Did Michael Brown Cause His Own Death in Ferguson, Missouri?

I think there are many out there that have this fear about the Michael Brown murder in Ferguson, MO., that, the riots and mayhem it caused in that little town might be proven incorrect and premature. Of course, at the time, nearly all of us, automatically felt the police officer, Darren Wilson, was guilty of killing an unarmed black teen about ready to go to college. Most of us thought Michael Brown was unarmed and he had done nothing that would warrant the stop and an officer pulling out his gun and killing him. Of course, in a town where most residents are black and the police officer and force is white, the echoes and screams of racism went around the world. Then, many angry and discontented people living with piss-poor lives began to use the death as a reason to riot and destroy property and harass those who supported the officer's version. Skin color had superseded emotion and common sense and justice. For many, it still does. For them, justice is about skin color and if they had their way, they would lynch the white man.

Then, Darren Wilson, had testified in a close, confidential hearing. While it is suspicious, it happens all the time around the country. A public hearing would simply become a loud, obnoxious, calamity because of pent up anger. But from the start, Darren Wilson has stayed with his story about the initial confrontation between MB and himself that none of the witnesses did observe in a clear manner. The officer stated that he was pinned in his SUV and in fear of his life while MB and himself struggled for control of the officer's gun. This all came about because Wilson had stopped his car and attempted to get out when MB pushed Wilson back into the car. During this scuffle, MB reached for the officer's gun. During the struggle for the weapon, the gun went off twice. Police forensics show that the first bullet struck MB in the arm, the second shot, missed. MB's blood was found on the gun and on the interior door panel of the Chevy Tahoe SUV. MB's blood was also on Wilson's uniform. During the struggle, MB had punched Wilson several times in the face causing the officer's face to swell.

This confrontation set the stage of emotion and fear in Wilson's mind. Less than a minute before, Wilson drove up along MB and friend just to tell them to get off the street where they were walking and get on the sidewalk. After all, they were walking in the middle of the street. MB may have usually been a big teddy bear around family and friends, but MB had already stole cheap things from a store down the road and used his large size to intimidate the shop owner. Of course, Wilson did not know this when he pulled up. So, imagine when Wilson pulled up with a simple request and suddenly found himself being threatened and assaulted when MB attacked him through the open window.

Witnesses state MB seemed to be fleeing after the confrontation. So, Wilson, after the close call that threatened his life, pulled out the gun and ordered him stop. Wilson's warning was all too brief, granted, but MB continued ignoring Wilson and that is when the first aimed shot hit MB. This does not account for why Wilson fired more rounds that ultimately killed MB. The only explanation is Wilson's own paranoia and fear for his life.

MB had reason to fear the police and that was his state of mind. If you steal from a store and flee, one tends to be paranoid of police. MB, no doubt thought Wilson had received information about this and overreacted when Wilson pulled up. Of course, if you are a criminal, the worse thing to do is to bring attention to yourself. Yet, MB did this by walking in the middle of the road. Kinda stupid. The cigars he stole certainly were not worth his life. So, this whole thing began with MB's attitude and actions. Had he not stole cigars, he would not be paranoid. Had he simply walked along the side of the road or on the sidewalk, Wilson would have driven by. Had MB simply complied with Wilson's request, MB would be in college. Instead, MB's choices caused his own death.

The federal government has investigated the shooting for violation of civil rights and concluded nothing was violated. The racism card played by the black community is invalid. Bullshit. There is a good chance that Wilson will not be charged with a crime, he may lose his job, though. If that happens, is Ferguson going to react violently again? To what end? Just let it go.

It is clear that the mental state of both actors in this tragic event are key to how each reacted.

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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Let me ask you....how come a woman who fired a warning shot at an abusive husband got 20 yrs...illl bet she never got to go in front of a grand jury.

Because this guy tells his story, but the other involved can't. Just like Trayvon Martin.

So we are supposed to believe he was so afraid of a person running away from him that he just had to kill him.

Sorry.....I call BS on that cop!


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Superkev 2 years ago

Yet the witness to the GJ said that he was coming towards Ofc. Wilson. Can you explain how every wound you have is in your front if you are running away? Must be those special magic bullets.

The problem all the knuckleheads who have supported this thug are having now is that ALL of the evidence supports Ofc. Wilson's testimony, forensic and witness accounts. So they just make up some new scenario, no matter how implausible, and start spouting that as if it were the new gospel.

But to answer the question, he is dead because of his own actions and thuggery, Michael Brown got Michael Brown killed, no one else.

And just wait until his toxicology comes out, from what I am hearing he was also high as a lab rat.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No they don't. 5 people said he shot him as his hands were up. One called it outright murder.

This thug cop worked for a dept that was shut down due to corruption. Black men in Ferguson no different than black men everywhere in America.....guilty, no need to ask, no need to hesitate.

white men get away with murder on a continual basis. And if this was a black cop and the kid was white, hed be in a jail cell awaiting trial.

imo


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Superkev 2 years ago

There is not one thing you posted that is even close to correct. Well done.

Funny, the black Salt Lake City cop who killed an unarmed white kid is not in jail. Honestly of all the people who I see post on HP, no one is as consistently wrong about everything they comment on as you are.

And not ONE of those 5 people has given testimony to the GJ, because they were told if they lied to the GJ they would be prosecuted, not one of them then wanted to state under oath what they claimed to the media, funny that. Because they knew that were lying to get on camera and they would be shown to have not seen a bloody thing.

So, why isn't the SLC cop in jail? He is black, the unarmed kid was white. Can you explain why he is still free and working in one of the whitest cities in the country?


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perrya 2 years ago Author

I tend to agree that MB actions, whether correct or incorrect, created the situation he found himself in. He robbed a store for cigars, fled, then, instead of obeying the law, he walked in the middle of the street prompting any police to pull up and request they get on the sidewalk. All he had to do was get off the street but he had attitude and fear the police was going to bust him made him belligerent that led to his death. Emotion gets people into trouble all the time.


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Superkev 2 years ago

Well as I understand it, and this is from someone inside the SLPD, he actually just told them to get out of the traffic lanes, they of course told him to bugger off, or words to that effect, and he went down the street a ways to see if he could spot the suspects of the robbery who had left on foot from the store which was located in the beat area next to his. That's how we do things in LE.

Now about a minute later the handling officer put out the suspect description and the light bulb went off that he had just told two people who matched that description to get out of the road and he had seen that they had several boxes of the type of cigars that were stolen in their hands.

So NOW he turns around to make a second contact with them and MB had been running the streets long enough to know that Wilson initiating a second contact so quickly meant that he now had a suspicion they were who he was looking for, and of course they knew what they had just done. Thus the attack to try to avoid arrest. And I am sure get some Bona Fides with his gang.

Doesn't that make a hell of a lot more sense than a police office suddenly decided to commit a murder on a slow day shift?


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Can't disagree....


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No, from "what I heard", the cop was trying to pull Brown into the car, and he was resisting...maybe you didn't her about the black man they arrested, beat up and then charged for getting blood on their uniforms.--in Ferguson.

I bet Brown knew.

You see--what makes sense to me is the cop said "Get in the car--we're taking you in". Kid resisted, ran and was killed because he DARED to disobey the powerful gunslinger. The batman and robin superhero cowboy with a gun. Have gun, will use it: Obey, or DIE.

I was pulled over for a headlight...tried to get out to see what was up, and the cop told me to stay in the car for HIS safety! HIS safety......what happened to serve and protect....the public!

and What "refused to testify"......it was recorded on their phones!

My "guess" is they were intimidated and or threatened if they should go against the police.

Like all gangs...this is how they maintain power.


Sanxuary 2 years ago

This news seems to be only coming out now. Why was it not reported from the beginning to maybe calm tensions? Even now they claim the final report will not be out until November. Even still the man was fleeing and shot as he tried to surrender as numerous witnesses reported. The over use of deadly force in this country needs to be debated.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

well, the police have a job to do and they DO have power, so, why bring attention to yourself if you break the law? You are only going to lose in the end. Had MB just remained cool when the officer told them to walk on the side the street, he would be in college. Walking in the middle of the road as if you own it is just bravado stupidity. It all could have been avoided. But, MB had attitude and look what it got him.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ok, so ignore the constitution, and let cops kill at will....we have right to speak up to power. We not required to bend at knee and prostate because they have uniform and gun. They are supposed to serve and protect, not bully and murder. Ferguson known for racist brutality, this is another case of it.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"While rumors of FBI involvement in Ferguson existed for weeks, it wasn't until this Reuters report was released that the FBI was actively meeting with St. Louis officials "two to three times per week" that it was fully confirmed. Since then, instances of COINTELPRO-like activities by local police and government officials appear to have had a dramatic uptick.

What you will see below is a regularly updated list of documented cases of police abuse, humiliation, misinformation, outright lies, coercion, informants, plants, and more. This list will be updated regularly."

http://12160.info/page/echoes-of-cointelpro-in-fer...


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Dorian Johnson, 22, who was walking with Brown on the street when the shooting occurred, told CNN that the officer pulled up and told them to get on the sidewalk. They told him they were almost home, and would be off the street shortly.

The officer drove forward, but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said.

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," he said.

Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.

The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.

Brown turned around with his hands up and told the officer he was unarmed, but the officer fired and the teen hit the ground, Johnson said.

Another witness, Tiffany Mitchell, has said she saw Wilson and Brown "tussling through the window" of the police cruiser."

******

Guess you all dismiss this kid, huh.

But I have to ask.....you REALLY think this kid is going to reach for a cops gun while the cop is sitting there.....

Unbelievable to me.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

I agree his story is hard to believe. But then, some of the officer's story is questionable.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh--I believe the kid, 100%

Seen it too much and seen the damage it does....far too often, and the only consequences are "paid leave"...or a promotion!

There is no way Brown grabbed his gun, or even approached that cop....Brown feared for his life, not the other way around.

And look--he had good reason to.

He's dead. Shot with hands up.

"Darren Wilson’s first police job was in the small town of Jennings, MO–and the police department had such a troubled history with racial tensions between white officers and black residents that the city eventually disbanded it. Three years ago, every single officer–including Wilson–was fired, and new people were hired in an effort to regain credibility with residents."

http://aattp.org/cop-who-killed-michael-brown-form...

pls read it...you will see how these cops treat black people.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Despite the injustice and emotion, the forensics all indicate a major altercation at the police car and MB was shot in the hand. So, the question is who started the altercation? did Wilson start it and was aggressive grabbing MB first, which I find hard to believe, or did MB, who was fleeing from a store he stole from and no doubt paranoid about overreact when Wilson drove up after words exchange. I also find this hard to believe also. But, that aside, once again, had MB simply not been walking in traffic lanes but on the roadside or sidewalk, he would be alive. So, MB acting with bravado and belligerence brought attention to himself, which is stupid.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

According to man who was there, cop tried to grab Brown by the throat,probly to bring him in and rough him up for kicks...if history is any indicator of present.

And plz tell me you are not serious....that a kid should be killed for walking in the street......his life was treated as cheap commodity by a man w too much power, and no self control.

He should be charged w murder, but of course hell get off.....what's the makeup of that grand jury? All white ill bet, and old enough to have lived when boy was acceptable slur to call grown black men.

Ferguson sounds like a nightmare for black people.

And so is Cape Cod!


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Superkev 2 years ago

Too bad the actual physical evidence tells a totally different story from the multiple ones you keep making up ain't it? LOL

Autopsy report was released today, and not one of your many versions of what happened is supported by it.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

The grand jury does have blacks on it. What did the autopsy say?


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Superkev 2 years ago

I got a PDF of the whole thing. Wound tracks prove he was not in a surrender position, he took one round in the hand while he was trying to get the weapon away from Wilson --blood and tissue found on the weapon and inside the police unit. Bullet tracks and stippling show he was in very close contact with the weapon when he got the hand wound.

And he was most assuredly not running away when he caught the other rounds.

And witness testimony backs it up too. That's the Cliff Notes, I'll see if I can get you a link to the PDF and you can look it over for yourself.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

thanks. not a surprise....


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Where'd the PDF come from...the police (question mark)

Yeah--that's not a surprise.

So, he was NOT running away....fascinating.

I guess all those eye-witnesses are liars...but then--they're black too, aren't they.

You see why its called a whitewash.....and Ive seen it all before.

Those who hold all the cards, get to present the story.

Horrible.....what happened to the ethic: Do the crime, Do the time.....

It doesn't exist for the superior people.


brian 2 years ago

Advantages of having black skin.

1. Black skin makes you look stronger.

2. Black skin makes you look younger.

3. Black skin gives you more flexibility on what you can and can not say.

4. Black skin is good for interacial relations it is easier for a black person to get white votes, girl friend or friends than vise versa.

5. Black skin is good for street protection. You are much less likely to get robbed or the victim of road rage.

6. Black skin can help you with the ladies.

7. Less likely to get fired for job performance.

with that being said I think all the white police should go undercover as black cops that way they do not have to worry about racial politics.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

It seems even when facts, supported by a coroner report and collaborated with some witnesses still is viewed as racial bias because of skin color. I could see how involuntary manslaughter might be a result in a courtroom. I can also see how innocent could win also. If any person fears for their life, they act to protect it and police are no different. But some of the burden falls on MB, how he acted, his attitude-he was already displaying an FU attitude by stealing in the store and using his size when the manager tried to stop him, he acted beligerent by thinking he could walk in the street with traffic when most do not, maybe MJ made him feel invincible and not afraid to confront a cop, after all, he was a teen. His behavior contributed to the whole thing, as did the cop's.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Read it an laugh...who wrote that....a cop.

There is an Eyewitness who says different. He was there while it happened. I believe him. You don't. I'd say you lack credibility, not me.

Your brotherhood sticks together, right....

So don't expect me to believe them, they are far from fair and objective.

IMO


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Superkev 2 years ago

Jesus, you really are insane. A cop doesn't perform an autopsy, the Coroner does. The Coroners office is independent from any LEA, but of course you knew that huh? Yeah, right.

The "eye witness' can say something happened until their ass drops off, the physical evidence shows it didn't, and could not have, happened. But sure, none of these people ever lied right?

He was still shot in the back, the fairy effing godmother healed those wounds prior to the autopsy because she's a racist.

Huffpo:

"Over a half-dozen black witnesses who have testified before a grand jury deciding whether to indict the police officer who killed Michael Brown have provided testimony that "largely supports" Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson’s account of events, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

Sources told The Washington Post that seven or eight black witnesses gave testimony before the grand jury that was "consistent" with Wilson's account, but that none have spoken out publicly about what they witnessed because they fear for their safety."

I guess all those black witnesses are racists too right?

You don't want justice, you want an extra judicial lynching, congratulations, you have just become what you claim to despise. Well done.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Was the coroner there....NO. So, how does HE know what transpired....who told him.....let me guess.

Yet--those who WERE there, and have it on their phones, actually EXPERIENCED it....are dismissed as liars....OH OK.

2 construction workers saw it too...what happened to them.....did they testify

And what does this mean..."largely supports"...says who.

Bulloney. Another whitewash so a murdered can be free.

And don't you call it a lynching.....no white man was ever hanged from a tree for being white.

And next time you call me insane for my opinion...how about your buddies here report YOU!


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Superkev 2 years ago

Hit a nerve did I? Be of good cheer there have been tremendous advancements in the fields of psychiatry and psychotropic medications.

Other than that you are no longer worth addressing.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Just one question......how is someone running away the aggressor (question mark)

And you really want me to believe a person would turn around and charge someone who was chasing him, knowing the person had a gun, and having already been shot with it.

.....It's not me who needs meds.

And didn't I tell you--you all think you are superior!


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perrya 2 years ago Author

The problem with this type of discussion is most are set in their beliefs as to what happened and what they wish to believe with bias. What we do not really know is what transpired when the cop drove up but before anything had happened. Did MB respond with a FU when asked to get to side of the road, which caused the cop to get out of the car, that prompted MB to push him back into the car and the struggle began? Or, did the cop lose his temper after the FU and grabbed or attempt to grab MB causing the struggle to begin? There is no witness to speak to these details, only the cop's version. In either case. MB started down the road that led to his death with his attitude and paranoia after he had stole cigars at another store. Had he just remained "cool" , I am sure he would be alive. Like I said, at best, the cop should be charged with manslaughter, but I suspect he might just lose his job.


brian 2 years ago

Perrya,

I really do think that the police need to have some of their white officers go undercover as black cops. I think that black people are MUCH more likely to listen and behave for black cops.

I also think that america needs to have white bosses go undercover as black bosses to help get more productivity out of black employees.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

There was a witness!

"Dorian Johnson, 22, who was walking with Brown on the street when the shooting occurred, told CNN that the officer pulled up and told them to get on the sidewalk. They told him they were almost home, and would be off the street shortly.

The officer drove forward, but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said.

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," he said.

Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.

The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.

Brown turned around with his hands up and told the officer he was unarmed, but the officer fired and the teen hit the ground, Johnson said."

---You refuse to believe him. Why, I don't know.


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Superkev 2 years ago

Johnson: "He was shot in the back!!"

Medical Examiners: "Ok, let's look at the body, hmmm, there are no wounds to the back here, all the shots are in the front of the body."

Johnson: "I don't care! He was shot in the back, while running away! Why won't you believe me?!!"

Medical Examiners: "Ummm, because we have a body here with no wounds to the back, that's why."

Johnson: "But I am a credible witness, he was shot in the back!!"

Medical Examiners: "No, you'e really not, but thanks for playing what can I lie about to get on TV and cover my arse.

And by the way, you have a warrant out for your arrest from NC for lying to police, you may want to take care of that somehow. Oh, and you helped commit a strong arm robbery just before the shooting, FPD has a few questions for you about that as well. But I am sure you will forthright and truthful, right?"

There have been THREE autopsies done, THREE! County, federal and the hack that the family hired. None of them, zero, have said that there are any wounds to MB's back.

Do you really think with the Obama/Holder DOJ skulking around that they would let any evidence that possibly showed wrong doing on the officers part be suppressed? Really? Do you think Eric Holder, of all people, would not have leaked that the federal autopsy supported the protesters claims in the name of the transparency they were (keyword: were) screaming about?

Funny how suddenly they are not so happy about transparency when what is released doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

You will notice also there has bee no more talk of a civil rights lawsuit from USDOJ and both Al and Jesse are now nowhere to be found around Ferguson, Mo.


brian 2 years ago

What people do not understand is that black people are much more likely to get confrontational towards white people. Black people are much less likely to get confrontational towards a black person.

I think the white community should use a black law enforcement team to keep their kingdom safe. Even if it means having white officers go undercover as black officers. It is possible robert downey jr. Tropic thunder And john griffin both went undercover as black men.

The white community needs to understand how a black voice can help them.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"And by the way, you have a warrant out for your arrest from NC for lying to police, you may want to take care of that somehow. Oh, and you helped commit a strong arm robbery just before the shooting, FPD has a few questions for you about that as well. But I am sure you will forthright and truthful, right?"

This is how police get people to A: Shut up, or B: Lie for them. They threaten w jailtime

maybe you saw today, FBI threatened Monica Lewinski and her mother w 27 yrs in prison if she didn't wear a wire to trap Clinton.

They play dirty. And cops had history of it in Ferguson AND the place cop was before. What about THEIR transparency

He was hidden for weeks! No report, no naming of shooter......CYA ALL THE WAY

In that clip from Johnson talking to CNN---where did he mention Brown shot in the back--he didn't.

But he did mention cop grabbing Browns throat. He did mention Brown in surrender position and still shot down.....and you calling him a liar

And the construction guys, and the 1st 5 people that said they saw him with his hands up and shot....

Cell phone videos don't lie. But i'll bet you they weren't in that grand jury room.

Reminds me of the DA here.....was a woman who shot her husband, and DA was alleged to be dating her....had grand jury hearing on her fate....had all pro-woman people speak at hearing. Guess how it turned out

Like this ....it's a matter of Just-Us, not Justice.

But no worries--you see they are already preparing to put the hammer down on citisens...you win!

Everybody knows he will get off....just like Rodney King and Trayvon Martin....there will be no accountability and no remorse.

And cop will go on Fox and commiserate as poor victim of awful black people.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Thanks Chris, well, sounds like everyone had attitude that day for whatever reason.


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Superkev 2 years ago

"In that clip from Johnson talking to CNN---where did he mention Brown shot in the back--he didn't."

Yep, once again LMC, spot on. LOL. Do you ever get tired of being proven so utterly wrong on everything you say?? LMAO

http://youtu.be/I7tTsEYE3Ms?t=1m20s


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Actually--I've been right on lot. You just will never get it. And I don't really care. Anyone who thinks the police have the right....that an 18 yr old deserves to be shot 6 times, is a nothing in my eyes. I have more use for a dirty rag.

Go on and keep up the farce of justice in America.....maybe someday it will happen to someone you love, then you will see.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said on Tuesday that clashes between police and protesters in Ferguson shows that “apartheid is flourishing” in the US, similar to South Africa during the apartheid era."

--you're in good company Kev

KKK Raising Money for Killer of Michael Brown

http://stopthetargeting.com/2014/08/22/kkk-raising...

"Some of the contributors described themselves as fellow law enforcement officers."---ooooooh, that sends shivers of comfort down my spine...knowing that law enforcement officers are members of the KKK

How bout you, Kev


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Thanks for the update. I'll wait for the final report via the grand jury before making judgement.


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Superkev 2 years ago

You did see the video clip of Dorian Johnson saying MB was shot in the back, right? LOL You know, that thing you adamantly claimed he didn't say, except he did HAHAHA

Every time you get proven wrong, you just move on to something else even less relevant to what happened in Ferguson, and we all notice how you never, ever address anything you say that is proven to be utterly false.

And I am guessing that it's no worse than a Democrat Senator who served

50 years in the US senate after having served as a Grand Kleagle of the KKK in West Virginia.

Not one democrat, ever, asked for him to step down because of his racist past, not one. In fact they honored him, Bill Clinton spoke at his funeral HAHA How many lynchings do you think he was involved in directly or indirectly? The KKK was all southern Democrats, all of them. That's your party isn't it? HAHAHA

Once again, it looks as if you have become what you say you despise, you're batting .1000!!

"The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."

--DEMOCRAT Senator Robert Byrd 1959-2010, US House of Representatives 1953-1959

So I bid you and your tin foil hat good day. :)

http://ross-elder.com/2014/08/11/shooting-the-unar...


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh, did I hit a nerve.....(question mark)LMAO--good imitation of you, huh

I didn't adamantly claim anything. I copied a transcript bit of him talking to CNN. Nowhere did he say he was shot in the back.

You posted the you tube clip, not me.

And listen, if a cop is firing shot after shot....you can't blame him for thinking that. Maybe Brown lurched forward as he was running AWAY....not towards, and it looked like he got shot. We know he was hit 6 times...and a man has audio of 10 shots fired--that's ok by you, not me.

And you still haven't 'splained how someone running away is the aggressor, and the one chasing is the victim. DOIYYYY

And Byrd apologized for being a racist....your cop can't apologise for gunning down a black kid.--nor do you admit it's wrong.... Who's worse.

My tin hat knows more than your lead one. Yours just sinks to the bottom with the weight of it's ignorance and superior ways.

Tin is open and free! Not leaded down and stuck with the bottom-feeders. :-)


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

nice comment from the article peoplepower posted in his racial creep thread:

"Too little too late.

My local paper ran a piece on this by-lined from the Washington Post that ran a full page and a half with tons of "pundits" claiming this fully vindicated Officer Wilson and therefore no investigation is required.

There is no way any charges will be brought against Wilson now (not that there ever was since no police report was ever filed on the incident.)

They have successfully vilified a dead young man who got shot 7 times for walking in the street.

It's Travon Martin all over again. The jury pool is now irrevocably tainted and any case is ruined, just like the powers-that-be wanted."

*****

No police report

Leaking info from the Grand Jury...supposed to be against the law!

Hiding the cop for weeks....

Releasing store video instead of police report, cause reporters "demanded" it--according to popo chief. Meanwhile no reporter even knew it existed!!

CYA. CYA. CYA

Say it with me people.....Just-Us


big daddy oreo 2 years ago

What they need to do is bring in more black policeman.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

That would help


bdo 2 years ago

Another thing they could possibly do is have some of the white police officers go undercover as black officers. Robert Downey jr passed as a black man in Tropic Thunder. John howard Griffin went undercover as a black man in the 1960s.

The one thing I have never understood about race from a white perspective is why the white community uses white hands to handle their black issues. A black voice is so much more powerful in dealing with black people. If they can not find a black person to help them they need to take white guys and have them go undercover as black men.

You could have white bosses and assistant bosses go undercover as black bosses to get more productivity out of black employees. You could have white teachers go undercover as black to get more productivity out of black students. You could do this in the city, suburbs or rural areas. I think they need it more in the suburbs where there is a lack of black authority figures.

All the white community needs is a black voice to help them. Black hands to help them.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

So, here is how it went down. Wilson first stopped the two in the middle of the street, telling them to get out of the middle of it. At that time, he had not either heard dispatch telling all officers of the theft MB had done. However, as he pulled away, he either realized who they were or dispatch was heard, so he stops and now confronts them as possible suspects to a crime. From that point on, MB either over reacts being scared and assaults wilson or wilson attempts to arrest him for the crime because other police cars soon would arrive. So, yes, MB caused it all by stealing the box of cigars, which is so very stupid and we know he used his size to confront the storeowner who tried to stop him initially. So, he could be a real jerk when he wanted to.


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peachpurple 2 years ago from Home Sweet Home

sorry, i am not sure what or who are telling the truth, but let us pray for his soul to rest in peace


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Here's how it really went down:

White cop sees 2 black kids and labels them thugs. Decides to harass them, as he has the power to do so. Tries to pull MB into the squad car -- bring him into station for more harassment--possibly physical abuse, as has happened before to black men in Ferguson-- but MB resists. Because he resists, this angers cop, so he pulls gun out and MB shot in the arm. MB runs for his life. Cop keeps shooting and shooting as he is now in a fit of rage. Kills the kid while he has his hands up, and is falling forward from his wounds.

No police report released, only character assassinating video of MB....to justify this murder. Cops helping cops.

Cop goes into hiding...leaving normal people to speculate: What's he hiding from.....

Eyewitnesses discounted, cop allowed to give testimony to grand jury.....

Parents of murdered son must go to UN to have grievances aired.

Gvr calls out national guard on protestors, just as happened in Kent state during Vietnam war.

Solidarity shown from Palestinians in Gasa, who tweet to Ferguson protestors about how to repel tear gas.

More than just coincidence, since Ferguson cops trained in Tel Aviv.

It's not a war on terror, it's a war on black people and Muslims.

IMO


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perrya 2 years ago Author

You live in a different universe.


brian 2 years ago

I am telling you they need to have some of these white cops go undercover as black cops.

If mike brown was shot by a black cop there would not be an issue. Why can't the police department use a heavy black face law enforcement team to handle troubled black youth?


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Don't know,LOL


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"If mike brown was shot by a black cop there would not be an issue." Oh yes it would. The issue is police brutality: giving emotionally disturbed people guns.


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

The biggest issue IMO, Chris, is the way people are responding to the shooting. Emotionally disturbed people are reacting to things that don't go their way by hurting others and destroying property.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

I agree


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I think this is bigger:

"The unrest in Ferguson was stoked by mistrust among black residents who complained that the city's police department had singled them out for years. For example, every year, traffic stop data compiled by Missouri's attorney general showed Ferguson police stopped and searched black drivers at rates markedly higher than whites."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/...

As usual, people demonise the symptom, but ignore the disease.

What are citisens to do when gvt officials target them unfairly, and at the threat of their freedom and their lives.

I would bet my LIFE that the same people who decry the Ferguson protestors were championing Cliven Bundy, who aimed guns at federal officials.

Until the disease is cured, the symptoms will persist.

And the disease in this case is shooting down black kids like ducks.


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

This quote comes from the same article: "Those disparities are easier to measure than they are to explain. They could be a reflection of biased policing; they could just as easily be a by-product of the vast economic and educational gaps that persist across much of the USA — factors closely tied to crime rates. In other words, experts said, the fact that such disparities exist does little to explain their causes.

"That does not mean police are discriminating. But it does mean it's worth looking at. It means you might have a problem, and you need to pay attention," said University of Pittsburgh law professor David Harris, a leading expert on racial profiling."

Blaming circumstances rather than the disease (that is, emotionally disturbed people reacting to things that don't go their way) won't solve any problems. Can we address this national racial disparity in arrests? Perhaps. We might be able to address any causes that aren't socially/economically/culturally (that is minority cultures) ingrained...so where there is blatant profiling, that needs to stop. Where police are acting with a discriminatory attitude, that needs to stop. But anyone who believes they can solve real or perceived problems by hurting others and destroying property are making things worse for themselves and either generating or increasing bitterness among those they target.

I decry the VIOLENT Ferguson protestors and I've never championed Cliven Bundy....I decry all violent protestors. Violent protest does nothing but aggravate the situation being protested.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Well, the problem i see is violent police. They are the ones aggrivating the situstion by treating citizens as enemy combatants. And it wholly depends on who the protesters are. Tea party never got this treatment.....but OWS did. Black protesters always do. College students. Tear gas, clubs, handcuffing...all for exercising right.

if the police ate going to be violent, that kind of sets the tone, doesn't it? And btw, the Browns have begged people not to be violent...who will say the same to police?

Isn't that really the whole problem.....certain people are allowed to be violent, and we are just supposed to take it.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

As usual, there are many facets to this anger and problem around Ferguson. There is no one answer that will make things hunky dory. If agitators take advantage of a no indictment for their own anger and discontent, it gives the peaceful protests a VERY bad name.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

And vice a versa...if police use unnecessary violence because they can......it is not acceptable. Just cause they're police.....I don't think so.

Besides, they are not telling the truth:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/19/1346078/-...

*****Have you ever heard of testa-lying.....

Here's something I read years ago:

Never Talk to the Police: They’re Trained to Lie

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/never-talk-to-...

You know the saying: if you lie about one thing, how can you be trusted on anything......But they have all the power an force behind them.

If they were righteous, they wouldn't need all that gear to assault people.

But since they are liars an brutes....they need an army

Sorry, but it's the state of affairs here now.

You can deny it all you want: I choose to believe my eyes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B255bbbIcAAfYhd.jpg

****

For those police who ARE righteous an honest......time to pick sides. The thin blue line, or humanity. http://www.amazon.com/Thin-Blue-Line-Randall-Adams...

IMOO


brian 2 years ago

Perrya,

be honest with me. If you were a police officer would you prefer to be black or white?

In an area that is half black half white?


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Brown would be ideal of the but it is way more than skin color, it is a basic distrust of any cop of any color that many people have but seems to be more excessive with blacks because of the history. There are black cops on the ferguson force, they were treated with the same disrespect.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

The cops disrespect the citisens, and THAT is the problem.

But only certain citisens, and that makes it even worse.

Even when I was growing up: we all knew about "the hill". This is where the cops would take boys--usually poor and troubled, and "show them who'se in charge"...ruff them up a bit, where it wouldn't show.

And these were white boys.....I can only imagine how it feels to be black, and the target of all that animosity by people in power--who have such power over them!

And white people think they are just supposed to take it!....why---you wouldn't !

and I really have strong intuition that KKK is behind all this out there......they went underground, not away. Just like the Nasis.

Mark My Words!


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perrya 2 years ago Author

What will happen because of the MB incident is that police forces will now be careful, maybe too careful, about handling whatever situation and where cameras. But, let's not ignore MB's own attitude-he was huge, physical size and a teen with his own racial bias from wherever. he had robbed a store, threatened the storeowner and acted in a belligerent manner. He was a jerk. This attitude carried over when confronting the cop. If MB was white, in same situation, the result would be the same. Once wilson got the suspect description, he attempted to arrest and MB resisted. Just take color out of it, remove your own personal biases and experiences. Most cannot who think this is a racist thing.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"This attitude carried over when confronting the cop"

---You have no way of knowing this, but the cop's story. You believe him --I don't.

In fact, the EYEWITNESS says Wilson was being belligerent....opened the car door so so hard on Brown that it ricoched back on him.....you don't believe HIM...why....if not his race, then: what.

YOU take the story 100% from the policeman's side.....who has the bias here!


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

I believe the grand jury examined all the evidence and came to the proper conclusion. @Chris-Which eyewitness?? There were lots of eyewitnesses and some of them were fully discredited by the physical evidence. Many eyewitnesses confirmed Wilson's story, and weren't discredited by physical evidence.

You're correct that there are police in America that abuse their authority - and in fact there are entire departments that do. There's something called the code of silence (see the Chuck Norris movie); that's scary stuff. However, the assumption that an officer who shoots a black teenager is hiding something is itself biased, because there are many police officers that do an outstanding job.

Perrya is correct when he says that "MB's attitude carried over when confronting the cop". How do we know this is true?? Look at the grand jury decision....no indictment. Therefore the only way this could have gone down the way it did was for MB to have a sour, perhaps bigoted attitude himself.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

The reason it went own the way it did is because the DA made it so.

A petition signed by 70,000 people asked that he step down from this case for non impartiality....there was a "2000 incident in which McCulloch opted not to charge two undercover drug officers who shot and killed two unarmed black men, and the deep family ties McCulloch has to the police department."--his father was cop shot on duty, and his uncle a cop--ties on his moms side too.

His whole press conference was a defense of Wilson! And he is suppose to prosecute him!

There were 6 eyewitnesses who said Brown was shot w hands up.

I guess they are deemed liars.

And btw...who has a trial in the GJ.....no one! That was against all normalcy. And I know 1st hand.....from sitting on one.

They said at first that Brown was 25 ft away when shot......more like 130 ft.

They said at first that Wilson knew nothing of the robbery....now he is the hero going after the man who robbed a store...after he helped a poor baby to breathe, of course. What a hero!

He says he was defenseless against this big hulk....even tho he just as big, and had the gun. And how in WORLD can he see Browns Devil Eyes from 100 ft away.....

This is cover-up and story-time. They have power to do it----so they do.

They have support of 37% of people....but this 37% happens to run America.

If the rest of the world can see it...and multiple protests around America don't move you.....It's because you are unwilling to move.

So be it......I am same way. I know what I know...from my experience of living here. God help what black people must go thru.

And God help white people to melt your unrepentant hearts.


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Superkev 2 years ago

"multiple protests around America don't move you.....It's because you are unwilling to move."

Actually it's because scientific forensic evidence beats a temper tantrum for thinking people.

But hang on to your delusions like a security blanket, from what I have seen you post over several weeks, it's all you have to keep you warm this winter.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Hmmmm, I would say thinking people don't have to resort to personal insults, that's what I would say officer kev. And I actually wont be keeping warm....just heard electricity is going up to 30 cents per kh.......so glad we didn't get windfarm that would make our rates skyrocket. Thanks Koch!


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Those witnesses you mentioned were demonstrated to be wrong by physical evidence and by numerous other black witnesses (plants by the DA most likely, LOL). As superkev points out, scientific forensic evidence was primary here, proving that Wilson told the truth about what happened.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Bs! They said he was 35 ft from Wilson when he was shot. But is was 130 ft away, not 35. First they said he didn't know about the robbery, then he was chasing him FOR the robbery......once a liar, always a liar. And I believe NONE of it.


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Who is "they" and why did "they" have to change their story? And yes, initially Wilson didn't know about the robbery...but he'd just encountered MB when he heard about it and then saw that MB matched the description.

And by the way, there's a reason that Ferguson police didn't file a report on the shooting: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-sho...


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perrya 2 years ago Author

All experts agree that eyewitness testimony is 75% incorrect at best. people see different things, influenced by emotion, biases and they as time goes on, facts become jumbled. That is why the forensic evidence is the truth. Even those blacks who are not so emotional about this believe what the evidence shows. Chris, you simply are part of a large discontented group who does not believe the truth because of your own personal racism and too emotional to see it. The only thing you believe is that race is why MB is dead. Forget about the crime, the grand jury, the evidence, MB's provocative attitude. In your eyes, MB is 100% innocent and gunned down just because of color. If that is not racism, what is it?


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Im sorry...thy didn't believe the guy that WAS THERE with Brown....How is that....he was THERE!. Know why--because it doesn't fit their narrative.....which is all this story is.

If they believed that guy who WAS THERE--they would see a man in shock, who just wtached his friend gunned down.

He says the cop was the aggressor.....says Brown was trying to get away from him the whole time. Says Wilson grabbed him by the throat.....says Brown had sweatpant shorts on.....no way to have gun there--as Wilson implied.

Six people say he shot with hands up. DA...DA! Supposed to be interrogating Wilson--prosecuting him....is helping the defense!--He says they "can't haves seen what they saw"...Horse Puckey!'''

Here is racism, OK.....

"I asked myself, Can I kill this guy"

"Negro"

"Demon"

"Black Beast"

In my opinion.....which apparently is not credible, only based on emotion.... is that kind of like saying it's my time of the month.

And what, prey tell, are my emotional ties.....I don't know any of these people

But I know poop when I smell it. And this stinks to high heaven!

AS Scalia said in 1992:

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880).

As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

This was turned on it's head here!

Likewise...this guy Wilson changed his story! One minute on in that press conference, I knew it was BS

And...

"However, it is clear that this entire process including police procedures and prosecutor choices were extremely slanted toward Wilson. Things like Wilson washing off the blood evidence, them not taking prints from the gun, Wilson not handling the gun according to proper procedure, the police not taking photos that should have been taken, and on and on. Then the way that things were done by the prosecutor in handling witnesses etc shows such extreme bias that Wilson essentially had a trial at which there was only a defense attorney."

There was NO JUSTICE for Michael Brown.

You can be ok with that, I am SICK of it.


Hxprof 2 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

Physical Evidence. Really? Yes, physical evidence. In the end Chris, it was physical evidence - forensic evidence that made the determination of which witnesses they took seriously and which ones they didn't. Brown's friend offered an account that was at extraordinary odds with the...can we say it together...physical evidence. Like Perrya says above, in scenarios where there are multiple witnesses the police have a lot to sort through because there are many factors that influence what each witness recalls and how they recall it.

Let's say it together, again: Physical evidence.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

You mean the gun--which Wilson bagged himself.....the blood, which he washed off his hands....the batteries that didn't work in the camera.....are you kidding me.

He's a police officer. He knows better. The fact that he did these things is proof to me that he was trying to destroy something...cover something up.

How is it that he didn't follow procedure...and how is it that the DA never cross-examined him on it.

How come no one in law enforcement questioned the 25 ft meme.....it took others to say wait a minute and determine that Brown was much farther away when Wilson shot him.

An I think it's PATHETIC that they dismiss Johnson--who was right there.

But, of course everything Wilson says is true-blue, huh

Evidence.....well. Like they say, you can indict a ham sandwich----for us other people, and when you control the evidence...it's highly likely you can sway it any way you like.

Let me guess--poor Wilson will write a book: Martyr for Justice: how I killed a wild beast and saved the world.

Makes me sick.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

interesting comment: "I KNOW FOR A FACT, FOR A FACT, that you are taught in the academy to never take your attention off a suspect while exiting your vehicle. So, you aren't "surprised", as Wilson claims he was."

hmmm, another "inconsistency"...like he knew nothing about a robbery became he was chasing the robber...How come Wilsons inconsistencies are allowed...but others are lying.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Well, what you are taught in an academy does not always happen in real life because of events. So Chris, it sounds like you would be happy if Wilson or his family suffers for this act. I suspect that might happen because his home address was disclosed in a news report. I suspect Wilson will quit the force and move out of state, but what happened may prevent him from getting another job as a cop. Unlike you, I think both parties contributed to this event in actions, attitude. I think had Wilson crippled MB as he moved forward to him, none of this would happen. I think MB would be alive but in jail for the robbery and assault on a police officer with great bodily force and his college life future would be over. What MB did a few days before going to college is just so stupid. That robbery shows his shitty attitude about others of any color.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"the store owner nor the employees did not report a theft at the store. According to the stores attorney, the owners were bewildered when the police approached them demanding the surveillance tapes.

The store owners are now afraid of themselves becoming a target, due to the Ferguson PD’s attempt to tie their store to the fateful shooting. A gross abuse of police authority, one which now puts someone else at risk.

Even if Michael Brown were a petty thief, this does not excuse the cold-blooded shooting death of the 18-year-old. Of course the right-wing took the robbery claim at face value, and began labeling Michael Brown as a ‘thug‘ who did not deserve due process.

But instead it looked like he was a teenager who was enjoying a few cigars which he purchased at the local store. The store owners did not claim he stole from them. Video evidence shows him paying for the cigars found on him."

Great bodily force....who told you that, Wilson....of course he did...just like that phony picture of him circulating of a guy with a huge black eye....but it wasn;t him, it was someone else. Or the phony picture they said was Michael Brown counting money with drugs around him or something...also not him.

The whole attempt has been to assassinate Brown's character, so they can justify killing him.--sell it to the public like he deserved to die.

Not the first time I've seen this either. They did it to my friend as well. In fact: the first day they arrested him, they put "case closed" on their police web-site. Guilty: no need to prove innocence.

Unlike Wilson, the police were not on his side...and he was subject to a smear campaign that rivals Brown's.

You see, usually it's the accused who are smeared an vilified by the prosecution....in this case, it's the victim.

Oh but I forget: Wilson is the victim here, according to you all.

Poor guy has to move, lose his job....because he can't control himself with a gun, that;s why. Thank GOD he won't have legal permission to use it!

And yes: I see only one side here. The police in this country are out of control.


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Superkev 2 years ago

Guys, it's fruitless to try to talk reality with LMC. He's no better than the people who insist that the earth is flat despite every scientific fact that shows it is not. He would have been the one screaming loudest to hang the witches in Salem in 1693.

He is not interested in the truth, or justice, he is interested in a lynching. Regardless of what the scientific forensic evidence proves or how it confirms witness testimony from multiple witnesses.

No, LMC has only one truth, and that is the one he makes up in his own racist mind. He is not worth engaging in any type of rational conversation about this because he is, frankly, not rational.

Pro Tip: Never argue with someone who will not agree that 2+2=4. Because to them the facts don't matter and you will never win the argument.


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Superkev 2 years ago

So much for Dorian Johnson and the other so-called witnesses LMC so often attempts to hang his ragged hat on.

http://tinyurl.com/mpceq5u


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Wonderful....what about Wilson's inconsistencies....how come those don't rank as disqualifying HIM.I mean.....he didn't follow procedure, his story changed and his main concern seemed to be "can I kill this guy"....YET: no one cross-examined him on these things....Not even the DA--who held the trial in the Grand Jury room. I was on Grand Jury 3 days....no defendant EVER got favorable treatment like that. Basically, it went like this:

"This person blew his nose the wrong way"...indict, indict, indict

Sorry--this has cover-up ALLLL over it.....and anyone can see it who isn't blinded by something.....some kind of block in their thinking which will not allow this to be a case of vicious murder.

So be it. White people.....you're next. http://theantimedia.org/no-charges-for-cop-who-kil...


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perrya 2 years ago Author

@chris, I read the article. You can read into it as a cover up for murder or just bad police procedures. If MB was 130 ft away and still moving toward the cop in an aggressive manner, he could claim the same thing.The one thing that does bother me is that even at 40 feet, Wilson could have crippled MB's approach, not shoot to kill unless emotion simply clouded his training. Just a shot to the legs would have done the job and he would be alive and mostly likely in jail for theft.


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Superkev 2 years ago

THERE IS NO SHOOTING TO WOUND IN POLICE WORK. Jesus God almighty I wish that fallacy would just die already, drives me up a wall. No officer is trained like that and it would be illegal to shoot with the intention of injuring. You shoot for center mass, always, movement of the target means you don't get nice, neat center mass hits like you might at the range. But that is were you aim

When Ofc. Wilson fired the final shots, MB was less than 15' away from him and still advancing. All of the GJ witnesses said the same thing, it's all in the transcripts and they are available to be downloaded and read.


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

All the more reason to be sure nut-jobs don't get on the force, I would say. Or emotional cripples, people with anger issues, people with biases, predjudices, people who have power issues, etc.

In America, the safety net has all but disappeared, and guns are rampant and readily available...a recipe for disaster, IMO.

And, we all would like to believe the police are good guys.....but to a large segment, and for a long time, police are "just another gang"

I have had a defense attorney tell me that police are not in it for justice--they want to make arrest and prosecution.---whereas I think they need to be neutral: work for us, not the prosecution.

This place has just gone so crasy....it's a death cult society...life is not valued, guns are glorified!

imoimoimoimoimoimo


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lovemychris 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Someone with psychological damage from war should not be carrying gun,IMO. Likewise...Browns mother said this: The teenager's mother, Lesley McSpadden, told CBS she didn't think Wilson wanted to kill Michael but that 'he wanted to kill someone'.

In 2013, Wilson was caught with a woman at her house by her then boyfriend....who proceeded to assault Wilson.

not exactly the kind of person I want having a gun either....Wilson sounds kind of trailer-trashy to me.

six foot four guy scared of an18yr old.....or previously beat up person w a gun, and the "fight or flight" memory

Nor do I agree with Christian Militia taking up arms against gvt crap....

We need SERIOUS admittance that guns are not play-things, people!


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Well, perhaps should be trained to shoot to maim not kill also. What is worse, killing or crippling and then prosecution? AS to the DA, well yes, all across the USA, all DA offices seek high conviction rates because of government subsidies or tax breaks. They seek to get a 90% rate for their area but if a case is so obvious it cannot be done, they will not pursue it as in the MB case. Had the grand jury decided to indict, charges would be against Wilson. To think the police as a "another gang" is just prejudice gone amok. Most are fine. How a person acts when stopped by police is critical. MB acted in ALL the wrong ways. when stopped, do not escalate the original stop with bullshit or how you feel because it will do no good.


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Superkev 2 years ago

You cannot use deadly force to injure perrya, first because it is illegal as hell to do so, and second, if you use deadly force how in the world do you think you can keep the damage to just an injury? Answer: You can't and that is why it is called deadly force.

That's is why there is no shooting in the leg/arm whatever. If you use deadly force you best be damn justified in killing that person, if they happen not to expire fine, but if they do you better be justified. There is no way to limit a gun shot wound through some sort of magic pixie dust and keep it non-lethal. Do you get it now?

It. Can't. Happen. Period.


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perrya 2 years ago Author

CNN has a great analysis of the entire incident!


brian 2 years ago

Perrya,

what I hope and pray that you and the rest of white america will realize is that a black man or a white man disguised as a black man can protect you from black racism much better. Robert Downey played a black man in tropic thunder movie.

If a black person accused you of racism without cause don't you think a black faced person would be a better character witness for you?

Black skin makes you look stronger and tougher which would really help the police. If it was up to me the white community would use oreo cops white cops disguised as black cops to keep their kingdom safe.

Black skin can keep you safe in prison.

Watch the movies lean on me and coach carter. Morgan Freeman and Samuel Jackson show how powerful a black faced authority figure can be


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perrya 2 years ago Author

Brian, that is a great movie! Thanks.


brian 18 months ago

Perrya,

look at what happened in Baltimore! It would help so much if all the police could go undercover as black cops. But I have yet to find a safe and affordable way. They say it is very rare for a white person to want to be black. Black skin will help so much.

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