Don't Repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell

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Trouble When You Tell

In the United States the military has strict rules against the inclusion of openly gay men and lesbian women serving. I don't know if this is the macho image that the United States military has decided to give to the world or if the Christian moral values from the inception of America has caused the trouble. What I do know is that President Bill Clinton chose to allow gay men and women into the military as long as they did not tell anyone they were gay.

To me, being homosexual is not a choice, it's a way of life. The people who are gay were more than likely born that way. Of course there are some who have chosen this path because of a problem they had with the opposite sex in some manner or other. Some have chosen to be gay out of emotional stress or traumatic experiences. Those are the few. The many are obviously gay. If you just look at or talk to a genetically gay person it is not very difficult to determine that they are not heterosexual.

I do not think that the previous administration did anything wrong except to not have fore-site on this issue. The military should not discriminate based on sexual preference. It is not up to the military to be the moral binding for our country. It is their job to protect and to serve the interests of Americans and to defend the Constitution, which incidentally states that all men are to be treated equally. Funny that the very branch of the US government that is charged with this very important job is breaking it's very basic concept of equality.

I think that if a military member is discovered to be gay he should not be fired from his job. If he is gay that's it. Has he displayed his loyalty to the government? Has he done an exemplary job? I have known many gay and lesbian people and know them all to be intelligent, loyal, compassionate and intelligent. What common sense would cause a person to reject this kind of person into such an important role in our country?

I do think, though, for the protection of our gay service members that they not tell. Being openly gay in a world of homophobia is a dangerous thing. I read of a person who's platoon mate proved to be gay and ended up scalded to death, hung upside down in a sleeping bag in the common shower. His crime? He was gay. The gay man and woman is not the problem. The problem is those who believe that being gay is contagious, or that a gay person is a pervert, child rapist or molester, or that the gay person may wish to "hit" on the straight person. These inaccurate thoughts cause such discomfort in the heterosexual man and sometimes woman that they will do anything to rid themselves of their own personal issues, even if it means causing harm, torture, discomfort, or death to the source of their problems. It is sad to think that being gay can be blamed as the cause of an uncomfortable feeling. To me it is a personal problem.

People do not believe that a gay man is as effective as a straight man in combat. These men should be taught about the Spartans. They should be taught about the ancient people who were all or mostly all gay men who fought with such passion that they were hardly ever beat in battle. They were effective soldiers, leaders, and even kings! King Nero married one of his most beloved man-servants. The anger I hear from straight men who are, have been, or will be in the military is ignorant and ill-educated. They are good soldiers, but they are narrow minded and they need to be taught that tolerance goes beyond the little guy with the glasses to the man who has a desire to be with like-minded men.

Fear of a gay man? This is just nonsense. It is like saying that all father's are incestuous, or that all straight women are going to go after high school students. I do not believe that there is anything different in morality between most gay men and most straight men. The Bible is also used as a defense against gay people. Considering that the Bible was translated in the Roman era of power where the Catholic church was burning women for witchcraft and using their knowledge of the Bible to advertise and support their own narrow view of their world, it is not the most efficient and accurate account of God's word. I appreciate the greatness of the novel but the human effect of the Bible cannot be denied. The agendas of those of the age when it was translated was most assuredly integrated into the words that were in fact inspired by God. We know that even today that supposed "men of God" are using their position to fornicate and other terrible acts against children and their "flock." How sad that so many grasp to a faith that may be half truths.

So, Mr. President, please do not repeal the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" initiative, just modify it to work in today's world. We do not need to have all admit, but if they do get "found out" or if they do decide to tell they should not be fired for this. That does not show equality.

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Ralph Deeds 6 years ago

Well, time marches on. Openly gay people can be found in every occupation from pro football players to ballet dancers. The majority of members of the armed forces are young people whose prejudice against gays is less common than that of their parents and grandparents. I don't think we need to protect gays by telling them to hide their sexual identities. That should be left up to each individual as is is in every other occupation. And gays and lesbians are the best judge of whether they would be exposed to danger from homophobes in the military if they were allowed to serve openly. It's pretty clear that they universally believe the don't ask, don't tell policy should be discontinued. Until recently it has been the generals who have been dragging their feet. General Powell supported don't ask don't tell when it was adopted as a compromise under Clinton. More recently he has changed his tune and supports dropping the policy. So have several other generals.


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kateperez 6 years ago from pasadena, tx Author

Thank you, Ralph, for your very wise comments. Your very concept is the stance that I had before I saw a question/answer that turned into a verbal gay bashing celebration. I am all for anyone being who they are, obvious by my hub... however it is not as acceptable as you may think. I read a woman who actually called them "Fags" and a man who called them "twinkle toes who I would never trust with my life." This is not the acceptance that I was expecting. I was in the military in the 1980's, and although it was suspected no one ever admitted.

If I had not read those comments from other people who were so hateful toward their fellow man, I would have thought that repealing the whole stupid "compromise" was a good idea, however when I read comments like the ones I mention above, I don't think that it is safe yet.

ALSO.. I forgot to put in my hub, those comments and answers that I read also said that an openly gay person in the military would begin to ask for preferential treatment because of their being gay. I think that is a lot of crap, but if the sentiment exists in people then it is not yet time for people to accept those things that are different. The Christian belief still contends that gay is a sin, although I do not personally believe it. I have a gay brother. I don't care that he is gay, we even have the same taste in men...LOL... I have had very good lesbian friends and none of them tried to "hit" on me. It is still, though, obvious that ignorance exists and those are the dangerous ones.

I appreciate your comments, and I really believe you to have the right idea, but unfortunately, I also believe that we are in the minority.

Kate


Alex 6 years ago

I think if some gay servicemen and women want to keep quiet about their sexual orientation for their own safety, that's great and they should do so. And if some are not afraid, then they should be out and open.

I don't think we should have a policy that forces people to share or not to share, that should be their choice, and they will know best which benefits and consequences they'd prefer.

Don't Ask Don't Tell doesn't really need to be modified, if it is repealed many can still stay in the closet, and there won't be investigations into people who may be gay so it will help people stay that way.


Conan  6 years ago

This should not be repealed!! I was a Marine. My cousin is gay and i would never wish any ill upon him, but gays do not belong in the military. Regardless of what you might think, most of the people in the military are straight so it is odd and awkward when there is a homosexual. It is life and death, it is NOT a game. Feminine gay men do not have what it takes to fight and kill and I would not want one next to me while I'm fighting. It's also just a slap in the face to let them openly serve. It makes a mockery of something very serious and it will cause a lot of good people (non-homosexuals) to make the decision not to join who would otherwise make a very great contribution to a very important American service.


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JY3502 6 years ago from Florence, South Carolina

I agree with CONAN.I was a Marine also. There was an openly gay Marine in our squad bay. He was attacked by two "straights" and beaten severely. I'm not gay but I jumped into the fray and held them off while he found shelter. I suffered a few bruises for my trouble also. I hate the sin, not the person. It is wrong in any case to do harm to someone because of their sexual orientation. This is just one example of how gays in the military effect unit cohesion. No matter how much human relations training the military would teach concerning this matter, people are not going to change their views when it comes to homosexuality.


kateperez 6 years ago

I was a Marine, too.

Who is to say that a gay person is feminine? The only way to be able to say that is by knowing every gay person in the world. There is no way!

I don't understand the fear of something different. There are not as many women in the Marines as there are men, but most of us are pretty much feminine. Would you not want us there as well?

How is it that there is such a fear, or distaste of something like this? Why? Your answers are those of the people who are afraid that being gay is perverse or contageous. I doubt either is true.


Alex 6 years ago

Those two straight men who attacked their fellow serviceman and beat him severely are shameful, and should not be serving in the military. This is the example of how people who let their personal issues get in the way of doing their job affect unit cohesion.

No matter how much human relations training the military would teach regarding religious tolerance, racial tolerance, sexual orientation tolerance, some people will think the military is their personal playground to attack whomever they want for being different, and they don't belong. You are there to serve WITH your fellow countrymen, not against them.

Anyone like Conan who would stereotype gays as being unable to serve is clearly unaware of the myriad of closeted gays in the military, and lets his fear get the better of him.

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