Don't Bogart that joint my friend...

Don't Bogart That Joint

Lyrics: Lawrence Wagner

Music: Elliot Ingber

The original verson (on the soundtrack of "Easy Rider") was by Fraternity Of Man. It was subsequently covered by Little Feat.

Chorus
Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me
Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me

Roll another one
Just like the other one
You've been holding on to it
And I sure will like a hit

[chorus]

Roll another one
Just like the other one
That one's burned to the end
Come on and be a real friend

[chorus]

Recordings

1969? Easy Rider (Soundtrack)

Don't Bogart that joint my friend...

Was the lyric from a popular song of the time, I can't remember who sang it, because I was Bogarting the joint at every occasion, so nothing was too precise in those days.

However with the benefit of modern technology, I've just Googled it and found the lyrics and set them into the right hand box I usually reserve for scripture quotes (and will probably use some for the same later)

From the first hit I took at age 15 years I loved smoking dope.

I was sensible about it, after all I was a working class boy from a good working class home and had some values to maintain, besides which nobody knew what it was about in the UK in those days, so I watched and waited, and whilst I was doing that toked a few smokes along the way.

Growing up interrupted my smoking habits a bit, as I started making money and such, but I managed to keep a mild relationship with the weed and it was ever present, though in smaller doses.

Getting rich as a Central London Estate Agent and property dealer kinda stopped the process for a while, as I replaced hash with amphetamines to keep me awake and wine, champagne and brandy to put me to sleep.

The reunion took place when I moved to Spain and found that Morocco was 8 kilometers away, something which others had noticed and which made the whole stable of hashish derived products easy to purchase.

In a way the sale of hashish was legalized in those days (1986) because the importation and sale was managed by the Guardia Civil and the Police, though not officially of course!

Coming to faith in 1991 put an immediate stop to my smoking habits, both weed and tobacco, and I was fine with that, for I was feeling highs better than ever experienced by the addition of the Holy Spirit into my life.

Unkind atheists (do they exist?) could say that I swapped one addiction for another, and they would be right, however the addiction I swapped hash for.... Christ.... changed my life for the better, rather than the worse.

Edit: May 2012

After I first published this article 'Stash' Wagner contacted me, and I can confirm that he is now doing great things with folk in the Philippines, none drug related!

Play while reading...

Well I intend to make a list of the reasons I would legalize the product, and a list based upon not my expected Christian response, for I can show you that there are no grounds for banning it scripturally, nor from any humanitarian social consciousness, not even as a reformed hippie will I argue the case, but from the simple logic of the situation.

People, large numbers of people, smoke the product daily, for long periods of time, and suffer no harm. Now I will balance that with the fact that some folk will suffer harm whilst smoking the product, but it's fairly well agreed that those people could have suffered harm somehow or another from anything they took when they should not be taking drugs at all, except maybe the chemical drugs recommended by the psychiatric doctor treating them.

The other factor is that they had been taking product of artificially enhanced strength, or that had been cut with harder drugs, with distinct psychotic risks attached to doing so, and in many ways legalization would solve that problem, but more of that later.

I would prefer 'Old Hippie 1968 vintage' myself!....(if I still smoked).... much safer and soooo mellow!

I term the 'product' as product because it has so many names and why make one of them more predominant than others.

So whether you know it as marijuana, hash, pot, dope, ganga, weed, blow, smoke or any other derivative, I'm calling it product, for that is what it is, a money making source of profit.

So what would the benefits be to make it legal?.....

Report and be killed

Benefit number one...

In no particular order, because who knows which would be the main benefit?

But number one in my book would be that the CIA and other intelligence services would need to find other sources of money for their covert operations, maybe even legal sources approved by government. (and maybe the illegal ones are also approved?)

During Vietnam it was well documented that the American Army was responsible for bringing the drugs trade back home with them, and that the main distributors were Air America, a CIA front.

Now personally I have no problem with financing dirty wars with dirty money.

I'd rather we did not do dirty wars, but if we are going to do them, we may as well use dirty money rather than clean. 

Those of you who know me as a Christian will need to get your heads around the fact that logic does have a place in my thinking.

If we were discussing this from a spiritual viewpoint, I know full well that the whole issue is already declared upon by the traditional church as taboo, and as such, if I had any position in any church, this hub could have me before the leadership being expelled from fellowship unless I recanted.

But fortunately I don't hold such a position, so I ONLY need to be right with God and Christ, not the leadership of my local synagogue.

Back to my reasoning....


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The government could gain official control over the product, ensuring that the quality and strength was controlled and taxes were collected on sales.

Product would need to be available in various strengths and formats to cater for established desires and trends.

All the major cigarette company's have has their trade names registered for years anyway, and in a matter of months would be geared to producing the amounts and grades required to supply the estimated 50% of Americans who use the product.

People would learn what their limits were and would match them accordingly, and I would guess most would limit their consumption to weekend usage, at least initially and until they felt comfortable with using it more frequently.

Users would slowly stop overusing the product, for like sex in marriage, ready availablity normally diminishes demand.

The illicit is always more attractive.

We (as a society) could start reducing our prison population, thereby saving cash and also stopping the criminalization and worse of so many young men, by their incarceration for small amounts of drugs possession.

Prosecution of those who still attempted to sell drugs illicitly would be simpler because tax laws are easier to apply than drug laws.


The criminal elements that currently run the drug industry would be unemployed, OK we know that would simply mean that they would find new ways to be criminal, for criminality is a way of life and even if you start in it from the 'desperation of your environmental circumstances', (sorry for sounding like your social worker) you soon grow to love the flexible hours and high rewards that you believe it will bring you.

But most criminals are totally unsuccessful in achieving their objectives, so if you want flexible hours and a high reward factor, and still be relatively safe from incarceration, become a career politician instead.

Drugs produce massive financial rewards, big enough to make anyone tempted to dabble in a little importation and distribution. The risks from the police and other anti drug organisations are actually relatively minimal, at least for those who run the operation properly and employ minions to do the risky bits.

Now a days the biggest danger is rival drug dealers, for the days of Howard Marks gentlemanly dealing in nothing but hash are long gone, and the current crop of dealers are a much harder bunch who kill for nothing and take pleasure in doing so.

I will confess that the ONLY reason I did not get involved in drug importation before I came to faith was the risk factor, and the knowledge that I would have needed to have enforcers around to deal with competition and such like.

God protected me even in my delinquency!


If you want to understand how we got to this stupid situation where young men are put into prison with hardened criminals to learn bad habits and be brutalized, you need to read Howard's book 'Mr Nice' which is a very good explanation about how a nice middle class boy from Wales came to become the biggest dealer of his time, without bad 'vibes' happening.

The drugs laws are stupid and make criminals out of people who do not deserve the punishment that they receive. I have a friend who was thrown in jail in the USA in the 60's for a joint in his pocket, and was brutalized and sodomized whilst there.

Is that the way to deal with what is less of a problem than alcohol is, and we know from experience that prohibition ONLY creates crime and criminals.

For our biblically minded readers, let me explain that prison is not biblical.

Now that may exasperate a few redneck believers who think 'all these long haired hippies and drug addicts need hanging', but accept a hard prison sentence as justified, but it's a fact.

Scripturally there are only three possible sentences that can be delivered upon a wrongdoer:

  1. Financial penalty with recompense to the offended party
  2. To serve out a sentence as a slave to cover the penalty with recompense if the culprit has no funds
  3. To be put to death. (for capital offenses)

So putting people in prison is actually an offence against God, which is another reason why we need to stop this nonsense.

From drug dealer/importer...
From drug dealer/importer...
...the cash needs laundering...
...the cash needs laundering...
...which makes even more folk guilty....
...which makes even more folk guilty....
... and causes whole banks to collapse when discovered.
... and causes whole banks to collapse when discovered.

So there are financial reasons to stop the illegality and profit as a society from the sale of a product that will not be stopped, and as such provides massive resources to drug barons and terrorists worldwide.

The drug industry makes billions of dollars profit, all of which is by default black money and needs an army of accountants and bankers to wash and launder, all of which is never taxed or used gainfully in society.

There are ethical reasons, for we all know that the drugs industry could not actually function unless the governments and officials and law enforcement agents and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all were not being bribes to turn the ye at the right moment.

So by legalizing it we may end up with some honest people policing the trade.

There is also the fact that our secret security services would be deprived of covert operation funds, unless they were approved to collect their black funds from white money taxes paid by the product users, once taxation was established.

Transparency is a fine thing and an essential for an honest society, for bad things can only happen in dark places (spiritually speaking) and all the hypocrisy that surrounds the drug industry is what causes the problems.

When you put a man on the border post who you pay peanuts to (comparatively speaking) and set him against folk who can pay him thousands of dollars, or kill his family, to persuade him to look away, you create darkness and guilt and the ideal situation to encourage evil to flourish, and that's the main reason I support legalization, to do away with the lies and deception, for God does not create chaos, nor does He create corruption, God is a God of order, and I would like that order to be restored.

For those who would say that using drugs is a sin, I would state that your position is indefensible in scripture, so no matter what your denomination may think, you cannot defend it against the word of God, and Gods word is definite.

Jesus had the following to say about things we consume:

Mark 7:14

When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them;

“Hear Me, everyone, and understand: There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”

When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable.

So He said to them;

“Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

And He said,

“What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

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Now you can argue with that all you like, but bear in mind, Jesus stated it twice, and the second time basically said to the disciples "Are you so thick that you can't understand" - so unless you can make NOT DEFILE into a statement that shows separation from God for the action, it's NOT A SIN and you cannot make it one just because your church does not agree with the liberty of Christ.

The only scripture that would possibly make it a sin is conditional;

1 Timothy 4 - 1:5

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The condition is:

If we can consume anything with thanksgiving it is acceptable to God for it has been sanctified.

So if you have reservations about using drugs, don't and if you cannot consume with thanksgiving, don't and if you believe it to be a sin, don't do it.

But don't corrupt the word of God to forbid others who have a peace with consuming things God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

If they are in error, then the Holy Spirit will correct them, if they refuse correction, then they will answer to God for their rebellion, which would have been their sin, not what they consumed, not that which went into their mouth, but that which came out of their mouth, a lie, a deception and a rebellion against God.

Now I hear voices shouting with rage "So are ALL drugs acceptable" - well in theory yes, but having said that ANYTHING which makes you incapable of serving God is not advisable IF you want to be used by God.

So if you are addicted to anything, caffeine, brownies, donuts, super sized portions or cocaine, you have a problem, in that something controls you, rather than you controlling it, and we are supposed to have liberty, so deal with those things.

Legalizing drugs, like diet control, is self regulating.... if someone cannot control their use, they may die from the effects of whatever they are consuming too much of.

But death is not a problem for a believer, or should not be.

Our society has made death a taboo subject. Science has spent billions on attempting to cheat death, yet they are powerless to do so, because God knows the date of our death before we were born, and nothing we do can change that.

We may get there with more discomfort than we needed to bear, but we will die at exactly the moment God decreed.

If you can receive and believe this, then you can stop relying on science or your denomination to tell you what to eat and drink, and move forward trusting God with your life, literally, and if not.... sobeit.

Romans 14:2-4

For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eatsonly vegetables.

Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.

Who are you to judge another’s servant?

To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

December 2011 update

When I fist published this, I missed one other reason why MaryJ should be legal, that being the fact that it has health benefits.

Take a look at the two videos below to explore those benefits and see how things are moving towards legalisation even in the short time since I first published this.

Mary J is a real threat to BigPharma, they know that once it is legalised, they will lose revenue, and BigPhama is all about PROFIT.

Hence they are trying to create a chemically synthesised product using the same THC components that God gave us for free, because patented medicines can be SOLD for top buck.

Problem is, when they synthesise cannabiods, the product they produce will not do the same thing, pain releif using cannabis is swift, with chemical products it takes much longer.

The simple fact is that people prefer natural cannabis to synthetic chemical compounds, because of price and efficiency.

So much for it being addictive... people use it less as they age.
So much for it being addictive... people use it less as they age.

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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Than G Ma, talking of bringing back memories, it's not too late to bring back some memory for Ma either, some nice cookies may jog her memory! :0) (mild of course)


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G-Ma Johnson 4 years ago from NW in the land of the Free

Wow...great hub and reminder I might add...:O) Hugs G-Ma


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Wesman, glad you commented, you see the same as I do, thanks.

I never had a fundy background, but did have a solid working class upbringing, my mum was horrified when I confessed up to smoking dope, but my father just sat quietly, later I realised that he had been in India and Burma during WW2, so no prizes for guessing that he probably had smoked himself.

John


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

Absolute agreement, Sir, and thank you for writing on the subject.

I could talk about this sort of thing for days; and surely marijuana is the "drug" that makes all drug laws appear as foolish as they are.

Of course when I start talking about decriminalization (as opposed to "legalization")...folks get all upset, and presume that I'd also like to see crack cocaine legalized.

I do know that I'm the type of person that would probably have never dabbled in any substances at all had I not come from a fundamentalist Christian home that strictly forbade...virtually everything, and from a society that profited from the illegality and simultaneous glamorization of such "forbidden fruit."

Eliminating the forbidden aspect of the fruits....and their all just more apples or oranges for some.

I also appreciate that you pointed the finger at the CIA - it's amazing to me that people such as my parents can just sit in front of their televisions, and believe only what is told them from the corporate talking harlot on the news....and that their tax dollars aren't being spent on all manner of evil both at home and abroad by ....terrorist intelligence services.

I'm sure legalization or decriminalization of sorcery, or all manner of pharmacology will be in the works for the...last manifestation of Babel - but in the meantime, we here in America have the world's highest prison population, and folks like Dick Cheney are making profits from the "need" for more private prisons to be built.

So they just pass more stupid laws so that the wealthy can lock up more poor drug users...and war mongers and slave masters can get richer.

It disgusts me to no end - bombing children from remote controlled planes in Pakistan...locking up poor drug users for profits....and Americans are watching football.


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Posted this to my list again, because two years ago I had far fewer readers, so some will have never found this article.

Please leave a comment if you read this far!

John


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aguasilver 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Thanks heavenbound5511, I am not a smoker myself anylonger, but when I worked with the homeless guys in Spain, it was always around and sometimes formed a bridge between suspicion and trust. Now I am in Malaysia, where drugs are strictly taboo and they hang smugglers, so it's never around! - we obey the laws that stand.... but equally it is illegal to preach Christ to a Muslim here, punishable by jail. So the law is not ALWAYS correct, and where it contravenes Gods rules, it is in error, whether it be over marijuana usage or evangelical preaching.


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heavenbound5511 5 years ago from Under the shadow of the Almighty God!

Interesting page. My friend has talked to me about this many times.

As long as we are bringing glory to God and not making anyone stumble, including ourselves there's nothing wrong with marijuana usage.

Also knowing that there are medical uses for it too. There are different types of marijuana and different health benefits for ill people.

_In all things be obedient to the lead of the Holy Spirit.

"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.> 1 Cor 6:12

Thanks John.

God bless you.


Pat 6 years ago

Thank goodness I do not need a prescription to buy a bottle of pinot noir, a box of herb tea or vitamin D. The medicalization of pot is the first step to medicalizing food supplements and all kinds of wellness nutrition. Colorado, once a state with the most healthy people now claims growing numbers with various ailments requiring the "medicine" and a new market of script docs and green pharmacies. The new job market is certainly a plus, but there is something creepy about this gamey business...certified growers playing doctor to their "patients." There is an elightening cover story, The United States of Amerijuana in the 11/22/10 issue of TIME magazine. Nice HUB Page!

Legalize it.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi Lawrence, I am honoured you dropped by, you (or anybody) can contact me via HubPages, but in any case my email is:

aguasilver@gmail.com

and I welcome anybody to write!

I used to have my email in my profile, but all I got were penile extension offers and invites to save African dictators daughters from their financial plights!

If I had accepted the latter offers, I probably would not need the former!


Lawrence Wagner 6 years ago

Thank you for a most insightful article, which all started out as an answer to the question, "Who wrote Don't Bogart That Joint" and yes, I am the same Lawrence Wagner who wrote that tune.

I wish you had posted an email address, for there is much more I would have liked to share with you. However, you can find me on Face Book if you like.

Sincerely,

Lawrence Stash Wagner


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Benjimester 6 years ago from San Diego, California

That's a good definition of wisdom. I agree. The ancient Greeks used to say "Know Thyself." Knowing your purpose in the grand scheme and what God created you to do, that's knowledge that I could use more and more of.


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BDazzler 6 years ago from Gulf Coast, USA

One of the problems I have with Christians is one CS Lewis pointed out as a device of hell in "The Screwtape Letters"... we tie our political beliefs to our Christianity. Here are my beliefs:

1. Illegal Pot has more problems than benefits for society.

2. Smoking pot is probably not a good thing, but it's not necessarily a "sin" (Under grace, all things are lawful, but not all things are helpful)

3. Just because something's legal doesn't make it right. (i.e. Abortion)

4. Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong (i.e. Prayer in public schools)

5. Jesus was a proponent of separation of church and state (render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and to God what is God's)

Therefore, I don't believe that the question of legal or illegal MJ is a Christian question. For me, it would be wrong, but I should not make that a general statement for either the church or the government.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

There is another verse which reads:

1 Cor 29-31

Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

...and if you think that anything you do is bad for you, or would separate you from communion with God, then do not partake!

We all have different courses and walks, and (for instance) you hubs minister in the health arena, providing information to those who need it.

Wisdom is knowing what God has decreed for you.

Thanks for reading!

John

BTW, words have power, if you say "I'd probably get addicted if I tried pot" then you empower the spirit of addiction!


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Benjimester 6 years ago from San Diego, California

I myself haven't ever tried the product. Bringing drug cartels and others in the business to unemployment is key, like you said. The scriptures you mentioned were very interesting. I've thought about the first passage before in regards to pot and other substances. The other verse that I line that up with is what Paul said "Everything is permissible for more but not everything is beneficial." I agree with you about the liberty that comes with Christ. But I like to know what's going to be beneficial for me. I'd probably get addicted if I tried pot :)


PAMITCHRUS 6 years ago

Hi ya John, thanks and your welcome, and I had to google the word icthus, didn't even know what it meant.. So that's what ya call those fish tagging rides on cars !!! Cool...

Did you gain any insight concerning Judas per reply I sent.. ?? Great hub by the way... :0)..


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi PAMITCHRUS, good to see you around, hope we will see more of you! are you punning Icthus with your last part of the name?

Thanks for the comment.

John


PAMITCHRUS 6 years ago

Greetings to all,

and indeed the wisdom of man is foolishness with God.. Put the whole world on only one drug.. take your pick.. be it alcohol, cocaine, speed, name it.. now picture the world on that drug.. now picture the whole world smoking pot.. on which would we fare the best ???

Blessed be the man who does not condemn himself for that thing which he allows.. and again all things are lawful for me but not all things are good for me.. :0)..

When the prince of the power of the air had his way back in the 30's or 40's (a great mystery here) since then those things which the chemist have plucked outta thin air,(pun indended, think adversay here ) those drugs have wrecked us as a nation and as a people.. if only our youth had to run a gauntlet consisting only of pot !!! Nowadays the wicked one has had his chemists hard at work, making things from thin air, and my how we have fallen !! Pills, Pills , we must have our pills !!! Shelah... What's best for an upset stomach ?? :0).. Take some often Timothy says Paul..:0)..


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Thanks Chris, and I agree with your comments.... the funny thing is, just possibly if we 'writers' here on hubpages highlight this sort of stupidity, linked with corruption (there are some very bad people in government also!) we may eventually see a change of heart in the public opinion.

I see that the 'church' in general object to mary j on 'principal' more than scriptural reasons.

A church that will get every child wearing WWJD wrist bands is actually less interested in what He would do in matters that embarrass them, or which they think they need to ban or call sinful, yet have no scripture to warrant such a position.

Anyhow, rant over, thanks for coming!


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chrismarva 6 years ago

This topic is touchy one and when I wrote my little poem about drugs I was worried that I would offend someone, but the truth is there are so many with a closed mind on this subject, that if you speak at all those people get fired up.

I believe it is the war on drugs in the United States that as kept marijuana from being legalized in Canada. Time and time again in the news up here there have been stories that the U.S. government will close the boarder if we do not crack down on the pot growers. In the proses turning gardeners into prisoners. Now without a drought there are some enterprises that are run by very bad men, and the police and government would have you believe that this is the norm, but there very bad men everywhere. Growing pot is no different then having a still in your shed.

You are a fine writer and I envy your talent for detail in a method that is informative and entertaining.

Your friend in Canada, Chris


Nicks 6 years ago

One thing seems for sure - and that is that the 'war on drugs' conducted over the past thirty years seems to have failed. One way or another, a better way of controlling drug use needs to be employed even if it is through education or legalisation.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

cheaptrick, bearclaw and PB,

Thanks for the responses and (PB) for information I was unaware of.

As I said in an earlier comment decriminalization would be a good first step, but ultimately it needs legalization and to be brought to at least the same legality as alcohol, which is a far worse drug.

There is no doubt in my mind either that had it not been for my drug usage in my younger days, I would have been more violent and probably been a career criminal.

It's a herb, it grows naturally and God gave it to us....

I need no more argument than that, I mean you need do nothing extra to make it usable as a drug, pick it, dry it, use it.

All our other drugs, coffee, tea,beer,wine,spirits and the whole plethora of BigPharma chemical drugs have to be processed, cannabis only needs to be picked and used.

I've used it in cooking as well!


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PB_Smith 6 years ago from Southern California

bearclawmedia it falls under the doctor patient confidentiality. Such information in the U.S. is protected under the The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) Privacy Rule.

As a former manager for a retail drug store I'll tell you this is taken very seriously. People lose their jobs and get sued for breeching the confidentiality. It was enacted to prevent discrimination by employers against persons with a positive HIV status among other medical ailments. It is also to help protect info in the electronic age we live in.

Also by law if an employee is drug tested at work for whatever reason and they test positive for marijuana the MRO (medical review officer) conducts an interview to determine if it is medically prescribed. If they are prescribed marijuana by a certified doctor than the test facilities has to by law return a negative test result to the employer.


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bearclawmedia 6 years ago from Mining Planet Earth

Wow, good hub well researched and it makes sense. This may scare the hell out of some people because it does make so much sense. It is sad to see that in America you can now get weed from local shops with prescription from your doctor and the registration of your name. This means you have to tell an employer that you smoke dope. This in my view marginalises pot smokers into insignificance. This plan has to be bad. registered drug users. Cant drive, cant get a job, can not enter university. This has got to be bad. Oh I already said that. Don't have the answers.


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cheaptrick 6 years ago from the bridge of sighs

Hi Agua.Where do I start...

First let me say Fifty cal is right about using it in Nam but it wasn't effective enough for me,I moved on to Smack.

Pot kept me Out of prison.As I grew up I became colder and colder giving up my emotions and sense of right and wrong. By the time I came of age I was on the verge of becoming a serial killer without Feelings or regrets.

One night my best friend called me saying he had some pot and we should try it.I rattled his cage about smoking dope but he was my best find so I did it.

Excuse my language but all the sh#t melted away and I became human again.I knew then that pot would serve me the rest of my life.

Anything can be abused,Anything,so the argument about it being good or bad is Irrelevant.

the only question one must answer is

Is it worth the trade off I must make?

For me it is.

hope this revelation doesn't drive you away as a friend.

I value that.

...peace...


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

donotfear, I can see where you come from, I had a friend whose brother was the most aggressive angry lout you could find, he used to go out just to fight anybody he could, and he hurt people badly, then one day some other 'friends' who ran a commune, turned him onto hash, and hey presto, he turned as sweet as a chestnut and stopped his aggression...full stop.

I would say that decriminalization as you suggest, with prescription usage, would be a first good step, but would NOT do away with he evils of the drug trade, or the persecution of young men who got caught with illegal stash, which are the main reasons I support legality.

50C... once again on the head, I have driven stoned and I've driven drunk (to my shame) and the difference is simple, stoned I drive slowly with great care and attention, it's difficult to have accidents when you are creeping along. Drunk I drive fast and aggressive, 'cos I'm immortal and bulletproof.... right.... Yeah!


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donotfear 6 years ago from The Boondocks

Wow Aquasilver, you're a brave soul! Whoa! I must say I agree with most of what you say here. As Christians, we know that some things are harmful to our bodies if taken in excess. Food, drink, etc. The list goes on. Now, what about pot? Okay, here's my take. I do NOT think it should be legalized, however!....Restrictions should be lifted on the substance to make it more readily available to folks who need it for appetite stimulation, sleep & calming effects. I don't mean manufacture more of the synthetic THC (Marinol) I'm speaking of the REAL stuff, not in smoke form, though, which is harmful. My mother took Marinol before she died. She had cancer (Multiple Myeloma). She asked us everyday, "Is it time for my marijuana pill?" She loved it! It helped her sleep. But she was on the synthetic form. How much better would it have been for her if we could have made her some good brownies or a Timmy cracker with the NATURAL form? I've also seen the benefit of marijuana on some mentally ill clients. A schizo-affective person acted normal when he was high...normal. It seemed to level his thought process. I wouldn't recommend it for ALL mentally ill, as it enhances some schizophrenic symptoms, but on some, I've seen the benefits with my own eyes. My point is this: yes, it should be more widely used. No, I don't think it needs to be over the counter, but prescription only. Yes, lift the legal restrictions & penalities for this mild drug, but don't make totally legal. So there you have my opinion.


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50 Caliber 6 years ago from Arizona

Hi John,

another hub close to my past and occasional present, in that I burned much Gungea in my past and partook of some things like hash and opium smoking as well as heroin. Funny you include the CIA as in Nam they knew the paydays of the troops and would appear to collect as much money as they could from the troops. I found a great release in very trying times from smoking hash and opium. I still own a sterling silver pipe hand crafted in Bangkok especially for opium and it worked well for hash as well. Going into a fire fight stoned made the task easier and returning from a particularly horrible mission it gave one much needed rest and separation from things you just witnessed or had to do. Now days the military drug tests and I think that they deprive moments of peace from our young men having to view the atrocities of war.

I would much rather meet head on a driver stoned on pot than one drunk and swerving all about the road. It would be a great feat if the governments would lighten up and legalize several of the drugs, they could get more taxes and cut the crime rate and empty the prison population saving money again. As you have stated. I personally would like to be able to by hash and opium for an occasional smoke and just lay up in the shade and contemplate life in full relaxation. For now I have peyote and mescaline which are a natural occurrence in the desert and as a religious item is exempt to certain Indian churches on the reservations. I have found it on my walk abouts and have cared for the cacti on which it flourishes. With conservative use it is quite calming while taking your mind to a level of truth and acceptance.

Great hub.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi PB... my apologies, and thank you for clearing up my confusion, and I obviously agree with you! as my hubs show (I hope)

Thanks again...

John


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PB_Smith 6 years ago from Southern California

Maybe you misunderstood me. I mean that all too often people are kept from Christ because they are told that in order to be saved THEY need to change their lives. In reality we are not able to make the type of changes God wants. Sure we can change our outward behavior and appearances, but inside still be as bad as ever. God brings about change from the inside out. To many people are driven away by the wrong notion that the changes have to be made from the outside in.

God is much more concerned with the inward person than the outward person.

A true believer will change their behavior and life styles just as an apple tree if nurtured and watered can't do anything but eventually bear fruit.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi wyanjen, thanks for the comment, and remember I used to be a fundamental Humanist, and I use the concepts because they make sense, the references to God are because I am also a Christian, and as such my arguments need to stack up according to scripture, for MY purposes.

Injustice and ignorance are universal problems and the fac that we may be on differing sides of the fence over God and Christ does not stop our unity on an issue that is dear to my heart.

Not because I want, as a Christian, to smoke dope, I don't need dope anymore, but I do need a society that treats it's people fairly and with real justice, and I will admit that the current legislation is probably tainted with hypocritical right wing Christian double speak that emanated from the pulpit and went straight into legislation via the judges who were parishioners...

I hate probationers, because my Christ saves and sets free, He does not hold people to ransom over whether they are saved or not, and make them await their last breath before they know, but unfortunately many of the people making the laws in the early 1930s were the same bible thumping hell and damnation merchants that cause so many folk to turn from Christ, when their real dislike was traditional establishment religion.

Anyhow, as an atheist you don't want to hear about that!

Thank you for being big enough to show your support, it probably means that I will get a lot of flak from my Christian audience!

Hi PB_Smith, HO HO! - actually I think you do probably need to stop the whoring around to get a good relationship with God, but having said that I had a mistress when I first came to faith, and God was patient with me until one day I knew He was more important that afternoon delight!

I can only speak about the God I know, and having decided at the start to believe the bible as truth, it made sense to claim the promises and be sure of the NO NO's in the religion I had chosen as my own.

I know full well that my take on Christianity is very different from most believers, but then most believers have not been prepared to believe what the bible tells us,in preference to what they are taught at Sunday School or Bible classes.

I read, therefore I am! and God allows me to understand.

I don't think we should drive people away, and I am an example of the fact that with patience God can get a man to stop doing all the wrong things. I ain't perfect by a long chalk, but I have stopped doing all the things that I once did, and with joy have renounced them and the captivity they held me in.

Again, thanks for reading...

John


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PB_Smith 6 years ago from Southern California

Nice perspective on the topic. Legalizing it makes logical sense any way you look at it from an honest, unbiased viewpoint.

As far as the criminal element may I paraphrase former president Jimmy Carter when asked about de-criminalizing pot; "It makes no sense that the punishment does more damage than the crime."

He was very close to signing into law federal de-criminalization in 1976.

I also like that you understand that God doesn't need a person to change to come to a knowledge of Him. God is more than capable of eliciting any changes needed. Unfortunately the idiots who say you have to stop drinking, smoking and whoring around to be a Christian drive more people away from it than to it.


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wyanjen 6 years ago from Wyandotte Michigan

Hello aguasilver.

You clearly put a lot of work into this hub.

As an atheist, I cannot speak to your justification by scripture. I would be out of place to do so.

I've been involved in this debate for quite a long time. I must say that you included every argument that I have used in support of legalization.

You may or may not realize it, but you are also justifying this stance by using fundamental Humanist concepts. In particular, you state "...make criminals out of people who do not deserve the punishment that they receive."

This is by far the most destructive result of the current drug laws. It creates a cycle of crime and violence, and destroys entire families and communities. It is the key issue in my mind.

Thank you for this well researched and plainly spoken hub. I wish you success with it.

:-)

Jen

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