Election 2008, Part 2 of 8: A Precipice Of...

After tonight's Second Presidential debate slug-fest...

  • McCain, by a knock out.
  • Obama, by a knock out.
  • Both of them suck; we should start with new candidates.
  • I still can't make up my mind, both have some great points.
  • I want Nader, or one of the other folks.
  • I hope there's another VP debate soon!
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  Obama, poised and composed came out swinging with a quiet reserve and evident command of current political circumstances and geo-political facts.
Obama, poised and composed came out swinging with a quiet reserve and evident command of current political circumstances and geo-political facts.
As the debate progressed, republican candidate John McCain's promises of “a plan to fix the United States’ problems” became hollow words lacking of basic facts, like a handsome skin missing its supporting skeleton to provide it definition.
As the debate progressed, republican candidate John McCain's promises of “a plan to fix the United States’ problems” became hollow words lacking of basic facts, like a handsome skin missing its supporting skeleton to provide it definition.

Follow ELECTION 2008 through the journalistic musings of social commentator R. Martin Basso, moderate conservative.


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Basso Archive: Election 2008


Tonight, Senator Barack Obama, the freshman senator from Abraham Lincoln's home state of Illinois, effectively, logically, methodically and unemotionally, if not even unapologetically, delivered upon his promise to rise above his much criticized ‘lack of experience' and delivered a remarkable fact-based knock out punch in his quest for The White House.

Last time, the two candidate's debate was polite and jovial and ethereal in its redundancy. Tonight's somber affair addressed more topical issues that were important and that mattered to all Americans.

Obama, poised and composed came out swinging with a quiet reserve and an evident command of current/political circumstances and geo-political facts. The Illinois' humble reserve was his greatest strength tonight.

When it became evident that, approaching the debate's one hour mark, McCain had only hollow promises of a "better America to come" under his proposed stewardship of these United States, McCain's over-confidence and unyielding talking-head policy parroting a rather 'Bushian' agenda, became his Achilles' heel.

Obama knew all too well, and fully comprehended, the importance of strength in tonight's debate, and he delivered. Obama, suddenly strategy-savvy, clearly capitalizing on a combination of candidate John McCain's lowered guard and over-confidence in the light of his Vice Presidential partner Sarah Palin's recent hand's-down debate victory over seasoned Senator Joseph Biden.

Moderator Tom Browkaw's opening salvo set the tone for the night: "The world has changed a great deal, and not for the better."

In immediate response, each of the two Presidential hopefuls commented poignantly upon their clear and apparent differences and outlooks to this one basic fact.

Republican John McCain expressed that he "has a plan to fix the United States' problems beginning with an Energy Independence vision." A strong and compelling opening statement, but with little other than that, as the remainder of the evening's debate would demonstrate, there was little else to substantiate his vision's claim. The promises and hollow words lacked basic facts, like a handsome skin missing a supporting skeleton to provide it definition.

Democrat Barack Obama responded to Brokaw's left hook by chanting his own equally strong opening debate mantra: "This is the worst financial crisis since The Great Depression and a ‘final verdict' of the failed financial policies of the last eight years."

"Holy God," I thought to myself while listening to the young Senator's opening diatribe. "You'd better be able to fill those trousers with some substance, Barack. THAT was one hell of an accusation."

It was the beginning of tonight's debate. By its conclusion, Obama would not only use a savvy collection of facts and compelling journalistic elements to construct his magnificent political opus, but would leave the heroic and decorated John McCain reeling from the barrage of powerhouse verbal knock outs.

I naturally tend to gravitate towards the conservative side of politics, particularly since I lived a horror show childhood at the hands of extremely liberal parents (reference my JILTED SUPERSTAR Hubpages.com 21 part mini-series), so I went into this debate a bit dubious.

After tonight's display, I am beyond impressed with Barack Obama's performance, as well as genuinely embarrassed by John McCain's.

Tennessee's Belmont University played host the anticipated ‘Town Hall' format Obama/McCain second round sparring debate. Although filled with a several poignant political observations, there was a noticeable absence of the effective lighthearted humor peppered throughout the two Presidential candidate's first debate two weeks ago.

Because each candidate understood the gravity of the debate, as well as the spectacular opportunity that each had to establish a clear lead in the race to the Nation's highest elected position, tonight's events were clearly more subdued.

Tonight there would be very limited room for levity, or elaboration, as was evident in moderator Tom Brokaw's agitation. Tonight's sparring match raised the proverbial political limbo bar: no there would be very few jokes, unlike the nail-biter photo finish of last week's Vice Presidential saber rattling debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin.

With the 2008 Presidential election a month away, tonight, history sat on the precipice of change for ninety minutes. The stewards of this impending change, Presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama, were poised to deliver their convincing arguments to an American audience, as well as a transfixed global society.

Although moderator Tom Brokaw probably should have selected someone who wasn't potentially intoxicated to ask Town Hall question #3 during tonight's second debate of the historic 2008 Presidential election year, local resident Teresa Finch of Nashville, Tennessee put it to them plainly, in plain speak; essentially that why should either candidate or either candidate's party be trusted, particularly when "both parties got America into its current mess in the first place?"

Poignant, to say the least.

And with that blunt, albeit glaring reality, the second of 2008's Presidential debates was, after a few wandering, aimless drafting's during the initial introductory warm-up minutes of the evening, finally off to a sprinter's start.

Democratic candidate Barack Obama, realizing that his Presidential campaign's political gate-keepers had clearly dropped the ball in underestimating rival party's Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin in her overwhelming stomping of political powerhouse Joe Biden six days ago, was not about to permit that blunder to go un-avenged.

Obama knew the price that his campaign stood to pay if he failed to deliver a compelling and attainable portrait of leadership and stuck to the one topic to which seasoned rival and Republican candidate John McCain seemed allergic: facts and specifics.

When asked questions McCain seems competent in reciting canned "I am a maverick" and "believe me when I say to you that I can do this" type of statements.

For tonight's debate, vague generalities and nebulous what-if's seemed to be two of John McCain's strongest running promises and political strategies for leading America out of the quagmire that the last several years of ineffective management that has come to reduce The United States of America, globally, to that big bad cowboy bully north of Mexico and south of Canada.

Conversely, Barack Obama gave pointed specifics and intelligent strategies for how to fix these beleaguered United States of America, with non-threatening and wholly inclusive world awareness.

It was a stark contrast and poignant display. In as much, a new cavalier presented a compelling argument in favor of commanding and justifying our nation's need for change.

Sometimes in order to squarely or decisively address change, the course as well as the method by which change is to be accomplished must be believable.

Tonight's debate belonged squarely and decisively to Senator Barack Obama.

And tonight, I was introduced to the precipice of change.

A change we can believe in...


© 2008 - R. MARTIN BASSO & 3 Doves Media

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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

RIC RAVADO-

Hi Ric;

You make some good points. My ex-wife and I livedin UK for 3 years, and we had full coverage to health care at the time through my (then) U.S. overseas government job. We never had to use NHS but our British neighbors obviously did and they were rather pleased with it I seem to recall, and that was over, what, 11 years ago or so. You DO make some good points, and provide some nice insight and lessons learned. Thank you again, sir. I always appreciate your input.

Cheers and all.

Ried


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Rik Ravado 8 years ago from England

Reid, some great insights here into current US politics.

On the healthcare issue, I have always lived in the UK and our National Health Service (NHS) is not without its problems but I wouldn't ever want to move to a US type system.  The NHS has improved a lot in recent years.  It is far more privatised with commercial providers providing efficient services via public funding.

A good example is my local Doctors Surgery with a mixed team of doctors, nurses, physios etc.  They offer a wide range of services (free) locally including minor operations and because they are successful have expanded rapidly and are able to access more funds.  It is possible to offer good, free public healthcare efficiently without resorting to 'socialism' and nationalisation of healthcare.  

I believe there is a great opportunity to learn from Europe and adopt the best model of free or subsidised healthcare to suit your situation.  We lived for 6 months in the US and handing over cash every time we or our children visited the doctor is not good.  The number of American's who can't get reasonable health care, even with health insurance, is quite shocking. 

 


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi Laurie Ann;

I'm your 'hero' ! lol... I just got over being my ex-wife's disappointment!

Hey, thank you for the kind personal words of acclaim. Now, on to business...

you make some really interesting observations about the universta healthcare issue. I am really starting to lean in that direction of being in full favor of it. I think I say on the fence long enough and now it is time to go ahead and take a side. Thank you for your respourceful ness and for getting thisinteresting informtion to me. Hero...HA!

Reid


Laurie Ann 8 years ago

Hello Sir Basso,

I would like to add my two cents about healthcare. I am an American living in Brazil, for the last five years. I too lived in the Uk for three years. I used the UK healthcare system about four times with one trip to an ER. It was not that bad at all, except the education of the doctors seemed to be really lacking.

However, here in Brazil, it is a lot better. The UK is set up so even if you have insurance you have to go to your GP to be approved to see your insurance doctors. I felt that was a waste of time and money.

In Brazil there are three levels. First, 100% social, no money, just go and you will be taken care of. 2nd is part social and part insurance. You pay a very cheap rate per month and have seperate doctors, the government pays the difference. Next is 100% insurance. This you can buy or most companies provide it for employees.

All systems will have bugs and flaws. But at least here in Brazil I never have to worry about being sick and not having healthcare. I have used all three services and am very pleased. If Brazil can afford it, the USA can too. It is a shame that we are the richest country in the world and yet we dont take care of our own.

ps. Sir Basso is my hero.... :O)


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

2SHAY:

Wow; what a resourceful insight you provide. I am very inpressed with your ideology.

I guess you are right... It really does come down to voting for the "lesser of 2 evils" in this election. Sometimes, more frequently than not, it is harder to tell who is the worst of the two, I suppose.

Lol.


2Shay 8 years ago

Insanity defined is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Voting either Democrat or Republican is a vote for more of the same insanity that got us to where we are today. Some will vote for either Obama or McCain thinking they're voting for the lesser of two evils but voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Both Obama and McCain voted to pass the $700 billion Wall Street bail out on the backs of tax payers and the stock market tanked anyway. We need to get away from the mindset that there are only two parties to vote for. Personally, I'm throwing my support behind Chuck Baldwin of The Constitution Party because I'm totally fed up with Democans and Republicrats.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

2SHAY-

I did not approve your comment because you included a link to an external website.  If you would like your input on my articles, feel free to resubmit, but without any external website links whatsoever... You made a fantastic point, in my opinion and by the way.

Reid


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

CLARITY-

Well, history books forged my knowledge of Roosevelt. I'm 41 and the Roosevelt era was, what 60 - 80 years bck. Reagan was more recent for me personally, so I can use history as well as personal experience and observation to gauge the Reagan years an dcontributions.

I hear your words about 'the sweetness' of Clinton's financial dynasty. Truth is that there are always cause and effect politics and economics going on.

In other words... How much did Clinton actually 'DO' and how much did he 'INHERIT' from administrations that preceded him? I personally feel that Clinton's success was about 70% his doing and 30% global positioning, market change, previous administrations setting him up for success, and a collection of other factors. Remember that under Clinton, the personal computer and the dot-com era began its 'boom'. After Clinton left and the mess that is now BUSH II came into office, the markets and the technology landscape was already beginning its deflation, so BUSH II actually inherited the impending Dot Com Crash of the early 2000's. It was just a period of change, peppered with political overlap between CLINTON and BUSH II.

I agree with you in that I do not personally want, or professionally envision America being able to withstand another 4 years of national mismanagement. This is to say nothing other than the policies of the last 7 or 8 years, coupled with some negative factors at the onset that BUSH II inherited at the changing of the guard, will be fixed by either OBAMA or McCAIN, only that change away from what got us into this mess in the first place is needed drastically.

As it currently stands, McCAIN, war hero and all, unfortunately represents too much of what led America to this mess and not enough of how we can be delivered to change.

And, yes, read my other article on ELECTION 2008 and you'll note how genuinely impressed I am with Joe BIDEN as well.


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clarity 8 years ago from Roslindale, MA

Reid, I don't know the Roosevelt and Reagan years, I' m a bit young to know what it was like.  while I am living in this time period, I just want change so badly. When Clinton was president, I knew what financial sweetness was like. Now I feel pain whenever I go shopping, grocery shopping, putting gas in my car. The disaster that we faced under the republican make me scream every night before going to bed.

I have a big problem with the McCain ticket, I just don't think it is strong at all. We haven't had much time to know about Gov. Palin. God forbit anything happen to McCain, Can sarah Palin be commander in chief.  Even the republican don't even think she can do the job. If I'm not mistaken all these month on the campaign trail, I kept hearing that Obama was too young and inexperienced. Palin is exactly that and much younger than Obama. This is where I feel that McCain ticket is a joke. I don't believe he is taking the position to be commander in chief seriously. And every time I see a picture of McCain and Pres. Bush together, I fear we may have the same old politics the next four years.

Joe Biden is the strongest out of all  them, that's my opinion. I feel that Obama-Bidden ticket is very strong. Bidden is very presidential, he looks the part, talk the part. Obama heart is where the middle class people are. Common sense is somewhat important to me, if you used your brain you will make great choices. I think Obama has common sense. What more can you ask for. It is better than  McCain-Palin ticket. If Gov. Palin was anything like Hillary Clinton, then I would say hell yeah.

As far I am concerned right now, I just don't want to be in a hot mess the next four years.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

CLARITY...

Apropos name, my dear.

Thank you for your insightful words of wisdom. Yes, CHANGE is needed in this country at this particular junction. I agree with you in that. Will it be Obama? McCain? Unknown. But to survive, we need change to occur. As a purely speculative observer, I see true change on the horizon if (and this is BIG if) IF Obama can deliver onhis rhetoric. I am duly wary of both whom are equally ridiculous to me, as candidates. But, as an American, these two nitwits are THE two nitwits chosen from which primarily we are to chose. Therefore, I cannot languish over who is'better' or who is 'worse'. I must not confront that these are my choices. As such, dissect them accordingly and put forth a compelling argument in support of who is least likely to (1) fail in their promise(s) and, (2) lie to the voters. As I see it, they are equally ridiculous to me. However, McCain, rallying behind empty promises and "trust me's" is not at all presenting a compelling argument to sway me to support ANOTHER 4 years of what I call 'DISMALISM' (or, in lay speak '4 more year of the Bushian melodrama.)

McCain, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Obama, Kennedy..... Doesn't matter.

None willever be the next Roosevelt, not the next Reagan.

I guess the soojner we, and specifically I, accept that, the faster CHANGE will be inspired to occur in THESE United States of America.

Thank you, CLARITY, for inspiring me to write this response.

Respectfully,

R. Martin Basso... Please call me 'Reid'.


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clarity 8 years ago from Roslindale, MA

Well Joe, Keep in mind this is politics, whether we want to have them or not, we need to choose a leader for our goverment. That's is just the way it work all across the globe. Now Mr. Basso great job on the article. I also want to point out on the the fact that we need some desperate change right here in the United State starting with our economy. Again whether we like it or not, it is goverment control. We have to be smart and putting the best common sense man forward to do the job well for the next 4 years.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi Joe;

I am a little confused by you comment. If you actually took time to read through the comments in this article, you would see that I am clearly neutral and detached. You ignorance is a 'talking head' opinionated as either McCain or Obama and ridiculous unto itself. People like you should take up masturbation for a hobbie to help calm your nerves.


Joe 8 years ago

Put the Crack Pipe down!!!!!! Both these guys are full of themselves....Only a person that wanted thew government to take care of them would vote for Obama...and only a person standing just to the right of him would want McCain!


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

GENE:

Well now the cat is out of the bag. I too was saddened that the Ron Paul candidacy did not receive further attention. I was disappointed that he faded so quickly with such an interesting message.

Good call Gene...


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

ASHOK;Thank you for stopping by. Yes, there is a choice. Thankfully, we still have the value of input and of having our opinion heard.

Reid


Gene 8 years ago

I believe the Republicans missed the boat with Ron Paul The media

censored him left and right but he still had a powerful following

of grass root Americans. He wasn't trashing anyone just comming up

with ways to get us back on track. Like recinding Nafta giving us

jobs back that Clinton signed away. Strictly following the Constitution

not trying to change it. Many good ideas people didn't listen to.

I believe he had a better chance even with the media censoring him.


Ashok 8 years ago

there is a choice ,


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

BizzyMuse-

Hi there... Thank you for being present with me and for inspiring me to address and reply to your input.  It means a great deal to me.

Thank you.

I enjoyed your visual imagery...

the KoolAid reference brought back immediate memories of me and my mother living in a motel at the time when the Jim Jones Guyanna koolaid murders occurred.  I had misplace that memory in the pseudo-reality of what my pubescent-turned-adult reality has since became, so for your inspiring my recollections I say THANK YOU!. 

I am atremendous 'fan' of not only history, but of being inspire to remember one's personal and individual 'past'.  Again, thank yuou for that......

I feel compelled to continue with my commentary and 'work' and when I read my responses, I am aware of being present with my readers and their own personal feelings on the subject matter at hand. 

The fact that you would step out and risk so much to share means much to me.

Don't worry... I'll keep your secret identity 'safe'.  But, being that you are apparantly from 'Southern California' and in as much, so is my wife (who grew up in and is INTIMATELY familiar with the L.A./Hollywood scene), I have a very heavy suspicion that I know who you 'really' are and that yours is a name that is known to many.

Your secret's safe, if you are who I suspect you are in the meat grinder that is Hollywood....

Respectfully,

R. Martin Basso

(p.s. - nice job on your last film.  I saw it, though my wife did not.)


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BizzyMuse 8 years ago from Southern California

This is a well written and thought provoking piece (as evidenced by the resulting commentary). Your opinion is relatable to me, in that I don't drink the koolaid of a single party, but form my opinions based on what the issue is. I suppose that is due to having an independent streak about most things in life. When it comes to the debates, I prefer meat and potatoes to talking point appetizers, and as as such was left feeling a bit hungry. 90 minutes of my life is much better spent reading informative hubs and responses, than what I have gained from any of the televised debates thus far. All this to say - thank you for sharing your opinions.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

nwunderlich -

Hi and thank you for dreopping by. I appreciate your input.

Yes! It is all dire! I am so tired of being made to feel like I 'owe' someone something. I was homeless as a child, so I can relate often to the overall 'plight' but when people abuse the system and sit back and EXPECT the government to fix their laziness, or at least address it, and in doing so make me feel guilty for having anything, I get pissed off. Income redistribution? Forget it. Just because someone is a flipping lazy-ass, or in this country illegally to begin with (i.e. California's crisis), I am in no way obligated to work had so that they might benefit. I am not at all wealthy. My wife and I at any given time are a house payment away from forclosure. But this is the reality of many left-leaning individuals and it sickens me. I should go without so that they may have what I sacrifice for them? Fuck them.


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nwunderlich 8 years ago from Sacramento

This whole crisis sucks - but the response isn't for the government to go in and bail everyone out. The result should be that the market takes care of itself. You cannot be capitalist when we are doing good, and socialist when we are not.

As one of those who likes to bring attention to things - Obama wants to raise taxes on those who make over $200,000 (single and $250,000 married). He says those people can afford it. Why should they have to afford it? That seems like an income redistribution process where you take money from the rich and give to the poor. He isn't paying down the national debt with this money (which would be the prudent thing to do. any one knows you have to pay down debt before you spend more). But he's creating more spending.

Don't tell me Obama is good and great when this is his "plan." I think that he has some serious logic flaws.

America is a concept of limited government, and this is not limited government.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

AMANDA SEVERN:

Hello and top of the morning to you from across the pond. So very nice to be reached out to from across the drink!

I lived in your lovely contry for 3 blessed years, from 1994 to 1997. Although I must admit the only 2 'problems' I expect that I had while living htere were CND (those people are loons) and the TV TAX (and those rather sinister roving TV vans driving about enforcing the 'pay your TV tax' philosophy....) odd odd odd....

Regardless, the socialized medicing program you have was truly an interesting take on a governemnt helping its own. well done and bravo. Pity about the VAT at 19.5% but such is life I expect. Has it gone uip at all.

Oh yeah, also wasn't too fond of all of the 'Muslimization' of the UK either, whilst I was there. They were rather daft too.

Cheers, my love.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

PARAGLIDER:

Ah yes sir... We meet again! lol.

You bring to light an extremely valid point about a very real truth surrounding this election. Indeed this is our PRECIPICE of change and tthe 11/4/08 election will be the catalist and mechanism for our nation on the cusp of that change.

Yeah, the next President is as 'doomed' as the nitwit we have in office now. Whjat a mess he will have to correct, whether that be McCain or Obama, the fact remains that our next President will set a prescident (!) in regards to having to fix 7 years of blunder. (I say 7 years because out of Bush's previous 8 years, he was effective on his first year in his job: year 1 in response to 9/11)

As always, PARAGLIDER, thank you for your valued input.

Reid


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

SHARONSARAH:

Hello and good morning. THnak you for your kind words of support and encouragement; it is greatly appreciated!

A fresh approach to overcoming the situations currently facing America is certainly 'needed' as you mention above, so yes, I completely agree with you.

Nice Yorkies, by the way.

Respectfully,

Reid


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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

I'm so glad you wrote this excellent hub, as I only caught a few minutes of the debate on our UK TV. Your nation is so ready for change, and I only hope the winning candidate can deliver. Over and over on these hubpages I have heard reference to the inadequate health provisions for poorer people in the USA, and I'm glad you've experienced the alternative during your time in Britain, and can speak about it knowledgeably. Of course, as you know, we Brits like to moan and groan about the NHS, but compared to the American system, we just don't know how lucky we are!

Financially, the incoming president has a mountain to climb. Perhaps Paraglider is right, and the lack of available funds will precipitate a withdrawal of troops from the various war zones. When money is tight, priorities change.


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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

I agree with your analysis of the debate. Whoever wins on the 4th will have a dreadful inheritance to unravel. The only plus side of the financial debacle might be a realisation that foreign policy has to become less military, if for no other reason than that there's no money to pay for it.


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sharonsarah 8 years ago

Hi, nice hub. You have good look at politics. I dont have hat much. But I think, to overcome the present situations of this country, new senetor is required. Ofcourse this is my personal opinion. I am so much impressed by your hub.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Romney is a fine man and now in my own hindsight of evaluating him in comparison to this McCain fellow, was a better candidate. You are correct on that one, so I agree there.

You make some insightful observations about healthcare too. Thank you for your input.


Joe 8 years ago

Well From my view Romney was the smartest man running. Ask him a question he could answer and you could understand him completely. He displayed excellent communicational skills, a great knowledge of business fundamentals with experience, not to mention he carries a certain prestigious look to him. Sum it up he’s a true leader. huckabee and the messed up primary system ruined his chances though.

I do not want universal healthcare till regulations on costs for everything are set forth, 7 stitches will run you about 1400 dollars where I live, go down the street to a vet office and it’s a 150 bucks to get the same thing done to your dog. That’s why healthcare is so high now; those without coverage suffer the inflated prices that the hospital charges those with coverage. Just think how much the hospitals will charge when the gov’t has the coin satchel. I think there should be two new stipulations on congress men/senators. Two terms, and no chance at presidential runs in lifetime. They could be a VP though. Governors by far are the best qualified for the most part to run for president.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi Bobey...

You make a good point... they each have desirable traits to me too, as well as strong drawbacks. I find my self reverting to my core feeling: 'In a nation of 300 Million people, these two nitwits are the best we can produce as candidates to lead America at this perilous time?'

Oh well...

BTW, it's nice to 'meet you'.

Reid


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

CW- Oh, ok I goet it. Well, I am constantly in need of vision correction myself. Technically legally blind but correctible to 'seeable'.


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Bobey 8 years ago from Modesto' CA

I dont really know who is going to win but im a littel confused on it because they are both good.


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Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

It does, and don't worry. I'm not severely sight-impaired, just a little near-sighted. Some scrips would be nice, but are not necessary.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

CW~ Thank you for your kind words of support. As always I appreciate your insightful regard. I am saddened to hear about your plight for glasses; a common call of the shrinking middle-class as they concede to a lack of health care.

I hope this email finds you well.


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Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

Reid, forgot to tell you, this is an excellently written piece.  Bravo!

Jeff, I have NEVER had access to even marginal health care. Thank god I have rarely needed it. There are some things I need right now which I cannot get, like glasses, because I was recently seriously injured and am unable to work. Therefore, in this country, I'm SOL for healthcare. "God Bless America"?

God bless my ass! I'd be better off... That's right, I said it.


Frank 8 years ago

If you're referring to the Constitutional party hardliners, you may be correct. I happen to be a constitutional conservative. I firmly believe that our founding fathers were very intelligent and left us with the best form of government in the world...one of limited centralized government and more individual responsibility. As we get further and further away from this concept, and more toward socialism and globalism, the worse the situation gets for the American people.

Disagree? I don't read about the mass numbers of people immigrating (legally or illegally) to socialist or communist countries.

Having spent a career in the military, I endured government-run medical for the entire time. Why do so many folks come from other countries to have their medical procedures here in the U.S.?


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi Frank,

You make some good points, however many of your points are points that the party hardliners have been regurgitating to the press and the populus, so that's unfortunate on your part. It does make you look a bit like a talking head, parroting a party lines, so that's not good.

You seem very fervant and convicted about your opinions, and that's good because it shouws that you care enough to care about what is going on in the world, and in particular, in America.

I lived in UK for three years and experienced socialized healthcare first hand. It was not as dire or as dismal a reality as the picture you paint. You can only hythosize whereas I have the priviledge of 20/20 experienced hindsight. I speak from reallife experience.

It's one of those wait and see situations I expect.

Nice points you make Frank. Thank you for being present with me on this one. I appreciate.


Frank 8 years ago

Sorry, but I'm not for government health care at all. I don't want the same kind of organization that runs DMV and used to run the post office to run my health care. The next thing you know, we'll have sunscreen police combing the beaches to make sure everyone is wearing enough sunscreen so no one will be going to the doctor for sunburn or skin cancer.

Besides, federally funded health care is completely unconstitutional. No where in the consitution does it give the federal government authority to provide health care, or even get into that area of our lives.

The government only has the authority that "we the people" give it through the constitution. If we don't have the authority to do something, then we can't give it to our government. Last time I checked, I didn't have the authority to take money from Peter to pay Paul's health care, so I can't give that authority to my government.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one, Gene. Some dark days do seem to be ahead. I suppose we'll have to see what unfolds.

Too many negative things all at one. Hence the precipice if our change, sadly.

Thank you for your insight.


gene 8 years ago

Hi R. Martin

I have no problem with Obama's color there are many I believe of color

with more expieriance I would rather see running in his place. I agree it's sad we have these two running as the best? Rep. and Dem's can come up with?I don't see a very bright future for America it's very depressing. For one thing we never should have allowed nafta to happen costing Americans thousands of jobs. Another thing is the influx of illegals into America while Washington turned it's head the other way. Draining our resources. I know we have criminals in America however do we need more? I know every once in a while they send a few hundred back to apease john q.public but this is while a thousand are sneaking in the back door. Many that have alredy been deported. I not only blame Washington part of the blame goes to American investors constantly clammering for higher dividens on their dollar. Thus forcing companies to downsize and move to another country where they can make the same product cheaper ship it back here at a much higher profit for these investors costing American jobs. While getting a tax break from Washington to move out of the country. Just my opinion on things.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi CHEF JEFF;

Thank you for your sincere and heartfelt input. Indeed we as a country are on the precipice of change, and as such, whenever humans are confronted with change, change in and of itself has a potential for inspiring fear.

My own two personal 'rules' about what is or, moreover, what constitutes 'fear' and how they respectively constitute 'change' are the following: (1) I fear that what I have will be taken away or (2) I fear that what I want, I shall not get.

We are facing an unprescidented time and election in history: CHANGE is evident and this election is historical for two very simple and blunt realities: Either a WOMAN will enter the White House, or BLACK MAN will. That's it. There can be no other realistic choices to these two potential realities.

This, sir, represents TRUE change of America's geo-political profile and, simply put, the nation and the world if fearing this revolutionary change.

Don't believe me? Look at Wall Street 1 month before out historical election of change is set to occur... Does anyone REALLY THINK that what we are experiencing on Wall Street is some sort of coincidence, or that the panicked stock sell off's in the past 2 weeks is NOT directly tied to our impending historical election?

Only a fool would conclude that these events are not linked.

So Chef, I can sense the sincere upset and even fear in your concerns. But as a good American and 21st Century citizen, you are indeed playing your responsible part in expressing and verbalizing your concern.

Remember, Chef Jeff, that when we as a people slip into automatron mode and either stop caring, or ignore the potential for change, remember that the Devil will find work for idle hands to do.

Don't believe me? Ask Jesse Owens at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. He made history and forced the world to put a face upon the evil that grew into Hitler's empire. What if the World community and unified in protest against that then fledgling show by Hitler's new vision?

Hitler would have faded into obscurity.

Change is not always something to be feared, Chef. As long as we have the tools to discect it from all angles and are prepared to live with our conclusions and the results.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi GENE-

Please permit me to respond to your three above comments with these points...

Regardless of what my writers may or may not think of my OP/ED article here, I am going to have to agree with you on this one.  I have grave and serious reservations about BOTH of these nitwits.  My celebratory comments above about the freshman Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, are my observation about how he maneuvered and commanded the 2nd Presidential debate 2 nights ago, and not necessarily any 'vote of confidence' or 'endorsement' of him. 

Sinply put, and all personal political beliefs aside, Obama won that debate. 

McCain looked his age and was slow, stagnant and vague in his answers to even the most basic questions.  He looked like an old man who was having difficulty drawing parallels or constructing linear arguments.  He looked like a man unsure of himself and who likewise realized that he was faultering right there on an internationally broadcast stage. 

In sharp and defined contrast, Senator Obama not only had fluid, relaxed and well thought out answers, but he came across as sincere (whether true or not) and gave very exact 'facts'... One after another.

Now, with all that said, let me remind my readers that I am apolitical and endorsing no one at this time.  I would much rather be continuing with my 'Top 100 Most Culturally Significant Movies Influencing Modern America' series (see my other writings on this website), but sometimes, a priority is a priority and with the most controversial and important political election since the Roosevelt administration and World War II only a month away, my responsibility as a social commentator, author and quasi-journalist lies in recapitulating those topic that are socially important right now, TODAY.  My curious little movie reviews can wait for now, as this PRECIPICE OF CHANGE in which these United States are currently navigating, certainly trump most other topics and demand our clear and rational discovery.

I do agree with you that these two candidates are not the best candidates.  However, this is America, and in MY United States of America, we accept flaws and hope to look past prejudices and accept 'the reality of that with which we are presented' (a line from THE TRUMAN SHOW, which I reviewed recently on my list, ironically enough.) 

In as much, I am saddened that in a nation of over 300 Million Americans, that THESE TWO nitwits are the best that our nation can produce to run for our highest elected office.

However, these are the two candidates, like 'em or not. And in as much, it is our civic duty to evaluate each candidate's potential for not only leadership, but also change.


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Chef Jeff 8 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

Concerning health care, both candidates have talked much. People who get paid the big bucks to study these things have concluded that Obama's plan is far better than McCain's. But people who do not want to hear won't listen to that.

Moreover, Obama's plan will have to be put on hold because of the current fiscal mess, and even then, some voters will labels it as "Socilaist" even though they have no understanding of what Socialism is.

Furthermore I believe it will not pass thorugh Congress, even if the Democrats are "in control".  It would be a certain path to not being reelected because the Republican spin machine would immediately raise the cry of Socialism, equating Socialism to Communism, the bugaboo of American politics, thereby killing any chance for anyone who voted for it to eveer raise his or her head in public again.

That said, why does a prisoner have better health coverage in jail than the many people who are working stiffs or unemployed?  It is almost worth it to go to jail just for the health coverage. 

Granted, it isn't the best health care we can offer, but I could actually get the life-saving treatment for my disabilities if I were a convicted criminal that I can not get now as a free, unemployed citizen.

What a country!


Gene 8 years ago

You will never see "CHANGE" untill we get rid of the lifelong good ole' boys in Washington. Untill a bll is passed regulating a two year term for Senators and Congressmen we will be stuck with the pork barrel provisions in our bills. We have to impose a two year term limit to get rid of these back room deals and every two years put new blood in Washington. At that time you may see "CHANGE" not before. As long as we have these people in for life we will have problems. A new Senator or Congressman/woman cannot get anything done unless they play ball with these old timers. It's time to phase them out via two year terms.No more lifetime Senators or Congressmen/women.


Gene 8 years ago

I WILL be voting against every senator and congressmen in this state that voted for the bailout.Reguardless of being Rep. or Dem. They both voted against the wishes of the people. They've GOT to go. A voter from R.I.


Gene 8 years ago

As far as I'm concerned and many other voters BOTH of them suck.


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi CW...

well i dont know... it's an open forum and i invite all perspectives as well as the opportunity to debate...so to speak. lol.


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Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

Good for you!  Do you think he'll actually see it?  ;-)

PS: If other nations can provide top-notch, universal healthcare for ALL of its citizens, why can't we?

The health level of a nation's citizenry is the very back bone of that nation. What does this say about us?


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

Hi Fred...

Thank you for your input and opinion. 

Fred, I hate to disappoint you, but I am neither republican or democrat.  I think both parties are equally corrupt and in need of restructuring. 

For the record I am extremely conservative on some issues and extremely liberal on others. 

Some examples of my cross-political views: I believe a woman's body is her own and that she has a right to choose, so I believe in Roe V. Wade; I do not support gay marriage as I see it as an erosion of family values (however, gay lifestyles don't bother me at all, per se - it's a choice); I loved Ronal Reagan and Roosevelt (2 polar opposite politicians); I am VERY opposed personally to the war in Iraq; I very much so believe in securing our boarders to stop the invasion we are experiencing from Mexico; I think President Bush is the worst President of all time (that is how he will be remembered) however, he demonstrated magnificant stewardship of the US in the days, weeks and months following the 9/11 attacks; I believe that the Katrina situation was our ticket out of Iraq by bringing our troops back to assist with that we could have claimed 'national emergence needs' and then deployed out Iraq troops along the Katrina panhandle (which co-incidently would have also secured our boarder);  I am undecided on 'free healthcare' porposals since i lived in UK for 3 years and experienced that system first hand;  I view the biggest threats to the contemporary 21st America as Immegration reform, economic instability, and an increasing worldwide deployment, yet believe that we should pull ALL troops back to America, funnel huge amounts into education and focus upon the growing veteran and homeless crisis that is sweeping the US. 

For you, sir, to marginalize me or attempt to pigeon-hole me as a 'liberal' or even a 'conservative' is as offensive and elitist as the very accusuation you yourself make against me. 

Thank you for your spirited input and for this opportunity to respond and correct you.


Fred 8 years ago

This article was the biggest piece of liberal rhetoric that I have read on a long time. It is quite obvious what side the author is on....


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R. Martin Basso 8 years ago from California Author

I'm still undecided on the whole 'free healthcare' thing... the only possible place the money could come from is more taxes...a LOT more taxes... as in a complete revision of the current American governmental system... But I hear what you're saying... I just need to really research more on that one... Good insight Constant... Thank you.


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Constant Walker 8 years ago from Springfield, Oregon

I couldn't agree more! Obama delivered specific, and very doable!, plans for the problems of this country today - while McCain continually repeated hollow promises and continued to fall back on tired rhetoric: "I'm so this and he's so that." In other words, business as usual.

I was disgusted with, and finished with McCain five minutes into the debate.

My only disappointment in both candidates was that neither talked about a plan for government-funded healthcare for EVERY citizen. We will remain the only industrialized country in the world which does not properly take care of it's citizens healthcare.

Oh well...

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