Which Republican Can Challenge President Obama in 2012?

Nominee Obama accepting his party's nomination before an estimated crowd of 84,000.
Nominee Obama accepting his party's nomination before an estimated crowd of 84,000.

He Said Yes We Can: And People Believed Him.

A little over five years ago, very few people in American knew who Barack Obama was. It wasn't until the Democratic convention that nominated John Kerry as President that Obama was introduced to America. At that convention, Obama burst onto the political scene as a new leader of the Democratic Party. Still, nobody considered him to really be a challenger for the Presidency in four years.

After George Bush won re-election, everyone believed Hillary Clinton was going to be the next Democratic nominee. The democrats were going back to what had worked a decade before and stay the course. Little noticed when Barack Obama declared that he too was running for President. Then Iowa happened. And before anyone had time to breath, Barack Obama, this man with a funny name and big ears, was inspiring a nation. Thousands stood in the cold to hear him preach about hope and opportunity in places like Iowa and New Hampshire. Young people devoted their time to see that their candidate won. Minorities across all racial divides participated in politics like never before. Americans across the country who never cared before got involved, donated money, time and energy. And he won. In less than five years, Barack Obama inspired a nation and made history.

So my question, who in the Republican Party can inspire their own party and the Country the way Barak Obama did?

Whether you agreed with him or not, it is hard to deny that Reagan was a force of change.
Whether you agreed with him or not, it is hard to deny that Reagan was a force of change.

The Republicans Have Done It Before

Most democrats will claim that the Republicans do not have anyone like Obama and never will. This is simply not the case. Republicans have inspired a nation before. It wasn't all that long ago when Ronald Reagan soundly defeated Jimmy Carter and then won 49 states to secure re-election. Reagan won despite his party being disgraced by Richard Nixon only six years before. While Reagan may have been older and conservative, he inspired many young people to take a part in government. Many of those young people became the leaders of the Republican Party in the 1990s through today. John McCain and Newt Gingrich are unapologetic Reaganites.

Reagan also brought democrats to the Republican Party. Today, a whole section of the democratic party is termed "Reagan Democrats." And remember, Reagan won California both times.

Can the Republicans do it again?

Bobby Jindal's time in the spotlight may be over.
Bobby Jindal's time in the spotlight may be over.

Bobby Jindal

The Governor of Louisiana's name has been thrown around as the potential nominee for the Republican Party in 2012. But after his performance rebutting President Obama's address to Congress, it does not appear that he has what it takes to inspire a nation. Even Republicans have blasted Jindal's performance. David Brooks, a conservative New York Times columnist, who has criticized aspects of the stimulus plan, called Jindal's arguments "insane" and tone-deaf given economic challenges the country faces.

And can anyone really argue that watching Jindal speak inspired confidence and moved them to action? I am sure he is a decent and smart man, but he is not a tranforming figure.

For a moment Governor Palin seemed to be a force of change, but that moment has most likely passed.
For a moment Governor Palin seemed to be a force of change, but that moment has most likely passed.

Sarah Palin

The Governor of Alaska burst onto the scene and for a moment brought hope and inspiration to the base of the Republican Party. The Country even had a love affair with her for a moment. But then as quickly as she came onto the scene, she fizzled. Everyone began questioning whether she had what it took to lead a Country.

And, can anyone really say that when Governor Palin spoke she inspired confidence? She appears to be a more divisive figure than one that can bring people together. In many ways, she is much like Secretary Clinton. She is capable and there are those who love her, but just as many that hate her. There is not a whole lot of middle ground. She does not appear to be galvanizing force that inspires a people to greatness.

Can Mitt Romney Lead Or Is He Better Suited To Be A Department Head?
Can Mitt Romney Lead Or Is He Better Suited To Be A Department Head?

Mitt Romney

The former Governor of Massachusetts ran for President in 2008. A former businessman, Romney's focus was on building economic strength under conservative values. Romney won the Michigan primary and faired well in Iowa and New Hampshire, but his campaign fizzled after John McCain won New Hampshire and South Carolina. Romney was on the short list to be McCain's running mate but was passed over.

Romney is building an organization to run for President again in 2012. He has strong business and organizational credentials. But is he a leader that can inspire a nation? There are those that question his religion (which is not right) and others that question his toughness (fair). It appears he may be a better Department Head than President but only time will tell.

Huckabee is likeable, but do his beliefs alienate too many moderate Republicans?
Huckabee is likeable, but do his beliefs alienate too many moderate Republicans?

Mike Huckabee

Mike Huckabee, the former Governor of Arkansas, ran a strong Presidential campaign in 2008. Huckabee won many primaries, including the Iowa Caucuses, Alabama and Arkansas. Huckabee stayed in the race until March when he gracefully withdrew his name from nomination. Huckabee then worked hard in support of John McCain.

Since the Presidential run, Huckabee has done much to stay in the public light. He hosts a highly rated show on Fox named "Huckabee." There, Huckabee discusses national issues, interviews politicians and celebrities and even plays in a "rock band" made up of people who work on the show. Huckabee has also authoried a new book "Do The Right Thing."

While Huckabee is likeable he may not be the right fit for the Republicans in 2012. He is an ardent and unapologetic right wing politician. While his beliefs appear sincere, his beliefs alienate the moderates in the Republican Party. But, if the Republican Party decides to embrace the evangelicals and the "Christian Right," Huckabee very well could be their man.

Who will inspire the Republicans and challenge Obama?
Who will inspire the Republicans and challenge Obama?

What Are The Republicans Left With ?

Many names are being thrown around about who will face Barack Obama in 2012. Jindall, Palin, Romney and many others. But where is the unlikely candidate that builds a grass roots organization and inspires people to devote their time and energy to put a good man in office? I don't see him or her yet. Even though I am a liberal who believes Obama can do a great many things to improve the Country, I would like to see a sincere conservative who inspires the same amount of passion run against him in 2012. It would great to watch a sincere debate between two candidates who inspire each side. I think it would be good for the Country to have both sides articulated in a respectul manner but with passion and purpose. I hope the Republicans find that person. If they don't, the Republicans may learn what a 49 state sweep feels like from the other side.

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The Electronic Cigarette 7 years ago

Depending on what he does in his first term, a vote for a Republican candidate may just be a vote AGAINST Obama. The stakes and expectations have never been higher for a president coming into office. If he can't live up to those expectations (I'm not sure anyone could) it may not matter who the GOP chooses to run against him in 2012. Anyhow, isn't that the year it all comes crashing down?


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Some fair points, thanks for reading.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

Interesting stuff bgpappa, I ama bit of an anomaly I guess as I consider myself a democrat that leans a little to the right . I voted for Obama , and do not really see a Republican who Is very Inspiring.

But with the likes of Barney Frank , Pelosi , and Harry Ried and the policies they are trying to enact like the gun control Issue and alot of the financial policies , they might vote In PeeWee Herman If he goes ont he GOP ticket coming up . But we really do need a third party . And I say It all the time vote out all Incumbents !


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

Very thoughtful hub. It's very true that the Republicans need a candidate who INSPIRES. I think they would do well not to choose someone divisive. But first, they need to figure out who they are and what they stand for anymore!

I agree that Romney's business background is impressive. It's a shame that his religion is held against him. But ain't that America?

I'll tell you who I'd like to see run. And who I might even cross party lines to vote for: Stephen Colbert!


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Thanks for the comments.

I would vote for Stephen Colbert in a heartbeat, even just for the entertainment value.

Reid and Polosi are horrible.  I am a liberal and they are giving us a bad name.  Spineless and without direction; not what we need right now.  Barney Frank is ok, just shouldn't be out in front.  Doesn't give confidence to anybody.

Thanks.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

But bgpappa ya gotta admit , Palin Is pretty cute !


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I admit it, I admit it. As long as I don't have to talk to her.


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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

I think we are very close to a one party system....Republicans are giving Democrats the rope to hang themselves with.....the higher ups in the party...I believe...know this. The Democrats are destroying themselves with their own arrogance and neglecting to see what is going on. They really underestimate the Republican powers.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Well fair comment. I think Congressional Democrats are doing horrible right now. But what are Republicans doing, nothing. Will they have a leader that can defeat Obama?


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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

It will have to be one who steps out of the shadows like Obama did. He or she must be able to talk with common sense and without a teleprompter.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I think so too, although they all read off of a teleprompter, except for the one that could barely read.


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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

Both parties had better fix our main problems quickly...the people are becoming very restless and angry. This whole mess could blow up in our polititian's faces. Any march of protest could turn extremely bloody and spark a war within.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

I think parties should be eliminated that way a candidate has to run on their own merits !


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Washington would agree with you Tony. I agree, they need to come together. The good thing about a little revolution, is we can have one every few years at the ballot box. Congressional elections in just a year and a half. Grass roots putting up actual candidates could help. Scared politicians could help too.


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thinking out loud 7 years ago

I agree with tony0724, the party system has gotten out of hand. If there must be parties, let them all put up the names of their choice, and vote seperately for pres and vp. Or list all names seperately and the top two vote getters get the jobs. It would create a more inclusive system, and probably neither party would lay claim to the white house. Once a candidate is designated, the party affiliation should be removed. The process should be about the competence of the person, not the party they belong to.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Originally, the Constitution mandated that the top vote getter was President, the person who came in second was Vice President, regardless of Party Affiliation. That is why Jefferson was Adams' Vice President, despite the fact the two hated eachother at the time.

Fair points and thanks for the comments.


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tony0724 7 years ago from san diego calif

And might eliminate some special Interest funding as well .


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I am all for that!


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Tom Rubenoff 7 years ago from United States

When Mitt was Governor of Massachusetts he never missed an opportunity to throw us under the bus for his own advancement, and when he announced his candidacy for president, he did it from the most insulting location possible, New York City, home of the Yankees, for crissakes. All I can say is if there is ever a Mitt Romney presidency, it's going to be all about him, not us.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Interesting. I thought it was odd he spoke more about Michigan, where his dad was governor, than his own state. Thanks for the comment.


gs 7 years ago

a monkey wil be able to beat Obama in 2012. by then we will be so far in debt that the country might even put him behind bars! he is finished in 2012


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

ok, but which Republican Monkey will beat him?


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goldentoad 7 years ago from Free and running....

republicans don't have to inspire. They have to promote fear. Fear of socialism, fear of being weak against terrorism, fear of constitutional rights being taken away. The one who creates the illusion that he is best to handle the anticipated crisis is their choice.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Thanks for the comment golden

I think the last election rejected fear. I agree that is what got Bush elected the second time but people want something new.


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goldentoad 7 years ago from Free and running....

if it weren't for the downward spiral in the economy they would have thrown inspiration out the window and chosen fear. One slip up by Obama and the Republicans will pounce on him and then the "inexperienced" thing will come up again and the seeds of doubt will be watered again.


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

Goldentoad raises a good point. Republicans have always been better at fear mongering. And as long as there are issues that lend themselves to fear, they can capitalize on that. Fear is the strongest motivator in the world.

They have 3.5 years to figure out their strategy. And I also agree that the vast Republican machine is not sitting idle. Reps are sooo much better at framing issues than Dems. Just wait.

I don't think Obama will be a one-term president, tho. It seems people are happy with his actions and his transparency. If the economy turns around, he should be able to ride it to another term. Then again, all could be tossed out the window if there is another Al Quaeda strike on US soil... MM P.S. Agree Pelosi is a shrew.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Well Pelosi is horrible and needs to go. We all agree on that.

Also agree that the Republicans are much better at framing issues. The Spin Machine. I wrote a hub on that topic, actually a few of them. Too many democrats aren't willing to roll up their sleeves and slug it out. See Pelosi must go.

But Hillary tried the fear tactics on Obama and he beat her. Yes, the breakdown in the economy hurt McCain, but McCain hurt himself during that time as well. Obama's calm reactions during that time gave him credibility.

Hard to know the what ifs? But who are the Republican leaders that are to come forward?


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

I should read your hubs on the Spin Machine. The line of that song "When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?" is coming tomind.

If I were the Reps right now I would not be publicly declaring anything. I bet they are in the back rooms right now plotting their takeover. I guess a lot will depend on how close America comes in the next 3.5 years to that state of "socialism" I read so much about here on HP. LOL.

Yeah, Hillary miscalculated the country's mood. When people finally decide to reject fear, they reject fear with a vengeance (I think they call that kind of reaction "knee-jerk"). McCain self-destructed. But on some level, don't you think the Reps KNEW they had to let the Dems have 2008 so they can go and regroup? After 8 years of Bush I don't think ANY Rep could have been elected in 2008.

As to who are the Republican leaders ...we still seem to be coming up empty.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Very good points MM. But I think Republicans thought they could defeat Obama with fear. Calling him a Muslim, Communist, Liberal - none of it worked.

But in three years, if the economy has not improved, and they have someone decent, they will defeat him. And rightfully so.


logic,commonsense 7 years ago

I don't see anyone the Republicans have that can do much. One thing to remember though it wasn't that long ago that the pundits had the Democrats dead and buried. The worm will turn. The problem is that they are only different in name only. Look at what Obama preached during the campaign and now he singing a different tune. Even factions in his own party are pissed at him. Congress never changes. All they care about is reelection regardless of their party label. Just give their own constituents enough of other peoples money to make them want more and promise it to them, then they get voted back in. The majority of us get sucked dry to pay off the ones that scream the loudest. Of course most people believe that their Senator or Congressman is okay it's the others that suck. Myself, both our Senators suck and most of our Representatives nare worthless. But I could be wrong. :)


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Logic, Thanks for the comment.

I agree, Congress currently is horrible. The Democrats are getting in Obama's way more than the other side. I appreciate checks and balances, but they are not doing it for any real reason, just they want business as usual.

The midterms hopefully will kick some of them from office. Even a Republican Congress would produce some debate. Right now it is everyone saying: MINE MINE MINE.

Thanks for the input.


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

I think the US is in a quagmire that is so deep and so complicated it would take an army of political geniuses to pull us out. The challenge is bigger than any one person -- Obama included. Being the cynic I am, I cannot help but believe that Bush and the gang engineered the current state of affairs on purpose. Knowing a Dem would inherit the position, and thinking ahead 4 years to buying time for the Reps to regroup and find their hole to drive through in 2012.

It will be very interesting to see who they come up with to challenge Obama in 2012. As of now, it could go in a number of directions. There is no obvious heir apparent.


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bgpappa 7 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

As much as I dislike George Bush, I don't think he engineered the current state of affairs. I just think he was just that bad. Bad leadership can bring about results faster than good leadership.

Thanks for the comment.


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shazz01109 6 years ago from Western Massachusetts

I'm glad I found this hub. The GOP need to start presenting ideas, and not just be a Party of opposition. They also need to stress fiscal discipline. I'm more concerned with 2010 than 2012 for now. Good info!


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bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Agreed, the GOP needs ideas and not be just the party of no. When Republicans act like actual Republicans, they tend to have good ideas. Only a few are acting as such right now.

Thanks for the comment.


Ryan Skopec 6 years ago

I support Mike Huckabee!


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bgpappa 6 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Honestly, Huckabee seems like a good man. I personally don't agree with his views on many issues, but he seems like a good person at least.

Thanks for reading.


RICHARD H WHITE 5 years ago

OBAMA IS USELESS. All he does is kill innocent Arabs with drone airplanes. What a jerk he is and I was dumb fool to have voted for that Killer of Innocent Arabs with drone airplanes.

What a jerk he is. Arabs know how to make drone airplanes also. They have the ability to do that.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Ok, thanks for the crazy rant.

Thanks for reading.


RAMIUS 5 years ago

The GOP is in trouble....although there is a light at the end of the tunnel....all they have to do is take the fuzzy logic out of the sorites paradox than let the candidate articulate the modern day version of the meno paradox....at which point he or she will have the Pres redefining the liar paradox....esoterically that is....


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

The trouble the GOP is that none of the frontfunners would understand your comment. But thanks for reading and stopping by


RAMIUS 5 years ago

It would seem the present state of affairs at the GOP is lymphatic at best.... and if they could temporarlly put aside their narcissist and pontificating form of discourse just long enough to realize that they all need to pool their resources in order to put forth the ONE single contender that will grind to a halt the Obama federation of change and nuance that will eventually culminate into a form of Neurath's boat.........


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I agree, the Democrats will make it harder for Obama than the Republicans. It will be an interesting two years.

Thanks for reading


Bobby E.Lahmon 5 years ago

I wouldn't vote for a republican if they were the only one on the ballot they appear to have absolutely no domestic agenda at all and they only care about the rich


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Agred Bobby. Thanks for reading.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

HUBBERS

THE WINNER IS HALL


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

ok,

Thanks for stopping by


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

2.5 years

unemployment 10 % jobs jobs where are they ????spending at all time high $4.5 trillion approaching national debt limits $14.3 trillion

I got my money on JOE THE PLUMBER. FOR HOW HE IS MANAGING HIGH GAS PRICES OBAMA MAY BE GONE " impeachment " before Nov 2012


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Wow Jon,

You really are drinking the Fox news don't think for yourself kool-aid.. Jobs report that came out yesterday was pretty good, as they have been for months now. How is the stock market doing? American corporations, how they doing? Perhaps if they stopped outsourcing job.

High gas prices, lets see, is that Obama's fault or is it the greed of the Republican's best friend, oil companies: all have made record profits. Go after the profits, Obama is a socialist. Try to regulate, socialist. Gauge americans, your response is that is the American way. Can't attack foreign policy anymore so back to "Obama didn't fix Bush's failed policies fast enough." All because Obama did what Bush couldn't. Helps when you don't attack the wrong country.

As for Joe the Plumber, he is just as good as the other yahoos running for the Republicans. My dream is a Trump/Palin ticket. Funny, Last time I remember it was Republicans claiming that democrats were "celebrities." Now two bad reality TV stars are the Republican hope. Good times ahead Jon, good times ahead.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

UNEMPLOYMENT went up TO 10%

GAS IS STILL GOING UP

PLEASE COME DOWN TO REALITY

THE JOB IS WAY OVER HIS HEAD


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Wow, unemployment is less than 10% and dropping. Gas prices are actually going down, but those wonderful "market forces" are to blame for where they are. Job was over Bush's head, Obama is just fine. And what about the Republican house, what is their claim to any of this. Their budget does nothing to help the debt, create jobs, or anything else. Just same old same old.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

check this out.

Speaker Pelosi controlled the agenda from Jan 2007 to Dec 2008 in addition to 2009,2010.

Unemployment when she and the Democrats took majority control in Jan 2007 of BOTH houses was 4.5%.In Dec 2008 unemployment was maybe 7% .

TODAY Senator Reid and the Democrat majority are in control of the Senate with a Democrat president ( majority 2/3’s of the government).

Unemployment during most of the Obama administration was as high as nationally 10%+ depending on how the figures were adjusted. Today it is 9.9%

Asking the Republicans ‘’ where are the jobs ‘’ when the government has been controlled by the Democrats for the past 2.5 years of the Obama administration is Idiotic, Stupid and just plain Dumb.

The Republicans were sworn into office in Jan 2011, just 5 months ago. How anyone with one half of a brain could expect a JOB turnover in 5 months compared with 2.5 years of Obama & company plus an additional 2 years of a Democrat controlled Congress in the Bush administration and ask ’’where are the jobs‘’? need to stop smoking, wake up and come down from the heavens above.

IT’S IS SIMPLE, one must seek the whole truth and nothing but the truth and get past the propaganda being fed to the people from Washington, MEANING President Obama & Company.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Ya, 5 months into Obama's term, Republicans were saying he has to "own it" and that he was in "charge." Amazing how now you are saying they haven't had time. And 8 eight years of Bush's failed policies created the unemployment yet it is Obama's fault. Amazing. Speak the truth Jon, Republican policies failed, Obama's policies are working. I notice you have no answer to the current jobs reports, the stock market and all the other improvements. By the way, unemployment stands at 9.2%, a far cry from 10%. Stop the lies, stop the whining.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

'' Obama's policies are working ''

What are those policies, name them .

''unemployment stands at 9.2%, a far cry from 10%'

. IT IS 10%, maybe they will admit it this week when the report comes out.

''Stop the lies'' it really is hard to take when you find out that your information is suspect.

I can't help you if you refuse to open up your mind

Have a nice day

since 2007 up to today can you explain what the Republican policies are that failed?

Remember that the recession ended in June 2009,SO THEY SAY. IT'S ALL ABOUT JOBS JOBS JOBS

'' IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY STUPID '' A past president once said.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Its sad when Republicans have nothing to say.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

STUMPED AGAIN!


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

So, you really have nothing then Jon. Nothing but the same tired old lies, misrepresentations and racist remarks Republicans on Fox have been firing since January 20, 2009. I know, its hard for you guys: Bin Laden dead, economy improving, jobs rising. I know Republicans hate it when that happens. So now that have nothing.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

SHAME ON YOU,SOMEONE SAID that the red phone (direct line to whitehouse )on the Glen Beck show NEVER rang once!

''Nothing but the same tired old lies, misrepresentations and racist remarks''

LIES NAME THEM

MISREPRESENTATIONS CAN YOU NAME THEM?

RACIST REMARKS WHEN DID I EVER??

PLEASE come down from the heavens,what you are drinking or whatever,wake up from the sleep.

"

Bin Laden dead, economy improving, jobs rising".

#1 is good #2 people are still losing their homes and # 3 not counting the ones who quit looking is a lot of creative accounting by the magician and his hocus pokus crew!


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Shame on me???? Oh, Glenn Beck's phone got disconnected for not paying the bills, but at least now we know which Fox Show you are stealing your "ideas" from. Lies, you lied about the unemployment rate. Lies, that the economy is not improving, it is and you know it. Lies, that the economy is Obama's fault and not Bush's fault. Lies, that torture is good, that is a lie. Racist, what else to explain the hatred for Obama from the right. You are not a racist Jon, I know that. But the utter hatred from the right where they are not even questioning Obama's role in killing Osama, the questioning of his citizenship, there is no other explanation but racism at this point.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

HERE'S A QUOTE FROM SPEAKER PELOSI IN NOV 2008

'' The reason that oil prices are so high ,it's because of the 2 oilmen in the whitehouse ''.

Who will she blame for todays high oil prices now that the 2 are no longer in the whitehouse? OBAMA AND DALEY?

PACK IT UP '' RACISM'' and bury it, it's all worn out and is dead.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Funny, I am sure when she said that you said it wasn't true, but now you rely on it. More hypocracy. You got nothing, and you know it.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

I MADE A MISTAKE ON THE DATE SHE SAID THE REMARK. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN JULY 8,2008. MY FRIEND I VISUALLY SEEN HER SAY IT.

''More hypocracy.'' Check it out? The truth really must hurt a lot, especially when you keep sucking up the propaganda on the www.

Don't forget that Obama has white and black in his body, how can anyone be a RACIST


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

because the racists only see the black, pretty obvious answer there. Oh, by the way, why are gas prices so high? You blame Obama, you weren't willing to blame Bush and Cheney, but Obama? why is that. Why is there a difference.

Me, if Pelosi said that, which I don't doubt as I don't particularly like her because she says stupid things like that, I blame the oil companies. I believe they artifically inflate prices, decrease supply and are perhpas the biggest threat to security to this country. Spill oil on the beaches and they want to be bailed out, but make huge profits, the most ever, and god forbid that they actually pay anything. And where are the jobs???? Oh, thats rights, those beloved corporations are sending them overseas. And the Republicans want to reward them with tax breaks for doing it. Ya, I got a problem with hypocracy.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

I recently wrote.

A simple solution is:

Don't vote for the idiots who want $4.00 gasoline in the next election.

The house RECENTLY passed a bill to lift the moratorium in the gulf. Senator Reid said he will not put any oil legislation on the floor this year. Contact your senator( III ) if you want gas prices to drop.III are the Senators up for election in 2012.

The Democrat senate on 5/12/11 ( oil company hearings) are planning to take away oil companies subsidies $ 4.4 billion. Governments own 95% of the oil in the world. Our government leases sites to the oil companies, sometimes paying over $4 billion for a site with no guarantees that the lease will pay the oil companies enough to cover their investment.

One oil executive stated that the oil companies pay the government $86 million a day in taxes and leases, world wide they pay 40% in taxes and are working on 3% profit margin. Exxon’s profits in the US were 3% of their total profits ( don’t sound like gouging the US ).

Shutting down the oil drilling operations has cost the nation 1 million jobs. The industrial industry pays 35% in taxes, is it fair to say that the oil companies taxes should be lowered?

President Obama says ‘’ I know your hurt ‘’, HIS ACTIONS tell a different story.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Oil companies made 35 billion in profits in the first quarter and they want subsidies. I think that says it all.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

Bgpappa

The profit margins are 3%, thanks should go to President Obama for literally shutting down US oil production. Remember that profit is GOOD. Why? because the GOVERNMENT takes 40% of it to benefit the taxpayers AT NO RISK TO THE TAXPAYERS.

Let me add that HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY first quarter profits rose 46%,the automaker earned $1.75 TRILLION WON IN THE FIRST QUARTER compared to $1.28 TRILLION WON A YEAR AGO.

OIL COMPANIES ONLY GOT $4.4 BILLION IN SUBSIDIES,THE ''GREEN ENERGY ''INDUSTRIES GOT $6 BILLION, no one told the public about how much the government has invested in stimulus funds. G E got billions and they paid 0 taxes, how can that happen? Oh yes , ‘’friends of Obama and big contributors to the war chest‘’.

THE LATEST GIMMICK from the Senate Dems and Obama.

Tax the oil companies, use the tax money to bank the green energy industries. The GOP wants the tax money to go to pay down the National Debt. OBAMA wants another $2.7 billion added to the national debt. Contact your Congressional representative and tell him/her to vote NO in raising the debt.

Support the Dems right off the cliff because they are driving the bus. They have 2/3s control of the government after having 4 years of majority control of what has happened to our economy.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Wow, you never have an answer to the facts I put out. You only have your Fox News Spin. 35 billion in profits in the first quarter. Yes, Green energy is subsidized because the oil companies have a monopoly and will not allow for competition. But, in my opinion, all energy subsidies should be done away with. Green and oil. Let the market dictate, but regulate the oil companies and create an environment for competition. Oh, by the way, you talk about the bailouts, the money was paid back. GE is a ridiculous situation, not because they made a profit, not even because they got a tax refund, but because they didn't create jobs. They outsourced. Your beloved companies once again. Get profits, outsource job. And of course you blame Obama. Where does that hate come from?


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

GE is a ridiculous situation. IMMELT is Obama's right hand man.GE, but because they didn't create jobs. They outsourced, THEY JUST TOOK BILLIONS.

THE FRONT RUNNER for the GOP WILL BE Mickey Mouse.ACORN VOTE GETTERS TOLD ME SO!

THE $4.4 BILLION INCLUDED OIL AND NATURAL GAS INDUSTRIES.Sorry for the error!


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

No problem,

But you didn't answer the question. I agree GE is ridiculous, so why not tax those profits. Punish them for outsourcing? I am for it. Let's do it. What do you say?

Mickey Mouse is more substantive than some of the folks running thus far. Huckabee, while I don't agree with him on a lot of what he says, had substance, experience and seems like a decent guy. I think that is a loss that he is not running and leaving it to the circus.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

Have a good day, you need to find a new source for your responses.Hoping to see you in the heavenly kingdom!


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

NO response. Have a good day.


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

News Of The Day

Since President Barak '' I'' Obama took office in Jan 2009 the following events have happened .

1. Medicaid costs increased 54%

2.food stamp distribution up 60%

3.A gallon of gasoline up 100%.

4. Social Security will be broke in 2018

5. Homeowner mortgages 28% underwater

6.Housing market medium home prices fell 4.6%

Values dropped for 57 consecutive months

7. Inflation up 3.2%

8. Price of hamburger meat was $1.29 now $3.50 per pound

9. The National Debt ceiling $14.3 trillion was reached today.

Government wants to borrow $2 trillion from federal employees pension funds to keep afloat to 8/2/11 10. unemployment closing in on 10% again

11.THE Medicare trust fund will be broke in 2024

12 There is more to be listed as time goes by

The obama administration claims that the economy has gotten better and improving. Just wondering where they are getting their information?

Hang in there with Obama and Company, they need more time to fix the problems that they inherited from the last Congress and President Bush.

How would you rate the last 29 months of the Obama/ Democrat controlled congress?

FROM 0 TO 10 , be honest if you can!


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Well, considering that most of what you said happened under Bush and Republicans, I say it sucks. You can't play both sides. Blame Obama if you want, but the economy tanked under George Bush and Republican fiscal policy. Under Obama, the free fall of the economy stopped, jobs have come back (slowly I will admit thanks to those patriotic corporations outsourcing profits) the stock market is back up, people other than those of Fox News think the country is going in the right direction.

Funny, you still haven't responded. You never will. And apparently Donald is too sane to jump on the ticket with the Republicans, sad really. For the party that called Obama a "celebrity" all these reality TV stars sure are coming out of the woodworks.


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

I am looking, too. I wasn't too happy that Obama caved. Nix on the Tea Party Candidates- they are too whacky and out of touch for Independents like me. I might give Romney another look this year. Is there a third party candidate that has some of Obama's energy but more maturity? Obama is pretty smart; maybe he will take his F grade on the Debt Crisis and speed Above Average fast! I look forward to working this through with your help.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Story,

Agreed, Obama caved. I would really love a democrat in office. But the right have gone out to lunch, need a third party candidate as well.

Thanks for stopping by


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JON EWALL 5 years ago from usa

bgpappa

'' jobs have come back (slowly ''

the jobs are in the public sector, obama increased the size of government 20%.

check this out my friend!

Senator Coburn commented on the house cap, cut and balance bill submitted to the Senate. The Senator made a presentation of all the waste in our government pointing out that the house bill if allowed to debate on the Senate floor could have been the solution to the debt crisis.

See COBURN REPORT

WASTE IN the US GOVERNMENT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVJ2gqqKWs


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

No problem! Glad to commiserate. More accurately, SAD to commiserate... Keep thinking on this one.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Jon, I would rather watch the Cobert Report. I will agree with you on this, the Department of Homeland Security, let's get rid of it.

Story, sad day indeed. Insane are running the place


JON EWALL 5 years ago

bgpappa

''. Insane are running the place'' REALLY

The 3 ring circus was fantastic, never was anything in doubt. The Aug 2nd was a scam and just another Hollywood production.

Normally when an important piece of legislation is signed, the President has all the leaders in the background witnessing the triumph of the occasion. Notice that it was only Obama there in the office before the American public signing the document. Whatever happened to the 72 hrs before voting on a bill? Barack ‘’ I ‘’ Obama did it all , all by himself.

The president again spoke of fighting for jobs and again ordered Congress that they have more work to do.

Same old pep talk on jobs, same speech on 1/7/10, 8/30/10, 1/25/11, 4/1/11,5/7/11 and today 8/2/11. Unemployment is at 9.2%, shows how hard Obama has been working to get people back to receiving a pay check instead of a government payout .

Have a good day, my friend


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

And where was the unemployment rate under Bush? Where was the stock market? Where was the economy? Typical Republican, cheering for America to lose. What a joke.


JON EWALL 5 years ago

bgpappa

‘’Bush? Where was the stock market? Where was the economy?’’

The past is not the future of our country but as long as you bring the past allow me to clear the air.

The nation from 2000 to 2006 had a Republican President and majority REPUBLICAN controlled Congress. Unemployment was 4.6% ( even after an inherited Clinton recession, attack on 9-11 and the start of the war against the terrorist in Afghanistan and Iraq). A barrel of oil was $ 45.00 and the economy was moving along at a good pace.

2007-2008 A Republican President and a DEMOCRAT majority controlled Congress. It took Pelosi/Reid leadership less than a year for the country to fall into another recession in Dec 2007. Unemployment was 6.5% when Bush left office and a barrel of oil went to $125 from Jan. 2006 to dec. 2008. ALL BUSH’S FAULT not to mention that Obama was in the Senate.

2009-2010 a DEMOCRAT President and a SUPER Democrat majority of Congress with Pelosi /Reid still in control of Congress. The Bush- Democrat Congress recession ended in June 2009

2011 - present a Democrat President ,a Republican controlled House of Representatives and a Democrat majority controlled Senate. Today the Dems control 2/3 s of the government , yet President Obama and the Dems complain the the Republicans are at fault for unemployment (9.2%) and the economy ( AT THE BRINK OF DEFAULT ).

On Aug 3,2011, President Obama urged Congress to approve the FAA budget that expired putting government employees on furlough. The facts are that Congress is composed of the Senate and the House of Representatives. Obama is calling for the Republicans and Democrats to come back to Washington and approve the FAA bill. The fact is that the House has already approved the BILL and sent it to the Senate where Senator Reid did not take up the bill. Apparently the Senate needs to get back to work and take care of business. President Obama NEEDS TO BE MORE ACCURATE IN HIS STATEMENTS.

‘’THE MAN ‘’ is all smoke and mirrors regarding the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Also include the mainstream media and the press.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Oh, Jon, you are so delusional. Nevermind that recession, nevermind unfunded wars. Nevermind that cutting taxes is all Republicans do, even when history shows it hurts everyone.


William Malone 5 years ago

Ron Paul 2012 is the answer.


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Maybe Willaim, we shall see.

Thanks for reading


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bgpappa 5 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Stay on Topic Jon


We know now but it will not matter 4 years ago

The Republicans are winning it for him. The fantastic dirt throwing is just going to work for Obama.

Seriously. It likely does not matter. The problem is that too much dirt has been thrown while Obama stands by and enjoys it.

http://cognitiveanomalies.com/are-the-us-president...


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I agree with you. Thanks for reading


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

JON EWALL Level 7 Commenter 10 months ago

bgpappa

I recently wrote. 10 MONTHS AGO

NOTHING HAS CHANGED VOTE FOR THE MAN -BOY

A simple solution is:

Don't vote for the idiots who want $4.00 gasoline in the next election.

The house RECENTLY passed a bill to lift the moratorium in the gulf. Senator Reid said he will not put any oil legislation on the floor this year. Contact your senator( III ) if you want gas prices to drop.III are the Senators up for election in 2012.

Obama wants to invest ??? The us is broke !

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/in...

President Obama’s Unkempt Campaign Pledges

http://chicagoconsultant.com/page2.php?category=2&...


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Jon,

I agree, don't vote for the people that want $4.00 a gallon. Therefore, don't vote for Republicans who support oil companies exporting most of the oil they are producing to other companies artificially inflating the price at home. Under President Obama, the US is producing more oil than under Bush (according to Baker Hughes), yet there is less available because oil companies are sending it overseas. First, corporations outsource jobs, now oursourcing energy. Stop the talking points Jon and actually get with the facts.


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Uninvited Writer 4 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

Funny how the Republicans argued away the oil price increase when Bush was president by saying the president had no control over oil prices and now all of a sudden in 2012 the president does have control over oil prices. Don't you guys ever get whiplash?


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Very good point UW, but watch, when Obama has the attorney general investigate the oil companies for artificially inflating the price of gas, Republicans will cry over the infringement on the market. Republicans don't care about facts, just money.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

Bgpappa

THE OIL COMPANIES are exporting high octane gasoline, today the nation’s number 1 export, which is in high demand in the world. You have a short memory, when Bush ANNOUNCED producing more oil in the states, the price of oil dropped 25%.There was a recent vote in the Senate to proceed with the keystone. Our President lobbied Democrat Senators to vote the bill down. Ten Democrat Senators voted to approve the bill, the bill was defeated 56-42. The keystone means jobs, jobs that this President promised in 2008. The oil that Obama takes credit for is not coming off federal lands, it's coming from private land. The EPA is formulating new regulations to shut the flow down in North Dakota.

I bet you never seen anything written in the mainstream media or on the President's website. The truth is very hard to find in the liberal world.

The president in his recent press conference pointed out that the greedy oil companies made 377 billion in profit last year. Think about it, the oil companies pay 40% taxes on the profit. The us treasury ( taxpayers ) should be thrilled for the windfall. What did Obama do with the money? Obama wants to tale away the $4 billion in subsidies. Are you aware that when oil companies produce oil on FEDERAL LAND, the government receives addition money for the lease hold and pays a royalty of $18 a barrel besides the tax on PROFIT.

Today, the alternate energy industry is getting $9 billion in subsidies and the government investments are going broke costing the taxpayers $billions. Seriously who would you invest in, a loser or a big winner.

Hoping you to get by the propaganda soon before we get to be GREECE..

The Truth About High Gas Prices. Obama LIES!

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/in...


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

I find it funny you say stay away from propoganda, and then post a Fox News link, nothing but propoganda. According to Tom Sullivan, a very conservative radio host, the cost of gas is directly related to the export of gas. Oh, by the way, the study I sent you too says thesame. You keep listening to Rush, and I will listen to facts. But, of course, you then try to change the subject and try to say how great the oil companies are. You don't want subsidies for alterntaive energy, fine, but if we aren't going to have subsidies then how about none at all. NOne for oil companies. Yes, they are big winners at the expense of Americans. You are a joke Jon.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

bgpappa

Tom Sullivan is WRONG!


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Let me guess Jon, Tom Sullivan isn't a real Republican because he doesn't speak Rush Fox News Talking Points, but points to facts. Is the Baker Hughes report wrong as well? I didn't think so.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

THE Baker Hughes REPORT does not mention where the oil is coming from, it list all rigs . Well I guess you received another half report from Tom.The facts aren't there referring to the export of gasoline.


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

True enough Jon. The Baker Report shows that more oil is being produced under Obama than under Bush, domestically. Yet, there isn't enough oil to share. Where did it all go? That is where Tom comes in, and a bunch of news articles. I don't mind oil companies getting a profit, good for them. But to blame Obama when the facts show much different is a bold face lie. You are smarter than that.


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

bgpappa

Production of oil on FEDERAL LAND IS DOWN 16%. THE oil that Obama is talking about and taking credit for is oil on PRIVATE LAND, permit processing was in the Bush years. The oil, natural gas and coal industries get a $4 billion subsidy. They have paid back much, much more on the government’s investment including billions in federal taxes. Since Obama has been in office ( 3.5 years ), the Government has INVESTED $9 billion in subsidies ( ALTERNATE FUELS ), pay back $0. The government, taxpayers, will end up losing $ billions on the President's FOLLY.

THE MAN is setting all kinds of records. In Jan a $229 billion deficit, in Feb ‘The Man’’ topped that with a $ 223 billion more deficit.

Wake up , ALL THE PEOPLE aren’t stupid and illiterate.


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

U.S. crude oil production increased by an estimated 120,000 barrels a day last year over 2010 and current production is about 5.6 million barrels a day, the highest since 2003. (from the LA Times yesterday.) I really wonder where your hatred comes from when none of your facts are right


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JON EWALL 4 years ago from usa

bgpappa

Get off the spin, you are getting dizzy.


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bgpappa 4 years ago from Sacramento, California Author

Not spin, facts. I know you are not familiar.

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