what?

You all would complain because we needed "help" from the gubmint!

A car is a necessity.

A phone is a necessity.

Healthcare s a necessity.

Food is a necessity.

Heat is a necessity.

Somewhere to lay your head (besides a sidewalk) is a necessity.

But somehow, all some people ever care about is their right to own a gun.

Well--you have it. All I want is some responsibility to the rest of us here, who have to read about kids blown to bits "by accident". Or those gun owners-- in a murderous rage --who kill first, stand their ground later.

WE have the right to be safe from YOUR choices.

So get used to it: You are not better. Your rights do not supercede mine.

Your "right" to kill is a tyranny on my peace of mind!

Keep those guns away from me and my family. TYVM

retief2000 2 years ago


My happiness is living in a world without guns: You intrude on that.

My life depends on the means to work: Hence, a car.

My liberty is depending on myself for mobility...otherwise I could never afford to live.

Somehow, you think guns override everything else that the Constitution guarentees."

Nothing you have noted here is mentioned in the Constitution, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is. Merely because you feel that you are slighted everyone else must bow to your wishes, now wonder I find lefties to be petulant and childish.

Where we work is voluntary, how we get there is voluntary, whether my owning a firearm disturbs someone is voluntary. Firearms are an asset to a free society, as are automobiles. The difference is one is a right and the other is not, it is a simple notion.

guest 2 years ago

well, we have our freedom to own guns and others have their freedom not to own guns. but dont anyone tread on my freedom and rob me of my right to own guns. that would be a dictatorship.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA won't happen, and I have to live with it. So much for my freedom to live how I would like, huh?

I guess I have to make compromise to suit the gun owners, don't I?

But the LEAST they can do is be highly regulated, taxed and insured, like my car is.

For, guns are a danger to society just as cars are.

And I consider it irresponsible to feel any other way.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

A world without firearms, well that will never happen. So I will keep my firearms so that I can protect myself against any criminal that will try to do me or my family harm.

Some people can live with false security and disarm themselves or never arm themselves, but to me that is not only foolish but irresponsible.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA


My happiness is living in a world without guns: You intrude on that.

My life depends on the means to work: Hence, a car.

My liberty is depending on myself for mobility...otherwise I could never afford to live.

Somehow, you think guns override everything else that the Constitution guarentees.

And while you may worship an instrument built for killing: I don't.

And the fact that I must pay MORE than you to secure my rights, is galling to me.

retief2000 2 years ago

Owning arms is my right, owning an automobile is not. I do not pay to own my rights. Are you racing to the hospital? Yet convenient transportation to the hospital is something you want, despite no immediate need for the hospital. How interesting that you can foresee some future illness requiring a car to get to the hospital but fail to foresee any future where a criminal kicks in your front door.

I hope no one does kick in your front door at 3am because your automobile will be of little use and it will be too late to acquire a firearm.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA


I choose to stay alive, hence a car.

You seem to think you choose a gun for same reason.

You can pay just like I do.

OR--I can get by with owing nothing, like you.

retief2000 2 years ago

Where we live is voluntary. How we travel is voluntary. Our lives are full of voluntary conditions that we chose to interpret as needs. There a precious few needs. Most everything is a choice between alternatives.

But I am certain i just wasted every minute of responding to you.

You chose to buy insurance because the alternative is less convenient. When the man who just kicked in your front door at 3am has his hands around your throat you might find that less convenient than owning a firearm.

No one has to have either firearm or automobile, once chooses these things because they are preferable to other available alternatives.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Really? You don't live where I do. It would cost me $30 for a cab one way to my think I don't need a car?

$30 to nearest grocery store....buses run 4 times a day, and I'd need to take a cab to get to bus stop!

I NEED a car. I HAVE to buy one ever cares about that.

and fyi..I am not talking about criminals...I am talking about law-abiding-working-tax-paying ME.

I have to have car--you don't have to have gun.

I pay out the yingy---you cry at ANY regulation.

Boo freaking hoo.

Want an instrument of death?...Take the medicine that goes with it!

Insufferable superiority drives me nuts.

retief2000 2 years ago

Purchasing a fire arm "underground" is already a crime. Criminals NEVER care about the law or regulation of any sort - something lefties regularly ignore, discount, forget or conveniently use to manipulate opinion.

A "well-armed militia" in the real world would require much, much more than small arms. EVERY vest can be penetrated by ordinary rifle rounds of regular availability and manufacture - it would be good to have a conversation with a knowledgeable person if you want to know the facts, though that is doubtful.

No one NEEDS to own a car, though cars are a convenience - sometimes of greater value than at other times. One wants a car for its convenience because buses and ambulances are less convenient.

As for needing a gun, yet again not a NEED but a want, lets hope you never do "need" a gun. When someone kicks in your door at 3am and starts beating you to death with a hammer, a gun suddenly feels like a need - especially since the police will arrive just in time to tape off the scene and call the forensic unit.

By the way, automobiles can be purchased, or more conveniently stolen, and operated without any testing, licensing, regulation, etc.... Criminals commit crimes and no law stops them, hence the name.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

I seriously do not know where you get your information from. But it seems that you live in a vastly different world than me.

We could go back and forth on here, you obviously have very different views about the inanimate object that are firearms.

Guns are tools, in law abiding hands they are tools used to hunt, self defence, target shooting. Yes, we must continue to have the freedom to own them. If every law abiding citizen were to be disarmed, then the criminals will have easy targets. Not a world I want to live in.

I like having the means to protect myself from psychopaths criminals is I ever need to.

Cars don't kill people, the person driving them does, just as guns do not kill people, a criminal who uses them does. I am not a criminal, therefore I must be allowed to own them. It is my right. Just as you have the right to own a car.

The anti gun propaganda that is spewed out there is illogical, I wish those people would actually learn about the laws and the guns before speaking, as their stance only makes them look foolish.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Well, with that logic, the whole world needs to be armed and loaded. Just in know.

That is not a world I want.....but it's forced on me....freedom and all that. Snark

Tell me....if guns are so regulated, how come you can buy one underground, and no one needs to know?

And how does "a well-armed militia" translate into ak47's and vest-penetrating bullets?

And here's some logic for you....I NEED a car, I don't need a gun. Why am I charged and regulated more than you? Guns don't get me to work, get me to grocery store, get me to hospital....etc.

Let's make it equally regulated, insured and tested.

Since both can be deadly weapons.

"Cars don't kill--people driving them do."

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

Self defines or standing in defence of another should always be a basic human right. I know that the majority of the people do not want to become a victim or a statistic of crime. Common sense tells us that the police get to the scene of a crime after the crime has been committed, not before. Why do people have such a problem with defending themselves? It does not make any sense.

retief2000 2 years ago

My hope is that if I ever need to employ my firearm to defend myself, my family or an innocent that it is indeed as dangerous as possible.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

Ericdierker those are good points. Thanks.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

retief2000 No responsible firearm owner ever says guns are not dangerous, that is very true. The ones who do treat them as "Toys" are those idiots in music videos and movies. Also, I've had friends killed by cars (drunk drivers, reckless driving etc). Cars are treated with less respect than guns. Thanks for commenting.

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Ericdierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I would bet there are at least 200,000 people driving cars in the US that do not have driver's licenses. I would bet there are another 1 million that do not have insurance. And most people over fifty have not taken drivers ed in over 30 years === what another 30 million and for sure those over 65 probably never did, another 70 million.

retief2000 2 years ago

How guns and cars are different - for those who seem incapable of understanding this.

1) There is no Constitutionally guaranteed right to operate a means of transportation

2)Cars, usually, cost more than guns

3)States control the licensing of cars

4)States also control the procedures for obtaining firearms

5)Cars treated with much more contempt than guns, DUI statistics will bare that out.

6)I have never seen a gun pick itself up and shoot someone, I have seen a car jump out of gear and hit a building

7)Guns are only treated like toys by those who wish to shoot themselves, eventually. An adult treats every gun as loaded. There are innumerable firearms safety courses, videos, pamphlets and training seminars available every where. Freedom makes you uncomfortable.

"NO ONE EVER acknowledges..." universal statements are usually wrong, especially when dealing with human beings.

Only idiots say that guns aren't deadly and only idiots blame guns for what people do.

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thomasczech 2 years ago from Canada Author

lovemychris Well I excepted you to comment. But what you are saying is inaccurate. To purchase firearms, we must take a course, have background checks done, wait for approximately 30+ days for the official license to be issued after all that.

We do not need to have our cars inspected every year, nor do we pay tax to our town for owning a car. We do however pay for the insurance and registration.

Also, no gun has ever killed on their own, it IS the person pulling the trigger. AND, no law abiding gun owner breaks the law because we do not want to go to jail, lose our firearms license and/or guns. It is costly to own firearms.

The firearms that are used in crimes are illegally obtained by criminals, from criminals and are smuggled into Canada.

It is a fact (from the police and gov) that firearms used in crimes are smuggled in and that legally purchased firearms by law abiding owners are not used in crimes.

Also, it is a fact that cars and knives are used a LOT more in deaths than firearms, so this whole debate and anti gun propaganda is nonsense.

It is also not easier to get a gun than a car. I don't know where you live, but here in Canada it certainly is not. Guns are a lot harder to get.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Guess what? To have a car, 1st--you need drivers ed classes, a written test, an eye test and a driving test.

You must pay insurance, which can be a humungous bill, and you must have your car inspected every year.--$45.00 is it now?

You also pay a tax to your town for having it.

Everyone acknowledges the dangerousness of cars: hence safety belts and speed limits.

Guns, however, are treated like toys.

No one ever acknowledges they are deadly weapons, just keep saying "guns don't kill, people do". Really?

Well, it's a lot easier to get a gun than a car, and no one would be so foolish as to say cars aren't deadly--like they do w guns.

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Ericdierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Great points here. I always like the phrase: Cars do not kill people, people do. I just envision, two screaming kids in the back, cell phone to ear and speeding as she takes her children to school in a 4 thousand pound cannon ball.

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