Flaws in Feminism (A Woman's Perspective)

Thank you feminists

There is a lot to thank the feminists for. Generations ago, women begun to have a choice to work...or not, have access to activities and jobs once exclusively for men, ability to do more things outside of the home, including voting and gaining property rights. Some things they continue to do today is fight for ending sexual assault and domestic violence, which I am thankful for as well.

Overall though, somewhere around the 70's and forward, feminism took a wrong turn. Some of it was effects of our new "freedoms" and they inadvertently caused a landslide of other issues. Feminism has gotten ugly today because it has increasingly become more about making political statements and taking narrow minded to a new low. It has become a political platform, a platform for hatred of men, even a trend for some women.

This was once an exclusive group of people who originally stood against that type of hypocrisy. Some of the issues they've chosen in recent years are petty and idle, a disgrace to serious issues that face women as a whole. Many generations ago feminism stood for dignity in being a woman. They were not trying to get or take anything from any other group, but now much of feminist thoughts and agendas focus on taking from other groups to achieve their goals.

Femasculine

The old goals of fighting for all women alike, having choices and better lives has taken a backseat to personal agendas such as politics and sexual orientation groups.For instance, feminists are focusing on political correctness, such as using the "she" form within written text rather than the generic "he". Also making some women feel as though they have been violated when they actually haven't- this stems from a sue-happy society. Political correctness is a waste of time in general- it's like potato or potata. It is politics because only politics focus on the minuscule issues, spinning their wheels while bigger things need attention.

Femasculine, by my definition, means that society (feminists included) have prematurely and dishonestly celebrated the uprising of women. It is actually an uprising of a more masculine woman. In short, women have to be like men in this society. Feminists reiterate the fact that we don't need men. No, we don't because we have become more like them. I can tell you now that if we play their game and compete to be like men, against men, we will never win. This is no solution at all and yet here we are on this track.

We are not valued as women. Of course it is still pleasing for women to be attractive (which is also geared toward men), but we truly haven't gained anything in society by utilizing our feminine qualities and assets (other than looks, which seems to be the most notable quality). Our strength that men claim we have over them is using our looks to persuade, but this is also an inherent weakness in that it tempts men and strikes fire in some to do pretty awful things to women as well. Not even looks are our strength.

Pant Suits and Princess Gowns

Is being a princess a disgrace to women? Does that mean we are still focusing on looks. Yes and no. The problem is celebrity interpretation of princess is a spoiled brat that gets what she wants because, and only because, she wants it.

I am raising a 4 yr old girl so I have had my fair exposure to Disney princesses and a gamut of movies. What's wrong with wanting to be like a princess? Women should expect a man to treat her good. Are there princes likely to be lined up for every girl. No way, but like I said, a man should treat a woman good. Problem is, women are caught between thinking they must be with the perfect man or not get married because a prince doesn't exist, or settle.

Feminists have taught us if we want something, we do it ourselves. We don't need to be pampered by him because we'll power play for his job and pay for the pampering at a spa. This isn't the solution.

Let's talk about the princesses in the Disney movies. They embrace the traits of a woman.In many Disney movies the princess is hard-working (Tiana in The Frog Princess), adventurous (Ariel in Little Mermaid), kind to the less fortunate (Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs), resourceful (Rapunzel in Tangled). I could easily name a 100 traits that are wonderful to embody as a princess, as a woman and none of them are spoiled like the celebrity version. There is nothing wrong with being a princess.

Stay-at-home Loser

No pants suits or power suits here. What is the least respected job in the U.S? Stay-at-home mom and housewife; least paid, least appreciated, and least recognized and legitimized in U.S culture. We do not value the mothers that stay home to raise our future generations. I believe my mom staying at home with me for the first ten years of my life gave me a wonderful start. She knew me better than anyone and knew if my course in life was trailing and if I was lying. I never dabbled in drugs, smoking, sex as a teen. My mom knew me so well she'd pick up on those warning signs before anything happened. She was involved. However, not every mom can stay home.

I see women who work outside the home struggle with their children because they basically have only the weekends to get to know their child. They have to get information and tips from the daycare providers on what to do with their kids. Those people know their kids better than them. This, of course, is only my opinion, but don't get me wrong I am very much for women having a choice to stay at home or work. For some women, they would not choose to stay at home and that's OK as long as it's a choice. Unfortunately most dual income households and single women do not have that choice.

Women choose to go to work to not only provide for their family, but to have more stuff that they really don't need. They also go to work because it makes them feel important and useful to society. It's a respectable status.

I initially went to work after my daughter was born because I felt good telling people my respected position title. I laughed in the faces of sloppy housewives. This false notion was fed to me by a society that took it's cue from feminists who believed they were empowering us. My husband and I wanted to make a comfortable living. It really wasn't for survival, it was to afford more things. It amazed me how easy my job was compared to the days I stayed at home with my baby. I'd sit at my desk and look at my baby's picture and think 'this is working, it's so easy'.

Just because it's easy, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Staying at home is tough, not glamorous at all. How many jobs do you get crapped on and not be able to jump in the shower when you want to and even if you did, it wouldn't matter cause you'll just get crapped on again five minutes later. I made this choice to stay home when my daughter was 5 months old. It literally cut our income in half.

But, let's take into account the single mothers who have to work. This is obviously not a choice they are given and to me, that's proof we aren't addressing a big issue. So many single moms out there and most are not given resources or know their options, but most will never have a chance to stay at home with their children if they wanted to. How can society be failing so blatantly in this- where are the feminists on this one? Yes, women can now work outside the home, but there is no financial support for single women who want to stay at home. Trust me, staying at home is not the lazy way out of working.

78% of single moms hold a job and 45% have more than one. This is a lot of time away from kids, kids who probably live in bad neighborhoods who need the most attention. Over half are at or near the poverty level. One in four babies are born to single moms. But these statistics are not only referring to poor class, but to older moms. Feminists have eased the stigma of sleeping around and having a child outside of marriage.

Feminism have encouraged women to go ahead and conceive outside of marriage, don't feel like you "need" a man to have a child, easing the stigma of women sleeping around behaving like men at their worst. The focus is on individualism and not needing a partner to raise a child or not having to "put up with" irreconcilable differences is a feminist pursuit.

Long ago feminists groups fought for women having a choice to work outside the home. They fought for women to be individuals and have a voice. Women felt devalued and unappreciated as a stay-at-home mom so of course working outside the home made them feel worthy and better about themselves. I know, I was one of those. Suppose feminists fought to make stay-at-home a more respected position so some of the women looking for validation wouldn't have to go outside the home seeking it. Feminists gave women the choice, but also confirmed that staying at home is a lesser pursuit.

Work and Family: Feminists failed the balancing act

I see the family unit as the glue in our society and I don't see feminists fighting to keep that intact. It's just more focus on politics and individualism. The fact that feminists pushed for women to thrive as men do in our society was ill-conceived. The notion of a balance has never come to fruition. A more substantial gain in the feminist corner would have been to have women thrive as women in society. For women to be seen as valuable because of the unique feminine qualities and talents that women have to offer (besides looks).

While there are feminist topics of importance such as discovering yourself as a woman and embracing those traits, these are highly individual, somewhat New Age or metaphysical, rather than benefiting women on a whole in society. A woman may find her 'inner woman' at home, but once she is at work, she is in a man's world. This is a struggle I see in women nowadays who almost seem to live different lives, too many different roles. At work they perform as a man, at home they need to be mommy, on their own they are trying to rediscover what it means to be a woman, but it is lost once they set foot outside the door into society.

When will I be happy?

Probably never. Hey, I'm honest. As long as we try to beat men at being like men, we'll lose the battle. Hell, we don't even fight battles the same way to begin with. Most of the issues surrounding women's rights could be resolved if women were as physically powerful as men and men decided to be subordinate to women. This isn't going to happen- we're different and should be celebrated as such.

For either man or woman, one must respect the other as they are and for their specific traits just to tolerate them and live happily together. Men have a deeper inherent need to be dominant than women so the focus should still be on not overtaking one sex, but respecting the other. I know dominant women and they are endlessly exhausted because it isn't truly what a woman is. I think feminists today believe in female superiority when neither sex should ultimately be regarded as superior.

I believe many men, especially the abusive and mentally ill, will always disrespect a woman because they have in the back of their mind the realization that they are physically stronger. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out and usually the dumbest will in fact use it. It's like kicking the dog- man will always have woman to vent frustrations and feelings of powerlessness onto. I have so many examples of this randomly taking place in my own life just within society, it would blow your mind.

We will always have these issues because of man's ability to overpower a woman physically. If physical strength is seen as the ultimate strength to be measured by then that's not the battle we should be fighting. Instead of beating men at their own game, let's make our own rules and measure strength in our own way.

Of course women are not the only victims. Women are filing for divorce as often if not more than men. Women are becoming increasingly educated as they outnumber men who graduate college. Women have certainly found a step up in society. So should feminists want total equality and to be treated the same as men? This is such an impossible notion for me to wrap my head around because we are simply...different. So when will feminists be happy is the true question.

While there are feminist topics of importance such as discovering yourself as a woman and embracing those traits, these are highly individual, somewhat New Age or metaphysical, rather than effecting women on a whole in society. A woman may find her 'inner woman' in the privacy of her home, but once she is at work, she is in a man's world. This is a struggle I see in women nowadays who almost seem to live different lives. At work they perform as a man, at home they need to be mommy, on their own they are trying to rediscover what it means to be a woman sans various outside roles, but this is where is see the imbalance in society. I don't believe it is right to expect a woman to be ten different people to fit into various aspects of her life. As a strong woman, that's my fight.

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mjfarns 4 years ago from Bloomington, Illinois USA

As a the son of a feminist and someone who went to the college in the ultra-politically correct 1990s, I definitely agree with your thesis. Feminism is a lot like any good idea: when it starts, it's great, but then individuals agendas start to emerge and the original message becomes just one more thing that can be negotiated in the pursuit of political power.


Jeanine 4 years ago

Very nice, I think part of the challenge lies in that women raise their boys and girls differently... I have boys and there is nothing like the relationship between mom and son... partly because we fell for their father and there is the hope that we can finally change him like we thought we could when we were younger...the model so to speak... also as we look at the girls we often say, I know exactly why she is doing that because I was like that when I was her age... is that true or does she just look similar to what we were... I do believe women have amazing traits that will take us to running the world one day, and I think feminist see these things but have become impatient with how slowly things move... therefore, just as women have gotten their way throughout history, they begin to complain... hey it works with him at hom, so why not use it in the world... if it's a mans world... I know how to effect it...lol...lol... bitch, bitch bitch...lol...one does not see we are our own worst enemy... when we decide there is another place we can inhabit besides living in a mans world then we see another world... again the day woman sees she is in her own world will be the scariest day in history, for at that time, does she retaliate for all the abuse or does she change it and have compassion on her man and all the other men on earth...we are two becoming one, one must love in other to be strong, one must live in order to carry on... one must coporate in order to create something new... we must trust one another...


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mjfarns 4 years ago from Bloomington, Illinois USA

The questions you just raised in your comment, the philosophical conundrum, sounds to me like great raw material for a novel! You should write it. And btw, I think women have always ruled the world and always will. They have the power to alter our perception of historical icons for eternity. Exhibit A: Marilyn Monroe. Exhibit B: Monica Lewinsky. And I think you pointed out the greatest flaw in women that I have seen personally: this mistaken belief that they can "change" the man they're with to fit the the model of who they think he should be (and this model is based, without exception, on the positive impression women have of their own father or the idealized father a woman's mother told them they were supposed to have). This magical thinking that some women have has destroyed as many relationships and led to as many divorces as the magical thinking of men who are sexually unfaithful and think they will not get caught.


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TheManWithNoPants 4 years ago from Tucson, Az.

Well that's twice in two blogs, someone has suggested novel. Perhaps you should listen, and when you get the time, gitter done!

You know, we've talked about this subject, and without doing a blog here, just let me say that you know I think you have a very fresh and right on perspective on this.

It's good to see you back! Make it a habit!!

jim


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tsmog 4 years ago from Escondido, CA

Thank you, Izettl. A very good read provoking much thought. Coming to mind, first was Hegel's dialectic on Master-Slave or Slave-Master, whether of self or within (a)society(s), and next depending on view what IS family. My mind is a buzzz with history and stuff now.

I'm gon'na bookmark this and comeback again. If you discover a moment say hello to my aunt in Renton with a wave for me and I'd appreciate your thoughts on a hub A Numinous Experience


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

mjfarns- well you totally get my point and well-summed up in your comment. THanks so much for stopping by.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Jeanine~ yes, I see where you're going with this and i know your perspective. I also see the whining and complaining and I am guilty of a little too but mostly when i'm expected to be many people in one day- it's exhausting and honestly I think it was an inadvertant side effect of feminism. In a way, we wanted to be treated like men, but yet we're not men and I think most women, especially the feminists, aren't sure what would make them happy. Do we really want everything man has? yes, some do, but I would rather be respected as a woman and for the traits that are inherent to women as men should be respected, not beat down for their traits. I guess it has a lot to do with respect.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

mjfarns~ so true about changing each other rather than bringing out the best of a man or woman. I have really had to learn that lesson, but personally I am always trying to change and be better or see things differently so sometimes I think others, including men, fit into that category, but there should be a mutual respect for the traits that each sex has. I just have to leave my favorite saying here with you: men marry women hoping they won't change and women marry men hoping they will change.

I also think since the beginning of feminism women have been geared to not be happy with whatever our circumstances are and that;s why the constant complaining and belief that we must fight until we're satisfied, but no feminist put the cap on what is the end goal. What would make them happy. I am a strong woman, but have never considered myself feminist. I am strong willed mostly because of my personality not because I need to overpower specifically as a woman. Many women are having a hard time with the balance and I know they want to "do all and be all", but that's a slippery slope- kind of like, careful what you wish for.

I totally agree about what is troubling marriages- you targeted a couple of good ones; cheating and trying to change someone.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Jim~ good to see you buddy. I just love all your profile pic changes lately. Keep me guessing.

I just happened upon reading a book about girls dressing as princesses and the whole princess thing and how damaging it is, etc. It was written by a feminist so it sparked some thoughts for me about all this. Thoughts I've had for a long time and thought I'd get it out.

For one, many people think I am probably a feminist because I am a strong type of personality, but that's not the case. I was a tomboy but I absolutely don't mind my daughter dressing as a princess and teaching her to cook and all the things that might make a feminist cringe. I think women need to know that they can be strong and feminine.

Anyway, we'll connect one of these days. The rush of holidays is upon us. Just seems like it's going so fast.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

tsmog~ you always give me good food for thought and stuff I gotta go check out. What I discovered writing this hub is there is so much more thoughts about this(and history, also other topics related to it) that I could go into, but even I have to think about some of this a little more.

I really came into my own opinion about all this when i took a work/family class in college. It was a fairly objective layout of topics, history, and even views from across the world about work and family. In the U.S we often don't see beyond our way of doing things (as the only way), but there are more ways. INteresting stuff...

Renton- I was up that way couple of months ago- try to avoid it cause of traffic. But I lived near there for a couple of years until it drove me nuts. lol.


Jeanine 4 years ago

Mj... you are very kind, but then if one looks closely at men, they are responsible for the good and the bad that is present...I think that's hard for the feminist to except...

a unique thing about woman... she has the ability to adapt to almost any circumstance... I've found if one has the fortitude to encourage her for greatness.... she becomes great..... want a better wife treat her better... kinder... treat her with kindness... each husband has the wife we help grow and develop... she has an amazing ability to reflect his feelings and behavior..... so I guess my question to all men is... how's your wife...

understand... that's how some women feel... and I am a great believer in this myself...Izetti... it is perfect in that each is the opposite or the yin and yang of the situation... so we all become one really... what if we are evolving to have both traits or both sexes... I think this, because there are women who fit so perfectly into the masculine and men who fit perfectly into the feminine... two spirits so to speak... with both male and female possessing both... how else could one learn to truly respect one another unless I can feel what you've felt, learned what you've learned and even approach feeling the same pain as you've felt... then John Lennon may have said it best... "I am he and he is me and we are we and we are all together"...lol...lol... what if we all do possess both....

Jim is right you need to be here writing... you are missed when you are not around... hope you are well...


Jeanine 4 years ago

Izetti... it is about respect... one of the reasons we are in trouble at this point is, men and women both have realized and used to the fullest... man's respect for womans beauty and the intimacy package she holds ... woman has had to wield the power she has and has used man's weakness to get her way for all of time... man on the other hand has used her weakness in needing support or liking to be supported, might be a better statement, to subjugate her will to his own... both seem to have taken the low road when it comes to each others worth... we need to reboot and start again... and I think when you say I want to be loved and repected for the traits I possess is the key... peer and parental pressure has always taught us to conform... I think when we realize we shouldn't have ever conformed it is usually to late... and we have all lived at least part of our lives for someone else, or by someone elses standards... example is the child who knows or thinks she knows her parents and later finds out that they are nothing like they told her...abuse comes in so many forms we are all very close to it, and sometimes do not see we are the abused or even sometimes the abuser...even in the garden I sometimes wonder if Adam said if you give me what I want, which is more of you... I'll let you try this forbidden fruit... or Eve may have said.. if you let me try the forbidden fruit, I'll let you have more of what I have forbidden to you...lol... hey my question is, why does there have to be someone to blame... I think there in lies the challenge... we are keepers of our own destiny... so let me love you and you try to love me... for I've never met anyone like you and you have never met anyone like me.... two can become one, but when I give you all my good, if I truly give you all of me... I also give you my bad... so as we grow in humankind... we must learn to make the good our goal... for if I were you and you were me... I would love you more... and we would love eternally... I love this hub izetti... you are my fav...


jeanine 4 years ago

Mj... I am intrigued by your statement of raw material for a novel... please expound, as I look wide eyed into your face... and truly try and project my most innocent, loving concern for your masculine opinion...lol... I and I do mean that sincerely and am not punching fun... just tickled even at my own response... I do understand that it is maddening for all men to try and understand women... for we all do believe we can change any man... it is the intoxication of the beautiful flower that we possess in the privacy of our most prized flower in the garden of purity that all of womankind hold and all of mankind desires... so that being said... I am sitting, waiting patiently , with my most compassionate smile, eyes wide and and a yearning within my heart to hear your precious words... as I would with my most passionate concern for all men and your most beautiful tribe... lol...


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Jeanine~ along the lines of what you were saying in one of your comments about wanting a wife to be kinder then be kinder to her. I agree. I believe women are strong because of wonderful traits they have to offer, but I still believe a man should lead his family and if there is a problem, not to take a back seat approach to it.

I talked about respect and many men want it, in fact almost demand it, but have not acted in a way to deserve it.

When you talk about opposites and yin and yang- I agree as well. Men and women can bring out the best or the worst in each other. I see a lot of the worst. I see that many men do not want to understand women or in ways to only serve their own purposes, like how to get them in bed (wink wink).

In my own marriage I struggled with losing my identity since I took off from working outside the home to be with my little one. I was a master of my domain at work and went home to lose all of that. My husband goes to work and wants to be master of the home domain as well. I feel connected to the home because I work and live here so I feel things should be geared around the woman at home- let me cook the way I want to, let me offer advice about the child because I'm with her 24/7, let me decorate and organize, etc. I wish men would let women utilize whatever strengths inherent in them and use to an advantage, not something that they reject or feel threatened by.

Yes, we do need to reboot and start again. I think there is a fear of letting women utilize their strengths, for fear we may "take over". This has been put in our heads by feminists as well. If we worked together with our strengths then man and woman would be glorious together. I hear so often, and even in my own marriage, that women ish their husband was more of a partner in their life. I talked about feminists suggesting women don't need men and this also comes from men believing they don't need women other than for the intimate stuff.


Jeanine 4 years ago

Oh my... this last paragraph rings so true...there is a way that we take the best of the feminist and the best of man's passion for woman learn to listen to each other and instantly we create something new... simply because no one is pursuing this side of the idea...

I am in agreement that it is the wife's domain if she is home... and many of us are happy to be wives and be taught what our husbands might like.... but the choice and the design should definitely be in our hands... after all he is our choice... but right there is where I think the idea is born that women have a right or a need or the ability to change men into what they see as a great partner or husband...


Jeanine 4 years ago

Yes I have a wonderful counterpart... and there is an honest effort to be partners... when we started as youngsters we were committed but I think it was the trials we have faced together that has tempered a real partnership... how we handled large events in our lives seems to have melted the two of us into each other at certain times in our history... a death of life and death seems to have paired us together... we walked alongside others who were facing the same pain but we always seemed to choose a different option than the rest... so by now we run in harness petty well... there are some moments where the practical over come the passion for a short time... so they are fun to look at and hold and explore...

He only wants to be master because of his youth, he will learn that being master is to agree to what's best... and what's best is not always what is the easiest for men to do... they always want to be right... such a strange thing that is... the need to be right... where does that come from... is that the playground thing that we used to giggle at while we watched them sweat... lol... joking but it does resemble that behavior... a little...lol...lol


Jeanine 4 years ago

a dance of life and death.... I meant to say...lol... sorry...lol


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Jeanine~ I've learned that men want to be right like they're personally winning the Super Bowl for their team. It's a big deal to them and my husband can't believe that when I disagree or argue that it's not to be right, it's to be heard and understood. To be heard and understood feels as though we too offer some value to the relationship, to the partnership. If we don't get that then we can feel as if we have no purpose to a man other than rearing children and/or sex. I think feminism started with women who wanted to be valued for things other than what I mentioned above, but wouldn't it be nice to also be valued for those things as well and everything else a woman has to offer besides those. In a perfect world...

I really take to heart what you said about making it throuh some major things in life to form a stronger bond and relationship. It's true. My husband and I have been through a lot both before we met and since we've been married. He is the best during those times and that's what counts. When my arthritis was bad, to have my husband do the simple things that I could not do or help me with the most basic things, it meant the world to me. I had never been that dependent on someone since I relied on my mom when I was really little and couldn't do much by myself.


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Robwrite 4 years ago from Bay Ridge Brooklyn NY

Hi Izetti; Excellently written and well-thought out hub. Very well articulated. I agree with what you say. This whole concept of beating-men-by-becoming-just-like-men is flawed and illogical. They can't find a cultural and spiritual identity by immitating the very people they've been railing against.

Over-reacting to trivial things makes the concept of feminism look petty. For example, a few weeks back, I was discussing a meek fellow I knew and I said that he was happy to let his wife be the boss of the house. I was then accused by a woman of being sexist and 'stuck-in-the-past' for suggesting that women can only be the boss when a man lets her. I just shook my head. What a pointless thing to get mad about! Save the indignant anger for when it's really necessary.

Wanting to be the best-of-both-worlds doesn't leave much middle ground to find an identity. Trying to be the perfect single supermom at home and the stone-cold corporate raider who beats all the competition at work...going to those extremes doesn't allow for any place for a woman to find a comfortable medium.

Very well done hub.

Rob


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Rob~ your first paragraph there is so true. It's so strange to me too...and I'm a woman!!

Yes, petty is definitely the word I'd use. I've been accused of being both a feminist and also been hammered by feminists- so there's no winning. Yes, I'm a strong woman, but I can't agree much with feminists. On the other side of the coin, I've been attacked by feminists for things too. What you're saying about the lady is basically what I try to believe is; pick your battles. Not everything need be a battle and my point is that feminists haven't gotten much headway in the last couple of decades, mostly because of tackling petty stuff.

I see women robbed of their happiness trying to be someone they aren't. It's led us down a path of trying to do it all and nothing truly gets done well.

Thanks for stopping by Rob.


jeanine 4 years ago

reality is "if anything matters everything matters" the shack....so I beg to differ if women get anything done then something is getting done...lol...lol... I believe woman is coming to terms with her abilities just now... in these days I mean... and unless more of you and your tribe speak up the agenda will be rules by the simple minded and petty... there are no bad women... you are all worth while just different... you consider the rest of human kind... whereas long ago so did man... yet life became so tenacious that most men were overwhelmed... resorting to violence even against their own families... the most despicable thing that could ever happen to man... and it did... we let our anger over come us... so goes the rule of man on this planet... his demise is assured along as he can not control anger... it's the reason we are all talking about it... there is a cross road just ahead... when woman thinks maturely about why man is angry... closer... look deep within your heart.... it 's because he sees her and wished he could be more like her and less like himself... "She said ... try not to embrace anger.... it steals moments from your life... takes fire from your eyes.... places trash in your mouth.... promotes stupidity... anger... a twisted side of passion...."

Understand, he is angry because he knows one day she'll look at who she really is... Izetti... you are this kind of divine gift... your pain so plain to see... you laughter so complete... I love women... and I love men for all the beautiful things we both are... just think one day soon ... man will have the opportunity to behold what is beautiful in the world... remember each of us is as beautiful as each other... one just needs to take the time and explore...


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Wow you guys (mostly Iz and Jean) seem to have a lot to say on this. I'm hearing that you both think there's still a long way to go in the world as far as women are concerned. I find myself being very appreciative of my parents. My take on how they approached their marriage was really a partnership. I didn't see one or the other as being the ONE who wore the pants in the relationship. From my childlike point of view they discussed stuff that I suppose were issues and rarely yelled at each other. They had disagreements of course. But thinking back, my memory remembers them having the thing I wish my marriage had more of. The ability to respectfully compromise or AT LEAST not subject the kids to a loud yelling match over stupid things. Those might be the same thing. Ha ha ha...

Anyway I don't know if its me or the middle class circles I run in, but I don't know anyone who looks down on stay at home moms. From my limited point of view of the people I went to college with it seems to me that a large percentage of women I knew in college are stay at home moms. I'm talking 30 - 50% of them. That's very subjective I know to think that's a lot, but it just seems to me an awful lot of money to spend on an education when your only goal is to meet a guy who will support you and your kids. I hope it isn't just me that thinks it's a huge waste of money to treat college as a match making service!!! MAYBE its just me but it seems to me anyone that goes to college should WANT to put that expensive education to good use... I guess it is a free country though. :-)

Anyway I'm getting off track... Bottom line is I just can't see its so hard for people to define themselves as what their roles in life really are. You are a machinist, or a salesperson, or a manager, or a PARENT. Your gender/sex is NOT part of your role in life. Obviously being a woman will cause you to seek different solutions and strategies than a man and vice versa, but in general your sex doesn't define you.

Really good Hub Iz. Very thought provoking.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Jeanine~ great comment and very well said. As a woman it seems whoever gets the angriest wins and we wonder why society is made up of bullies and wars. Women in general can't comprehend quick to react anger, there are those that get angry like men, and it hurts their life more than anger hurts a man;s life. Man has used anger to his advantage. Women need to use their brains for the long term advantage.


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Thing is, anger is the unintelligent/immature way to win the battle. We all know its bad communicating to get angry. The result is that it limits or stops the GOOD communication from happening.

I suppose the only legitimate time to use anger is with a child and that can be wrong most of the time ALSO.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Lapse~ ideally a marriage and parenting should be like a partnership- I think many people strive for that in a marriage. You were lucky to witness that with your parents. I had a couple of friends that went to college just to get educated so they could meet a successful man and talk smart enough for him. Crazy isn't it? I think back to my reason for going to college and it was because I didn't want to have to depend on a man. I wanted a relationship to be totally natural, not co-dependent, not staged like the women that knew. What's ironic is I met my husband in college but didn't marry him until I graduated a few years later.

You mentioned a tough aspect of my life and that is being educated and a former career woman, but now a stay-at-home mom ( I work part-time at home but nothing to brag about). I'm not sure if being identified by our sex would make that easier on women to be a home mom and be recognized as valuable in society, but I'll tell you I got a lot more recognition as a career woman. THis all goes along with what you say that we're identified by our career positons and home moms certainly aren't glorified so I can see why many women choose a recognizeable caeer rather than motherhood.

I think feminists are tackling the wrong things and it's turned quite political- that's too bad. That is also why women will not be appreciated in general for what they have to offer. We will still be competing against men, and similar to them. Right now our society responds to anger. The media loves it too. I think it's also why congress sits around forever not being able to come to any plans or conclusions about things- men aren't naturally inclined to solve things by talking it out- lol. War is what men understand. That last part is a stretch but it could have some validity who knows. Thanks again for making me think.


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Robwrite 4 years ago from Bay Ridge Brooklyn NY

Hi Izetti; I agree totally with what you say about competing against men and having to be similar to them. It seems like only male virtues are recognized as virtues these days. (I just wrote a hub about how women are protrayed with male virtues in films.) When will society learn to appreciate the virtues that women have to offer?

Rob


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I'll have to go check out your hub. One thing that's changed a lot in movies is more women being older with younger men or being the adulterer, etc. These aren't even virtues.


jeanine 4 years ago

I believe we are defined by our gender whether we want to be or not. Women are marginalized if they do stay home.. what good does she do for the whole, I think is the sentence I have heard...she raises his children and tries to make him happy..."oh what a nice wife"...lol... and they didn't leave you guys out either... each time you go into the room marked "gentlemen" is not meant as a compliment, it first started out as a room for men that didn't want to embarass women by their vulgar ways of relieving themselves... "oh he is a gentle man"...lol.. which in a wild West, rock em sock em, saloon filled little town in the middle of nowhere on the great plains of America, is not the guy, "Miss Kitty" fell in love with...lol... Lapse most men say what you do about anger, but behind closed doors I believe you guys all are angry inside... again I believe it's because most men are taught as boys to hold their emotions in... all women know that a good cry every once in a while is good for the soul... eve Jesus wept... but noooooo... not real men right... give me a break... we are all defined by what society believes about each of our genders... can we un-define or redefine what society has deemed as woman and man... I think that's what the feminist started out to do... somehow it hasn't turned out though... and I believe just like men, women are corrupted by power... when the womens movement started . we just wanted to vote, but as soon as we organized, it was katy bar the door... "hey we can get this and this and this done"...lol... Ex. Don't believe we are defined by what society believes about gender, look at transsexuals as a group... izzettl you know about this group... every female to male trans is over joyed at how much freedom and respect his new body commands, every male to female trans is stunned at how little respect her new body commands.... it's worst for him, because he was already angry as a man... now it escalates into the unbearable... there are flaws in feminism but thank God for these brave women... I didn't notice the men joyously giving up any of their rights or talking about equality when it came to woman...I think at the turn of the century the joke was... "my God my wife wants to vote, I wonder if she would actually know what the issues are... the right to vote or be equal is the issue... dumb ass...lol... "don't make me open a can of Whop Ass"...lol... if men do not like women always complaining then wake up... she knows how to affect living in a mans world... bitch, bitch, bitch...lol...

"a unique thing about woman... the ability to adapt to almost any circumstance... if one has the fortitude to encourage her to be great, she becomes great... if I want a better wife, treat her better... kinder, treat her with kindness... each man has the wife he helped grow and develop... she has an amazing ability to reflect our feelings and behavior..... so I guess my question to all men is... how's your wife"...


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

There is so much hypocrisy and irony about staying at home versus being a working mom. I certainly didn't feel that paper pushing was making a difference in the world when I worked- it was mundane and the exact feeling I got was opposite of making a difference. As a stay at home mom my greatest satisfaction is making a difference to my children for sure- this is priceless to them. But as a former career woman it is tough not to get external reward. This is why I wished society and feminists would concentrate on women actually having a choice and society accepting them as either working outside the home or inside and still being valued.

However, I think we are more defined by what we (for a living/work) do than by gender. Even when I was a waitress I felt like I made a difference to people more than when I had a better career and position later. But being a waitress isn't as highly esteemed. Although I know I changed some lives for sure.

GREAT point about the feelings of a male to female in their new body and so true- I've seen this firsthand.

"if I want a better wife, treat her better... kinder, treat her with kindness... each man has the wife he helped grow and develop... she has an amazing ability to reflect our feelings and behavior..... so I guess my question to all men is... how's your wife". You know I couldn't love this statement any more than I do already- I LOVE it! Women respond to kindness whereas it seems many men expect it and take it, but don't necessarily return it. It means so much to a woman and most will give back tenfold.


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

jeanine...

I can cry. And you made me cry after reading that beat down of a guy bashing rant... ***sniff sniff*** :-)

I might adapt to this stressful situation but you say women have are unique in having that ability. JOKING! Lol... but not really. :-)

How's my wife? You mean I was supposed to be able to "grow and develop" mine??? Then I think I got one that was returned to the shop cause she is really set in her ways!!! :-) ...unless I'm really deluded as much as you think most of us guys are...or mine isn't the "most" izettle refers to... OR??? I'm actually the woman in the relationship?!?!? OMFG...


jeanine 4 years ago

yes... you could be her bitch after all...lol... hey I'm so sorry about the beat down...did I make him cry...lol... poor baby... I love men actually... just wished y'all played fair when it came to the pay... I do love what you've guys built except for the wars and the no health care macho thing... I love some of it though... that wall st thing is fun and working hard is fun... which I think is a mans thing...lol...


TheNewCinders 4 years ago

Don't forget for the large part feminism IS a good idea and is still only beginning to make changes. Don't let strident, extremist feminists ruin what is a very good point to make - we are all humans and equal as people even though we each have something different to contribute to our own personal worlds.

And watch those Disney Princesses...they are a dangerous crowd conditioning girls to expect beauty and wealth to mean happily ever after! I love them - but they make me want perfection which is never gonna happen!! :)

BTW I love your writing!


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Maybe you could talk to her and tell her how to develop me better??? :-)

Half of war is over religion, half is over power, and don't forget half the wars were started OVER women! Yea my fractions are off but ignore that. If only you guys weren't so damned hot! Maybe you should take your share of the blame. :-) Half of it!!! Marriage gives you rights to half. It all makes sense!


jeanine 4 years ago

I'm sure you are developed quite nicely... and remember to do everything she ask... lol... it will be easier on you in the end...lol... and yes your factions seem a little off but your tone is endearing so I'll over look the math...lol... it's always about your tone... you know that... woman is never to blame... do not collect 200 dollars and do not pass go... lol... some wars were started and stated that they were about a woman... but you and I both know that are about that little thing... well maybe not so little in your case called ego...lol... nice huh... hope you have a great thanksgiving... and New Cinders is right Feminism started out right and we just have to make a few adjustments... maybe chemical castration... oh no... I din't say that...lol... I just thought it loudly...


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Woman is never to blame? Oh... why do I feel like you're trying to brainwash me? Do everything she asks... umm ok. :-)


jeanine 4 years ago

not brainwash... just wash you...lol...oh my ... no I din't say that out loud...... who me I would never want you do do something against your will... lol... have a good thanksgiving... izettl... sorry i got off topic... it was His fault... lapse i mean... he distracted me on purpose...lol...lol... thanks for the read...


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

NewCinders~ points well taken. I agree with you on some of them for sure. It's always the extremists we hear about- making the headlines. My traits as a woman go unnoticed by many because I am a stay-athome mom, but because of that title nobody would know my past of being great at a former career, 4.0 college graduate, etc... you know what I'm talking about. I just don't think women should be downplayed when they take on a role that is significantly a woman's role. We should be allowed dignity in all roles.

I'm not anti-princess in any way, but I see your point on that. Parents play a huge role in that. I'm not going to keep my daughter from watching it as some feminists do. My daughter has a mind of her own and will play sword fighting or catch frogs while wearing a princess dress. So many women in our society foot the bill for freeloading men and I wish more women did expect a man to sweep her off her feet and provide...maybe not riches to the extreme but I don't think women are epxecting enough from men in the way they are treated.That's been sliding for several decades now and it goes along with feminist movements. The problem is women are now in a position of having to work even if they want to be with their kids- more single moms, more men not working, and more pressure for women to do it all because feminists fought for women being able to do it all. What pressure and less freedom.


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Lapse and Jeanine~ Happy THanksgiving by the way!

Women are better at mind-reading than men because, as I mentioned, more motivation. Women can be manipulative- that's a weakness but used as a strength just as men use their physical power- both can be for good or bad or just plain survival.

Lapse I've had to learn to "accept" a man into my life. I'm not a feminist but I am a strong woman, however I can see how some women rule the roost. Many go to work and use their power there then go home and rule their home that way too. When working in a man's world all day, it is difficult to be a woman when you come home. Since men and women are sharing so many roles from rearing kids to careers, there seems to always be an unbalance of power and role confusion in the home. I have this with my husband. He wants to be king of his home but I also want control over how the home is decorated and organized, how food is cooked. My power hunger is mostly because my role changed from hiring and firing people to staying at home and dealing with children and a lack of recognotion for my stay-at-home job. I also work part-time from home business freelance writing, but in the man's world I was used to, I don't get the recognition anymore. Hence, women should be celebrated for roles they are good at too- like being a mommy. There is still a perception of at home moms being lazy or having it easy- I wish I had their children cause my day is not easy. I suspect it could have something to do with "Married with Children" TV show and Mrs. Bundee sitting around eating BonBons all day. lol.


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I'm with you but would you agree that one could break EVERY conflict down to bad communication and/or an unwillingness to compromise? Both of which is the sign of an unintelligent, immature, and/or impatient person? Not that I do it right every time because I don't, but why can't couples discuss issues at home better? Why are some people so unwilling to let go of their preconceived ideas of how the marital roles of each spouse should be? All relationships are fluid and evolving systems which so many men and women enter into KNOWING that their partner is an intelligent person deserving of respect and compassion and THEN they go right ahead and STILL attack issues by ignoring that intelligence and right to receive respect. People cling to assumptions and stereotypes on what they expected the other one's actions and behaviors should be to them. And they then think that yelling and insulting the other will eventually get them what they want? That's just ignorant.

How can someone not realize that when you get your way through forcing (physical or force of will such as nagging) your spouse into submission on an issue through whatever means that you create resentment and respect is lost.

Unless fast action is required due to imminent loss of life or damage to property should yelling or brute force ever be the answer? I say no. This is a fault of both sexes really.

I'm just on my soap box here... I think we're all on the same page really, we just look at the problem from different angles and have different contexts on different issues.


jeanine 4 years ago

Happy Thanksgiving.... I think the communicate gap is there because it's to scary to find out what's deep inside of the person we married... most of us see certain trait that we find attractive... Almost all of us make assumptions of why a person is the way they are.. He is kind and sensitive so it must be because he has a handle on his temper, which doesn't mean that at all, it could mean he is suppressing his own desires to find someone who he can live with... both men and women do it all the time... real love is cultivated over a long period of time, trust and forgiveness, acceptance trumps almost everything. We who do not get recognition for being home and running it well, carry a certain angst because of the baggage, what she thought of the housewife within herself. Men do the same thing, I know very successful men who haven't made it to the position that they feel they should and it's as if they did nothing... their business is big but not as big as they wanted so, they get depressed... size matters, not just to women but to men also. For most stay at home dads the same thing happens to the relationship, he feels taken for granted just as she does, and early stats show, if the wife is making 75k or above, she is apt to start to fix her relationship next. So with either sex, no matter male or female, the home position is low on the list of respect. communication or the lack there of is the challenge. I think if we talk then we start to respect, what each of us bring to the table. I knew a divorced man who married a very successful woman, but he wanted her to stay home with his young child, he had lost his wife to cancer, but the baby had survived. The woman decided she would do it, but presented him a bill of how much it would cost him if she didn't accept his offer. And it was quite a lot. He agreed to pay that each year and so she came home and not only raised his child but had two others with him. They are still together today, but she was not going to do it free and lose her position in the market place. Extreme but for them it worked.


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

Interesting story. I like that the woman intelligently decided what she thought it would take for her to get on board with her fiance's plan then she disclosed it up front and said "take it or leave it." He probably thought about it and decided he could live with it and they both held each other to the plan.

It sounds so clinical but it was SO smart despite that! I think more couples need to sit down at the BEGINNING of the union and discuss their thoughts on where they want to see things go. Maybe even make it more of an annual physical. Gotta be on the same page!!!


jeanine 4 years ago

Sometimes clinical is the best when we are considering our own feelings... communication is always the key to any door... did you mean to say intelligently or intellectually... I think intellectually is what applies to women... instead of an intelligent women... most are intelligent... thank you...lol... L...lol... and you are probably right when he considered the cost... it was worth it to him to spend the dollar and know he had the best... he had their mother to be close to them... and because she stood up for herself actually feels better about him and herself... I like that annual physical thing... ooo lah lah...lol... I can get on the same page uh huh uh huh...lol...lol...


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

What an interesting conversation...


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Lapse~ The only thing that seems to be working with my husband and I and the issue of communication is going to regular counseling- once every month or two just for relationship maintenance, not because there are immediate problems but he undercommunicates and I overcommunicate so getting together with someone else ( a counselor, pastoral counelor,etc) really helps. There are so many changes throughout a relationship that it's impossible to sit down ahead of time and figure it out, even though I think premarital counseling or sitting down for the basics are a great idea. But our lives changed so much in unexpected ways that everything we sat down about has gone right out the window. I agree with getting updated on where a couple stands on things regularly in the marriage.


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Lapse 4 years ago from East Coast Rules

I think that counselor is smart of you guys. We need to do that ourselves sooner and not later. I can totally relate to that over/under communicating! I wonder if people should schedule that semi annually. :-) It has become cliché that relationships take lots of work, but then no one gives you easy answers on how to do that. Its like your car. Lots of people know a little bit about keeping their vehicle in good condition like changing the oil. But its not enough to fix anything significant when you break down! Hey I like that analogy! Marriages like cars should get "periodic maintenance!"


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I hear people say marriage takes a lot of work but many don't put that work in. When they refer to work I think they're talking about how much they "put up with" (tolerate) but wouldn't it be nice to be proactive in the relationship and have regular maintenance to fix things before years go down the road and it's bigger problems and more mess so that people just end up walking away, not knowing what else to do. We do regular maintenance with our cars and our health (bodies) so why not marriages!?!


jeanine 4 years ago

I have been in love for 42 years and married for almost 39 years... I have the great pleasure of living 24/7 with my love and that is an amazing thing... what it has done for us is make us aware that everything matters... try not to nick at one another even if you are just playing... it still hurts... and hurt unattended causes fractures, fractures causes buckling, buckling causes separations, and separations cause painful out comes... I think divorce is a new word... maybe 10,000 years old... try not to use it... it carries massive hurt and pain... we have found if every time one of us needs to talk, we stop and talk no matter how each of us feel about whether we should or not... we decided long ago that we would gift each other that one gift... the most precious gift of all... communication....

I fall short, telling her how I feel...walking by... I can't help but notice her gate... I recognize her laugh in the crowd... her fragrance compliments each garden as she walks...there just ahead.... Her wisdom... although unconventional... is a place, for me to convene....I'm in forty years...I still sigh.. catching my breathe. .. clueless on becoming one...with the one...that's been the most beautiful one.... to me...


SanXuary 4 years ago

The double standard is probably the worst part of the argument. Nailing a guy for child support is a given but being a man and getting child support is almost useless. How do you get anything from a woman on welfare with three more kids? Being an ex husband your treated like dirt even if she claims her latest kid is not yours. The court systems are so bias towards men in all cases that involve women or children. That even if you our a male and a single parent that you have no rights to even protect your children from a crazy woman. In the work place women can discriminate all day and a male has no choice but to take it. I am not talking sexual harassment that would be more favourable then just some woman who thinks she can say anything a male could never get away with saying. None the less every woman should earn as much as any man and should be allowed to do anything a man does.


jeanine 4 years ago

Oh Sanxuary, I am so sorry you got hurt... sometimes when that divorce faucet goes on everyone gets wet... I agree that both men and women abuse power in the work place... men sometimes because they don't know any better, women sometimes to get back at what they perceive as abuse from years of working for men... we all need to grow up and realize we are from the same tribe... and you are right, the courts are behind in that they are still making judgments on how things were between men and women years ago in the work place... keep your chin up buddy, things are changing...


SanXuary 4 years ago

I never got hurt but I have seen it all. When I read the latest suicide in the paper I wonder who really killed them. I have seen strong men lose their minds and give up all hope because they were not strong enough to live in a selfish World. We create our own monsters but for those who believe in a good decent life its a crap shoot and no one grows up until its to late. What is best for the kids is protecting the family. What is good for everyone today is a vast program of Government programs of endless jobs and money to finance a legal system of legal harassment intended to make everyone a victim. We fail to educate people on life and my calling card is sanctuary. Build it in yourself, your home and every where you go. Good Luck


gallantgesture 4 years ago

All men are males but not all males are men. Real men are unselfish lovers and faithful to the women they love if you have a male who cares nothing for blow jobs, can give you multiple orgasms to his one and steals your panties to sniff them thinking of you at work, you have a man. My wife knows what turns me on isn't what most men desire but it is that sweet smell of innocence mixed with a touch of naughtiness and delightful excitement that gives me a long time sexual prowess when we play stick it in. But women listen this is coming from a man, there are not too many guys who if given a choice of 10 billion dollars but the only way to get this wealth you can't have sexual relations with females ever again, how many men would pick the billions, none. What you have you can devalue gold if used that power can over take the greed in males.A pretty wife with an ample behind and helpful nature that is in love with me, I hit the lottery. Just don't look down on all of us.


jeanine 4 years ago

I do understand that part of man, as I have a known a few men who are truly unselfish... but these were men of plenty... not all were men of money, but all were men of great wealth... each had his own worth... a woman will always take the billion.... just because of the need for security.... I do believe you are right about men giving it all for a fat bottom girl...lol.. and I don't look down on any of you... I appreciate the beauty of man... yet have become aware through the years that as you say, "Man has no power over the testosterone drive that seems to occupy his very being"... from adolessense to the grave... man is generally on the hunt...to mate... and as beautiful as that is... and sexy to almost every young woman on earth... it is also sad for all of us... for the insatiable desire to find physical satisfaction, it really has appeared to dumb him down more than the majority of women would have imagined... and that's where it may have sounded condescending... for that I am truly sorry... I just that woman will have to take a more active role from here on out to lead the world to financial freedom and to lead the world to a place of peace... man is generally reckless when it comes to spending and always likes playing war from when he is a small boy to the present day... those two things as men and women must be addressed if we are to survive as the human race...that's all I'm saying hun... no offense on my part intended...


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LauraGT 4 years ago from MA

Thanks for the honest and interesting article. I've always thought of myself as a feminist, but as a part-time working mom, I do wonder how the advances made in the ability of women to work have negatively impacted women's happiness overall. There is still a lot of work to be done - women are still paid less than men and sexism still leads to horrible outcomes like rape and abuse AND I think we need to address how to enable women to truly make choices that make them happy (not just choices that they feel forced into by society and family). A long way to go, although I would caution not to throw out the baby with the bathwater - we're better off as a society due to the feminist movement. Let's just try to iron out the fallout of the unintended consequences that come with any major cultural shift!


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

LauraGT~ Thank you for the comment. Having choices is the best outcome women could hope for.I don't think feminism has accomplished that but rather put us another role that many women are stuck in and that's having to work outside of home. You brought up some great points. thanks.


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Darkproxy 4 years ago from Ohio

Have I got a feminist story for you, my stepmother molested me and her lawyer said that I seduced her because all men at any age want sex. In anycase what my stepmother and htat laywer did to me damaged every relationship I've ever had with a woman. I've seen so many feminist tell me how I'm just a deviation from the norm in abuse when I've done the research and discovered I'm the norm


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izettl 4 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Darkproxy~ people don't know its the norm because of shame or people who experience it don't want to tell anyone. Your story is a perfect example of what's wrong with many gender sterotyping aspects of society. I don't think feminism has helped. Thank you for sharing and might I add I hope you find gthe positives of relationships and find someone who can help you work through it. My husband was molested by a babysitter and it has taken him almost a lifetime to work through it, but you can.


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Darkproxy 4 years ago from Ohio

thanks izettl, hey what do you think of the feminists obsession with murdering all men? I wrote about it in my own piece here


Sam 3 years ago

@ Darkproxy

thanks izettl, hey what do you think of the feminists obsession with murdering all men? I wrote about it in my own piece here

And that my friend is the main reason why I don't trust feminists because some of them call for male extermination. After all the misandry that I have seen and heard feminists do I don't trust feminists I don't care how badly abused some of them may have been you don't ever make threats about exterminating another group of people that is completely inexcusable there is nothing good that could ever come out of something so evil. Anyone who talks about exterminating another group of people is truly an inhumane monster.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

@sam you should reab my essay on feminism extermination craze


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

Well Sam my essay really isn't about abuse more so it just uncovers the sick side that feminists have


Sam 3 years ago

@Darkproxy

Well I have a lot more reasons then that. The reasons that I just gave you are only the tip of the iceberg. And yes I to have seen the ugly side of feminism. It also never ceases to amaze me how blind feminists are to the systematic discrimination they are causing men they keep on saying there is no sexism towards men and yet everyday the say and do things that if it were about women it would immediately be labeled sexist. If sexism really only came from men it would not be called sexism it would be called manism or womanism I think any feminist who says there is no sexism towards men is either ignorant or a liar.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Don't get me started on feminists. Like I stated in this hub- what they stood for in past was great. yes women should vote and work if they want to, etc. but now feminists is an ugly word and ugly world of manhaters.


Sam 3 years ago

Do you think women are still treated like second class citizens as some women say. I am just curious I ave no love for feminists but I do believe in equality.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Firsthand, I know that women desperately wanted in the workforce, got there, and now many ccompanies do not know how to accommodate working mothers without sacrifcing something to do with the business operations. The success in women working would be for businesses truly accpeting mothers, which they typically don't. So when it comes to the workforce, it is still a man's world (maybe this means wome nare second-class) and it leads to women acting like men at work and sacrificing their families. The work-family life balance does not exist in the U.S- other countries have a better understanding of this than we do in U.S.

I don't believe in equality- bottom line, people are not all equal. Men and women are not equal nor should be. But they are equally needed and beneficial. They both have inherant qualities that make them different yet beneficial to each other. However, we have women trying more than ever to be like men and I think it will push us back in society because men are now put in a position of fighting for being themselves without feeling women want to take over or dominate.

Personally, I get a lot of backlash from men in general. I was driving in my car one day with my daughter and I let a man driving cut in front of me but later down the road he comes to a complete stop and I have no idea why but it looks like I might be rear ended from someone else so I honk at him. He proceeds to turn around look in my car and notice (I'm a woman by myself with a child) and gets out of his car to come threaten me...in the middle of the street. No way he would have done that had my husband been with me. I noticed couple of guys walking in middle of parking lot and they noticed a car coming (mine) they turned around and looked right at me and proceeded to walk down the middle of the road so I couldn't drive. This happens all the time and I know some blacks would have the same complaints too, but honestly I believe it would happen less if blacks didn't push the notion of racism in whites faces (for example) or women/feminists push their agenda in men's faces.

If women lose their other abilities and things to offer as women, then we will increasingly become objectified as only having one use to men...sex. The very thing feminists don't want to happen will be what will happen... because of them.


Sam 3 years ago

This was once an exclusive group of people who originally stood against that type of hypocrisy. Some of the issues they've chosen in recent years are petty and idle, a disgrace to serious issues that face women as a whole. Many generations ago feminism stood for dignity in being a woman. They were not trying to get or take anything from any other group, but now much of feminist thoughts and agendas focus on taking from other groups to achieve their goals.

A few issues that some feminists focus on that I find somewhat pathetic are 1 some radical feminists want to change the way people have sex because they think that penatration is dominating and unequal and they want to make it more humane they call it 2 some lesbian feminists may oppose pro-creation because they think that motherhood roles are a social construct supposedly to give women gender roles and 3 some lesbian feminists say that eroticism (although I am not sure in what sense they mean) is male identified (they call it a more cleansed version of lesbianism or something like that). How are these serious problems for women how can sex get any more humane then it is now (when consensual) how is pro-creation a problem when nature has designed us and almost every living creature on earth to do that and how exactly is eroticism male identified don't women feel that to. How exactly are these problems we see other living things do these things all the time isn't it only natural for humans to do those things if we were not then why did nature design us to do these things nature does not make mistakes.


Jeanine 3 years ago

Actually all politics go to the lowest common ground... so in the end you have no one of integrity running the movement... or parties as in congress... you have a lower value being propagated to the masses... I was there many generations ago... that sounds so funny to me... actually it would be more human for the woman Sam... if we didn't have to be expected to give it up... maybe we could be more giving in our creative ideas to help you solve the problems of war and famine... How we might feel so little pressure from the male that we would put forth our ideas of peace and the ability to teach love... as we taught you... and although I definitely see the worth in a beautiful mans opinion from a beautiful man like yourself... you words are very comforting to say the least when my Alpha flower is in bloom.... mmmmm .... and although your words stir that inner most sensual feelings that every red blooded American girl has felt, I can see where the feminist thought comes from... you can see it also , right dear... 2 Lesbiens love children just as you do sweet heart... they just don't love them the same way as you... for example they don't put judgements on them for their creative behavior... and that includes sensual behaviors as well.... not quite so purtian... I'm sure you don't have a bias either except when it comes to behavior you are not comfortable with.... which is normal for most men... like you don't kiss guys even when you are little, but women have a different take on that, we kiss each other and are very much more socially liberal than men are... it's what you guys think is so sexy about girl on girl...lol... it's illy to us because we have been kissing each other since we were two...lol...

I think that's what women will do when they begin to run things...there will be a lot more laughter and a lots more calling BS just BS... I think they will want trophy husbands just as some of you guys... not you Sam, you sound like a great guy, but some guys still have that trophy wife thing...lol...but I really think women will do a better job when they can be themselves... 3. again the male part of eroticism is penatration.... these girls are just women who have decided that they don't want to be f&*ked any more... All women come to this opinion, it's just when it the question... most older women do not give it up as easily as when they were younger... these women that are causing you distress are just younger women who came to the same conclusion, only earlier in their lives... understand... I'm sure you do... you are a smart one and you'll do well when things continue to change for the better for women in these coming years... a lot of these women just want to live their lives with out leaning on a man... they want to stand on their own two feet...


Sam 3 years ago

@ jeanine

I am not against women having opinions or powere or anything that men have I just sometimes find some of the things they talk about hard to understand but maybe that is because I have Asperger's Syndrome so it is sometimes a little hard for me catch on to things but I really mean no harm. I have heard feminists say and do some hateful things that really scare me and sometimes even make me hate myself just for being male. I do want equality for men and women what I don't want is what women don't want to be hated for my gender.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam~ you've probably seen the really extreme/bad side of feminism. I think any agenda based on the foundation of hate...is wrong. You should be proud to be a man...never apologize for that. It is a duty and responsibility and hopefully you will become or are a gentleman. i see nothing wrong with you trying to understand this topic rather than automatically hate women in general. I am glad you have a questioning mind.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

@ izettl

I have seen the really ugly side of feminism and so I don't have a very high opinion of feminists. Feminists are always saying oh no we don't hate men and we don't discriminate men well I would like to believe that but I can't not after all I have heard of them. Even if there really is no sexism towards men as feminists claim that does not make it any less offensive. I have heard feminists talk about exterminating all or most men and as a man that use to scare me almost to the point of suicide (I don't feel that way anymore now thankfully) if that is what feminism has come to maybe feminism is not worth it.

Equality is not worth dehumanizing other people. (A quote from myself)


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

sam~ your quote is correct. Others shouldn't have to suffer for one's agenda no matter what its based on- sexism, ageism, racism. even blacks sometimes automatically hate white people, but hate is just repeating their own wounds ot their ancestors. Feminists are also not fighting a real fight. They have illusions that everyone is out to get them as with all extremists. I view them as bullies.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Some feminists say that men hate feminism because they want submissive women well maybe some do but it's been my experience that men who hate feminism hate it because they genuinely do believe that it discriminates men which seems to be exactly the case these days. They keep saying things like all men are misogynist suspects and that all men are the same and that we all want the same thing (sex) AGAIN they are making generalisations about men they don't even know they dare say there is no sexism towards men and yet every day they say and do things that if it were about women it would immediately be labeled sexist. That just shows how ignorant women like them are.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam~ there are certain generalizations that can be applied to both sexes. I think men are a little intimidated by strong women and some men are physically driven by their sexual appetite which can give them a bad name, but honestly it is their nature...in their hormones. I think my role in my husband's life is to keep him balanced- blending the physical with the spiritual and emotional and nurturing, etc. Like I've said before, men and women are good to balance each other out.

I think many feminists and even lesbians have been victims...by men. In abuse or mind games. But I hate to sound offensive, I think sometimes women have let themselves fall prey. In an example of my husband's mom, she has been with several married men and she hates men yet she falls victim to the same guys who are bad people.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Thank you izettl. I do feel sorry for the ones who have been abused but some feminists are so extreme (such as separatist feminists) that I feel no sympathy for them at all. I read somewhere that there was this picture of a sailor kissing a nurse and appearently some feminists called the sailor rapist (I don't know if they were joking or serious) and you know what makes it even more stupid the sailor and nurse were not even real THEY WERE DARN STATUES FOR HEAVENS SAKE. Well anyway my aunt, uncle and dad say I am just wasting my intelligence on these women and that I am smarter then that so I need to settle down before I get to mad.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

Why is it women blame men for their mistakes I mean they choose to be with men who beat them and yet they keep falling for the same type of men. In one case this is utterly retarded I mean they whine about no good men to all the guys stuck in the friend zone.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

@Darkproxy

I really don't know but in case you are interested in knowing the was this one feminist who wrote an article about (as if talking about exterminating men was not enough) genetically modifying mens androgen to cure them of their imaginary aillment at the end of her article she just says we can do it with corn so why not with them (men) OH I DON'T KNOW MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE CORN IS A VEGATABLE AND MEN ARE HUMANS!!!! FOR GOD SAKE I SWEAR SOMETIMES I REALLY HATE FEMINISTS.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Darkproxy~ there are so many reasons. People repeat things that are familiar. An abused person psychologically is attracted to abuse in one form or another. Some people don't know what "normal" is or looks like or acts like. It's not retarded it's just the way the mind works. I will bet you every single one of the girls you (may or may not) have watched on a porn have been sexually abused or molested. The mind has not formed yet for kids who have beend abused and they do not know how to properly deal with certain things that have happened to them. If a man molests his daughter for example them the girl has every right to blame him for as long as she wants.

problem is men expect women to think like them and women expect the same for the man to think like them- it's a constant struggle until the hate goes away.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

@Izettl I know a few porn stars by name that are molestation victims, mostly women namely since most molestation victims who are male tend to commit suicide, I don't know how many times I slit my wrists and made a nuse for myself. Do you think that feminism is worht saving as long as it focuses on men? Like why the hell is the military a man's best hope at making a different better life for himself


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hi izettl

Just curious there was this article I found here on the hubpage about patriarchl religions and one of the commentors said this.

I think the underlying course of perpuating partriachy lies with socialization we get from birth starting with agencies such as family,religion,school and state.therefore this must change inorder to achiev da gender equality.

What does that mean I am not really sure do you know.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

@shamowhamo I read about women trying eugenics afgainst men and boys it just proves how calis the feminist movment has become.


jeanine 3 years ago

you seem to be the fringe guys... there are a lot of feminist out here that are not far left but are moderate and they love men... so you have had a bad run... so don't judge all by a few bad apples...


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samowhamo 3 years ago

@jeanine

I will admit that I have met a couple of good feminists but unfortunately I have met more bad ones than good ones. I don't like to judge people as groups but I have not encountered many good feminists and the only side of feminism I have been exposed to is the ugly side. :(


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Darkproxy~ men's best hope is the military and women's tends to be the sex industry. At least there is honor in the military, can't say the same for stripper or porn star.

The Marines saved my husband's life I believe. It gave him confidence and a reason for being as well as substituted honor for shame- he was molested as a boy.

Jeanine ~ Sam~ Defintely can't judge groups by their extreme members. I am proud to be white, but you won't see me joining the KKK any time soon. I don't have THAT kind of white pride that is based on hate for "others". .

Like I've said before, we should not define ourselves by what we hate...rather we should define ourselves by what we love.

I am a strong woman and in no way need to apologize for my gender in general. Men and women equally place hate upon each other and for various reasons- nobody is right nobody is wrong, I am just glad I do not live like that.

As many men as I've been friends with who "play" women for the hell of it, I should hate men, but i know better. I do not judge all men because of them.

I used to have a mentality of "not needing a man" because I fell subject to society's feminist lies. I thought men and relationships were just a distraction to my goals. I did not hate men, I just didn't need them. And when you think about it, not too much of a difference. The latter is just a more socially acceptable version and many women are raised to believe that by boosting ourselves up, we must step on the men to get there. Not true. I have realized that men and women each have value as who they are and yes we do need each other. We were meant to need each other. Together we are stronger.

Like I've said before, feminism today is a political and/or personal agenda. It is more aggressive and has no direction.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hi izettl

I know I can't judge them all I don't like judging people by groups I trully do not. Although I am not reading that stuff anymore the memories still stick with me. Well I am going to get a job soon so maybe that will help me take my mind off of it or maybe I just need to think more about what I enjoy rather than what I dislike. As my parents use to tell me you are your own worst enemy the one who can do the most damage to you is yourself.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam~ well you could always do what I do and either focus on the good ro if you have thoughts you can't ge trid of then write it down. I do that on hubpages. It's my outlet.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

The marines saved me but abused children shouldn't have to survive long enough to be saved they should be rescued immediately


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I absolutely agree. Usually the family fails to do anything for abused little ones. They either ignore it or don't pick up on the signs. Our family shouldn't fail us in the first place


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hi Izettl would you like to read my new article.

http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Feminism-And-Vic...


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey izettl what do you think of gender studies because there was this woman on the internet who asked were all past men abusive oppressors and one woman said yes and another who was a man aso said yes and he said gender studies. The woman who said yes also came up an idea she said feminists I have an idea that could end most rape cases all males will be jailed until they turn 70 they will be escorted by armed guards to have sex with women to continue the human race I think we might have a shot at world peace. The man from earlier agreed with her and said gender studies again and a couple of commentors said why bother letting them have sex with the women just make them masturbate (on a side note her page had a quote on it I don't remember the whole thing or if she was talking about men and women but it said something about the foolish and wicked) and oh no don't let them have sex because the women may not like it and it would still count as rape. I don't know if these women were joking or not I swear I really wish something horrible would happen to these women these women (and the men who agree with them) have no humanity to assign humanity to these people is to give them something they don't deserve.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Hi Sam,

These people sound strange or extremists perhaps. I don't even think that joking around about this is a good idea. I've been there Sam, seriously. I thought women ruled the world and men were no longer needed. It's a lie. Women are growing up like this and being told they don't need a man. It probably began as women who were abused by a man and told their daughters to stay away from men or that men only want one thing (sex) or men were bad. They may have wanted their girls to be safe but it bred a whole lot of damaging lies. Now this is the norm. There are a lot of late life (30+) lesbians and I think a lot of it has to do with hate for men. Sad.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Well hopefully there are a ot more who don't hate men one can hope. I know not all feel that way some of my best friends in high school were lesbian and from my experience most don't hate them they just don't prefer them.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam~ many of the older women who turned lesbian later in life were men haters. High school and the young ones prbably simply prefer girls, but I what the heck do they know being that young. I couldn't make up my mind about anything at that age! I think some of it is experimental too.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

Why are feminists so obsessed on exterminating men


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Darkproxy-I think I may have the answer to that. They want to exterminate men because they genuinely believe the world would be more peacefull without men.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Many people find an enemy and attack. Also society has made it politically incorrect to attack any other protected group. Well (white)men are not a protected group. Men are acting in character- they have a drive and hormones that women don't so they go after things that women sit back and see as rude or demoralizing.

Women are also stuck back in the 50's where women didn't have choices just like (I hate to say this) blacks are stuck back in days of slavery. Neither group will ever forgive or take personal responsibility.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

common sense is lost in the Sea of PC bullshit


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Agreed Darkproxy


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

Izettl what is your opinion on feminist gendercide?


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Well if you want my opinion darkproxy I say those feminists are crazy. They have been driven so mad with hate they are willing to stoop down to the level of Nazi's to ge what they want. I also think they are cowards because they don't have the courage to accept the fact that women can be just as evil as a man can be.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam, I think they feed off of each other and its what field of psychology would refer to as groupthink. This in the past has caused deaths and tragedy within many groups. I'm not sure whether some of these women are being raised like this or they get around a feminist group and get sucked in. Here's the deal, and I'm working on a hub right now about this, some men have behaved badly and all it takes, understandably is a woman who got raped to hate men. We've gone from a society where men typically got what they wanted...society was in their favor and now tables have turned and where does that leave them, we'll some behaving badly. Now...you got feminists who see the only way to keep the pendulum swung in their favor is to keep men down. And I say of course...why can't we all just get along and see that men and women have something to offer each other and society. Minorities, women included, feed off hate. It wouldn't be any better to hate feminists though, hey, they're not ideal but it would be best to counterattack with information that's why I like writing these hubs that get people thinking.

I've seen it before...I used to work in a bar and a group of feminist gay women would frequent. Some women would come in and happen to be talking about their boss(a man) they hate or their boyfriend who cheated and suddenly the feminists are chiming in to the other group of women about how all men are like this, blah blah blah. And then they've converted other s to their feminist group.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Dark proxy,

Well from what I know on gendercide it's usually killing of females. Men still rule in other countries. Lol. I know plenty of feminists who have had male babies so not sure if we'll get to a point where males will be killed off in any form.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Well whenever there is war it's almost always the men who are expected to risk their lives that's how its always been and many of those men were killed in mass numbers.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

All it takes, understandably is a woman who got raped to hate men.

Well fortunately my aunt didn't end up like that she was raped when she was a teenager but she dosent hate men she married my uncle and they are still married today and their love is just as strong as ever. :)


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

Well I do wonder why feminist love gendercide against men as entertainment.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Dark proxy,

Feminist gendercide against man is probably something I would consider sadist or just sick. Especially if they consider it entertaining.

I don't doubt it doesn't exist I just attribute our society as gone wrong both male and female. Equally disturbing is the young men who got on YouTube to post something about raping a young girl at a party. There are some screwed up things on both sides of the spectrum but I fight for young men in the fact that they are losing their way...in a big way.

Sam,

I absolutely believe people can pick their own path even after really bad things happen to them. my husband was molested by a male babysitter and has since been an incredible father to our two kids and a great husband. If a woman has been raped and therefore hates men she has picked the wrong path. But I know so many women like this.

It is a majority of men are those that go to war and a majority of men in society that are being degraded but the type of person the least likely to get help for any problems or issues is men. The old joke about men not asking for directions also applies to men not asking for help even as young boys this begins.


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Darkproxy 3 years ago from Ohio

It is sick but gendercide as entertainment for feminist is a rather long list of work I last checked it was like 15 or so books.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

That is one of the sick things about humans some of us humans draw pleasure from death.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey Izettl I have written an article that you might want to see.

http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Radical-Feminism...


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Interesting Dark Proxy. It's not a far stretch from other countries with killing of girls or female babies. HUman nature can be sick which mostly resides in extreme groups or regimes.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey izettl usually I would ask one of my other followers this but his comments are disabled at the moment. Have you ever heard of Allan Johnson and his book The Gender Knot in it he says that we all contribute to patriarchy in some way and that individual choices we make have more of an effect then we know. This is his definition of patriarchy.

1. Male dominated--which doesn't mean that all men are powerful or all women are powerless--only that the most powerful roles in most sectors of society are held predominantly by men, and the least powerful roles are held predominantly by women

2. Organized around an obsession with control, with men elevated in the social structure because of their presumed ability to exert control (whether rationally or through violence or the threat of violence) and women devalued for their supposed lack of control--women are assumed to need men's supervision, protection, or control

3. Male identified: aspects of society and personal attributes that are highly valued are associated with men, while devalued attributes and social activities are associated with women. There is a sense of threat to the social structure of patriarchies when these gendered associations are destabilized--and the response in patriarchy is to increase the level of control, often by exerting control over women (as well as groups who are devalued by virtue of race, ethnicity, sexuality, or class).

4. Male centered: It is taken for granted that the center of attention is the natural place for men and boys, and that women should occupy the margins. Public attention is focused on men. (To test this, take a look at any daily newspaper; what do you find on the front page about men? about women?)

And also there was this one feminist who proposed that heterosexuals and bisexuals remain celibate until they are less sexually assertive or aggressive or something like that.

How much of this do you think is true


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hi Izettl in addition to my last comment could you please read this article and the one comment in it and tell me what you think i'm not really an expert at this.

http://www.womensviewsonnews.org/2013/02/the-kille...


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey izettl when you have the time could you please read this here at the bottom and tell me how accurate it is I am thinking about writing a hub about violence towards men and women but I am not an expert and I thought you might be a good person to ask.

http://www.womensviewsonnews.org/2013/02/the-kille...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/17/m...


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam, the violence toward women si probably more overt than ever because men are not totally in control and they are throwing a tantrum to exert their control. It also concerns women being more forceful and "taking over" in some ways. Men are happiest being head of household- they make more money and have better health. However, women becoming more independent think they can leave a man at any time and its perfectly acceptable. Society has changed because men are now needed to fill women's roles as they are working outside the home more. Some men are backlashing at the changes. This shift in society is happening and will happen as long as the traditional roles are devalued as stay-at-home moms are (I should know- nobody respects us!).


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Don't I respect you have I ever given you reason not to respect you, you have very helpful to me and a good friend to me and I respect you for that. :)


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam,

Thanks Sam! I respect you too. I probably have felt like an outcast often in my life. I don't mind being viewed as such. Other peoples' opinions of me don't bother me much. I know how to fit into society and be the popular one, but I don't like to only because that's not me- and in real life I have few close good friends and I like it that way. I don't like to be fake or lie to be accepted. I have always enjoyed being a bit different.

Thanks for sticking by me too. I was going to write a hub today but I think I'll do some reading. I haven't read others' hubs in a while.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

In those link that I posted there was this woman who said that she blames this rise in domestic violence in the distorted and stereotypical portrayls of women as mothers or sex objects which I agree with to an extent but I agree with you more that it's changing roles and pressure from society.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey Izettl you should really read this.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/news-updates/r...

Here's a brief description of it.

The Radfems have finally found themselves a conference facility desperate enough for some quick cash that they will even do business with a group of ideologues that want to kill children, practice eugenics and develop plans for mass murder against anyone who happens to be male. MRA London objects.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Izettl I remember you saying that you don't believe men and women are or should be equal. That reminds of a comment that I read on another article about feminism from a woman that maybe you have heard of her screen name is Au Fait. She is a feminist and has a degree in psychology in her comment she said that he talked to men and women around and they all had a negative view on feminism she said saying that they didn't believe men and women are equal. Then she said something about how its a shame how some women are so controlled by men they don't even realize it.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam, the first lesson my parents tried teaching me was life isn't fair, but I didn't learn that lesson until I had my own experiences as an adult. Life isn't fair because none of are the same so its impossible that everyone be treated the same. we all are different and have different opinions. the catch is, no matter what those opinions are, we all deserve to be treated as human beings. slavery wasn't right, but so many other classes of people were mistreated early in our history as well. For that time period, general human rights wasn't even a second thought. Those with mental health illness are still mistreated and not given much of a second thought yet not many advocate for them. its too bad.

As a leader, you must find everyone's strengths and build on those. Why? Because not everyone is equal. I think that's true with men and women. Having a boy and girl, I see immediate differences in what they are good at, practically from birth. I encourage them in those strong points. I think men and women should do this, but feminists think women should and can do everything. I'm a mom of two kids...do I love one more than the other? No way! Seriously...impossible! I love them the same, but because of their differences. It's the differences that make them special to me in unique ways.

Feminists now are fighters and they must create an enemy to fight against instead of men being an ally. In reality, they should be fighting FOR things, not against them. Fight for something constructive or good, not fight against men.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Thank you izettl if you are interested I just wrote an article about the first woman paleontologist.

http://samowhamo.hubpages.com/hub/Mary-Anning-The-...


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Feminists now are fighters and they must create an enemy to fight against instead of men being an ally. In reality, they should be fighting FOR things, not against them. Fight for something constructive or good, not fight against men.

Some feminists want to establish what they call a lesbian utopia. Here are a couple of quotes from those women.

(I personally subscribe to the idea of a lesbian utopia for lesbian/feminist women with little patriarchal male influence.) She said this in response to a book about lesbian domestic violence then she said (I didn't think I could get abused unlike some of my sisters in heterosexual relationships.)

There was this other woman who said lesbian domestic violence does not mean the end of a lesbian utopia we have all grown up in a homophobic society and to establish it we need everyone's help.

I agree that we live in a homophobic society but we don't live in times where homo sexuality is criminalized or treated as a mental illness anymore. And I am not sure a lesbian utopia would work or is even ethical for two reasons one its a biased idea that has been talked about in feminists fiction where men are either wiped out or separated (but in most stories wiped out) and women dominate everything women are free from patriarchy yes but not equal with men because there is no men and two because you would need to come up with a way to reproduce without men that idea has also been talked about by feminists called parthenogenesis where women reproduce without men. The interesting thing about that is that research into that has been done before on both men and women on women feminists were outraged because they feared that the research could make women redundant but with men feminists did not react in any way. In spite of all the hype from feminists its virtually impossible for men and women to reproduce without each other and even if women could reproduce without men it would have to be done genetically and even then it still would be one hundred percent foolproof because if they did reproduce without men the human genome would become dangerously homogenous and women would been wiped out literally from disease (because there immune system would be greatly damaged if not destroyed completely) and from stupidity (intelligence would literally decrease). And that one feminist I mentioned earlier (Au Fait) says most women are none violent and most feminists are not like that well I am sorry to disagree with her but her word is not enough to convince me and I have very good reasons to think that after all of the misandry from feminists these days and that female violence is skyrocketing in some parts of the world based on real reports and study's I have seen.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

About the lesbian utopia for more info on it click here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_utopia


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Well this is so highly unlikely and probably the reason these feminists talk about it because action is not likely. Society has a way of making extreme things coexist in our culture though. I think this lesbian utopia can exist within extreme groups in our society, but never possible on the large scope. As you explain the biological ramifications of this kind of society, it makes it even more impossible. All these people can do is preach and hate. Not unlike KKK- it's seen the last of slave days- they may preach about it or take small time matters into their own hands but diminishing or eliminating blacks will never happen on a large scale so you'll find them ranting and preaching looking like big timers on the Internet or in their groups of comrades.

Women, not violent? I've been in more altercations with women than men and threatened more often by women as well. I prefer to stay away and have most of my friends be men because you never know what ticks off a woman. I can see men's anger coming a mile away...but women...they can be kind of evil in passive aggressive ways as well.


Sam 3 years ago

You know what that proves to me you said that women are becoming more like men well that proves to me that women are becoming more like men in ego as well.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sam~ you've got women trying on the man's pants for the first time and they definitely are taking on some of that ego too. Back in early days of our history, man, especially white man thought everyone was beneath them. Now women are getting the notion that they can do everything themselves and don't need a man, it seems they've forgotten that history and want to act like men of many years ago. It seems strange but xtreme groups puzzle me anyway.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Some feminists even lable all men oppressors even though not all men harm women or even have power to oppress that just shows that men and boys are not human to feminists. After every example of misandry that I have talked about from feminists I can't even pity them anymore I often think that pity on them is a waste of time I try not to let my anger blur my judgment on them but a person can only take so much before they just stop caring about those that bother them.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

A lesbian feminist named Mary Dally who was a theologist who compared patriarchy to a death-preaching force that most women were trapped in and spoke against equality and said women ought to govern men she even believed that women would evolve to reproduce almost entirely without men if life is to survive on this planet (which is impossible parthenogenesis is impossible in most vertebrates and for those animals that can reproduce through parthenogenesis its always the result of a mutation only found in a few fish, amphibians, and reptiles and is completely impossible in mammals). Feminist are horrible at science and they say that these women are not real feminist and are only a minority well they may very well be a minority but if they are not real feminists then why is Mary Dally one of the most famous lesbian feminists some feminists have issues.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Parthenogenesis will never become possible in humans no matter what major evolutionary change in fact the further you evolve the more complex you become (making it more impossible) humans are just to complex to reproduce by parthenogenesis in spite of what some feminists say.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Sounds like those feminists need to take a basic biology class...or write a science fiction book. They get attention by using extremes and sadly gullible followers.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Women, not violent? I've been in more altercations with women than men and threatened more often by women as well. I prefer to stay away and have most of my friends be men because you never know what ticks off a woman. I can see men's anger coming a mile away...but women...they can be kind of evil in passive aggressive ways as well.

I agree absolutely you have more chance of convincing me that the world is going to end in 7 days then you have of convincing me that women are non-violent.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Some feminists even want to reduce the male population to 10 or 20 percent. There was this woman who won Miss America or something like that and she said that she wants to reduce the male population to 20 percent saying that her supporters have had some success in the early stages. She is probably just saying that people like her are all just talk. I am so sick of these radical feminists thinking they can say and do whatever they want without consequence they think they are above the law, rules, morals, ethics, and accountability.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I totally agree Sam. I don't like extreme anything. In fact guys need more support than ever. I want to write something soon about that.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Its interesting how feminsts always focus on bad things men do and never on bad things that women do. Paxton Quigley I think her name is said on an interview once about her book Armed and Female that we never hear about women commiting a massacre well that's not entirely true yes in this country women never have but in some European countries in the early 1900s there were they were syndicates runned by women who would marry men and then kill them they killed enough to count as a massacre. And also there was this boy who was sexually and physically tortured and abused by his own mother she even got his sister in on it. He nearly beat his mother to death and little to no relationship with his sister. These women did all this and radical feminists dare say that women are always victims and men are always oppressors these women were not victims these women were monsters that deserved to be locked up the men were the real victims.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

All these people can do is preach and hate. Not unlike KKK- it's seen the last of slave days- they may preach about it or take small time matters into their own hands but diminishing or eliminating blacks will never happen on a large scale so you'll find them ranting and preaching looking like big timers on the Internet or in their groups of comrades.

Then I guess that includes feminist the ones that want to exterminate men can talk about it all they want but they will never do it. There was this guy on here called XXXDude who said feminism has more power then the president well I doubt they have that much power but whether they do or not makes no real difference do you know how much power you would have to have these days to even attempt something like that probably more then Hitler had back in those days it was easier to do something like that but today its a lot harder nearly impossible.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

There are also some feminist (and some men) who don't believe men can be raped by a woman they say you can't rape the willing and they say what man dosent want to get raped by a woman. Well just because they are men that dosent men they can't be raped or want to be raped that's another reason why I don't much care for femi-nazi's and with feminism the way it is today I think femi-nazi is a very appropriate name for feminists like this.


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lavenderholly 3 years ago from Tejas

"Also making some women feel as though they have been violated when they actually haven't- this stems from a sue-happy society" I would ask for an example of this, please.

"Problem is, women are caught between thinking they must be with the perfect man or not get married because a prince doesn't exist, or settle." You are a married woman, correct? Did you take this stance when you were single? I have never met a woman who actually thought this way, if I'm being perfectly honest with you.

And hey, maybe you should actually start talking to some feminists because the entire premise of the feminist movement is that women should be respected in the choices that dictate their lives: A.K.A., if they want to stay at home, they can.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

lavender holly~

"the entire premise of the feminist movement is that women should be respected in the choices that dictate their lives: A.K.A., if they want to stay at home, they can."

Do you have kids? It's pretty much expected that women go back to work. We've made our lifestyles in this superficial society to require two incomes. I don't understand this women's choice...did children's needs change in the last 50 years. That's super for women to have a choice, but honestly it means less for the child when the woman goes back to work. And as far as I know children do not need less than they did back in the 50's. If women have kids, there shouldn't be much choice- it should be mostly about them at least the first few years when they have an excess of emotional, non material, needs.

More here: http://hubpages.com/family/Dear-Daughter-Heres-Why...

I try to talk to feminists but they usually have ill words towards me cause i'm not jumping on their bandwagon. I don't know one woman who didn't "make a list" of their desirable/ideal man. Even Oprah and some other self help gurus promoted that. I waited a while to get married- into my 30's. I know many women my age (late 30's) still looking for Mr. Right. Another problem is that women today are man enough for themselves. I think I did settle at first, but he's turned out great- it wasn't that way in the beginning. I just said, 'what the heck' and got married.

Write me when feminists have made progress recently...since the 60's. As a country we are so behind in the amount of time off we get with kids before going back to work- we have a small amount of family friendly work places, and work life expects women to put work first if she has kids. It's already known that women receive less pay and increases/promotions when she has kids. And me, being a stay-at-home, no there is a huge lack of respect for my choice. So if I want to go back to work, I need to act like a man. Again...no women are not respected (as women) either choice. I'm getting the feeling you haven't had to make these choices. You're just preaching.


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lavenderholly 3 years ago from Tejas

" That's super for women to have a choice, but honestly it means less for the child when the woman goes back to work." You cannot criticize other women criticizing YOUR choice when you do exactly the same thing to them, which is indeed what you are doing.

"Write me when feminists have made progress recently...since the 60's." They have. We're fighting for the LGBTQ* community as well as keeping birth control and abortion safe and legal. We're also making sure that women aren't being subjected to other insane laws that Republicans are trying to push.

True, I am only fifteen so I have thankfully not had to make these choices. I'm not claiming that I have, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of some of your claims.

I'm sorry if you'd had any disrespect for your choice, but feminists are fighting so that you don't have to go through that. Feminists fight for the right for abortion, for pay equality, and for gender equality overall. We're not acting like men by insisting that we are treated with equal respect. What on earth is so outlandish about that? If you want women to be respected for either choice then maybe you should respect women who didn't choose the same thing you did.

And if it means anything to you, my mother is a stay-at-home mom and I respect and love her more than anybody else.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Thanks so much Walt!


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

lavender holly~ I think you're missing my point. This isn't a man versus woman issue. It's really about the kids. I hear no mention of what is best for the kids. It isn't my choice- after having kids, it was their choice. Even as a baby, I knew putting my child in daycare wasn't the best for her- it was no longer about ME after I had kids.

You gave me all political examples of feminist progress- I told you they are only making waves politically. the economy is suffering and you guys vote democrat for human rights issues. First things first, lets take care of the economy and our ratings in innovation and education before we take on gay marriage. Women have kids right? Well kids go to school and our schools and education ranking suck! There's a good feminist cause, but you won't see them getting involved there- those are republican concerns.

I don't want to be equal to men- I want to celebrate being a woman. I hated feeling like a man in the workforce. Until I stayed home I never realized how masculine I got while being a career woman.

My other point is I'm not persecuting women who chose to go back to work- I'm just going from experience that it felt expected. Just going with society...to go back to work. Society puts pressure on us to maintain a lifestyle above our means and we get into the trap of feeling like we have to work- it is simply a choice of your kids or work. I don't disrespect the women who choose work, I just think they're misguided by the "if we have the right then we should" mentality. I don't know one single feminist who fights for stay-at-home women- it's all for working women. They perpetuate the myth of having it all. One day if you have children, you will know how hard and unnatural it is to leave them with strangers at a daycare. It just shouldn't be like that. I believe we need to trust our gut and realize the right to go back to work blocks out our instinct to want to stay home. Staying at home is a non-legit profession. We work so hard with little respect. I'm glad you respect your mom, but not many others in general will.

I knew you were young- I read your profile and you are very smart, but experience will make you wiser one day. Pay attention and learn from others who have experience that you don't. There is nothing natural in a woman's biology to leave her baby. The working moms I know joke about how they're not that good of a mother or they didn't like the way motherhood turned out. They should be at work but I can't respect them as mothers.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey izettl out of curiosity those separatist feminists I have mentioned before there was this one who said feminists don't understand separatism not even other radicals. Would you say that's just manipulation they are using to try to lend credability to what they say some of them even say boys are indoctrined at birth and their mothers influence will never be greater then their peers which I think is not true I mean there their mothers whos influence could possibly be greater.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

samowhampo~ separatist is a word others call them mostly. They probably are blind to it perhaps. That's why they're radicals. They have one strong/extreme viewpoint. I would guess they have this viewpoint so strong in them that they would not recognize it as irrational. It's like a cult following.

Thanks Walt Kienia!


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Thank you izettl oh if you are interested there are some new hubs that I have written and published if you are interested.


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samowhamo 3 years ago

Hey izettl just out of curiosity your hompage says you have a degree in psychology well I was wondering if you can answer me this. There was this lesbian feminist who said that when a mother breast feeds a female baby she has an orgasmic reaction. Personally I think that's disgusting but even if that were true wouldn't a mother also react the same way to a male baby breast feeding. What is your answer.


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aliasis 3 years ago from United States

I honestly think you are dead wrong about feminism, with all due respect. The problem is not feminism or feminists, it's the media perception of feminists that portrays feminism as man-hating extremists. Those people don't exist in real life, or if they do, they don't represent the average woman. Feminism means that we recognize that women still face a lot of sexism today, and strict gender roles harm both men and women, and that we need to work together to make a positive change. I think it's often men who get defensive and claim that women hate them and are trying to "beat" them, when in reality, we just want equality and safety, and we simply do not have that today, not even in America.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

samowhamo- sounds like another extremist. I breast fed my daughter and son and nothing like that ever happened. Not to say it can't but psychologically for women, orgasm largely includes the brain so if this gives the mother pleasure to that extreme, then I suppose it's possible. Why it would give her that type of pleasure, I don't know. One thing I learned in psychology is that there are an infinite amount of personalities and mental illness and you can't possibly fit all strange things into a mental illness category. My question would be if the mother was trying to have an orgasm or if it just randomly happened. If it's purposeful or desirable..that's a little strange.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

aliasis,

Well then the women who claim to be feminists that I've met just happen to be extremists. I acknowledge that many other countries have a long way to go and yes, they do need a feminist movement because their situations are extreme. However, I don't think America is in this predicament. Yes racism exists, sexism exists, but these people and circumstances will not change- these are the outliers who are not the typical and will not change for any feminist movement. There will always be these type of people. The typical every day feminist I know wants equality (as you stated) and wants to prove to be able to anything a man can. Well, this is illogical. Women are not men and we've gone in the direction (aside from media's portrayal of feminists) of perhaps not hating men but acting like them instead. I'm not sure why we have to act more like men to be acknowledged as women. And that is typical. It seems to closer feminists work to equality, the more women act like men- so yes, I suppose we will be equal one day. What a shame and the lovely and feminine typical woman will be something of the past.

I;m going to guess you are young because I thought this way when I was in my teens and 20's- it wasn't' until I had kids and got married that I realized men are beautiful as men and women are so much better at typical female roles (if you think of the past). We are better nurturers but we aren't nurturing that talent anymore- we are trying to be more like men. It's too bad.

Many fmeinists were in an uproar about Gabrielle Reece's book -My Foot is too Big for The Glass Slipper. Great book and I couldn't agree with her more. We can still be strong and successful women but serving our family and making a marriage work with a man is also something we are good at. Our society no longer values those things, but they are intrinsically valuable for a woman.

As long as men are bigger or physically stronger than women, women will get beat up. But I've known many more small men to get beat up by larger men than I've known a woman to get beat up...in general. Also, I've known more women who beat their men than men who've beaten their women. Just sayin...personally.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

aliasis,

One more note on this...women, even the original feminists, which I have respect for, have grown to believe that what makes a man feel good and accomplished is what makes us feel good too. There was nothing wrong for a woman to feel accomplished for having raised happy and healthy children. But we bought into the man's world logic of having accomplished a career and good earning potential. This is OK for men- it's what makes many feel good...and feel like a man. It is important to them. Women have now sacrificed raising their own children to have a career and feel accomplished so they can have it all. Having it all is impossible- there is a sacrifice to raising children- I gave up my career because you can't do both- even if you wait until your 30's. I did it all according to feminist notions and it failed. However, this would biolifcally work out because they are not able to have children so raising an happy and healthy family at home isn't necessarily what they're cut out for. Of course there are exceptions- like the woman who is meant for a career life or the man who is best to raise the kids, but this isn't meant for all so when feminists mention they want equality for all women, they are actually grouping ALL women into their agenda or their preferences.

Also- in real life, not media, I don't know one feminist who didn't vote for Obama. So yes feminism is all about a political agenda even to the detriment of our country. Obama is not the best person to lead our country out of economical ruin, terrorism or unemployment, but he is a good human rights leader and that's seem to be most important to feminists- screw the country as a whole, let's just push our small agenda. And it is small compared to other threats to our country.


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needing-advice 3 years ago

Thank you for writing this - whenever I hear the word feminist I think of an angry woman who either wishes she was a man or hates men in general. Women should be women but that doesn't mean women should live within predetermined formats. As the roles of women in society are diversifying from being CEO's, entrepreneurs, mommies and breadwinners, I have to ask myself if females in general haven't already attained an equal status level. I agree with you that we should thank feminists to get women at the level they are now.


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izettl 3 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

Thanks needing-advice.


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Elefanza 2 years ago from Somewhere in My Brain

Excellent article! I think like all ideas/philosophies, there are many flaws in feminism just as there are flaws in people. I do think that the push to get women into the work force and the deep disrespect for stay at home moms is ridiculous. How can shaping and instilling the future of the next generation be bad? Yet I do remember the conversation swinging the other way. My mom would tell me story after story of how she was looked down on because she worked. And when my dad died, she never had the choice to not work. So I saw first hand how hard it is for single parents. She did everything.

I've been delving into history lately and noted that when we started moving to a more industrial society and men started bringing more of the bacon home, it was associated with more respect and prestige. I think initially feminism tried to correct that imbalance by telling women they were worthy of respect and capable of entering the work force. I just think that respect became synonymous with work and doing things that men do. Yet I've noticed that whenever women enter a certain profession in numbers, men start to leave or find the profession disrespectful. And though I disagree with feminist's push to be a certain way because I don't think it addresses the whole enchilada, it's hard not to see that there is still work to be done.

Don't know if you've read Gillian Flynn's Gone Girl, but there is this really interesting passage in which the main character talks about what society said should be the cool girl: basically, the girl who isn't needy, into whatever the guy is into, is a size six and yet eats manly foods and all this other stuff. And I do feel that that is the societal message that the character sees is one I've definitely felt time after time. Whenever I'm with my husband's friends, if I want to go against him in any way, it's like i''m branded a bitch or the party pooper. But it's not that way if he disagrees with me.

Sometimes, I wish feminism would teach girls how to handle inequality in relationships because it seems that men always have the upper hand. And while I do see myself staying at home when I have kids, I hate the thought that this means I'm in a more vulnerable state financially. And that's what scares me: the dependency. Should anything happen, what them? I wonder if the over thrust of this message feminist tells comes from observing a narrative of women being unable to fight back against the helpless states that they found themselves in over and over again. At least now, as self-absorbed as this society is, women have more fields they can enter than in the 1960s when jobs were limited to being a secretary and a teacher.


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izettl 2 years ago from The Great Northwest Author

I think it boils down to choices. Feminists fought for one choice and that seems backwards to me. Because now there are working women who don't feel they have a choice. Both choices should have been celebrated. It seems more geared toward being like men or being able to do what they do. I don't see men fighting to be able to have babies or rear children. It's not natural for most.

Yes, women have more career choices, but usually end up with the children most of the time after a divorce and struggle no matter what field they are in because short on time and most of the financial burden still lies upon them. Since they have the children, they have limited ability to put in the extra effort needed and sacrifice needed to be promoted. We have to face we can't do it all and shouldn't be expected to do it all. I think feminists put more upon us and to whom more responsibility is given, more is expected from them.

I haven't read Gone Girl but have heard about it.

Bottom line is what men do is valued in this society, nothing a feminist did changed that so our only choice was to compete or be like men instead of valuing what women do. Raising children has never been glamorous yet being a CEO of a fortune 500 company, now that's deemed glamorous.


Sanxuary 2 years ago

I think equality was meant to always exist. Even reading the Bible I did not find anything but equality, it even said that they were one in the same and equal in the creation story. People created their own social norms and used the words in whatever context they wanted it to mean. Still I believe that doubling the work force only lowered wages and now we are even more dependent on having everyone work to make ends meet. This has nothing to do with equality and has everything to do with keeping a large percentage of the people as poor as possible. If they raised the cost of living things would simply cost more. We are locked into a financial Ponzi scheme and the game of life is simply rigged. Give as much money as possible to the wealthy and take from everyone else by any means. Job or no job, less then two hundred years ago just about everyone worked or they starved to death. Most of that time had something to do with agriculture and it took the whole family to get most of it done.


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limpet 2 years ago from London England

Maybe if we made the term 'Feminist' obsolent and replaced such with 'Gender issues' as the stages to equality have deveoped from emancipation, franchisement, women in the war effort, women's liberation and the various new waves of Feminism up to now. Jouralist Germaine Greer in one of her more recent articles asserts that we still have sexual objectification and tokenism to beat yet.


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FirstStepsFitness 2 years ago

Great Hub , very well written Izettl . In my opinion men and women are equal , our differences should be celebrated not combined somehow . Women shouldn't strive to be just like men , we should strive to be the best version of ourselves .


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limpet 2 years ago from London England

Profound apologies for the spelling errors in my previous posting as i am very hard on myself over such silly mistakes. I shouldn't have described Germaine Greer as a journalist although Doctor Greer has a weekly column in a London tabloid. In her varied career Ms Greer has achieved many remarkable milestones in several categories most notably Women's Liberation. Hurrah for Germaine Greer, good on you Gal!!!


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limpet 23 months ago from London England

Actually, Germaine Greer is a retired lecturer in English Literature specialising in the Shakespearian works. Among Professor Greer's other skills are being an author, social commentator and women's advocate. Professor Greer did report on the aftermath of the Bangla Desh civil war in 1971 from within that country.


SanXuary 15 months ago

If I had it to do all over again I would have convinced myself that I do not need women. I could have saved a ton of money, never been divorced. Would have never been screwed by a criminal court system that hates men worst then any feminist. Men have no rights in this country and every man would be better off if they stayed a way from women. I do not think its women but a system in need of a huge correction. I do not think that any thing is going to make it better so I cheer on the apocalypse. I hope it comes today.


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limpet 15 months ago from London England

In this morning's press there was a one paragraph article detailing a woman taking a man to court on a sex discrimination case citing her firing from his firm and eviction from an apartment he owned. She was awarded by a New York court a staggering $2.7 million despite him cheating on his wife, she was cheating on her boyfriend at the same time.


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izettl 15 months ago from The Great Northwest Author

limpet,

yes everybody suing everybody now. I've written on the Demise of Guys. It will all be an unbalanced society if we keep giving precedence to minority groups. We need to take the focus off human rights for a minute and put it on bigger issues that face the whole country. Security and national debt is bigger than same-sex marriage for instance.


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limpet 6 months ago from London England

Re visiting this site again and 'going over' my own postings, i still stand by my comments however i have decided to become a recluse and distance myself from mainstream society. I still have to be polite to every one and assist those in need of help. But one thing than is very difficult to get used to is not having a rapport with women. Okay! It is easy to avoid girls and younger women, they don't want to be accosted by older males in public which i accept is their right. Without being able to interact with a Lady, then a man is a loser. So i maintain a very small circle of feminine aquaintenses who i can talk to, tell them my hopes and aspirations. In return i try to make them laugh and this boosts my self esteem.


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limpet 2 months ago from London England

Sometimes when interacting with the opposite gender for purpose of amity there is the danger of one or two things. Firstly for reasons known only to herself, she may wish to hurt thence being able to 'get off' on the male baiting syndrome. There is also the rapport starting to look like a relationship and she has to distance herself due to reputation issues.


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limpet 2 months ago from London England

Happened to me again. Ignored my presence at first, then when i looked elsewhere she began to make loud banging noises in order for me to notice her again.


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limpet 2 months ago from London England

I think i've met more women who never discuss Feminism (don't need it?) than an occassional 'point scoring' remark. The woman that are into Feminism i've managed to keep my distance from.

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