Elections Have Consequences

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but as Obama himself has said, "Elections have consequences." Now for the nuts out there who voted to have him destroy the nation's economy for 4 more years I will not be sympathetic if the current wave of reactions throughout the business community come knocking at your door. If you had been paying attention to the economic conditions of this nation rather than your own personal goody basket then you would have thought out the consequences.

I haven't written since the election because I wanted to sense some of the coming back blast from the business community itself as I am a small business owner myself. Between absorbing what many liberals will obviously ignore and attending meetings and tending to phone calls I've been a tad busy. I've had a couple of lefties come along here and there and gloat but somehow I believe the people who had common sense will have the last gloat. There is a coming economic storm so don't say you weren't warned.

Today I received a solicitation for a tee shirt that describes liberalism and the situation quite well. Prominently displayed on the front is: "Moochers Electing Looters To Steal From Producers." That describes thew results of reelecting Obama and those who acted before they thought it totally through. Now the question I have to ask myself is at what point in time did this country move from a nation of producers to a nation of moochers. Was it when we started electing the looters and let them remain in office for too long? Everyone remembers the definition of insanity as doing the same thing (electing professional pick pick pockets over and over again) and expecting a different result. The founding fathers just flipped over in their graves I can assure you. I'm going somehwere with this so hang on.

For those of us who are paying attention, have you noticed that immediately after the election the stock market began to plunge and has registered some big losses every day since? It's called a lack of confidence and now uncertainty has been replaced with certainty. Hundreds of points have been flushed down the tubes since the moochers got their will at the ballot box. That fact isn't in dispute though a lefty here or there might place the blame elsewhere.

My next exhibit can be found at the link below. There is an audio there from a radio interview with a business owner out in Vegas that had to layoff 22 employees the day after the election and he explains why and it is interesting to note the composition of the people losing their jobs. You're about to see a lot of this coming straight at you and it isn't about "revenge" as some will try to contend but about the economic reality of business decisions. For a nine-to-five clock puncher I know it might be hard to wrap your head around it. The audio here is very revealing.

Then another article caught my attention which makes the situation in Las Vegas with "David" pale. Again another consequence of having reelected a man who knows nothing about running a business much less this nation. I'll now call him the "Looter-In-Chief. We'll now be moving "FORWARD" to the Obama layoffs.

This next link will take you to an article about the coming avalanche of what will surely follow these rather large companies and what they are being faced with since Tuesday of November 6th. If you work for any of these concerns you might want to reach down and grab your ankles. Again this isn't about "revenge" but economic reality and survival.

Some of the biggies mentioned here are Boeing, Westinghouse, Hawker Beechcraft, Husqvarna, Darden Restaurants, Rockwell Collins, and Rocketdyne just to mention a few. Layoff notices are going out. Foward they have to go to survive. Even before the results of the election some biggies had already moved "forward" with the layoff notices during the previous month. Giants like Cummins, Zynga, Bristol Myers, Corning. Dow Chemical and a list others. Again I don't think enough people understand the atmosphere that Obama has created for making business decisions.

There are also some side notes in the article about some of the "consequences" that workers will now face because companies, large or small doesn't matter, now that the consequences of having Obamacare fully implemented hit home.

Here's an excerpt from one article on the subject:

Cook Medical put plans for five new U.S. manufacturing facilities on hold and will likely redirect growth overseas. Boston Scientific recently announced a $150 million investment in China over the next five years for new manufacturing facilities and 1,000 employees.

Costs will be offset with layoffs, cutting R&D, and higher prices to their customers, hospitals and provider groups. Hospitals will pass it to insurance providers, who will pass it to us in higher insurance premiums.

This is not going to be a pretty picture. But those who wanted their Obamaphones, food stamps and handouts better enjoy what they are getting for free temporaily. You see, there really is no such things as a free lunch. Socialism is fine until you run out of other people's money. How shortsighted can the electorate be? We just witnessed it.

Maybe when your worst fears are realized you'll wake up. Too late but you'll at least be awake.

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As Always,

The Frog Prince

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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

You are right about the Layoffs coming fast and furious now, as businesses prepare for four more years of Obama, and his new taxes, and start to bail to other countries even faster than before.

Daily Job Cuts - Layoff News

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/

Daily Job Cuts / Lay offs - Your source for daily economy updates on recent Job Layoffs 2012 Job Losses, Layoff News, Bankruptcy, Company Closings, Business and Economic News


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Thanks for the link Ken. The consequences will now start to roll. You know which way crap rolls I'm sure.

TFP


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Nothing we haven't seen plenty of times before, shortly after an election people who are angry about the results or simple sore losers fire some staff as retaliation, then everything goes back to normal.

The OECD (the biggest and most highly qualified board of independent economists in the world) released it's new unemployment prediction today which has been accurate down to the decimal point for the last nine reports, they say unemployment will fall another 0.3% by the end of the year.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Josak - Just follow the link Ken Burgess posted on a daily basis. Ever heard the sound when the sh*t rolling down hill hits? It goes 'SPLAT' so duck if you're in the way. Yes, elections sometimes havre unintended consequences son so peddle your nonsense somewhere else.

The Frog


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

Good read but you really need to do a proof read and edit your grammatical errors.... The Libtards will have a field day with that stuff instead of worrying about the reality of the content.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

... also, check the price of fire arms. Thank goodness I already have a pretty impressive collection. It pales in comparrison to a mutual friend of ours who happens to be my closest neighbor (1/4 mi. away)

I've been in business for most of my working life. Now I do politics because I can't stand not having some control over my bottom line. I just said a mouth full there bro.

~ jim


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

MrM - What usually happens is what you see above my last comment before this. Along comes a dunce who wants to cherry pick an article. I'm used to it. Most of them aren't smart enough to actually read "entirely" what I presented much less the information presented at the links which are facts and not conjecture by some OECD group of speculators. These links deal with actual businesses going through the actual layoff process. That's where the rubber meets the road. I go back later and edit as it is hard to self-edit. After a time it is easier to spot things here and there. Thanks. I just wish readers would actually read the links. I guarantee you that Josak totally disregarded the facts once again. The layoffs are just beginning and people should have seen the obvious unintended consequences of having Obama for a second term Idiots usually don't learn the first time around though.

jim - Indeed you did my friend

The Frog


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Yup the link says 2000 people were fire on the 9th which was a particularly bad day, in October 171 000 more people were employed than lost their job. Oh the horror.


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Correction, total employment rose by 410 000 in October.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Then go back Genius Josak and see how many jobs were lost that month. You haven't got a clue about anything you usually try to bring up son. You are a cherry picker, not a comparison shopper. Now scram son. I don't have pateince for your yammering right now.

If you believe everything the BLS puts out I have a bridge I'll sell you. Did you happen to notice the rate went up to 7.9%? Oh Duh! At least try to get your facts straight son.

The majority of this is POST election not PRE election. I wonder why you have a problem with thinking in a straight line.

The Frog


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Josak 4 years ago from variable

Yes the number of jobs lost is included in those figures Frog.

171 000 fewer jobs were lost which seasonally adjusted for total employment equals 410 000 effective jobs gain.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Josak - So explain now why the rate went up and not down. Then son go and dig up the U6 part of the report and write yourself a 47 page Hub on the subject. In the meantime go away and I suggest you stay away. You have yet to refute any of the facts presented in any of the links in this Hub. Explain why the market is tanking where it makes semse other than saying "It always does that." The market reacts to bad news as it just did and will continue to do.

Then explain how all those big companies have doled out layoff notices or are now in the process of doing that. Use facts Josak and not diversion. Then explain how those medical equipment manufacturers are shutting the doors and moving oversea Josak. Use facts Josak not your usual diversiony off subject crap.

There are sources now son where small business owners are posting what they are doing to face the consequences that you left wing non-thinkers have brought about with your lack of thought.

And let me remind you one last time Josak that I don't tolerate diversions by going off topic. What I presented here are unrefutable facts, not left wing physchobabble.

Use POST election data Josak.

The Frog


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Writer David 4 years ago from Mobile, AL

Frog, have you noticed how quickly some "conservatives" have caved? John Boehner, before the results were even in officially, caved in on both the fiscal cliff, taxes and illegal immigration. Even so-called conservative Sean Hannity stated his position is "evolving" on illegal immigration. I've been saying since I have been on HP, it is time for a 3rd party. Neither party represents conservatives. Sure, it would be the end of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party being the majority party. Sometimes, you just have to do what is right. You have to stand up for principles that you have been instilled with all your life. I'm glad about one thing since this election; we see who the cowards are now and who the real conservatives are now.

As you have stated, things are about to get worse, much worse for unemployed Americans and the possibility of a another recession is very real now. Just reading articles since the election, a lot of blue collar workers and evangelicals stayed home. I really thought those two were the key of beating the blind support of those who want "goodies" from the government. If I was about 20 years younger, I'd leave this country. This is no longer the country of John Adams , George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. It's the country of a celebrity President and government dependents. In short, it's over.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

David - I'm not a fair weather conservative nor a Republican nor a Democrat. Not sure what Boehner is going to do. He used the term "revenue" which is the fancy word for taxes. But he also said the House isn't going to pass any tax increases so he has them to deal with too.

The moochers and freeloaders have screwed things up since the founders put the system in effect. Instead of a 'limited" federal monster we have a beast.

See ya Josak. I don't need the facts according to left wing Josak. I said use POST election data and I'm doing just that. Three days and the stuff is hitting the fan son. Live with it. Now keep moving and let the rest of us have an adult conversation.

The Frog


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Wait until you see the wonderful employment numbers we will see in January. One of my daughters works for the Darden Corporation who owns Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and some other food joints. They have already informed their employees that as of the first of the year they will all be cut to 30 hours per week because of the costs of Obamacare.

Not all, but many of these employees will be forced to find other part time employment in order to be able to pay their bills and eat. Of course each one of these new part time employees at another job will show as a positive on the unemployment calculations. Darden Corporation will also have to open some new part time positions to keep sufficient staff to run their restaurants. So these new part time jobs will also make the unemployment numbers look better for Obama.

So bottom line, we now have employees working two part time jobs to earn a living, and the unemployment numbers will be showing a huge favorable gain. The employees will also lose their benefits because part timers don't qualify for benefits.

Now this of course is because of an administration who cares so deeply about the citizens of this country. It would be interesting if the unemployment numbers had to break out part time vs full time positions, and give some indication of benefits lost.

We all know that numbers can be used as a positive or a negative. The miracle unemployment numbers used just before the election failed to mention that California had "forgotten" to send in their results. I would have to think that with California numbers included in the count, we would have still been well over 8%.

To mention the number of jobs gained without mentioning the number of jobs lost in the same period is manipulation at best. We need to see a net gain or loss number to know the actual current situation. To not include statistics as to how many of these jobs gained were part time or temporary positions is also manipulation.

I thank god every day that I am now retired and don't have to look for work or feed and clothe a bunch of children. Except I still pay taxes so I guess I do feed and clothe a bunch of children, they just aren't mine.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - Isn't it great that we're about to become a nation of part time workers. In September supposedly the majority of any jobs created were part time work and the number was ridiculously large and obtained by telephone polling. Boy that was accurate wasn't it?

Now the reality is setting in about the present and the future. There will continue to be plenty of koolaiders to try to refute the facts with the past while the rest of us are focusing on the present and the future. Such is life.

Formerly we were a producing nation and not a nation of moochers. That point isn't lost on anyone who isn't a freeloader.

The Frog


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Lions Den Media 4 years ago

Hello Frog - you're absolutely right - these next 4 years are not going to go well for those of us in business and those seeking jobs. And the fact that Boehner collapsed like a cheap lawn chair. We're about to separate the men from the girls and I'm afraid the republican girls in congress will outnumber the men. Nice hub. Take care.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

When these koolaiders find themselves working two or three part time jobs with no benefits, they may start to understand the error of their ways in the voting booths.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - This election proved positive that you can buy, or keep, your way into ofice with free stuff.

We've taken one credit rating hit and there will be more to follow. Hang on tight.

TFP


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Yep, by using carefully chosen words, he was able to buy votes from Hispanics, Women, Gays, Students, and the free cell phone crowd. Actually pretty brilliant when you think about it.


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Cassie Ann 4 years ago

Yes, it's happening here in Wisconsin too. Heard on a radio show today that a small business owner with around 200 employees will be laying off 40 employees by Dec. 1 strictly because of Obama's taxes and health care costs stemming from Obamacare. He is a group of about 25 small business owners who are being forced to do the same thing or lose the businesses they spent their lives building.

Sheeples like Josak don't know the facts and don't care about the facts. Diversion from the topic is all they know how to do. I still am surprised and disheartened about the outcome of the election because that means more people are willing to bury their heads and be clueless about what this administration is doing rather than search out the truth. In Wisconsin this election was very strange. Obama won the presidency but more Republicans were voted into office. Also we had the Scott Walker recall nonsense but he received more votes on his bogus recall than when he was originally voted in. I thought the tide was turning. After I get off of work tonight, I will definitely come back and click the links in this hub. Voted up and tweeted for sure.

I guess I wasn't too surprised about Wisconsin voting for Obama because the last time our state voted Republican was I believe for Reagan both in '80 and '84.

Glad you wrote this, FP. I am slowly recovering from disbelief of the outcome of this election. But like my brother said, who also thought Romney would eek out a win, what can we expect from a nation where almost half of the population is getting some sort of government handout/assistance?? We will forge on!


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junko 4 years ago

The People have spoken and the Republicans MUST compromise. Its easy for hard core hubbers to say, they caved. They heard what the majority of Americans voted for this election and it was not Romney. Republicans must prevent what happened to the Democrats in 2010 from happening to them in the 2014 midterm election.


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Davesworld 4 years ago from Cottage Grove, MN 55016

As taxes increase, as regulations mount up, as the business environment in the country worsens, more and more jobs are going to go overseas. As Obamacare settles in, more and more full-time jobs will become part-time jobs. The official line will be "Big Bad Businesses," not what it should be, "Dumb Democrat Demogoguery."

Of course, it goes without saying that the "rich" will also be blamed for the problems. As will, of course, the Republicans who will valiantly try to say no the coming nonsense.

And four years from now, accompanied by the mindless drones of the national media, the Democrats will run on a ticket of "Punish Big Business" and, since there are so damn many unthinking lemmings such as Josak, probably succeed.


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Lions Den Media 4 years ago

So how do you really feel Dave? :) Basically you're saying things don't look good the future. I couldn't agree more....well said.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

What amazes me is that "we won" attitude that the lemmings have. There was no mandate I can assure anyone. He squeaked by offering goodies to those who are stupid enough to think their is a free lunch. The House stayed basically where it is and will belong. That's the People's House if you have even an inkling of knowledge of our nation's history. Both parties better start compromising now and knock off the partisan bullshit, just as some of the users here need to do. People think I'm a Republican and I can tell you that I'm not. I am a fiscal conservative and an Independent.

Who needs to now learn how to compromise is 1) Obama and 2) Harry Reid. They will both become a huge problem once again. The US Senate has not passed a budget in 4 years. So all that partisan yammering about compromise needs to cease until they start doing their job. We just may as well not have had this past election because not much changed except the number of voters who voted for Obama. That went down.

The people sent the House back with a mandate again if there is said to be a mandate. In the meantime expect more gridlock while the Dems continue to want to raise taxes in a bad economy. Stupidity.

The Frog


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

Below is a listing of the announced job layoffs in the few days after the election.

Post election job reductions:

Harper Collins - 200 jobs

Hawker-Beechcraft - 410 jobs

Vestas Wind Systems - 3000 jobs

Energizer - 1500 jobs

Westinghouse - 50 jobs

Lightyear Network Solutions -12 jobs

Providence Journal - 23 jobs

CVPH Medical - 17 jobs

U S Cellular - 980 jobs

Momentive Performance Materials - 150 jobs

Rocketdyne - 100 jobs

Brake Parts - 75 jobs

Husqvarna - 600 jobs

Center of Hospice NY - up to 40 jobs

Bristol-Meyers - 480 jobs

OCE North America - 135 jobs

Exide Technologies - 150 jobs

Southeastern Container - 15 jobs

TE Connectivity - 620 jobs

Yakima Regional Medical Ctr - 10 or more jobs

Crouse Hospital (NY) - 70 jobs

Eagle-Tribune - 70 jobs

Ameridose LLC - up to 650 jobs

Groupon - 80 job

Career Education Corp - 900 jobs

Mills Manufacturing - 68 jobs

Telco - 90 jobs

West Ridge Mining - 102 jobs

Caterpillar - One plant closing

United Blood Service Gulf - 10% of workforce

Boeing: 30% cut in management jobs back to 2010 levels

Nextel: 20% job cuts @ VA HQ

SCA Barton - Staff reduction to begin and continue thru 2015


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Wayne - Yeah and the lefties are clapping and yelling "WE WON! WE WON!" It is going to be interesting now to see who Obama blames for the mess he just inherited by winning this latest election. What they WON was the BIG MESS he created and it's about to get worse because he has no idea what to do except to run around posturing.

So lets go back and use an argument about September & October unemployment figures? Someone needs to grow up and do it fast. That had nothing to do with what I presented here.

The straw man arguments get really tiresome.

The Frog


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Wayne Brown 4 years ago from Texas

No doubt he deserves everything he gets after the mess he has made of things. Here's hoping that Benghazi keeps him well occupied for a while then maybe spending will go down. ~WB


Ghost32 4 years ago

Frog, et al: The majority of voters in every age group above the age of 30 went for Romney. It was the youngest voters, 18-29 years old, who put Obama back in for another term. Which makes it doubly ironic, that the generation we're fighting to rescue from themselves is the genration so willingly committing political hara-kiri. I had said (and written) way back when that the ONLY way Obama could possibly win in 2012 would be through new voters--and it looks like that's precisely how he did it.

Apparently, the new and necessary slogan for a candidate seeking the nation's highest office is now

I LOOK COOL AS CAN BE

WHEN ON MTV

OR WITH FORMER PUSHER JAY-Z

SO Y'ALL GOTTA VOTE FOR ME


SassySue1963 4 years ago

These are scary and uncertain times, Frog. Nice job outlining the reality the liberals refuse to face. They can't say they weren't forewarned. I imagine down the road when it all hits the fan, we'll be hard pressed to find one of them that admits to putting this man back into office.

They'd like us all to curl up and be silent. (I've seen the attitude around here of late). I'm glad there is still someone around willing to speak out.


Steph 4 years ago

The night of the election, I picked up my grandson from his dance class and he asked me who I wanted for President. I told him that I voted for Romney. "He isn't good, Grandma! He is only for rich people." This, I will tell you, was from school! Not his parents. So the other thing we need to remember is that our children and grandchildren are being indoctrinated from kindergarten up. That explains why the 18-29 year olds voted for O once again. I still refuse to call that man president!


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drbj 4 years ago from south Florida

Voters can forget about the 'Forward' slogan, Jim. We are now in for four years of 'Back to the Past.' We can count on higher unemployment, higher taxes, more businesses closing, and genuine inflation.


Stu 4 years ago

Hi Frog,

Everything is about expectations. The bond market reacts in advance to anticipated inflation with changes in interest rates. Business does the same thing with respect to the expected cost of regulation. A high level of unnecessary regualtion depresses ROI's, making a portion of planned investments irrational. This leads to lower employment, lower supply, and higher consumer prices. There's no getting around it. As you say, there really is no free lunch. Yes, the feds can rob Peter to pay Paul, but the real issue is how much does the stolen money buy, and how much is left to buy after production goes down. I think it was GWB who said "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." After all the damage Obama has done in four years, we have only ourselves to blame for the next four. We can save a little blame for the RNC, because they marginalized the non-establishment GOP candidates that could have turned out a bigger GOP vote. But in the end, we should have been smart to choose a flip-flopping centrist over a radical socilaist. Yes, we did make some gains in Congress, but that just means federal regulation and Presidential EO's will expand to offset a marginally more hostile legislature. The federal register (our federal laws and regulations) would as you say make our Founders roll over in their graves. Now, without voters to care about, Obama is going to go into hyper-drive. Really, we already no longer have a Constitutional Republic, because the federal government does not obey either the Tenth Amendment or Articles (1)-(3) of the Constitution. These abuses will become more frequent and severe over the next four years, because Obama has only this one last chance to wreck the nation. And wreck it he will, because Congress and the courts simply won't stop him; they proved that during his first four years. I admit Congress has been helpful in some areas in regard to slowing down the Obama agenda, but the courts have literally behaved like Obama's lap dogs. As you say, "Elections Have Consequences." In this case it is the probable total ruination of America. Shame on we the people, because we had four years to see what we were buying, and now we're going to reap the fruits of our own greed, ignorance, and stupidity.

Stu


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

Love the post Stu... I have written articles, posts, read many like yours, read books in regards to what we face with Obama and the next four years... and in total neither myself, nor anyone else has really been able to capture the entirety of what we face.

To put it simply... America as the #1 world economic super power... America as the #1 Military force... America as the #1 land of opportunity... NONE of those things will be true come 2016.


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

drbj... you are more correct than you know.

I don't blame "rich executives" nor "conservative policies" for what should have been a temporary economic recession. I blame a federal government that forced banks and lenders to give loans to people it darn well knew could not afford them. I blame Obama for turning a temporary recession to an almost full blown depression by wasting a trillion dollars of “stimulus” money that turned out to be no more than a kick back scam for his supporters. I blame Obama for not even pretending to make a debt deal with Boehner when the opportunity presented itself. But he sure could blame them for blocking everything.

Any business that can abandon America without also abandoning profits in the next four years will do so... its going to be Depression city for America soon after 1 Jan 2013.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

This election made it impossible to ever return this country to the great nation it once was. Many will live to regret their actions in the voting booth, but by then it will be too late. It is said that it was the youth vote, many first time voters, who tipped the vote over to Obama. I can only hope that they will realize they played a big role in shaping the new world they will be living in. I wish them luck in turning it back into the wonderful life many of us had the great fortune to live.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

Mike - Obama has been very calculating in everything he has done. People cite Greece as an example of what is yet to come and it is an excellent example. They adopted the cradle to grave philosophy that Obama advocates. All one needs to do now is to look at what that has wrought. Look at their unemployment rate, their inflation rate, their inability to borrow more money, their dependence now on the rest of the European community to bail them out and the resulting rioting and unrest that all of their greed has caused. It's about greed and the "what's in it for me" attitude the younger generations have had bred into them.

The Republic, as we have known it, will not survive what is to come if the politicians don't do what has to be done. You can't endlessly borrow money and not repay it. It's called bankruptcy and when these moochers and looters don't get what they see as being their rightful due then we will see what is what.

The Frog


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Not only are we borrowing more than we can pay back, we are printing money like there is no tomorrow. Keep this up and gas will soon be $100 per gallon and a loaf of bread will be $50. Why do so few understand the long term effect of these stupid actions?

Could it be we now have so many living on maxed out credit cards they think this is how it is supposed to be?


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

Why is it that those who voted Obama back in are always and I mean always rude and snarky? Oh wait, I guess they are emulating their leader. Obama's re-election signals a very bad time for our nation. It is written in the cards. Bad economic policy always brings bad results. Up and shared.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

BPOP - Why you ask? Because they worship Snarky Smirksalot. Silly woman.

The Frog


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FitnezzJim 4 years ago from Fredericksburg, Virginia

I've been puzzled by the election results, not because Obama won, but because the Democrats won so many Senate seats, while at the same time Republicans won a majority of the House of Representatives and a majority of the States governorships. To me, that seems inconsistent. Could it be that the Democratic Party focused on the Senate and Presidency because of the unique authorities we've granted to those parts of the government, while at the same time putting less effort into the other elections?


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Writer David 4 years ago from Mobile, AL

FitnezzJim

I believe and will always believe there was massive voter fraud throughout the country. As it turns out, Obama probably didn't need voter fraud to win against another sacrificial moderate Republican. But, make no mistake, there was fraud in the Philly precincts and in Florida. Democrats wanted an insurance policy. They got it.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

David - It's turning out that there was massive voter fraud in both Ohio and Florida. Parts of Florida are showing 158% voter turnout. This nation is going to hell in a hand basket.

The Frog


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

When Businesses cut back... the first to go are the less than best.

When you prune the tree the first things you cut out are Dead wood and Suckers.

Coming up fast after that are people with too many demands and not enough practical use.

Hot on their heals are any other people who are on the "Full Time with Benefits" group that can be reduced to part time and still get the job done... (without the Bennies and without the extra 10 hours of pay)

Oh... and Remember those things called OVERTIME??? Time and a Half??? Holiday pay scales... Forget that junk... its now history.

There are quite a few financial train-wrecks about to happen for the american workers... The only reason allot of those Dem supporters are not worried is because they are not workers to begin with... The younger ones most especially.

Democratic Party needs to adopt a historical adage as its New Slogan....

"Oh what a tangled mess we weave when we practice to deceive"


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

MrMarantha - Sounds like you're a businessman like many of us out here. What you spelled out there is exactly the way it happens time and time again. The deadwood and moochers/slackers are the first to go. More businesses, just since I wrote this, have announced that they are going to move people to part time. Part time doesn't get close to overtime.

Obama sold the masses who think their is a free lunch a wolf ticket again. See he kept his job and that was all he wanted to do. He is the master of deceipt. Intelligent people see right through him. Then there are those who think there is actually a free lunch.

During the past 4 years 50% of college graduates cannot find a job and end up back where? At home with their parents. Then they went right back out and voted for who? Look at the demographics again. Obama convinced them it was Bush's fault. No, this is 4 years later and you're now about to see the bottom of the tank. Idiots.

The Frog


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

Small Businessman... Ran a small shop... Ran my own crews... Personally knew each person I hired or let go... Did the payroll math myself... and wrote the payroll checks myself... Knew what Jobs got done in a timely fashion and what dragged on for no reason.. knew who was loafing when I got back to the Job sites and who did most of the work... Yep... Bunch of heads will roll in the coming months.. But I fear that it is not the Obama Supporters who are really going to suffer in this round... there will be some of them maybe... But the majority that hurts on this round will be the ones that are really trying to work... need the Jobs... I tend to think that a large number of those supporting the Dem agenda are either Unemployed already or in school (perpetually) or are living on payroll that is not dependent upon Legal employment... Of course there will be some that get the axe.. but I think most of that dead wood was gone by late 2011 or mid 2012... Not much lazy left in the lean and mean workplace of 2013 be sure of that.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Many business owners have already announced they will be either closing, laying off employees, or reducing most employees to part time with no benefits.

I have a hard time seeing how so many view this as progress and the wave of the future, but I am also old fashioned and have not kept up with the times.

Unions will get stronger and demand more for their workers, and then even more companies will either close their doors or move their operations to foreign soil. Many staunch Union supporters will find themselves without jobs.

I would love it if anyone could show me how my thinking is incorrect, and that everything will be better in this wave of the future. Right now I am having trouble finding any rays of sunshine in our current economic storm.

I most likely won't be around all that much longer, and will probably survive whatever happens. But I feel badly for my children and grandchildren who will feel the effects of many of the changes that are being made.

I am glad that I was born at exactly the right time to see and experience the best this great Nation had to offer. I'm afraid our future generations will never see anything this good, or feel the pride we once had in our country. I still am proud of this country and all we have done and am sad to see that literally thrown away.


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

It was a few years back when Government Employees started making considerably more, and had better benefits, than their private sector counterparts.

When the government is the best paying jobs around, with the best benefits... you know the system is broken and its only going to get worse.


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shiningirisheyes 4 years ago from Upstate, New York

I really do hope, with all my heart, that we will have a chance in the end to be the ones to "gloat" so to speak. Not for the sake of "winning" or to rub it in anyone's face but to avoid the destruction of what was once a strong proud country and to some how come back from the brink of disaster.

Great write as always


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

Old Poolman: Well that brings up a good point... the Unions will get stronger...

Unions, while maybe a good thing in some ways.... are very much a Communist sided entity.

So the communist Candidate is in fact Strengthening Communist ideology at the same time as he shoots the workers in the feet financially. Cripple the employers... and strengthen the Unions at the cost of the peoples JOB security... makes allot of sense. (Does not mean I like it... but I see the game plan)


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

MrMaranatha - Labor like any other commodity costs more when there is a shortage. We all know that at this time the shortage is not available labor, but available jobs. Employers are a liberty to pick and choose employees, and of course pay a lower labor rate.

This is ripe for Labor Unions to step in and regain some of the ground they have lost in the last 10 or more years. We will most certainly see them flexing their muscles and demanding unrealistic pay and benefits for their members. They have still not learned that when it costs more to produce something than it will sell for, the days for that company are numbered.

It is a game plan, and for now at least it seems to be working. When these companies are forced to close their doors or relocate, and there are no jobs, it won't make much sense to pay dues to any labor union.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

And... The Communist Party is looked to by more and more dependants as the Job market fails...

The Machiavellian Prince is in power... for how long?

People who demand a "Restart" of Government better be VERY CAREFUL at this point... Since Obama cannot be reelected a third term, a Restart of Government movement could be hijacked or Cloned and used to put that Joker in power for life.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

In power for life? Now that is a scary thought my friend.


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Cassie Smith 4 years ago from U.S.

All conservatives knew that the layoffs would be coming since Obama was re-elected. I'm waiting to see what excuses the libs will provide for Obama wrecking the economy even more in the next four years.


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Old Poolman 4 years ago from Rural Arizona

Cassie, that is an easy question. They will just blame it on Bush.


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Cassie Smith 4 years ago from U.S.

Poolman, it's amazing that Obama and the libs are still blaming Bush four years later. I guess the dishonesty will still continue, even as we go over the fiscal cliff.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Here is one thing I'll never understand. How can either party when elected to office claim "the people" have spoken in close elections or point to close election results as being some sort of statement (by either party). About 40 - 50% of the eligible electorate did not even vote in our past elections! The truth is, at least in any close election we do not have any consensus of how the population at large feels and basically 1/2 of 1/2 of the adult population decides the election. That is 25%. To illustrate this in another way imagine the senate (100 votes) votes on a bill where 30 senators, say democrats vote for the bill, 29 republicans vote against and 41 abstain. Who would say that the democrats reflect the majority opinion on that bill? In actuality the abstentions win the day.

So in actuality we are living in a country where the largest group in the electorate (~93,000,000) just doesn't care about government representation. But do you hear anything about solving that problem from anyone? voters, representatives or the media? Is one dime spent on it while campaigns spend billions on TV ads that can be shown to not have a proportional effect on the electorate compared to the expense?

Three party system? we have a three party system already and the third party votes "present" every time. I bring this up because I refuse to believe there is not a solution...I wish our government felt the same and at least tried to do something about it...why isn't that a campaign issue or platform plank? After all it is a consequence of elections.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX Author

tsad - Yes and then we have those who claim Obama has some overwhelming mandate. He won in a squeaker and received 11 million less votes than in 2008. You and I just encountered a forum where a LWNJ wants to stifle dissent. Here's my answer :)

http://hubpages.com/politics/If-I-First-You-Dont-S...

The Frog


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Ken Burgess 4 years ago from Florida

Truth is, we'll never know who won a Presidential election anymore, computers that leave no paper trail can be manipulated... until a CLEAR majority chooses one candidate over another, this will remain the case.

When 75% of the country wants one person, and they try to steal it from that candidate, then it will get interesting.


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tsadjatko 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Good points Ken, and not at all sour grapes as the left would have us believe.When people claim that Obama won because the economy was improving, or because Americans generally think he is doing a good job, it is not true. He won through dishonest methods and rhetoric. Many of the votes cast in the swing states were cajoled, some legally and perhaps even more illegally, into supporting him.

Here's just some of the evidence for the skeptical:

In September the Columbus Dispatch in Ohio reported this sad and ugly news: "More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote. In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio's Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it's a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible. Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent. In a close presidential election where every vote might count, which ones to count might become paramount on Election Day and in possible legal battles afterward." The Dispatch asked Ohio's chief elections official, Secretary of State Jon Husted, what could be done about this problem. His answer? Not enough. Nine months ago, he asked U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for a personal meeting to discuss how to balance seemingly conflicting federal laws so he could pare Ohio's dirty voter list without removing truly eligible voters. Holder's office never even bothered to reply to either Husted or the newspaper. What does that tell you? It tells me voter fraud is and was an important tactic in re-electing Holder's boss and Democrats throughout the country. Anyway, we all know how Ohio voted.

How about Michigan Romney's home state? How did Obama win such a resounding victory when the polls showed the two candidates in a virtual tie? And how is it that Obama won by 9 points while Democrats suffered a string of defeats down the entire state ballot? For instance, Republicans maintained control of both the state House and the Supreme Court, while Democrats lost three ballot propositions.

Then, of course, there is the fine work of James O'Keefe and Project Veritas, which demonstrated, over and over again on camera, the willingness and ability of Democratic operatives to cheat and commit fraud to win elections.

How about WND's investigation in which it demonstrated conclusively that the Obama campaign welcomed foreign contributions by intentionally leaving vulnerabilities in its web donation page that allowed even those using bogus names, disposable credit cards and foreign IP addresses to donate cash. The classic example was when WND staffers did just this using the name Osama bin Laden, listing his occupation as "deceased terrorist" and employer as "al-Qaida." The contributions were accepted by the Team Obama, just as it accepted foreign contributions from the Palestinian Authority in 2008, as WND's Aaron Klein demonstrated.

How much evidence does one need to be convinced?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Did it make a difference in this close race?

Without question.

Is there anything we can do about it now?

Not likely.


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RealHousewife 4 years ago from St. Louis, MO

Frog - I know. I know. You know I am a SBO. This means, I will be doing much more of my work myself and hoping like heck I don't go under. It's already so difficult and I was ready to CRY when I started immediately seeing tweets about massive lay offs post election.

I fear for what is ahead Frog. I really do. Great hub - though I wish I hadn't seen WB's list up there - now I almost lost my lunch!

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